 Hey everybody, welcome to Lynxcast. I'm your host Matt. I'm joined by Tyler. How you doing Tyler? How was doing good? And we took a week off It's been so long. It's been like two whole weeks. How was your holiday? Did you have a good holiday? I did I had a lot of fun on July 4th, and I Got to see some friends that well, I do see them like Semi-often but I got to see see them all again, which was great. It was all around just a great holiday How about you? Cool. You know, I stayed home. I watched fireworks on television Yeah, that's what it's all about. It turns out I'm like 90 years old, but After a certain point I mean I can understand going to see fireworks if you have like children or whatever But for me personally, I would much rather watch them on TV where I'm not out in the mosquitoes I don't have to breathe in the smoke and There's a lazy boy in the in the living room. I can sit there I don't have to I don't have to sit on the hood and I worry about if I'm denting the hood or if I You know, I don't have to worry about pulling out a lawn chair that I you know is gonna be completely uncomfortable So yeah, I watched on TV. We watched the PBS and we watched the Macy ones. It was it was good Do you not live in a subdivision? No, we live out in the fucking boondocks Okay, yeah, like there's farms and cows and shit You know, I live out the boondocks, but it's like we're in a subdivision like like in the we're in a super small town ridiculously small town and We live in like one of the main subdivisions the amount of people shooting off fire like We had like 17 families all around us all shooting off fireworks It's like couldn't you have all pitched in and just done one fireworks show for the entire neighborhood? See so we live we live in when it's a Town of about 3,000 people, but we live outside of that. So we don't have I probably just doxed myself You don't know what state it's okay, there's a tons of But anyways, all you have to lose look up one that has population of 3,000. All right I Mean if I if I gave away the name of my town, there's no way somebody couldn't find it. It'd be too easy There's only one town named what I like the town that I live in. Okay. Yeah, we don't I probably have to be about my town Just go ahead dox yourself there could be nothing bad that happens for Matt All right, all right Let me tell you a story when I first started the channel Somebody asked for my dot files. So it's like you want fine I'll upload my dot files like the whole dot config file right up to get up And I was like, oh, there's nothing could possibly go wrong. But did you know like I love bit warden, but bit warden shares It has a file in dot config that has all of their like API keys and stuff like that in plain fucking text in Dot config. Yeah, it's where they are And I had no clue until somebody signed into my like Google account with my Google password Yeah, so I ended up having to go through and change all the API keys get that fucking thing off and It's truly dumb. I don't it's So don't don't upload your whole dot config file up to good help because there's shit in there that You know, you definitely don't want to share I am pretty sure I've solved the problem though, but that's definitely not something you want to do And I don't understand why get our bit warden would save that stuff like that I mean, I don't even know really I mean those two events could have been unconnected because I mean I don't know if those numbers in there were actually anything that they could have used but It just was a big fucking coincidence that I shared that on github and then a few days later, you know shit started getting stolen. I Yeah, anyway, so What did you do on Linux? This is gonna be the whole show. We're it's gonna be six o'clock tonight We still won't have gotten to the main topic because I swear to God neither Tyler I even know what the fucking main topic is Like we don't know as soon as you said that I'm like shit. I really don't know I'm gonna have to go look cuz I really I'm pretty sure has something to do with using windows. I Wouldn't be surprised So the main topic for today is would you use windows willingly if it was false, so that's the that's the main topic But yes, that's a good topic. It is a good topic sings how you're using windows right now So what I've been doing on this is Ridiculous I have been switching around like crazy. I made a video talking about the fact that I was talked into trying Jin to again And then I got really upset because after Jin to just I I ch rooted into my install and then my make.com files for Doing everything just gone and then I remade it and still it was like I didn't have a make.com file So I was like, okay, whatever try Debian Debian's all their download links just wouldn't function on any computer inside of my house And on my 4g phone So like it was definitely Debian site was just like the download links weren't working for some reason it was fixed Shortly after that everybody was telling me like hey, it's fixed, but Anywho then I went back to arch Started having problems on arch where like I installed the new Linux kernel and all my issues with my graphics card crashing and the audio Device like the internal audio device not being detected that got solved and then the problems just creep back up the next day So then I decided all right. Well Debian's links are working I'm gonna try Debian and just see if I can Like you use a tool on Debian and just I'll pull down the mainline kernel and just try it on Debian Maybe that'll change something Heck, I'll just try it. I didn't fix anything. And so now I am reluctantly using Windows Just just to be able to get stuff done for right now. I don't know what I'm gonna do I might I might even go crazy again and try another gen 2 install But I really have no idea what I'm gonna do with Linux for the next week No idea Well, I feel your pain We all know how my experience with gen 2 went. I have no clue what's going on with with Debian When you made that video, I tried it and we're working for me So it's possible just at that point their website was down or something who knows I For for me This last week in terms of Linux. I've also been all over the place, but I haven't distro hopped so I should be happy I actually went through and rewrist DWM. So I've now on a purple black and white theme and where I was I'm not completely done with I'm gonna finish it Sunday night on the stream, but Yeah, it looks nice. I I think I Think given what you were talking about with your your problems with discord that the problems that I was having with Discord yesterday are a discord problem and not a distribution problem Which I'm so thankful for because that means I don't have to go hop to another distro So