 Eight tails of hot. Who is on this? Who's this random black guy? Who's the corn? Raptor butt trilogy Man pounds dinosaur billionaire ass Hounded by politics nine tails of civic butthole diplomacy Unicorn tinglers, I mean I can if you want to read some of this stuff. It's great The final days of founding a My god, dr. Chuck tingle Calls himself a doctor a pound a day keeps the butt, okay Do you want to hear some of the titles here some of the titles if I may read them? Right, so he's got Pounded in the but by my own but so you get to pay his own buttocks. That's one of them. He's most popular ones There is he's got Slammed by the substantial amount of press generated by my book pounded by the pound turned gay by the social economic Implications of Britain leaving the European Union Massive run-on sentence there space raptor butt invasion The federal government shuts down my butt My billionaire triceratops craves gay ass The one else we got we've got Heavy metal unicorn lawyer sings into my butthole legally Oh, okay. See that's at least it's legal. Yeah. Yeah, there's this one where he's it's called pounded by the pound turned gay by Economic implications of Britain leaving the European Union. It's a Brexit Gay erotica Gay t-rex law firm executive boner Because they're so subtle Oh my goodness. Ah, yes, and glazed by the gay living doughnuts I have to I like this like really dark looking one the complete guide to the voice And it's got like the Illuminati symbol on it. Looks like he lost his mind at some point very recently Well, nothing I have might have shown a mind to lose but What am I like rags? No You who aren't aware who chuck tingle is he is this I think he's eccentric no he fucking is eccentric I don't think there's any I think about it But he he makes a living out of these crazy gay erotica novels And I think someone did I think he didn't ask me anything on Reddit or something like that But he might be autistic as well. So he's this artistic gay Erotica right and he writes all these books where it's pounded in the butt by something something sentient and something crazy He also has a thing for dinosaurs as well. So you get like business executives who are so dinosaurs But also are gay. It's fucking bizarre But we've been reading some of his stuff on Did I just want to mention we are live just you know put now. Yeah, it's all good I put a suitable image on the screen for what you guys are describing. Thank you rags courtesy of rags What you that what you just sent I put it on screen just so that people can understand the context of what we're just I really like I've got breakfast on the brain Mm-hmm Uh-huh, cuz it's the daily for you guys, right? British people is late. Oh, we breakfast on the brain. No, I just got breakfast on the brain Someone said when I clicked on the stream notification. I wasn't expecting gay political erotica. I mean, that's beautiful This is how it works. Um, it's reading this one. Uh, it's a gaze by the glaze by the gay Oh, oh my goodness. I've actually got access to some of that. Do you want me to read some of this? What the actual thing what would you like me to read it stargazing which one? Glazed by the gay doughnuts I mean go ahead. Give us a paragraph. See what we'll see what's going on in this thing. Okay, so Uh So at first I got to set up the law of this there's some serious world building to this it's set in the world where there are gay Sentient doughnuts these are living doughnuts and they've been persecuted in Europe for being gay They're outlawed gay sentient doughnuts are outlawed and so they hang out in the cd doughnut brothels in America and And this story is about these four gay guys from California who go You know to the beach and they're really bored of you know gay sex and all that and they heard rumors of this this gay doughnut bar so they go scouting for it uh so, uh Here we go There was hedonism in the streets once the promiscuous nature of these living baked goods was completely exposed Human doughnut fucking was entirely outlawed gay straight all of it The ruling led to a whole slew of human rights arguments But despite the fact that living doughnuts could talk think and even love They were still not considered to be legally human and therefore not afforded the same basic privileges Jordan rolls over on the blanket and paces me propping himself up on his arm First of all, there are no gay doughnuts here in the united states. Thanks to the pastry fucking act of 2016 I Sure not out floating around in public, but they're still here I offer You just need to find the right doughnut shop I sit up and look to my left far far down the beach where the stores became stranger and sometimes less than legal They sell weed down there like it's nothing. I say I bet we can get a read on a hot gay doughnut bar It's not long before we find a local coffee shop with a mysterious round symbol stuck inconspicuously On the outer window a signal to those of us who know what to look for Our group heads inside trying to act as casual as possible The man helping us is young and fun a surfer dude who surprisingly handsome for being covered in tattoos with more piercings than I can count His shop is only a small walk at the main drag of souvenir stands and bong boutiques that line the graffiti covered Covered uh covered beach boardwalk What would you like the handsome young guy asks the dark roast is fresh Actually, I'm not really in the mood for coffee. I tell him my heart beating hard within my chest How about a doughnut Oh, yeah, we've got those the man says nodding apple fritter maple bar I hesitate for a moment not quite sure how to go about this Do you have anything a little gayer The man freezes for a moment then glances around to make sure our small group of friends are the only people in the store The coast is clear, but he still seemed skeptical of me But why why would you think we had living gay doughnuts here the man? Why indeed sir, did you want me to continue? I mean fuck, uh, we've got so many things to get through. I don't know the so here's the thing I don't I'm worried about spoilers at this point Well, I've actually got the bit where he does actually it's it's skipped a bit because of this is an amazon inside Look, but I've got to the bit where it's the saucy bit. So it's up to you Put it. Oh, we should we should leave that to the end. Yeah, put a put a thing on it And uh, we'll just get through our selection of tisms and then we'll try and bring it in at the end to finish off because Fuck, we'll we'll probably have an hour intro on this one now. Um, but yeah, what I should say is welcome to fucking Ethat We made another we're actually yeah live I don't know it's not it's not over. We're still going. Yes. The party continues Uh, our guest today. I gotta introduce him wolf. I know you want to speak all the time over everyone. It's disgusting But I gotta get I know it's terrible. I'm sorry. I'm sorry Gay themes Voxys productions a man who who is not a man at all. He's actually Is it all behind the fact that you're a puppet? Is this some kind of Turn not to break the fourth wall. Uh, just are you a sentient gay puppet? Yeah, it was there like a science experiment gone wrong or was it just, you know, Well, it's it's up for interpretation. Did you fall in radioactive stuff and just did things? But yes, you uh, you review lots of media, don't you and you are celebrating Is it a four-year celebration of five-year today is the five-year anniversary? Wonderful. Um How has it been on youtube for those five years fun horrifying one of those two both hard work hard work Um, but well worth it got some lovely lovely fans and I get to meet some very interesting people like here I am on on this podcast surrounded by furries and a guy in a gas mark It's like being in a german fetish club. Yeah, that's wonderful. Actually not too far away from the truth Anyway, so, you know, we're happy to have you on board. So we're gonna be Doing some really weird things today. Uh, you've seen the salad fingers video, right? I'm sure you're a kind of person that would have seen that What are you implying that I'm sort of degenerate freak? No, it's British. That's why of course the salad fingers is a very upstanding gentleman. Wolf rags. Have you guys seen that new I'm aware of I'm aware of I saw I saw some of it And yeah, it's it's just an ultimate test of how much can you take before you stop watching it because it's just I haven't watched Well, I watched the whole thing it's it's like disgusting for the sake of disgusting But there's loads of themes with salad fingers undeniable themes. I liked one of the top comments on the video was like, um We've known him for so long. I'm like invested in the In in salad fingers. I get people want good things to happen to him. He's the creepiest fucking thing ever Um, but the best part of it Was that they were they were making something some kind of food in in this episode and one of the ingredients was spider milk So I really yes, uh, it must be a reference to e-fap. Oh man. I'll clearly I'm so glad that um We have fans in high places. Yep 100 percent. I was I was impressed. Um How does one milk a spider? Why the fuck am I asking that? I mean jay's not here. He's our resident milker Well, he's in the chat. You can ask him and I'll keep an eye out for his response. Jay. How do you milk a spider? Why why do people think I hate resident evil 2? How could you hate it? I did check the comments in the last video or like talking about how you don't like resident evil 2 It's fine. I guess Speaking of which I fully approve of my android counterpart I think I should have him on more often since he's apparently better at gaming than you guys God yeah, he came close to annihilating all three of us Rags beaten though. It's all good. I did But he cheated because he made the game go on too long Because I got all I got all the pain. He killed chungus a couple times. He did actually yeah Like straight up execution style hit. Wasn't that like the the first fucking thing he does is he kills chungus? And it's like holy shit. This is the terminus. It's setting the tone He's trying to fucking send us a message. He's like you're next Oh, yeah, he looked at the screen when he did that but it was vengeance for wolf Wolf did you build the bar or was it something like god gave you or whatever? He was like, here you go Look, I can't just give away my secrets to how I made wolfbot 2000 2000, huh? There you go guys. That's a cool. The 1000 series wasn't exactly good. Oh Um, yeah, there's a there's a couple people who are concerned that efab gaming is going to replace normal efabs like no No, no, no, it'll never like be that we stop Looking at videos and only play games Isn't it? Yeah Nice way to unwind and obviously it's not for everybody But I mean it's nice for us to just actually hang out and play a video game as opposed to Trying to generate some good arguments about exploring Fucking media while also trying to be a vaguely entertaining, you know It's a different sort of thing. I mean, I happen to think the cloning marines Playthrough was like really good This is just so much that that's uh hilarious. I believe someone's made a compilation Do you remember the name of the channel birdsy lope with the sun? There you go Well, he makes a lot of efab compilations You'll be able to see all the best moments from it if you don't want to watch the um entire thing He missed some good moments though But oh well, it's fair enough, uh the Yeah, so the point will be like there's a couple of ideas like a lot of people like oh do um Do jack box games obviously cards against humanity definitely came up. Um It was the left for dead one. It's always going to be an idea And then we'll probably just be looking for co-op games that are really bad or really good And we can do some form of a challenge on it or just party games or anything But it's not going to be This this is not like a scheduled like we do it once per month or anything even though Who knows we shall see but um, it's just We've been talking on a great british podcast and yeah, we might do left for dead. So if you guys Want to do Four side left for dead Our guys versus your guys um Up to you Rags doesn't like the versus It's really it's really it's really awful Would you play it just for the meme though rags the efab versus the great british podcast I mean if you want yeah, all right The losers have to make uh videos If we run run at the same time Oh, because it's just we get destroyed. That's not necessarily true But what we could do is both both podcasts try and complete no mercy on veteran. We race it Yeah, let me see what what games have um eight players. Let's see. Let me see one of the four. Um I'm sure there's It can't be too like twitchy based because of the ping between the across the ocean But we could I mean, I'm sure there's ones out there that we can definitely we'll be able to find something Yeah, like Chinese checkers battle royale I'm curious how even we would do like the crossover of the the seven man podcast No, six man podcast if if efabs all about responding to videos and you guys are all about discussing things. How does that even happen? Maybe part one part two your fucking chaos. So bring it on beautiful. It'll happen one day Impressive xcom. Some people just think minecraft Fallout 76 is eight player co-op. Let's do it It's like genuinely good. Oh, yeah But with the pain doesn't will cause some issues doesn't replace tight fall three You know the meme of how every time you look back at tlj. Something else is wrong Yeah So someone tweeted this at me If you if you pay attention to how ray is shooting the fucking tie fighters at the Crate battle in tlj. It makes no sense at all because uh She's shooting at a 90 degree angle with the turret above here and the window facing outwards even though the falcon itself is just flying Straight down and it's weird because tfa got this right The tlj did dry and you can't even get the shape of the millennium falcon right And there's six movies about it And come on. Come on. Come on. Ryan has done some good. He you know mola wouldn't be where he is without ryan johnson A lot of youtubers as a citizen mola ryan johnson is a job creator. Yes And he's also given what but he's still fucked up because he created jobs where people are ripping on him There's someone in the chat called quitting was a mistake Dude, you need to see this. I just saw it on twitter. I don't know if I should put this on screen or not Oh Why do you have this You you have to be up on the memes to be able to know the relevance. I'm sorry. I know who these Uh, I just don't want to see them talk to us It's like oh god. I can't believe I'm saying that jared actually looks Okay, if we have to suffer then the chat has to suffer to I've put it on brother They can see they can see God damn Anti viagra right there Um, but yeah, I think I'm I'm happy for us to jump into the first of the uh, we got Before memes There's more than that that exists and I know that there's people who are like, please watch this one more than four We're we're gonna get to them. We're gonna get where's my watch together Oh my god, is that what he looks like without a shirt? Jesus christ You guys Does he not to look it does jared not look like really good and jared actually does look really good there Like jared. Oh my god. I can't believe he looks like he actually looks Not awful like he reasonable Yeah, I mean, what who would you rather be looking up at eric or jared? Oh, fucking jared No, no question in my mind. I think I'd rather be looking down the barrel of a gun We'll be looking down a barrel all right, but done the guns work on you know puppets. I don't know Oh, I've seen this All right, so this is our first meme of the day. It's from little potato. Hold up. Hold up I gotta click the link for some reason. I Very good to you guys, isn't he's always Potato is a good boy. He I mean look at the detail already the fact that the Outer end is focused in the film So he's he's unfocused wolf's face because that would that would be how it would be if he was in the film He loves way too much effort into this and it's kind of scary Like it's genuinely terrifying like the quality of some of these memes. Do you think he has like a little shrine Dedicated to your I don't know if I want to know that I think I want to shrine me daddy. I think somebody had this prepared Cut off little bits of pubic hair and stick them on the altar What why not right? Uh, so I I you guys go to see this No, no, no, I just go send this on twitter. I think they prepaid it for this Oh my god, that's amazing Is that who made this I don't well, this is the thing it came from big gel twitter. Is that supposed to be jj big? So i'm pretty sure right? Yeah, that's gotta be jj. The gloss is awful Oh my god In fairness, we were the ones that told people to do or at least I was the one that told people to do it So I guess it's kind of my fault the second you theorize that you're like this has to be done It's important Well, I mainly did it just because I really wanted j to have to live with this for the rest of his life I want it to haunt him later on like when he's 70. He'll like think back to jj pinks jj pinks will fly. Oh, dude, you know what? Uh, he was he did a um Like a video on shawnes video on uh star was I don't know if any of you guys saw that who j Yeah, he he he called it how not to defend tlj and um He just tackled a few shawnes arguments and one of the comments in the video was um Uh, I don't like how much time j is spent on efab. I think it's starting to change his work or something like that I was like, oh, they were like, I don't like this They oh, yeah, that was the comment that said that um We think there has to be justification for people not being a straight white male Oh, fuck. Yeah, I heard about that. Um, wait, it was on my desk. That was that was the comment Hold up. There was a comment that I saw Where the this guy was saying, oh, you shouldn't hang around with those those guys. They're very unsavory people I don't know why you'd hang around with people who think there has to be justification for a character not being a straight white male I love what they can draw out of what we say is fascinating And then we're just sitting here looking at jj big I gotta scroll up so I don't see eric taxon's fucking ugly face Jesus christ So is everybody ready to watch this wonderful meme that i'm gonna have to pause as well because it is rogue one after all Yeah There's a lot of relevant stuff that's very meaningful to what you're trying to say that you cut out and didn't talk about This was on purpose Shut up you smug cunt It's perfect Avengers music And as far as retcons go Did you guys notice there's an actual name that the memers have like applied to that it's the jrc 170 like the jr jared rc Oh Yeah, I was like this video is slightly longer than I'd expect for no no entrance. It was like, oh wait this ball What the fuck film you are drunk? Oh I can't wait for this sequel. No That's really good. Um, I that's one of my favorites Oh, yeah, it's a good one. It's a really good one I'm starting to wonder when people are gonna start like looking back and finding all the choice quotes they can actually use because uh It seems like everybody has to use that. It's like everybody uses the same dog bark as well Yeah, I've never even made that sound whoever did that first like they set the trend What racks is bark? What am I looking at? Oh my god, this is this is interesting somebody made a buffy meme So I'm the only person here all the time you fucking understand the source, but it's Relatively clear. No, I saw this I saw this one. Oh, I've seen why it's referencing. Yeah. Um, yeah, I got it Yeah, just for context This is this is a creature that can't be killed in the in the season, but he's from medieval times. He's brought forward and uh The the funny thing is that they're like our team of heroes is like wait. What an rpg work on him No weapon forge can stop me That was then Now Mahler's the woman Jared's face Jared's almost at a thousand subs I think Yeah, he joined my discord and left it again Um, someone asked him for audio files for the meme that they were making they wanted to say certain things And he declined and he said he doesn't want his whole content to be related to e-fap anymore Guys, he's worried he'll become too famous. It'll go right to the bed. He's just being very modest very hungry But before you before you start this next one Everyone Jared is seven subscribers away from a thousand get him to a thousand right now If you're not subscribed to him just type in jared genesis I'm gonna be looking at his social blade And then we're gonna party for him my goodness. What will he do when he gets to a thousand? I'm afraid to know because we already seen what he done. He might detonate the channel Oh, don't do that jared But please get him to seven seven more guys. Oh six more Just six more guys. Come on. You can do it wolf is like needs this Oh my god, he said a thousand thirty. Whoa, okay. Whoa Yeah, jared It's like There you go. So now we have to celebrate. Good god. Good job jared. Oh my god a thousand seventy now He has to go jared. Yeah Four days ago or three days ago. He made a video called boogie 2988 failed his 30 day diet Okay, he's almost at 1100 now, so May maybe stop maybe stop people. No. No. No. No. No. No. Don't stop. Don't stop I want to see what he makes Because this is gonna blow his mind. He's gonna detonate the channel if you keep going. No, don't do that. It's what he does Jared keep it Keep it So, um keep it the next one on the docket if you will is uh, this one's like really testy for a copyright It's actually really careful with it because the guy had trouble actually getting it up But this is from creamy sheev actually Oh, um, oh, sorry the last one. I probably should have mentioned was from zoey trope all one word And uh, it was just neat getting a buffy one because it means somebody actually gave a ship and I said I like buffies Oh Anyway Who's that who is that in the other hand uh rhino milk and bilbo baggage Oh Everybody's really uh keeping continuity with the whole the reverse of my basket is just all black I Love that it's always jared who comes to save us guys jared jinnis is here There's no reason not to farm rhino All my end work People like these fanboys that accept whatever piece of shit film they see and say this is okay. I like this You can do this, but I'm just letting you know right now It's not gonna be good on your part But something is not holy shit really I do just We don't want to kill you, but we will freeze frame You'll never get the chance again shut up you smug Two histories of efeb it just never ends And then look at all the apostrophe Ragging is this He said there is a last one. Yes. Yeah, the other half of the animation. I got it This shit is wonderful by the way just before we show it's just uh, I love it. This is from no consistency Yeah, let me explain to you why we have a tiger farm because we want milk and food It's a hippopotamus farm The hippo We have a t-rex farm for its milk What is milky rhino, that's just seems so like It doesn't want to be milked anymore and impaled Yeah, rhino's will fuck you up. What am I boss just said that's not milk you get him from the rhino Listen, listen, it's tradition. Okay Everyone knows that in Wakanda every Friday you drink the rhino's calm. It's just makes sense. All right It's a decision I love these animations a lot. They're awesome You know, someone's going to make like an absurdly detailed like 60 fps animation And it's going to scare the hell out of us. It is gonna be scary has shown me They've only got as far as making me so far. They're making a 3d efap with 3d models of all of us Holy mother god, these people have too much to show us. Who knows what's gonna happen in the future with this They're going to like Someday they're going to like 3d print a Jared and like just have him walk around We need to download his brain It's a few creators opinion is implied. Oh dear future generations can enjoy him. So yeah, that's That's it for memes. Which means we're pretty much done with the intro and look at that 30 minutes That's it's only slightly worse. That's really one of the fastest intros ever through What was the longest like an hour 10 minutes or something? It was something like that You just get going and going and going. Who's my fault? But yes, uh more memes next time. I'm sure Thank you all so much for your um The passionate takes on what is essentially the subtext of efap, you know, what is actually happening Like that's what all those representations are So first up If you guys all remember we we talked about a video from Joseph Anderson called a subjectivity is implied which is Probably one of the most backward implications for a video ever like the idea that it's like by the way I don't have to tell you about this thing and then you proceed to tell everyone about it It seems kind of kind of productive But it was it had other issues in the video we covered it And snowman gaming is another channel who decided that it was probably worth doubling down for joe Um, and we're just gonna check out his perspective, you know, I don't know if any of you've seen videos from him I've only seen a couple and they just like they remind me a lot of mark brown where um Typically not a lot is said uh just like Declarative stuff that's that's relatively well, I mean if he's trying to be mark brown, of course not a lot's gonna be said You just want everyone to be long. That's it, isn't it? Um, yes Well, length does matter So what about is short if if tiny man bad too, is it short man good? Is that the That way we need to go I gotta figure out this formula I don't want to make any declarative statements yet. Mm-hmm, but it might be in the running All right, uh, so yeah, this is the first time we've ever seen one of his videos So, you know, it could be great. Um, I've seen I saw this when it came out and I've mostly forgotten what's in it now So this all will be relatively candid. Uh, I believe voxels has checked it out rags and wolf have not I think that's Yeah, they're right. Okay. Here we go It's shit They don't love this terrible intro the beautiful It's fine. The no the art. I'm the art's fine. The music is awful Uh, yeah, I probably wouldn't go with that personally, but I mean just don't do intros people just don't do it Hey, man, I had an intro my tfa series. So what's that about you hate intros now? Yes, the least your intros have like substance to it This is just like let's have a snowman with this like really generic 2d art style And then it says snowman gaming Yeah I mean You know, it's it is what it is. Are we right? You know, it is what it is. Also snowman milk. That didn't take long This is a snowman I don't like your face I was gonna say, you know beginning a video with a sigh. It's like a trope He doesn't do it, but the uh, the whole I really hate trump You're the one with a go. I didn't want to have to make this video That's like my favorite This is like, oh, I didn't want to make this video I did that too Don't like the old davidio Well, you know, we all we also we all don't know it's a trope until it was shown. It's a trope. So it's okay He was a trope well before that. I don't like persona 5 I finally played it after endless recommendations from friends and even though i'm not a big fan of rpg's and especially the You guys any of you played persona 5? No, no, I live it every day. Oh In my room Yeah, so the best we can do is take his word for uh, what he's saying right now, because I don't know Aesthetics aesthetics, isn't it aesthetics? There's too many gemstones on the aesthetics. Well, it's that it's fine. That's uh, Jim stillin says Aesthetics, I think There's a lot of different people pronouncing it to me. I I say aesthetics Well, you know, it would almost be implied because it's a th and it makes a th sound Wait, the th makes a th sound. How dare you wolf aesthetics Yes, well, he's responding to the gemstones. I'm being ecstatic. I like aesthetics. I think that's what I Think that's what Jim stilling says. I put the ass in aesthetics beautiful And I put the aim of its analysis Ain't no I put the pal in principle I put the prince in principle it's unique aesthetic flair. Unfortunately it was Aesthetic, that's what he said. Yeah, I think that's what Jim stillin says too weird, but I don't know aesthetic flair Unfortunately, it was as I had feared and after sinking 12 hours into it, which I feel was a generous amount of time I quit playing because I was not enjoying most aspects of the game Of course, there were things I liked the combat and lead up toward the first major boss battle was a really exciting Palace and gearing up to confront that jerk camoshita, but immediately after I hear that jerk He's got to say very uh, there's like a line. He won't he won't cross just like mark brown I think that's the the most combative you'll ever hear them be You're a jerk. That meaty bow. This fictional character is a jerk Moschita but immediately after I couldn't stand that the stakes seem to just vanish before my eyes It wanted me to stop You know, you know when I'm hungry the stakes vanish before my eyes too I get it. Oh, um Oh my goodness. Is this a fucking hentai? Ah, I love the feeling of noodles sliding down my throat That dripping over my face Read my dad is You chuck tingle right this man. I think I might actually go buy this game now said to your noodles I'll never use into my room Um, yeah, uh, because I know where he's going with this But you know like the idea of stakes in uh in a storyline. That's totally explainable Uh With reference as in like You know Someone's like, oh man I was so invested in whether or not rey would make it in that throne room scene But then the stakes were ruined because the enemy's weapons disappeared When you said the stakes were ruined, I just had a mental image of like burned steak It's like a well done steak There are people in this world who are like, yeah, I'd like a steak and I'd like it well done Because I hate everything good in this world and then they dunk it into my Then they put imagine getting a steak saying well done and then when it arrives you put ketchup on it uh Look guys don't put that on You can enjoy eating charcoal, you know Chat we're not saying that you're a bad person if you Get well done steak and put ketchup on it. We're just saying we want you to unsubscribe immediately You're not a bad person, but You might as well eat a fucking shoe Okay Very important question well done steak with tomato sauce all over it or Uh loaded pineapple on pizza What's tomato sauce that sounds like ketchup but longer like like is what is ragu tomato sauce? um, I would I How do I answer this question? Well, no, listen is like what's the difference between spaghetti? Spaghetti sauce those are both tomato sauces fine. That's fine with me, but you don't put tomato sauce on a steak What if someone did What were you to do then rags? Would you explode first off? I mean they already got it well done. So it's ruined already nothing Putting on top of it. It's going to make it good Answer my question. You can make it worse though Answer the question like even if you ruin it you could still make it worse Like you could poop on it You know rags is not wrong on this and uh, I I'd rather eat a well steak well done steak without Then one that had poop on it I wouldn't even even if someone scraped the poop off as as vox is just posted right Eat all of those slices of pizza or Have the well done steak with ketchup What would you I would have a well done steak with ketchup Instead of oh wait eat the pizza that no i'll take the well done steak pineapple Does not belong on pizza that is Image I posted was was pizza on a giant pineapple, but there's pineapple on the pizza as well Is I thought it was yeah, no, no, that's not that's not relevant cheese. Well, why is it cheese? It's a four cheese pizza, but why does the Why is the cheese look what are the way wait? What are the four cheeses? Is does that matter when there's that much pineapple? Yes, it does matter It doesn't matter cheeses are wildly different when there's that much pineapple really to cheddar to american to wensley dale to gorgonzola to gouda This can destroy a pizza as well Yeah, but it's already not a pizza It's like it's just I don't know man the difference in cheese just isn't going to change much when there's that much pineapple All right Ifap asking the important questions So, uh, you'd take the well done steak, huh? I just wanted to make sure about that because pineapple on pizza is the biggest sin In food, I believe right currently now you can get you can get grapes you can get grapes on pizza I would take that over pineapple personally. Why would you put grapes on pizza? That doesn't make sense People are fucking insane. Well people will people put olives on pizza and a grape is like a Weird olive, right? No, it's not olives are not the same as grapes. I didn't say they were the same I said that a grape is like a weird olive. You can't just no, it's not a weird A grape is absolutely a weird olive A grape is not the same as an olive. You know an orange is just a weird apple A grape tomato is like a weird All over the fucking olives You can't just compare grapes to olives. I would rather take a no, you can't how Guys, take this outside. How can you compare them? How can you one's like a grape is like a weird olive? Say Lola, how do you need to qualify this? How is the grape a weird olive beyond like, you know, how you have tomatoes, right? You know, how you have cherry Those are like really weird cherries because What the hell is a cherry tomato a cherry you don't know what a cherry tomato is no It's like a tomato. It's like a weird cherry. Oh my god. Okay Okay, I just going to concede this because you have the worst arguments imaginable I haven't even made an argument yet. I know all you keep saying is it's just a weird grape or it's a weird tomato Yeah, I'm not wrong. Apparently snowman is in chat. Someone said that anyway snowman. I need you to understand that a grape Legitimate question and this relates to your video completely. What would you rather have a well done steak with tomato ketchup on top of it or Um a pineapple pizza if you had to choose between them You had no choice gun to your head The consensus right now is going for the steak and I think I'd probably agree with that You see because weird is like abnormal, right? Uh-huh, which means which means that a pizza is like a weird um grape Are you fucking high? It would be the first time It is uncanny and otherworldly one. Is there anybody who would pick the pineapple pizza? I would oh my god. Can't you pick the pineapple off the pizza? Would that be so bad? If you just yeah, but you still have a little bit of pineapple aftertaste because there would be some in there Well, suck it up buttercup You wouldn't have a choice you'd have to Because it would get into the tomato sauce through Have you ever had a pizza that had pineapple is Well, what if it's grilled and it's like shrively and charred slightly Well, there you go. It's it's dried out. You don't have to worry about the juices. Have you ever eaten a grilled salad? Oh, wait grilled salad. I used to work. I used to work in a restaurant and We would have it's one of those high-end steakhouse schmoozy places and one of the things that we offered for lunch was um Her Caesar salad was grilled Why would you do that because Because it's a weird grape I don't food is weird. People are weird. Uh, someone make a video about how food is implied We're just saying that don't put pineapple on pizza. Don't make a well-done steak And we don't fucking milk rhino They take the iceberg the people who want snowman on right, um, we'll this video is pretty short We'll do that and if he wants to come on we'll totally have him on it'll be a crazy crazy How how short is pretty short? Well, it's six minutes left And I think the first third of it is him going over persona So we'll be able to get through that. We just went on like a 10 minute rant about great Well, if you just if you would just accept that a cherry tomato is like a weird cherry I don't know what a cherry tomato is. So I can't exactly make a judgment on though. Just google cherry That implies that I would have to be in my fingers and I really care to give You know exactly what a cherry tomato is. You just don't know. It's called a cherry tomato Okay, fine. I'm looking up a cherry tomato and while you do that they put on We're gonna go ahead and can Oh, that's what they are Yeah, they're just little they're like weird cherries Well, why didn't you just call them little tomatoes? I would have immediately known because their name is literally cherry Okay, well when I didn't say when I said that I didn't know what you were talking about all you just had to say was well They're little tomatoes. They are you couldn't of course they're little tomatoes Instead you describe them as You said describe them as like weird grapes and that doesn't make sense grapes So they're not they're cherry tomatoes. They're midget tomatoes. They grow from a vine Right, they go from a viney sort of thing a lot of things grow from vines rags. Exactly That doesn't mean that they're all the same They're not all the same. They're different Well, you can't just say they're weird grapes when they're really just little tomatoes cherry tomato is also known as grape tomatoes No, the life hero. Yeah, it's a classic Okay, yeah, so we all good We'll good. I mean, I've always said great wolf. Apparently he's the one here with the problem So, uh, you know, how about that uh stone man gaming video? He's right here. Let's give him Let's give him a chance to actually listen to him. All right, sorry Rags is a retard That larger than life hero stuff and focus on my schoolwork and take my friends