 Hello, everybody. If it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Joining me as always my co-host Tyler. What's up, buddy? How you doing? Great man. Good to be back. So I couldn't join you last week. All good. All good We we had a we had a pinch hitter come in Paul was a champion It was it was a great show. I definitely recommend people go check that out lots of engagement on what future army should be part of the Cycle of release Marty Welcome buddy. Martin Orlando back on the show again. The good painter storm cast previously known as now good painter High elf Lumineth, whatever we want to say man Marty. What army should be part of? The fourth up for a release What army should be part of the for a release not the launchbox? I'm actually like over the course. Okay? I know what yeah, yeah, I should there be I'm definitely in the camp of Dark Elf Dark Elf Boys Club. I Had this grand idea which I wish games workshop it would implement because we've had Order versus chaos order versus death order versus destruction What better way to reign in fourth edition than having the grand betrayal of the Dark Elves? uniting of Malerion and Marathi into their own sort of like Dark version of order dominion as it as it were I'd love to see what they do with shadow kin Reinventing that whatever they did to to to Lumineth as a success for High Elves I'd love to see that for that their take on Dark Elves. Okay, are we calling Lumineth a success for High Elves? Is that what we're is that the official stance of this show? I'm not sure that's might be your official stance View how about this throat? Hold on I need a disclaimer view points expressed by guests of the show or not to be construed as the official opinions of Warhammer Weekly or Vincent Venturella Incorporated and I can rephrase from an art design perspective. How about that? All good All right, so what might mean Marty's beautiful army was the the Loading page and thumbnail for this show. He sent me a very nice picture with his color Professional photography and I was like, well, but what can we do? Of course, we got to do that And that's what we're gonna be talking about tonight. We're gonna be talking about getting your army painted. We're gonna do a little hobby AMA we're gonna talk about that our own tips tricks journeys experience Tyler's new on the journey Martin is is well progressed obviously and I'm here to be color commentary But of course first the normal stuff. We've got the news What's up nose 40k rumor engine? Yep, it's some kind of rallying thing or whatever cool. It's a 40k thing. It's probably a rallying. It's got a pie in it. All right next Excellent. We've got a not 40k Preview show coming up here. Let's see July 1st 2 p.m. British Standard Time 9 a.m. Eastern I believe 8 p.m. Or 8 a.m. Central So, yeah, we're gonna do a show events if it's good if we actually get stuff Sure, it's actually worth talking about we'll do a show on Saturday. We'll do a reaction show We'll see if Tom's back. He's back in the States. I don't know if he's back home yet or not I see he's in the chat. Hey Tom your trip looked awesome. I hope you had a good time teaching people and sharing your your journey that you went on there through Ancient civilization Foundations of many cultures and religion and all that so look like a very fun teaching trip full of many Gorgeous places from the ancient world My Facebook algorithm is a big fan of Tom Lyons. Oh sure. He's like at the top of the feeds. Yeah, Kathy He's replaced Kathy Venturella. Oh Yeah Hey, we got it. I gotta tell my wife start posting some better stuff. That's unacceptable He says he's driving back now. There you go. All right. Well, we'll keep the company on the drive Tom Have a safe drive. Yeah, drive safe Tom. You have to listen to me for who knows how many hours Exactly, exactly. It's the time will fly by Tom. All right Next up. We'll do a review show We have the harbingers coming out so Dom bringers book one Harbingers, they've got a limited edition then of course big news journal Sandbook Which some folks may or may not have seen today So yeah, and then Respect NDA's on the show. We respect NDA's in the show We've got some box sets coming out for the regiments of renown. So I believe there's four one two three four Each with their own harbinger. Yeah, and yeah, I think the box sets look pretty good Obviously we're big fans of the harbinger Three of the four of these seem interesting one of them contains fire slayers and so By default and de facto is boring and not interesting. That's just I played I played fire slayers Tuesday, man And I had a great time against them. So there were a lot of nuances going on the fire In the US showed up to your Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's very very thoughtful. We had to it at ACO That seems impossible. Did somebody was there a cloning experiment gone wrong? What happened there? Not necessarily but close enough No, I mean, that's fine. I'm sure honestly It was probably a better game than against like soul blight or something like that Yes, we had we had 11 soul blight players and I'm glad I was I took the photo which is now famous The the what is it the Daisy? What was the movie with the zombies where they're like? Like climbing over each other in mountains. I forget the name of I Forget World War Z. There we go. It was very much World War Z on an age of Sigmar table 180 zombies this was this Brendan. I thought Brendan had 200 zombies or is this not Brendan not Brendan There I can understand why certain Midwest folk won't won't go all the way to New Jersey. They might spontaneously combust It's too far away. That's Way over there. Uh, no, but uh, yeah, I I mean 180 zombies either what what's the problem other than it's the most bent unit in the game Why not just stack it up as high as cord would I guess but yeah So lots of stuff coming I assume they'll will probably get so, you know, we got the GHB We got the harbingers were due for a battle scroll sometime soon change is on the horizon If if I may just add to the news There was they started the teaser rollout of the teaser images and today I presume we got the ages Sigmar one because the manhole cover on the sewer grate is the specifically ages sigmar emblem So something Skaven is on the horizon And it's not for Underworlds or war cry or I believe a different emblem would be on the manhole cover. That's fine. I mean like look You know if you try to throw a Skaven box at me in the harbingers series And it's like a new hero like these boxes and a bunch of the old sculpts pass Straight pass. Could be the big could be big pig Look, first of all big pig better show up. Where's this? Where is big pig? We were promised a big pig a while back and I have seen no additional news or anything about big pig I want big pig Like that's yes tomorrow I want big pig now give give me Give me pig But anyways like my point is that's not a Skaven redesign Okay, no, that's you don't get any credit for that. You don't get any credit We got too many Skaven heroes as it is foot heroes is not a thing. We were shy on we're fine. We're all full here We need the obvious. It's the harbinger of a Skaven redesign That's I can't believe I just said that I can't stand puns is that a pun I don't even know what a pun is anymore. I think it's I get worked by them on a weekly basis Well, I think you get you get full pun credit. All right for that. I can see no better transition Let's move on and let's go to some pick of the week Marty what do you want to share with everybody? So I was racking my brain ever since you sent me the invitation I'm like, what do I do for the pick of the week and I started coming through YouTube videos And you've either already spot showing them on the show or Maybe they're just like a little too not quite relevant and I was dipping into My niche which is art design. I'm working on some cyberpunk flavored 40k stuff for Nova this year and CD project red dropped basically they did an interview with some Japanese magazine on the design by Bible for their video game And it includes just this plethora of knowledge down from like graphic design about where they put Advertisements and weathering on buildings to like the line forms on shapes for like all of these textures Even something as small as like a modem or like a car tire And I just found it just it's it's it's like catnip for for hobbyists trying to Maybe add details to their miniatures or build terrain or display boards not quite ages sigma flavored But definitely on point for the the topic of tonight's show So that'll be in the description deeply nerded out on hobby related stuff. That's fantastic. Yeah. All right, Tyler What about you we got? Yeah, so wanted to give a mention to someone who's been Rockstar in the community in my mind for quite some time Phil Morton He was the founder of Wargamer online channel They have been doing battle reports for a long while in AOS So Phil is in a battle with cancer right now and there's hope, but it's definitely serious The channel has recently rebranded to meta breakers So folks can check that out, but I had heard from a friend of his Who had asked if we might be able to do something to? Just let him know that we're thinking about him and what he's going through right now and hoping for the best With the outcome. He's going through rounds of chemo at the moment So Phil had one of the great beards and the hobby. I don't know if you guys ever seen a photo of him or seen one of his videos Fantastic bears. Unfortunately had to lose the beards with what he's going through so a Friend reached out with an idea of if anyone has a great beard or interested in growing one Maybe take a photo and send it over to Phil under a hashtag beard for Phil PHIL His Twitter handle is still at Wargamer online So if you get a chance, maybe shoot him a message again, just send him all the love that you can Have not had the pleasure of meeting him in person But I've watched a lot of videos with this man over the last four or five years and he's he's just awesome So Phil wishing all the best and yeah, buddy. Get cancer's ass Absolutely fantastic Link for all that will be down below For myself Mine I thought since we're talking about getting your army painted and doing the hobby I thought why not shout out the trapped under plastic boys who this week on the weekly podcast We're talking about repainting armies. They went back and looked at everything they painted Tragically short list between the two of them slackers slackers, okay, but They I think I did more than 80 days than they did in how many years Counting kill teams and skirmish war bands. Come on guys. Come on But anyways, they were talking about, you know, if they did it again, what would they do and what would they change? I think that's a really interesting exercise to go back and look through fresh eyes at your older work and say like You know, how would you have reattacked that or or done things now? Is that that is I think a worthwhile endeavor not to actually do it and repaint it But to then like internalize some of the lessons and and see how far you you've come and grown over the time So link down below check that out. It was a good episode All right with that Speaking of a hobby focus show. What would a hobby focus show be without some hobby time? So this will just bleed right into the topic realistically, but we'll still timestamp it But Marty you seem actively working on something right now. What do you up to you there? But what you've been working on? I am painting some of my Dark Angels for Nova To recap those who may not have seen me on the show before I have never entered a 40k event at a convention in my life Even though I have been playing 40k and fantasy and Lord of the Rings since I was a little kid When I was old enough to go to conventions, I would always go to the fantasy GT or and now the Aegis Sigma R event So this is gonna be a big first for me. I signed up for the 40k narrative and I decided to I've always wanted to do something with space marines and this is this is proving to be a one-of-a-kind project This will also be my armies on parade entry for the global contest because it's a little bit more on-brand Uses for official scenery kits not a lot of big scratch built conversions like my Aegis Sigma stuff Yeah, I'm gonna try and hold it up to the phone You can see it a little bit with the washed out colors and like dim like a dark angel Yeah, it is it is if this is a dark angel So yeah, I'm working on some intercessors a terminated chaplain and the apothecary from the new Leviathan box set The goal is to have them done by the end of the weekend And then I'm gonna get back to my Aegis Sigma display board for a GT at the end of July Okay, you got it. So you got a lot teed up a lot going on. Yes, it do Yes, it do. Oh, and I also have a historical bust. I'm working on for capital palette, which is right up here Very nice. Yeah, so a lot Tyler. What about you buddy? We've been working on Yeah, so we're continues on vault wars. I actually have a little train set to show at least One piece of a train set. So I got this Nice if I can do this, right? Yeah, there we go. This is a cardboard Train piece from battle systems. So I got a box their fantasy village I wanted to try it out for you know, see if it might be doable for some ball wars tables I really like it. Like it's it would be helpful if they had online Instructions you had to do some videos To follow along and they were they were a little fast for me I mean, but if a dummy like me can can figure it out then almost anybody could figure it out So it