that just means that discord has is having some problems and like I said, that's good I mean not good the discourse. It just means that I Don't have to worry about my computer exploding, which is good So Like I said, I've raced DWM. I've also been working on making them better for writing I haven't made a lot of progress on that yet I've been mostly doing some research in terms of findings and plugins that will do good because I want to so For living I write historical papers and stuff like that So I want to move away from you having to use Google Docs and using Libre office to being able to use them And I know a lot of people have pointed me towards like law techs and all that kind of stuff But I don't really care about the formatting stuff I actually want to be able to brighten them and make it look easy But them has always had like the weirdest ass text wrapping ever So I'm trying to figure out how I can go through and fix that so that because it's not Great like I don't want when you get to an end of a line. I don't want to you know, it's like split the word I want to actually move the word to the next line You know instead of splitting the word midway or whatever and it looks dumb And it could be worse. It could be like nano and nano nano doesn't Have wrapping at all it just continues on forever and ever and ever ever like I mean you can turn wrapping on a nano But why would you I mean just use them So yeah, those are the two things I've been having I've been doing I've also been Floating in and out of the other window manager because like I talked about last time when I installed this version of Arco I went through and installed like all the window managers like I have all of them installed and I just been flopping it like I wanted to X-mone it again. I got my rice set up back in there I immediately left X-mone head because I realized how terrible X-mone it is I've got into Q tile and Herb sloth and I was trying out Spectre WM for the first time. That's really good and Another thing I've noticed Here's a free piece of advice for everybody if you're not going to use KD plasma Don't install KD plasma. Okay, because KDE and I mean I love I love KD to death It's just it's a fantastic desktop environment, but it installs so much shit I mean if I open all right, so I'm gonna you can't we won't be able to see this Tyler Bob I'm gonna show everybody else if you open up Rofi on my computer and type in the letter K You could go on for pages and pages and pages of like Just seeing all the shit that KDE install So I'm gonna read some of this shit. Let's see K address book Kajang K alarm K algebra K algebra mobile Calcium whatever the fuck that that's periodic table of elements Komoso Kana Graham Catman that's Pac-Man clone K app template Kate Katomik K back up K back black box K K blocks That's just one page. It's with one page on Rofi. It's it's the dumbest thing Ever so what I'm what I am hearing is that KDE is not bloated whatsoever No, no, no, no, so ever like And that's just I mean I understand this probably The Arco because I installed it from the Arco and install that right so our Arco Linux probably just has all the stuff installed for people who want to use You know plasma and that's perfectly fine. Thanks. Like I said plasma is a great That's not my favorite But don't install it unless you're gonna use it because I have no intentions of actually using I just installed it because you know Every once in a while, I'll think about you know, let's go have some fun in plasma But that's not a great use case for plasma when it also installs a thousand packages on your system Yeah, that was gonna be my next question is do you even know how many packages are on your system almost three thousand Holy, yeah, I think I think that's what it was. Oh No, excuse me. It's just over two thousand twenty one nineteen Still yeah, it's still it's a lot. No, no, you got to remember I Sorry, I listed these out last week, but I have a awesome Herbstluff Specter Q-Tile BSPWM DWM XFC plasma X-Monad Open box. I'm pretty sure there's one or two others. Those are all the ones I have installed So for if you take that into account two thousand isn't all that bad Yeah, especially considering that includes all of the actual programs and dependencies that you need for everything to use on Yeah, yeah, and so I don't know it's not If I were to go through it and Reinstall I would definitely I'd install the window managers again because I like going back, you know switching between those But I would not install plasma just because it's not one that I'm ever going to use all that much So that was that was a mistake, but other than that. I don't know. It's a It's one of the things like it's not as if it hurts anything It's just that when I try to search for something that like in Rofi that starts with a K that's not a plasma thing like and then I had to go through all these k abs so dumb like first of all plasma I understand the whole K thing was like a It was a thing back in the you know, 2000s when you first started out or to the 1990s when you first start out It's old. Okay. We need some new names It's dumb, okay, so What are we we're 16 minutes in? Getting that believe it or not last week. It was like what 30 minutes in before we got to the contact information So we're doing good we're doing good All right, if you want to get in contact with us you can do so at the Linux cast on Twitter You can subscribe to me you can subscribe to me you can subscribe to all the audio stuff at the linuxcast.org I I continued to promise that eventually that will be a website. It still is not At this point Just assume that that's an empty broken promise. It'll eventually happen, but it's not going to happen anytime soon Uh, you can contact us via email at email at the linuxcast.org. I did do that So that's something that i'm going to hang my head on for quite a while like a you fuckers wanted a website I got you an email. Isn't that enough? It's so dumb. Anyways, you can support me on patreon at patreon.com slash linuxcast. You can subscribe to Tyler's channel. He's official zany on odyssey and zany on youtube the links will be in the video description below You can subscribe to the linuxcast on youtube at youtube.com slash linuxcast. We just went over 3,300 subscribers, which is It's awesome. I ever thought I'd ask I guess it's The last three days have actually been the best I've had on the channel. They were organic not dt related Um, so those are I was really impressed because I did the the the audacity video did really well And the the windows 11 video did really well So, um, I'm I'm really happy. That's awesome. Yeah, I was really happy the way the channel's going And I continued to be shocked any watches anyone