out for a bite to eat Of course, this was a part of the game already But going from this to pollen warnings and getting a part-time job was very anti-climactic on top of this everything happens so slowly Dialogue seems to drag on and on with meaningless filler and they kept adding in new mechanics tens of hours into the game So I decided couldn't that be a good time? I have a tail. Uh, I will say I mean, obviously I haven't played the game. So I don't know really what the context is obvious But I mean I I have played I mean I have played games where they introduced some new mechanic like randomly toward the very end of the game And it was like, well, this would have been great if you introduced it like at the very beginning where it was useful, but I mean it can't throw off the the the pace It's like even ori you get like a mechanic pretty late some of the I'm a lost one. Well, yeah, but the whole the whole game is um, based on Your leveling system. So I guess I guess I'm suggesting it's like it could be a good and a bad thing Depending on the context to hang up my mask I thought about how in the world I could form my experience into a video drag down all the aspects I didn't like about it maybe make a scalding bad game design But then you know, you could just like make a list And you'd be like these are things I didn't like and you'd write them down And they like use things I did like and you write those down And then you make a review and you talk about the things you like you did like I think I I feel like this could have been like a whole video on its own like I think he's he's using it as an example of What what's gonna happen, right? So like if he had made this video theoretically How people may or may not respond to it and then that's where the title of the video is gonna come in All the aspects I did listen first off I don't I don't think that this is a slight tangent Bear with me though. I don't think that somebody should I don't think that somebody should be taking advice on how to Maybe make a scalding bad Stop it I feel as if a cat doesn't have much of a vested interest in how well they're closed I own a cat and that cat no that cat owns you Well, okay, that's true, but the cat still cleans himself all the time What the fuck what am I supposed to say to that? Yeah, my cat does own me like all right The first chunk here is my thoughts on persona, but it goes into a differently a totally different Thought tied to it right here. Someone's saying that's not a cat explain this bullshit. How is that not a cat? I don't know man. This seems like a crazy universe play it play it and pause on the cat How is that not a cat? Is it like some sort of like a like a that's a chibi cat. It's an animal cat Yeah, that's what they it's clearly a cat Yeah, it's still cat. It's just drawn in like a chibi art style. Is it chibi or chibi? I don't know. I don't speak Japanese I don't either but Voxes you speak Japanese go Hentai Me love you long time I Maybe make a scalding bad game design, but I realized I couldn't make that video I couldn't objectively find anything wrong or bad about persona five I don't know. It sound like you were describing some things that were pretty objective If they were true, I mean, I mean I could say that I've tried to play near I'm gonna butcher this stupid name Automata, yeah, I've tried It's like a weird tomata I actually agree with that. It's I mean I tried playing it. It's like I see like a good game in here But I just can't get into it. I've tried it so many times, but with the conclusion then be that it is actually pretty good I just don't like it. Oh, yeah, I mean I would say from like the five or six hours I played of it that it is a good game. It's just not really my thing So like really you couldn't find anything objectively bad about it or any Apparently anything wrong or bad about persona five. It just wasn't objectively that hamburger is way too big There's no way he could eat that there you go You just go get rags to play it. He'll find Look at the guys staring at him. They're even like, well, that's a big ass. Yeah, they're like, I don't understand This isn't this isn't right. Something is right in the bag across from him Oh, god, don't let the cat out of the bag. Why did he kidnap the cat and take it to a burger place? Look at the dialogue. I'm rooting for you and remember nobody think any I I think maybe the cat is like A figment of his imagination. He's probably it must be because he's saying you need to eat a burger before you shoot I'm rooting for you. Make the dude. I really want to know the price How dare they laugh at your burger. I want to know the price of that That's just a typical american burger. I don't know. I don't see anything strange Standard That's a small in america. That looks like it's bigger than his stomach That's just a five guys Our cousins across the pond. They're so idiom to us. We need to we need to address something else Which is these table designs notice how the tables kind of dip in a little bit on their flat surfaces So how do you push them together without creating a gap in between them? I guess you Oh, that's gonna bother me. That's gonna It won't be on screen for long guys. It'll be fine. Why'd you have to point that out? But look these guys have no eyes Oh my god, he's living in a world consumed by the monster from pans labyrinth They're their eyes are in their hands Yeah, they're they're just gonna like put their hands up against their faces And then they're gonna like chase after you and eat your favorite friends Maybe maybe it's symbolism. Maybe maybe they're at fud ruckers. Oh, man. I haven't said there No, it's supposed to represent that they're not important people So their features are ill-defined because he's not really focusing on them to him These other people are just like a backdrop to the universe that he lives in Maybe maybe or maybe they're they're blind to the events of the the rape of nang king Maybe it's very political Look how he has the shopping In his hand it clearly is some sort of a commentary on the commercialization of Japanese culture. Oh, yes It's the westernization with things like that the game is pretty much going into a a 7 7 7 A symbol of capitalism and commercialization. Yes. I see what you mean 7 7 7 is the number of the beast Plus one that's the neighbor of the beast. It's the no, it's actually plus 111 Yeah, well, that's your opinion. Yeah, yeah 111. I don't know what math is But Seven's a lucky number He's going into a place that clearly symbolizes luck and his Is desire for personal fortune and happiness and so he's he's blowing by the things that slow other people down I Still choose to interpret this as an unofficial sequel the pants I think maybe we've been looking too far into it and that we're only supposed to listen to what's being said But I don't know and that's post modernism in a nutshell. There we go. I realized All right, this is a video for god. I couldn't objectively find anything wrong or bad about persona 5 It just wasn't a game for me and that's okay In fact, this happens all the time. Doesn't all right. All right. Hold up Hold up. If you have to travel if you have to run down an alleyway to get to a convenience store That's not a convenience store. That's an inconvenient store Yeah, but they'll call themselves a convenience store just to be asked people Well, that's just like them, isn't it? It is just like that. We should sue them We should get an e-fap. When you say them you you have three. You have three parentheses on each end, right? When you say I don't even know what that means. I don't even know what that means Oh, you know what that means. No, you know what that means. You know about the the glorious them I the Asians No them the sweetest them cats No, we've definitely discussed cats. Oh the jews You can't say that it's like they are it's they who shall not be named on a white carpet Because you know when when you say it then they'll like come sniffing And then they'll steal your money. Oh great. Look at the chat George Soros is gonna personally hunt you down So anyway Here is a video in here. I believe I'm gonna I'm gonna roll it right back. Let's let's see how far we could get before something aesthetically is uh Wrong or bad about persona five. It just wasn't a game for me and that's okay In fact, this happens all the time, doesn't it? We all probably have a game that we've heard so much about but found we didn't enjoy it when we played it ourselves Is there anything wrong with us for not liking such widely praised titles? Of course I guess he's trying to set the framing. I don't think anybody would disagree with that ever, but I mean What the problem is is like you don't have to Uh like it, but I mean I wouldn't make a video on near because I know I don't like the game But I can't really come up with an argument from objectivity about why I don't like the game Like is there any actually is there actually any human being in the universe who's like no, it's not okay to not like a game Like like well, he just said hopefully that's not controversial. It's like, yeah, I don't like anybody on the planet I would say like it's not okay to not like something that's liked. Yeah, like why spend A third of your video talking about it It's the setup you gotta wait for the the payoff Your opinion is valid Then why does it seem like there's such a rise in conflict when it comes to games discussion? Our culture seems to be increasingly focused on finding hot takes and ripping them apart limb from limb Often this is under the guise of joking with friends or being sarcastic. Oh god. Does that account for us? Okay Man, I'm getting I'm getting some totaled vibes from limb often This is under the guise of joking with friends or being sarcastic But I think it stems from a little kernel of truth and how we really feel And this is especially true when the original thought is negative in tone If I posted on twitter that I thought persona 5 was a terrible game No doubt I'd get multiple replies saying how wrong I was Which is correct the poster or the replies? Well, neither, right? Or maybe both depending on how you look at Well, when you say it Depends on what you mean by terrible I guess Yeah, and then what you've got to support that argument Yeah, I mean if you don't put up a support for that argument Then obviously people are going to disagree with you with a such a widely liked game like that Wait a second. What is there a point to put more than one heater in a barn? I thought one heater would do the trick. I guess it's a particularly cold area Well, if it's like a really tiny heater and you want it it like the wall though It's not gonna fill up the whole barn. I thought I thought it only took one heater to a heater. I don't know maybe This guy's just made of money. He's flexing. I would have been more concerned about the howling of this outside of the uh Oh, I'm just seeing a blue screen right now. I don't even These people are just stating their opinion though probably not in a productive way There's a difference between personal taste and fact. This is common sense stuff But the real problem comes when a content creator makes a video on the topic You see something weird happens when someone publishes a piece of I bet this guy has like 50 funko pops. Oh, is he he's he butt hurt that people didn't like his video I don't I don't instead of being content creator. He's saying Wait, hang on. He's making a point about when you make it a video versus expressing an opinion I guess creator makes a video on the topic You see something weird happens when someone publishes a piece of media instead of being viewed as any other Discussion in which people have differing views. There's an air of authority that's perceived when watching a video And it's assumed that the creator thinks their opinion is the one and only true thought So I see why he's going with it benefit of the doubt He's saying that people tend to look at a video as a much more declarative statement that's Like not something you can argue with almost like if I say Tlg is so bad then some guy out there is like it's not though that video should be taken down because it's wrong It's incorrect versus me posting on discord Tlg is so bad. They'd be like, you know, well, you're just a guy. So who cares? Like the video stands as some form of uh If if the video is up it must have meant meant it's true. I don't know No, I think it's just a matter of the fact that it's instead of you just talking with one two or a couple people In real life and you're doing things It's up on the internet broadcast to thousands and thousands and thousands of people and everyone is able to give their feedback to it constantly And it's not even face-to-face. So people feel more inclined to be more honest and direct and blunt about how they feel Yeah, I was gonna say like it's just such a huge difference in the media that you're using to give your opinion on To present a counter like opinions that go into videos tend to receive so much more um Like counters and supports just because it's like almost like a forum at that point Maybe that I mean that's what the comment section essentially Yeah, like as opposed to it being that people sense it as a more authoritative take It's just that hey, I can talk about this thing here and this is the jumping off point for the discussion Um, especially if you're a controversial creator Like if you're um, if you're someone who hates everything and then you go by the way, this thing is good People will be like, oh, shit. Let's all talk about that because clearly he said this for a reason blah blah blah I'm curious where he's going. Yeah. Yeah, we'll have to see where this is going People didn't like my video I think he's going with it's not even that incredibly disliked from that bar. Yeah, it's better than tonald It's a better result. I'm curious. Maybe we should put this on um On a future refab this this particular video. See what it's like I'm curious. Oh, well, you know Also, you're a terrible person for not using dark things In fairness, I only just started using it because I um, I liked the old Well, the problem was you had to upgrade to the newer youtube. I kept um Uh, not choosing that because I like the old one. Um to the point. We have to change it in the Whatever is called source view or whatever. You have to like uncheck a thing um But uh Yeah, sorry, I just want to one bad game. I'm curious. What are you talking about in that video now? I wish google had a dark theme Wish everything had a dark theme Every should think should have a dark theme once I found out that microsoft word had a dark theme That's all I've used should be a human right Have a dark thing on theme on file explorer. Don't worry. It's no man gaming. We'll get there. This is e-fap style We uh, we go through a piece by piece. It is every frame of pause It's an air of authority that's perceived when watching a video and it's assumed that the creator thinks their opinion is the one and only Not only is this ridiculous, but it drastically limits the amount of discussion that can take place because authority is almost irrelevant on youtube as in You it's usually arguments as in you never catch somebody being like, um Okay, I I've already caught myself because I'm like you do catch people doing this But they're not right when they do it if someone says something like I've studied film for 10 years So I'm right when I say that x y t yeah, like Arguing from authority is never gonna work and then you'd be like so when is authority relevant? And I'd be like uh people can sometimes say it to be like this is why I know the thing But other than that I would say that the biggest thing is that it helps to try and convince people that what you're saying is right No Is yeah, yeah Like are you gonna call upon some sort of academic? Or are you gonna call upon right another youtuber who's got more views than like if I said popular what said Popular is an authority figure and that's not necessarily the case I know that people aren't going to like this too much, but um Technically, uh, I can't remember what her first or middle name is but for whoever her name is She can say that she's a Authority on rape because Kavanaugh raped her even though there's no evidence to suggest that it ever happened We can't get political just because some bitch lied about the dude Oh god Basically what I'm so if you are using your authority if if you're claiming Um that your authority is evidence for the argument's conclusion That's that's a to give you an example um So on one hand like people have said that I I uh project an authority and I'm always like what does that mean? Like I've never actually claimed any authority. So and then on the other other hand when I was having a twitter argument with mother's basement um They at one point did did the meme where they were like Uh, I used to think like you but you know, then I improved or then I got better or then I evolved as as we all knowingly love it What? And I that's really condescending. It really is and then I was like what the fuck that he was like What is your like experience here? And he was like I've been working on Media now for like over five years and I was just like okay You could still be wrong. But media is a really broad term. I mean if you post on facebook all day technically the media survey even if he was uh You know like being Specific like if he was like I have worked on this game personally therefore You saying the hitboxes are not in line with the models is wrong. I'd be like that's not an argument Because you worked on it. Yeah, that'd still be fallacious too In fact it would highlight that he's got a bias that we'd have to account for That he can't really be trusted on the analysis. So what I'm suggesting is I don't know that anybody's ever brought up Authority and media analysis on youtube in order to make their argument better because it's It's fallacious at the core, right? Yeah, I mean the only time when you could pull it off is if Whatever you're talking about is subjective and it depends On what you say like you specifically and even then you can't tell for sure because someone could be lying Anyway, we're we're getting close to when this video delves into where we're not going to agree Can take place because instead of being inherently subjective it boils down to a right or wrong mentality Often I'll see comments of people that got hung up on one little detail of a video because they didn't You didn't exactly make it very clear that it was a joke to be fair And you put that joke in a section that already bashed old games and said they suck which already would have made people defensive Joke is definitely a bad idea man. I'm sorry Um The fact that you call bright flicker in 8-bit era glitches proves you have no idea of the physical limitations of the hardware Running these games and how limitations impacted every facet of the game design Um, so right gotta gotta gotta pull out the police badge here So if you're claiming there's like sometimes people will take something like this and say like the whole video is bad I'd be like, yeah, that's bad. That shouldn't happen. However, that's not what the comments says Um It does say you have no idea about the physical limitations of the hardware and his his argument for that is that you Apparently don't know the difference between a sprite flicker and an 8-bit era glitch, which I wouldn't know either But they're not saying your whole video is worthless as far as I can tell from that comment Maybe one thing Yeah, which Uh, obviously that comment isn't proof, but I I don't know if that's true if it is true Yeah, but if if somebody votes up a video and likes it because of one part despite the rest That's fine. But if somebody downvotes a video and dislikes it because of one point despite the rest, that's bad They didn't agree and this one was Just whether or not something was overtly a joke or not Joke was definitely bad idea. I mean, it's interesting that it's got 81 upvotes. Apparently a couple people did feel This was relevant, but I don't know. It's complicated when it comes to jokes Instead of taking the entire piece as a whole and weighing the pros and cons or worse, I'll Wait taking the entire piece as a whole and then weighing the pros and cons wouldn't that Wouldn't weighing the pros and cons pros and cons It wouldn't it be what has more value to you? Is the whole missing the forest for the trees thing that a lot of people are Accused of evap and I'm always curious to explore what they mean or what they think they mean by that Because a video is comprised of statements. So analyze the statements and you've analyzed the video They're like, nope, you've missed the overall point. That's usually what they say But uh a good point poorly presented is a Bad video Which well, we'll see we'll see it's I think it's relatively fine so far, but I'm pretty sure my contention was later on And I you're right. It's a benign example in comparison to many I've gone I was gonna say if I was gonna point out that people have said my videos and they have they've taken like one error In a ds2 video and said like this this is this is clear evidence that the series is terrible All they said terrible the my I could easily get them right now I just have to search keywords But the fact that I got the date wrong at the beginning of my black panther video people have said like if you can't get the date Right, I'm not watching the rest that I'm like, all right All right Fair enough, you know see one saying that I really need to quit presenting Stop presenting your opinions as facts nest games are not poorly designed because they're punishing Lives are not artificial difficulty Losing them is a punishment for making mistakes. The reasons games are hard is because they're both expensive and really short You can beat the first castlevania in like 45 minutes That's true If you decent at it if you spent $60 on a game beat it and now you'd be pissed so the difficulty extends the life of a game um I mean if we go on a tangent separate to the video that argument itself Have you guys played anything on the nest that was ridiculously difficult? I haven't played anything. I castlevania So I went back to play castlevania and I loved it. I really like castlevania on the nest such a strange connection I have with that game. Um It's really fucking hard, but I'm good at it now quote-unquote as in better than the average person, but still terrible at it But uh, yeah, they definitely made it As difficult as they did to extend the life of the game because you can only fit so much on a nest cartridge Um So when you pay x amount you still have some longevity. So what do you what? What do you guys any comments on that as a sort of concept? What you mean, how much you pay and how much uh gratification you get from something is that What a spoke from I mean, you know, I think this is fair, but it's like it depends on the design choices But if for example, they made forward back and left right and vice versa to make it So you couldn't walk as fast or confusingly to extend the length of their game Then they're of course sabotaging control in order to stretch the game. So that's not good, right? We probably criticize that But making it really difficult Artificial difficulty. Is that the phrase I suppose? Yeah, um, yeah Versus something like making an enemy that's uh Telegraphing its its abilities, but it's very difficult to account for you know Like the difference between an easy song and a hard song a guitar hero, I suppose I guess the a good example is like bullet sponge enemies So yeah, where you spend an hour just whittling down the enemy's health and that's very Boring Whereas there might be other ways to work with your limitations to make a boss fight interesting It's one of those well I guess technically it's harder because I'm spending more time and the more time I spend here the more Chance there is for me to fail because of you know, this war of attrition the game wants me to go through The arguments Against Castlevania would be that the jump arc is fixed as in the second you jump You can't change it midair and you have to accept wherever it's going to end up which can be Really hard to deal with uh the enemies are Reaching the line between complicated to avoid and spam like they spare fire so much at you at once that it's like almost like Sometimes you'll be like is there even a way to escape this? so um I'd be interested to see what his arguments are but the the overall point of this comment is the They're trying to say that his opinion is that the the artificial extension of the game Is a bad a piece of poor design and that's a fact well as opposed to that's how I feel about it I guess is what their point is and then the other guy said this video is ass It went from presenting a personal opinion as a fact to being an ad for games I haven't seen the video so yeah, we'll have to um, maybe check it out the context for that You know one thing that's very interesting though is this whole I've never Been told about the whole he just thinks everything he says is factual until e-fap Like that was never a thing anyone ever really said to me Until I started doing the e-faps with you. Well, yeah, you uh, you make it very clear one of the earlier ones The whole Objective opinion versus a subjective one and it's now been one of the most like longest running things we've had to explore encounter Ever since the last jedi just dredged up every idiot on the internet I think everyone wants clarity and media discussion Thanks to the last jedi because it's just this shit everywhere in terms of Like he said about the twitter thing. He was like who's right the guy's saying it's good or the guy's saying It's not good And I think this video is going to argue that both of them are right or neither of them are right While we'd argue that somebody's right like it depends on the references Maybe it's the way that you just present your arguments. Maybe that's on you Sure, I need to quit presenting my opinion as fact I can accept differing viewpoints. In fact, I Well, we're gonna have to read these as well Uh, but his approach to this subject was not the best one since a lot of the times He said some stuff as if they were facts when they were just his opinions Have you played an s games lately? They kind of suck And that makes me doubt if his judgment and reviews for other games on the future On the future are gonna be as biased as this one was so there's no point for me to watch other videos If I won't be able to trust those reviews um I think that's a fair argument If you said because this is the thing where I have a friend who won't play 2d games Just at all and he stands by the position that 3d games are just better than 2d And I'm like So you don't it's so wrong. You wouldn't want I will say this There is it's really tough for me to go and play some of these old games because they're just a fucking drag Well, that's the thing you'd I think you'd have reasoning beyond. I'm sure he had reasoning beyond They're old But what I'm saying is like some people go as far as saying like they are bad because they are and then state what they are And it's like that's not Good enough because Yeah, you know, however, if if that person then made a review of a 2d game, I'd be like Yeah, yeah I'd consider giving that a miss I don't really want to hear why a 2d game is bad for the guy who thinks all 2d games suck compared to 3d games um He said that statement in particular is so lame though because it was totally tongue-in-cheek and they took it as really offensive Okay, but we don't really know what the statement is. Oh the statement is have you played nest games lately? They kind of suck Oh I've never played a nest game at all. So I don't I mean I'll I'll agree that I think for the most part Well, I don't know about for the most part I was gonna say you'd have to play him first and as someone I can't quantify it But going back and playing like emulators and stuff some of these games are Yeah, but some of them are really fun There's there's nostalgia goggles isn't there? Oh true Well, this is the thing I my first gaming console was the game cube So I went back just out of curiosity and I found I really like the original Zelda and Castlevania. I think they're awesome However, they have their flaws and um The idea that let's just say I was I was best friends with snowman gaming And he was like, yeah, can you check my script and I said, oh, don't say Nest games suck They've said why I'd be like you're gonna need to present your argument first because people are gonna get pissed at that line There are people out there who adore the nest era and they're not going to be interested the second you say that because it's Think of it as me saying You play pc games lately. They kind of suck PC games was like what the fuck you talking about? I know you'd be like that's not the same Like that's how they feel about that that generation though those wait, how is it? How is it different? I don't know. I I I assume that might have been an argument. I can't make that argument Mollye that is eerie because my first console was a game cube as well Bionicle mask of light first game My first game was james bonn my first game was pacman, but Oh, well, this is the thing. It's not my it was my first Console, but I did have a game boy before that and I played all the pokemon So I don't know if that kind of counts as the original Most of the gaming I did was at a friend's house since he had like almost every console ever Yeah, and he said my theory is the video got picked up by the algorithm and people who love nest games started watching it It's like yep, that would explain the dislikes assuming your arguments are solid. I don't I don't know We don't know that Second video in a row you argue that being able to complete a game level quickly and Efficiently is a good thing. That's literally subjective opinion A subjective opinion I guess many people thrive from challenging sections and games and the videos you make the more I think you're just bad at playing video games. Oh, yeah, that would I don't necessarily disagree with that comment But I don't know that it counts as anything you said specifically in your video The idea that you complete a game quickly or slowly I mean wolf and rags argued about this with The fuck was a hellblade like it's uh, there's a lot to break down for what it might mean about a game But I'm sure that's a that's a poor representation of what's in your video because I can't imagine you saying I completed it quickly Therefore it was good That's um a bit weird I will say 100% of the nest video was weirded poorly needed another few drafts in the cooker. It led to misrepresentations I see Remember guys, what have we learned from efab be explicit because interpretation is everything you can slap them with it That and and many other things Give me all helicopter in my opinion as fact I can accept differing viewpoints. In fact, I encourage it But what I can't stand are ones that assume. I believe oh god. Why do they assume that? What do you say it pulls before you said they assume what? Um, we'll just back it up. Okay I can't stand are ones that assume. I believe I'm some sort of game design god that can't be questioned um From what I've seen They want to question what you are stating to be a truth Uh, because they believe that's something a human could do while you may not just like joseph anderson doesn't seem to So it's a clash of world views in a way as in if I said Lj is bad and someone was like no, it's not and I go it's just like how I feel about it Two different interpretations fighting each other immediately I'm gonna vibe. This is this is like the joseph anderson video. Well, this is gotta leave myself that back door This is the um this video is created because of that video Yeah Ever ever watch but we should probably read these another thing I took issue with this video Is you simply make the statement nest games are bad not only lumping together all the gems with the ship But stating it is a fact and treating it as one I for one Unlikely tens of thousands of others quite enjoy the type of challenge presented by the old nest games I really I just feel you could have worded it a lot differently. Well, yeah, there you go Um, I think you probably agree with that statement Good and bad are subjective terms It depends on what you're referring to particularly when it comes to entertainment But the entire crux of your whole web series is completely flawed Well, this is the funny thing this applied to just right and snowing gaming in there They have good game design or bad writing good writing bad game design But both just right and snowing and we will likely say that it was always meant to be subjective When they say those things So it's interesting because there's other there's people on the other side of the aisle that would be like That's a definitive statement. You just made so you better back it up sort of thing Otherwise it would be invalid and then it's like well, it's just how I feel Um This video in particular depends on the idea that your opinion is what of what is bad is factually correct When honestly it just means you don't like these aspects There's nothing wrong with disliking nest games for whatever reason is growing up with them I totally understand these games aren't for everyone but to pass yourself off as an expert on the subjects Now that is something that could be qualified Did you say anything like you being an expert on the subjects? They solely on your own opinion strikes me as fairly biased like that's a weird thing to say if he didn't actually say it, you know Yeah, we'll roll it back and keep on going Let's assume I believe I'm some sort of game design god that can't be questioned I have never once ever Claimed to be an authority figure in game design game creation or development insights I'm just like most people on this platform a dude with some opinions who simply decided to make videos about them In fact, in some ways I sort of pride myself on making relatively simple videos on the topic as a sort of element Um I was gonna say it's a humble take because like would would we say that about ourselves? I'd be like, I guess it'd be stupid if I said I just make simple videos for People to watch because yeah, mine requires that you really do care about the source to be watching all of it Um, I don't think my fallout review is simple. But yeah I'd say all four of us here and and snow my game. We're probably like, yeah I don't think any of us have claimed to be an authority in any way about uh A position again coming back to the whole why would we I don't know a scenario Professor toss pot. Have you used your professor ness as an example of you being an authority? Uh, not outright. I think just people, you know, they they see me They see am a good-looking guy and they go, you know, well Because he's a handsome mother fuck and fuck He's a professor. He's he's british. He must be doing something right. Look how big his house is Look at the library. Look at all those books. He has he's clearly very learned Also, just to clarify if someone told you they were a gaming expert. What do you think that would mean? I Their fingers are covered in Cheeto dust Hey, that's Dorito dust to you. I would um, I would assume that they just thought they were really good at playing video games I would assume they may have developed some because how could you be? I don't know. I think you'd have to yeah I think it has to be maybe a game to it But then then that gets into the weird territory of being an authority on something. It's like And I think I've spoken to to to more about this. Well, it's Uh For me I sometimes And this isn't a standard, but I find it can sometimes help when a film reviewer has actually maybe Had experience of making films because they kind of have an insight into the actual business And how hard it is to make a film because making films is really fucking hard So much can go wrong and it's a shame when some a film does go wrong because so many things go into it You know, it's not just uh camera work and music and lights this sets this so many little intricacies um, which is why I was kind of Dumbfounded that some people, you know when red letter media made a space cop And they're like, oh, it's purposely bad and people panned it and a lot of people lost respect for red letter media because they said Oh, well, you go on about What makes films good and bad and here you are you've made a bad film Surely if you if you're if you're these experts on what makes a good film You can make a good film and I actually and I disagree with that. I thought What they intended to make They are they wanted well, this is the thing what I what I will say Encounter to that slightly is that I would love to see them give a really hard shot of making a good film What they considered to be a good because I understand space cop was almost a celebration of b-movies in a way Yeah, yeah, they had a lot of like references to b-movies that they had watched On my best first and stuff. Yeah, like they I'm pretty sure they've decided They don't want to make another one ever again because of the struggle of getting space cop completed. I'm just like, man I'd love to see them Do a full-on movie In the past, but they've never had the the big budgets only thing like that They're pretty much some of their older stuff is very student film like But I my my point is I don't think they have to hand in their Reviewing credentials because they made a movie that was not well received to flip it Right to flip it some people who make movies Might not be able to criticize movies very effectively Yeah, yeah, like they're two very different fields. Uh, you could do both obviously you could maybe not do either I don't know but it's it's interesting and it's good to get an insight into both from both angles. I suppose