looks great goes together. Well, I got a few other pieces There's you know, I'm hopeful that when you actually get a full table together, it'll it'll look cool Yeah, and it'll be functional. Sure. I've always liked that stuff. The problem with it is it's because it's cardboard It's way easier to damage and you have to be careful. Yeah Yeah, you can't just like throw it in a tub and Exactly something and it's like, uh, whatever happens is fine. You know, like no, it's the some weight will crush that thing Flat. So yeah, you got to be a little more wary Yeah, I I stumbled on them a while back his battle systems and just hadn't heard a whole lot about them in the community I of course in the 40k round tabletop Titans. They did some cardboard to rain I think they've got a fantasy version as well. There's some other groups that are out there's names. I'm forgetting, but yeah Yeah, dude, I was thinking like maybe a major events only and just pull it out make a really nice table with it and Probably sprinkle some pebbles and some rocks on that table because all GT players love that stuff Really really fully immerse them in the experience people love scattered terrain just being everywhere all over the board 100% It's really what I've been to events where that's a thing Sure, they use they use cat litter to add to the sand on ruins Like I'm fine with some amount of scatter in AOS You can do it because we move our models individually. You can just kind of place around it and stuff like that It's when when you were playing a rank and plant game It was like the it was just the worst because your whole stupid tray had to fit up on that thing But that's why one of a myriad number of reasons why I don't like rank and plant games Because they don't really work well with train Okay Don't at me I don't care So the my hobby time Been split between two different projects one is my like very simple fun fast project and that is getting an army 40k ready for For 10th basically and so for that's towel. So here's my little neon towel. I've got three crisis suits done And you can see there he's all are we gonna play it? Are we gonna play a game fence? Sure if you want to play a game Yeah, that's fine So I've got my what I've done I have my crisis suits done and I have like my first test Pathfinder done and you can kind of see him back there is the Character guy, that's his name big armor guy. I don't know star or something like There you go him. There you go. That's him. Yeah, the one with the sword. Yeah one with a sword Yeah, the big dude with a sword and then I've got a big box of Like I've got my combat patrol box for the other big robot my ghost keel or whatever it is and man I'm just I'm stoked. We're gonna have a bunch of Tron towel So that's very exciting to work on my way through those gonna do some videos around that So so look for that stuff coming probably next month sometime. I don't know whenever and Sorry Tron towel versus cyberpunk space marines. I I think that's like a match made in heaven. Yeah, absolutely, man I'm I'm all like it's all blue edge lines and pink Interior lines. So I I actually experimented with many different ways to get the to do the Lining like the interior lining in a fluorescent color and I think I came to a really cool and interesting way to do it So you'll when you watch the video, you'll find out. It's a very specific sort of thing. You don't have to do very often, but When you do hey, here's a good way to do it Nicholas ours is pro tip. Don't play 80 firewars. Don't worry That would never be a thing I would do I got into towel because I wanted to play with them big robots, man I want to play with robots. Robots are cool dudes in mechs and battle suits and stuff. That sounds cool as so I'm gonna have like 20 of the little pathfinders or whatever just for you know, I Do I do have one question about the upcoming video, but you could just always answer We'll go watch the video sure because I was what I was watching J H miniatures that's this one to dog. Oh, and I think he was doing a plasma glow thing And he said the best way to do like an inner glow is to use like a white oil wash And he just pin washes it at the bottom of the coils So it's about so maybe you could do a pin wash with that bright color in the recesses. I May look here's what I'll say watch the video. I Do I'm aware of how capillary action works? I've been around this this this block a few times But the problem is they don't make fluorescent pink Well, so you have to figure out how to navigate those waters how to get it both bright and into fluorescent pink So there you go and Mogwai man says robot jocks robot jocks from the maker of robot wars absolutely That is a who is the name of the director who made robot jocks. This is gonna kill me I Gosh this dude's like a really great 80s director who made a bunch of really silly stuff And sorry my parents aren't here didn't like immediately know the answer to that question. Oh Well, I'm gonna they're both. Yeah, they're both some scholars It was Stuart Gordon. I could not let that go by so there we go Stuart Gordon who made a bunch of very silly 80s things. All right. Anyways, uh, that's the that's the fun project Serious project is this girl right here. I'm working on Which is from mine works Yeah, that's a zombie And that's gonna be great So very very excited about how this is coming along Some of the best skin I've ever done. I'm just only painting figures that have tons of exposed skin That's it. Like I'm I am determined to up my skin game Like all the way I wanted to I want to hit just Like I want I'm trying to max level this particular thing. This is this is a Deliberate practice sort of thing. So yeah, well, you did it You did a great job with Morgan and I might be biased because that's the my version is is my best work so far But I was looking at yours. I was hoping for more photos Because I just can't get enough looking at looking at your rendition of that. That was great Well, you'll get to see it in person in a few months. So there you go. Yep And yes, my way man was right there with Stuart Gordon. All right So yeah, fun stuff but like and I like that I like having a serious project that I sort of take my time on I stare at her for a while and then slowly adjust things And then I've got a just fun stuff. I can just like paint just like yeah, you know work And then as I'm looking I can just be thinking about the more serious project Two projects is the perfect number of projects as we've said many times. All right speaking of that Let's talk about some hoppy gentlemen. Shall we? Let's move over to our main segment, which is getting your army painted. I've got some photos here All mixed up of various photos that we've got. I'll just kind of scroll through it as the show goes on And maybe we'll talk about it every so often But what I want from you People watching is what are your hobby questions? What are your hobby challenges? What are the things that you're you find that stops you from painting? So I Want to actually start this off? Tyler by swinging over to you. Okay. Yeah Tyler Up until basically this year Basically you refuse to paint steadfastly refuse to paint Seven years going had had quite a record going. Yeah, you did you had everybody myself included Offering to help you give you advice to take you through anything you needed to know and And yet Nothing and then all of a sudden the dam broke Right. Yeah, you were paying up a storm Okay So here's my question. I got I got suckered into a quit pro quo guilt guilt trips currently work shame guilt trips They they tend to work on me My friend Bryce He proposed that if he and others are going to paint terrain tables an entire terrain table The least I could do is paint one unit per terrain table Sadly that seemed very reasonable So here we are Now but deeper than that you discovered you actually enjoyed it They do actually enjoy painting. Yeah, you have told me on numerous occasions It's a form of meditation. It's meditative meditative practice and that's quite true Yeah, it's it's it's relaxing Yeah, I dig it. Okay. Okay. Good Marty swing over to you now, buddy You've been on a journey trying to help your painting game We've got here as you said this is as you you put in the chat what it was Thank you. This is your your narrative work right Warband the deathless clans all converted and lots of fun stuff going on here, obviously Many different figures from different kits coming together You did enter this into competition as a unit entry as well in various yeah, and I finally won an award. Sure, so Here's what I want to ask you You've painted Fuck a couple armies now. Okay, and you've been to them to a high quality I don't think I would be mislabeling you to say that when you paint an army You're trying to actually like paint something that's gonna win best painted or at least be in the right. Yeah, right. Yeah Okay, that that would be that would be accurate Okay So what motivated you to get on the improvement train like like why takes a lot of work, right? mm-hmm So I always I actually keep a pinned tweet because a few people have asked me this question Especially in gubertown hobbies discord, which is a great place to talk to people who from all across the spectrum of like Applied effort some people are like, you know what I want to paint one figure every three years Or they want to get better at their figure painting or there might even be people as skilled as like Ben Cantor Just casually post it posting stuff that could like win a crystal brush and that they're working on in there And the pin tweet has a photograph of every Like one model from each of my gaming armies from like when I was in college About like 2013 up to my finished Luminath in 2021 and you can like see the improvement It was one of those things where I would go to events and I would see people That really applied themselves not just trying to Showcase to judges that they are a master of technique like I can do True metallic and non-metallic metal I can express all different types of contrast and use of color theory I could create a technically excellent display, but they're also applying the heart and imagination and Instead of getting jealous where it was like that that makes me discouraged or Man, that's that's just too good for me or that's just too much work I was like well if I really appreciate that level of effort and I want that for my own collection not just for competitions I like putting my own artwork on display in my own home and taking pride in The imagination that went into that and so I just decided that I just wanted to have cooler models that Express like more of like like challenged my ability and Helped me learn more as an artist along the way, and I think it's kind of gone from there Definitely since I want to say 2018 2019 With the help of both yourself Some coaches in the community and just meeting people who are of a far greater skill than I could have previously fathomed It has been a great help And you can see that also in the tweet where we go from all of the different flavors of stormcasts where I'm like showing some gradual improvement and then once I've applied more saturation or weaponized color theory as I like to say to maximize impact In the composition to the audience you can really see it take off and I think that exemplifies best in Both my luminous and my mirror universe ash slaves to darkness that I took to a depth of calm this year Nice, okay. Good. Yeah. All right Let's uh, let's hit the chat. Let's ask some questions. I'm gonna jump forward here. Here's another picture from from Marty These are all in random order. So I think some of the early ones Marty are mostly you so you can type in the chat If you want whatever this is I'll leave that to you or you can talk about it as as you see fit But I want to answer some questions here. So, okay How do you not start 10 projects at once I love it all I don't because I hate having multiple projects They hang over you like the sort of Damocles I don't I don't know like I'm never a person who's I am a bulldog type person I get on one thing working two projects for me is honestly pretty hard So but like I try to force myself to do it just so I don't burn out Because what I want to do is grab one thing work one thing work that one thing until that one thing's done So I decided to do the next thing. I am a single threaded type of individual But I mean like if you know you're not if you know you're somebody who wants to you got it like that that impulse control, right? Walk away from the cookie You gotta you gotta you gotta just sort of focus on that How do you stay motivated putting all the time and effort to get an insane level of quality on baseline infantry guys? Marty, how do you stay motivated to keep painting? I? was from Brian Pickford Congratulations for doing well at ACL. I remember his army pretty well. I I Judged about 45 of the in the end like 87 army So a little bit of them blend together, but I'm always happy to take feedback from people privately I'm sorry except a feedback or give feedback. Sorry tongue twisted there The thing about infantry for me is that I always have a wild imagination while I'm painting my figures and to me Even the infantry matter I try I don't want to say that every little infantry guy has a story But they are furthering the story that you're trying to tell with the overall composition of your army I love regular space Marines. I think he was talking about the Inferness Marines and another question in the chat And so I'm painting regular intercessors right now. It's just a guy with a