watches this shit. I mean I mean, thank you for watching. We really do appreciate it. Um I mean you make good videos dude. I gotta be honest. You do you do I'm glad everybody else thinks though because I think that they're all crap now now that um one that I did, um Yesterday on support linux supporting the noobs I really liked that because I didn't have to edit that hardly at all because I don't think I said the word um a single time That's something I have to I'm trying to work on and get good at I I'm not even focusing on it like even if I make it like a mental note throughout like throughout trying to record Don't do that. I it it's hard. I took I took a class actually when I started the channel because I wanted to because I have a lot of filler I have filler at words that I use all the time So um is one of them, you know is when I'm like, what am I a 14 year old girl like, you know, you know, like, you know I swear to god, I use you know all the time. It's so dumb There's a few other ones that I just They're filler words, right? So the way they teach you to do it is to learn to replace those filler words Because basically those words are for you because you're trying to think of what to say next, right? So what they try to train you to do is just to stop talking Like when you when you don't know what to say something you just Silence and it's much easier to edit out silence that it is to Unfortunately in the podcast here, I don't edit out any of the ohms In fact, I don't edit the podcast at all. All of them making it sound a little better Everything you hear us say other than the pre-show, which we don't include You actually hear so You get the swear word that one. I think it I think it makes it more natural Yeah, it's just like that. It's a discussion, you know, it's not I could I could go through and and do it But then, you know, it's it'd be weird. Anyways, those are the contact information. So every week We choose news links of the week things, whatever We choose one Tyler. What was your news link of the week? For for me, it was a nine to five Linux article about next cloud hub 22 coming out Which it's coming out with a whole bunch of like improvements and new features for like teams Just just making it even and even more fully featured and fully functional System for large teams, which I think is great. But in reading the article Quite a ways down there is they talk about Among the other noteworthy changes one of them is integrated zip file compression Inside of the the next cloud, you know file manager, which I think that that one is I was looking at that. I'm like, that's really like for me. That will actually be handy to have I do use next cloud and so Being able to just manage my zip files not not even having to Extract them or decompress them when I get them down to my machine is That's pretty nice or just compress them in the in the cloud just because that's it's pretty neat Um, next cloud is one of those things that I look at and think you want matt. You should definitely use that Um, but but like the linux cast website. That's probably never gonna happen either Like I had I went and got I signed up for the note and have like the hundred dollar credit you get for like two months or whatever um I've done nothing with it. Like I was gonna use it for the website. I was gonna try next cloud Um, I've just been astonishingly lazy since the like three three or four weeks ago when I started having linux problems You know, I haven't been interested in doing anything new It was very hard for me this week to find an app of the week because I haven't tried anything new other than I'm like I've done I had five new apps for the the monthly Top five apps thing that I do every month. I have those and I want to use one of those But other than that, I haven't tried anything new. So this next call thing is definitely gonna be something That I want to look in because every time somebody talks about next call is like You know, they have an office suite. They do email. They have chat. They have all this, you know file Stuff like It sounds really cool. It sounds like something I should definitely try out, but I never, you know, actually do Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where it is good, but I mean I'm glad you said it like when you're having troubles Um, the last thing that you're gonna do is try something new or just fiddle around with something You just want to get stuff to work. Like that's really all it is This thing is I was going to it was like one problem right after another and I'm at the point where I think I got things running right now. So I'm bay being my computer, right? It's like you fall down you hurt your knee and you're you know, you've gone through the healing process You're really careful there for a while because you don't want to have to go through that shit again Um, so then that's where I am at right now. Like Granted, I was still a dumbass and installed all these window managers. So I mean, I can't really say how is that I All right. Um, yeah, so this looks really really interesting. I'm definitely gonna have to check that because it next color just seems to Keep getting better. All right. So my App of the week and I don't know if you had a chance to take a look at this video, but um, so For those of you guys don't know Ubuntu 21 20 Was it 12? It was 2010 No, it was 21.04. Okay. So 21.04 came out around the same time. Good. I'm 40 did and For that reason Ubuntu didn't go through and actually implement anything from good on 40 other than like a few applications and We were all kind of waiting trying to figure out Exactly how Ubuntu was going to implement any of the stuff that good on 40 did because good on 40 It has a significant change in terms of UI Then previous versions, you know, and it turns out ubuntu's not gonna do anything Like this video The link will be for all this stuff in the video description But if you want to see omg ubuntu has a video of gunon 40 Running in ubuntu 21.10, which comes out this fall and basically what it is is ubuntu with uh the uh multitasking of gunon 40, that's It see when I was talking about 21.10 in a video I made earlier A couple months ago now I said something like too long all along the lines of I really hope ubuntu takes this opportunity for a visual refresh something that looks different uh because ubuntu has looked the same since Unity was released that looks exactly the same and they put some new quotes paying on it But it's the same format and layout they've they've had for at least 15 years 10 years Whatever a long time So I was really hoping that they'd now I understand every time I say something like I really hope a major distribution would make a major change somebody in the comments