 Hello, everybody. We're back again. It's Saturday and that must mean it is time for another reveal reaction show to the Dominion box set, this big old box that heralds the coming of the third edition of Age of Sigmar. Tyler, you're back with it. How are you doing, buddy? How are you feeling today? Good, man. Yeah. Happy to be here with you. So you did not get to watch most of the stream because you actually had a conflicting engagement. So this is going to be a sort of live reaction for you for a lot of this, I suspect. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I saw a few of the models, but yeah, pretty, pretty fresh still in terms of what is going on. So yeah, we got some good information today. So we can, we will see what happens here. We're going to go ahead and turn this on. Somebody said, please no bots. Thank you for reminding me. We got to put that on real quick, which is we put a little slow mode on. Don't worry, it's just a one second slow mode. So you can still comment all you want, please do, but like you can't type more than one comment per second, which only a bot would do. So it just stops bots. Anyways, the reason we're talking about bots is because of course this isn't what this shows about. This shows about Dominion, but we did launch Rain and Hell this weekend. I hope you were, everybody knows Uncle Adam and I released a game this weekend. We're super excited about it. Fast, brutal, miniatures, agnostic, skirmish, wargame. All the links are down below if you're interested in that. Not what we're here to talk about, but I would be remiss if I didn't mention that we did just launch a brand new game yesterday and we hope you all check it out. Anyways, let's talk about what we got to talk about for this other company who's not us making a thing. Okay, so let's just get into the high level. Box looks amazing. Obviously, all we got to see all the new sculpts, they look really cool. And like everything's we're going to go through all the models, talk about what we like, all of that, blah, blah, blah, of course, right? But the thing I think that caught me was they did give us a little preview of 3.0, which I am keen to talk about with you, Tyler, because they talked about some rule stuff from 3.0, and they showed us that there's going to be more models, of course, beyond the launchbox. All right. So we're going to get some good deeds here. All right, okay. This will be live. I haven't seen, so it was like a little video. I haven't seen that yet. Oh, it's there. Don't worry. We'll get to it, my friend. We will get there. So first things first, the overall the box, they confirmed it's going to be around the endominus price. That was like 125 pounds, $200. I wouldn't be surprised if it was slightly more expensive. Like if they went 130, 135 and 210 or 220, you know, in that range. But I suspect that's what it's going to be, right? They did confirm it will be limited edition. They didn't use those words because they don't want to use those words. They said, we've made a bunch of them and we tried to produce more. And you know, this is like the thing that drew the most consternation from the chat. Like the Twitch chat was just on and on people scrolling about the nature of the limited edition. And you know, I get it, right? Because I do wish this was just a perpetually produced part of the line. Right? Like it was just a perpetual product. These launch boxes aren't that they'll have a different like starter box that won't be like that. So, you know, it is what it is. My hope, okay, is that they learned well from endominus and what happened there where they had to disrupt their entire like the cascading disruption that that caused for months because they had to shut down the whole factory, retool everything for endominus, run nothing but endominus for two months or two weeks. Sorry. And then switch everything back over. One hopes they've learned their lesson and will now produce enough of these. I don't know what enough means. They're going to take their best shot. Like it is limited because it is a loss leader type of product. You know, that's why they do this as a business. I understand their decision. I'm not saying it doesn't suck. It does, you know, but like I get why they're making the decision they make. When you have a very low margin product, which this probably is lower margin given the book and the cost of plastics and all that, right? They just they have to make a decision to say, we can't produce this forever. This can't be a regular product. We don't sell regular products at that margin. They have internal margin targets. They have a finance group and accounting and shareholders and people who put a lot of pressure on them, right? To hit certain financial targets. Like this is a business. They're not running the March of Dimes over here. Like again, I'm not trying to say that I want to see eBay scalpers go nuts because that's super sucks. Like it's super duper sucks. I want there to be exactly enough for every one person on the planet who wants one to be able to get one. That's the amount I want them to produce. So hopefully they get as close to that as possible. Yeah, absolutely. We'll see. Yeah. It's the big hanging dark cloud over this potential release, over all of their product releases lately. Yeah. Let's hope that maybe some of the reason they haven't been producing as much of everything else is because they were busy producing tons and tons of this, right? And I'll be able to walk into any random friendly local game store six months from now and see two of these on the shelf or one of these on the shelf, right? Yeah, absolutely. It certainly felt that way. Yeah, that they probably switched over a lot of production, understandably to 3.0 bucks. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. At any rate, we're not going to dive too much into this, but here we are. So, just end to address one other thing real quick. So, Rule of Cool War Gaming said made to order pre-order would solve this issue. The issue with a made to order pre-order is that it's disrupted to their schedule. They have to produce six months in advance. So, you have to pick what you would then want. Like if they made to order now when they announced it or something, then they would need to pick what you don't want to release later or what else you want on the schedule you want to push back. At any rate, it's tough. Look, I'm not sitting inside their building. I don't know what decisions they're making. I can only say from my own experience, right? In that I know it's often hard to push lower margin stuff even when you know it's the right answer for the client. So, there you go. And if you're going to do more of it, then you got to say, what else do we want to disrupt? What product do you not want later in the year, right? You're willing to push back a bunch of other stuff by months to get this thing because that's what ends up happening. Yeah. Again, that's not, I'm not trying to excuse it. They should make enough, but you know, and hopefully we all get enough. There we go. All right. Enough of that discussion. Let's get into the actual thing. I, like I said, I'm hopeful they learn their lesson. I think we'll have a lot of them out there. We'll see exactly what happens. Time will tell. Okay. All right. So, we started off, of course, with this little video. I'm just going to roll this and mute it and then we'll just kind of let it roll. It's long, but basically what we get is the introduction of our, you know, our new Stormcast and our new, our new enemies, right? So, our new cruel boys. So, we've got all our famous battle scenes here from some of the past in the age of Sigmar. Very cool individual stuff like the individual trophies they've taken. I do love this look at Sigmar on at Azir stuff like that. We don't get enough of that. I also like that they threw soulbound in there. That's the way that went flip by was the soulbound image, which was great. So, yeah, 100%. Yeah, that's one of our best looks so far at, at Azir in general. Yeah. I do like the pantheon of all the gods as well. And that is a tremendous picture of, of Sigmar. I'm not sure that's actually what he looks like, but if I was Sigmar, I'd want that picture of myself. Like that's the picture I would commission of me, right? So, yeah, you know, all in all, very cool animation. It plays out, they shoot down, they kill some goblins, then this guy gets shot and then he comes back again and, you know, because that's what these new Stormcasts do. They get, they get thunderstruck back up into the heavens. So there you go. All right. Yeah. Yeah, it's good stuff. We'll, we'll, we'll keep going because you can watch the video on your own. It doesn't really show anything. And look, what we're really interested about is what's in the box? What's in the box? No, it's not in fact with Baltra's head. And in fact, it's a bunch of Stormcasts and goblins or orcs. Sorry, not goblins. They're orcs. They're, they're weedy orcs, but they're orcs. We'll look at the individual units, but what'd you think of this box? So you got the special edition book, you've got all the War Scroll cards. Hey, a lot of people were repping War Scroll cards came out hard for that in the show when I talked about it. Don't worry, they heard you. They're giving you a bunch of War Scroll cards and then you got 21 Stormcast 39 Cruel Boys. Yeah. And then your, your cards in your book and stuff like that. What do you think of this? So I'm, I mean, they probably said something like this, but I'm guessing this is supposed to be like the representation of Mork, like the other side to the, you know, the iron jaws gork. Okay. That's right. Yeah, that's probably the kind of vomit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, gorgeous. I think, I think they're all quite stunning, especially these, I mean, yeah, played Stormcast in 2019 for a full year. So a little partial, but they have nailed Stormcasts with this release. I think they're all incredible. That new Vexelor especially. Yeah, we've got a sort of versions of some that are close, but not exactly new, but some that are new. Like we had a Knight Arcanum as opposed to a Lord Arcanum. Right? Yeah. And the helmet on the Knight Arcanum, that white paint. Oh my God, that's so good. So let's get into it. Let's just take a look at the individual models because like it's cool. Yep. Like, okay, great. You got your Legion Stability to War Scroll cards. This little Getting Started book that no one will care about. And then your core book. Fantastic. Important thing to note, I want to talk about right up front. One of the confirmed things we got in this, sorry, I'm just checking off my notes to say I've talked about things. One of the confirmed things that we got in this reveal was that the table size, the recommended table size is confirmed to be moving to 60 by 44. As we all know, as we've said on this show, like a hundred times, if you have common sense in your head, you knew they were moving to that. So they did nicely confirm that, which we appreciated. So they also like cheekily confirmed, yes, of course, these guys are getting new books, like they're going to get new battle tomes, you know, so adduh. Important thing, they confirmed that Tyler, I was not expecting, but this surprised me. These new cruel boys, they'll be getting their own tome, but they can also apparently go into war plans. All right. So I don't know if that means they just integrate it. Like I would assume that means in big war, right? Like in big war, you can rally them all together, not iron jaws specific you can add a few in. I would think you'd have to go to big war. Yeah. So but that's cool. I really thought they were going to keep them separate. I thought they were going to pull an offspring on us and keep them separated. But no, you can put them in war plans. They're all in the big war. So that means a big war as we're going to see from the units now has some ranged firepower. Are you excited about orcs? That was the first thing that stood out probably any iron jaws, big wall player. Yeah. I mean, playing that army over the last few weeks. Oh my God. Yeah, you would kill for some range power. Yeah. Well, it's coming in a big way in a big way. So range all those people, the number of people who over time that we've talked about orcs have said like, why can't we just get some kind of big, giant, heavy crossbow shooty thing for orcs, you know, for iron jaws or whatever. Well, yeah, ask and ye shall receive. Apparently it just took a little while, but we got there. Yeah. Reminds me of Tomlin back in the day, you know, one of the OG iron jaws players he would run. It was like a unit for I didn't know what they were called. It was like a cross. Rug looks armored orcs is what you're looking for. Yeah. Yeah. It was from the grots. It was like a bull thrower. Oh, the Doomdiver catapult. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Or just the regular bull thrower. You could take, there was also two bull throwers you can use and if there were two of them next to each other, they'd get bonuses to hit. That's what it was. Yeah, I used to run those in this list. Yeah. There we go. All right. So let's get into these individual models. We've seen Yindrasta before confirmation here that she came in the box. I really thought they wouldn't put her in the box. I know. Yeah. I was thrilled. Absolutely. So gorgeous. They finally gave you your storm cast. I've been modeling them with feather wings since like day the first. Yeah. Those were the first armies that I saw from you when I was getting into the hobby. Yeah, your your Bretonian angel wings, storm cast, which seemed like they'd been on the shelf for the last three years. Oh, they got put away years ago. Yes, they actually moved. There's on the other side of this wall, there's there are bigger shelves that are for retired armies where they sit in repose. So that's like where my Bretonians are in my Tomb Kings and and now the original storm cast Bretonian Eternals that I made have joined them over there in in in the retirement home. So yeah. The Lord imperitence with Griffhound a lot of a lot of with Griffhounds in this box. Somebody said estimation on the box price. The question just got asked in the chat. They confirmed that it's going to be very close to endometis. So endometis was like 125 pounds, 200 US, one would assume it'll either be the same or like 135 pounds to 10 or 220 US. Like I'm guessing it'll it'll be within a stone's the row of endometis. So yeah. Yeah, this guy looks sweet. I prefer the unhelmeted version. Swab Gandalf, as I think I would call him, right? Sure. Yeah. Cool. I do really like the helmet on this one. Do you like the helmet? You like the more clearly we're seeing the grungy influence there. See he's in there like we're gonna model some beards in here. Yeah, 100%. No, yeah, I dig it. Yeah, that was one thing that stood out looking at these models is just like first impression is that they have some different designs in the helmets. More so than we've seen previously. And yeah, really, really digging all the helmets. Yeah, this guy's great. Yeah, absolutely. Alejandro says this new storm cast mean the same as Primaris for 40k. I'm not an age of Sigmar, but this is tempting me. No, it's just a new type of armor, but they've confirmed like all the original storm cast are still completely valid and will still completely work and the new tome that they're putting out will contain all of them. So you can use like for in the narrative of the world, there's a very real difference between these two armor sets in their ability to sort of navigate the the challenges of storm cast returning to easier in the narrative of your game and your army. I says they've said that and rumors are that like all of the storm cast are getting retouched and that even the old ones are going to get a real boost up that they've read that they went over the whole line. I'm actually super excited for what they're going to do with all of the storm cast. I think we're going to get a complete revamp of basically the whole line of storm cast. So yeah, yeah, that'd be amazing. And yeah, get a little more in the direction of what you guys talked about and that that's how to fix storm cast show that you did a while back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's just, I think that they recognize that storm cast just weren't where they wanted them to be as their poster boys. Right. And and so I think they're they're taking a two fold approach, one the redesign to draw people in with the new aesthetics to a complete rules refresh to make like all of them viable, valuable interest to you. So you can't so no matter what aesthetic grabs you, you're good to go. Now I'll say I love this new design, this guy right here like this new armor design. Holy crap, it's so good. It's overlapping plates and yeah, the sleeker design. And but yeah, the variants with the bigger, bigger boys that are coming to look like an unit of three that we'll see in a little bit. Yeah, yeah, let's so so this is the Lord of Puritan looks great. I love all the free griffons. You know, Eddie in the stream mentioned the little hammer hanging from his collar, that there's there are other griffons with little hammers hanging from their collar. That's a pretty cool fire. Yeah, that's that's a little thing. I've painted the little hanging thing before. So there you go. Griffons help you win games, my friends. That's that's right. Look, extra free bodies. Never bad. Yup. Griffons birds. Exactly. The Knight Arcanum. So previously we had the Lord Arcanum, right? That was the old hero. So there's the echelons of the Stormcast are like, you know, knights and lords and stuff like that. That's the kind of prefect title that they have. And that kind of sets their general rank. And then those have different words on the bottom like Celestine, Castellan, Arcanum, whatever, whatever. Yeah. So this, I mean, this girl is amazing, right? Like please be good rules. Please. I just want her to be like a destructive powerhouse. They mentioned in the game that she's like a very offensive spellcaster. Great. Okay. I'm good with that. Have her toss out some hardcore lightning, be blasting apart some people. Like let's do some real mortal wounds here. Like yes, please. That's that's what I want. I don't think her, so Learn Train Place and her face is so bad. I disagree. I think her face is actually really good. I think they just painted it. Not great. Again, like the, we've talked about this a lot on the show. I really just don't think in general they handle female faces well, because female faces require a lot more construction of nuance with the paint. Like female, like the women you meet in the world on a daily basis have gone to a great amount of effort to like sort of set the tones and structure of their face through their makeup usually, and you have to recreate that in paint so you, so it matches up to our expectations of what's going on. And they just paint female faces too flat. Like there's too much dark under her eyes. It makes her look like a raccoon and tired and stuff like that. So I mean, I think it's a great soft face. She has a nice nose, good soft line here, whatever this is called. I don't remember. Like her cheeks look right. And all of that is correct. It's good female proportions. I just think they need to work on their, they, I've said it a million times, just go watch some contouring videos, folks. I don't know what you're doing. Yeah. I thought, yeah, I was trying to figure it out. Is it the eyes? Are the eyes off? Yeah, the eyes are off. Yeah. Okay. But it seemed like that. That's, I figured that was what was. The eyes are off and there's not enough definition in the cheeks. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. Yep. But anyway, she also has this awesome alternate helmet, which I don't think I would paint this blank white, but it's a super cool helmet. Oh, yeah. It reminds, I can't remember the guy's name, but this guy on Instagram, great painter. You probably know who he is. He has his own Stormcast Army and they all have white helmets using the classic cameras of Sigma scheme. Yeah. And it's like they saw it and it's, yeah, the most stunning, one of the most stunning Stormcast Armaments that I've ever seen. Just something about that, at least to me, that white offsetting the gold, red, blues, it really works. And yeah, dig that helmet. Yep. So, I mean, she's gorgeous. Love the, I don't mind it being a different color. I wish they didn't do everything at a full hammer to Sigma, but I mean, I understand what they do. So sure is what it is. Like, I think if you put these guys in some of the other paint schemes we saw in the Wormerfest reveal day, they'd look just so VA. If you put them in like a Celestial Vendicator's color scheme or something like that, right? The white color scheme, something like that. Yeah, 100%. Beautiful, beautiful figure. I mean, the sculptors are just killing it. Just, I don't even know what to say. All right. So here's our new Knight of Vexelor. Yeah, this might be my favorite. I mean, this model is just perfection. Again, I mean, the pose, that helmet, the armor, the banner is absolutely badass. Yeah, it's so well-painted, too. I don't know. We're gushing a lot here, but like, these storm casts are, yeah, I'm not sure how I'm going to resist finally doing like an expensive, as hell, non-metallic metal commission army of 2004. Start saving now, buddy. Yeah. Oh my God. There you go. All right. So yes, great stuff. Then you've got the Prey Tours, which are the three bodyguards. I mean, you know what I'm thinking, Tyler, the whole time I'm looking at this, like, yeah, these guys are going to look awesome with rat heads and scavenging these Vermont the whole time. I'm just like, I'm ready. I'm so in for this scaven army. It's going to be amazing. Ratcalf 2021. Should have photoshopped it up just like put little storm vermin heads on them would have been fantastic. Oh, sure. Yeah. 100%. But these guys look cool. Here comes the big question. So you get three of these Praetorians. Yeah. They're soul bonded, as it mentioned to the heroes, they're bound to protect. So I assume that's going to be your bodyguard for your heroes. Oh yeah. Right. Like they can take the wounds for your heroes. Okay. Absolutely. So piss off, croak, Teclas, everybody piss off. This poll is bent, by the way, as people are pointing out. I'm guessing what happened is it broke and they had to reaffix it and didn't reaffix it personally and like, yeah, it's all good. Come on, we can't like perfect to be the enemy of the good here, guys. You've never made a mistake in your own painting. Just say it. Just look at that sword. Just focus on the sword. Yeah. There you go. And then the Annihilators, which we also get three of. So these guys are chonky to say the least. That's definitely the word I would use for them. You see them just smashing their way through goblins in the trailer