bolt rifle And they don't really do very much because it's just a light machine gun Which is an anti-infantry weapon and they do some bonus things on objectives where it's like well if they sit on an objective They can actually do the sticky thing where they can tag it and then leave and not most stuff and 40k can't do that but to me all of the little details on them really express an extension of the story and You can't I Feel like the way that games workshop struck structures their model kit ranges the infantry like the baseline little squibs tell as much of a story as all of the big elite centerpiece kits and it gives it gives me a little bit of Comfort isn't the right word, but I feel like I'm Coloring in the whole story by working on even the lowest lowest of infantry guys Now I think that does have its limit because when I was adding at the last second I painted the unmade for my slaves to darkness warband I converted them and I painted them in about three evenings and you could tell like three evenings is still like a lot even for Pushing anyone to try and paint to a very high level in a short period of time But I tried to make them as characterful as possible while just not spending too much time on Maybe like the weathering on like some jerkin or fur boots Etc. So To summarize my little bit of a ramble Every unit every model in your army if you want to paint it well Every model matters So it helps to maybe add a little bit of detail either to their base or to the infantry model itself Whether it's some weathering or like some extra stuff on their belt or maybe like a head swap here and there To really give them that extra bit of life that might not be in the stock kit Okay Yeah, it's a nice answer Marty. It's very ephemeral. It's very soft. It's inspirational. I love it now I'm gonna give you that long. Okay Here's the real talk for for that How do you how do you give me if you're trying to paint to an insane quality? Well, are you are you capable of it ask yourself that question? Are you capable of putting in what's the what's the count per model? Like my stormcast were 12 to 20 hours per model Yeah, okay My marriage army time go for it. Yeah, my my mirrored edge army Which had I believe by the final list I took to a depth of con around like 43 models and That was about 25 hours 22 between 22 and 25 hours a week For 10 weeks sure that that takes over your life And that's exactly where I was gonna go like it's perfectly fair to ask yourself that question Okay, if this one model takes me five hours if that's insane detail for me Right and I got to do 50 of these models Okay, well 50 times 5 it's 250 hours. How many hours do you paint in a week? Right how many hours how many weeks is that are you getting gonna work on that? Are you gonna be interested in doing that project that X amount of time? Like you can look at that in the beginning and if the answer is no if you know You're the type of person who's not gonna sit there three months later and still be interested in this thing and Being in drilling at this same thing then don't Just don't You don't need to there's no requirement to do that You don't need to paint anything especially common troops to the to that level Like if you're trying to win best painted at an event then you've got to put in the time, right? But if you're not if you're just trying to have a nice looking army then cheat Cheat is my answer like on the common core troops cut corners Push contrast pay attention to the areas that matter bases bases weapons shields banners And then and then ignore everything else Super simple I Would be remiss if I didn't add my adage Which I say to effectively everyone multiple times a day when I talk to them at events It is your hobby. Enjoy it at your own pace Sometimes that bases breakneck, but it doesn't have to be well And that's my point is more endurance like you're there's a certain amount of it Like the real answer is you got to build up that endurance It's not like it can be your first army You're just like well I'm gonna take 500 hours on this thing and by the way even if you did it would still look like crap If it's really your first army, it's not gonna look good because you don't have the skill set to do that Like if I went out and just built a house Right now I could take all the time in the world. It would be a really crappy house You wouldn't want to live in because I don't know how to build houses Right. Yeah, like there's a skill set to carpentry and being an electrician and bricklaying and all that sort of thing That I don't have right so Like one yes, always enjoy your hobby and the way you want to Don't ever feel the pressure like you've got to do that in three cheat like crazy Like when I'm judging armies if I see core troops have some pretty simple mistakes and are and are more Simple, but then they put the time in on the centerpieces and stuff like that I don't judge that very negatively like if somebody's done a high quality across everything and that's gonna beat it But I don't mark people down for like, you know Skipping some steps when there's like 80 dudes in a unit. That's mine Yeah, of course you did who what sane person wouldn't life is a time is most valuable resource. You never get it back, right? So there you go okay, oh Okay, I wonder Tyler I want to ask you this question because I wonder how much does this matter Jacob says, how do you finish a project you started when nobody around you wants to play the game? So you've had a pretty healthy scene for AOS for a while, right? Yeah, you got a lot of people So that's never been an issue for for you, but here's my question You had everybody else pressuring you to paint right around you and you're seeing Okay Do you think you would have still painted if no one around you was if no one like you're still playing AOS You're still doing this show. You're still going to tournaments, whatever maybe right early. Yeah, but if you didn't have that regular club Do you think you would you would still have been as motivated to get into and paint? I highly doubt it. Yeah And now I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah, probably I mean, I haven't done a commission in a while Either which because that's a big investment and I just haven't felt That that was a sound use of yeah of my money at this point in time But yeah, no a short answer. I don't think so Yeah, I mean at all. I think that's fair My honest answer is it's really hard to paint a game pieces like game pieces for a game You don't think you're gonna play Yeah, I'll answer unless you paint unless you're doing like two armies So you can show a friend or like take a friend through it or like start a local scene like hey Do you want to play this game? I've got both forces. You can just play this one or play the one you like mm-hmm May I offer a pop an anecdote to that go for it? Why are you doing in advance the slideshow? All right. It'll be another Hey So originally in the 2015 to 2016 era of Age of Sigmar I was one of the only people in like the South Jersey region who like adopted it People despised it. It's like why did fantasy replace this? You gotta yada or people were playing a war machine or magic or whatever But I was paying attention closely to the growing Age of Sigmar global community on Facebook and one of the first events that looked interesting to me was the very first Holy Wars and so In I said to myself if that's what my hobby is going to be If I can't play this locally I can budget my time my money and my army projects around the the events I know I'm going to attend and so I took a big step I flew across the country to a place. I've never been I met a bunch of new people Which is how I came to be friends of the show because I met Vince Tom and a lot of the Midwest at Depticon sort of crew there and That's basically where I started my hobby journey in Age of Sigmar really even though I was starting it from the beginning I I found a goal even if it's a little bit longer term can't play it at home But I can't play it at this one event or something like that that grew and grew and now It's at the game a little scene stuff like that. So it helps to find a goal Which can create motivation for you. I like that. That's great. That's good advice Prussian warfare said my question. How do you go about fixing brush mistakes on places you airbrushed? I find myself using the color I airbrushed with the brush being Different tint than the airbrush color. Yeah, they always will be mainly because of how colors are mixing The answer is you just got to remix a matching color on your palette Like figure out what's different about it like lighten it up slightly darken it up slightly play with it And then re-airbrush it like the key is Repaint it. I mean like I know that sounds like I'm being incredibly pedantic but like it Will happen it just will and in the areas you just kind of like at a small micro scale You don't need to have the exact color It just needs to be close and then you just keep working up and down until you get it into the range So it's just a matter of you keep painting that area a little bit of this color No, it needs to be a little darker a little lighter a little more yellow a little more green Like it happens all the time and you just you just keep working it back and forth Okay All right Let's see Somewhere in here was I miss a question. Oh There you go. How do you get started again after a long period of inaction break the damn the second time? Well, Nicholas are I've got a simple answer for you buddy. I really do you do it You just do it what it can be we can we can go Jordan we can go What's his name, I know he's in the woods and he's gonna kill you shy love up. There we go. Just do it I was gonna I had to get there. I think about I had to think of the whole song in my head. Mm-hmm. Oh No, your legs caught in a bear trap. So, um the Like I mean, I know that again. It sounds like a silly answer, but like There is no other thing to do. There's no watch videos learn anything There's nothing that you get paints and brushes and a cup of water and a model and you put those four things together And the fun alchemy that is our hobby like you just sit down and do it and you won't be you potentially you lost some of your skill Is it true that if you don't use it you lose it? Is that a real question? I mean like maybe maybe you you you lost a little but who cares you'll you'll skill back up quick enough But like you're you're never gonna skill if you're never gonna do anything if you don't actually get into it And you don't need to worry about like but what paint should I buy any some What brushes? Yep Just a brush a thing that is made of a stick with a little metal band around it That has little tiny hairs on the end, right? What model should you paint? Whatever you want man grab anything go nuts like again the points not set to have don't let perfect be the enemy of the good in that situation Just do it like it's and then you will figure out what you like and don't like as you get back into it and get going Tyler you you like you had to play the damn so yeah, cuz My I Have this like take the getting it a OS in 2015 first thing I did getting it a was to this 15 I created an age of Sigmar directory Because that's my approach to things I like to try to get a comprehensive understanding of an ecosystem, right? And so like I've been trying to I get it. I'm a massive nerd when I look you know learning about Macro-economics, so I didn't need to create a directory on macroeconomics and all of these different areas and get a comprehensive understanding of What's the state of the arts and so Doing that trying to do that with painting is I've been finding that rather impossible as an idea and probably a waste of time as a starting point and So I had to quickly get over that and it's just been muddling through ever since with the help of Bryce and Linus and other friends locally Especially Linus of late to help with my nerd. So yeah, and like this next project, which I'm sure we'll talk about a little bit Like would like to get a little bit better But it's going to be probably another process of muddling through asking Marty you and others questions getting intercept What paints and a few techniques like highlighting is the thing apparently how do I do highlighting decently? I think you just had a video on that effect Yeah, but anyway, yeah, you just watch my video So yeah, I want you to get I refer people to your videos from like seven years ago Well, I appreciate good advice not much good camera or audio, but but the advice I stand behind so that's fine. Yes All right Brick frog once you've gotten started on an old project How do you handle the dust and stuff accumulated on it? How much do super painters like you guys worry about bits of hair stuck in pain? I mean, I have three golden retriever long-haired dogs It's sort of an inevitability, but if it's like a competition model, I worry about it and try to make sure it's not happening If it's anything else who gives a hot Pile of crap like whatever man. It's life, you know, like that's just gonna occur As far as like dust I mean, I keep if I I don't have old projects because I finish everything I work on in a relatively short period of time But yes, Marty's exactly right. Keep a big giant soft brush like a big giant soft makeup brush around That you like one for doing blush is really the right one like I'll show you the one I use here Here it is. It's this the dog actually chewed it. You can see this is a Marty check this See that the carol the dog had chewed this and and so my wife was just like why