gonna be like You just want change for change sake like That's true. Yes. I I like change I like it when people put effort into stuff and like I'm not saying that ubuntu doesn't put effort into ubuntu I'm sure they do and and new ubuntu is great. It's gotten better the they've they've made no musible, you know But I would just like to see them do something Yeah, and I I think you're 100 right and I don't think it's accurate to say you want change for change of sake It's okay to want change after like seven years It it's okay like you know, it's good to have something be the same for a period of time But there there comes a point especially when it comes to ui and exact like how stuff looks It's not good to just Ignore an update because it it's okay like that that's the whole reason like that people are complaining So much around audacity and it's buyout. It's Even more than all the other stuff that's going on with it. It's a Everyone just wants a ui update. Why? Why are we getting other changes than what everyone has agreed? Audacity need like there's so many different ui programs and just things Not necessarily false community, but in general that just get ignored when it comes to their ui They improve it functionality wise, but ui stays the same well, it's like I mean, you can really name the ones that are have been stayed the same for the longest time so like Yeah, you named audacity. I'll be ubuntu. Libre offices. They isn't the exact same time I mean I made it like I made a video about that like two or three weeks ago and in the comments that I was like Why do you want this to change? It works, you know, like that, you know, that's true and my argument with livery office was It's not that I want them to change radically. I just want them to show interest in the project You know the way At least we're livery office. It makes it seem that they are resting on their laurels It makes it seem like they're so interested in maintaining the status quo That it still looks and feels and works the same as it did 15 years ago and stability and you know just being able to work and do what it needs to do is perfectly fine But At a certain point it makes you Makes people feel like the developers aren't actually interested in you know In the project at all now I don't think that that's the case with ubuntu ubuntu has made a lot of other changes over the years You know in the last few years that show that they're perfectly interested in ubuntu I don't even think that we need in terms of A ui refresh a complete revamp just Some new features that would make it stand out just a little bit more from where it was, you know A few years ago like uh the ability to I revamp the setting so like Uh Papa west has gone through and and put in A lot of the gunam tweak stuff Into their settings app like they've taken a lot of the gunam tweak stuff that you'd have to use In gunam tweaks and put it in their settings app that mostly theming and stuff like that. It's Great, right? It's exactly what it should be Uh, yep, why don't I mean ubuntu has worked on that a little bit like they've Added the ability to change the dark and light theme in the theme go through and revamp the themes or the setting Uh application so that you can do more in terms of customization Move it's obvious. It's obvious that they're not going to follow gunam In terms of actually a full ui refresh and and actually going through and just stealing out pieces of gunam 40 Makes you look lazy, you know exactly. Yes, like let's let's just just take these little pieces out or whatever and and Put them on our car and see, you know, it's like it's like it's like rolling around in 1997 Chevrolet Beretta with spinners and you know, you know, it's Just you know, it's obviously like I said, it's obvious ubuntu does not want to follow gunam. So go do your own thing you have gunam You obviously don't care for what gunam is doing Find ways of distancing yourself and making yourself your own desktop environment because you want I didn't care for unity, but I never had to complain about unity because it felt like it was theirs. You know what I mean? Yeah, it was unique. Yeah, it was yeah, exactly. It was unique. Uh, this just feels like they're uh, Slowly, I mean they chose gunam and then they've tried desperately to just maintain what unity looked like and But there's like integrating some gunam features. It's very it's a very weird fractured, you know way Even though I know this is not true But the perception is that they're lazy like and I know that's not true But it is it seems like laziness because they like well, we take a foundation and like Especially from the picture that I'm seeing here It just seems like all they do is remove the new bits to maintain the old look Or at least a similar old look, you know, they I mean, yeah, it does look different, but it's Like it's only because it's gunam 40. Yeah, I haven't used ubuntu 21 to 10 yet I guess they have the daily downloads or whatever. I haven't I haven't tried I'm gonna wait till the beta to do anything like a video or anything But it just feels from the video that I watched and I showed this on stream just a minute ago um It just looks like they've tacked it on right it feel Multi-tasking and the window and workspace and stuff feels tacked on and honestly that just it just doesn't feel Great and like I said, I haven't used it yet. So I'm very much judging this based on a youtube video And you know, but so I will wait for a final judgment until I actually try it But like I said from that video the multitasking stuff feels tacked on and that just makes me feel Not so good about ubuntu just because If you really didn't want that kind of stuff to the point where you just you know, you guys wanted this here have it You know do your own thing, you know maintain the The way the task switcher was before or come up with something different do something I don't know We bitched about gnom for an hour and a half last time. So we really don't need to continue to to bitch about gnom Uh, that doesn't serve You know, that doesn't need to be the thing that we do that we become known for but um still I know like Ubuntu is good. It's it's it's a good distribution And you know, if anybody came up to me and say, hey, what next distribution should I use? There's a 50 50 chance. I'd say, you know ubuntu or papa west, you know, I was like Those are the two that I'd point to And which one do you choose really depends on Whether what your stance is on corporate, you know backing and uh, even then they're and then also mainly like Do you play games because if you play games just install pop? It'll just be easier to just install steam and you know, everything's going to just be set up And better optimized