video. Yeah. I mean, these feel like your Kurnoth, your unit of three, uh, men unit of three. Probably, what do you think, Max? Maybe nine? Well, there's a here, you got exactly the question I was going to ask. Are they like Kurnoth? Because we know they're three wounds. Okay. He did show the, in the, because the way we know that, and their hammers are like three, three's neg one, two damage. We know that. Okay. Because during the stream, Adam opened the cards and was like flipping them over. And he like, I'm I'm waiting for somebody to try to screen cap and see if they can like enhance. Yeah. Because he, he set down the, the, um, orac that's like the dude on the big monster. We'll get to him in a minute. I don't remember his name. And, uh, and, and then he said, okay, I really want to know about the Annihilators. And so he actually flipped over to them and like showed the card. Okay. So four inch move, three wounds, two up save, threes, threes. I don't, I don't think, I don't remember he said how many attacks they have. If somebody, I don't know if he said number of attacks, but if he did, if somebody remembers, please tell me or if somebody caught it on the card. I didn't get that written down. Um, so, you know, when you look at something like Kurnoth or the traditional three model units, right? Those tend to be five wounds, five or four wound models, one of the two, right? It's like your fiend bloods, your Kurnoth, your gore bruntas, right? Yeah. If these dudes are three wounds, are we either A, getting an undersized unit in this box? Are we pulling that nonsense again? Again, going back to 2050. Yeah, they did that in 15. Uh, yeah. Okay. Or B, are they just units of three? What's your vote? I, I, I still think they're units of three. I know that's a little low. Yeah. I would, I would expect that these guys to probably be four wounds, uh, with, yeah, some differentiation with the original paladins that are three wounds. But yeah, I would still think three wounds, you know, nine, nine wounds for a unit, uh, two up save. That's incredible, particularly if some of these rumors are true. You know, like every time we're talking about armor, we're always thinking about what does this look like with plus one save or whatever. And yeah, three, I'd say three. Okay. I'm going to guess we're going to get the nonsense again. That's fair. That's fair. And you were right about Skaven, by the way, in, uh, in Kragnos. Oh yeah, there you go. Yes, we did get, yeah, we got the full, like both Skaven and Beast did actually get some, some more than just a battalion. So I was happy to see that. We'll talk about that in a little, in a couple of weeks when we talk Kragnos. Um, but I think the Praetorians will actually be in units of three, because they'll be like a little bodyguard to follow around the hero, right? So they won't actually meant to be in big units, because they're actually just sort of meant to be like the elite couple dudes that follow around the boss, right? So you don't, you don't have a huge hanger on unit, right? But I bet these dudes come in fives, just like every other paladin and where they're giving us three of them. And it's like you. Yeah, I could say that. So yeah, at least three attacks. So people in the comments said threes and threes, or three attacks, threes and threes, neg one, two damage. Okay. Yeah. I was going to say maybe if they're in three models of three, a units of three, maybe four attacks, but yeah, if they're in fives, three attacks, plus an attack from the champ, 16 attacks, that's going to be a fairly expensive unit, probably some mortal wounds. Although, although on the charge, clearly they'll, you know, they're going to be big, chunky boys, right? They're going to be hard to stop. So they got to differentiate them obviously from retributors. So because I'm just describing retributors right now, but yeah, now they're, they're, they're BA. Yeah. I mean, one certainly hopes and I imagine that we're going to see plenty of ways to synergize with these guys. Like I think one of the, uh, one of the things we'll see here between, as we'll talk about in the 3.0 rules mentions, there's going to be clearly more command abilities going on to cause more synergistic, uh, buffing, right? Yeah. But between like their mortal wound impacts and probably the buffs they can take, I feel like they're, they're mostly an anvil, but they're an anvil that'll be good at grinding, right? Like they'll be able to do damage, but survive. The real question becomes, do they have any kind of mortal wound protection? Like is this the unit with that big shield that has a five up against mortal wounds or something, right? Right. Yeah. I can see that. Yeah. Impact hits make sense. Yeah. That'd be a good differentiator. Yep. So if they can like, that way they charge in, they hit, they hold, right? And what they want to do is sort of grind somebody down. So, uh, yeah. Okay. I think these Predors might be my favorite of the new units. The Predors. I really love them. I think they're great. I really do think the Predors are awesome. The cloaks, the helmets, uh, nice to see some classic Halberts. That's really sweet. You know, gives a little bit of that Phoenix Guard feel, you know, sort of, uh, harkening back to Phoenix Guard a little bit. I like them a little less now, but sure. No, I guess. That's fair. All right. Then we saw the, the, Vindictors before, this is our battle line unit. The important part is they did clarify that you're getting 10 in the box. One imagines that just like Liberators, they'll come in five. So you're getting two full units. So that's cool. I appreciate that. Clearly, if that, I think the Annihilators will be undersized. My, my guess, they'll be undersized and they're the only undersized unit in the box. That's my guess. Yeah. Uh, so yeah, all these guys look great. They did confirm, uh, both a head, an armored head and an unarmored head option for each Vindictor. Oh, okay. So you get, so, which is great. That's one of the things I'd asked for. Please give us that number of heads. So they, um, then, so basically we've got, uh, 20, uh, so we've got 10 models, 20 heads. There you go. That's nice. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Again, really dig the banners. Just yeah. And, uh, got another example. He's taking a hand there. He's having to get in the base heading down to the Taylor's level. He's finished sculpting armor on his way down through the Azurite Tower. He stopped him by the Taylor's and he's like, what are you working on? A banner there? Is that supposed to be Sigmar? No, no. His, his beard is much longer and more flowing. Make him, the feature should be a little more stone-like. Are you just telling me to make Sigmar look like a dwarf? No, no, no. That's just what he looks like. Yeah. Uh, 100%. Uh, yeah. So good. These guys are great. Uh, love the staff, you know, these sort of forward-saving ones in position. I think this one is the only one I don't like. They're like, I don't, I don't know what pose this is. I don't know what this is supposed to be. This one on the top right here where she's like, her shield's kind of back. She's very open and then she's like stabbing up. Maybe it's just the angle of the photo. Maybe when I hold it in my hand, I'll like it better. But that's probably the only pose I don't love. Uh, a lot. Yeah. So yeah, you can head or helmet. Two inch reach. Well, one hopes. Yes. One has to imagine these are two inch reach guys because they're clearly still in forties. Yep. So one has to imagine we're talking two inch reach here. It's especially as we now have the rumor going around of the new coherency rules, right? In AOS 3.0, which would mean that, you know, if you don't have a longer reach and you're on a 40 mil base, you never fight. Right. There's going to be like half the unit that never fights. But if they have a two inch reach, they're good. So I do not think that's an accident. Yeah, another amazing unit. Yeah. All right. Now let's talk about them bad boys. Bad boys. All right. So the cruel boys. I'm not going to watch the video because it's just some guy talking about stuff that we're going to see. So these are the swamp oryx. They are weedier, thinner. They follow more of morc. They use a lot of hit and run tactics and stuff like that. We start off with the kiloboss on great Nash Toof, which this guy is much bigger than he initially looks in this picture. If you go back and look at the actual, because he's on like a 105 obel. That's how they do it. Oh, okay. Because Adam actually confirmed all of the individual bases that come in the box. And there's one 105 obel and he's so it's him like you can just tell from the big picture. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm looking at the complete photo here of everything and whoo. Yeah. Yeah, he's way bigger than you think, right? Quite chunky. Yeah, particularly with Indrasta, whatever her name is, immediate comparison there. So a couple of things about these guys, they all have these big face shields. I'm not sure I love them being that bright red when nothing else on the model is that bright red, like just as a painting choice, but I think they should have balanced that color up. But I get actually why they did it. Like they're trying to direct your attention to the shield. It's the Batman or the Punisher thing where they put the bright logo on their chest so that the bullets attract to the where the armor is. Yeah. Yeah. So I get it. But from a painting thing, it is a bit distracting. Aesthetically, this guy is great. I love his big scary mount. They said he's supposed to be real scary. I couldn't spy his I'm going to go back and watch the thing later and try to see what his what his actual stats are. If I can see it when Adam uses the cards, all of them have these brandings. Anytime there's a monster or a beast, they all get branded. Okay. And the branding matches the like I do. Aesthetically, I do love what the sculptors did here. The shield is meant to match the face of the guy carrying it and the brand matches that guy as well. So they like they're trying to tie all these aesthetics together. So it's like artistic interpretations, obviously, right, of all of it. But like, that's what they're meant to all match up to. Huh. Interesting. Yeah, never would have necessarily caught that unless you pointed out. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, scrolling through now. That's cool. Yeah. And you know, like, this is one of those things that you wouldn't have to paint so cartoony with the face, right? Like they went for the cartoony eyes, the the Google eyes or whatever they'll have googly eyes. But right, right. It's definitely an old school shout out with these shields, you know, obviously warmer way back in the day. I'm thinking of the, yeah, that original, I don't like technically a third edition box set with the elves and the goblins and a little the paper hammer of a therian and posh the ground, you know, the shield types. It's pretty, pretty sweet. Now, aesthetically, there's a thing. So this big skull was one of our, it's like his big backpack. He has like a giant skull talking about the swamp collar shaman. Let's go to him next. He has the big giant skull as a sort of back plate, which is neat. Um, I feel like in Zcat, we've reused some of the worm spat pieces for him. He seems to have some similar aesthetics to the, to the Nurgle Caster, like in the leg and robing and stuff like that. The hand up here they mentioned is the hand of Mork. It's doing the Mork symbol. That's what that's meant to be. Oh, that's, that's sweet. I hadn't even noticed that. That's cool. And he's got his pot grot. So here we have pot grot and stab grot. And of course, which one is more popular is up to you. But yes, pot grot who follows them around. Just like, I think they've realized that pets are cool because a bunch of the storm cast bring griffons, right? And they're like, we got to give these guys pets too. And so they're like, okay, they'll have little grots and people love little grots. So, uh, yes, this is, um, this is the pot grot. Yeah. I saw their note about how the little stab a grot can be kicked in front of the big dudes to like suck up some wounds for him to die on his behalf. That was great. Yep. I mean, pot grot seems pretty happy with his life. He seems like he's okay with it. He's there to stir a pot. Honestly, hanging out with a shaman is probably the safest place in the army. So, you know, definitely better than being on the front line, I suppose. So, did they give any info about this guy? Like, what this, this spillcaster or some kind other than that? No, they didn't, they didn't give any details. Right on. Yeah. Yeah. Incredible models. I'm not, I'm sure another thing. Like, these just really giving off that, uh, Lord of the Rings vibe with a lot, a lot of these. Yeah. Looking at the, what were those called? The, uh, Warg Riders. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Getting that feeling with the big dude, maybe we'll get a unit that's a little Warg Rider looking. Yeah, we had the rumor of those Wolf Rider, that Wolf Rider unit. So, maybe that would not be coming. Positive. That's one of the things we're going to see. Like, absolutely, this is only part of the release, right? Like, this is not all of the, uh, Cruel Boys, right? We just did in the same way. It's not all of the Stormcast. So, we're definitely going to see more. I fully expect there to be some like full Wolf Rider type of people. I think there might have even been some running around in the animation somewhere you can see in the background. I'll need to go back again. So, I'm pretty sure they were, you know, yep, there you go. We've got the Killaboss with Stabgrots. This is the foot version of the, uh, of the guy mounted earlier. Oh, yeah. And this is the first time you can really see this. So, these guys have a different proportion. Uh, so the, the, the Oryx themselves are not proportioned in a standard human way. Yeah. Okay. And that's like, obviously completely intentional. Yeah, definitely. They have very long torsos, right? Slightly bigger heads. And like, if you look at where their head is sort of like the ones that you will see in a minute where they're, they're, uh, like this, the size of their head all the way around, no matter which dimension you go on is kind of bigger than it would, it would be. And they have very short legs. Like they are off. So like you use, uh, you know, traditionally when you, when you do a human sort of, uh, figure, you break it up into these, into these various slices and clearly they moved like a whole slice down. They extended the torso, the torso, like a whole slot down. Right? Yeah. It's, they're all like this. They have this really long, triangular torso and then little stubby legs, right? Their hips are so, it's as though like, imagine if you took the standard slice, I think it's like for a human figure drawing, it's been a long time, I've followed those folks since I did this stuff. I'm wrong and somebody knows it's, I think it's you divide it into sevens. And it almost feels like they took the middle seventh, it would be where the lower torso in the upper thigh start and they said, nope. And they brought the torso down one and then collapsed the torso sections down, right? Right. Yeah. So they, they just have this weird feel of like stubby legs, big giant torsos, right? Yeah, I dig it. So it makes them look weird and kind of alien. I like it. I think it's actually one of the things I like the most about them. It's unusual that they went for like, going for unusual proportions is one of the quickest way to make something seem alien and monstrous, right? Yeah, sort of artistically. Right. Yeah, it's really noticeable with, with this big guy. Yeah, scrolling through the other ones don't notice it quite as much, but now that you pointed out, I can see it. Yeah, like let's go down here to the merc knob with Belchibana, which this guy, as said in the stream, and I agree, this guy has the worst job because this tongue is like a big lizard tongue that just belches off, that just exudes this poison chemical into the air. Okay. And so they go and they kill the beast and take the tongue. And it's that's why there's like a little magnet on it because the tongue is real. Right. And it and so this dude is just like, oh, I get to be the one that holds the poison tongue. Great. Wonderful. Fantastic. Right. Oh, man. And they pointed out that like this face is meant to be Kragnos. They're their vert their image of what Kragnos is. This is Orcs goblins. So they have all of the like, the Kragnos face, the oryx face and the goblin face. So yeah, very cool. I actually really like this guy's face. What do you think about this dude? And this is this first time we get to really see the unarmored head. And you can see I'm trying to see the length of the jaw. Like most Orcs don't have this. They're they're a little more monstrous, of course. But like this these their jaws really jut. Right. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, no, I dig them. Yeah, it's quite quite unique. Yeah. What the heck is that? What's I'm trying to figure out, is that an elf that's hanging from his like belt areas? I think it's supposed to be a belt. Some people are saying that that's my head up on the side of Kragnos. And I am both deeply hurt and must say you're absolutely correct. That does more hair than me. But yeah, maybe I was found out the wilderness for a while. And this this kind of grew long. Yeah. Yeah, I can't say that doesn't look like me. Yeah, a little little paintwork would would absolutely nail it. Somebody said he looks like Azog from the Hobbit. I totally agree. That's that's what I was gonna say. I was gonna say if anybody else was gonna say that because that was the first thing that jumped out of me. He has this Azog like face. Yes. Absolutely. They they feel like just to continue the sort of Lord of the Rings vibes. Yeah, he like imagine let's just all close our eyes and use our imaginations for a moment. Let's take this fig and paint his skin that like albino modeled gray. Right. And tell me he wouldn't look like Azog. Yeah, so right now. But yeah, let's see. Oh, yeah, 100%. Right. Yeah, needs a few stars longer face. Right. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. I think this guy this is I think I don't know about this banner. I kind of don't love the banner too much. But actual model wise, this is actually the one guy I really like. So spoilers. I don't really like these orcs. Okay. You want to get into why right now or you want to wait? I like that they're weird. I like their aesthetics. I don't have any desire to collect them. What I mean by that is I think they're really cool. But like I look at them and I just go nah, they're too busy. There's too much stuff like they they're there. Their aesthetic just doesn't appeal to me to me personally. That is not me saying they're bad. I think they're very good. Right. I think there are lots of things in the game that I think look really cool, but don't appeal to me personally. Right. The iron jaws really appealed to me personally that like the heavy fist pounded armor. Just like that's what I love. I love that kind of that. They're just coming like a freight train. Right. Right. All right. So man skewer bolt boys. So this is one of the dudes who shot the Lord Imperitus in the trailer video and send him back to well it takes about seven shots to send him back to to azir, but there you go. But these dudes look great. So yeah, the ranged bolt thrower support is here. Next question are three of these the correct unit size? Oh God. Again, I'm going to go with yes. Like they're the long strikes there. Yeah. Two wounds each 20 or 24 minimum maybe 30 inch range fours, threes minus two, two damage. I like it. I like it. All right. Mark that down. That's the call. Yeah, maybe I'm modified sixes mortals. Yeah, three. Yeah, probably three. I don't know if that so so Donald asked are the kits are the kits push fit? I think like the 40k and down this box. They showed the sprues. I'd have to go back and look again. They didn't look push fit to me. They look just like normal sprues. But I don't know. I'll have to go back and watch again. So I'll see. Yeah, I think I got a PM from someone I think he did at least yeah, according to him, he thought they were pushed. They were pushed. Yeah, maybe they are then they usually do these as push fit. Okay. So Steve Keene said yes, they are cool. Did they give the confirmed that I missed that note? They said most of them are awesome. Thank you, everybody. I appreciate it. I missed that detail. Um, yeah, these guys are are good. Here's the thing. I could this could be nonsense. But if they were going to have a unit three, these kinds of ranged dudes are they they oftentimes do units of three of these, right? Yeah, absolutely. Donald said I understand your skepticism. However, memory serves in dominance had all the correct unit sizes. Did it not? Yeah, I believe so. I believe in dominance had all the correct unit sizes. But you know, I mean, what is the correct unit size in 40k where you can buy individual people? So, yeah, right? Yeah, no, I love these guys. Yeah, there's I don't know this that it works for me. I can see your point. I mean, yeah, they're a little busy, but I kind of, you know, I can get why with the narrative of the lore that they're talking about, you know, they would be that they're swamp creatures that they'd be lugging around a lot of crap, having a lot of crap on them. Or at least my in my head, that makes sense. Sure. I'm really digging the helmets, especially the dude with the spike on the helmet. Or I guess they all got some spike, a couple of them. Yeah, love these guys. Yeah, one of the things like I said, they mentioned that the plates on their their tum tums, just like the shields are often matched to their face to their aesthetics. So like there's no for example, let's let's go ahead and go to this next unit. So we go to the the sorry to the gut rippas, which are sort of the main or you know, infantry, as it were, right, who have the big red shields. And they talked about how the the shields are matched to their faces. Right. So for example, where's our home? Well, like, you can see this dude who has the metal head with the little spiky bits on top, his he has the spiky bits on his shield, right? The shield here for this guy has like the upturned lip just like the the auric here again with these like long heads, right? Where's our homey that has Oh, here, right, like this guy has the cloak hanging down the side of his face. So his shield has the same aesthetic. And then this guy has an eye patch. So he gave a shield and eye patch. Right. The next guy through so yeah. So again, and you can really see it with these dudes the sort of long triangular torsos and the shorter legs, right? I think it really comes off here. These guys are like big big Hulk bodies on little little little legs. So there you go. Right. Yeah. Fantastic. Yeah, I like these guys are neat. I love the matching aesthetics. I think they look cool. Again. Yeah, they just I think they're really cool. They're just not something that would grab me. So here's my statement. When I get my Dominion box because I'm certainly going to be picking what he's up. I mean, a doi like I'm going to try. Like why not? Right. I will be looking for an extra storm cast half. So you know, we'll I'm sure we can find somebody who we can trade with here. I'll give if you're if you're if these are grabbing you, we'll find somebody who wants my or a calf and I will take your storm cast half. So there we go. Right. Right. Then we get to this new unit. So how many how many did we we got 10 of these guys in the box? Okay. All right, cool. And they all seem pretty different. So like, yeah, clearly they're meant to be a unit of 10, right? Because there's 10 individualized sculpts. Yeah. So definitely. Yeah. Yeah. I hope they've got it feels like they might have a five up save. Hopefully, yeah, I mean, if our boys with all that chunky armor and brutes, right, our four up. Yeah, it feels like these guys should be five up. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Maybe we'll get maybe get some other debuffs or ways to keep them keep them around a little longer. Yeah, but they're clearly going to be a bit more of a mass force, right? Not full on bone splitters, but probably in the higher numbers. They're not an elite like iron jaw style, right? Yeah, definitely. And they've said they play with a lot of hit and run. They mentioned that like they'll run forward and taunt people and then come and then fall back. So my guess is we could see some some when we think about like when we think about how the army will play, my guess is you're going to see some retreat and charge showing up in the book, right? That kind of stuff. Yeah. And you know, that kind of thing that lets them play, they'll probably have a deep striker ambushing mechanic, right? That lets them come in from off board or up from out of the swamp or emerge from terrain. Or I can see any of those, right? Like their ambush could be you can hold half your army in reserve and they either march on from a board edge or emerge from terrain. From terrain. That'd be that'd be sweet. Yeah. Like I could absolutely see them having that kind of a deployment where they're they sneaky and they hid in there, right? And then right, right. I know we have things that get bonuses when you emerge in holy within terrain like shadow warriors, but I don't know anything that yeah, I can actually other than scuttle type the endless spell. I can't think of anything that just literally pops out of terrain. Yeah. It would make sense for these dudes. Definitely. Yeah. People saying armor has no bearing on saves in AOS fire slayers are naked now before plus save well, but fire slayers have a good reason for that. They like you either have armor or something armor has a bearing. They literally set these saves by looking at the model and going how tough does that look like the reason fire slayers have a high save is because they have runes that contain the essence of their God hammered into their skin. The reason Cragnos has a two up save without armor is because he's a freaking God. Like I saw this conversation the honest wargamer and this is the stupidest conversation. So I'm not going to like sorry. I don't remember who made it. I don't think it was James or Dan saying like how can you have a two up he has no armor homie Superman ain't wear an armor. Good luck. Okay. He's wearing some cloth his mama made him and good luck getting a sword through that. Yeah. Some people are just tougher. Okay. Like his Cragnos skin is like diamonds. All right. Right. Like again, superheroes all the time don't run around an armor and they just bullets bounce off of them like nothing. Superman can take a high caliber round in the eyeball and not even blink. All right. He's made of different stuff. Same with I would assume a God. Right. So yes, they don't need to wear armor. Armor is for people. You put on armor because your body is soft and fragile and stabby things go through your soft flesh. But when you're made of stone, you don't need to wear armor. So anyways, thank you. Thanks out. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. Yeah, I think we need another five minutes on that. Okay. All right. Anyways, the late Hobgrots slitters. So here we get to the big news. Okay. So these little dudes are different. These little Hobgrots carry you can see the little thing they're carrying is a little grenade. Right. So they actually like throw these things and it has a little explosive thing. So I assume they'll probably have some kind of throw and deal like short range range attack. Right. Yep. Yep. And and the obviously they have a slightly different skin color because they aren't oryx like the rest of them. They are hobgrots. And you'll notice that their armor looks different. And as mentioned in the stream, the Hobgrots, which are the biggest number, you get 20 of these in the box. These have are the intermediaries in the army between the cruel boys and a darker force that is a dark mastery force that makes armor and creates things out of iron. This this feels like a moment where Tom would yell nailed it or called it. Yeah, absolutely. I don't know if you did, but that's what I'm feeling right now. Somewhere he's got a disturbance in the force. So yes, it's cast warps, folks. Of course, it's cast warps. They all but confirmed cast warps being where these guys trade with, which to me all but confirms yes, we're doing cast warps in plastic at some point in 3.0. Like I'll admit I'm making some moves there. Okay, no, no argument. But to me, this just says, yep, we're doing cast warps at some point. They these guys are the intermediary, the master that supplies the forces for these are cast warps. So they, you know, basically can to the cast or range. And I think they're going to bring them back in plastic. That's I really think this is the why would you put this kind of whole beat in here and model these things like this and narratively set this up if you're not planning at some point in 3.0 to do cast warps? Yeah, yeah, 100%. Right. Yeah. It just feels like such a like such a yep, it's happening. Yeah, moment. Was there any significance given to these little circles on the armor, which is an aesthetic throughout the range of cool boys? No, just just an aesthetic. Okay, right on. Yeah, I didn't know if that was like they did mention that like the reason the armor on these guys has different angles and shapes and their weapons look different and they have these explosive bombs they throw is because they get them from the cast. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, this is the unit that I like the least, but which is kind of part of the course for me personally. It's kind of like that. It's like they're skinks or, you know, they're a little, yeah, to not be a huge fan of those types of units. But hopefully you're not going to need to run, you know, 80 of these things as the most competitive version for the list. They're clearly going to be like your little one wound relatively low save sort of shaft unit. I mean, they carry little bombs that tells me they want to run up through other bombs and probably can run over, right? The fact that they actually openly talked about them as chaff in the stream, like and use the word chaff, right? Yeah. Yeah. It looks like we got 20 of them. So yeah, either meant 10 or meant 20, probably meant maybe meant 10. Hopefully meant 10. You know, like, yeah, probably meant 10 for the unit like this. But yeah. They do still have the longer torso, shorter leg aesthetic though that aligns. Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. It's really accentuated by the long armor on their torso, right? Like because they have this like long, thin armor down the center of their torso, it's like wearing like a super long, thin tie, just making it look like trying to extend to the torso with a visual trick to look even longer. Yeah, it should see if we get more of this aesthetic, you know, this is going to be like a little sub faction that's going to get fleshed out a little bit more, or if it's just more of a one off as part of the cruel boys. I don't think we got anything else that no, this is sort of a standalone aesthetic as part of the box for them. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So there you go. That's that's the box. But of course, there's then that we also got, we got to see the book, the core book, which he knew had this art on the cover, this fan, freaking Tastic Art of the Andrasta. Wonderful. We had the cards and that you like you said, you get the cards. My guess, here's what's going to be annoying. The box is going to come out and we'll have to wait like a month for the stormcast. I don't think at the same time. Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to remember if they I don't. Yeah, I think there was a bit of a delay with space marines and necrons, codecs, codices, yeah, from the Dominus box. Yeah. Yep. So there's going to be this awful delay period where we have all the units and kind of their abilities. We've got basic allegiance abilities on the card, but we don't have the actual full book. There's going to be this horrible one month period of just like where you have half an army, right? Right. I can't remember if they released the chapter prove, you know, equivalent of General's Handbook for us whenever they launched in Dominus. I think with what we've heard from the changes, they'll probably, I think what they'll do, like they'll clearly do a General's Handbook around the same time, but I think they'll probably just do points type of PDFs or something, right? Because they'll have to put out a whole new General's Handbook with like the new scenarios and how to play and everything around this. But again, who knows how all that's going to release. They've got a lot of stuff they need to shove into like two months of releases, right? You've got this, you've got all the new Stormcast kits, all the new Cool Boys kits, you've got the both of those books, you've got the General's Handbook, right? And that's assuming they don't launch anything else, like a terrain book or something crazy like they did for 40K. So I assume they'll put out like PDF points at the same time for everything to bring everybody in line. Side note, I think we're going to see points increases across the board. Well, I was going to ask you about that. Yeah, like that was my original sense. There seems to be a lot of folks think that we're mostly just getting point increases to some of these like named heroes. You know, I think when you look at like Kragnos, he looks over pointed to say the least. I mean, I, you know, when we talked about, I thought my original 6800 was going to be too high, but it's kind of trying to adjust for what I thought they might do. And that turned out to be too low. So there you go. But yeah, so you're thinking across the board, not just like, I'm thinking, yes, across the board points increase. Absolutely. I don't know what it'll be. 10%, 20%. Who knows? I'm sure it won't be exactly even like they'll take some units and say no, they'll take some units and say yes. There was a question that Chad, did they confirm the smaller board size? Yes, they did. During it, it'll be a 60 by 44 board. Are there going to be a battle