Yeah, but I think in terms of Authority levels. I think maybe you could argue You have a little bit more insight because you've worked in film. I think that can help I agree with you. It's just that we would it come in in the video. You know, do you stop the video? I go and you should listen to me because I make films you'd be like just make your arguments You don't need to say that exactly. Yeah. Yeah I sort of pride myself on making relatively simple videos on the topic as a sort of elementary introduction for those getting interested Sorry, I can't play the watch together did in game design. There's no plan. No, it's stock. Here. Let me reload. Okay Um Yeah, I've always thought that mark brown was was what he's just talked about the whole entry level Uh game design sort of discussion, but I guess mark brown doesn't cover everything. So why not do have an extra guy doing it? Uh, why Is it uh, we're confused now Fun making relatively excellent Simple videos on the topic as a sort of elementary introduction for those getting interested in game design for the first time Now that doesn't mean that I can't improve either though I've already learned so much and done countless research since starting this channel But for the record, I have never made a video game professionally and have not worked in the industry Though I have made smaller projects for fun. If that makes you want to no longer watch my videos Hey, it's been fun. But again, I've literally like I don't it don't care where you come from what you've done I'm just interested in seeing what you say and how you support it. That's all I ever care about It's just never ever once mattered to me ever And it's the thing man like people say it as a joke It's like well, you wouldn't want to watch a film review from a guy who's literally seen zero films So I'd be like, I don't know we watched jay's videos. That'd be interesting I think it would be yeah Watchers just find like a hermit Get a hermit out of a perugian cave I mean wouldn't it be amazing because they might they might be like Jesus Christ. What was that? What was that? Was that real? And you're like Yeah, so he said he's just setting the record straight for anybody who thinks that He ever said he was an expert, which yeah, that goes the same for all of us, by the way We're not no experts on the subject. We just like to talk about them. What if you were once a pert? But now you're not anymore Once a what? A pert what does that stand for what? I don't know but if you used to be a pert and now you're not anymore Well, how would you know if we don't know what that means? It doesn't it doesn't matter. You have to know what it means to be a thing but Yeah, you do No, you don't rags throwing the curveballs, but How can he I mean I can't say I'm a gamer if I literally have no concepts. What rags has played us I actually didn't catch that at all expert if you were you recently It's racist dude. Wolf's not even human. Hey, what does it feel like to almost get your ass kicked by by wolf bot 2000 What wait are you saying that? I don't know you should have brought that in wolf because he did beat the bot First off, I finished the game only only by just barely. I was seeing you getting like angry about it Yeah, because the bot is a fucking cheating prick because the bot literally has the capacity to alter Rags code on the fly. It's a robot. Oh, how do you use the skynet? They're just a bunch of robots If I if I left beforehand that bot would have definitely wrecked all of you How come you can't be faster than a tool assistant speedrun? Is that what you're saying? Also, did you know wolf did you just say that if you had left earlier the wolf bot would have won Are you saying like with less of your input your surrogate would have beaten us? Probably yes You know that the robot changed the rules. I had all the goblins And then the game just said no, we're gonna keep going because fuck you He didn't change the rules. He just suck at the game. No, I changed. You can't say that I got the last goblin Well, if you can't say someone sucks at the game Along It's wrong. Hey, if you if I had left like 15 minutes earlier wolf bot would have won I'm just saying You would have lost to a computer. Aren't you no, that's what's so amazing is that you were doing so terribly and then the robot took over and then Hey, I designed that robot to be better than me Maybe you should have spent all that time practicing if that was your intent wolf you nailed a game that I've never played before It's all for positivity. I didn't play it. I didn't play it before either, but I beat the robot Yeah, well the robot almost beat you and that's your robot lost to a Just fuck already. Just get it out your system. Just hate fuck each other. Jesus Christ You say that as if they haven't already smaller projects record I have never made a video game professionally and have not worked in the industry Though I have made smaller projects for fun if that makes you want to no longer watch my videos Hey, it's been fun, but again, we'll keep watching it and I've I don't I can't imagine anybody Gough a video because of that Maybe maybe law maybe law of averages because so many people are there But there's probably an idiot out there who's like this guy doesn't design games regularly. I'm not watching I watch Patrick Williams because he's an expert on film. He's made his own I Watch my videos. Hey, it's been fun But again, I've never claimed as such and any video I've ever made has been from the perspective of a player who wants to talk about His experiences nothing more. So please this is something everyone needs to be reminded you can say that but This reminds me of the whole like everything I just I'm about to say is subjective And then the following statement is this game is bad and that is a fact Then I end it with that was all subjective Just Just qualify the things you say Honestly, I wonder if that applies to every statement he's ever made, but maybe Topps for years now say it with me A creator's opinion is in shot off with that annoying voice thing people do What's the point? What's the point of the megaphone if it's not going to be loud? It's a autistic choice. It's like when people are yelling But they're actually whispering at you and you're like, why don't you just talk normally to me? I find this statement more agreeable than joseph anderson's but it's still kind of A creator's opinion is applied. I don't even A creator's opinion is implied to be a creator's opinion. Is that is that I mean really? That's a no shit statement, but the problem that I think the video is trying to say that I guess I I think what the issue here is that he probably just made a video with really badly presented arguments And he just can't get over that A lot of people in the comments seem to be Under serious miss uh, you know miss apprehension of what's being said in the ice being in the ideas Well, there's a thing it kind of happened to joseph anderson. I went over this in the tfa thing It's like this seems to me like an example of someone being like blah blah doobly do Oh, shit. I made a few mistakes People are calling me out on it. You realize this whole subjective right shield up I mean, I'll I'll say right now I still think I still think I'm absolutely correct I'm a quiet place being an awful movie, but I would agree with you I will more than happily concede the point that I could have presented my arguments in a much better way Sure I think that happens to all of us was the thing. Um, it's as I said in the video is less about Uh, being right and wrong. It's how you respond once you've been made aware of it If you were aware of it all along then you just piece of shit because that means you just lied But if you weren't aware and you were like, oh fuck, I made a mistake my bad And then you make a follow-up video being like, okay. Yeah, so this this is this this is this this is this It's just like, yeah, there's no problem. Um I think this whole topic is a learning experience without a doubt creators Still do have some responsibility to qualify the views. But yeah, it should be a no brain if you're all right We'll we'll keep going Did you hear what I had some screaming oh, she'll be fine. Don't worry about it Brags you gotta feed it Jesus Oh, I'm I'm giving her something Brags again, we talked about this not on e-fab dude any time offline You gotta then we shut her up when we're doing a show. Mm-hmm. Just to respect that Yeah, you're not paying us to talk Brags like, all right, get some you can hear like chain sounds The chains are implied the change is subjective There's no such thing as objective opinion if I Okay, so Did you guys hear that? All right, let's let's let's play it again. Sorry I didn't mean to play this again The more you think about it, this should be obvious. There's no such thing as objective opinions So snowman gaming this is this is the divide we've discovered as uh approaching things on e-fab. Um The objective opinion is almost like, um, yes or no question. Does it exist? Uh Since me wolf and rags have been clear on this subject. Why don't you explore it voxess What is well, is there such a thing and if there was what would it be for objective opinion? Oh, that is a tricky one because then you obviously get into the the realm of semantics, aren't you? That's right. Uh objective opinion Yeah Here's like an oxymoron because obviously you're saying there it's you know opinion is what's going to be subjective objective opinion. Hmm It's my objective opinion that pineapple does not belong um So it depends it depends on the context doesn't well go for it. Just just just for clarification This could help with people in your audience as well. Um without looking it up What would you give as a definition of opinion? Just just go for it Your your subjective thoughts on something that You've developed from your personal perspective And if that were the definition of opinion objective opinion would be an oxymoron I would agree with you. Um, but as far as I know and I work from Commonly accepted I guess or you you could call it. I can't remember which dictionary it's from or which standards or whatever Um opinion is a view or judgment And a viewer judgment can be a lot of things. Uh, so if I expressed to voxis that the sun is bright today That would be relative and subjective because bright is a matter of what is uh taking it in as a However, if I said the sun was a star today Who is the sun is a star and you said that's subjective because it's your opinion The counter that joseph anison would levy is that well now Molar is stating a fact Um while I'd be like no, it's still an opinion because it's a viewpoint. It's a it's a judgment. I've just made Um based on information that I've collected And it's I mean there's people who like in their opinion genuinely believe the earth is flat That doesn't make their opinion right, but if someone says in my opinion the earth is Their opinion is right objectively. Oh, you're gonna piss off the flat earth is in chat I don't care. I don't really care the flat earthers are subhuman. They're worse than eric. No, actually He's the ball in the barrel for you that you could use of like an objective opinion Is it is my opinion that no bachelors are married? Yeah, yeah by definition By definition this is like no a bachelor cannot be married All right, so if we've moved on from there, uh snowman gave me just said, okay But uh good and bad would be subjective terms now When this is this is obviously up for everybody because good and bad have I believe seven definitions that are used currently in in you can check which dictionary, but you'll have many The one I use when i'm referring to media is usually the craft it response. It corresponds to as in tlj Is objectively bad will usually reference its writing I'll often try and clarify by saying Uh objectively poor editing or objectively poor. Let's just go with writing for simplicity sake. Um And then you'd be like, okay So what what would it mean to be objective about the craft of writing? I went over this in the um in the progress I had with with vox's previously on uh with with Cynical cj as well the um Good and bad meaning Uh To a high standard or a low standard in the craft However, yeah, someone could respond. No good and bad means enjoyable or not enjoyable and I would be like Yeah, that's another way to use that word That's not the way I'm using it and as long as you're clear, um Well, you should you can understand why there's these these arguments online because of all these levels of interpretation You can have sometimes you have to spend a really long time explaining and then you end up with 15 hour videos Yeah, exactly and with something like art as well Uh, that then it gets all kinds of nebulous and confusing because art especially with film because You can look at film from the writing standpoint and you can put it from the the editing standpoint as well Shogoth said the earth is just a weird grape. Don't you start with me. It is true Just calm down a grape isn't a sphere. I know it's an oblate spheroid Much like how the earth is an oblate spheroid The earth is not the same as a grave. Don't don't start this. Oh, yeah, it's a weird one More look at the tranquilizer gun will you? Smaller, where's the spray bottle? So when it comes to if if you're starting a discussion and you're talking about topics where you can't agree on definitions One thing to do is to say, okay Since we can't agree on this word Let's let's agree to not even use this word and each of us will come up with our own Alternative way to define the concept Because a lot of the times one of the one of the issues is that people often confuse the map for the place Words are descriptions of or descriptions of concepts essentially, right? So if you're getting hung up on the word then just say, okay, let's not use this word Each of us will use our own word for the concept that we mean And then we won't be talking past each other with some shared bit of film and clay cure that we can't agree on It's the thing like when I was talking to eric in in dms It seems to be if I had replaced the word objective with consistent as in this film is consistent in terms of consistency is bad He was like the videos themselves Wouldn't be much problem with them It's just at that point like so it is semantics then Oh as if eric cares about consistency So he forgot he couldn't even stay by his guns and say that he uh The problem arises when you make a statement in a video that says you can't have an objective opinion Um because now you've you've just said something that's inherently objective as in A slot here Wouldn't be right in in our take just now even though you seem agreeable with it from what I've seen in the chat Um, so it'll just like nest games a fucking shit or whatever statement that may be a joke or not It's like there's not breathing room Sometimes Yeah, some people they take things way too at face value And it's almost I wish more Children were taught critical thinking at school. Sometimes. Oh, yeah, you know, just just take a step back Don't get too emotive Just by someone making a statement saying this sucks and then suddenly go I'm gonna tell him and you ask that no take a step back and take in what the same. Is it a joke? Is it satire? you know Analyze take a step back rather than this kind of knee jerk reaction To a statement that and that seems to be a prevalent thing on the internet nowadays Like some people on facebook They just see the the headlines of a news article and they mean to go. Ah bacon. It gives you cancer I just saw the headline and they don't stop to they always have that the initial emotive response rather than going No more bacon there guys yeah uh black Ligula said the examples you gave about objective opinion the sun is a star consider it a fact I would consider that a fact is an objective opinion really a fact um The the response that would be it could be because a fact is defined differently to an opinion Or an objective opinion An objective opinion would be the example we usually use to try and clarify this for people would be that If you have a thermometer and rags ask me what the temperature is right now I tell him the temperature is 30 degrees or whatever depends where you put the thermometer, doesn't it? And uh, well, no the what I just said was an objective What I just said was an objective opinion and then someone could be like well It's just a fact and then it turns out the thermometer was broken and I didn't know that So what I just said was still objective and it was still my opinion But it was based on faulty information thus being inaccurate But it was still objective because I had no investment emotionally into whether or not that information was received or translated I literally just read it off the thermometer. Yes, it's an objective opinion because it wasn't determined by how you felt or some subjective bias Unless you want to argue that my eyes are As an inherent subjective bias on my brain because I'm human at that point. You just we get into epistemology Yeah, but then you get metaphysical, don't you? Think I think therefore I am what is real perception and all that I think that's why we sometimes just have to go. Uh, who gives a fuck. I'm trying to review something We're ejecting from the conversation When people do that when you have to like if you ever have to stop and ask but what is real and Then where's no you need to stop you need to stop Yeah, because then you're just going on tangents. We need to come off as a bit of a pseudo intellectual wanker Uncompetitive said it was an unemotional opinion Um, you realize what objective means. I don't know That's just we're getting to semantics again. That's thus seems to be the only real issue It seems like you understand what we're saying Which is the whole point Someone said eyes are subjective. Okay, jaden smith Oh jaden and you're How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real? So, uh, what color is subjective? Do you think jaden's like secretly a genius and just nobody is on the evolved level of intellectualism? No, because he's not that good an actor He don't have to be a good actor to be an intellectual jaden smith is like He's the socrates of our time. No, he's socrates if socrates was deprived oxygen at birth Hey, and was repeatedly dropped on his chat. Come on hashtag jaden is god No, don't give that little shit anymore attention. It's already gone to your head Just to clarify though if you guys click that and then go down to number five Do you want to do you want to read that rags just so that hopefully this will be the um, this is from dictionary I'll just post it in the chat number five number five The let's see the definition of objective Um five not influenced by personal feelings interpretations or prejudice based on facts unbiased and then The example Some people have called the example is an objective opinion So this is not an objective opinion. It's like an english phrase. What I'm suggesting is we didn't make this up We didn't we didn't come up with ourselves Which is something that a lot of people accuse us of they're like this is just your metrics Like no we got this from learning about things and I know that everyone else did too But like the other thing is that um if you try out the whole everything is subjective or all opinions are subjective In facts or objective things like you get loads of contradictions that start popping up Um in terms of how you can actually break things down and I don't know the the goal is clarity with language and communication, right? I'm trying to get our ideas across to each other as quickly as possible Yeah, how do how do you explain the same concept to somebody else? How do you get the thoughts in your brain to go into someone else's brain? Yeah, um, but yeah, funnily enough. I believe joseph aniston used dictionary.com For his definition of opinion and then someone shot this at him from the same website and Uh, I could be wrong on this but from what I remember he was like, that's clearly something they need to update Or something they need to change God someone said uh someone said jaden loke Anyway, let's kick on Get on it. There's no such thing as objective opinion If I say in my video title that something has bad game design, that's my personal view I'll tell you it might not be though Yeah, does he not think that there are objectively bad game design late, um Well, the hitbox is one will just be the easiest to example just a hitbox That doesn't match the model whatsoever. So a player couldn't possibly interpret where the damaged space even is Thus being completely antithetical to the purpose of it in terms of a piece of game design Like would that would that be based on personal opinion or would that be something you consider objective? I don't know if he's still in the chat, but We shall hear I think he's mounted Oh god, it's 30 degrees in here according to the moment my personal view Well, someone said actually in the chat, um, well, don't forget that mollus thermometer is probably working In my video Celsius while rags would be working off Fahrenheit. That doesn't actually matter If we were in the same room, it wouldn't matter at all Yeah, it wouldn't matter actually if we could both hold this different thermometers that were in our respective measurements for heat And we could both say oh it's such a successious and I'd say such such Fahrenheit. We'd still both be yeah, they'd be the same value Ultimately, it's just that one is more correct in the American version You guys came after us. So no there's no Fahrenheit is better Fahrenheit's better for temperature But I like uh for distance I like metric like even which is so weird I've played so many video games That in real life I describe distances in meters because I feel I'm more accurate describing things in meters I do put my gps in kilometers Rather than miles and you've betrayed our country. I don't know. I like it when the Australian guys Drive 70,000 kilometers or something. Oh fahrenheit came first. I didn't say fahrenheit came first or second I said britain came first. That's why we're better than america fahrenheit Oh, britain Such thing as objective opinion if I say in my video title that something has a bad game does on a grape You mean earth Yeah, she can if you can fit it Who can't these days earth is nice and you leave lizzie alone. Yeah queen swallows earth explodes Wait earth explodes what she does She explodes because if earth exploded, how do they get this uh this piece of news out there If earth explodes then technically she would as well Earth is just european. She could survive. She could be in an astronaut If leia can survive in space, yeah You say the queen doesn't have the force what i walks into Everyone's crack pipes must be hot to the touch. Welcome to hell jesus Wait, we're getting there. We're getting there The more you think about it. This should be obvious There's no such thing as objective opinion if I say in my video title that something has bad game design That's my personal view. I'll talk about why I think that and hopefully share some valid reasons as to why but I will never claim that Why do you have so little Faith Why do you have so little confidence in your opinions that you don't think everyone should agree When he says valid reasons, does he mean objective reasons? I don't know, but he did that before he said he said valid opinion earlier on Like what do you mean a valid opinion? I wonder what valid means in the context something that is supported versus something that's not maybe I don't know But then it would I think everyone should Have my share my opinions Wow, I think they're the better. I think they're the better opinions. That's why I have them I mean funnily enough rags that makes sense, but I don't think people would interpret it that way They would be like rags thinks he has the he's the smartest guy ever I think I have the right opinions. That's why I have them. Yes That's what I was gonna say. This is a fundamental about human nature almost, but um, yeah If you're espousing a position you will have generated that position based on what you consider to be the accurate position Hopefully based on something but you might maybe one day someone reveals to you that someone goes Hey, your your thing is based on false information. You go. Oh my god And you put your hands on your head like what have I done? Who am I that sort of thing? I think I think people confuse that. I think my position is correct My position cannot be wrong. Well, I was gonna say just just a experiment for you guys Do you think that the positions you hold are wrong? No, like no because you wouldn't hold them Yeah, because if I if you answered that affirmatively that you've got some incredible cognitive dissonance going on in your head Yeah, we have to deal with what a person we have really low self-esteem Excuse me, can I have opinion on something? Is that all right? No Yeah, he said, um He said supported by evidence, so I guess he he would say validity is determined by the evidence would probably be what he means Oh, I think that and hopefully So you can have objective opinions Don't think he defined it that way. That's the difference. You have a straight there Mola I'll talk. Well, this is the thing man. I guess complicated because he's gonna say the same thing as Joseph Anderson Where they're like you'll have objective evidence and then you'll have the subjective Opinion on top of that and then they'll separate them. They'll draw the line differently to how we draw it Soy milk is good for you. No, Jay Jay, no, Jay go kill yourself. Yeah, I think it was I think it was the part too of um, I hope you drown in silk Brown in silk Still soy milk. That's what that's what it is. That's what soy milk is. It's silk. The rags silk is another thing Silk is a different thing rags. Soy milk No, rags fake milk rags stop. No, I'm serious like you could go to the store and you could buy silk Rags that would be silk No, it wouldn't I am literally going to send you a picture right now because Okay, well, I'm talking about a brand called silk You live in the american south and everything down there is wrong Silk look at that uh target in sam's club target Kroger, what a beat a cost cost It's rated very highly and I think the read there because that's exploding about soy milk Soy was eight. Does this rags like soy milk? Yes, I do Question answered you can keep that one for free and smoke it to the bank. So let's continue That's my personal view. I'll talk about why I think that and hopefully share some valid reasons as to why But I will never claim that everyone should agree with me And why is this so important because I don't want to say in my opinion before every sentence that Then don't just make good arguments Why do you why is this a thing that people say? I don't want to have to say in my opinion of the beginning You don't need to say it at all. There's never even a time where it's needed to be said in any scenario I think I said it like once or twice ever. I said it once in the tfa video for the meme I don't think I'm not sure if I have I mean all you need to do is just make good arguments If you're not capable of making good arguments that there is your problem Honestly, it's almost slang. Like it's used Irrelevantly because the content of what you said will define whether or not it was Whether or not it was an opinion objective subjective fact statement view judgment all these things They're not determined by you giving them the label like if I said Braggs cows can be milked and I just gave you an assessment of the technical details of a nuclear submarine You'd be like that's not what you did and I'm like, okay, but that's what I said I did so You know it's irrelevant. We already know what you did based on what you said He said based on the comments saying I present opinion as fact I felt it needed to be so the problem isn't going to be solved by you saying And that's my opinion at the end if you said nest games suck Because people are going to be like no they don't you go. Yeah, it's just my opinion. It's like well your opinion sucks Yeah, there you just created a different kind of Issue you haven't removed the issue because this is all you have to do is you need to just make a good argument Yeah, just justify the things that you said you don't need to put the opinion shit on the end I understand because this is being said by so many different content creators like It's redundant. It's you don't have to put in in my opinion the beginning of every sentence And it's like you don't like who Why would you need to what nobody ever accused me of any of this stuff before I was on eFAP and never when got Oh Everything like years of making videos and this just wasn't a thing that really Whatever popped up for me. Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of Arguments objective subjective my opinion. Oh, I don't understand. EFAP has killed my my interest in using the phrase in my opinion like Like is erased from any script that had ever meant to be it but like I said it'll only ever be there unnecessarily I'll look at it Maybe But again, it all depends on context and how do you set up? How little confidence do you have in your writing ability? If you feel like the only way to do it is they I have to put the words in my opinion every sentence It's just a matter of examples, right? So if I am telling you I don't like doxels, too I don't need to put in my opinion on the before after that. That's very self-evident what I just said I don't like it The rags and wolf and box this year can be like he doesn't like it That doesn't tell us anything about whether or not it's good But if I tell you the hitbox is a fucking terrible and I show you 50 examples I don't need to put in my opinion on the end of that either because what I just did was objective It was like it doesn't matter what my commentary was you saw the evidence It's like people haven't seen an essay before I mean you make a point and you give your examples your evidence and Explain you expand on it He says um He says if they simply don't agree, that's totally different from this guy needs to stop presenting their opinion as fact That's the main issue. I have so well then ignore it. I was gonna say either ignore it if it's if it's bullshit Or if it's true better arguments or ignore it. I mean this this video's dumb, dude I'm sorry to tell you it's a terrible video Maybe you should get mr. Frosty on I was gonna say let's try and finish the video so he can come on If he wants just to make sure we If there's anything left of him or bugger Let's let's let's try and run through the rest everyone should agree with me And why is this so important because I don't want to say in my opinion before every sentence. That's why I was like I guess just a quick pause. I would say for this video. I don't like it more than I dislike You don't like it more than you dislike it Yes, okay, not only would that be so oh, he's at work. He can't well We'll just have to keep going with the format we got I guess Hang on you're at work and you're typing. You're not a very productive worker. Are you man? What if his work is peddling? What work do you do if you're like an ER surgeon? I'm gonna be fucking pissed Doing kiosk surgery. Oh, they took the piss of my video. Hold on and they may be on life support But fuck it the day he's goes to phone out while he's doing surgery These awful liberals who think that they can just watch efab while they're working How are you needed in the art? No, I've been salted on the internet Then we'll get on if they have jobs. He said the truth is you can't presep please everyone in my dk 64 video I prefaced it with an in my opinion thing and half the comments were pissed I had to say it the other half was still pissed at my opinions. Well, doesn't that mean This the the latter half were not satisfied by the in my opinion part Even though you used it while the former half were pissed that you used it anyway So wouldn't that be evidence that you just shouldn't use it at all? What is your job snowman? I want to know also, isn't this video about how you don't need to say it Like you're making the argument that you shouldn't say it someone said he's a subjective surge Madam I think maybe Anyway, let's let's kick on sentence. That's why not only would that be so boring to watch and terrible writing, but It would be boring and terrible. It's like who advocates for that kind of writing Uh, yeah, I mean good job Making up that Well, they don't do the whole in my opinion at the beginning of every sense I'm not saying snowman's stupid. He just he's doing a thing that I've only seen stupid people do wow Let's all go on e-fat while at work And your boss is a record of what you're doing to watch and see you at the job center Hello, I said he made that long before he made this one. Okay, but I would hope that you're Sorry that tickled me. Well done, Ben master. I can't come terrible. I'm coming somewhere All right, but I would hope that you're intuitive enough to discern that on your own See, okay, so you're intuitive enough to discern that on your own What if I told you doxels 2 is a bad game because of the hit boxes and because man, I just find it so boring What have I just given you in that selection? Any three of you can you have what what you have said you said two things one of them. I would say is more Able to be justified than the other Well, the other is purely subjective and if I put in my opinion on the end of all of that We would just be like redundant Yeah, be like okay, but uh, yeah, so if someone listened to it They'd be like wait you said something that could be quantified and then you said how you felt and then you said that the game is Bad as a result of these two things so It's so confusing and this is the thing a lot of people may not think about this and a lot of a lot of people Will consider us assholes for even putting it out there But like writing is hard and being definitively careful about what words you use to describe what you're actually trying to say instead of conflating combining and What the the whole premise of my tfa video was the combination of the subjective and the objective and I know that that's um Something that might be many people would be like you can't even do that when it's just your opinion on media But obviously with what we've talked about already That sentence I just gave you like that's an I that's the example I would give and I would avoid that like the plague if I was trying to describe to you why The opening scene with tecker and kylo and poin tfa doesn't work and my notes were it's boring. It's annoying. It's repetitive It's stupid. It's ugly. I'd be like, yeah, all of these don't work I need to describe what all of these even mean where they come from why I'm why I'm saying them Because I see the snowman says I'd say hey, that's your opinion. I agree too cool Even if I disagree I'd be like cool. That's fine bottom line. I wish people would chill out Is that a pun mr. Snowman? I get it So then then that's another subject is like how angry should someone be about what you've said in a video What is the correct response in terms of feeling and let me just give you a few examples like Your video you're a you're a you're a person who has billions of subscribers you make a video saying The new god of war is fucking terrible worst thing ever and you show very nitpicked or cherry pick sorry examples Of where the game fails and you say this represents the entire thing and the Most people once they finished it say that it's actually quite bad Any positive reviews you see are all from people who've only played like an hour Which is the best part they they front loaded all the good content just to trick people into buying it if you said all of this Then the creator saw it I knew it was bullshit because of all the things you you cite things that aren't even in the game or just complete lies Or whatever else you say like progression in the game doesn't exist You can't even buy upgrades or change your whatever just things that are just blatant lies Would it be fair for him to be furious? Because I think it would be and then you'd be like, okay But why does random people get furious then I'd be like well, what if they're passionately invested in this game? Like it helped them and I'm not being hyperbolic here. There's videos out there You can go find where people say a video game saved their life Like I've got those emails every once in a while. I was depressed. I thought about killing myself You laugh Some people will send you death threats if you yeah, you get you get the whole Very emotive so take that guy who got a wall saved his life and he sees your review And he knows it's bullshit and it's misrepresenting the very thing that means so much to him They get furious like okay, that's fair But the general amount of people why are they so angry and it's like they all have their reasons man Some of them are unreasonable some are reasonable ultimately you're trying to solve the symptom instead of the uh the problem Being that the language that was presented probably You know Sent them the wrong way or the inaccuracy of video or whatever else and maybe I'm being wishful thinking and and As if a video could ever be so well accurate that it wouldn't piss off anybody But of course, it'll always piss off somebody. I agree with that It's just that um, you'll find that the videos that piss people off the most so What are the most disliked videos on youtube? Um youtube rewind would be the top example um You can go into it's more than just uh I don't know There's a lot of things that'll happen behind the scenes or things that happen in the video that you can find Oh, that's what pissed him off like um when movibob did a diabolo immortal video It was like what does he say in this video that gave it all the dislikes and you find the part where he