for gaming. So yeah, like I mean yeah Ubuntu and gnom is one of those things where like You can complain but I understand why canonical is not going to jump on the idea of making their own desktop environment again They didn't get a lot of community support or anything when they were doing it. So well That the but all right, I'm going to say this with a lot of love because I don't want to bash the people who use ubuntu but The ubuntu community is very It's not just the buntu community every every linux community and we were all insular in terms of what distro we use We all have the things that we like and we want them to stay the same The buntu community loves the way ubuntu looks they like the color scheme. They like the way that it's laid out And do you want to know it? I'm not an ubuntu user So it's perfectly fine for me to sit here in my chair and say you want that looks ugly. You should change it Um, you know, that's me, you know, exactly. That's your opinion There's a reason why I don't use ubuntu and that's what good is great about linux So if you're an ubuntu user and you like the way ubuntu looks You probably don't think that they need to change at all and you probably think that they're The way they're implementing gum 40 is perfectly fine. You're kind of looking forward to it It's kind of exciting for me. I look at that and see Um, I'm still not going to use ubuntu. You know, it's like the reason why I want them to change is because if they made a change I might go say you want I want to use ubuntu again but you know The way they're going that's not going to change my opinion and that's the reason why I want them to change So it when all said and done it's uh, it's a me problem. So Um, I'm going to continue to use art space distributions probably for a long time Although when I thought discord was freezing and I was having computer problems. I was like, you want it? I'm going to sell debian You started thinking I'll leave it Like every time there's just this little bitty problem that I don't think I'm going to be able to solve I think about distro hopping And I know that's not like that's not the way to use linux Like you really should go through and try to troubleshoot and fix things but Sometimes you just like I don't want to do that. I'm gonna Take it from someone who's hopping between distros. It's never a good idea. Yeah. Yeah Well, and then you just end up using windows Yeah, all right speaking of windows Many topics. Yeah, the main topic for this week is would you use windows as your daily driver? Not being forced to like tyler is but would you choose to use windows if it was open source? Uh, I'm seeing so this was your topic tyler. I'm going to let you go first. What's your answer to this question? um no not and not because I like not because of some philosophical reason, but I just don't trust microsoft Like even if it went fos like I don't trust microsoft at all And it would it would literally take at least four to five people who are like Okay, i'm a data scientist. I got my like I know what i'm doing and I go through code and I've I've all of us have together spend You know the past month going through and it's okay at that point I might try it I probably wouldn't stick on it because I don't trust them to even in that scenario where It's guaranteed had a team of people go over it and there's nothing malicious going on I I don't trust it to stay that way What about you would you use it? Okay, so I think that this is one of the ones where it depends So I'm very much like you I don't trust microsoft and if microsoft saved open source windows But maintain control over it then no because We know what that we know what that looks like it's called chromium Like google owns chromium. It may be open source, but google makes all the decisions in chromium I mean microsoft's a part of the board and they contribute to the project or whatever, but Don't be fooled chromium is a google project. Okay. Uh, it's the same thing with like flutter flutter is open source It's a programming language, right It's and it's been worked on by kamamako and the boys at ubuntu Boys and girls at ubuntu You know, it's uh, you know So but it's still it's a google project. It was started at google They have the vast majority control over that and chromium and every open source that they have same thing android that may be an open source project, but it is A google project so If google stopped developing those projects, I don't think we would see any I mean, yes, there would still be some development on it, but nowhere near the level that it's at now Right. Um, by the way, we said google and my phone decided to say hey, how you doing? By the way, i'm listening Yeah, by the way, i'm listening to everything about but we're open source. It's gonna be good. It's great. You love it, right? It's so it uh, so so my answer is is it depends because if microsoft didn't have Um control over the product which that I mean they would Then maybe I try it out in a virtual machine where they couldn't have access to any of my data, you know I think the So really I guess my answer is no because there's no way they're going to not only open source it but also give Up complete control over it and actually have a community developed at this point windows is what it is It's always going to be microsoft developed Now if they say they started over and said you want to know what we're going to do is work on making wine great You know make it so that every single windows application can run perfectly on linux like as if it was a native application And then what we're going to do is we're going to create our own linux distribution called Windows, you know, I mean it's based on linux kernel. It's just a windows distro with a windows desktop environment on top of it and And then wine running around for any, you know dot exe files that you want to run around That'd be very interesting if windows became linux like actual Linux would just like a like a windows desktop environment on top of it That'd be very interesting even if it was controlled by microsoft And i'm not necessarily saying you know i'm also all of a sudden going to trust microsoft, of course I'm not going to trust microsoft. I don't trust canonical, you know same same, you know I don't trust fret hat open suza. They're they're corporations. They're meant to be making money. So there's always the Whenever you're talking about a corporation, you always have to think, you know, that's their motivation Why are they doing it because you know, what are their motivations behind everything else? All it all ties back to making cash, which is you know, the way it's supposed to work for whatever Uh, so i'm not going to all of a sudden start saying you know, I