tone for cruel boys? Yes. Can these go into auric auric lands? Yes. How do I think they'll integrate in easy their oryx and big walk and take oryx of any kind? So I think they'll just have the auric keyword, meaning they can go in there, but they'll also have their own cruel boys keyword for when they want to play in their allegiance. Same like iron jaws and bone splitters, right? Because the auric auric lands book is actually three books in one. Yep. Here's your iron jaws book. Here's your bone splitters book. Here's if you want to put it all together. Yeah. Yeah. I think I told you this, but my first test with big wall, you mentioned to me that the reason you didn't say you weren't liking big walls because of the missing smash and bash and then I was literally the thing that I needed that game in that first test with smash and bash and yeah, because it was screwing up the activations. Yep. Kragnos is 760 people asking the chat. Yeah, he's 760 points. Yeah. I just think we're going to see those across the board increases, which means that I think Doc is going to get double hit. So I said 740. Yeah, that's Illyrio. Yeah, Kragnos 760. Yeah, Illyrio 740, Kragnos 760. Right. So the, I think that I think that Doc are going to get double hit. Let me just, that's just, I'm swinging at it now. They've got to go to normal and then up. There's that. You know, remind you about JP Gannis's stats. You did see that, right? Yeah. You know, about how Doc, yeah, for players who are not top caliber, you know, lose the games that they're supposed to lose. So maybe, maybe Doc or not, you know, quite so under constant. Okay. So I'm just gonna let this video, they die to everything except for Marathi. But hey, yeah. All right, let's talk about our AOS 3.0 because they also gave us this video. So it doesn't really matter. Yes. So Nick Baton is painting and then Sigmar visits him, which I love. Sigmar doesn't act exactly like this, but it's a comedy thing in my mind. But that's okay. I like it. Sure. I do think it's funny. So yes, Sigmar's big glowing ball of light. That's perfectly fine. The point here is he's going to go to like eight things about the new edition. And really it's like six things probably because some of these aren't real, but that's all right. I haven't seen this guy. All right. So I'm going to let it play, but I will pause this when we get to the individual items so we can discuss each one of them in turn. So here are the eight new things that Sigmar himself is telling us about age Sigmar. Okay. One, the best rule said ever. Okay. Sure. Of course. Let's double down on that. Right. Just like I love when we say this. Yeah. Like guys, just, I mean, I'm guessing they probably did a little more tongue and cheek hopefully this time. Yes. But still like, okay, we get it. All right. Yeah. We've had this every damn time with the new, including in 40K. This is the best one ever. They all are, buddy. They all are like, what would be the alternative messaging? Right? Like they put out the new edition and the marketing information is, eh, it's not the best we've ever done. Right. We've done better in the past. It's pretty good. I mean, like seven out of 10. Right. Some of like Tom or me for that matter. Yeah. Like giving a very nuanced, yeah, two minute take on why, you know, it's, it's better, but here's what? Yeah. Yeah. Probably one more count. Yes. So whatever. Okay. I got number one was hilarious. I mean, as soon as that popped up, I was like, this is not a fact. Like they started off by saying eight facts. Oh, that was lovely. It's like, you're playing a little fast and loose with definitions there. Words mean things. Okay. That's all I'm saying. All right. Heroes are more heroic. Okay. So one of the things they explained in here and mentioned is that there will be more command abilities base. And this kind of relates to the, to the next ones. But heroes are more heroic. They said that there's heroes are going to have these new like heroic, I don't know what they call them actions, things they can do something. I don't know what words they used. They don't think they didn't, I don't think they called them intervention. So I don't think it's going to be like the 40 K thing where the hero kind of like, haha, jump into combat or whatever. But they said that like the heroes have something to do. So, so what this seems to say to me is not command points, because that they clearly separated like command points from whatever the heck they're talking about here. What it says to me is that heroes have some kind of like, here is a thing that just you are a hero by virtue of being a hero, you get to do something from this list or whatever, right, or some kind of ability, right? Okay. So I think we're going to see like some kind of action table or list or maybe something generic. I don't know. Maybe you have to like pick one for your hero to do, or maybe it's just something you can like pick every every game. I don't know. I don't know what it's going to be, but clearly like they're trying to make it so heroes probably act and have something regardless of their scroll. So even like a cheap throwaway hero could still do something. Right, right. So, okay, cool. Yeah, maybe that'll justify some of these points that we've been seeing recently. Yeah, or justify a little bit more. I hope so. I hope so. Yeah. If it's for all heroes, like the question is can all yours do it? Like can maybe even special characters do it? Hopefully so. If so, then I'm back in Kritsa even harder. Okay. So I love that they actually used Luca Vai, by the way, as the example here. So, right. Incidentally, I mean, I know on our show this week, we forgot to, we were talking about the coven throne of anyone interested in soul blight. One thing I was thinking like what we didn't mention at that show, we talked about the, what is it, the commandability, that great commandability, but the spell that can basically, we didn't discuss how you could just charge in that coven throne and, you know, have it. You can't fall back. Yeah. Yeah, I can't fall back, but where you can't do any damage. Is it just, well, wait, it's just one enemy unit, isn't it? One enemy unit can't fight it. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, I guess, yeah, I was thinking about, well, yeah, put that on Archeon or Marathi or whatever, then you charge in the coven throne. More or less, it's a pin piece. It's a pin piece. I don't remember if we, if we talked about that. We talked about that. We mentioned, I gave you an example. Yeah, no issue. Okay, cool. All right. So number three was deal monstrous damage. So this is going to be like a buff to monsters. Thank God. Okay. We've been, this has been a high horse I have been on forever. And what they basically said was, so something to do with like in the charge phase or at the end of like something like that, your monsters get to do things and Nick was like, what do they get to do? And he's like, you know, stomp and roar and smash. And like, that was the example of Sigmar. So what that tells me is again, monsters as a class, like if you're a monster, right, then you are going to have again, like when you charge, you get to choose to do like a thing. I don't know what the thing is, but something, my guess is it could be like, I think back to Warhammer again, if the charge reaction rumor is true, then so I then I'm like, okay, immediately my head goes to like old Warhammer fantasy and like, okay, big monsters used to have things like stomp and terror and impact hits and stuff like that. Right. So my guess is they'll probably just bring stuff that looks like that back. Right. We're like, okay, the you charge, you can just do some mortal wounds as impact hits, or you can like cause a big penalty to bravery or something or whatever, stuff like that. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. So that kind of feels like what they're, oh yeah, they said just the charge phase. So yeah, maybe it's not even when you, maybe it's not even when you charge, maybe it's just they get to do a thing in the charge phase. Who knows? That could be like just the time it triggers. So yeah. But chances are they'll have some kind of like all monsters, just like all heroes, right? They'll say, hey, here's the, oh, that's right. They did confirm the charge reactions. Yeah. So, so we know that that's kind of a thing in some way or another. Gosh, we're going to have like something to do. Yeah. I mean, we're potentially getting a ton of play in your opponent's turn. Oh, well, it's funny you say that, Tyler. It's so funny. Because we might, Sigmar might have something to say to you about that in just a moment, Tyler. All right. Here's what I want out of monsters. Okay. Fine. On all that, I like monsters doing more stuff. Give me some kind of generic rule where monsters as monster keyword count as like three models or five models on an objective. Not as good as ogre monsters. Ogre monsters do it better, but like make it so my giant terrifying monster. I'd accept two. Let me, really, I'd accept two. Okay. But just like make monsters count as more than one thing on an objective. I will accept any number between two and five and I'm happy. Somewhere in there. Yeah. We've long wanted that. Well, a lot of this in the community have long wanted something like that. Yeah. I think I told you a long while back, Jeff, now I'm in a siege world that he had tried it out one year, but it was the year of slanesh and fech when they were dominating and he set the amount too high at 10 models. Yeah. Way too high. I don't want that high because that that robs others and the special things like ogres and giants just still do it better. So yeah, there you go. Yeah. Five, three. Yeah. Sure. Absolutely. Second is the new first. So here they were just reconfirming what they had what Ben had given us in the last stream that when you go second, you will get more command. Right. Oh, did they confirm that that's a general rule? Not like limited. Okay. Yeah. So if you go second, you get more command points. That's what that that's I mean, that's basically what Sigmar says here. Right. You get more command points to use abilities to withstand your enemy's assault. I should do Sigmar's voice in the future. Call me up. I got this pretty good. I got this TW all phoned it in. I mean that by I will phone it in to you. I'll call you and give you the voice. I don't mean I'll I'll give a half effort. I promise I will give my all. Okay. So yeah, cool. We already basically do that from what Ben had said before in the previous stream. So cool. Okay. Okay. Good. Yeah. Which says then I think we're then going to lead into your next item here. There it is. No more downtime. Oh, perfect. Okay. Tyler, here's my thought. And I like they said this so clearly. They obviously heard the community's concern that like during my enemy's turn, I kind of sit there and watch things happen until the combat phase. Right. So let's say those hero actions are a thing and you do those in every turn. Like, right, that would make sense then. Okay. So then in the hero phase, I probably have something to do because that's probably when the heroes will do their hero thing. Right. Yeah. And then monsters probably do a thing in every charge phase. Right. And then we know there's these new command abilities that are like charge reactions or something like that. Right. These kind of reactive command abilities is what they mentioned. You know, so and the rumors have been like stand and shoot or, you