 I think goes back to the nature thing we talked about. I really, truly believe that people don't experience living. And I'm going to revert it back into the hunter and gatherers. Now, I'm also in the camp. I don't believe just 10,000 years ago, we're hunters and gatherers. I think there's way more history. I think we've been bombarded by meteorites and asteroids, had earth level extinction events. I know at one point in time, we were down to only like 15,000 humans on the planet. And we repopulated like we're super survivors. And I'm not just talking about Homo sapiens. I'm talking about, you know, Homo erectus all the way back to our lineage, right? If you look at our lineage of millions of years, even predating Homo sapiens, there's a commonality in our lineage. We experienced living, I don't like the word now, but we experienced living in our surrounding environments. We didn't do things for the sake of doing things. We didn't wake up, go to nine or five job. We weren't worrying about mortgages. We weren't worrying about college tuition fees. We had to feed ourselves. Yeah, yeah, the Maslow's, the Maslow Hiker needs. What mattered the most is the safety of our little tribe that we had here and getting food and reproduction, right? Food, sex, safety. We're good to go, right? The simple things that matter. And so through millions of years of evolution, we've been imprinted this genetic makeup. And remember, we, even though we have, we've encoded the DNA, we've soon come to realization is epigenetics. One gene does many things and we still don't know everything because now you have all this section of like junk DNA and mitochondrial DNA. It's like we're just scratching the surface. And so for me, it's if I look at, if I'm an observer, I'm looking this from a subjective manner as observer, looking how our ancestors or even like modern apes, they, how they behave. It's like we don't, we're not, I think really for, there's, I think that this is why people have a deep connection when they're walking in a forest or they're fishing or they just like look at the beach. Like we've been, we've been doing this for millions of years and if we've, you know, in the last say 50 years, we've stopped this. We live in a completely different world than our, than the overwhelming majority of our ancestors have lived. No shit, you're gonna have a psychedelic, a psychedelic, you're gonna have a schizophrenic breakdown when you're in a fucking cubicle for nine hours a day for fucking 10 years. Absolutely, sitting, sitting there. We're not meant to sit. No, not at all. And so like, I think, I think coming back to fractals for me and kind of what you're saying is that like, for me, understanding fractals helps me appreciate and helps me help, helps me have a reverence for nature, a deeper reverence because I see the connectedness. I see the connection. I don't just feel it. I also see it and it's, it's kind of like science. It's like, you know, just breaking things down and, and you know, does science take the magic out of life? No, I don't think so. Yeah. I think that it doesn't have to. I think it can if you allow it to, but I don't think it has to. I think it can re-enview the magic into life by helping you see how incredible things are, how incredibly detailed things are, how against all odds they've come to be. And that's where the fractals come in. It's like, holy cow, everything is actually connected, everything. I always, for me, it's always a mind fuck when I think I'm like, how was I was fucking born? Like I was this, I come from a sperm and egg. Dude, I, so like I'm a father now, you know, I have a 16 month old and I've never been a person who, you know, I've always wanted to go through the process of like, of raising a child and like kind of having a second chance at life almost of like teaching him the things I know and sharing, like I love sharing, right? So I've always wanted that, but at the same time as I was like, kid, hell no, like that's a lot of responsibility and all the other kind of jazz that goes along with it. But I'll tell you, man, that like the moment he was held up and he came out of his womb was, was a psychedelic moment for me. I yelled, what the fuck? Because time slowed down and all of a sudden it's like that thing within me that breathes, that beats my heart, you know, the real me that isn't Vlad, it all made sense right there. And that's my experience. I'm not, I'm not saying that everybody's going to have that experience, but that was my experience. And it's like everything made sense. It gave me, it gave me so much more innate purpose, not to say that like I'm just living for him, but it's like, it came full circle. It was that like Herman Hess had art the moment, like it came full circle in my life. I gave back and now it's not just me selfish anymore. And now it's like all the mistakes I've made and everything else like, gonna make some of those too and that's okay, but I don't even have the words to describe it, but yeah, it was like a psychedelic moment, very powerful one. I think it speaks to that like fractal nature to like reproduce. He is me. Yeah. Yeah. After G. Wild. Crazy. You know, like Genghis Khan has like one in like 100 people had his genes. Oh, totally. Yeah, they did. They did a lot of raping and pillaging back then. Genghis Khan was crazy. Yeah, they spread like wildfire. I didn't even imagine how it would be to like live back then. Oh my God, just an absolute nightmare. Yeah. And this is another thing where like a lot of people don't realize because we have it so good, right? And we've been like coddled and stuff like that and some of us anyway. And we don't realize how tough life was for 99.99% of the existence. You go today, you go places whether it's like Asia Minor or Africa or Latin America. It's fucking. Absolutely. Things are tough. The whole world was like that. I know and it's like you were lucky enough to get food. Yes. There's a freedom though in that though. That I feel like the survival mechanism. It's it, you know, you hear a lot of times about people who have gone to war. You know, like apart from the PTSD and some of the really negative elements that they come back from. There's this element that I hear a lot where it's like they were there surviving one foot in front of the other. And it's kind of what I felt in the Himalayas. I didn't have anybody shooting at me. Maybe it would have taken it to a whole another level. But that's all that you cared about. That's it was the one goal. You weren't thinking about anything else. You didn't have any other anxieties or worries. Did you read Sebastian Younger's book Tribe? No. This is all he talks about. Really interesting. He has gives one example in Bosnia during the Bosnian war after finished there was there was like signs that it was better during the war like from the connection perspective. Yeah, the camaraderie and they say actually people who have gone through war together build the strongest bonds and relationships. Yeah, through adversity, the type of adversity. Yeah, I think we're engineered for it. Yeah, I think we're engineered. We're obviously not engineered for war. Yeah, that's what I don't mean to say. I mean, like we're engineered for for pushing and for overcoming hardship. Yeah, I think. I think humans in general, I think there are a small group of humans who are sociopaths who are engineered to kill and they have no remorse and that's how they program. Just the fact to deal with it and you know, there's theories now that we pillage and rape the Neanderthals and we killed them out of existence. And so that's why I think like a small percentage of humans have Neanderthal DNA. But that's on a small scale, right? It's different when you have a tail end of the curve. Yeah, you have nukes and you have tanks and RPGs and F-16s like a whole different ball game. Obviously, I don't recommend war nor do I want anyone to go to war. I think war is absolutely fucked and obviously it's never the citizens as governments and obviously the citizens are the collateral damage of nation-states that want to control and get resources and it's all, at the end of the day, it's incentive model. It's always the little guy. It's always and so, but there are ways where you can incorporate like I mentioned earlier where like how do you challenge yourself? You know, whether it's a group of friends going together and hiking a crazy hike or hunting or whatever, canoeing a white router, white water rafting, something, some activity to do. It's not Netflix. Yeah, it's something else. It's not just sitting on your phone. It's not just going out, drinking, partying, whatever that is or just like working on your business 24-7 because like honestly, frankly, like this whole entrepreneurialism thing today and it's like how sexy it's become. That's another thing that can be very dangerous.