trust microsoft But if they went through an document the future of windows is a linux distribution That has a perfected wine emulation layer on top of it so you can run your windows applications that'd be Really really enticing and I also think that that'd be really interesting for the rest of the linux ecosystem because Uh, the way linux works is that if you don't want to use windows distribution You or you know microsoft's distribution you could use that emulation layer on you know archer Popper whatever you wanted to do that would also I I think if it became a linux distro that would completely change the way that we Um had to deal with stuff that didn't work You know on linux and then worked on windows because the only reason that they probably don't work on linux is because the stuff To make it work is only made for windows And if it's if windows become or was to become a linux distro Essentially all the drivers everything even if it's proprietary whatever would still be packaged for linux Yeah, I mean it's a nice thing to think about because if microsoft did that then you know like a adobe would go through and you know and say you want Maybe we can start uh developing for For linux because it's you know it'd be better for these applications to be a native thing We don't really want to run in wine. So whatever. I mean they're already working on arm based stuff I mean it's possible that they could do that but um, I think we should make this very clear This is never gonna happen. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, see some people will say there's no reason or there's no way that it could happen It could happen But the problem is is there's no financial incentive whatsoever Like they can at at least now they harvest your data and sell it to other companies That's that is a way they make money on top of you pay them cash And and the the manufacturers of your hardware pay them cash and it's even more than that companies pay them Billions of dollars right so Microsoft doesn't give a jack shit about you and me they care about Every fortune 500 company that uses all their products. That's where they make their money on support and services and selling them licenses And stuff that that's where they make their money And that's the reason why this would never happen, right? There's no way Those corporations would never in a million years go through and change their systems to a completely new operating systems And we know that because Microsoft has tried Over and over again to try to get rid of some of their legacy code by coming out with like s mode and You know windows rt and all this kind I mean they tried over and over again to just try to push people into the future and when I say people I mean companies, you know Companies are the reason why windows xp still has like 10 of the market Yeah, you know windows 7 is like at 40 percent of the market or something like that It's it's done companies don't want to move off from this stuff and uh There's no so there's no chance of them saying Oh look the microsoft has this brand new thing. It's based on linux. Of course. We're going to use it Wait, isn't linux that thing we use on the servers that nobody likes knows how to use just the people we pay You know tens of thousands of dollars each year to actually manage Yeah, I'm not I'm not doing that And in corporations, I mean the way they think about it is is it's not even that it's just new It's how much training are we going to have to do? So Like I I don't know and also some I think there's a lot of people out there who don't really give it enough thought that like even if Windows became false There is absolutely no way that the bad things For for us in windows most people don't care, but the telemetry and all that stuff There's no way it's going to go away. It has to be there that that would be their only way of Financially having any revenue coming from users. See the thing is though I just thought about this if windows became open source software and was licensed under like the gpl Or one of the open source things somebody could fork it And say you want this is windows minus the shit You know now Good point. I mean Like I said, there's another interesting thing. Like if it was open source Somebody could fork it and somebody would fork it, you know, I mean like It would happen so In that scenario It could be possible that we had two different, you know pass for windows one be the microsoft way One would be the open source true open source way where somebody else was in control of that code Um, it'd be very interesting to see how that kind of thing would play out um But I think that's why it'll never happen too is microsoft knows that they know Like they're never gonna give up that control. I mean that's that that's I mean we talked about it. It's all about the money, right? There's no way They're gonna give up a multi billion dollar part of their business I mean, it's not windows isn't as big as it used to be like in terms of making them the money But it's still a multi billion dollar a year business like between licenses and support and all that stuff they're If they went open source with it, they'd be giving that up or risking giving that up and it's just Not going to happen because I mean It's not gonna happen now. I mean it's possible In 1991 or 1992 or whatever whenever bill gates was in his basement coming up with Ways of stealing DOS um You know and making it whatever it is. He made it It's possible for at that point He was an open source guy and said you want I'm gonna open source this to compete with linux and unix or whatever At that point it could have been possible because it would have had to have been at the beginning It's really hard for a project that's been open sourced and it's been or it's been proprietary. I mean for 30 years to go through And become open source especially when that project or that product has been so successful In terms of actually making money and continues to be successful now If in a year or whatever When windows 10 flops because we know it's going to flop because that's just the way microsoft works and it's tick-tock, right? um If like a year from now or whatever nobody uses windows anymore Maybe maybe microsoft open sources it because nobody uses it anymore. I mean it's like it's like those games It's like it's like those games you see That goes like those 90 games or 90s games that were like really really popular and then like 30 years later the developer decides to open source them the reason why is because nobody plays them anymore They don't care anymore. They're not making money on it anymore. No longer matters God that that is the sad truth like the only way that windows becomes open source is by the time