says um Uh people should be happy that other people are getting Something instead of like people are getting angry that other people are getting stuff and he refers to like diabolo mortal can be for like Email gamers or casual gamers And the the diabolo fans are angry that someone else is getting their thing And it's like that statement is enough to understand exactly why all the dislikes are there now or why all the criticism is That movibob is a fucking idiot. Um, I mean mattha pat the nes pun one of his he made a diabolo immortal video Like a game was just titled, but yeah, did you guys see um, yacht sees video on fallout 76 No, no, you you really should because in the first like minute or so he talks about Briefly the diabolo immortal stuff in the fallout 76 and the the the kickback that these games have been getting um kind of he kind of bashing the industry and people who defend the industry when they do stuff like this, but A very good example of that Go watch yacht sees Unfortunate here's the unfortunate part in order to get to yacht sees content on youtube You have to brush past movibobs garbage because they are on the same channel. That's true Be careful And don't click on the wrong video. Also knight hood said do you find games to be harder to objectively review than movies? I spoon a spoon. I assume that means the answer is yes, but not through some form of like impossibility of informational extraction, it's just that games Typically have more in them. There's more aspects to cover And games also have as a fundamental part of their design kind of like Almost like a wild card in terms of the individual player who's Going through it. Yeah, there's loads to really address It's a little messy element. Whereas a movie will always be the same no matter what Game isn't quite like that. It does require input from an individual Um, it's a little mess here. Yeah, uh, he said he's heading home and he'll be back in 30 minutes and you can probably talk to us so Let's try and make this last 30 minutes It's been an hour and a half and we've I think we should probably hurry that we've lost 800 viewers that they've been on it's a bit too long I mean, it's up to them what they want. I'm interested in giving the guy just wanted to see totaled loak That's probably true actually But yeah, I wanted to have a chance to come on if he wants to though So it would be it would make more sense if we were on this video as opposed to jumping to the next one if you know what I mean Do you think he would defend tonal? I don't think he would know him or I feel like the different crowds totaled loak is in the uh, what if tonal is the thing that gets him to believe in objectivity Like we show it to a means like all right. I'm with you guys completely the light of tonal Um, but yeah, let's let's see how because he's about to bring in Joseph Anderson I think or at least reference him critique youtuber They would agree with the sentiment 100 percent. In fact, Joseph Anderson made a very similar video a little while ago And it's very very good Hey, if you like his videos, you should read his books Yeah, like interstellar marines Look Oh It's Just go just go read the amazon snippet of interstellar marines. Oh, I'm sure you'll love it Um, yeah, I read it out loud on a previous stream. Yeah. Yeah, CJ was telling me Oh, it was beautiful But this is the thing Um Joseph Anderson's video was really bad. It had loads of really bad arguments to support his idea, which was very very simple Which is I define these words these way leave me alone But it didn't even apply to his videos because I've been watching Joseph Anderson for a long time and he's made so many objective arguments um And like made definitive statements and then he's just crawling back to the whole it's subjectively me alone So it's not a hard game leave me alone You have a very strange relationship, don't you he doesn't um He doesn't you he refuses to speak to me because I used The m word massive Um, the what I called him a massive faggot. I think the use of the word massive really uh, Sigh shaming. Yeah Because there are a lot of small people out there who would like to be massive And there are a lot of massive people out there who don't like being massive and so saying that could be very offensive You can't judge a faggot by their size. Yeah, so, you know, I've learned a lot from that, but um, you know No chance of joseph coming on but it would be interesting to see if you'll ever be able to mend that Besides he interpreted what I said as me trying to pull back my apology when um That opens up a whole interesting conversation about What it means to apologize in what context as in what what? So, uh vox is if I If I opened a door and it hit you in the back because I didn't realize you were standing out there Uh, and I said sorry Would I be apologizing to you because I opened a door? Or would I be apologizing to you for the result of me having opened the door without knowing you were there? Uh, I think if I get too caught up in that I think we should slam the door repeatedly on me by yelling cunt cunt cunt the point being uh He was like stupid Oh I'm letting you know For the benefit of joseph anison what his actual perspective was was that I should apologize for using the word and I was like No, I'm apologizing for how it hurt you But I'm not apologizing for using the word because I have my own philosophy of how I'm allowed to use that word And I don't care if you you have the opposite I I like it's one of my favorite words. I like the way it rolls off the tongue. Oh, it's beautiful And and the argument that it upsets homosexual people is just not it doesn't hold any weight, especially not on this podcast um for reasons such as uh, um, I mean Some people here like both the biobes and the peen. I'm just putting it out there. Okay. You like both nothing wrong with that I like both and these people these nameless people also happen to use that word which almost presents a sort of Strange conundrum if they're supposed to be offended. Yeah, sometimes we use the word to describe ourselves I did that and people got upset On one of my videos. I was like, wait, what? I literally call myself a faggot in my follow Yeah Another thing is in I call myself that and use it endearingly. Yeah, you can uh, no I mean I'm just being a faggot, but in america it can be a bit old because we use fag for cigarette So when you go to america, you go, oh, I'm gonna go smoke a fags america and be like, oh my god, you're gonna shoot a gay guy? Yeah, what no, no, I'm just gonna smoke a fag and then the police pin you to the floor gets embarrassing, but uh, but I This is obama get down Yeah, I guess it's there, but it's fine. Tangent isn't it? Oh, absolutely. We are killing time until frosty gets on That's true, but yeah, but it's doubles up as um Joseph will never come into this podcast because I said the naughty word and on top of that He he considers me having pulled my apology back when I was explicit from the beginning I don't apologize for using the word I hope you can water under the faggot as far as I'm concerned. I think They're not aware of that definition If he wants an apology then because I think it'd be fun on e-fap What's the thing people find it offensive right when you go, I'm sorry you're offended It's like what else do you want from me? I'm sorry you were offended Yeah, yeah I love how we watched the mask of zoro yesterday and there is even that line like i'm so Yeah I didn't know moller just invited me Wow, hey wait, it's not like that. It was you're such a massive faggot. I referenced it and wolf was like Yeah, I've never seen it before I love the mask of zoro Well, I was just mentioning it because there's that line in the where The god, why can't I not think of his name? I should really know his name No, no the bigger Anthony hopkins. Yeah Anthony hopkins. Why could I not remember his name? He's only the biggest actor Anyway, there's that or no that wasn't him. That was some random dude who went up to the other talking about It was it was that guy who was like i'm sorry if you're offended Well, listen, I would help you out trying to find out what happened in the but it's been so long and I haven't seen it recently We'll rewatch it right now that I know that you love it. The thing is though We have semantic progression words can change meaning over time And I think if we if we didn't make the word taboo, and if we all just went around like how are you faggot? What look at this faggot? I think that would take away the taboo and then we can just openly say faggot and there would be no hurt That's the ongoing argument. Does it depower the word or does it normalize the insult? If you only give it as much power as you want it to have Yeah, I get funny looks at me when I eat mr. Brain's pork faggots I mean faggots can also mean that small meaty thing you eat. I can't eat faggots Well, they sell in shops with that labeled on the front. That's offensive faggots in an oven But um, yeah stabber said offense is taken not given Correct. Yeah, beautiful. Um, but anyway, yeah, let's let's kick on let's kick on because at this rate We won't finish it by the time he's here Little while ago, and it's very very good. Please go watch his as well All I'm saying is that if we're to survive as a human race, we need to be more accepting of when we hear a different font I find that statement's a big grandiose dude. Let me let me let me run it again in case the audience didn't hear it Very sorry the internet. I'm great and it's very very good. Please go watch his as well All I'm saying is that if we're to survive as a human race God fucking dab it wolf shut up Sorry, it's okay. That's the one that said it All I'm saying is that if we're to survive as a human race We need to be more accepting of when we hear a differing thought Oh, fuck off That's so if we're gonna revive as a race That reminds me of uh totaled loaks had to be like peace love add happiness If we're gonna survive as a human, you're gonna bring up the survival of the human race I guess he would argue. He was being tongue-in-cheek I guess I I'm understand what he's saying. We should all be open to different opinions, but Honestly, I'm okay if the human race doesn't survive I think we need like the heat death of the universe. You know, it'll bring it on wolf It won't be won't be global warming or some kind of attack. It'll be opinions differing But we're talking about fucking gaming here. Uh, are we gonna stop? No, it'll be because someone said to put in the sign Five is yet and he's like, oh The gaze will take over and then no children will be born and then it will be the cockroach's time to thrive It'll be it'll be like children of men as soon as someone says in my opinion pregnancy is not real pregnancy will stop And then there'll be one kid left We need to be more accepting of when we hear a differing thought The internet has been a blessing and a curse because while it's opened many doorways for people to share with each other in new ways We would have never dreamed of decades ago It also has given us multiple avenues to say things in a relatively anonymous and guilt-free way Next time before you faggot, faggot, faggot, faggot, faggot, faggot Uh, yeah He what he what he just said is true, but it doesn't really hold relevance as far as I'm concerned Yeah, it's it's not relevant and thank god people are anonymous on the internet Yeah anonymous and guilt-free way next time before you comment on a video bashing the creator for how wrong They are and a terrible person because of it think about if you would say the same thing to that person if you saw them face to face I'm sorry There's two dogs and a puppet and a guy in a gas mask who might just be very badly burned He might be he's a lizard man. Yeah, the holocaust was a lie Oh, that's your opinion. Oh, what what did this video just become? I don't know though. There's a weird weird ending. It's miss and guilt-free way That's all hands under a rain Like would it so is It's like would you say the same shit if you were in person with the person? It's like maybe depends what they said Well, yeah, is it the same if if I'm in public and I say I didn't like persona five Is that gonna start a race war? It's very Might nowadays, um I'm trying to think of like well, I'll just like think of the worst thing someone could say to you in public Would you go? Well, this is in public. So I won't criticize you. It's like no I'll go for it. I don't mind Yeah, people get it. It's better than hiding behind a screen So it says don't be such a massive wolf a massive Don't be such a massive So does this person think that um Like it's bad to be anonymous on the internet I think he's saying that being anonymous on the internet gives people the Encouragement to say things without guilt as in I'm just gonna say something mean me but good I think that's good. Well, I was just gonna say like It's like ignoring all of the good things that come with that to be candid about what's happening in the video Like go for it Um, obviously people say some horrible things online Sure But I don't know if this seems a bit hyperbolic. It's like maybe you wouldn't say that if you saw me in person It's like maybe they would I've said significantly worse in person Yeah, I mean, I've had some I've had some arguments in person. Let me say that It's big on things in a relatively anonymous and guilt-free way Next time before you comment on a video bashing the creator for how wrong they are and also the way he phrases that Bashing the creator for how wrong they are. It's like, well, what if they were really wrong and they misrepresented something Wouldn't bashing them be warranted depending on what your definition of bashing is Yeah, a lot of this would a lot of this issue would be resolved if you had a thicker skin, honestly Yes, yes, but it's it's 2019. I need my safe space. I'm offended by that word You couldn't you wouldn't download a car. So why would you download an insult? Well, just by browsing the internet you're downloading insults I'm gonna I'm gonna open up faggot.exe. Oh my god Next time before you comment on a video bashing the creator for how wrong they are and a terrible person because of it Think about if you would say I mean it Maybe think about bashing them in your life. Can you show an example of that by the way? Couldn't you as you actually got comments saying your opinion on the nest is inaccurate And therefore you're a terrible person Geez, I'd be like wow How did they guess you character just from talking about nest games? Okay, fair enough The same thing to that person if you saw them face to face Please don't ever forget that we're all human and are no different when it comes to having this turned into like Oh, fuck you. I'm a PSA PSA remember treat each other with respect peace out Like am I watching fucking captain planet here where we've all got to just hold hands under a rainbow Because it's really just a prep for tonal look All right, tonal. I got the crowd warmed up. They're they're just like gooey putty now Wonder how yeah, this is gonna add super positively That we're all human and are no different when it comes to having flaws and separate views If you're already on board here and think this topic was a no What what what do you mean unjustified? Hey, are you saying that my opinion doesn't matter? Well, we were going over this slightly earlier It's like what is the correct amount of feeling one has in response to a thing How are you supposed to react to things? You know, it's like Can you really say that someone someone shouldn't be angry if you've gotten something wrong about something They're really passionate about it's like Ever forget that we're all human and are no different when it comes to having flaws and separate views If you're already on board here and think to say whatever was already thinking It's a no-brainer. Don't let unjustified hate go unchecked. The best thing we can Unchecked. I just what does he mean by all of these words? Unjustified hatred going unchecked. What what is all that? I would never ever say That you can't let the comments and the comment section of my video go unchecked like the hatred is just I'm like Oh, I'm so sorry that this bothers you, man I don't know This seems to be that the the nest video happened Then josephanson put the video out about horror games and he got shot on then he put out the Defense video for that and it got shot on and I think snowman would have empathized with it Been like, oh man. I get I get what's happening to you. Just happen to me But this contradicts what he said previously where we need to be able to Press our opinions and shout out is for the survival of the species might I So by having to curb some of the things you see what I mean It's like we need to be free with ideas, but but not too free because it might upset people That's the whole idea though. You need to be able to explore new ideas and take criticism So you can develop your ideas and develop as a person How we're gonna survive as a species someone give you a scathing Ripping a part of your channel, but it was like all accurate Like fuck it, you know, and then it will I guess that comes down to the whole he says it's unjustified hate. I just I'm curious what What is unjustified? I'm yeah, what do you mean unjustified? It's just like it can only you can only be so angry. You're only allowed to be so angry hatred but Like when it's not when it's you or are you not any youtube not any youtube video? Appabed said so what he's essentially saying is yeah, i'm fucking better than you. Is that a reference to rags or snowmen? Rags I'm not I'm not gonna say I'm better than you like in general, but I might point specific people. Yeah, I'm better than them Well, if someone wanted like a serious Qualification of that it would just be like better in what way morally and then you'd have to provide a standard or better in um How much they help a community or how much they what they operate with standards they have better Is just gonna be based on a specific thing. You just have to ask them what they're doing reference to anna casperian of the young turks Better than you. Okay. Well, you didn't know that one I don't watch the young turks. I don't watch the fucking young turks. Everyone knows that quote though So I just try to pretend I know people one of these people who think that you know no one's better than anyone else is like You're not better than hitler Oh, you mean that's how you you'd get them to realize that They would make that statement It's like, don't you think that you're better than hitler is like I am no better than hitler. It's like cool, right? Fucking satan Anyway, yeah, we need to do that. I was in we're already talking about hitler. That's true. The chat is true I'm better bred than you. That's true. I think I think it took a while for us to get to hitler considering to be honest Wasn't quick. Yeah Was a no-brainer. Don't let unjustified hate go unchecked. The best thing we can do for one another is encourage each of us to do better So sorry, this video wasn't about any games or at least in Oh, you're so edgy. Oh, baby. I went there. Why did you? What's the point of telling a joke if you're gonna apologize? In case in case people take you seriously. There you go. Do I have to imagine if every comedian did that? That's a good joke. I'm sorry, by the way. I'm sorry that I did that Jeez, man. I'm sorry. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Can we just not Canadianify the whole world not everyone needs to be Canadian. Oh, like sorry for themselves You mean sorry Baby, I went there. Sorry. I'm sorry when I say a game is shit. I'm not apologetic about it You know, I'm not gonna say oh, I'm sorry. He's like, no, BioShock infinite shit game I'm not gonna say I'm sorry And if you like that shit game, okay, but you know, whatever that's just like whatever you're like opinion man Good games. Oh, baby. I went there. Sorry. Sorry. That's exactly what I'm talking about But I hope you can understand my perspective for any future video and instead of starting discourse because something made your blood boil Go and share some love today. That's all I gotta say Wow We love it man. Braggs. Do you want to share some love tonight? No, it's all although I'm taking that love. It's all for me I'm hopping on that love and I'm taking every little drop of it. Hey, I'm perfectly fine with that. Let's do it Let's do it So what do you say instead instead of starting discourse over making your blood boil? What was the second part? We should go out and spread some love What does that even mean? Well, if you use queer response theory there, sorry, sorry, that's exactly what I'm talking about But I hope you can understand my perspective for any future video and instead of starting discourse because something made your blood boil Go and share some love today Jesus If you see something that you're upset with or that offends you or that you think is terrible or bad for the world or an incorrect opinion Just let it be. Just let those bad ideas propagate. Don't counter them with your own instead. Just go talk about happy things like No, no, it wants to share some love. So if you get really angry, just go out and fuck someone. I was going to say, yeah That's surely what it means. That's not a tip-tation. That's what you're outside And have sex with someone We share some love today. There's four of us here. Let's do it. I don't see why not massive love hashtag I gotta say I'll see you guys next time Steve frosty my frosty my friend. Don't you dare. That's gotta be his normal outro, I think Oh Sean P. You're terrible. Why would you give this guy money? Ben keema Anyone can give anyone money, especially keema lee keema l and radio lizard Low tier content. I mean, this is just one video. So it's so wishy washy and ambiguous and Feeling goody Well, it's clearly made to try and offset What he considers to be the fault in a lot of his critics that are coming to the channel The the common thread that they seem to misunderstand, which is He's not being objective guys Or that he's not presenting things that he feels as a factual thing, but I Feel like that's such a generalized view that you need to actually get to a specific example To be like Uh, see this is the you know saying Nintendo games suck. I'd be like, yeah, that's not you need to be more specific about that You can't just say that and expect people to be like, oh cool Apparently there's a joseph a in his list of patrons Well, really why not right? I don't know they seem to be cut from a similar cloth They come from the same grapevine. I get it Listen, there are two faggots in the same pack Um So faggots are cigarettes No, no only fags. We don't we don't smoke faggots. Yes, you do in a story about that joke guys. Hey Um, he's not he's not back yet. So what we could do is read out a selection of super chat while While we wait and uh, we also have the gay donuts as well That's always a possibility though. I think if he came back to the stream No, let him you told us to spread some love here. We are proof Hey, what are you saying that donuts can't have love? Oh, wait, chase message will make you think otherwise Chase said they're friends. Uh, so I wonder if snowman is aware of joseph annison's position on me I wonder if that'll prevent him from wanting to come in here. I don't know Oh Oh, look at this the first one says happy anniversary professor toss spot. I'm so happy you're on e-fab No, it's very kind of you think it's your anniversary of what? Five years of my show smack talk I know it's gonna be like the anniversary of when you found out you were gay People celebrate that as an out of his story So if you ask me when do you know the first day you're gay? Yeah, you see that you do something gay not the first day like, you know, I like we no one No one forgets the first dick. They sucked. I mean like do you remember? um The the moment when he turned gay or is it like a like a belief thing Well, I guess it would depend on like the first guy that you're attracted to Yeah, but you're like, oh, I don't know why you're attracted to him. That's a thing Well, like you could be attracted to another man in a non-sexual way Yeah, it was like that with me and Harvey Weinstein. There was no love day. It was all business No, like you could that's why we have that's why you have friends because you're attracted to other people for non-sexual reasons a lot of the times You're attracted to traits of that person, not the physical part of the person. No, that's different Thank you, CJ Miss you buddy all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons. So The point is it's like no one remembers the like the moment they became an atheist, right? It's just like a time frame, but it kind of happens over time and then you just realize it I had a moment when I like like I don't believe in this at all That's the moment that you realize it Well, yeah, but I mean beforehand I did believe in it and then I started doing more and more research And then it came to a point where I was like, I don't believe this at all. Do I But what was that point? Like do you remember like that? I mean, I I mean I I couldn't like nail down a date or a particular thing It was just like a culmination of things and then once it got to a certain point. I was like, I don't believe this So you give up on god to become a fairy? I'm not a first off. I'm not a furry. This is a terrible rumor that's circulating around the internet. It has no absolute Justification slander towards it whatsoever. It is slander. It is both slander and libel. It's libel And I will not I will not stand for it because I am none of those thing Um, I both Jay in the chat is asking for me to justify or explain friends with benefits So I don't Of course Jay doesn't understand that I think that he's saying that and I don't is it really a controversial thing to say that you can be attracted to people for non-sexual reason I don't think so. I'm curious because As long as you say no homo, it's fine Hold on when you say attracted to someone. Do you mean like attracted to the way they look? No, I think no, I think he just means you want to hang around with somebody be around somebody Yeah Just like liking somebody Yeah, if you're attracted to someone's personality, how is that not liking? Yeah, you'd be and it could be a variety of reasons One of them could be sexual reasons It's very it's very true. It's very true. So The um, the second the second super chat is first donation of the day Hey, so um, no, that's the second of the day actually. Sorry Four hours three We got uh, we're two and a half hours in so, uh, who knows how long this may go We need to get to tonal man pull guy tonal And the vox video Um, somebody said vox just has a slight echo, but I think since that was so long ago. Nobody else has mentioned it I'm sure it's fine. I'm sure you find no worries. Um What crap did I join in on there's probably gonna be a lot of those if this e-fab ends before tomorrow afternoon? I'm fucking suing. Oh shit What's tomorrow afternoon for you Uh, why are you gonna do this one? I'm about to leave for work here. Take my anger money Put it like an unhappy face Hey, Mal, have you seen counterarguments video on 12 angry men? I have not. Um I'll I mean could be interesting counterargument Well, it's the one I cite when people are like what's the oldest favorite film you have Because I I like it a lot and then also it's really old. So Someone said I'm glad facebook invented liking things Who'd win in a fight jarid or there's ninja turtle shit on or wolf after watching the gray Jared, of course I would actually say Jared because I'm like an emotional mess after watching the gray This isn't a puddle of tears while jarid is standing strong with his t-shirt That movie, uh, I loved your fallout 76 video mohler from uh, creamy sheave, of course Molly you should make more videos like that. I like the dog avatar I'm gonna do fallout 77 next. Um, I feel like just next one in the in the line is the smart decision there Um, we need to have a conversation on pastry age of consent laws. That's obviously relevant to um I think once you I think once they're out of the oven If they if they're out of the oven, it's time for shoving. I oh god. I think that's fair I don't know how much biology that's based on the rags, but I think it's a fair sort of stand Well, if they're sentient that implies that there's a little bit more than just Well, you gotta read this fucking passage. I've got Oh god, um Something funnier than rhino milk donut and then um eggplant So Oh because oh, okay. I get I get I I'm buying what they're selling. I'm picking up what they're dropping down if you if you gather the Things that I am communicating from even Francisco. Why is it that vox this shows up and everything gets really gay? Yeah, why is that? We're going to have to go to patreon to see the second half of this stream. Oh This actually is the gayest one. I think we've done. Yeah. Yes. We've done. This is I'll check the I'll check the gay moments there. I think we're up to like 17 gays right now Jesus Is this your normal voice somebody said? yes There's professor toss pots boys me He's an esteemed professor which uh, which university we use were you currently working at? Harvard with a bit of Yale, of course. Yeah on the side casual. Yeah, we pop in there once in a while give them your insight They all pop up on the table and say my captain. Oh captain. Uh, please get rid of this fucker Yeah, then I shoot myself Oh Post that through romance video that is going to be out on uh valentine's day because it's a romantic movie Oh Hey, love y'all. Thanks for always cheer me up with your videos of or efap when depressed really looking forward to wolf's return Also, I'd like to make some royalty free music for rags for free. Obviously. How can I hit you up? uh email Email where can they find it? uh my channel, uh his channel 1 800 Get rags at gmail.com. Yeah. Is that actually your email? Yeah 1 800 get rags Okay No, I'm I'm deadly serious. It's on. It's on my channel. You can check it out. It's on my channel So now I have to go look Why you don't trust me? What's the point of asking me if you Well, I don't know. You said that the world is like a grape before it is. It's like a weird grape It depends if you look at it like metaphorically wolf. Gee. It's really more. Oh my god Oh, that actually literally literally is his email. Yeah, because I'm a little liar So when I say that the world is more like a blueberry Because of the color Really makes more sense Uh, I milk rhinos and look at women. It's a simple life, but it's an honest life Uh recently got caught up on the regular efap working through the gaming one now watching it work So rip my data Would um Would audio only versions of the efap gaming be pointless Pretty much. Yeah, because you wouldn't understand like what we're laughing at most of the time To be fair two of the other people in the podcast might not well like for the first one since it's all Since I guess it's uh three people from uh their own perspectives You're kind of doing that 66% anyway. Mm-hmm Uh Also, yeah, james moore sent the uh the one about toss pot. You wanted to make sure you knew that Oh, what what's this? Uh, james moore. I assume you recognize the name Yeah, he pops on our chats a few times. He's a very flush donator. Isn't he very kind very generous man Yeah, he must be in the columbian bath salt business like me. Um, can't stay long. I'm writing this during a lecture But I want to say thank you guys for the countless awesome hours. How many tips for those wanting to make long form content? Oh Rescript re-script re-script. Yeah, that would be the fundamental one Be smart Well, the idea is like you'd never set out to make it long you set out for other things and being long is uh, You know the yeah, I think this is generally a it's um A consequence of just kind of how you discuss things and how your thought process is It's not what your goal is. It's just it happens. That's just how it ends up being Oh, snowman gaming is back. All right. Do you want to? Uh, hmm twitter, I suppose Sammy I can get you my uh, my discord number Then um That should be a way to do it. You can spread some love. Yes. All over your face um A couple a couple little funnies on twitter as well. I uh I'll I'll show this one I'm going the loo. Oh god. Oh, no You guys kind of need to have seen uh south park for that one I have seen that episode good shit, man. I haven't been catching up with south park though lately Yeah, I haven't seen it in a while Um, and then there's of course the shaggy memes that are coming out Uh, now the the obvious is shaggy versus um Uh Oh, man All I need is a good one to punch in your down on the fucking ground I'm positive. That's a jared like an actual jared quote. Yeah, no, I think it is too. Um If you haven't subbed yet go subscribe to jared genesis Uh, oh he said he added me on twitter. Okay, how do I Jaden christ No, oh, shit, which there's loads of snowmen. Which one of you? No man gaming There you are I'm here. Yeah. Oh, hello rags Hello What it was uh was my presence requested. Of course it was I mean, you know Oh, shit. How do I okay? Um Oh god, did he actually make his 1000 He did He made a he made a 1000 video already Well, what can we see we was in his room when it happened smaller? Can we please? Can we please watch it? Oh, we can sure we'll do it after we can save it to the end. Yeah We'll do it after um after snowmen has a pop in I I don't want to watch it yet because I feel like he's gonna do something crazy. I don't want to Hey Yeah, I'm just waiting to get the the um his tag for discord then I'll add him then we'll throw him in You know, I would do a little discussion about um Everything media analysis and then we can jump on to that video. I suppose next because I feel like everybody's gonna want to see it now. Does it seem happy? The video does it seem happy? Oh, I'm not I'm not looking at it. I want to save I want to go into it cold That's fair enough so it can warm up my heart What if we start like crying watching it like we're so happy for our jerry I really am a big softy underneath the coarse rough exterior I could read the rest of the gay doughnuts. Why are we kidding time? Oh, he's yes, he's gonna be I just Oh, it's super chance. I just had him as soon as he accepts Coming in gonna be spooky. Also. Yeah, the chat window will be off for a second while I'm uh I'm glooping my schoops. All right. I will be right back. I have got to piss All right, then do you have to though? A little a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, why did you have to piss? Well, you shouldn't you should well, it's because I I have you guys gonna argue over whether or not you can go pee the rapper rubber Look, I can't let this go. I no, that's a terrible. I literally can No, I mean, yeah, you can but it's not a good idea. You don't have a piss bucket for your Just Why don't we even bring him? What are you? Hello, what would you like to go by? Hey, is it like snowman or is it something else people prefer? Uh, I prefer No, I couldn't think of anything. Yeah I'm brad whatever you can call me whatever you want. Um Uh, that goes back just a long time. I don't know. I you know when like everyone had uh old like Name gamer tags like when you're young and you're playing counter strike with a friend and That that was your name. You're edgy and you think without a w. It's cool. And then so it just stuck I mean, I had my original name online was um, the first one I ever chose the pokemon one Where I called myself anus because everybody tried to find the funniest name to have professor okra fair to you as Anus That was such a terrible word when we were young you can't say anus Well, and when I very first started I had the capital n at the end and a lowercase s which was bad capital in In a lowercase. Yeah, so like at the very end so it was like, you know capital backward kind of thing Snowman snowman are you your boss isn't too mad for you watching our our podcast? You haven't lost your job because we wouldn't want to be responsible for that That's why i'm able to come on they let me go Really they said you're not being productive fuck off already go home and listen to your Like fine you go be on the podcast. What what do you do if you don't mind me asking is it? Um, I'm I'm a youth minister actually I have a very flexible job. Oh, okay Um, I mean would you like to kick it off? You you saw us rambling on about your video? Yeah, well, I was I was just thinking about some things on my drive back. Um just thinking about it and everything and Uh, at least just to start this off. I guess the first thing that came to my mind was There is kind of two separate definitions of objective that I think people use Or that it's like morphed into the accepted, you know Comment space or when people say I wish he was more objective I think what they're trying to say is I want that person to be without bias But a lot of the times the way that Is like perceived is without opinion Which I think are two different things and they're not good things, you know, I mean Um, what what they'll usually say in response is like what you're describing. It's not objective as well founded as jack and Eric put it or as Joseph Aniston will usually just say well, no your opinion is now turned into a fact instead of an opinion Yeah, which is interesting to say the least because I uh, there's a couple of things I'd like to present to him Which is like, uh, you know like everybody accepting that the world was flat or whatever Let's just say they did at some point in history and one guy was like no no, it's it's a sphere Then one guy goes that's just your opinion. You're wrong. You base it off nothing other. They find out it was true It's like oh so all along he was saying a fact Is that so it's based on how much we know changes the