can't use this can use it And this is like the softest thing because it was meant for doing like, you know blush, right? It's supposed to be like real light applicator. So these hairs are like super soft and nice It's just the perfect dusting brush because you can go over it not hurt anything So I just keep this around if something for some reason I need to dust something grab it Give me a nice little dusty dust I have a I have a two-step rule for dusting one right before you paint and To right before you take it to an event if it's competition mode Because you're you're gonna see stuff on your way to taking it to the cabinet I'm gonna be like I can't touch it with my thumb I I need something and just it just helps to to do that before you put it in the case to get the car Yeah Yeah Yep, hey Rocco good to see you. I just wanted to mention Rocco I'm enjoying your things that scare ex-player So he's been doing this series of like the latest one things that scare seven of players good videos Yeah, Brenda not talking about so blind. Yeah, I'm really enjoying your series man. That's fantastic All right So Brian Pickford said how do you paint cast shadows? You watch Eric Swinson and or learn from him that's I think the master of current cast shadows is mirrors like him tell I mean, it's a it's a you I'll get I'll actually give you the real answer the real answer How you pace can't paint cast shadows is you take a light like this like your painting light You hold it up to your model like that real close Okay, and you take a picture of it under that light and see where are the shadows being cast by this thing in that light? Then you paint that but you have to over accentuate it and kind of fuzz the like you're gonna go darker because it won't generally show as dark when you're that close and you You can also choose like a small flashlight. I don't know if I have one around. Yeah, here we go like Like if you have a little flashlight like this like I keep one around just case the lights go out down here, right? So I can get to my electrical box. It's back here off the camera You can just like take a small flashlight and point it near him like that and that'll give you real strong cast shadows, right? If I may shout out TJ Marsh, have you spoken to him at all Vince from Journeyman? No And but anyway, he was at a depth of con. He's like the other guy at the um, he painted all of the dragons for cowardice Okay, got it. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's Talking to him has just been such an enlightening thing on shadows and texture because he doesn't like blending He's like well if I can't do it perfectly. I'm not gonna bother. So all of his What look like blends are actually just like individual like texture hashes and stuff like that Sure, and he and he is this this big thing about how to paint shadows and bounce lights and stuff like that It's it's I think you you also said it everything's either a cylinder or a sphere And once you think about things that way and how it's going. Yeah a rectangle. Yeah It becomes a little bit easier to conceptualize How shadows work? Sure, but then I asked their genetic shapes Yeah, I then in general have a rule for people who ask me that question Don't do it on gaming miniatures. Yeah It's it it's meant to be more of a display thing because where there's a solid viewing angle. Yes Here we go, we'll jump to another Marty's photos here while we move to some more questions Jonathan Charles said when I got back in a warhammer with my friend I swore I wouldn't get into seraphon until they updated source. It's not I'm working on my passion project of seraphon Pushing some highlights. That's awesome man. It's cool. It's very good Okay for gum. What do you guys what do you guys think about seraphon? Okay, so I feel like Yeah Okay, I may have played seraphon yesterday and there were there were skinks on the table as well I survived the experience, but That that army is what have I told you about staring into the abyss? Indeed So that I love actually where coalesced who the hell knows and uh, you know in the coming weeks, right? Where they're gonna be but I love where they're at the moment because they're in that challenging spot I coalesced no one is going going to accuse coalesced of being overpowered right now, and I love that about them It's a it's a magic discussion during a hobby show the point being that I find them fascinating but yeah, I'm curious like from a painting standpoint how How attractive what do you think they would be for somebody like me or or other newbies relative newbies? I think they're a perfect army for for relatively new painters. Like I really do. I think they're wonderful as a starter army Yeah, seraphon are possibly one of the easiest armies to paint my opinion even with like the new Overdesigned lots of detailed centerpiece stuff. Yeah, because like the big the big frogs in the middle are tough And they have a lot of crap on it But it's still just like crap you can contrast like vines and sticks and stuff like that with texture. Yeah, okay and the Like seraphon themselves with like scales they have a lot of roughness to them. They're very natural creatures. They're very unit They're very Unimaterial like that is to say they're all one organic thing and I like wearing a lot of different crap Like Marty's pictures here are great examples of people with a lot of crap on them Look at all this crap on this guy so much crap I should have put a space screen in there because they don't have a lot of crap on them just the base one Yeah, sure sure and so no, I think they're great And here's I'll say like if you look at my armies you could divide them very neatly into two types of projects So I have armies that I've gone like all the way on and those take months and months All right, and then you have armies. I've painted in less than a week right often in something like 24 to 48 hours and Seraphon falls into the latter category, right? So all those armies that fall into that latter category are the super friendly Like beginner armies. This is where john screwed up with his paint army in a weekend project He tried to do like night lord chaos space brains. Yeah, do your mind? Oh, yeah That's just that's just he didn't think that through okay And like how many pox walkers or something like that? That's like, well, I mean, you know The that little the the held rake alone the the the chaos chicken alone. It's that's that's a whole project for a weekend But like fec seraphon, right? Uh, certain flavors of of of gits, especially like trolls like an old trawlgoth army Maybe yeah, maybe iron joss iron joss to the mall amount Nurgle, right? These are like all very new newbie friendly armies take well summoning is annoying Sure, but I mean like whatever. Yeah, you're not you're not worried about summoning when you're just trying to get an army on The table, right? Like whatever whatever you gotta eventually have a unit, but like it's not the biggest deal, right? You can just be like, I don't summon anything All right. Yes, okay cool So like those are all very new friendly armies Yeah, I'm just noticing armies that are in that like 40 to 50 model range are very attractive in my mind And seraphon the list I wrote was exactly 50 models on the nose and a lot of stormcast lists are like around 40 models Love it. Yeah No, I think that's dead on Uh, for myself You know, it's like Seraphon was a very fun project. I had all those seraphon for a while A lot of mine are really old ones, but it was still a good chance to like mix of new and old kits and to paint them up Um, I'm sure at some point I'll paint up the the new frog. Just have a new salon. He seems fun Okay I I I am the opposite because I like when they have a lot of crap on them because that just adds to the storytelling for me Yeah, sure I'm gonna minimize the crap kind of guy So, all right. Yeah For gum I want to get better at marble. I've watched the hobby cheating video and just couldn't make it work Any advice or tips or help? Sure. I'll give one and then marty. If you've got anything, let's throw in here Uh, I mean marble is just texture. It's really just stipples and slash And lines. It's all it is so like um That kind of like stippling stuff is just a good way to go about it You just take different colors and and literally jam a brush at it in a random pattern And you'll get eventually to marble if it's got a satin finish and it's in the sort of a certain color tone Like greens, it's all in different blues or blue greens And or it's all in white and white browns and white brown blacks and stuff like that But as well, if you want the cheat, you can always use the dryer sheet method You take like a dryer sheet You so you airbrush an area you airbrush the thing White and you take a dryer sheet and you kind of pull it apart And then you airbrush over top like but the dryer sheet is a filter you airbrush gray And that'll create this really weird Liny pattern that looks like marble and then you pull another one apart less So it's less so less pink it's through and then you do black Ta-da Like marble it'll look like some of the most convincing marble you've ever seen in your life And it's just literally you taking a dryer sheet and like stretching it pulling it apart That's all that's that'd be like a super cheat already anything I missed on the marble you want to add in um, I put in the youtube chat I just linked to herner's video on marble because I just I'd like to see even though it's a three Yeah, it'll kill the link out for you, but that's fine. I'll okay. Yes. Yeah. Yeah It's it's it's just from steve herner's youtube channel He has two different ways to paint marble, which he did for one of the holy tables. I I know it has a name They all have names, but Yes, he did multiple whole marble tables. Yeah Yeah, and it was to match not only like the flavor of his uh, doomcast eternals But also it looks great in general marble is not something I tend to paint. I tend to favor textures which are either two like like rustic and naturalistic um, or Stare hard into like the sci-fi thing like so it's just not something I tend to paint on models However, I have seen other people do great tutorials on them the best one I've seen that just immediately came to mind was by steve herner Check it out. It's his youtube channel is holy hammer hobbies and he is holy hammer hern on twitter Nice All right, here we go Dr. Clownicus when you start a new army, do you start with the most basic infantry and get to the centerpiece figures after them? I know what I feel here's what i'm going to ask Tyler you started your first army. What how did you start it? What did you start with? What order did you go? like bears Oh, actually, I think it was nurglings like bears then flag drones And I got help with the most complicated ones. I I still haven't done a truly centerpiece Like great and clean one black kings by lords my friend line has helped me with those just to get finished in time So I still need to actually do something a little more complicated. But yeah, we're gonna we're gonna get you on a centerpiece I'm like, we're gonna get you a great I want to get a big thing in front of you. It's all the same stuff. It's just more surface area Just think of it like a bunch of little tiny minis squished together into one mini same thing Yeah, yeah All right, martin. What's your tactic? um Unfortunately, I'm not going to be much help here Uh, because when I start a new project if I'm starting it from scratch It's a very large undertaking and I have to figure out how the colors are going to look on one basic model first Um, I tend to wait a little bit on the centerpieces because the centerpieces may have Their own color scheme or their own take on the ideas that I'm bringing to a warhammer project like a good example being my techless I didn't paint techless until I was about Uh, like 10 or so months into painting lumineff Uh, the slaves to darkness don't really have a centerpiece right now I'm still thinking about how I want to do archaion or a manticore lord or say archaion and bellicor would like to speak to You about this slander you're putting here Exactly. Yeah, um, I think I have an idea for bellicor, but that that's that's that's gonna be a tremendous undertaking I'm only going to do that if he becomes the meta pick and I want to bring it to like something like adepticon or lvo Uh, because that that will require a very large kit bash of expensive models and stuff like that So as bellicor is always the meta pick my friends. So history is on your side Yeah, yeah, yeah So in my opinion you should start with like a single model to figure out if you like the colors or not Because those are the colors you're going to be working on for a lot of troops and stuff For a long time if you want to put a lot of time and effort into the project Even if you're only putting a little bit of effort in start with a unit get to get into the flow Of like well, I want to do the like just say for like chaos. It's like I want to do the black armor I want to do the leather boots I want to do the cape the fur the metals the base and then i'm done If that takes like maybe two or three hours per guy if that might be less Um, and once you get into the rhythm I would I would say like don't leave the centerpiece for last Like try and put it around halfway through the project so that you can come you you don't have to stress about leaving it for the end And you have stuff to look forward to which is a little easier after you've spent a lot of time on a bigger Noisier model Yeah, I mean my answer is I use a very simple