that it's irrelevant Right. Nobody uses anymore. Um, yeah, so The main question was would you use windows if it was one first? I I think the answer is it doesn't matter because it's never gonna happen But if it were open source, I still think I mean your answer is no my answer is no um The more I think the more interesting thing to look at is because microsoft has definitely embraced linux more than it used to Right. I mean they got wsl now They've open sourced like the calculator app. I think who they've open sourced the calculator But I mean that's a it feels like a big deal because I've never open sourced anything really before that was part of windows um So it's really interesting to see where their interest in my in linux leads um, and Like I've used wsl and I granted it's been over a year and it was still kind of beta e at that point But like, you know, this is at that point. I was like, you know, this is kind of neat It wouldn't drive me away from actually using linux, but if you have to use Windows, but you also have to use linux wsl is a Better version. It's great. You know, it's better than having to dual boot because dual booting is dumb And I think everybody knows that dual booting is is absolutely the most horrible thing in the world I absolutely hate the fact that I just have an extra windows partition on my drive like dual booting is annoying. It's not Especially when you when there's now we live in a world where I mean running a virtual machine is not like you The odds that you'd have hardware that can't run a virtual machine pretty low like Virtual machine stuff like that. Like I don't know dual booting for me. I've never liked it Especially back in the day when like windows just didn't play nice with linux Yeah, and I mean don't come wrong. There's some linux distributions that just don't play nice with dual booting either Arch does not like to be installed last Oh, really? Arch doesn't like to be installed first is what I mean is if you have a Arch is very particular on who controls grub if it doesn't control grub Then it has problems. Now, obviously that's uh, uh, that was I haven't dual booted in I don't know three or four years. So it's possible at that point. I was still very a new person It was a problem for me but every time I tried to install So I if I had arch installed first and then installed windows into another partition on the same drive I always have problems with the arch linux partition breaking Like it just went long into because once windows install after that it controls the bootloader Yep, so It was very it was it was weird. So, uh, that was the main topic anything else to say on this Oh, I think we covered it. Yeah, um, it was a good combo. Yeah, I was like That whole windows becoming a linux distribution It's gonna get your noggin thinking because it has possibilities of being really awesome. It's just too bad. That's never gonna happen Okay, so every week Tyler and I choose a uh an app or something of the kind and we call apps the week But really it just picks the week because it can really be pretty much anything I just haven't changed the title in the notion doc yet. So, uh, tyler, what is your Pick of the week this week For me it is a bundle and bundle is a vim plugin manager. I'm pretty sure I mean do I mean you use vim do you use bundle too? No, I use vim plug Okay, uh, so Well, good. So bundle is pretty popular. Um, not not everybody uses it So that's why I thought it would be good to just talk about it because I've been using just Vim, I don't you run any plugins for the longest time, but Because I'm working inside of unity and scripting a whole bunch and c-sharp. I want a like more fully featured ide to work in and bundle was just It surprised me how easy it was to get bundle working and just Put in a plug in the only thing I will say if you are new to vim plugins new to bundle Just know please take your time and read The config because a config is very straightforward and it seems So and it is so easy that it can really throw you up because you have to Actually after putting the plug in in the config file, you have to do the command plugin install and for me I Were like a solid two minutes. You missed that bit, didn't you? Yeah for a solid two minutes I was replacing the plug in trying different methods of like using the plugin to get it installed I saw the comment of just you got installed. I'm like, oh, what the heck? Yeah, it's so easy. Um, there's not a lot of differences in terms of bundle and then plug They both do the basically the same thing. Um, why I used to use bundle, but now I use them like I don't remember why I switched Um, I think they're both basically exactly the same. They work Like precisely the same I'm it's another one of those Linux Linux things like two versions of the exact same thing, right? um I'm sure I'm assuming that there's probably is some difference, but I've never Got into it. But yeah, um I mean It's like they even install the same like you do plug in install. I just do plug install Oh, okay. Yeah, exactly the same. Um, so yeah, that's been plugging bundle. They're really good I think I only have like seven plugins right now for them But that's about to change because I've been doing research. Like I said at the beginning to try to get to be a better app for writing And so there's definitely going to be some more that I look into in terms of actually adding but right now Most of the ones that I have are for um Like auto completion and stuff like that. So Yeah, and I don't do any Squaring coding at all. So Well, uh, like for me, I only I only needed two plugins. I'm sure I could optionally find some more plugins I thought was cool or like thought it were cool and play around with but for me nurturing just so I have a file browser window there perfect And then I can't remember what the plug-ins call, but I use it. It's like scripting auto complete so I can Uh, just choose like it comes with I think it comes with like three languages already But COC is it conquer of completion or something? No, I can't remember what it was called But it came with like I know, uh, I know for a fact java was one of the program that and python Would already set up to auto complete And then I just I had to do like one extra step to get C sharp in there and then I mean I was like I was just surprised how easy it was to get an ide setup or set up them as an ide Yeah, it was pretty simple. Yeah, them is great. I mean seriously don't use nano I'm still unwilling to try emacs. I don't know everyone's told me I should at least give it a shot, but I'm still like Not yet. It just does Emacs is like kde. It has too much shit in there. That's that's my opinion It takes it takes over your entire like as soon as you