statements actual Label if you will it's kind of like, hmm This seems weird while we advocate that it was always an opinion and what it's based on will basically uh determine You could use the word validity, uh, but I think that a subjective opinion is obviously valid It's just careful using it careful conflating the two, um things like like x is bad because I don't like it versus x is bad because it uh It's filled with all these amazing game breaking glitches or something like that. Yeah, and I see that a lot I see a lot of videos where it's like This game the world just feels so barren or oh the world just you know What but like they don't give like specifics or or sometimes that statement inherently is very subjective anyway, right? So there's not much to go off of to present in a video anyway, which is like Equally that just isn't helping anyone right. It's like you're saying if you're just saying yeah, I just didn't like the game Well, that if you're not going to detail or you're not like if there isn't stuff to really Go off of then it's that's just not good um Yeah, so like the the we have loads of issues with with joseph's video I feel like yours is slightly different in terms of what you're going for here, but his was more the uh Wants to draw a line for like what are you I'm curious What was your take on the fact that he said um like genre is subjective So him saying soma's not a horror game is obviously subjective because genre is subjective Yeah, I don't have much of a dog in the race in terms of one side or the other I I think I agreed with his subjectivity video in that From the side of a creator I definitely like felt for him a lot of A lot of the same stuff I presented But the angle that I did try to go from was a bit more of a Can't we all get a long Angle right I can respect that, you know, you know what I mean rather than a than a A lot of people get very emotive and yeah throw shade at people And it's it it's it's bad But at the same time it is it is a fact of the internet You are going to get people who are going to throw shade and sometimes you just have a bit of a thicker skin Not that I'm saying you're thin skin, but no, I I agree a fact of YouTube and it's shitty It would be nice if we could all hold hands under a wing though as it were and plain nice But it's just not gonna happen. Oh, no, I don't know if people this is just something people probably, uh Joe Rogan has Sam Harrison And it's at 6.3 k viewers which is retarded because it's like he would have Way more than that Yeah, and apparently I was doing the same something's going on with I was about to say there's no way chat is this active with a hundred and three people weird Yeah, because I just saw that too. I thought that was really low All right, so everyone in chat what I need you to do is you someone go first start with one and the next person Do two It will use that to find out how many people are in chat And then all right, tell you what I'm curious. I'm curious if uh, if the view count goes past zero One two eleven twenty eight two three. It's going down. It says 80 now. What if it goes to negatives? I wanted to go to negatives negative one views So yeah, if there's that many people commenting, which is usually like at most 30 of the actual audience, uh, right I'd be surprised. Yeah, it's it's fine. Um So this is just youtube fucking up. We haven't said it's because we said faggot Okay, so there seems to be some confusion with my instructions and I thought they were very very Very reasonable instructions apparently we're having some issues keeping an order Also, I just wanted to draw attention j posted a quote from josephata said I want to know if what you thought of it in the video where he said Uh, fuck j wrote it out. I was going to read it, but I've lost it because of all the stupid Oh, yeah, here it is. Uh, more people listen to me talk about fallout 4 in one day than most people have listened to in their entire lives What did you think of that quote? Oh, that uh, that was joseph. Yeah I'm sorry. I saved the quote one more time Uh, more people listen to me talk about fallout 4 in one day than most people have listened to in their entire lives I mean I'm waiting for you to go. Well, it might be true though. It's like it doesn't matter if it's true Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah conceded to say maybe um Are you friends with with josephata? Um from a distance, uh, you know No, I've talked to him maybe once or twice you're attracted to him in non physical way I will say I will say he he commented on my video and said good luck Well, he's he got a shit ton of slack for his I know I know his videos and and you'll find loads people reference the peak joseph as uh Somers not a horror game the statement Is is is one of the best examples to sort of talk about this whole problem because it's like how does genre work? It's like well you know genre they wouldn't it wouldn't His argument is that it's subjective and he says that you would call something a horror game if it's scaring you And my argument would be it doesn't matter if it's scared you if you're dealing with something like amnesia It didn't scare you you don't go well now. It's a comedy. You'd be like well. No if you found it funny You know what I mean like um Yeah, someone could argue tlj is a comedy because they couldn't stop laughing at how bad it was I'd be like it's not a comedy even though I don't think it's good And they get into a complicated discussion about how genre works But the idea that he's walking back on saying soma is not a horror game. It's not scary It's like you can't that Non sequester there's a lot of a lot of people would probably put it We get a lot of those Um, yeah, do you have a take on that or well? What's what's weird is I Put before I made my video I put on I like went back and looked at his because when he first made it I was like, oh, yeah, okay Like I definitely agree with I think like his overall message with his subjectivity video And so I but then I went back and looked at it right before I posted mine And what saw all the negative like I mean just insane negative comments And then so I put on twitter I was like, I think a lot of people are gonna hate this video that I have coming up I was like, maybe this was a bad idea Uh, but surprisingly, I think the vast majority of comments on it were really positive Do Do you think people should be allowed to express negative? Sorry their negative opinion. Yeah negative opinion Do you think people should be allowed to voice their negative opinions? Yeah, of course the the hard thing is um I was gonna say this too that you really only get the discourse When it's and when it is a negative thought right if I made a video That was just praising a game and even if other people hated the game They're not gonna be as lashing out to me because I'm just voicing a positive opinion. You know what I mean Why I don't know why you would throw lashing out and discourse into the same boat Uh, yeah, because there's connotations that come with lashing out how it's like you referring to people saying like Your video is poorly made or you're referring to when I say when I say discourse. I meant I'm a negative discourse. Sure. That's fair it's just that um Because we we are perpetually Having the problem of people being like fucking rags more than and wolf being being those guys, you know The fucking toxic assholes who are just like all those people who harass people online for being in tlj It's like we've never done that. It's like, yeah, but you make videos that make those people think that's okay Like we've never advocated for that. It's like, yeah, but You're you're the negative you're the ass and we're like, what do you even mean? Just because we criticized a movie now we're like demons and they they would absolutely refer to us as lashing out against tlj When we're just like the movie was really poorly written Yeah, I just mean um People coming after your opinion in a video so they comment and say No, no, no that you're totally wrong. That only comes out way more when you say a negative opinion Um, yeah, there's that saying right like if you want the right answer Just give people the wrong one on the internet As in like espouse the wrong position and you'll get the right one straight away. Like say for example if I Couldn't be playing devil's advocate. No, no, it's like so if I if I was like, um Fucking I I need a full list of Films, uh, brian cranson was in I could check his IMDb, but if I just post on reddit, uh It's pretty cool that brian cranson is such a well-known actor when he's only been in breaking bad People will be like, what the fuck you talking they just write out like you're so wrong He's all in all these things. This is amazing mark in the middle. Let's go all these other films now He's in there now. Just be like there you go guys Are you more likely to let somebody know that they've said something incorrect or Tell people that they were correct for saying something that's accepted is correct And people don't typically want to bring you down for celebrating a piece of media But they I still I actually think that's an issue as in people will rip into cinema sins But potentially lying about movies to make them look worse or inaccurate criticisms However, people are less Conflicted about cinema wins when I think and I I'm assuming wolff and rags probably agree with us because we did cover him He has the exact same problem in reverse. He'll be inaccurate about the movie to make it seem better That is what we noticed It is easier to criticize than to praise People give it a pass when it's for positivity. Yes, but if it's for negativity then It it's seen in a different light That's kind of why I just I began the video with that whole preface about games discussion in general Because you just it really you really like especially on twitter. There's so much right now of like, what's your Uh, what do they call it? Um controversial opinion, right? So like your what's your That's not the word they use but I think you've probably seen them. There's all these threads Unpopular pin. Thank you. And so it's like, what's your unpopular? Final fantasy opinion. What's your unpopular zelda opinion? That was a lot like just this last week And so people just like latch on to this like hot take mentality and stuff Uh on the flip side though, I will say I do think It's a vocal minority probably like there's there's a lot more people that are totally fine With a video and they just never say and they never comment anything You know, so I know this is a bit like idealist but like we'd like to believe that if there's a An imbalanced amount of hatred or response to a video then we'd be like, what's the reason then? Let's watch it and find out if there's something particularly disagreeable and oftentimes there will be like, um Joseph annison's videos on horror and on on the correction one like I would I would try and say With most benefit of the doubt 80 percent of the top comments were like, okay However, and then paragraphs Because they were like your videos not making sense. Um Now, uh, you'd be like, well, why is that happening? And then you look watch the video and you might be like, okay, there's some reasons here We I don't know if you heard it, but one of the examples we gave was like Movie bob has been moved over to the escapist Which is pissing people off in general because he ends up in their their feed when all they want is yatsy videos but um He gets like ones that are particularly hated versus ones that aren't it's like, okay So you must have said something in this one and it's just like just watch the diablo mortal video And you'll find the quote where you're just like, oh, this is what pissed everyone off Yeah I mean most of the videos we cover are You know in terms of the like and dislike rate Very positive and so terrible videos My point is that uh, if you've pissed some people off with a video particularly is like And then you find out that it's because of that statement. Let's just say for sake of argument It was the uh Nest games kind of suck then um You know if I was a friend of yours I'd be like have you how many of them have you played and then you give me an answer and I'm like And then what are you reasoning and then go through it all and if if everything's sound I'd just be like Well, as long as you justify the claim ignore them If you don't though then expect those comments also everyone's pressing I do think I do think there's a It's f for the stream. Is it down? No, it's up. It's just that the numbers keep going down I told you negative negative here. We come there's people in the chat that are like, all right guys Bots left. We got a fight to see who gets to watch you Oh, yeah, sorry I was just gonna say sorry. I'm eating a salad. Um that just As creators too like we tend to focus on the negative like What do they say where it's like it takes, you know 40 compliments to outweigh a Negative whatever um Like to just make you feel better about it like like if I if I had 40 comments that said this video was really great I really liked it I would probably take them all as like just one positive But then if there was one negative that was like I didn't like your voice That's the one that'll stick out in my head. That's 100% like a human psychology thing as far as I'm right, right, right Yeah, so I'm saying that's also partly on me where it's like I just probably shouldn't let comments get to me anyway, but No, because you have to put everything in context if you've got more likes than you do dislikes That's all that matters if you've got a high num fans and subscribers, which you do Then you must be doing something right. I think the question you have to ask yourself is uh, why are you doing this? Are you are you there to annoy people or are you here to entertain people? Well, and I think it's probably that I choose it. You're here to entertain and maybe impart some sort of wisdom or whatever. Yeah That'd be a fair surmise. Yeah. Yeah, totally. And you're you'd definitely be in the camp of using objective to mean uh irrelevant of wait like uh, so To be objective you wouldn't be able to have a qualifying statement of value if you were using objective As in a game can objectively have things in it But uh, you can't define whether or not those things are good or bad or positive or negative or over good standard or bad Standard objectively is that I would use objective to mean without bias So like I would try to look at a game and say even if like it was an old game that I had a ton of nostalgia for I can still see the negatives that people don't like about it But that doesn't mean it's without opinion where like I would still have my opinions about it And still voice those and still try to back those up. Can a game be objectively bad? It's hard man, because like I I want to say like yes, but but that's because I feel that way, right? Um, for example, I had a donkey in my donkey on 64 video There was one part where I said I and again, this is older So I was like back then I even had a friend that looked at my script And I was like you probably shouldn't say this because I said But I think we can all agree there are some parts of this game that are objectively bad And I showed this part of like diddy kong doing the rocket barrel stuff and like the controls are terrible and stuff So and again, I'm like in my head. I'm like, yeah, that's like not controversial at all, right? But You know, there's always some people and then you gotta be careful using the word because people will extrapolate Right and so shame you have to always second guess what you're writing And I say that And sometimes you have to be right. Is it really fucking matter? I'm just if you're fine. You're having to censor yourself Then eventually you just you might as well be a fucking mute It was interesting because like if I was playing that game with you and you said God, some of the things you're just objectively bad. Let's just say I was being approved. I'd be like How would you explain why? on that particular thing Right, and then if you whatever you say, I'd be like, uh, I just recommend throwing that in the video instead of saying it's objectively bad, but Just so the um, that's that almost implies that I don't say it I totally say a thing is objectively bad if I've gone through Right I don't know if you're familiar with my stuff But I just take a million years to go through what I consider to be the majority of the aspects of the particular element of the craft that I'm gunning for in which case with movies It's always writing With with reference to a few other elements that I still people think that I think visuals are important in a movie It's a funny myth, but um, every every time there's a new meme There's always there's always ones like, you know rags thinks everything he says is truth sort of stuff like that It's like we have to dispel them all the time Yeah, but uh, yeah, no like so if I go through every element of what the characters are doing What the story tells us how the world building is constructed and I'm finding Uh floors in all of it. I'm basically like, oh, yeah subjectively speaking We're dealing with a pretty bad piece of writing here and someone's like you can't say that It's qualitative based on how you'd feel and it just comes back to the whole um, how you define bad and good That's what I'm saying is like when we would say that I feel like we're saying Come on. Look at both sides here. You got to admit. There's some things that are wrong with it But then they interpret that as but that but but I don't feel that way and so, you know That's instantly a Like a tangent there because you're talking about an objective quality and someone says well, I feel Well, because yeah, exactly they interpret because this is the thing, uh, what was it? Who was the one who said it just right? He said, um It's not objective if someone disagrees that was his standard for objective Yeah, that's a insane. Like I don't even know where that's coming from Yeah, wow, just so out there. I don't even Can you believe he has a channel about writing? I'll say that if someone just disagrees just for the sake of disagree. Well, this is the thing It's like so the earth is not a spherical oblique Spheroid whatever the fuck they call it if uh, if some guy says not flat And if if his point was you can't say everyone agrees objectively Then he'd have a point But he just said no, you can't say objectively because someone disagrees What are useless weird at that point? Right, right, right because nobody agrees on everything as far as i'm aware And same thing like again, I have no idea if you guys are familiar. There's a show that's recent called madness It's by the normal boots group that Just about youtubers and they they debate games and just talk they do like a bracket of like which game do you like better? right now they're doing one on gamecube games and so People get really mad because they're like they're not being objective and it's like what do you What do you want like them to just talk about nothing? But yes, this game is a platformer this game has a lot of people would yeah I was gonna say this is this is complicated because now it gets into uh What is it because let me give you an example I I talked to wolf and rags about the best games on gamecube and I start with We don't do whichever ones we've actually played so I go. I don't know Simpsons hit and run wolf is it is it the greatest thing ever and we go through all the mechanics Then we define this like yeah, it was pretty well made good references blah blah blah Then I go rags. What do you think and he goes? I liked it, but I think it's bad Then I go why and he goes I just didn't enjoy it You go. Oh, yeah, so what did you enjoy and he goes? I just didn't really like it that much Yeah, like objectivity creates a standard through which even if you have or have like if I hadn't played a game If someone just tells me how they felt about it Then that's a huge Take away from what I could get from it instead of them Describing what happens in the game how it works how the mechanics function No stuff that I could understand and grasp even if I have or haven't played it Let's say, um, I discovered your channel today What would make me stay won't be your subjective takes at all It'll be the all the objective information because you'll just be an information dump to me And as I watch it Maybe I get entertained by your jokes and your style and eventually I actually get invested in you And I just want to know what you feel and think about the new thing that comes out And that would be the value I would value the subjective then but at first I'm just like who is this guy and then you go Like here's me breaking down the first level in Castlevania or something like that I'd be like, oh sweet. It doesn't even matter Who he is or his voice or the presentation if the writing is really strong and accurate and well researched or as some may people may label it objective That's why I don't like if I if I watch a youtuber about a movie I'll pick red litter media over Jeremy Johns or Chris duckman like any day and it's not even close But you know the so but if I like say rags and wolf and vox is here we're doing a show where they just talk about whether or not They liked a movie all in a row. I'd probably watch that just because I like all three of them a lot But if none of them If none of them made any arguments, I'd be like guys you could have like, you know Did a bit of research or tried to think about what it is you didn't like instead of just go in thumbs up Thumbs down thumbs up thumbs up thumbs down if everyone's opinions don't correspond to something that's real Then like what's the point really also guys people are saying we're under 10 viewers now. So Luckily all of our 10 viewers are really really quick with the chat. We're going down with the titanic guys So five of those people are us Half that you know, um CJ actually said it's counting down to the end of objectivity. Oh, no Uh, but yeah, I was just gonna say so like a fundamental thing that I think me will And and rags certainly sort of stand for is we want more of the objective. We want to push more of Evidence-based accuracy research all these different things because ultimately like It's totally fine to tell me if you liked or didn't like something I just want to know the specifics or the reasoning or the stuff Although why am I watching your video if I've never even met you? Uh Because I could just find anyone to say they did like or just didn't like and then I think that they do themselves a disservice Just like Joseph Anderson where they do research and they show you all this really great evidence for why The ai is not working properly or the level design promotes a linearity and a repetitive nature or or the um the bosses are really poorly designed something like that and then they go But you know, ultimately, I just don't like the game and that's my opinion and I've presented Everything here is presented as subjective I just you know, and they're really non-committal and it's like no you've done you've done all your research You've showed us all your evidence go for it. Tell us tell us that this game is poorly designed Objectively like you they fucked up in terms of what the actual purpose of all these pieces of design were you don't need to go Um, well, hey man, it's all my opinion Just like anyone else and then the next guy in his video is half a minute long And he just goes yeah, I kind of like this game the ai is pretty cool And the the boss is pretty well designed and I feel like it's very open and Interesting environment. I want to watch people who have confidence in their positions and can articulate them and justify I mean and maybe maybe we'd be in a bit trying to hold everything to a really high standard here I just uh, I think that might be where frustration comes from potentially And it's it's hard too because you also want to make a video that you feel like has a purpose like Generally speaking, I try to avoid quote-unquote just reviews for the sake of reviews Sometimes I still have videos that end up that way but It's nice if you have some sort of like Profound might be a too too strong of a word but like a point that you know Oh make people think oh, I hadn't thought of it that way before and that's harder too, right? I take home Yeah, how how that would contradict with trying to be objective. No it doesn't at all. I'm just saying it's hard I'm saying it's hard. It's on top of all this You don't want to make you don't want to make a nothing you want a bit of variety in discourse because without discourse We will not survive as species and we need to put hate to one side and go out there and spread some serious love And I was going to say like I'm assuming you sort of felt either this way or you still do feel this way but like um Joseph Aniston said like if you were to be objective the video is going to be boring It's just going to be a list of facts and no one's going to care and it's like the idea that um Do you think there's no entertaining way to be objective? That sounds like something a stupid person would say Rags with optics Yeah, no, I really I think that's something someone who's stupid would say For example, like if I was describing the bad AI in DS2 this I I worked hard to make that sequence all very entertaining But it's all references. I'm showing clips and clips commenting on them and you'd be like I would argue it's objective. I'd like to know what people would say is subjective about that sequence And um, it's it's written. It's crafted in a way that's supposed to be entertaining beyond me going The AI is not poorly designed not Well designed the AI does not know where to go in certain scenarios. They're pathing conflicts. They're Uh, they do not know how to target enemies moving on to the next section because this is like Jesus christ may wake up Exactly and that's the thing so then And the joseph anderson did that in his video of the where he did the example of if he made every single sentence In my opinion in my opinion, which yeah, I think that nobody's arguing for that I don't actually I don't believe joseph when he says that he's he's he's doing he's doing a bit where he's trying to Act like this is what it would have to be if this is what we actually looked at his structure And he had a bunch of redundancies in that like certain sentences would would reaffirm the subjective element of it Even though you'd already done it just to be like look how ridiculous it is guys and don't you think that That's not helping discourse at all It's being it's very very disengaging. This is what your team is advocating for look at this nonsense. It's like, okay thanks Because uh, he was he was actively trying to Trying to push the I guess the idea that objectivity and entertaining Are somehow at odds with each other. You can't be both right Maybe he thinks maybe In his world making good content is too hard. I'm not sure Well, here's when he struggles to be entertaining He really his content is very very No, no, I was gonna say I was gonna say I was gonna say like Rigid but in terms that it that it is like it's literally analyzing like you know I find what he has to say oftentimes interesting. It's the fucking way that he says it dude Sure, and I think that's what most people had an issue with I really wish you would pep himself up Like get a bit of I don't know take a drug of some kind before recording Yeah, because this is the thing right this is a bit of a tangent But uh, you know, whenever we deliver our scripts all five of us here, I imagine we want to sound like we actually give a shit Yeah, because if you say the god of war came out in 2018 and it was designed by a group you just like Oh Shit it's videos an hour through what are you talking about time to go to work again? I guess Put in my eight hours You gotta love, you know like inflections or like can be everything and you know This is I guess the point is like that has nothing to do with whether or not you're being objective or subjective Uh presenting like how it's made is on uh is a show that's been going on how many seasons now And it's just a guy present like an easy to listen to guy With good inflection and a good, you know bobbin weave to his voice Just telling you how things are made and it's incredibly entertaining and interesting I was gonna say by the way, have you heard I imagine you would have because you're all about gaming Have you heard of ahoy the channel? Yes, so like I would consider him to be Possibly more objective than I am with his videos And uh, he's entertaining as fuck because his presentation and his voice Like I don't even care what he's talking about. I just just wanted to carry on I guess it is just how you present it, right? It's how you present it how you approach it and making sure you're not like Yeah, and then sometimes sometimes we want to have that that ooh statement that people go Ooh, but like sometimes that's bad and that does lead to oh, you mean just like a bit of fun But then someone takes it very seriously Well, sure. That's that's definitely an example that I like what we were just talking about in my video, but um But even like a Just a very declarative statement. Sometimes we want to drive a point home We'd say something very definitive boom boom boom like just, you know at the end of the sense, but then But then people take that and and like you were saying like extrapolate on it Um and maybe twist it to not even what you were originally saying in the first place And so I think where it all comes down to is statement is made and we'll use this as an example Because it's easiest one somers not a horror game and then they respond that is your opinion And what they mean to say is that you're basing that on how you feel you haven't got any actual evidence for how genre works I say and Joseph only here's the fact they say it's an opinion and he's like, of course, it's an opinion Are you are you fucking with me right now? And then and then they respond is like well, that's not no, but you said it like it's a fact You're presenting your opinions as fact when what they mean is you're presenting a subjective A conclusion that is objective at least to them. That's another conversation about genre And you've got no evidence beyond the subjective because he qualifies it by saying it's not scary Which I don't know if I need to say this but whether or not something scares you is not a definitive You can't just go this is not scary You have to say like it doesn't scare me I don't get scared by it to say it's not scary implies a blanket statement So um and then but it devolves further and further when I think the as we're establishing the whole problem is All the way back at objective versus objective. That's where everything starts And how it's qualified what it means all those things like these videos are getting made and it's um I don't know personally. I just think that it's complicating everything even further It is and then like I was saying earlier too you You don't want to make a video that that no one wants to watch So like I feel like if joseph anderson made a video that said Hey, I kind of feel like personally this game didn't scare me very much People be like what what's the point of this video? You know what I mean that be the whole video or would you assume they'd be more than that? But if there was right, right, I think it would be more than that Right and and hopefully but I guess Well, surely it would it's a it's a fine line. It's a fine line Because because I've had a lot of people say that to me like if instead of calling It's also the way it's titled because I do good game design or the spin-off bad game design And that's just because that's just what I've always called it. It's not some specific reason Just right does the same thing and he he advocated to me and wolf For more than an hour that you can't say something is definitively bad It can only be subjective while he has a series that is referring to things as bad writing or good writing And it's always like that sounds a bit. It's like, yeah, but it's always subjective. It's like Okay, all right and right because that's what a lot of people said is like well What if if you would just called this I personally don't like NES games and it's like freaking like well just as long as they justify it go for Exactly thing. We're on we're actually on Your team for your labeling but for not for your reasons. I think We like it because we're like oh as long as it justifies it and explains like the framing and the standard while you're like It's all subjective anyway, so it still works. Yeah, but My view is also like clickability Yeah, you know what I mean too like it's also discoverability and stuff too I don't I don't think about that stuff on I was gonna say like, you know, you might not that's secondary It's secondary Yeah, you do you at the end of the day Yeah, yeah, yeah I mean I I get I get flack from my show I don't get people You're just another one Negative youtubers, you just want to shit on everything and then I simply just reply. Well the show is called smack talk What what were you expecting? When they accused my my unbridled rages of being a rant. I was like, yeah Good job. They're hints in the title. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's some serious mouth breathers on youtube. Fucking hell I cute just when you yeah like that foxes guy Now tell you um I you know bottom line. I I think I agree with with everything that everyone has said here too and uh Just kudos to everyone too of like we can have a open discussion about things. You know what I mean like I do want to say Thank you for coming on against four people because I don't know if you know who jack sainton eric attacks But they wouldn't come on unless we kicked off rags. They wouldn't do it So thank you. So so thank you for having the balls to come on here against four people that were not exactly We didn't really like your video Well, that's right. I guess that's what I'm trying to say is like I hope That other people can see like you can still have constructive talks and and disagree and even Like openly talk about that and that should hopefully be like a normal human thing and Thank you You are one of a very Rare view that will actually come I was gonna say are you aware of anything between me and joseph anison? No, no, I I actually had never heard of I don't know how to break this this stream Yeah, he refuses to speak to me Yeah, I mean, you know, do you know why? No It's because when I made my first long series that I considered to be like some of my better stuff or best stuff Uh I I I was when I made arguments I thought it would be an interesting idea to throw like random insults on the end and where I'm from Some words are a lot less impactful than they are on the internet. Let's just put it that way And so in and amongst many other insults, so I called him a cabbage at one point, which is very offensive Um, I called him a massive faggot And uh, it was very much in joking tone supposed to move right along and at the end of the video I even say something along the lines of like, sorry if uh, this is a bit much To joseph, but you know, I still like to talk about soma and um, he heard from a fan That I had called him that and he said that he won't speak to me. Uh as a result Oh jeez. So yeah Hey, like we were saying you do you at the end of the day, right? Whatever. Oh, absolutely. Everybody can uh, I I often do he's welcome to choose to not want to talk to us But I think it would be pretty interesting to have him talk about this because he's he seems to be much More steering about it than you are in terms of the whole Like he's cited definitions and had many arguments with people about he seems very holier than thou Well, it's it's all a learning experience for me at the end of the day like I'm I'm still learning and I think I am trying to accept more now That it's like I do have an audience so therefore there is responsibility Because that's all still relatively new to me within the last couple years So when I was tiny channel with you know, less than a thousand subs or whatever and then it's like Well, who cares what I say, but now it's like, okay, you know, there there is some responsibility I can't just act like there's there's none So in what way? Uh that if I recklessly Make massive claims like the persona 5 example without like Stuff to back it up How is that like do you think that does damage or? I think it'd be encouraging um other people to just with not have uh quality conversation And just dismiss things which was like the whole thing of the video I'm saying where it's like just saying things and then without like actually talking about it or you know, I mean Sounds like good reasons to be objective Well, um, it's I advocate less specifically for that more for accuracy just just uh every statement you make let it be Something that can stand say something Try to like you're trying to convince people that you're correct. Here are my reasons Here's why I think what I do and it's based on this this and this And if you have clips and references man gold Bring on more gold. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah, you know good good good luck to the future Is there anything else you wanted to um talk about or? No, I I do I have to run but I I appreciate you guys having me on it was fun Before you go real quick, what is um, what is a a valid opinion? In uh in contrast to an invalid opinion I Mean it's a good question, right? Like we we were talking about thank you very much In the because in the video I said that of like a valid thing and I I do think I just mean Backed up but it goes back to like You know is an opinion more than that like If you just feel that way you just feel that way It might be valid to them even if I disagree with it So some some opinions can be more objective than others Some opinions can be backed up more than others You I was gonna say this is so semantic, but validity would be determined by how accurate The statements are technically yes, I assume like if I said Uh castle venue on the nest is bad because it doesn't have graphics I feel like that's an invalid opinion because your qualifier is incorrect Yeah, yeah, it is It you know depends on the example, but yeah, we would just say wrong To really skip over the part where you say invalid valid because that makes things complicated, but um Yeah, no, I um Just just you could because that's the thing you could be accurate But you could also be more accurate as in I could show you N failing hit boxes or I could show you 100 The 100 would probably be much more substantial because That means it's much more widespread if you managed to collect that amount. I don't know Because it also might come down to what you experienced in that like if we're talking games of like Someone's playthrough of a game will be totally different than another person's and so Even if one person's like, oh all these like things that I I couldn't react to and they you know, they were bad and whatever But then someone else could be like I never experienced that at all So what are you talking about that doesn't make it less real for the person that experienced it Games are weird because it's not like movies where everyone sees the same thing You know, you you could have a totally different experience that you say that there's so many people who would disagree I mean obviously like you you can react to movies differently, but you're you're watching the same thing You sound like a lot on our team Depends on the game doesn't it? Yes, yeah, because like you know because they can fit you different ways like some people Enjoy, honey. You know, um, what's like the least game game there is? Dear ester maybe dear ester um Even as much as I love it like the stanley parable Well, no even that requires interactivity at least a game game would be depression quest by zoe Oh It's an interactive power point Yeah, I was just going to say the way you define that was very interesting because What we tend to say about the objective versus subjective is like the objective is all stuff that's taken from the thing All stuff that's there all stuff is provable versus the subject of which is like what it means to you How it makes you feel how you interpret it like if you know if someone watches Fucking no no terminator and then they say like this has really interesting things to say about communism. You'd be like What and then they go like well, you know how the robot Is like clamping down on everybody and ultimately everybody's the same to the robot doesn't matter if you're an army guy Or if you're a random hobo, you'll be killed all the same communism Okay So, yeah, like the idea of interpretation versus like what's on fucking screen Even though some themes are much more provable than others like you get The last Jedi with Yoda saying the theme versus you having to interpret what what the theme might be You know different things handle everything differently. So it's really complicated But still interesting and it seems like you draw that line similarly to how we draw it But maybe with different words Yeah But yes, uh, you you you're in a you're in a selection of people that's very small the ones that we've we've tackled and I wanted to respond to us. I mean I have another one. I don't know When does a leaflet become a pamphlet? Rags, that's philosophical. We can't fucking answer shit like that on a casual stream kidding me rags I I can't believe you're avoiding the big one is water wet Oh, you know what you know what snowman is water wet. Do you think yes or no to that? I'm honestly really offended that you would ask that Um, I was actually gonna ask him who he thinks the most inconsistent person in the new stars will be but I uh, I haven't asked that for voxels yet Oh, he's gone. He's gone. Is he just gone? I don't know. He's got a minister those youths. That's why you see jared or jared um, eric and What's this stupid name jack? Um You see eric and jack this is what happens when we have an actual conversation with somebody rather than sniping at us on twitter for hours on end Racist dude and complaining because we won't kick off one of our hosts because it makes you feel uncomfortable re You know I give as I give what I get You know even despite how much respect they lost for just right and I mean some of my insults towards him have been pretty facetious, but um It's just the fact that both he and just right were able to come on at random times too And we're perfectly willing to talk to us that says a lot more about them than it does about jack and eric um But yeah, that was interesting and that leads us up to three and a half hours of just about being solely about uh Let's know my gaming's video and then him coming on man. It's like a repeat of just right Please do tonal next. I need something done. Okay. Yeah, we'll do total next Uh, well, wait, do you want to see the jared video? Oh, yeah, we can do that. Yeah, we haven't actually had a jared video on it's been a very it has been a long many moons I was gonna say uh Vox's who do you think will be the most inconsistent character of episode nine barring kylo because he doesn't count Oh Think about it if you need to I'm just thinking Promise there's so many inconsistencies like ah See I think they'll try and bring Finn back on par to be a hero again because He was kind of side threat. It's it's difficult because JJ abrams is now taking the rain again. He's because JJ abrams and Tfa he set up all these mystery boxes And then episode eight came along and ryan johnson came opened all the mystery boxes took a shit in them Put the lid back on and said ah subverted and completely threw out some of these ideas and concepts that JJ had set up was about to set up um Ray will always be a mary sue. So she's definitely going to be consistent She's just going to be fucking amazing. The only thing that's going to change is she'll be even more amazing Because you know, it's the last episode um Carrie fisher will be inconsistent because she's dead It's an interesting take nobody's picked a layer yet The most inconsistent though. I think po I think po will I think they'll do something with po what do you think what do you think it would be? Uh, they'll give him force powers and instead of using a tie fighter to fly Just literally fly himself You know Both hands just flying around this point. I couldn't give a fuck There's nothing they can do to save this franchise. If anything it's going to be like damage control I want to ask can I actually change my answer? No, okay. No I want to say because I want to say lando now. I feel like he's oh that is a good choice. Yeah, shit But he hasn't been established in the other What are the rules on this thing? Do we have to own the choice we made at the time or can we all change them? Well, I don't even think it was like established that lando was going Well, then we can disqualify lando if you want As it you know He's been established as a character before and if he's coming back And I think that makes him fair game No, I'm saying disqualified so that it's a if if wolf was not aware and he would have chosen it had he known Maybe wolf should have done his research. Well about lackman Well, I didn't know he was going to be out yet I'm pretty sure they announced that ages ago before we even started this thing wolf's an evil person. I think I didn't realize that he was going to be sexual when we started look I'm gonna I'll just say the sexual I'll just say Kylo and lando are both the obvious choices that no one's allowed to pick. That's that's gonna be what I'll say for now So what's it's called in pando? um pando So, yeah, I mean Here we go. I guess like uh, it's been a while. Here we go again. Jared Jared Jared I love the fucking title of this stream is going to be so much different from the original intention of it Like when it's like it's re-uploaded it'll be like snowman gaming with special guests snowman gaming We're in these beads in some of his recent videos. I dizzy Is that like a rosary because it dips down on the in the also the Mickey mouse shirt really? Ninja tails are kind of it's in the it's somewhere in the room Uh, let's see this the drums are on routine saw. Oh my god. There's rain His hair though look at his hair man. It's like the mandarin I forgot how much fun it was to cover Jared What's that? Is that a collar on the bed? Um, oh god, I don't I don't know if I want to know I don't think so But let's take a look at the bed. Let's notice that the bed you have the two Like there's two layers of the bedding material you see like a foam foam layer. Yeah, it's like the foam stuff Yeah, he took out the foam and put it on top of it. Do you think it's the table again? It could be a table beneath it. It might not I'm not certain But he does have white sheets Which is a bold bold But you know we have the fish tank is still back there the waste basket, of course the drums are set up The drums are in their the drums um, Are probably the most fascinating part of the lore in terms of how they de-set up and set up their own will Their own convenience. We still got the box with the half-eaten yo-yo's Oh, definitely. That's a nice day another interesting thing We still have the same cup and it seems as if we have a new addition in the top left Which is a power rangers action figure that I don't Jared you got a new thing Well, I don't know it might have just been somewhere else, but it's very possible. Who knows what some Can you see this I got the mouse over it if you've got the stream up But in the in the top right down a bit it looks like half a mannequin, but the trousers part Wait, you know what I mean like I'm looking at it and I'm trying to figure out what it is But I would picture it wires draped over something. Yeah, that's just looks like wires. It's above the fish tank to the right Yeah, I looked at the stream. I saw where your mouse was, but I don't think that looks like a mannequin. I can't really be wires Maybe there's wires near it. Maybe I don't know what that is, but Do I mean like you take a mannequin put trousers on it and cut off from the waist up? I'm not seeing it. I'd have to like draw it. He makes his videos in glorious 1080 So maybe if you look at them on youtube, it'll be a little clearer The handle some people seeing it's a shelf. Yeah, it might be. Oh, you know what? That's what it is. It's the shelf and the the the fact that it's a slightly different color made me think of it as something else I'm seeing and it's it's completely different now. I can see it as a shelf Thank you chat. These things are hard to really figure out even if we're jared genesis scientist When are we gonna get 4k jared? Yeah Greetings all it is Lord genesis here and Today, I just it's a very special day for me. I can talk right? Today's a very special day for me A thousand subs. I really don't even know what to say. I don't know how to respond to this But all I can really say guys is thank you Uh, thank you from the bottom of my heart for this You're all amazing awesome people. Uh, I wouldn't I would rather have no one else But you guys by my side really I appreciate every single one of you Who sent in my channel the swagger level is just too high Uh, it's almost I can tell it's affecting the ozone layer in my room There's a layer of atmosphere. It is a layer of atmosphere. That's true. That's true Do you think like the burned the burn marks on the door like they're not burn marks? We've been over this Well in the jared lore I was gonna say in universe in universe. It spins I mean, do you think the fire like the conflagration of 2016 or 2017 or whatever the hell we decided it was going to be Is is like what caused a hole in jared's ozone layer in his room And it's been repaired as of a thousand subs I guess so we'll only be able to confirm that Look it. He's still got the whole basket in the back. He's got the what? The halloween pumpkin Side. Yeah He'll need it for october. He'll be there This is one of the most consistent tv shows. They always have the old characters and the old events landmarks. They're always in the background Wait a second. Notice his chair also has changed. He's had the new chair for about a month now Oh, yeah, it's it's a really nice looking chair. Yeah, it's a nicer chair because I think the first video it popped up in was Um probably Um looking boogie shows his true colors this holidays Where's the safe though Um probably under his bed. It's under the under the table. It's under his foam It would make for a good base thinking about it Do you think he still has those like used q-tips on his desk? Maybe one or two He made a video about desk lore and the q-tips seem to be there. So He has a video called quick pipe tutorial Like a smoking pipe. Oh Could that be what's on the badge next to the collar? Anyway Anyways guys There's just almost too much swag. Uh, I have to get like an oxygen tank because it's just Oh, it's too much. No, but seriously guys. Thank you. Uh, I appreciate you guys so so much And the fact that a weirdo like me, you know with power ranger dolls on his drawers and A messed up bed can have a thousand sides Messed up bed Sarah that'll think that it really exactly counts bad, but you do you buddy, you know, just really it's a bed, man Yeah, it could happen to youtube bro for everyone out there watching this who may be having trouble on youtube just Keep working your hustle man Just to get over fucking a hundred views over hundred subs And as embarrassing is that as that is to tell you guys I just want you to know that you all have the capacity to be big successful youtubers It just sometimes takes a while to find your niche Now i'm not trying to brag here. I'm not trying to make it sound like a thousand subs is you know Like that huge But i'm simply just saying you know to to get out of the 50 sub club as I call it It is possible for all of you and I want you to know that twice actually this is pretty motivational I think there's a lot to learn. Yeah the 50 sub club That was so so when you got 51 subs you're out of the club Oh really is that how that works? I I get I will I I assume based on the group name You're literally only be a member of it for the moment that you get that subscribe that pushes you to 50 A no but with 50 and then boo it's a very You run to the club meeting like guys. I'm here. Oh someone subscribe Shoot a very very best success for everyone watching that uh for everyone watching this I'm sorry guys. Oh my god. You know what I just realized he can stream now Oh my goodness you have to get subs to be able to stream Yeah, you need a thousand subs to stream. I think it was 10 000. There you go. No, no, it's 1000 tell him You should tell him Jared. Please stream. Oh my goodness Can you imagine can you imagine like jared efap people doesn't bed milk? How are their bed emojis too? Well, it was so bad milk is uh bed milk is a little different So it was upset that there was no cabbage milk earlier would be That is no cabbage emoji. It's like no, there are too many. Uh, there were too many earth grape milks Me I can't really talk today But uh, really though, I'm just I'm in shock by all this. Uh, it's happened very fast for me I was you know, it seemed like just yesterday I was at 50 subs, uh, you know, uh making rant videos about boogie2988's and that was yesterday I still do that That was literally so so long ago. Oh wait, that was yesterday I still do that actually But no, seriously guys really like this is just this is a trip for me, man It means a lot now. I'm extremely red pilled and I've always been And so I don't expect to have You know 100 000 subs in the future But I want you guys to know that I realize I do have an opportunity at a thousand subs And I do want to make use of that the best that I can How many subs I get from that? Well, I don't really know But shit man, even if I could get like 4,000 5,000 that that would be super Everyone's sub to jerry. I'm very happy though. We're on that even if I don't get any more subs I'm still very happy. I feel like I've accomplished something And I will continue to make you guys videos The dankest of all the dank. I will try my best Um, but yeah, I'm I'm certainly gonna make use of this opportunity I'm gonna try to livestream Oh my god, he even says he's gonna try to livestream. Oh boy. Wow. That'd be something else people can like pay him Oh my god, he might actually have a job For the first time. It's oh my goodness. He might like this could be his Thing this could this could be his big break Like jerry jerry here's what you gotta do buddy. You gotta set up um adsense And then you gotta start streaming get those super chats dude This this could be your thing I'd rather watch him than like drunken peasants. Oh, honestly Just because you fucking shredded odyssey. Wait, why would you want people to see that? Fucking go after odyssey. That's shit. I can't believe that even happened That did happen such a weird thing that happened So strange to be in a stream with onisian of all people I told people that I was like so like yesterday I was on a stream of the drunken peasants and I talked to anisian and people like what? What even Oh videos I've been editing a little bit here as of late. I mean, it's nothing huge, but I have been fooling around with that um But yes, I do want to do the most that I can Quoting lord genesis to do it. Okay the way that I do it But yeah, no, um in terms of efap and stuff like that I just wanted to say this like it's been a lot of fun And I really had a lot of fun, you know talking to you guys and You know memeing out with you guys But I think my time with efap is sort of fading off And I'm kind of just sort of jerry you can be on efap whenever you want buddy It'll it'll come and go and it's like a roller coaster. There's ups and downs I mean, I'm sure he'll his opinion on this will change It's a seasonal lock. It's a seasonal lock Yes, he's gonna he's gonna go to his own planet and then he'll come back like to save the day and several memes And I think it'll draw him back in the comments and then your idioms You know Another marvel movie coming out soon. Imagine the amount of memes people can make from that once it's available on blu Oh my god, captain jerry Marvel's gonna be a thing Yep, and of course end game But I do I wish the best to uh mawler rags And word of the wolf. I think that they're really cool people and I'm lucky to know them And I do wish them continued success, but Right now. I'm just sort of focused on me, you know doing my thing And I hope that you guys like whatever I do, but yeah, just realize we love everything you do jerry Everything very best And uh, you know, I I want more than anything just to have fun with you guys to interact with you Uh, I love talking to people, you know, just even just to say what's up You know, I don't just want to be one of those you too. This guy could run for president I don't know. I'm just saying that that chair by virtue of He's already president. He's got the haircut of kim jong-un See It's a telephone head. What hold on kim jong-un store that haircut from jared Jared was the originator of that and he's the only one who can pull it off as effectively as this And honestly it's offensive to even pretend that everything isn't influenced by jara genesis like I mean it does keep him dry in the rain This is true It's true and it's you think it like spreads out and solidifies under the rain and he's His own original umbrella over his head It acts as a you know Area of comfort for airborne mammals as well. That's undeniably important. Can you imagine like a airborne mammals? So bats like bats is what you're saying Only airborne mammals are matt our bats. I just realized he could be like radigast the brown Where he'll have like birds living in his hair Yes, maybe but they'd be bats They're white flying mammals aka bats. Well, you can have a flying squirrel Hold on white white line. They follow. Why does it have to be a mammal though? He he said flying mammals. So I was like, oh, he did I didn't realize that all of it. Yeah, I'm I'm saying that his hair is too good for bids I'm sorry like I'm putting out because mammals are better. Well, hey flying fox bats are Are basically as it was cast puppy cats with wings puppy cats with wings Puppy cats with wings. Have you ever seen a flying fox bat? Hold on. I'm gonna show you a picture of a flying fox bat. It's the most adorable thing ever That's our cute flying fox bat. Here we go. These things are fucking retardedly cute Do you have uh, you have a lot of bats over there in your country? We posted in in the thing chat Thing chat thing chat thing chat with the bat be flying animal chat thing chat Um, here we go fucking take your time wolf Oh, jeez. Look at him. He's such a cute guy. I don't know Uh Okay, hold on. I got another one this one This one you can't you can't say no to this face Why do you have these pictures of bats? I'm just I I'm literally just going on google images right now. Look at that Look at him. He's like He's like an adorable little Puppy cat with wings Yeah, I could see it more in second one, but Why do you keep seeing puppy cats instead of kittens? Because I don't know it makes me sound less gay. Maybe I don't know man You've got at least 80 gay here. Like I don't know. All right, that's True, but Come on Is it part of the law that the puppy cat bats nest in Jared's illustrious locks? Is that what we're saying? Yes, okay. Okay. I understand. All right. Um, there's potential art to be made there Oh god get bail when the trawl bunch of bats nestling in his hair And he's like super muscly with the 10 rings of power And Who's in it for like a business? I was just watching a guy. I'm not going to say his name But he was talking about youtube and how like he says I don't respond to every single fan because you know if I do that then that makes it just seem like i'm absorbing it And you know i'm not trying And it's like dude. Fuck off man If you're making it into a business Then you're in it for the wrong reasons. It's about having fun and interacting with people dipshit. Yeah If you don't want to do that, then don't be on here Sorry guys. That's just how I feel bro. One case. Thanks again I'm gonna drop some special videos for you here to celebrate thousand subs Also, I'm gonna try to livestream. Uh, I'll probably be live streaming pretty soon here I just really haven't been inspired to do it as of late milk. Don't worry though. I will I promise you guys Stay tuned for that. I'll let you know whenever I decide to do that But uh, I am on discord. So add me on discord if you like I'll leave it linked in the description And uh, also i'm on steam if you want to add me on steam. Oh my god, can we get jared in for you guys? Love all y'all. I mean, yeah, if we figure out the right game, maybe a game he likes I don't know jared left for dead. Stay rad peace get left for dead, buddy He indeed has linked this his discord and steam. Absolutely. Yeah Look at the top right one. Look at his shirt. He's got cats in space Everyone go subscribe to jared genesis How many meme videos God Jared so proud of you This is a strange one I don't know what to make of this. I am putting it into our thing Because it could it's just i'm confused by it. Um What Molar and wolf accompanied by rags versus eric taxon and jack saint two on two tagged wwe2k 19 preview Oh Well, they actually said eric as well Or they can't see your fans can't see as we get ready for this tag team What is eric wearing Well, at least he's wearing something Such a show voto Just like real life. Mm-hmm. My hero. Oh I feel the power It's absolutely perfect It's literally Yeah This is incredible. This is so accurate Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness God they got them so accurately I'm curious how they'll do us though Oh, what if what if they bring out jared though? Did they get someone to like do the voice for that? I don't know. Maybe the game has a built-in name thingy How big is this match for these six teams here? Cross with logic Yes, I don't fuck it up. Molar. I mean you're on the team too. Well, this is accompanied by rags I'm curious Man, everyone's feeling the power What's happened is you I don't know I'm David Jraman Oh, well, I am bald and I do it Although my beard is way bigger than that I'm actually 201 Thank you very much. Wow. This is just so inaccurate to real life Byron, what can we expect to see from these two teams here tonight? Michael? I almost thought it was girls for a second clinic in tag team competition That's how good these girls are He means gerald It's like gerald, but with a t Gare, why didn't you pronounce his name that way gerald? gerald gerald garrals girl Oh my god. What's wrong with you world gort. Oh my god. I'm on fire. I love stickers. Oh god. You've got like Wolf arm guys. Oh god I'm David Jraman, but it's the did you know that stickers was named after the mars family horse It's gonna end like right before it stops Uh-oh the hat's off. Shit's going down. Yeah, there must be a fair amount of customization to this I guess You're so big It's so good That is a very strange, but very wonderful video. Oh, man. You got eric and jackard perfect So, um, this is the thing we're uh, we need you at four hours. I don't know what what we should do here commit to another video Maybe um Brian close out with that donut thing. I don't know What donut thing? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We hit we had um, well, I I mean I could eat and stuff So I have no problem if you want to call it there Yeah, I mean Vox is you're comfortable with reading the remainder of what you found Hello, yes, uh, yeah, I'm happy to read that. Uh, we're not covering the Sorry, we're not covering. Yeah, we can't it's up to you guys up to you Wait, well the thing is right the other one we got the plan for today Anyway was the next one was going to be the the Vox video about dr. Who and women we could do that Because it's five minutes 40 seconds We apparently, um Jared wants on right now Right now. No, we need to have any it should be its own. I feel like it should be its own But how many times if we tried to set something up and then it didn't work out if we can get him on now Oh, shit, uh, I'm fucking retarded. I just realized. Yeah, I've got to do all the super chats as well. So That's gonna take at least a half an hour depending on how much we talk about them. So, uh Should we do that Donut finish Yeah, yeah, let's do that. That makes probably enough sense and then we'll we'll save the stuff for the next time Even though the we've got lots planned for what can happen next time on efab, but um, yes, Jared We'll still cover these videos. It'll just be and I'm pretty open on schedules for efab. So you just let me know when you guys can Make it no Jared in chat or Uh, I don't know Just well, if you can figure out adding him wolf and then you can add him to the chat if you can do all that while I realize Yeah, he put his I forgot he put his uh Thing in the description excellent, um Okay, so Jared's temple, oh my god, he's got his own surfer Oh great the fucking page is frozen Only the highest level meditations Oh Um, so I'm not sure what to make of this one. It says rags. Can you tell Jared liked his fallout 76 video? It's that supposed to mean Jared like rags video. Yeah, I guess Jared really liked, uh, I guess Jared really liked My fallout video. I guess that's what they're trying to say and and and if that's the case I'm really glad that he did Uh, not now. I have class. Damn it. Um, at least I'll have the recording later I love all you guys content more of you considered having bandit incorporated on efab He's doing a great series on tlj. I have no idea who that is but um, I will I feel like I've seen a couple of his videos before I'm curious what the uh, the series might be I'll I'll check it out see maybe if he's interested. I don't know. What do you think of the endgame superbowl ad? um I haven't I haven't I I'm here's my thing about in game. I'm not watching any trailers No footage. I want to walk into this thing cold In that case, I can't really talk about it beyond saying I really like no No, it's already ruined. It was I don't bother likes it, which means it's objectively good Uh, here's another couple bucks. Gotta go back to work and we'll watch later. Have a good stream and watch memes Oh, there was memes lots of memes. Oh, there. Oh, we Uh, sidmyos 5 should be the game We could do sieve, but I feel like if you don't have everybody Aware of how sieve works and how to play it wouldn't it could be cooperative sieve against like a super powerful like enemy maybe Well, wait, no, no because we got to make sure everyone makes it through because Yeah, maybe Yeah, just like a like meme wars or things. Yeah, we're gonna keep everyone around for robot head will eventually happen He spoke to me on twitter. He seems like uh, he wants to come on Oh god, bilbo baggins is in jared's discord server Uh, jared get online already Uh, what happened to the no nudity rule? Can we go back to that please? I'm assuming they're talking about the uh, the meme Nope. Oh, right with the upcoming no nudity is a shitty rule with the upcoming godzilla film I want to recommend the best of the franchise godzilla 1954 and shin godzilla 2016 Uh, I've not seen either of them Um, baowen made that picture for me. Oh, that was in reference to the um Uh, the jj banks one, I guess that was baowen who drew that as well Uh Fair enough, uh, these fan videos never disappoint. They've all been great We've got another another few still left for showcasing for the next time One wolf is more excited for jared reaching over a thousand subs than jared himself is I know it's beautiful No, jared is I've been waiting for this moment for many a month. He's trying to temper his excitement Okay, jared is online after we're done with the super chats of bringing it up in no matter if you like it or not Yeah, yeah, let him know. We'll try and do it quickly. Um, Did you tell him about the 24 hour efap yet? I I think it may have been discussed on the second part of the jack saint efap But yeah, the idea being that if we reach 100 episodes I will do my best to run a 24 hour efap and we'll have rotating guests obviously because I'll try and be the one that actually stays the entire 24 and I don't know how I break it up on youtube considering They cap at eight hours, so I probably do like a seven seven seven seven Seven voting 21 28. Yeah Seven voting 21 and then the you should be split into four Um, probably but yeah, uh, that might happen But we still uh, I don't know I don't know that we'll reach episode 100 before the end of this year So we've got some time to think about that I missed you guys. Good to have you back. Thank you very much I've uh, I hope you're having a blast guys. I sadly can't watch the stream live question Could one save the narrative of tlj through a few retcons or would you have to reboot episode eight? You'd have to reboot the whole sequel trilogy. Yeah, you gotta go mean by save the narrative exactly Save the tree Uh, but yeah, no, I'd say you need a complete reboot because this is the thing if you made a good consistent movie in episode nine It's probably gonna contradict episode seven and eight Yeah, man. It's it goes so deep. The rot is just to the core Hey, Mola recently heard you Welsh. I'm from south Wales near Cardiff. What about you? I mean, I'll probably Do my best to say I'm in Wales. It's probably better that I don't tell people exactly where I might be But no, cool. Cool. Cool. Uh, Lord Janet Lord Genesis versus PewDiePie I thought you probably want to do a fair fight like PewDiePie times 10 or PewDiePie with steroids and Um, you know, given the infinity gauntlet. You just put him straight up against Lord Genesis. What's the point? Like, haven't you seen the meme they made? It was not a shaggy at 99 power still gets beaten by gary genesis. So Um, I believe it 100% from creamy. Sheeve. He said he was really glad we were able to get to his video Of course Um Dang, I missed the memes. Well, they'll be on they'll be on record. Uh thoughts on Broly voice actor getting me, too Um, I don't know really much of that I I don't know all of it, but it sounds like a whole lot of bullshit It's apparently like this voice actor is like a super nice guy and he hugs people at conventions And some chick was like, I didn't want to be hugged And then Well, she threw a temper tantrum and now he's fired And it sounds wonderful And it's really stupid. Yeah, I don't know anything about it, but uh, I'm sure it sounds like it sucks. Um I'm worried about you more. You keep mumbling frantically in your sleep saying no, not the spam bush Please no more spam bush here. Take this money for therapy blessings of Jared be upon you Uh, that's a reference to the ds2 series Uh, but thank you blessings of Jared be upon you, too Evolved critics portray themselves as academics. Some are actual film students Yeah, they're passionate for art boils down to these get degrees. Um This is the thing I don't know the context in which it would be relevant to cite your fucking academic film learnings uh in a video outside of when you're just telling someone what your history is If you were like this film is this this is this and I know this because I'm an uh, I'm a film student And I've passed every exam so I I know it's true Like you wouldn't that's not how you'd phrase it So I'd just be curious to try anybody to use it though Stand completely independent of your school Gotta go now. Here's another five. May the objective be with you and my you my young apprentices I will watch ifap later with great interest beautiful Bonsoir from france you beautiful bastards rags. When can we expect a new video? Good to see you back in business glorious doggo Uh, probably in the next few days. It's gonna be another long one Oh, there you go, but I need to do some dog bite stuff too. Um, but yeah It'll probably be in the next uh day or two because I'm just about wrapped up with it But it's just gonna be long. It's gonna be over Probably an hour 20 hour 30 Um, I'd love to have wolf tribe a son of five so you can do a media reloaded type video on it The writing characters in this game are frustrating Oh Yeah, it's japanese Chin chin chong bing bong long man bad and that was from confucius in 479 bc The quote makes sense to me is on a tablet Hmm well done steak with mcdonald's barbecue sauce Snowman didn't even get through the first half of the game persona five before dropping it like a modern games journalist shake my head Oh That would probably inform why he didn't have a lot to say objectively about why the game was Bolting if you didn't even complete it it would be tougher Um to make like definitive statements I suppose um Steak with guacamole and lemon says the mexicano I mean was it well done steak It's me again. This is samael Question for y'all. It's a hard hitter. Which would be worse way to die being set off fire or eaten by bears Um set on fire Yeah, well fire poundies is one of the worst ways to go really um It depends on how slowly the bears eat you I was gonna say, yeah They tend to go for the jugular because they want to kill you off so they quickly so they can yeah But if for some reason the bears were like let's start at the feet and like listen, okay, so here's the view You might actually enjoy that So let's say the bear rips off your leg that means you're you you only hurt in one place Right, it hurts like a bitch. I'm sure but you only hurt in one place Now imagine your whole leg on fire Yeah, but eventually like your whole body like the the sensory Yeah, doesn't fire seem like noobs Yeah, but yeah, eventually when it hits that vital and you're just gonna die or you're gonna pass out from like the shock or something We need to ask somebody who was Well, we we as well Well, you gotta remember this is like how would you rather die? So we'd have to talk to an undead bear victim Burn victim Ideas to what if a man fell into a furnace head first with a bear dangling him into it while eating the leg So he's getting both experiences to tell us which is worse What we really need to do is we need to find someone who is mauled by a bear And then died and then came back to life and with maul or not mauled uh burned alive by fire. Yeah mauled by fire bear I hear I think that it comes down to I think that a bear will kill me faster than the conflagration will And pain all over Is uh Yeah, I can't imagine it being fun. Yeah, I I imagine the bear would just like rip my head off and be like, oh well It's done, but the fire burned For a while. I'm more I recently directed a friend who likes the last Jedi to your channel and he realized his mistake Thank you for saving him We saved another soul Joe's fantasy and apologized for his 4.76 review length. Wasn't it only an hour? It's like an I haven't watched his video because I just finished a video, but Let's just check for a you're sorry hour and five minutes. What the hell? Oh, come on. Mine was two hours and 35 minutes There were things I didn't even talk about use system shock elevator music for the next elevator music moment, please No, it has to be the same every time the beautiful People are putting fire bear in that Two educated men watching dogs bark at each other that yeah, that was a wonderful moment. What's better cherry flavor or blueberry flavor? Flavored what? That's that's the that's the part is philosophical that he's asking from a fundamental level of uh, which which are better So so what was it blueberry and wells cherry? Blueberry, I think I'd pick blueberry Blueberry or cherry. Mm-hmm. I'd definitely pick blueberry There you go pineapple pizza is culinary heresy agreed Which would be