system Serve me well over 20 plus armies And that is the reward system you always start with you figure out you do a couple of base units Using five units of 10 whatever you reward yourself with a single model And you do a couple more five or tens then you reward yourself with a single model And you do a couple more units like multi multi figure units Then you reward yourself with a big model and you've got an army Save the coolest thing you're most excited about until last because once you paint that thing you'll be done That's it And there you go. So like in the case of say like tyler's nergal army, I would have done like Okay, here's my plague bearers and five blight kings and then I'll do like a lord of blights or something Right, and then I'll paint the unit of plague drones and maybe 10 more blight or plague bear plague bearers and then I'll do Like a sloppity biopiper Right or whatever and then and so on and I'll just keep alternating like that right because Those those single figures end up just being fun palette cleansers where you can really spend the time and focus in and you know like This one guy is it. That's it. I'm done with him. I'm done with the unit I was thinking about like if I paint 10 vigilors, I'll reward myself by getting bash and carthalos commissioned Does that count? That counts, right? As long as you're painting it as long as you're like not Not the commission. I mean as long as you're painting the 10 vigilors. Sure Yeah, I everyone by yourself ice cream do whatever whatever your reward system is man. I don't care Like yeah, you spend your money how you want dude. I'm not here to judge you. Yeah, I think that's okay uh okay Uh Keith this is a very specific question that I have no idea how to answer But I but I but I think it's a worthwhile thing Which is I want to paint my plastic Horace heresy marines as old school rogue trader salamanders lava camo How does one stay sane painting that many squiggly black lines? What marty, do you know what this is referencing? What is rogue trader salamander lava camo? Um, the only thing I can think of is at the bottom of the salamanders Yeah, the only thing I can think of that might be referencing is at the bottom of most salamander armor And they not only do they have the lime green But like at the bottom of their their armor plates They tend to be like little bits of detail Which look like smoldering calderas and like but like the the the mouth of a volcano And maybe they're covered in more of that Um Looks like they're yellow with sort of weird squiggly black lines on them Yeah Well, oh my god. Okay. I found the color scheme. All right. I found the actual like color plate All right, so two things keith one do not paint your models to look like this Holy crap on a cracker. That is one of the ugliest color schemes. I have ever seen in my life That is hideous. It should be left in the ash bin of history That is woof I mean like it looks like they look like bumblebees like drunk bumblebees I I really wonder what drugs were being done when these original color plates were designed. Okay Now That being said That's not even that many black squiggly lines do there's like they're big thick black lines across the guy Yeah, I mean like the answer is just build up like that's just that's a simple Black line across the thing. I don't know like that's not it's pretty straightforward color scheme on on on him if you want to be like Yeah, okay. I sit. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's that's interesting. That's that's definitely a that's a word. Um But yeah, I mean like really it's not that's not, you know doing like micro detail or something like that So the answer is, you know, do one see how you feel figure out how you get your steps Like smooth flowing paint And you're good to go you start you want to make it so you can just trace the line smoothly Around the piece. That's the answer the less going back to your your pal and stuff like that. It's going to be a better experience Okay, uh, let's see Uh warp fiend studios just finished my first full aos army iron jaws You've chosen wisely. I think talla and I would agree with you there And I found it a bit painful experience if you have to speed paint an army, how do you deal with burnout afterwards? Yeah, sure. I mean every time I do like a 24 hour or a paint army in a week video or something like that I'm exhausted afterwards And the answer is you do exactly what I just said you alternate over to something that doesn't matter Paint a single figure from some other random army Uh, you know work on a display project work on something a different scale or a bust Like work on just some hero or something where you take your time Do an experiment with a new type of product like oh, I'm going to mess with this new type of paint Or new thing like give yourself a different goal Right shift gears completely out of army painting into something else That would be my advice so Yeah Vince to ask you a random question. So did you see that storm cast photo? I sent you I did Talk about that. I'm just waiting on the right question to get it. Don't worry. Well, I've got a cute up my boy my dog I wanted to yeah, I wanted to ask you about metallics and yeah Okay, if you had particular recommendations as far as metallic paints and and all of that Everything I know about metallics I get from Vince. So you I have opinions Okay uh, all right so Jim crimman says I'm a dad who paints at night when the family's asleep. I'm also kind of slow Painting a full army to my best would take six months. That seems like a mountain to climb Can you accept a lower quality for the enthusiasm trade-off? Yeah, sure. I don't paint with my best ability all the time. I couldn't it'd be impossible I'd never finish anything like I'm not trying to be a jerk about it. I just mean like Obviously I can spend a lot of time on things like I've built up a reservoir of knowledge That's either I know how to paint to a fairly high level, right? Nobody paints to their highest level all the time. That's just that's just reality You can't once you like this your skill doesn't have to peak up very high to where that suddenly becomes impossible If you ever want to actually get anything painted And the answer is yeah, you always like you the key isn't painting less equally It's painting less what doesn't matter Like I really want to emphasize this And Nina's has mentioned this in a few videos recently Jon and I think he's like I've talked about this for a long time And I completely agree with this point I mentioned it offhand earlier You don't need to invest a ton of time into the whole model Most people will never notice The a lot of stuff you focus in on the areas that matter faces Details around the face like what's the main thing the armor make the armor look cool All right, he's got a cool giant weapon make the giant weapon look cool Give him a cool looking sword right have a cool looking base But like all the other stuff can just be basically phoning it in his pants his boots his belts his bags All the b words his backpacks All right his butt Nothing you just you'd like you know single layer maybe a little little little washy wash or some quick scratchy texture And you call that a day homie you blow through that stuff who cares Nobody's gonna notice if you put the effort into the things people actually look at They'll be like this the army looks amazing and you'll be like he he he I spent like a third of the time. That's the answer. So it's just figuring out what matters on the figures Yeah, okay All right Uh, I do have a side question. Well, uh, just to before we close on that. Yeah, go for it. Then how does then how does margiata do it? Uh, because he doesn't paint armies He does units Like that's just it. John is because john is a very methodical painter Like he's one of the most methodical painters I ever it so marty's asking about blood is medium john margiata a great painter But john isn't an army painter john paints units. He's the best unit painter. I would argue in the world Okay Yeah But you can do that You can be methodical And detailed when the end of your road is five models Yeah, that's true, right It's still a project. It's still a project But it's but it has a much shorter terminus Like that that the end of that is way easier to spot in the future than than doing that level on you know 100 space marine army or something crazy, right? Okay, uh, let's see And george sarlin agreed he said realizing and accepting just because I can paint to a standard doesn't mean I have to It's been a great stress reliever. Yeah, exactly exactly Like again, I'll hold up the two things i'm working on this and this Right, like these are quick little fun paints that are you know, just like nothing This is Weeks of work hundreds of hours, right? Very different You know, you don't have to always keep one to the other Okay Uh, let's see. Where did I leave off? I jumped down Uh, okay Keith roger said what I hear been saying right now is eat your vegetables first. Yes Yes Correct Always eat your vegetables first Uh, be a be a pleasure delayer. I promise you will be more successful in life in general Uh, if you can if you can leave the cookie for five minutes. That's that's just it Do not take the temptation dice Never take the temptation dice Okay, I'm sorry vince. You left the joke right there. Yeah, no, it's fine Absolutely somebody was talking about stoicism in relation to the hobby recently. I can't remember who that was Obviously, we're talking probably probably probably kanthi mentioned did I imagine he's he's yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, I mean Yeah, yes, he's like a 19 year old that just discovered that stoicism exists. So it's very into it. That's great Uh, it's no, it's fine. Great. It was a good video paul. I enjoyed it I watched it. Hey, I watched it and I gave it a like I always love when people talk philosophy I appreciate him finding things Just wait till he gets to the responses to the stoics boy. That's going to be a real mind power for him. Uh, okay I mean like My wife for our wedding gave me a framed picture with a quote from Epictetus epictetus. Have you say his name? I don't know. I wasn't around in ancient Greece I never met the guy On it. So I mean that should tell you Things Uh at any rate Uh, okay, uh, let's see Uh, all right some people steal things. Let's talk about starting a new army. Okay uh the um I want to I want to I want to I want to flip over to another picture. I've got here. So Let me let me bring this up because let's talk about getting over that hump the fear. So Tyler I've brought up your picture Oh, no Now explain to people what is on the screen right now Let me Actually get it on the screen with the delay Sure. What are you showing? These are a couple of storm cast boys Oh, yeah These are some, uh, vigilors or whatever so my my dallas my dallas cowboy scheme that I like somebody pointed that out This is the dallas cow that I thought that was incredibly rude But I do love this color scheme And I have no idea if anybody knows who painted this color scheme. I have no idea where I found it It was a while back But I love this scheme and so I would like to do this as my scheme for storm cast as the next army Now I've heard whites are pain. I'm seeing some whites inside there those cloaks Maybe there's a cheat on that like gray. Maybe obviously you've got high Well, anyway, I could probably shut up, but yeah, that's what I want to do Okay, this is this scheme you want, right? This is what I want. Yeah, okay. What is Game or is this a photoshop? Oh, I don't know. I haven't I have no idea martin. Yeah, okay It doesn't matter irrelevant either way, but but okay So now we're going to ask the relevant question because I because I imagine you're living something that many people in the audience have felt Tyler they look out there They see a scheme simple or complicated anywhere in between doesn't matter Yeah, right and they think to themselves. I want that but I don't know how to do that Right. Yeah, what's stopping you from doing this? What's your what's your what's holding you back? Oh The new ghb and battle scroll to get the points to figure out what the list is going to be That's number one. That's not exactly probably what you're looking for The I don't think anything in particular stopping me from Getting started other than I need to figure out what my list is going to be and get the models and and get started So honestly, I mean that's that's it I I was curious like when I look at this it feels doable to me as a next step or at least something approximating this But I also feel like there's a lot going on here that I don't See and I was curious to your guy like the face of that gentleman, uh rock and the appropriate haircut Like how difficult is to achieve a face like that? Like it looks quite cool to me quite nice But yeah, your guy's overall sense of the quality of this Like like this to me feels like It's it's very nice quality, but it seems achievable Can I just add one quick thing before you start fence? Go for it, man. I want you to answer. I want you to answer his question Uh, uh, so the first the first thing that I heard was you're waiting on What what the rules and points are going to be? You know what your list is Yeah, and I'm extrapolating from that is you don't want to lose any time painting A unit that's not going to make it to the tournament list. Is that correct? Yeah Absolutely marty and with it with a usual asterisk, right that i'm not looking for a 5o list, right? I'm looking for my list my usual special snowflake list that yeah Well, you can look for the 5o list And in my opinion That that in the in the dull drums or like the the knell period between The the no knowledge and knowledge of what the the competitive meta or like the thing that you're going to bring is paint test models It doesn't matter. Yeah, that's true. Like this just find if you want to start new with stormcast It can be any stormcast though. I recommend it have more textures rather than less So like it could be a vigilore like just find an unpainted vigilore Maybe a like this like the thrift game store or something like that Just one that it's not part of like the box of ten or whatever Mr. Shu sent me a bunch of sacrosanct stormcast a while back Yeah, so to take one of the sequiturs or one of the castigators And figure out the scheme you're going to have and you can do it two or three times You can even repaint it It will just give you the idea that Of like how you want to paint the armor how you want to paint the cloth the skin etc Because even if it's a little messy on the test model You'll be able to hit the ground running once you have the tournament list in your head. Does that make sense? Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I mean ultimately these these are excuses I could have gotten started by now and and should have because I think a lot of what I That's that's totally okay. Like it's gonna have it's gonna have vindictors. Bank of sure is vigilores My friend Dan ran a all the v units important all the v's ran a thunder strike list. I love the idea somebody I'm forgetting the name. Maybe jonathan acry. I could be butchering that name at the colorado That's right pure pure third. Yeah, beautiful Beautiful g w style thunder strike pure thunder strike army I love the idea of like a thunder strike oriented list and if it's if it's good, great If it's not great like but I just I want that Yeah, I played a macan's acidic gorgeous model. Nice great game. Yeah. Yeah cool So, yeah, this is the this the scheme Yeah, so uh, you you're like looking for input on how to paint it I yeah, like let's let's tackle that separate. Here's what i'll say. Okay I want to break down the fundamentals of a scheme and what you like the types of things you think about I want to meta this for a moment. Okay. Yes, because I want to get into your brain to the brain of our audience You're looking at this scheme and you're thinking to yourself. I want to do that But I don't know how to get there or how complicated is okay. Okay. Here's question one. Okay every time There's there's questions that get asked fall into two basic things Okay, I get asked questions and it's how can I paint something like this and that it comes into two different answers One answer is you watch this video. Here's how I explain the technique or here's how you do the technique or something like that Right, it's a very achievable technique. It's just some Application of the base way that we layer and glaze and paint and in general and and or stipple or whatever Okay, it's just like some application of basic acrylic paint So Most things will fall into this category That's things like well, how do I get a cool looking blue color like that or how do I get a good looking Like slight blue tinted metal Right or how do I get a yellow that's actually vibrant or whatever right? Those are the kind of questions that I'll fall into that thing Yeah Okay, because that's just you that's just that's just a technical hurdle of understanding Right that you got to get over like if you're missing some some basic piece of of knowledge, we gotta slot in And then there's a second category of questions that my answer is you don't Okay, like how do I paint something like this? You don't Like and these are questions like I want thing the thing to look like it's made of obsidian Nope, you do not I promise you Okay Or I want to do like an oil slick rainbow effect Anytime you're trying to play paint the extreme complexities of light Ask yourself is what I am trying to capture here is what I am asking about Something about the fundamental extreme complexities of how light operates at the very edges Of physics if the answer is yes Don't paint that thing It is like I have I have this video. I'm gonna make some time called the five things you should never try to paint Okay And and both of those will be on my list But this one So like what you want to look at is you look at that and say okay How many different You know radical color Combinations or complicated techniques am I using here? You know like is there is a really complicated things going on that? I can't I can't reverse engineer. No, not really There's a blue part with some decent layering. There's a white gray part. Okay, cool You know the bow is made of and the and the leathers are all just sort of dark brown Got it. And then there's like a Coppery gold color like a rich warm red infused gold Okay, cool like that seems that seems break downable Right. Mm-hmm This feels like an eminently doable scheme The most challenging part of this scheme Is going to be getting a nice smooth, you know gray to near white right or the The inside of the cloak the cloak right inside. Okay. Yeah, and that's just really a matter of layering up That's all it is You know starting with a nice mid-tone gray and then layering up some color nothing more to it than that, right? Priming in a good middle middle color as zenithal will set you on the right path But the rest of this is really easy. It's nice. It's working with darker colors Darker colors are pretty easy to work with they're they're much more transparent So like doing a nice zenithal and then laying down something like a deep blue color like that will get you in a good place right away All right And the metals are just the metals it's just a matter of using good metallic paints and then and then applying some some reasonable easy shading and stuff like that Yeah, that was my initial experience with some metallics when I was trying things out I on Plaguebearers With their banners and whatnot that it's like surprised at how nice it looked by just a good metallic And like I said, I was curious your guys thoughts on what you think are Some of the better metallics that are out there that you would recommend the color It's almost as if fenced at a video reviewing every metallic me Yeah multiple times Vallejo metal color this one right here if you can find the one that doesn't say new formula then even better but This one this okay. Okay. All right very good That is the one this is the way We do not we do not use anything else. This is the way And that's all you need Green stuff world gold is decent Sure for like their pigment stuff the other they only pride like I use all the time But I wish I just I didn't have to because I don't like green stuff world because they're a bad company But yeah, here we are nobody else is making pigment right now Or or good metals. So it's puts me in a real pickle What about these cloaks with uh the Is that what you would characterize as edge highlighting or Highlighting the the blue the dark blue No, it's just some simple layering In fact, you could get that effect with contrast if you use your airbrush pretty cleverly with when you're when you're zenithing And then you just put a single dark blue contrast over you could you could get basically that effect The the folds in the in the cloaks. So like the guy Yeah, with the the dark blue the adder dark blue where it's got that white that lighter lighter color there Yeah, you're talking about here on this fold like on his front on his front left leg Like the fold coming down from the left leg. Yes. I'm saying like if you just zenithaled that from above with white Okay, and then you contrast paint over the whole thing There's still darker in the recesses from your undershirt Oh, yeah, yeah The higher ones lighter up that being said you can also achieve that with layering or you could achieve that with glazing or a hundred other techniques, right? It's Why I think this might be a paint over and photoshop because Those blues look pretty Dissaturated as if someone like laid a filter over whatever the original blue might have been um And so I always say that saturation like there's there's five types of contrast I'm always going to forget the fifth one off of the top of my head, but one of them is saturated versus desaturated colors silver in general is but No, I agree go. I was okay. I was I was affirming Yeah, um this silver in general because it is effectively a metallic gray Unless you are really pushing All of like the shadows to have like um like the talus are blue contrast or or whatever like a blue ink Like um almost that gray nights from 40k It looks pretty desaturated So I would rely upon the fabric even if it's a dark blue You can have a darker blue which is still saturated And the way that you do that is generally instead of using dark blue in your shadow colors You walk um like next door on the color wheel you start looking at purples Um, maybe you change the highlight color instead of just doing like um uh Like a cloudy like I'm sort of like a blue sky sort of thing which is kind of um Desaturated maybe pushing to like the teals For your edge highlights on those folds It might look a little weird in a vacuum on the palette But we as humans read color It not only where where it is on the wheel but in relation to other colors next to it And so I think a dark blue if you played with saturation correctly Would look a lot more visually interesting next to regular silver armor All right any comments gents? No, I agree. That's fine. I think I think I think you could go this or or or Modify it as marty's saying I think it's fine either way. Um, this is very blue infused the the whole way around But yeah, I think I think just a matter of a good silver It's like lazing for the colors and going from there now. You asked like how hard is it to paint a face like that? Oh, that's hard It's a good looking face Yeah, it's hard. I mean painting a good face takes practice. The rest of this is actually extremely simple Painting a good face takes a lot of practice. This is a small small area. It's a lot of detail. It takes practice You can get it reasonably good looking Okay, yeah All right. Well, yeah, I appreciate a little bit of time on this I was just curious that right because I I have no real sense of like my calibration on these things And it's it's good to hear. Yeah, some of your guys perspective on On it Cool. All right, cool. I'll just flip over some new models. Let's go back over here. We'll talk about other stuff Marty, we're just looking at your ear. All right Well, I asked yeah, I'm I'm plugging the uh, the phonin. Oh, that's smart move Uh, ag any tips on edge highlighting? Yes, I have a video coming soon. I also have an old video on it Uh, I mean like the real key with edge highlighting is just getting your paint consistency correct And then just developing the light the right light touch like You know, it's it's just about it's it that is literally a practice thing Because you need to get the exact You need to get mixing your paint to the right consistency down and then you need to get down just how to touch the model with the right Lightness to just get that edge Traced and that's just something that comes with brush control in time But the the the real answer is you do a lot of it you do a lot of edge highlighting and that it makes you Better at edge highlighting Now remember remember the hack Let's say this is the edge This is the edge There you go. Okay, but you painted the edge like this In other words, you made it nice and fat the key is come back in with your base color Whatever this is and push Against it until it gets thin. I have a video on this on how to cheat edge highlighting But edge highlighting is very easy to fix like if you if you faff in your head or get a fat edge You just push back from the other direction with your main tone to thin it down Okay Uh, let's see aos coach. What's up coach? With a question. How do you document schemes and mixes for projects you expand later? That's a good question Marty, do you write anything down? Yes, you and I have talked about this many times. I was I've been waiting for the video on to recipe or not to recipe Yeah, well, you know what my answer is Yes, yes, and I am the opposite end of it. Um, I document everything. I've actually been finishing up Um on my lunch hours this past week My recipes for the whole space marine stuff every texture I might run into Um, and then I'm gonna document a paint list get new stuff. So it's about right now Five pages broken down by texture Um Like green armor red cloth Uh, like white like a chapter symbols Um metallic gold metallic silver bronze everything like that Because I paint to a very high level on a lot of figures I want them to look consistent as if they're part of like a living world which requires me to Uh, make sure that all of them have their their textures painted in a consistent way I don't keep a wet palette. Uh, I have a disposable one using an disposable one Right now, uh, I am just a lazy person who does not really like to keep stuff like that Uh, I recommend people actually have permanent wet palettes because they seem to be very helpful tools And just as a result of that I keep large lists and I make them very detailed They're easy to follow I can come back to the army like a year and a half later and then keep going the same way Uh, that I was when I was originally painting them because I have the lists and the mixtures and stuff like that there So yes, I do Is there a particular wet