know, somebody comes near you, you can, you know, move back a d6 or whatever. Right. Or like stand your ground to gain a bonus to save or whatever. Right. So what that clearly what they're going for is you have, so what that would make it is that when it's your turn, you're kind of on the push, but your enemy isn't just sitting there taking it, they're kind of pushing back too. Right. So it becomes this thing like this. You know what I'm saying? Like kind of a rocking back and forth where like you have the advantage you're, you've got Uncle Mo is on your side when it's your turn, but your enemies not just sitting there doing nothing. They're actively pushing back against you. Right. Yeah. It becomes this rock back and turn to turn. So yeah. Now dig it. Like I think that's the best thing I've heard. If they have it like there's a downside to this, the dangerous side to this is that it could make games really long. Right. So the devil is definitely going to be in the details here. If they implement this right, it will make the game feel way more engaging because it'll feel like during, you know, during your turn, your opponent's turn, you're like executing on stuff and, um, you know, you're like, you're responding to what they do and you're, you're taking actions, you're moving away from them, you're standing and shooting them, whatever, like, whatever the stuff is, right? Yeah. Cool. You feel engaged. If that's done well and efficiently and controlled to where you don't have an overwhelming number of command points and you have to make smart decisions about when you do it, right, then it's going to be good. If it's like you're doing it all the time, then the game will just grind to a halt. So have they given any more details on the amount of CP we might be generating here in 3.0? Not really. No. Okay. They said more, right? Right. Right. That could be more than one. Sure. Like, if you averaged two around, which honestly is what I would hope, like, let me just state that. I don't want to see it any more than that, right? I want it to be a precious resource. I think it's one of the things that makes the game good. But I mean, going to two would be more. That is, two is objectively more than one, right? So I don't know. Yeah, I thought, I mean, there's a lot of speculation around for each hero that can count as a general, maybe you get one per general. I think that's too many. You could really spend that. Yeah. I think it'd be better if it was like, if you have any general alive, you get a bonus one or something. Sure. That would be the way to go for it, right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see. Not long now, I suspect. They said this will release in June. Oh, wow. Okay. And I am going to put a pin on a date. You ready? Here's my guess. My guess for the date, I need to actually look at the calendar. I think I know what the exact Saturday is, but I need to make sure I'm saying the right Saturday is my calendar. There it is. Okay. So I think our release date is going to be June, what is that, 26th, I guess, or whatever that day is. Yeah, that last, the last Saturday of June, that's what I'm guessing. I had to figure out what the date was for the last Saturday of June. I think that's the date. Yeah, 26. Yeah, there you go. I think that like, they'll just sneak it in under the wire. So you think pre-order or release? Release. I think it'll pre-order in the middle of June. They'll probably do a standard two week pre-order. Yeah. Right. Gotcha. Okay. But I think June 20, because they said you will be able to get this in June. Okay. So I'm going to say it releases June 26th. That's my guess. Nice. There you go. We'll find out. Our other things that are worth talking about here. So blah, blah, blah, downtime. Yes, you can react to people. It's super cool. We'll see how that plays out. I'm hopeful. I'm super hopeful. I'm scrolling ahead in the video here. Do more with magic. Yeah. So endless spells. Endless spells. Predatory endless spells now move in both players hero phases, not out of phase anymore. They just, so what predatory is clearly going to mean is that it moves more, because they specifically said predatory endless spells. I don't think they will be out of control anymore because the Necroquake is over. I've said for a while, I think what they're going to do is get rid of the, you know, out of control nature of predatory. And instead, if you summon a predatory endless spell, you get to activate it multiple times. So now in my hero phase and your hero phase, I'll get to keep activating it and driving it around, which also then speaks to the nature of doing more in your opponent's turn, right? It would align with that no more downtime thing. And it, like, I think what they really want to do is try to make spells like Ravanax gnashing jaws and the burning head and the purple sun and all these things that we just never see played because they don't do enough, do enough, right? Sure. Right. So like I'm, I'm all for it. Like I would love to see those basic endless spells, especially like the basic predatory ones that have been part of the game for a long time. They look super cool, right? Like the grave tide and the burning head and the purple sun. I'd love to see those things out on the table. Yeah. So it just sounds cool to me. Let's make them playable. Yes, it's great. That does mean we have to get, you know, some of the predatory ones that are real bad, like Daemon Rift under control. New scroll, please. So there you go. I do not want a double activating Daemon Rift. Sounds like a nightmare. Yeah. New ways to build your army. Double activation. Okay, good. No, I'm good. Okay. I'm good. All right. New ways to build your army. They said this is when they were talking about the new Corps of Italians, that this is the stuff you can use. Okay. So they just, yep, you're going to have new Corps of Italians. They will let you sometimes do some cool stuff. That's the information we got. Like, okay. Great. Great. Hope they're good. I have nothing else to say about it because you didn't give us anything else. I hope they're very cool. And then our last one, so like you can, you can build your armies and get lots of neat, unique stuff. I can't believe it. And then, you know, Nick tells the joke of there can't be anything else. I said there's eight. That's only seven. Okay. We got it, Sigmar. You're very funny. He's a funny cat. That's Sigmar. And then this is the ultimate narrative campaign. So basically saying, Hey, did you like Crusade? Oh, sure. So did we. Well, Path to Glory is Crusade now. Okay. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Look forward to that. Hopefully. Yeah. Crusade. I heard a lot of good things about it. Never, never tried it. But yeah, I know a lot of people who really dig it. Yeah. Like, there's a lot of people who really love Path to Glory. And I know a lot of 40 K groups that just play Crusade. Right. Because like that's their thing. I know that there's a lot of people who make fun of Crusade as a system in the sort of competitive scene. But there's a lot more people playing Crusade than there are playing competitive tournaments. So just by raw number, I'm just saying they're the majority. So there you go. And I think that's what they're trying to bring to Path to Glory. I continue to say, though, as someone who generally doesn't play in that system, although I'll give it a look with the new thing. I like I think Crusade super cool. And I hope that they that the new Path to Glory slash Crusade system is awesome. But please put it in a different section of the book. Thank you. Yes. All I ask. All I ask. I love it. I want to exist. Just put it in different sections of the book. If it helps you, I think of you every time that I hear somebody complain about it. James says, have we had any confirmations of War Scroll battalions are going narrative only as was rumored? I mean, it's the writing is 99% on the wall, James. In the same way I said, if you look at all the signs, we're getting 60 by 44 tables. I'm going to tell you the same thing. You know, every rumor, every sign, every mention is that those battalions are going into narrative only. So have we had official confirmation yet? No. Would I bet a significant amount of money on it? Yep. Yep. So that's that's my answer to you, James. Okay. And then what's next after Dominion? Here you go. So our new Knight Judicator. So not just a regular Judicator, but a Knight. So a character Judicator with this massive Terminus Longbow and his two little Griffhound buddies, which these are amazing looking Griffhounds, like these sculptures are so good. So yeah, look at this big boy. Oh man. Woo. Yeah, great, right? Isn't he exciting? I think those Griffhounds absolutely. Yeah. All right. Nice. So we've said we're getting more stuff. This is clearly the first of that. There's one on the way in a second. Go ahead, Tyler. You love Stormcast. Tell me what you think about this, dude. Yeah, no, that was one of the rumors is that we're going to get a new unit of archers. And so yeah, this guy is amazing. Oh my God. Yeah, he's going to be hitting on twos, winning on twos, minus three, ran six damage. Let's make it happen. Called it. Just long shotting people to death. Just pow pow. Yep. Take that nightmare. You got nothing. And then the Storm Strike chariot. So yeah. Okay. I'm disappointed. I'm not. Yeah, I'm not sure about this chariot either. That's what I'm saying. There was a lot of people really excited about this chariot. And here's what I'll say. The bigger Griffhounds, like the Leonin Griffhounds or whatever, looks super cool. I mean like those guys look awesome. No argument there. Okay. I super dislike this chariot. This holds no interest to me whatsoever. I hope this thing isn't good. If it is, I'm completely remodeling it from the ground up. Is it too, okay. Yeah, it feels, well, it feels too simple. Exactly. Like not in an elegant way. It's so simple. It literally just looks like a Roman chariot, right? Or something. Yeah. I mean with weird fantasy monsters on it, pulling it, but still. Right. Yeah, that's kind of, that's strange because I mean often simple is fantastic, you know, from like an elegant standpoint. But yeah, the wheels, it digs the helmets, but yeah, there's just, I don't know, this weird visual disconnect. I'm having looking at it. I'm trying to think what would, what would help it? Maybe something that's coming off like, like a back shirt. Yeah. Yeah, that would be, that would be amazing. But maybe a nice, something going on the back, like a back piece or, yeah, something with some height to it maybe or statue. I don't know. Yeah, it's not working. Yeah, it has this very like, again, it doesn't land for me. And I know this is a controversial opinion because I know there's like a lot of people who really love this chariot and who are so excited about sort of a very standard chariot coming back to AOS. I have, again, swaggy shadow saying, what, this is my favorite thing shown today. So I get it. I get it. I'm not, that's not me judging you. If you love it, I am stoked for you. Okay. Yeah. But simple chariots like this have always been the thing that appealed to me the least in Warhammer. I, you know, my chariots, you know, I like slainess chariots because they're big, ridiculous nightmares of spiky wheels and weird things going everywhere and cauldrons of blood with staircases and giant statues on them. And, you know, just over the top nonsense, right? Right, right. And Tom, Tom Swift talk chariots. Right. Right. Yes, exactly. Swift talk chariot stuff like that. So to me, it's just it's too simple. That's that's that's the answer. I, you know, again, if people love it because that's what they love about it, they love the simple aesthetic. They think it is a classic chariot looking thing. It's very Romanesque. Then I get it. I have zero pushback for that. I understand why you like it. No problem. Right. But those helmets, those helmets rock. It's not doing it. I do like their helmets. Yes. Yeah. Not fully. Yeah. The helmets not fully like they're not fully covering their face. Yeah. Am I seeing that right? Yeah, they're like here and then she knows just it's a two part helmet so it can come up. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. All right. So did they say anything else in terms, you know, like are we going to get our flying drakes? Well, they said there's more. Okay. Okay. They said there are more units coming for both the cruel boys and the storm cast. So I remain hopeful that we will get our whatever that means that we will get our dragon cavalry. Yeah. But they did not show it here. And it says, yeah, of course the cruel boys aren't quite done either. They should give you some idea of what else you can expect. So there are two cruel boys models we'll talk about here. So first off is the Beast Skewer Killbow. Look at this thing, Tyler. Look at this guy firing a tree with a barred thing on the end. Chris Tomlin's dream right there. There you go, Chris. There it is. They finally got it for you, buddy. So yeah, big giant artillery piece. My favorite part about this model, again, I do like these aesthetically but they don't speak to me as something I'd want to collect. That being said, my favorite part about this model is this dude with the axe on the back. Like I love his weird long head. You really can see just the length of their heads there, right? They have this very like Henson's workshop type of thing, right? That's a good shout. Yeah. Like they came out of a labyrinth or something. So I just I really love that dude with his little axe up in the air. I think he looks cool, kind of defending the big giant Beast Skewer Killbow. Yeah, 100%. I love this model. He's like holding a tree trunk. Yeah, exactly. Just boom. And they have like a spare one to fire, yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. It's not on the ground. It has no back brace that I can see, right? It's just him literally, like he's shouldering this thing. Yeah, he's gonna go. Oh, it's very, very funny. And then of course, Tyler, we have one more question that we have to answer in this show, okay, which is who runs Barnartown? And the answer is Master Blaster. Okay. Nice. So the this is obviously super duper, duper Master Blaster, but this is the break up boss on Meyerbrut Trogoth. So yeah, this is a one of the orcs, a boss orc writing a tamed troll. And that's a little fun aesthetic notes here, like he's branded with the same one eye brand that is also the gut plate is also the boss's gut plate. So like they have shared little, little armor plates, and stuff like that. He has this little Biden's as they called it, this little stabby pokey hoarding stick. This was a round engine, by the way. We saw the Biden's we had hoped maybe it was new molder. It is not. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I remember that now. Yeah. Yeah, Warboss Kurgan is going to have a busy day updating all of the all of the rumor engines that are here scattered around this, this, this reveal. Yeah, this dude's super cool. Obviously, new Trogoth is cool. So good looking troll. I really like him. He has a nice stance to him. Like all the trolls, they have the oversized arms, you know, again, the alien proportions in different ways for the trolls is the oversized arms for the orcs here. It's the oversized torsos. So yeah, troll looks incredible. And another Lord of the Rings inspired. Absolutely. You know, yeah, the with the cave or whatever that that troll was, you know, that they controlled with the with the black gate. Yep. Yep. One of the things that was pointed out, somebody just mentioned it in the chat, I think Adam pointed out during the stream. Notice that he's got a little back pillow. So that the because this guy's writing in a little stick, like he has a law that is there that that orcs sitting on it. So it doesn't chafe the the troll he they set him up with a little pillow. So that way it's doesn't hurt him. So thoughtful. Absolutely. Like he takes good care of his, his, uh, his Meyer Brute Trogoth. That's nice, you know? So that's that's very friendly. And there you go. And then finally, there is a novel that will ultimately be there as well. So it says the Dominion Box will be available to pre-order in June. It'll be available as stocks last and stuff like that. So there you go. That's amazing, man. That's everything. We talked about all of our 3.0 guesses. Summary stuff in case anybody didn't catch earlier. Yes, they confirmed the 60 by 44 tables. They confirmed that the, uh, orc side, the cruel boys can go into orc worklands, but can also stand on their own. New battle tomes for both are coming. The price for the big box, they said will likely be close to Indomitas. They were being cheeky. Indomitas was 125 pounds or $200. So assuming lately to be the same price or slightly more like 135 to 10 to 20 somewhere in that range, uh, the battle tomes will probably be slightly delayed after the um, uh, after the, um, this release of this big box. And so then, uh, so it's coming soon. Basically, we don't have long to wait. I mean, my guess is we're going to see a couple weeks of stuff after this. Like my guess, we're going to see about two weeks of stuff, you know, articles just to hypen up then pre-order then it released at the end of the June. That's all a guess. I don't know anything, but that it feels like that's what we're building toward here. Right. Beginning of May, we got our, uh, we got sort of the fest reveal. Now this show in the box, you know, that, that's sort of their hype train speed. Right. That would be the, back when I originally predicted the eight week cycle, that would all fit. That's kind of what I'm still running on. Everything has matched to my, my eight week guess timeline so far. So I'm sticking to it. Yeah, fair enough. Are you excited? Oh yeah, man. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. I'm going to save up a lot of money because these, uh, I hate saying this because it just makes you feel better, which I, you know, don't want to have that, but, uh, having so much fun with iron jaws and yeah, the idea of, you know, complimenting them with a little bit of range power, the, uh, be so much fun. And then the storm cast are just insanely cool. Can't wait to see it. Yeah. The full release. Love what they're talking about with heroes and monsters, you know, like give us more reasons to actually put single model pieces on the table. That sounds amazing. Hopefully that'll, you know, maybe we'll get a little bit more of that in mission design, uh, secondaries, you know, probably a fair number of secondaries that, that will fit in with monsters and heroes, maybe seemingly. Uh, so, yeah. Digging all that. That sounds great. Uh, yeah, man. I don't know. I feel like I'm being too positive. I'm really excited. No, I'm, I'm super excited. I like, again, there's a potential dark side here. We'll have to wait and see. Like you could design this stuff badly. Okay. But my hope is, you know, I saw a lot of people who were playtesters 3.0. They kind of, once they announced it, they had kind of tweeted this new edition is the best. I can't wait to share it with you. And there are people who, who's opinions in the community, I generally like respect and think highly of. Um, like people who I think generally have like a really good sense of what makes a game fun. And so my hope is that they're leading us in the right direction and that they were, they gave good feedback and we helped stay away from the darker paths we could go down. And what we're going to get out of this is a really, really solid, uh, really solid edition. Um, you know, somebody asked earlier, are we adding complexity and getting toward Warhammer fantasy? You know, and my answer is it's a, it's always a worry, right? It's always a threat. And so I think getting rid of all of the battalions is actually one of the things I'm most happy about because that just cuts a huge swap of complexity out of the game. If they go down to just say these, these four, six, eight core battalions, right? Great. Easy. That's simplified, right? We cut out a huge part of complexity brought into this. Less pointing, we have to balance, less nonsense, less things you have to remember. We all know the same thing. I hope that they actually are like that with some other things. Like I hope we trim some stuff. Like we need to be pruning at the same time we're growing, right? These addition changes should be like a bonsai tree. You know, here, you know, your tree is growing, but you gotta prune back those little pieces that go out of, out of, out of whack, right? Yeah, totally. Yeah. The main thing, I'm a little worried about some of these rumors with regard to potential increasing of durability in the game. Sure. That, yeah, that's one piece I'd be curious to see. And then of course, you know, we need to see what the power projection landscape looks like. You know, that's, that's been a bit of an issue since early 2020. And that's, that's still the place that we're in. But, you know, we've talked a lot about that over the months and how, you know, it's, I don't think it's going to take too much to clean that up. A lot of it is just getting some of these top, top armies a little more in line with the rest of the fields. Yeah. And then, yeah, terrain, you know, like Robin, you talked a lot about terrain keywords. Presumably, we're going to get something 40k-ish in the core book. One hope. That will lay that, that will lay that out. Yeah. One would hope that would hopefully help there as well. And then the shorter board sizes are going to help seemingly melee armies too. Right. So yeah, I don't know. Well, we'll see. We'll see what happens where we stand on the precipice of big change. I for one am very, very excited. I can't wait. I can't wait to turn all those beautiful storm cast into rat cast. I've got to go find my scaven bits that I'm going to use. It's going to be a fantastic project. I am so excited. But for all of you out there, tell us what you think. Drop that down in the comments. Don't forget, thank you all for hanging out with us today. This has been so much fun. Don't forget, if you are interested, we did release a game yesterday. I'll mention it quickly here at the end. Rain and Hell, our new Uncle Adam and I's new skirmish. Making sure it's agnostic, fast, brutal, fun skirmish war game is out now. You can find the links and all the information down below for that. So check that out if you haven't already. We really appreciate it. We're super excited to launch this weekend. It's a big news weekend. So much going on. But thank you very much, everybody, for watching this. This has been so much fun to do this. Thank you, Tyler, for jumping on on a Saturday. Thank you all for watching. Hit that like button. Subscribe if you haven't already. Tell us down in the comments what you're excited for, what you like, what you don't like in the new item. And as always, we'll see you next Wednesday.