worse your dad dies and then your mum gets remarried to quinton reviews or your mum dies And your dad gets remarried to movie bob Uh, well movie bob made me quit e-fap for the night. So I'd say that would be worse. Would you rather quinton be your mother-in-law or movie bob be your father-in-law? I would rather them both die honestly, but wow harsh um Fire bear milk Fire bear milk it's spicy Uh, so I mean if I had to be chosen to be related to one of those two it would be quinton because I feel like I Could uh, argue him out of his insanity while movie bob seems to be So You could you could play uh catch with him play catch with your old man quinton It's like really emotional and happy throw it back and forth. He just goes I've really enjoyed spending my time. So thanks He goes Go long son. Oh, by the way, I really fucking hate trump. You're like dad. No Dad we talked about this. We just want to play catch. I fucking hate trump. That's it. I'm gonna beat your mother actually Who's more likely to turn you into a transgender quinton or movie bob? Movie bob definitely Sorry, it's just that's how it works. Well, he they got to wipe out our toxic mess Rags is like a weird cat. That's a super chat Well, you can go and fuck yourself too I'm hey wolf. How is your book going? It's going No one ever asks why it's going Hey wolf, why is the book going? I because I can't stop writing it. Why is your book going? I just answered that I didn't hear Because I'm on a philosophical level. I can't stop writing it. I don't know. I feel obligated to finish it like you're addicted I are you like the like the numbers lady? I can't stop writing the numbers The reference from the movie from nicolas cage knowing knowing the movie from Yeah, the movie from nicolas cage. Oh, you should have just gone with the black ops campaign not that cage move I know what you're talking about though. I saw knowing Um, all the why do mom and dad fight that's because they're they're both horrible people and they only live to fight That's that's the easy answer Pineapple pizza milk. Oh god The last Jedi 2 will be the greatest standalone sequel ever conceived by man I implore you all to learn how to art the last Jedi 2 could you imagine if they called episode 9 that it'd be so funny That was Someone in the chat said I'll do you one better. Who is your book going? Um, wolf and rags keep arguing it's hilarious. How long till mr. H reviews is on Mr. H reviews Is that somebody anyone knows I've never heard of reviews. It's referencing something. I should know I think I've seen him. Oh, he's 173,000 subs Uh, I I don't know him unfortunately, but maybe one day if he's interested Also, wolf. Do you like edward buck Nathan fillion in halo and have you read his books? Um, I like him in od s t. I don't like really anything about About what you cut out I liked him in halo 3 od s t halo 5. He's the only redeeming quality to it and the books with him and are terrible Well, there we go. But wax gamers said tackle movie bulb again. It's like, I don't know man It literally killed wolf. We did that I like it legitimately unpleasant to cover him It was giving me a headache Yeah Bull crap. You can't watch videos you agree with. Hmm. Can we agree that rags is effaps gavin? What's that? Well, it does gavin mean like I don't know is gavin like secret code word for extremely intelligent and handsome Well, here's the thing. Are we talking about gavin from like rooster teeth or gavin mckinnis? What would it be in reference to rooster teeth? Wait, is gavin the the weird? I just know that there's a gavin There they're at least I think there's a cap in there. Oh here. Let me let me take a look gavin rooster teeth And rags the cat was a human turned into a cat and the big burger is a way to check stats. It's kind of goofy. I know Gavin free from achievement hunter Oh I don't watch achievement hunter. So I haven't watched it in a really long time I don't even remember which ones were which I guess we're doing better than machinima Well, yeah, I think everybody's better than machinima if they exist Uh Well, if you should seriously consider reviewing venom after aquaman, I found it much worse to sit through please lord It's pronounced venom praise lord genesis and shout out shorn ranklin Shout out shorn ranklin. Yeah. All right shorn ranklin. Please don't be like a nazi or something Shorn ranklin is the guy who uh, he makes a lot of the the montages of wings of redemptions clips The joke is that people shout out shorn ranklin to piss him off and that he quits streaming Uh Just got paid today. So here's my tithing to the apostles of jared. Thank you very much Oh, yes everything in service to lord jared wolf. Have you gotten past the eye of the world yet? I've always thought the story improved greatly in book two a great series to have in front of you Yeah, I'm uh towards the end. I'm like in the last hundred pages of the great hunt I like it Well, there you go Just saying thanks for inspiring me as I blog as At do as I speak not as I say I wrote 8k words on tlj's character badness in 14 days of a christmas beautiful You guys seen stars the third gathers backstroke of the west yet the best always film hands down Might make for good april first e fap. Maybe we've been asked that on e fap before it's something I need to see but i'm not sure what capacity maybe an audio commentary We could do for that considering it would probably be copy strikes heavily You could probably do the holly uh the holiday special Would that be copyrighted? No, it's it's archived. Um because disney doesn't own it because it was I don't think anyone wants to Even short chelukas is like i don't Yeah, yeah, but it's on youtube so you can't find it on youtube and that's all there in all its Glory, yeah, yeah, let's do it. That's we could do that um Bullet sponge enemies cough the division cough. I never played the division I that was a thing that turned me off the division Yeah, it's a thing that prevented me from actually finishing the game because once the enemies took like 16 magazines to actually kill I was like this game sucks. Yeah I mean the story's already pathetic, but I mean the the world was ugly It was not fun to play I thought the the world building was great in that post boat, but it was just everything else No, no i'm talking about the i'm talking i'm talking about the visuals like you compare Looks great Uh, compare it to all the e3 downgrades. Oh, yeah, yeah, that was all I remember that. Yeah I mean it was actually in my opinion a worse game than destiny I didn't play the first i haven't played either so Oh, don't don't just don't yeah, the division is just the most bland flat lifeless worthless game ever I can't even believe how they get to see it. I was much rather like an insane number of enemies that were easier to kill Like like vermin tide Or are there just waves of them coming at you and you just fight them off and fight them off instead of like a fewer Number of enemies that you just pour damage into what I wanted was a good story and the game was not Not it was only capable of doing this like oh, hey, we've recreated new Good for you. I don't care It was very uh incongruous Like you're you're shooting people point blank in the face and they're wearing a hoodie And it's not even like a kevlar hoodie. You're you're shooting gang bangers in the face Yeah, like you you actually like dump like a hundred bullets and Yeah, don't die and it's really stupid and they'll hold their guns sideways. So you really want them dead But uh, yeah, the division was quite disappointing in really terrible. Um From scalington. He said I wish e-fap gaming would not interfere with e-fap We've only we've only had two though. Yeah, again to clarify. It's not taking over It's just something we'd like to do when you know, sometimes we're like, you know It'd be cool if we could just goof around for a bit instead of uh, yeah, we don't cancel e-faps to do e-fap gaming That's not that that's not actually that's not a thing that happens It's not like we we come together and say when are we free are we gonna do an e-fap or an e-fap gaming? No, but one it doesn't come at the expense of the other. I promise Uh, first console is a ps2 live ratcheting clank and sly cooper excellent choices Very very good games. I wrote an essay for a professor on why objective should be in art I also posted in the more subreddit plan to write More so any feedback would be appreciated also making memes on jack to post well wonderful and Yeah, um, there's a lot of people who will probably help you out in that subreddit. It's been very um It's very interesting to see it grow because uh, I saw it when it's literally like the one guy who made it And he's just posting things on it. But now it's got like quite an active community There's even people posting there who really don't like me to try and get um, a sort of perspective on on I don't know conversation about my stuff. So You should probably find lots of people who'd be willing to sort of add into that. But uh, good stuff, man Question for wolf I already spoke to rags about this, but what is your opinion on metro exodus going over to the epic game store? Uh, it's so stupid. I mean, it's already it's great Yeah, I mean the epic game store has just a myriad of issues that a lot of people have pointed out But the the problem I have a lot aside from like the fact that it was available for pre-order for like the past year So it's already stupid Uh that they would take that away. I mean the epic game store. Yeah, you're gonna get a higher cut but Very few people want to use that platform I don't want to have to choose between 80 different platforms to play my games Yeah, here's the with when it comes to like i'm fine like steam should have competition But the issue is that A epic store doesn't have any reason to be there other than them Than them essentially paying off a company to make exclusive games for them. Yeah, and look I mean so many features that steam has and One of the big issues is that they leave it up to the developers of the games whether or not they want to allow like reviews Like that's fucked up Yeah, and you know, here's there is a way you could have done this like, uh, soft games still open them deem Which is nice. Um But they didn't choose to do that. They chose to shaft everyone and put it on this stupid like oh a year later You can steam Well, I mean the developer's response to it was really bad too and it's a really Crying shame because Demetri Lukowski is the one who actually wrote the game this time Um, or at least had a good chunk of input Um, and I really like his stories. So I was really I mean, I'm still eager to play it I pre-ordered it. So I still got it through steam, but and a lot of little things go a long way Um, there is a game that just released apex legends That's on the origin store and it's oh, yeah, I'll play it But it has an interesting option where you can link your steam account and it automatically puts all your friends list on origin So that when they're online, yeah Um, so that's that's like an excellent thing and that little thing goes such a huge way Of finding all of the people that you already have as friends on a new essentially platform And playing with them really easily That's the kind of thing that they need to do it just but steam offers so much so much that just isn't just game selection But friends and messaging and voice chat and reviews guides built-in workshops Sales events all sorts of crazy stuff that steam offers for all its problems but Epic can't compete with that and they're doing that. I don't want competition on the basis of exclusivity. That's one of the reasons I hate consoles Mahler get apex legends. It's free and all three of us can play it. So actually really, um We think an effect gaming for that. Oh just in general I was in general too. Mm-hmm I mean you should play it, but The uh, the spawn camp said the next eFap adventures will introduce wolf bot. I'm pretty sure the eFap adventures is being made by I don't know if that's the same guy, but I mean it would be interesting to see how that would be implemented some form of Like narrative where wolf bot comes in every once in a while to fuck everything up kill everyone I can see terminator being used, baby. I don't know Uh, calm state of watch. We're looking forward to seeing this on mula. Keep on eFap and hard boys. Oh, yes The earth is a gay doughnut True if the earth is round and why does it hit when I pee see That's never been addressed because you have kidney stones I don't know. He could have some sort of uh Sexually transmitted disease Thanks to the will be or maybe your piss is just fucking. Oh, it is is really thick and rich It's like eFap yeah, eFap has been abreast Just drink more water Yeah, and you know Stop peeing if that's what's happening. Just stop it Um eFap has been a breath of fresh air life has been very mere lately. So having this has cheered me up a lot Thank you so much. By the way, when will wolf bot milk be made a thing? Oh Is I they'd need a robot a wolf and a milk emoji and chat. I think they there's probably those Mully you're unbridled rages with the soundtrack of my honeymoon in september Rags explain why water is wet wolf. I'm waiting for aquaman You're trying that's like you're telling me to explain you something that isn't true Which I don't think I can do from like a principal standpoint So I'll have to I'll take I'm gonna have to take a hard pass on that one And uh, is there anything you want to say about aquaman wolf? Uh, I did a little bit of work on the video. It's gonna be a long one. So I don't know what it'll be out Uh, you can't say that old games or nest games are bad. There are a lot of bad nest games But I don't know if most newer games are any better. Look at rags review of fallout 76. There are good nest games I that's that's why we might check out that video from The snowman sometime in the future just to see what his breakdown was because um Yeah, I think I would argue a couple of the nest games were actually pretty good And uh, yeah, there's plenty of examples of modern times that it's not the idea of If you're old, you'll be bad. If you do, you'll be good. It's like that's certainly not a I don't think anyone's gonna make that argument anyway Ashtag jaden genesis if god wanted us americans to use the metric system. They would have been 10 apostles instead of 12 Uh, celsius, listen if english was good enough for jesus, it's good enough for me Celcia sucks because long man bad fahrenheit sucks because orange man bad kelvin rocks because me magic There you go Aquaman just saw it. I don't think I care about movies anymore I told you not to watch it guys. It's a terrible awful. No good very bad move I I also just saw aqua bad who should be called landman in this movie and I agree with wolf I don't understand why so many people like it No, because they're really delusional stupid people It was just stupid new lore edition wolf is now mecha wolf rag is is actually blind That is why he wears sunglasses probably other reasons too in my opinion I see using the force Mollio officially having 69 videos. Oh Interstellar marines he did it okay the way that he did it jarred genesis jarred genesis Oh, we should get him to review interstellar marines Don't take this wrong but can jared read He's got some books like remember. He's got all those story books and then he's got that that like yeah But they all have pictures in them. But not the catholic church one The catholic church one the buyer remember No, no, no, no, there was like some random book. He had that was like the deception of the catholic church or some shit Uh Moller is an undead abomination or car if he's a car that would make him a transformer of some sort in my opinion Fair enough. I like to smoke fags. Sadam Hussein 2019 I don't think you could have said that in 2019 because he's been deaded For a while Give some money to worship slanesh slanesh Slanesh slanesh or the chaos god Oh Okay A friend of mine said reality how we perceive it is actually subjective because it has to pass our senses and be processed in the brain to create representation Thoughts. Yeah, that's the worldview thing. They're not wrong. But at that point you can't say anything definitive ever Because everything could be anything No, this is the whole prove that we're not in the matrix right now. Do it prove it go on do it Do it. I'll do it. That means it's true Finally got a chance to catch an e-fap live. Don't let your unjustified hatred go unchecked guys, of course Imola, I made an e-fap video meme was wondering what's the best way to send it to you Love your videos comment for the rest of the tfa review Uh twitter at me on twitter and I should be able to see it Wolf are gay got him True, uh, I would love to have you on a live stream with my friends Uh, I I mean I don't have no idea who you are, but sure why not we'll be there Uh, have some van wilder doughnuts beautiful agreed rags first d. I sucked is my first memory Oh Oh, that's not that you can't say ah to that. Oh That's a very bad thing No, it's not the first memory you had the first memory you had Oh, that's not good Okay, do we need to get some sort of? Actually, yeah, how did that happen? Did you have to fall down? That means that the dick woke him up It brought him into the real world. Yeah There's ways to interpret. Okay. What is amnesia? You had amnesia during sex with your male partner and Then the first memory was the um, the activity itself, you know, that's that's fine really, you know consent was there Well, some people get their memories back by getting a severe blow to the head. So is was that you A literal blow I think I think that might we'll have to just check the the footage because I'm assuming that came from, you know The very relevant evidence um pressure Precious crystal fox boy said if god doesn't exist Why do I throw gaze off roof in his name atheists be the fuck out? That's a pretty that's a pretty compelling reason Hey boys, I was wondering if you've played star wars empire at war specifically the thrones revenge mod love to play I have not loved to watch you play. That's the um the rts star wars game, right? Empire I haven't played it in forever But I played a little bit of it at my friend's house like when I was a kid I played it for like five hours on a stream a few years ago and I liked it But I didn't continue and I remember there's like a clip somewhere on my channel Where I'm I send all units to go kill something and vader Is amongst them and you just like start spazzing out and then you just walks away and away from the whole battle And I was like vader, what are you doing? Come back vader, please You should tell the professor who sent this first uh super chat Love all you guys want to have a discussion with rags on resident evil series. Oh, that's so that was james more That's why I clarified for you. All right. I've only played But just so you know, I've only played four five seven The resident evil 2 remake No, thank god. He was he was back and forth with you about resident evil 2 so you probably wants to talk about that I mean it was isn't it's I mean right now though what you're saying is Well, I I need to here's the thing. I have to play resident evil 2 more The problem is I really would rather play other games Mm-hmm The world is a grape covered in life milk Beautiful too jarra's one cave subs video is up and we covered it I love your 476 video rags, but I think your 10 hour doxel series is better. Also is fringy ever gonna upload again Yeah, I want him to I'd like him to I like his content. I really do is try to encourage him I don't know what's gonna make it so that he does one day, but uh, we'll keep pushing for it And uh, yeah rags is doxel series is fucking awesome. I loved it. It was such a great game I loved every moment of it. No Goose the cat could be a breakdown character from captain marvel would Would you be okay with the cat being instrumental in the takedown of thanos? I think they're talking about the trailer for captain marvel with the cat I don't see how it couldn't be instrumental for taking down thanos that needs to happen. I would say it because You know, it's a setup. Why would there be a cat if it's not going to take down thanos? Can you explain that? No, you can't Hey snowman serious respect for jumping on the stream to engage with these guys I'll appreciate people who are willing to challenge their ideas. Yep. I'm with we definitely let him know that it was appreciated and who knows maybe he'll come on some time as an actual guest or We'll see going forward. It could be interesting Uh, hey, I made the music super chat. Thanks for the answer rag. I'll email you tomorrow with some of my music Stay as great as you are guys. Oh, there you go I will do my best to continue being amazing More I see you at two playing dead by daylight. Hope you having fun and success in the lunar event Oh, I am I've nearly got the nine the nine coins in the event I like hill billy is my favorite killer and I play as bill from left for dead. There's my favorite survivor That's the in case you wanted to know you guys have a favorite ghibli film Probably here spirited away or how's moving castle there with my two favorites Spirited away is the only one I've ever seen. I've only seen one and it was princess mononoke Well, uh, the one with the tentacles Oh, I love that one. That's my favorite. There's so many re-imaginings of that scene. I love it Have any of you seen the korean revenge film old boy? I watched it a couple of days ago and I highly recommend it I I would hazard a guy watch this video on it, but I haven't seen you Uh, your movie sucks video is actually quite good Covering old boy in the really bad remake and it's it's a good comparison of where it went went wrong Um, but oh boy. Yeah, it's a classic. I like old boy. Yeah, I saw it I liked it. I saw the remake and it made me ill. Um, and then where my sister's video helped Uh, sort of fix that. Um So, yeah, it was a cool film. Uh, the weird alien rhino thing that bilbo milks is my favorite addition to the mcu tone bloke What would you do if let's let's say po becomes aware of rey's Soonest because he starts noticing a pattern and he starts sending her on impossible missions and tasks that she obviously completes That sounds like a tv show and he'll be hilarious That sounds like episode nine like he just he's like rey eat that planet and she's like a prank Game except with rey He's like jump into the solid way How do I get people to watch my meme video, uh, just throw them onto twitter and then I can Oh, we saw it. Oh, it was that it was that uh jack and eric won Just still on screen that beautiful jack right there perfectly represented uh New e-fap just in time for four hour train ride. I have tomorrow. I'm saving this to watch on mula tomorrow during my commute But I appreciate you. Thank you. Did you check out the spectacular spider girl on tumbly tumbly yet? You were drunk when I mentioned her on the last e-fap gaming. Also, would you do audiobooks? So I have no idea what the spectacular spider girl on tumblr is Uh at this moment and as for audiobooks I don't know if I'd be able to get the time because I basically any time I've got free to work or create things This just goes into my videos like if someone wanted to hire me for audiobooks. I'd probably be like, um too busy But maybe one day, I don't know chuck tingle book Yeah pounded in my book by my own bird as read by morder. Oh and someone said also any thoughts on apex legends rags Love it. He loves it. I legitimately have a once when when this stream is over I'm gonna go eat and sustain my body and I'm gonna go play it with friends. Like I really Really enjoy this game. Mm-hmm. I don't really like battle royales, but this is the first It doesn't feel like a battle royale. That's the thing. It feels like it feels like a like a tdm Game and the ring is like an afterthought. It's not like oh The ring is coming And you have the only thing I don't like is that the the character designs are kind of stupid looking Yeah, the character designs are kind of met and their lines are really cringy Yeah, but they're so easy to cringy in a unique way And at least like they're really easy to just like blot out Yeah, but they don't actually affect the game Yeah, it's just flavor and at least they're all kind of cringy in their own way But they're well they're well voice acted. It's just the writing of the characters is like No one says that Make Jared bigger than PewDiePie I We'll try All praise to his holy words. Please get Jared on for left for dead eFab gaming The thing is as far as I can tell We're actually going to be trying to do something pretty difficult on left for dead We finally do that on eFab gaming. So we're going to want a fourth who's probably good at left for dead Um, are you questioning jerry's left for dead? And after after playing left for dead with sargon because he's across the pond as well The ping really does affect the like that's why I bring it up It does affect the ability of someone to like hit things and react to things who was hosting and who was joining He was hosting so I was able to get about 130 150 ping. Yeah So that would if that that affects Like bashing zombies that come up to me hitting them while they're moving That's gonna be awkward So we could be like advanced But if it's tougher than that, we'll practice before we stream it probably because we wouldn't want to have people Watch us fail over and over again. See if we can actually consistently do something about it. I guess Um, but yeah, no, uh, we'll we'll figure something out poor tall spot doesn't even know what's happening half the time He does he chooses when to speak Yeah, that in dementia Yeah, that's a little part of it Part one of the fight is out Don't know what that's referring to. Oh, that's the uh, jack and eric fight Oh, right. Oh, there's gonna be parts to this Apparently Okay, I love the idea of evap nine writers literally writing ray just like sitama from one punch man Wouldn't that aid the movie's entertainment value if they were fucking self-aware? Sure. It'd be great I can kill every enemy with one boulder And hey vox this disobedience was a good film. I like the look of it Yes, good, uh, cinematography. Yeah I think you could say hold up My making her stressed out and suspicious that everybody Because they're the last the resistance of possibly the republic but they have to show it There's so many ways you can fix her. There are so many throwaway lines that could have done But we got you already fixed it. They got rid of her. Oh Can firebears tell the future You're gonna have to bring it back But like have her head like stuck into her body where she smashed into the front of the ship So she has like her neck as an internal organ. Okay, I'm wondering if it's time watching the movie I expected it to reveal that she was gonna be a part of the first order I was like, you'll make this film make sense if she's a part of the first order Um Yeah, can firebears tell the future that's that's a question for jay. I'm afraid Last time you said a few days rags. It was like two weeks. Are you sure it'll be a three or two or three days? I look I I Every time I think hey, this would just take me a little bit I just do more and more and I just keep adding on to it. I keep making it So I just keep I just I can't stop myself That's why you get fucking video game reviews that are two and a half hours You guys I can't stop here. I have to keep going Uh, apparently the only thing that comes close to the same amount of pain as being burned alive is giving birth Oh, well Yeah, I doubt that Kidney stones is worse than giving birth if you're passing kidney stone that hurts more And that's and I've spoken to women who have had both And kidney stones. Yeah, I was gonna say not to mention the worst A baby's like a weird kidney stone the worst of tooth ache and the worst of backache can be insane Maybe it's a weird kidney stone Yeah, baby's like a weird kidney stone. Oh my god, so I guess since we're talking about pain My father passed his kidney stone that Won't be forgetting that he had to have this like vietnam stair From shooting a a block of calcium out of his dick. Yeah, a thousand-year file vietnam style He told me had a very sore appendage was his worst pain I think I've ever been in and well, maybe not pain, but immense discomfort was when I had I had a really bad case food poisoning A couple years back from eating some bad Crab cakes to this day I cannot eat crab cakes because they make my stomach turn because it brings back memories Wow food poisoning can be no joke that will fuck you up I had a tooth that went so bad like it had there was an infection And the pain was so bad. I started vomiting from it. It's the worst pain I've ever had in my entire life Um, I don't know how to explain to someone else. I just be like it. The pain was so Uh searing and felt like it was coming from the inside of my brain That uh, I just vomited as a reaction like I brought my body was like, I don't fucking know what to do Just try this um Yeah, uh, you did lots of things that deliver pain. This is all true Just let you know youtube does not cap your live streams on the live archive amount at 12 hours Uh, isn't it eight? I literally googled it live, uh, and it said eight. That's why I went with eight I don't know if it's more or less Uh, wolf. Were there any specific games you want on steam or another launcher after this chat? I think you've got enough for a triple a Um, every game that is exclusive consoles. There was a guy who donated and he said he wanted To get you a specific game that you already had and then I said that I would uh, Figure out what game you actually want. He wanted to get me a game. I already Yeah, I think he didn't know that you had it already So like if you find a game on steam that's like, I don't know $60 or whatever and I'll gift you it if you can Oh, hold on. I got I got a thingy here. I'll look at my wish list A lot of people have recommended spec ops the line and it's six dollars right now Well, pick something I'll get that as well. Like what what what it's a bit bigger I don't know. I haven't thought about this Fine. Just keep it in your head Uh Oh kingdom come deliverance those two. There we go. Okay kingdom Um Yeah, they said have a deck of shadow on Uh, I would totally invite him. I don't know if he would be up for it But he made um a few a couple well Initial take on the predator movie and then a full review on it. He's he's very entertaining Um, I've got I got games on my wish list I forget about can fire Bay's ghost of a tail is really good What I've heard that ghost of a tail is really good. Oh, I haven't played it I don't know What can I say Fuck no, no, that was it. Oh, no, I thought okay, never mind. Uh, can fire Bay's evaporate rhino milk Uh, sure I don't know man. Can we is that definitive you need to be careful that fire bear is evaporate rhino milk? I'm gonna say no I was gonna say I think the rhino milk would douse the fire bear even if it's just a droplet Because rhino milk is powerful. It's yeah, that's potent. That's um, It'll get you when I said when I said rags was Gavin I meant you'll say something that sounds really stupid, but it turns out to be correct more often than not I'd feel about that rags. Yeah, I mean I feel like that's I mean that's pretty Yeah, I'm not gonna argue with that. All right, then big fan of you guys and way to go front But then yeah, you explore way to go Jared more and wolf. We all know rags plays dnd with sargon et al But do you two have an interest in tabletop role playing possibly efab tabletop gaming? I have no history of it whatsoever. So I don't even know if I'd like it That would be interesting, but I don't know if they're into it. That would be it doesn't really seem to be my thing Hmm He likes really bad games about aliens and colonial marines and interstellar marines all that sort of thing And spec ops and all these vulgarian people Swinging the sores at each other. Please take my money and don't play apex legends Don't support ea when we've nearly permanently crippled them. No, no, but it's free I disagree. Here's here's why this is important guys The reason that we shit on activision ea all that with the reason that we do this Is to get them to change. It's not to destroy them. It's to get them to change And if they start to do things that are good If they start to make games or help make games that are good and they start to make quality products That's good. That's what we want them to do Yeah, I would say get apex legends because a it's free and b I mean, that's kind of like what we want We want them to make games with yes We want more games like apex legends. We want more games like that And i'm saying that as someone that doesn't even like battle royale as a genre. This is the first one. I've actually liked Yeah, I mean like the idea here is plus if you send the message that even if they make good stuff that you like You're still going to you still want them to fail and you're still not going to give them money Then they definitely don't have any incentive to change But you think ea is looking at their stock numbers and Activision blizzards looking at their numbers right now and they're going. Yep. We're just going to carry on like normal I mean, who would you rather support? Activision who's going to charge you three bucks for a smiley face reticle in black ops 4 or uh apex legends free to play a game That's it. I mean besides respawn, they're the guys who made call of duty They made titanfall And titanfall 2 and this game is legitimately really good and I want them to succeed So they said that they are making working on titanfall 3 soon. So So long as there's not enough no serious meddling and as long as ea actually releases it Like not between two other huge games Uh, it could be really good. Yeah, this is I think we're at a point with the I think For those of you who don't watch heal vs. Babyface. It's a good channel I Agree with him when he says things like This is kind of the point People have been saying that this kind of uh industry is not sustainable Because again like battlefield 5 comes out Sells 7.3 million copies and it undersells It's things like it's things like that like how do you how do you keep a market going that demands these kinds of numbers and then you have Is like the idea this is kind of the this is the industry getting its um, it's just desserts I guess this is think this is the point where it all starts to catch up with them And we don't want like I don't want Like I would rather ea turns into a good company or a bearable company Then they just disappear and die because we can't I mean it's it's not bad to have big publishers that can make titles that AAA or indie studios can't do You know um, so I don't mean to like sort of change the thingy, but wolf needs to see this. He'll he'll love it. Um, I go for it That's It's an adorable jared with an a little bat sticking out of it. He's got the drums back there They even got like the super detailed necklaces That's from uh, the pink nekos for uh on twitter Yeah, he did a lot of the cute droids I really like that. I like the blinds because it's I like how he did the blinds Yes, good stuff. Thanks, dude. Um new serve and dropping a deuce in your stream. Beautiful rags is a miraluka doggo hybrid I will google that and then I'll get back to you. Miraluka. I assume that's how it's pronounced Miraluka, it's a It's a race from Ascension species that existed in the galaxy around the time of the clone wars Um, all right Uh, I got seven mac 11's about eight 38 9 9s 10 mac 10s the shit's never ending You can't touch my riches even if you had mc hammer and they don't have eyes Them three five seven bitches biggie smalls the millionaire the mansion the yacht the two weed spots the two hot glocks Huh, that's how I got the weed spot shot dread in the head took the bread and the lamb spread Lil got it got the shawty to your body. Don't resist. That's two donations in one Don't I guess it's lyrics from somebody. Thank you, Eric Let's do it. By the way, not the other Eric a battle fleet gothic armada to any of you or is void combat too nerd for you guys I've never heard of the game Okay Yeah, we're nearly the end now Um, that's the exact reason why I want to have a discussion. You haven't played pre-resneval four It would be an interesting talk coming from someone who hasn't played those and for one who has played some of them That's from james to rags Sure Uh, thanks for the hours of entertainment gentlemen and dog I am happy to see objective in analysis of art artists used to be artist sands requiring talent and practice subjectivities All too often to cover for laziness Agreed AVP interstellar marines e-gap. I asked aga shadow, but he said he's too busy. Oh, okay I mean, I'll still try down the line. I guess apparently the mouse is okay with ea star wars games I heard the opposite. Yeah, I don't know what's happening with that specifically Um, didn't they cancel titan 4 3 as soon as apex was released? No, that's something that a bunch of idiots started saying because they just assumed that but respawn literally said I think it was a matter of days ago that they're going to be starting titan fall 3 work I because I heard that they're that this game was made because There wouldn't be a titan fall 3. So that's why it has a mix of familiar and older stuff I've heard conflicting things about it I mean most the people that I've seen say that are just people that don't actually have any sources for it but i'm pretty certain that Respawn literally confirmed they're going to be working on Three which is good because titan fall 2 I guess this is a controversial opinion, but titan fall 2 Is a 2016 game that came out the same year as doom and I think titan fall 2's campaign is better Yeah, titan fall 2 is a phenomenal campaign