get into emacs From everyone that I've ever heard of you get into emacs You like emacs and then the next thing you know emacs is your window manager And I'm like I don't I don't really want to go all that in. Yeah, yeah I don't want to do my email and emacs or file browsing and all that stuff Like it's great that I can do that stuff, but I like this separate applications that I can whatever it's it's weird Um, what you like what you like. All right. Anyway, so my pick of the week this week is called offy now I've been using google authenticator on my phone now for a while But the problem with the google authenticator is that it's attached to the device Right if this phone decides to die I'm screwed And the great thing about offy is that it's done through an account So you can actually have it on multiple devices and there is an a linux application for it So you can actually install it now. It is available only through the step snap store I don't know if there's I'm assuming it's also in a u r Everything is in the a u r someone just it seems to be a safe assumption. It's also there, but I do have Yeah, so completely a lot of topic But I I do the top five linux apps of the month every week month and this one three of them were snap packages And one of them was a flat pack. I was like Uh, I don't want to install these things on my system I But I did and the thing is is arco comes with both snap and flat packs pre-support pre-install So I didn't have to do anything. I was just like snap install this snap install that and then flat hub install Whatever the hell flat hub does because flat hubs not nearly as easy in terms of syntax, but um Yeah, so that it was both installed. It worked really well So I could actually install offy from the snap store, which I probably will I haven't actually gone through and done this yet because You have to go through and transfer every application You know one by one and it's gonna be a pain in the ass, but I'm going to use this Because I'm just definitely afraid Of this android phone Stopping working right because I this is a one plus seven t I think And one plus used to be great in terms of like updates and stuff like that But just lately their updates have been garbage Like I mean everything is I mean Things going slow. It's running the the battery down. It's just so bad Wait, hold on. Did you say samsung? No, no one plus. Okay. Okay. Yeah, because I'm actually having the same issue I updated my phone. I think it was yesterday and now it's slow like and I I have a samsung note note ultra 20 some 5g BS I don't know There's no reason for it to be slow. So my theory on the phone's thing is that these companies are coming out with way too many devices and they can't they're Like samsung has like 40 different devices they have to support maybe even more than that if you can't wake worldwide I'm sure that it's probably more than that, right? No company in the world no matter how big can support that many devices And put out the same an update every single month because they have to do an update every month They have a security update every month um Yeah, so That's not great. That's the reason why apple is so good because that all their stuff is the same, right? And like they just push out an update and it works for whatever devices they say it's gonna work on You know it works. Anyways. Yeah, so, um, Othio has who has my pick and that's the reason why I've been looking into it is because I'm terrified that my phone is going to die from a stupid update that I don't really need, you know, like I understand I like 10 minutes ago. I was talking about how change is good But when it comes to my phone, I don't want you to I mean, uh, oh don't get me wrong I like the new android 12 or whatever. It looks cool But Unless it comes as the most stable thing in the world. I don't want to use it. I'd rather like exactly I'd rather my computer die like Those linux problems I was having those are those are great. I mean I had a lot of fun trying to fix those damn things But if my phone dies I'm lost You know, I guess the thing has everything my whole life I would die and cry and it's it's not even that like your your phone is one of those things where like if it goes down There's a good chance that like that's a device where if there's an emergency That's where someone's going to reach you You're mainly your computer like it might be annoying that you can't get some work done Or you had something productive that you wanted to get done that day And it some when something interferes with that like yeah, it's annoying and it's upsetting But on your phone It's a little bit like if if my phone is up is slow or if I miss a phone call from my sister where like My mom's been in a horrible car wreck Only because my phone is unstable. Oh, that's that's much different than just Me having some problems with like trying to get chin to install. It's a big difference. Yeah, so So I think the moral of the story is use iphone, right? No, that's not the moral The story is don't put all of your eggs in one basket. Don't There's definitely going to be someone who skits through the video and ends up right on that part right there Yeah, definitely Wait, isn't this a linux channel? Where where did I end up? I Like the moral of the story don't let one device be the Focus point of all of your data and that is the way it is for me Like pretty much right now because I use that google authenticator app And if this phone dies, I can't get into my bank. I can't get into facebook I can't get into all these things that I use Two factor for because they tell you you have to use the app based authenticator or whatever because it's safer than sms Um, I be screwed right and I mean so we got two morals for the story Don't upload your dot config file to github because that's dumb And also don't tell people where you live on the podcast. That's also dumb and third don't Don't put all of your eggs in one basket. It's it's a great like I don't know some kind of proverb anyways so that is it for us Um, we just went over an hour. So um, I'm sure we probably can cut out the first 10 minutes of this Um, we were we were bullshitting before we actually started. Um, so coming up next week I believe yes, we're going to be talking about telemetry. So telemetry has been in the news a lot lately With audacity and ubuntu and all these distributions. They're all collecting data And we thought that linux isn't really supposed to do that, uh, but It seems open source has come to the conclusion that it's okay to collect your data Um, we'll see we're going to be talking about that next week. That should be an interesting topic. So That is it for us now for now. 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