Oh no So you guys should go and you should first off buy and play even if it's just for single player Buy titan fall 2 And then play apex legends Um, I know this isn't usually in your wheelhouse, but dmc 5's demo came out And I was just wondering if you had anything to say about the series I'm someone who's just not played enough. Delmay cried to be able to speak on it probably I know But yes, um Heck yeah more in 1993 gang represent with the real 90s kids wolfen rags of frauds being born in 1997 Disqualifies you from being a 90s kid I was I was busy doing 90 stuff like going outside to the playground riding my bike and finding Uh in hiding porn magazines in the in the gravel of the elementary school Um recess god Yeah, you only did that just last week Yeah, it's true. It's true. Yeah, um, but yeah, I I didn't really get much video games when I Especially in the 90s because you know There we go. Holy crap. I can actually watch one of these lives if you can Give the youtuber chac's Kickstarter boredom punk a cyber punky classic point-and-click adventure a shout out I have no idea champagne Oh making a game. He's it's his game. He's making this game Um, so you should go and check that out informations on his channel top hats and champagne I will be eventually doing Um a look through it and giving that some giving that some Looky through ease There you go next event actually so after I'm done with this video I'm doing now. I would maybe like to start delving into that But yeah, please do because this is going to I think it's gonna help him because he wants to move to the u.s. So this will help him I think do that If this game does more for the love of god if you're watching a jarred video watch his thanksgiving video from last year They don't know anything about that I don't know. I've seen it in chat a couple times. So I have to see about what what the dealio is It's probably a funny one and then finally Pool's gold with been a fan for a while. Thanks for the content. Well, thank you Yeah, uh Does jarred Want to come on still? I don't know. He's been offline for 30 minutes He's off celebrating. He's in the streets naked running around screaming. Hey, I made it It's that's probably not Untrue. He's done something very similar to that on camera before so we've gotten close to things like that. Yes Frighteningly close Well, I mean either way, uh, why don't you spend a little bit vox's talking about your channel and why people should subscribe to it While I put a link in the chat Uh, hello. Uh, yes. So, uh, if you like Um Bad language if you like puppets If you like things being torn to shred in funny ways and skits Uh, then check out, uh, my show smack talk on vox's productions. It's uh, it is also, uh, the youtube channel of a Film student called paul but no one gives a shit about him. So it's not about me And so yeah, check it out. I review films tv shows occasionally video games as well And I also am part of a podcast That is hosted every sunday for the great british podcast on cynical reviews channel who should also check out Which is good, and I'd recommend it Yeah, I mean you get some of you guys on I mean, I know you're american, but We can set that aside put our differences aside for our cousins across the pond But yes, I guess the best way to describe my show would be Uh, wonder shows and meets charlie brooker Uh, charlie brooker screen wipes. So yeah with a bit of mystery science theater thrown in So yeah, that's probably the best way to describe my show And yeah, today i'm celebrating the five-year anniversary and uh, big thanks to any fans who are in this chat watching Uh, thanks for sticking by my small piddly channel. I don't uh, you know I'm not one of the the big youtubers, but I'm grateful for the people I have some of the big youtubers are shit Don't worry about it. Yeah, subscribe to jared genesis. He's a Um, yeah, I mean we can we can chill out for a bit if you want to clarify whether or not jarred can come on But if not, I guess we can we can wrap up. It's uh, it's really dependent. Yeah, we got some gay doughnuts Oh, we could do you want to run into that while we we see if jarred's around or not? Chat do you want gay gay doughnuts chat? I don't think they're ever gonna say no to gay doughnuts I'm trying to get jared on I just got it. He just is offline. So I don't know what he's doing All right Gentlemen, are you ready? Are you sitting comfortable? Are you sitting comfortably? So what is the context? It's like a random paragraph so so when we last left off our intrepid gay explorers were in a A gay cafe looking for gay doughnuts And they do indeed have gay doughnuts now a mic Uh gets whisked off And he's taken to this stage And it's actually a strange fetish game show And according to the man running the show Loads will be blasted onto a mic's tight gay asshole So I shall begin All right Two stagehands approach and help lean me back onto the ground Then position some sort of ramp Under me so that my legs are lifted and slowly placed behind my head My upper back still on the wooden stage floor I find myself with my ass in the air and my butthole Completely exposed to the world Two floating doughnuts approach me with their cocks in their tiny baked hands Beating off and looking down at my fit body as it lies contorted below them One of them is covered in dark brown chocolate sprinkles while the other sports an incredibly Arousing coat of cocky coconut shavings The first the first treat Starts to moan almost immediately and shoots a string of semen directly into my asshole Where it lands and pulls for a moment before sliding back down the crack of my ass The next follows closely behind but his aim is a little off So his jizz flies onto my butt, but also somehow manages to add a few splatters to the mess on my face 11 the announcer calls out 12 two more Frosted treats approach and position themselves accordingly as they pleasure themselves I do the same spastically rubbing my cock while I tiptoe on the edge of pure blissful orgasm As the doughnuts blow their loads I finally come myself the muscles in my stomach contracting wildly As wave after wave of pleasure shoots through me I scream a wild animalistic yelp and let go of Everything my eyes rolling back into my head like a man possessed I can feel the cum frosting raining down onto me as I tremble and quake My body disappearing somehow and leaving me as an object of pure blinding pleasure The sensation envelopes me as jizz continues to fall and the announcer calls out my benchmarks My own loud spurts back across the stage is a forceful blast There we go 13 he says 14 15 I'm not even aware that the desserts have been replaced by others because my eyes are now completely caked shut with sugary semen 16 the announcer crows and the audience loses their mind I collapse back only I I collapse back on the stage floor and the ramp is pulled up from under me so that I can lay flat I'm utterly glazed with doughnut semen We have a winner the voice says tell him what he's won another voice suddenly comes over the loudspeaker I pitched and speaking rapidly like I'm trapped in some sort of bizarre sexual infomercial Well, Mike, you've had a great night here on the big glaze starring in your very own doughnut show and taking 16 loads You're going to love taking 16 more during your all expense paid trip to holland home of the dutch who came to america And invented the doughnut many many years ago I say at the finest luxury hotel that holland has to offer before being whisked away to our sister Doughnut shop for your very own headline show the crowd cheers again And I smile Sensing through the layers of calm on my closed eyelids that the stage curtain is now closing I lay alone in the darkness slowly trying to recover from the best night of my life That's beautiful and see I was going to criticize if not making sense, but now it does so it was like a game show But you have to sort of You know put up with as many doughnut glazings as you can and this person did very well Yeah, I think like a over a dozen doughnuts. Yeah, so that's the getting glazed sounds like the easy part It's gonna say yeah, it's like uh, and they get the all expense paid trip. I think that's very kind as well considering Yeah, so it's part of uh, handsome sentient food pounds my butt. Uh, so When moorla was on the Great British podcast, I read uh creamed in the butt by my handsome living corn There's also gay living doughnuts. Uh, they're also in this book is slammed up the butt by my hot coffee boss That one is very weird it ends with the this intern Having sex with this domineering boss who's a giant cup of coffee and it ends with him slipping into the the coffee mixture And dissolving in the sea of love. It's very weird Um, oh Yeah, oh pressed in the butt by my inclusive holiday coffee cups By my inclusive holiday coffee Oh, there we go turned gay by the living alpha diner uh bigfoot Somalia butt tasting Uh slammed in the foot Slammed by the living leftover chocolate chip cookies Shared by the chocolate milk cowboys And number nine in the chapter is bonus recipes Oh Yeah, we uh, we got another jarred representation here the uh, I assume the bat in this scenario is actually A minion that he can control or at least release You know, it's it's tough to really figure it out definitively. Um But yeah, I I I imagined jarred was uh Is somewhere else I do not know I yeah, I don't know. He's not on uh, discord and Someone said that they messaged him on steam, but it doesn't look like he's responding He he probably he's listen Give him a moment to let the let the the fame and notoriety just sort of sink in don't Not not too fast, you know so and easy is everyone happy to wrap up then let him acclimate to his fame Yeah, all right. It's we'll try to get you on soon jay It's been it's been so very fun. The intention today was three videos We ended up covering one and the guy who made it came on and then Jarred and a meme and more memes and you know, it's just it's you never know with efap, but we do have Lots of plans the next guest. Hopefully will be veto who made the um The other sort of I think I think he made the video called star was the last Jedi is The biggest cinematic failure in history or something like that. It's quite uh, amusing and um, seems like a lot of fun But we've also heard that major lee wants to come on to efap Like incessantly he keeps saying that um, he's like contacted me and I haven't responded So I'm going to try and actually contact him because I have I have no idea Where he's contacted me. He hasn't tried twitter for some reason, which is the one place I've continuously talked to him before where else would he have contacted you? Well, he said email, but the problem is like I get a lot of emails and apparently I must have missed it Um, which is fine, but yes, so those two things are potential We also have the wolf versus j debate, which will happen eventually over arrival We've also got the nostalgia critic video that we always said we would do on van helsing We're getting around to that too. There's there's a bunch of other things. They're all noted And uh, we will get some eventually as well as many other guests that um have been requested But yes, our our guest today has been vox's production So thank you very much for coming on and putting up your very welcome guys god damn does it feel good to use my own voice Yeah, thank you It was who are you? Um, yeah, you know Thanks for putting up with it for so long because a lot of people can't it's uh, it's tough, you know Even right do we not do we not have to use we don't have to use our real voice or our fakie character voices anymore? Oh, thank god. I was so Those are your real voices really Yes, I am a lot of shit, but don't you know that I'm actually I'm actually mute That's the truth Uh, I just put on this I just put on this voice for the character Do you have like that little thing around your neck like from the movie up that lets you talk? I don't think no, I I have one of those little those vibratey thingy put it up to your throat And it um and then it goes all the way up there, huh? Yeah shaping your like your mouth hole in different ways it kind of it makes It's like people with a hole in their neck they can talk. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah, those things. I can't remember what they're called A stoma the hole in the neck is called a stoma the the have you guys seen scary movie four three three Where a guy with one of those that problem He he puts um the machine to him and he wants to say hello to leslie nielsen He says something like hello very nice to meet you, mr. President But it comes out like robotic like obviously and the president was just addressing the fact that aliens are invading the earth And it's a complete parody movie. So he assumes that guy is like an alien and then punches him even though he's like a crippled guy There's lots of good things to watch in those movies. But yeah back on topic. This is our outro Thank everybody. Thanks everybody for being so amazing with these efab memes It's like the passion and effort and knowing that there's even more to come Is hilarity incarnate, um, thank you for obviously watching as well all the way down to when we hit What was it like nine viewers those nine people who stayed? You're the true heroes the og's obviously and Well, just all nine of them There's a lot of people for died Five of them being us so four. Yeah, so just feel great dedicated. Wait. Oh my god. What number does it show for you? My god, he's he's back. Oh, he's back He might be hold on. He's just came back on Well, we got there's two super chats as well. Uh happy I caught one of these live been enjoying each of these all 120 plus hours worth Keep it up and shout out for will for coming back. Oh and more looking forward to the rest of tfa series It's on the way And so it shall be and james morse said jesus christ paul escaped the cage Oh, yeah, I did I did it's fun Now fun I can find my clothes That's why I don't even I don't even wear clothes. It's just it's all a racket Also him what was it that he went green on discord? Is that what you meant? No, he went from gray to red. Oh, oh shit. That means I can't ping him Or I can but I won't like notify him Damn it Why are you making this so hard? Your rig is red It's right. It strikes me that jarred deserves his own episode. I think We're on board. We'll just have to figure out. Yeah, there you go. Just have one word is You know just him and you guys can Do we end? Do we delay? I I can't call it. I don't know I don't know chat. Should we should we stay five minutes and see Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo Yo, yo, yo, yo Jared jenis is here Jared come on buddy. You can do it You just need to accept my friend request so I can actually invite you in here All right, we'll stay for five minutes. Stay five minutes exactly So uh guys Uh, well the weather over here has been pretty inconsistent In a good way No It's it really just doesn't know if it wants to be spring or winter yet. So it switches between the two every other day Oh my god, he's typing Am I too late? No Except my friend request I can then bring you into the call If he actually gets on here, there is no way to efficiently title this video I'm just gonna call it like refer to the description Shall I shall I find some more gay porn to it? Oh, we'll be fine if he comes on. We'll just uh I got him. I got him. It sounds like you. Yes Here we go Jared He's Jared. I'm so excited Jared is in the chat. He's in the chat. Jared come on bud Get your mic. He said you talked to him right mauler in the past. Yeah, yeah, me and rags talked to him He was in like the public vc at one point uh-oh He's left He's in the group Uh, maybe he needs to get his mic Is he home? Uh, does he leave his home? Oh, the whole chat is so The chat is this is like this is like the season finale right now for the chat Yeah, bro. I probably need to plug my headphones in and I had complaints last time one second. Okay, buddy. All right. Okay We knew that guys coming loading bar Coming coming real hard. They're at the illustrious rendition of jack sain from this video It's beautiful We have been forsaken He decided last minute that we weren't they let us pray We were on the verge of greatness we were this Yo, that shows that one Come on Jared Are we siping? Yes, does he know that he can join? I don't think so. Hang on. Let me remove him and then you re re add him. Okay Okay, it'll ring him again Lord genesis add All right, buddy You could do it accept the call Come on. It's like we're all staring at the phone Anything out the suspense press the button. Just press the green button You could do it. I think he Maybe he's gone on like zero There's a location of the cursor on your screen zero notifications or something. I don't know Everybody's like This is like getting a call from jesus we need this Anyway, I think I'm gonna call us a date That makes that makes sense dude. This is insane for you. I know this is No, you should have your moment with lord genesis So do it. I won't stand in your way. What is it? Hold on. I'm gonna leave the call just so I know that I Can explain this to him. Okay But no, thanks for having me on. Yeah, thanks for coming dude. We'll get some sleep and uh, yeah, good luck and hope It's always nice to meet your heroes. So I hope you have a good time with uh, Jared Oh, of course, of course and obviously good luck with your channel and your podcast, sir Oh, thank you. Thank you. We'll have to have uh rags on and moller again and wolf He said keep your pipe fellow. I command it. I think he means you Keep your pipe. What? Oh Okay The pipe man must stay. I mean the pipe man is leaving anyway Can I go to the toilet? I am seven. My blood is shot to shit. Go go and use the toilet, sir Relieve yourself Wait, so Jared doesn't want to come in What did you do? Did you go call it wolf or did you do something else? He's to miss I don't understand Jared are you joining just click that green join call button The suspense This is very suspenseful Someone could make like a dramatic vision of this every time he rings the camera like zooms and it's like We must wait for pipe man, it must be what He's Jared said it must we must wait for pipe man. It must be complete before jared to join My goodness, what a hurry up foxes He's gonna be so confused he comes back as we know why Are you back? Oh, you're back? You're back? He's back Jared stipulated on me. Why does he give a flying fight about me? Because you're pipe man. You're pipe man now My name is professor toss putt Pipe man good. I mean the lord genesis has declared you pipe man I'm not sure if you can escape that at this point My name is albert toss putt What is it? Oh god stop typing your carrot get on chat pipe man Pipe man has returned in good condition. Yes Is the pipe man returned in good condition? Jared You the joint Please join Jared like the suspense is killing us Oh, hurry up cut the four awkward 50 year old black man voice in five four three two Where is he? He's had an aneurysm. Oh, no, there's no genesis here Jared Blessings may the swagger be with all of you I have never been happier in my entire life. Rest in peace my earphones Jesus Christ It is my great pleasure to be with all e-fap. I drink the rhino milk every day Yeah Looks like the gentleman be over the moon. This is perfect Someone just said I was here Guys hashtag we were there we were there the night event jared drayster podcast It's your ace Is melting look I can't talk. I'm like meeting the celebrity of our lives Hashtag we were there we were there What has jared been up to today? I've just been um reading very very Elegant litter literature that is for the highest of all levels. I was reading some dr. Seuss today. Um, Have you ever read? Sneeches rags Sneeches Yes, it's about um animals with stars upon their belly buttons and they think they're better than the ones without stars It's a very very eloquent book I've I've never heard of that. Um, I have to look that up um By dr. Seuss you say must it is truly a great read Yeah, the Sneeches the Sneeches are Sneeches Jay has read it Jay he's actually he's actually seen something from once. He's consumed the piece of media you're referencing. That's insane Jay's the chosen one of your group then my friends Jay There you go, buddy Now you just need to watch every movie that you haven't seen he's nearly there. It's all good My my favorite dr. Seuss book was always there's a walk-in in my pocket Ah, that is a great one Yes, that is truly great. It's no surprise that you have read that book though. Um, I already knew you were great rags, but Oh, thank you. And I think a second a close second though is oh the places you'll get Ah, that is the very best. Yes Again, I'm not surprised again Rags is still kind of a queer though That's all right How do you get an exception? There is fan art of you like the people have been waiting for this moment forever Ah, yes, I've seen some on my discord. It's truly magnificent. It's it's truly holy Say see a thousand subscribers has already gone to his fucking head. I mean, you know, hey, it's not even a thousand anymore God, okay. Hey the the first thousand are the hardest Yeah, the second thousand are much easier But then they're the first 2000 so May I ask who is this pipe man who is grace your presence? I don't know if this man Introduce yourself. Let's go Hey, my name is professor albert toss pot. I come from vox's productions I have a show called smack talk where where shock horror. I talk smack about things Ah, you sound very very blessed. I must check you out soon All right, son. Bless it. I sound like a smith 70 a day That's bless. Maybe that as well. Yeah, that's holy smoke Hey, when jared calls you blessed that is something you can't refute that you can I see a false god prove your powers jared. How dare you? Wow It's got my powers light from within the swagger can only be felt not seen Of course, how could I be so blind jared show me the way the sleeper has awoken The way is within you my friend. Just keep walking That's true. If the way was made clear it would not be the one puppet walk Yeah, these are the questions that play They're fucking legs. Yeah, but you know, do they work pretty old It's true What do you think they can get them to the toilet on some expanded laura for all of you Um, I'm reminded because of two British men here. My last name is a cock, which is actually british and Yes, so I am of the british deceits. I have a large cock in my name. Do you mean dissent? I understand. Yes, that's correct. The last british do tend to deceive people. That's actually Yeah, you did that with a lot of countries only all the countries beat you. We're still the heroes in the end every time Except in the patriot Um, what um, well, I guess what is it late for you right now? Or is it getting late for you right now? It's 7 21 p.m. I'm in houston, texas, so uh By time doesn't really matter to me I don't exist through time. I only exist through swagger and to the blessed rhino milk Jared Jared is your barber the same barber to kim jong-un? I have not been to a barber shop and I believe close to 15 years now. Yes And I'm I'm sure natural. Do you cut your hair? I do I do. Yes dude I need you I I would ask you to cut my hair if I had any hair, but I don't That's pretty it's pretty impressive. All right. I know you're beautiful in every way. Um dishonored wolf. I'm excuse me word of the wolf Um, there's nothing I could do to further your beauty Thank you. That's the kindest thing anyone has ever said to me in my entire life Here you go. I'm not I'm not even meaning. That's like literally It is the truth my friend Thank you. That means a lot coming from you jared Not a problem friend We're gonna do for the rest of the day after after you sign off here. What what's on the agenda with the plan Are you going to celebrate your victory of a thousand subs? Um, actually, I must speak on the beauty of rags before I forget. I saw a video of this young man Uh, someone sent to me on twitter. My goodness. It is a sin. He does not show his face on his videos He is truly gorgeous He has a chin. I can't even explain how gorgeous his chin is. It's like a Blessed tree stump. Um It's just I can't even describe it Can we see this video you talk it's a video where rags has his face Do you remember a video where you were knocking a certain gentleman, uh about let's see Um, he was saying how about the pc master race like Ways to avoid them or something like that. He was this really nerdy looking fellow But uh, you made a response video to him a long time ago I I showed my face a little bit, but I wanted to kind of just focus on the like the dog icon and the brand and stuff like that Right. Yeah, I got a lot of compliments. I just wanted to focus on you know something else Understandable understand, but I won't I won't show anyone the video. I just I just had to say I'm sorry. I just Oh, no apologies needed at all Okay, it's very kind No problem Thank you for coming on It's my pleasure guys really I want to thank all of you though. You have helped me so much in my channel I mean really without you guys I would still be in the 50 sub club. So especially thank you I've literally been waiting for this day since like mid 2017 And it's finally come true If I'm sorry people together I apologize for that too. Yeah, I I should have been here sooner. I do apologize. Oh, no, it was worth every minute I'm glad that we could get past our differences from that that little spat we had a while back I've forgotten all about it. Literally. I don't even know what you mean I'm too focused on the beauty of the e-fap Good to know wonderful Man, so I mean gosh, what do you have any plans for the channel? Have you even thought about what you're gonna do next? Many people want me to live stream, but it has to be a sacred live stream. It can't just be anything Uh, I thought of perhaps doing like breast massage techniques Blessed things of that. I don't know quite entirely what I'm going to do, but It has to be truly sacred You have a lot of experience doing breast massages Oh with myself only sadly the moment don't come to my door, but yes, I would say I'm unprofessional Well, I you gotta you gotta make sure to keep them at a a certain distance, you know At least breast massage and not prostate massage. I don't know if that's a good thing, you know I don't think it's streamable through You could just keep the camera above the waist and just you know and what just focus on the face as he grimaces With every finger. I'm sure you'd be overjoyed sir thrilled I think it would be interesting to have you, you know live stream and asking, you know Answer questions do a little do a little AMA's every once in a while and give your opinion on things and dispense wisdom to the to the chat Well, I would I would like to stream games too It's just I don't want to be the guy the guy that streams, you know Resident Evil 2 when a million other people are doing it. So Hopefully it'll just be like gonna stream those like lesser known games. Yes. Hopefully so. Yes It's honey select rate play There's loads What what have you been playing lately? Um, there's a side I go to where you can play old school games play retro games.com Yes, the lesson Jared. I'm sorry to tell you. I'm not actually 18 years old I'm actually a little bit older, but uh, yeah, I grew up with the old school stuff. So, uh, I guess it's still in my bloodstream. I Like snes, genesis stuff like that playstation 1 Was the genesis named after you? I believe it is Very good. I make sense. It was pretty much confirmed already, but we just like to have it in stone We need to add it to the Jared wiki Yeah, I never I never heard of this site. It's pretty it's pretty nifty It is. Yeah, you don't have to upload. You can just download them real quick. That's what I like about it. Yeah Yeah, I got some I didn't even know there was a pokemon cloud white Hey, how you been uh, how you been finding the memes Jared all these meme videos people generate Oh, god, they're amazing. I mean really your fans are the coolest people I've ever seen like you guys are very lucky You have blessed fans. Hey, man. Our fans are your fans, too Everyone who watches the show loves you like this has been like small or even describe this is like the season finale how you are it's like the greatest of all I think I think it makes sense the season one finale was quintin and and tRO and all that season two finale will be this We got a new season next episode every 12 episodes. It's a new season And this is going to be the the ending of the best season I agree. Oh, who knows maybe it's just the beginning of the best season Maybe you could have a Jared on every episode It could be a regular honey fap I'll leave the blessed pipe man is here as well as muller and rags and dishonored wolf Blessed You're never going to be able to not be referred to as that now And now I'm going to have people commenting on my channel. Ah, it's the pike man. It's the blessed pike man Everyone go to foxes channel and just spam pike man in the pipe man You fucker Blessed pike man guys. Blessed pike man. Shit. Shit What um, let's see. Well, uh Gosh, you've got maybe stuff you're gonna do with your channel. You Yeah, I mean I you should Yeah, I mean I I'm very curious to see what kind of things we see in the pipeline Coming up here for the channel Well rags, I can tell you this I would never ever even come close to your swag level Of what do you have now 300k subs? Which is truly magnificent, but Even if I get a few more I'd be happy. I mean 1500 or so, but um I'm just happy to have what I have and I'm just gonna keep doing me. I guess But yeah, I don't know Um, uh, I mean there's only so much I guess lord genesis can do um But I hope you guys still enjoy it Oh, we enjoy everything you put out. It's just perfect. Oh my fucking comment section All righty Get ready you're gonna have jared beams on your channel and your audience will soon be the ghost It'll be absorbed into the e-fap lore and then through that into jared's channel Oh, they just keep coming in Every time I refresh it's the blessing pipe man Wait, does it be the pipe man? You just said it's the blasted pipe man. I can see that being used to be videos now Let's see the pipe man. Congratulations to you master moller on your a million Views you got on your video truly that is magnificent and I congratulate you for that I mean, you know, it's just it just means that it's a message people want it out there and I uh I appreciate all the viewers for checking it out. Thank you very much, sir You're welcome. Keep up the great work. Yes man, where do you even What do you even Say, I mean unprecedented gosh Jared is there anything that you would like to say to all of your wonderful fans that Just love you to death It is a swagger of all that make me great the swagger of everyone. Um That comes within my nipples and throughout my whole life. Um, and it stimulates me every day and truly I am nothing without every single one of you. Uh, you are all truly just Beyond swag, uh, the universe shakes in your level of swagger. Um And really again, I just you all make me great. So I have to emphasize that Oh, Jared, who do you think will be the most inconsistent character of star wars episode nine? Ah Quentin reviews I mean I'll throw your name into the into the thing for quitting if you want But I mean if you want to jump on to one of the characters in the film because it's essentially like a bet But with no stakes Jared we actually theorized because none of us have chosen Lando but Lando Probably will be the winner Sad to say I don't know who that is But I guess you're not surprised. Oh, okay. Black guy. Yes. That's a quote from our genesis the black guy I don't know if you all saw my review of rogue one But I referred to him as a black guy throughout the whole review and um I ask god's forgiveness on having queer feelings towards him. Um, but yes Who uh, who are we referring to? Um As as the black guy who was in the film? Oh, um, the Stormtrooper man, uh Wait fin. He wasn't in rogue one though I Well, he was it was it's a he was sort of like symbolically. Oh, no. Yeah. No, I get it. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I was thinking more literally but Fuck that shit. Yeah, that's right. That's where your problem is Really? Can I put your vote in for for fin jared? You'd be certainly can you'd be you'd be with me j cynic snacks and uh and yourself. Yeah And me that's it. No, you went for po. You lie I have to follow the blessed pikeman then I He is truly sacred in this swagger forgive me moller That's fine. You'd like to go for po. That is absolutely. He's on po I was a pretty good answer In fact, it would probably be my number two the pikeman is really wrong on these things in fairness Now now that jared said that it's gonna be po. It's definitely gonna be po Well, yeah, I'm the only other two votes on that currently are alex and uh and vox is so Those the three will be right comment section Someone in the chat Someone in the chat jared from george s says super chat in honor of jared long man bad, but pikeman blessed Beautiful that is May they be blessed and swaggered I'm getting blessed in fucking spam here in john's Hey, that's something that's more fans than you will ever have Hands could jump my heart is made of felt apparently lee is calling me a coward right now. Is that true? jared what say you Um right now i'm so stimulated. It's hard to think quite straight, but um Let's see. Um, I can't think straight The tow jam and url swagger is coming soon. Um They will bring forth a new dawn to the to the genesis the sega genesis For those of you don't know tow jam and url. It is a blessed game that I grew up with infused in the funk Infused in the swagger of two space aliens You'll have to look it up, but yes that revelation is coming soon. Um Right now. That's my primary focus other than the beautiful people of e-fap Well, there you go So what have you written so what have you done? Well jared it was a joy to have you on Yeah, we don't want to overdo it. We don't want to overdo something Um gotta take it easy You as well my friend all of you And um, I'm always down whenever you guys want to do this again just All are at your boy Absolutely. Absolutely. You bet. I'm looking forwards to it And I have to end this simply by saying you all did it okay the way you did it Thank you All right then Chat once again hashtag we were there excellent We'll bless him to you all my friends. It's been all right We'll catch you later and we'll probably wrap the stream up there. I think Oh, there's a couple of chats. I'll read out quick and then uh, all right Sounds great All right, take care guys You too, sir. See you. Good boy. Thank you. Have a good luck You too. Bless the python Oh my god, that's great That's literally exactly what was happening to That is this one. I assume it relates to the we were there sort of thing Five stream watchers do not sip the deep magic to me Oh god Um, I was there we must I am I'm gonna I'm gonna bounce because I I need to sustain my body I've I've been sustained spiritually, but now I must sustain myself physically. So very well, sir. Absolutely I will catch you guys later. All righty. Goodbye, mr. Rags Goodbye Take care. See you later doggo. Yeah, this should only take a second. Uh Throw money out then we must give a sacrifice to summon the mighty lord genesis Yes, hashtag. I was there the 11th command, but the pipe bad must stay Here's a super chat for our lord genesis rido milk. It's a dream come true. How's it going, mr. Jared? Congrats on one case subs I uh, I posted a jarred fan out in the efap discord Podcast section. I'll be honored and blessed if jared sees it. I'll uh, I'll get it to him. Um Don't worry because he's still in our group This makes my peepee become the big peepee. You must review the efap lore memes memes so that they may be blessed Uh by our lord the sacrifice was a success Amazing lord genesis is from texas time from texas if only rooster teeth wasn't filled with dumbfucks and texas would have everything Congratulations jarred for coming out efap um piped blessman Uh, this is my first super chat this stream it appears by jarred have I made my day also high blessed pipe bad What are your opinions of warp pipes? I Super chat honor of jarred log bad bad, but pipe bad blessed I love that jarred is now Because of him you are forever going to be known as the pipe man Goodie All my reviews are shirtless are yours logman bad, but does he still has the skeleton though? I'm sure he does and oh he couldn't get rid of that skeleton For the sake of our sanity, I'm going to call it there once again Thank you to the guests voxsis being the special guest Uh slash pikeman Who you should definitely go and check out his channel Like I said, he does lots of good and fun videos. In fact, you've uh, you got one on alien covenant Which is something that me and wolf want to do some form of coverage on efap for eventually because of how wonderfully good it is You know, oh, yeah You're gonna show that No, I'm saying that You've covered it very well people should go and watch it this Doing this encourages them to go to your channel. You see. Oh, I see I was afraid you're gonna show the bit where I'm advertising black dot com You're uh on your stream. I'm just you know making sure fucking filthy pipe, but So one of the chat said where were you when the pipe man was blessed? Uh thank you for the extremely kind donations and the extremely creative work for the efap memes We will be back at a later date to be disclosed. Who knows it sounds like majorly is desperate to come on efap So that's probably gonna happen and potentially veto for star wars related stuff. We haven't done that in a while But either way good night everybody and goodbye good night Farewell and praise jared That's it pipe man