palette you guys recommend or the exemplar wet palette from game envy 100% there you go Okay, I'm using a plate. I got a shop, right? Uh, some wax paper and a paper towel also perfectly fine, by the way Other wrong with that Like the exemplar palette is the way to go. It's the thing you see in every video I actually just switched to the newer newer model my wet palettes all clean now and stuff It's so pretty it's purple my favorite color Thank you, kid. And also kid is an awesome guy who runs that company like this is not a sponsor thing I don't Deal with them. It's just I genuinely like they're not a sponsor Just genuinely like their product and would highly recommend it and they're all good people so Thumbs up and I just want to add like I don't think I'm gimping myself Like I'm perfectly capable of painting models to an award-winning standard with a disposable wet palette. I just Just that's what I do Yeah, my answer on this one is very simple It is I don't Beyond this If I have a set of paints that I'm using for an army Uh, I will put them I have a small little paint rack on my desk That I keep all the current paints that I'm using Uh for a project in and then I take my phone and I take a picture Of all of those paints like I just literally go slick and take a picture of all those paints And then I open that photo and I write ork paints Or something like that on them and then I save it in a folder called recipes And it's not really a recipe because it's not how I how I used them or in what mix or anything like that because What is it? I've got a pocket full of g's and a wallet full of keys. It doesn't matter It doesn't matter Uh because it doesn't matter minor variance doesn't matter. You will always have minor variance And uh, it's irrelevant. It is completely irrelevant. No one cares in the world No one's looking at your army. No one is judging your army No one literally no one only you Can stop forest fires or whatever, but like, uh, my army I vary them all the time Because it's interesting to to create some minor variance Uh, because you know, that's the world the world has minor variance in it So yeah, I mean like I I I know the universe of paints I use and then beyond that I just go by feel Somebody said uh, who William William Mitchell? Yes, exactly. I'm not a baker. I'm a I'm a chef Right, like I'm not I'm not over here doing science. Like this isn't This isn't a chemical reaction. Okay. I'm cooking like it's a little bit of this My my grandma never made her her ragu exactly the same every sunday. It was always amazing Okay, because she knew the right things to start with and then she seasoned to taste as she went right So there you go. That's thinking of my chefs and cooking second season of the bear is out if anybody hasn't seen that yet Oh, it's fantastic. Yeah season one was incredible and it continues. So love that show just finished it the other day Yeah, I've got uh, I got to check that out. I've heard lots of good things. I saw season two. I was like, all right I like that kind of stuff. All right Yeah, I I actually see um, this is just a quick final thing I see the color schemes and just like the thought I put into them as an extension of the storytelling that I put into my models And so I think that's probably why I like them being meticulous And also some of the I want to be clear on my stance Okay, because Mike Cathgard said recipes are very helpful for us colorblind painters, which is also completely fair Like I don't want to be ableist about it. Like if it's something that you find value in do it You can't hobby wrong as I've said all the time. So like if you find value in that thing Then you should do it You should create those recipe books. Okay. I don't I am giving you the freedom If you are a person who doesn't find value in it to not do it. That's what I'm saying right Like it is not a quintessential part of the hobby It is an optional part if you draw value from it. That's what it is Hopefully that makes sense Yeah All right Uh brick frog a question any good alternatives to citadel typhus corrosion I love using the stuff with the tiny fine grit material perfect for dry brushing on top of it Marty, what would you recommend as an alternative to typhus corrosion? Because I've got a simple answer But I want to know what your thought is um, there's usually a problem. I'm biased because um I'm on the mfca committee with miniature figure collectors of america and the sponsor store Is the largest distributor of the lejo and ak products in the entirety of north america So if you are looking for a typhus corrosion product, uh, the lejo or ak make a version of it Um, it will not be in a tiny paint pot though. It'll be like in a half a soda can size thing. So Uh, but you'll get a lot of value out of it. So while I can't think of a product I know one exists because they make more for every lejo Ammo by mig and all those kinds of people do make um, yeah Do you make similar ish products with that? And that being said, there's an easy answer Take a brown paint oversaturate it with just some random brown pigment ta-da That's it. That works. You can just add more pigment to your paints if you want them to be gritty Uh, so gritty Philadelphia will be over here being jealous of how gritty Uh, that gritty is so yeah, you can just you can just oversaturate it with pigment okay Uh, let's see what would be the most important skill to work on for the transition from game models to display bus or display painting in general Uh detail it's larger scale. So you need to work more detail like just in your endurance muscle Being able to push push push push push push push push push push push push push push push no farther than that Like if when you make the transition to doing display work, you should paint twice as long as you think you're supposed to And have twice as much detail and contrast and texture and then you'll be halfway to where you actually should be Yeah, sounds right. Yeah Okay Uh, let's see I've got one. Yeah go for it, man I'm ready. So going back to the for the election to wanting to get a holistic understanding of a field of a space and how that's not reasonable Uh, that's not a good use of my time. I would like to Make time to become better educated about some things in this space, right? So You have What 10,000 hours but how many hours of videos like you have an absurd number of videos just yourself The youtube is this cornucopia of videos and Websites it's overwhelming, right? So Maybe it's a loaded question But like if you're in my position and you're trying to figure out what are the next steps But you don't have an enormous amount of time to sit down and watch youtube videos all the time Obviously painting is a good a good time to to watch some youtube videos for for some people What would you recommend as Like next steps and trying to get educated other than watch your videos But but even even with your videos, there's got to be like certain There's got to be certain ones that You know, I still feel like I don't know hardly anything In terms of of what the hell i'm doing here in this space and I don't have a ton of time So but but I want to become yeah, but that's at least how I tend to Learn things, right? It's just is by observing and anyway. I'm rambling, but yeah, you're not. Okay. I've got an answer for you. Okay Yeah All right Here's my answer Um, it doesn't tell me by the way how many how much total time is in the hobby cheating playlist? Sadly, I was I had clicked over to it to see like if it would show me how much time But it doesn't it doesn't actually show you how much time is in there. So I mean Unfortunate early you you've hit your mouth. I'm glad well long long ago But yeah, whether you whether you've done that in the actual videos. Yeah, okay. I'm gonna tell you a story. Tyler. Are you ready? Yeah All right, when I was a young man, I wanted to learn how to how to uh, how to sword fight. Okay And so I I uh had somebody who was my my coach who Taught me like I was learning kendo and fencing. Okay. Mm-hmm And this was like full contact training. Okay Uh now we were using like not obviously metal weapons and stuff like that, right? But it's it's still full contact like you get hit. You're gonna get hit. It's gonna hurt. That's the point. Mm-hmm And There's a lot to learn when you're trying to learn how to wield a weapon. Okay. Yeah a lot. There's a lot to that skill and Uh as we were training I kept getting whacked in the head Okay Because he was like you don't block high very well. Like you don't you're not you're not reacting You're you're letting your wrist drop and you're not uh very effective at blocking high So to teach me that he kept attacking High and then my wrist would uh, would would you know was weak basically and I wouldn't block in time Or I wouldn't hold the sword at the right angle and he was able to power through the the block and then Bought me on the head which hurts. Yeah I mean again, I'm not gonna like crack your skull, but it's unpleasant to get whacked in the head with a practice sword, right? So sure Uh after about four times in one session of getting whacked in the head the fifth time I I successfully blocked and After that, I didn't have the same problem like we kept drilling it that night and eventually I no longer had that issue All right And I tell that story to say that like when you screw something up if it actually causes you pain You will learn faster and pain in our hobby is represented by looking at your model and not being happy with the result Right, that's getting wrapped in the head Yeah, and the response to that Is to do what I did that night which was deliberate practice Right now. This was just one particular motion of one particular block of one particular, you know larger Skill set right but but the same is true for miniature painting There is no one next thing you can learn Yeah, certain skills are evergreen and always present so things like brush control and blending And stuff like that and paint mixing, you know But those will just come up as you're as you're working on other things So my advice is always pick A thing I don't know what interests you like we looked at that storm cast right and you you asked about both painting faces and doing the cloth Right, okay. Cool. If that's a kind of if that's in your vision Then let's pick one of those two things and do some deliberate practice get some models with some cloth on them Or some exposed faces or both Paint it to your best ability get some feedback figure out where you went wrong Touch it up. Do it again fail Do it again get wrapped in the head again And do it again, right And you will you will get it, but that's the key It doesn't matter which one's the next one pick because by by picking any of those things you're interested in I want to learn to do better cloaks. I want to learn to do better faces. I want to learn to do better Armor right or cooler looking weapons or learn how to paint fire I don't care pick the thing you're interested in By doing those you'll actually be learning the real techniques That makes sense. Yeah, there's the most I mean the last note that's when you get back to the other questions But that like so much at least in my career in my life I've been oriented around like the work that I do coordination everything like all Let's put it in the context of aos, right? Like if I wanted to help somebody get better at warhammer I think there's a fair amount get better at aos right now There's a fair amount that they could learn Now there's a question of learning it in practice and actually putting into practice right on the table So ultimately you have to be able to do that, but like you can listen to some of our shows you can go listen to darin and oan With what and alex with what they're doing with miscast like there's there's a lot of good resources that are out there That I think can really help give people Tactics and strategy and list building and then they can they're better capable of then Like they've got some fundamentals to help them apply that in their in their games, right? So i'm like wondering well, what what are what's some of the equivalent of that within this space Yeah, and the fundamentally help me speed up or that like brush control mixing paints controlling your paint thinness stuff like that, right? But those are just things you You naturally work on As you're drying as you're driving toward a particular outcome of something else right in working on better better Replicating that blue you're going to work on color mixing you're going to work on proper paint thinning stuff like that, right? Then you'll do it again and again and again to paint a face You've got to you've got to get better at brush control You've got to get better at mixing the paint to the consistency you want stuff like that, right? it's it's like You will those become part and parcel of the practice you're doing to towards your other goals that makes sense Okay. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, interesting Okay, I want to I want to knock out a couple quick questions here hud and said hey y'all Vince You should be getting some stickers in the mail in about two weeks. I'm cool. I'm excited I'm looking to get into a west but i'm looking at cities for my first army any advice on how to approach this Yes, wait like two months or whatever until the city's a sigmar book comes out Hopefully you're still watching hud and then buy those new models and go like it'll be a new city's book and a whole theoretically new army probably so That Dr. Rocket, how do you make colored painted armor feel like metal without using metal? Yeah, it's you do colored non-metallic metal That's the short answer. So look at my storm cast Uh, I don't know where there's a storm cast in this photo. He'll come up eventually one of my rack cast but um right now we're looking at some of marty's storm cast some of his older storm cast um And uh, but but that's I have some videos on the channel on colored non-metallic metal So you can go check those out But that's really the answer. Um, you're you have to combine the principles of non-metallic metal with a color. It's a fairly high level Painting technique. Um, so it's tough Okay, let's see. Let's scroll down here. All right Uh Okay, yep deliberate practice. There you go. Okay uh Keith roger said have someone whack me on the head with a practice sword when I make a painting mistake got it Yep, perfect. That's exactly what I'm saying. You nailed it Uh And uh, the dais cast it seems like a sparring partner is the best way to learn to paint then. Yes No, actually, that's it was probably I don't know if you meant that in jest, but it a hundred percent is Correct. Yeah, like, um the Like having someone you're regularly working with getting feedback from like when you work out and try to get better having a Uh partner who's there spotting you is really important And it's the same for almost any sort of sport that you're trying to improve having a coach having a Uh spot or having a somebody like that and it's true for painting too Like having somebody who can be there to give you honest outside third party critique is absolutely critically important Marty, I mean that's a huge part of your journey, right? Yeah, shout out to erin lovejoy friend of the show There you go. Absolutely. Um, great. Hey, uh, uh I took a class with him once at lvo in 2017 became fast friends with him and the whole miniature monthly crew I'm possibly one of the only people who owns all of their teespring shirts and I wear them to events regularly Uh, they're they're a cool crew. They have stuff on patreon. Like there's there's a lot of Um, the the the advent and like the proliferation of artists trying to grow their their own revenue streams and communities via patreon Um, like it's often as easy as finding a painter like a professional painter that you like on instagram clicking on their bio And then joining their discord like they because they usually have one like if they have a patreon because patreon and discord like Have a partnership or whatever You generally don't have to pay them a lot of money Like usually if you pay them a dollar a month you get access to their discord That's usually how it works with most of these people and it's as simple as Finding a new community related to that specific artist And that artist is usually in like the community like just hanging out posting pictures of their work Maybe putting up pdf tutorials or whatever, but like I do that with craft world studio I don't usually paint like craft world But it's always nice to like be around painters who like their style And learn from them as much as from craft world period Aaron love joy miniature monthly tj march TJ marsh is another one if you look up journeyman miniatures for that's a little bit more of the very very very very high end You see if you look at some of his stuff Um, especially since he paints like tremendous models like the carowordic dragons like like this Obviously, I don't know how he does that. Yeah. Um But like another one i'm gonna come back to was gubertown hobbies Uh gubertown hobbies is a community where he doesn't paint professionally. He's not trying to But his style is certainly clean enough and easy to emulate and find inspiration from because he puts a lot of heart into his miniatures and he is a thriving community of people of various skill levels and from Just the exposure to a lot of people either of your skill level or Maybe below you or or just looking for different things out of the hobby than you That can be a good jumping off point to finding Like new tricks and new philosophies about how to approach the hobby. It is an art. It is not a science I think tyler you're looking for the scientific way to yet to to like improve And I don't think yeah, and I don't know if it's efficient Yeah, yeah Sort of like the machinist guide to to improving at miniature painting. And yes, there are there are there are there are When I judge armies at painting competitions I use a system that vince Hand that handed off to me from how he judges the top end armies at nova And I believe the categories off the top of my head are um Like just painting ability technical which is um, like this the second tier which is Your nuts and bolts like that they file off all the mold lines if they clean everything up did they use color theory correctly? Um, there is a book uh color and light by james gurney. Yeah, which is the guy who did dynaetopia Um, you can either you can get it on amazon for like two dollars five dollars or whatever You probably find a pdf for cheaper Um, and it's just about trying to understand how we perceive color And how it is a very scientific breakdown of it. Like I cannot recommend color enough. Yeah. Yeah, there we go and it's Uh, there there is no silver bullet on how do we take our stuff from? Um, like there is a squid mar video Like squid mar has a good a few good videos when I people are like looking to like go from like zero to baseline And he has um in the thumbnail It's kind of like like a An eight-year-old's version of a painted space marine next to one of his sort of like, you know, quite volumetrically technically excellent sort of stuff Um, and in the stuff in there will generally be about color theory thinning your paints Um brush control stuff like that. I haven't watched the video in and quite a while But but yeah, just I I understand this is a little bit of an open question But it's like try and find people In various communities which are on a similar journey to you And they will be able to like bounce ideas off of you as much as you will bounce ideas off of them But how to proceed By the way, hud said the answer is six days 20 hours 30 minutes 36 seconds is the total length of the hobby cheating playlist So there you go. Not bad Good We're almost at a full week. You could turn that on and just watch for a whole week I am Three and a half hour shy of a whole week. We'll get there. We'll get there Uh, all right Uh, okay. Good. Uh, let's see Other questions people got Um I think we're we're we're catching up here very good. Yeah Marty, I want you to talk about your your luminous army here for a moment While we're all right, you really want me to ramble to roll in. Well, yeah, you really want me to ramble No, what I want to be specific about it. Okay, so I'm not here. I'm not just inviting like certainly you could talk Yeah, yeah, yeah, but there's a specific question I have for you You set about with a goal with this army, right? This army came on the back of your previous projects Which were both, you know, I think for you Like both level ups But this was really an attempt to bust through a plateau in your painting. Yes, right? Yeah, okay How did you think about? This army like how did you go about it trying to do knowing that you were going to do the best you could do on everything in this army what How did you set about planning it? um, uh, well, uh This came at the beginning of lockdown Which did help and the original mentality I had was I don't know when the event The next event that I'm going to take this to be will be However, the very first event that I go to After we're able to do events again is what this is for So it could be a year from now. It could be three months from now So I always kept a rolling deadline where I didn't want to slow down. I wanted to have an idea of um, a playable force from the get-go, so I didn't really let myself get too lazy while we were all stuck inside um, I had a very strong, uh, sense of narrative and art history And so I went about and there was a long tweet thread if you go all the way back to 2021 Where I broke down all of the inspirations and I took the idea earlier in the show We talked about test models and I took that to an extent where I would just take individual scrap pieces and say I want to test out different skin tones. What will these skin tones look like? I want to test out the different armor colors What will different armor colors look like and I went from like brass to gold Um, and eventually I got to the red which I ended up with here No in no small part Thanks to you because I did see your crimson cabal and I was like I want that I don't care how complex it is And I know you do want to revisit it because we um, you painted a sword master of mine, which I have up here uh from the the rant cast award And you sit and I asked you specifically. All right. You've now painted a model exactly in my color scheme Uh, how would you how did you do it? You basically said well, I'm going to redo the red at some point because there's no reason for it to be that lengthy Um, so I started with once I figured out all of the test colors It's like I got the base into where I want. I got the red to where I want. I got the skin to where I want Um, I found an old metal high elf hero And I did the color scheme everything came together and I got feedback on that it's like this is pretend This is a unit champion. It's just a high elf prince It has all of the all of the textures which are going to be a 90% of soldiers are on this model And here it is on the base. How does this look? And I got some feedback tweaked here and there but it it was just something I really I put a lot of thought into it and I didn't get a lot of feedback because it's like this looks great Keep going. Um, I think that's a uh thing of feedback that you give a lot yourself and I try and do that as well If you see someone has like an all-around well painted army And they're asking it's like, oh, how do I keep going from here? It's like, well, just I like what I see keep going make your dark So a little darker make your lights a little lighter. Maybe clean up some blends But like there's nothing inherently incorrect or or poorly done. Yeah, just keep pushing. It's just keep pushing Yes, and that's why I always talk about that endurance muscle a lot of painting to a high level Is just building up your endurance muscle and your willingness to keep painting what you're working on to go back and forth Back and forth back and forth back and forth And and over and over again like it like there are parts of that display model. I'm working on that. I've painted like 10 times back and forth. I'll paint it 10 more before I'm done Yeah, um, so like once I got to a level where I was doing the test models and everything The kit started to come out unfortunately very slowly due to like the beginning of the pandemic Just screwing with shipping and stuff It's like, well, I'm gonna paint what's in the launch box and then all right I have to wait two months until the rest of the army comes out And then games workshop said oh lumen ether like our quasi poster boy faction. Here's three more releases um Which is like that's cool for me, but Um, it just gave me more to work with I can't wait until there's like I I know it's not soon, but there is going to be a luminous sequel And I'm going to try my best to push myself even further while keeping the troops relatively consistent, but we'll see I I I won't mentally speculate on what that will look like until it's on the horizon Uh, but once I got to a point I was comfortable with putting that level of effort into all of the troops and yes, it's annoying Um, especially since all of the trim on luminous If it's not the same color as as the the armor you're going to be there for a while Um, and I just tried to maximize like I took a feedback from you. I took feedback from erin lovejoy It took feedback from kaleb wissenbeck and a bunch of other painters And just like trying to make sure every inch of the model is where is is putting in triple overtime Are the shadows more can I make the shadows a little bit more saturated? Can I add a little bit of weathering? Um, and I'm also looking for ways to cheat. I'm not painting all of the dirt Onto each spearman skirt like with like a fine detail brush I'm trying to do what I can To showcase that I'm putting in the extra mile and then some without like These aren't golden demon models. Maybe one of them could be I could paint a golden demon model with this color scheme But that was just a matter of trying to pace myself With that knowing that I wanted this to be the that same level of effort. Yeah now Like making sure all of the characters were fully scratch built All of the crap I did to techless like making my own version of him Everything I did on avalanor people always asked me what I did with avalanor And I told them it's like this one broke me. I'm never painting another cow mountain. You can't make me. I won't do it. Um But just because you said you go for an extremely complex breakdown of it But no, I mean you you answered what I was looking for right, which is you you You thought about it. You did, you know, you planned you tested some different things You drew on different pieces of inspiration both other miniatures art You know all that kind of stuff then you put together a test model And then you replicated it a few times and you those were all cycles of feedback Right, and that you were working with other people the whole time So you were never you weren't you weren't like out there alone over over your skis Right. Yeah, and I think that's really helpful. That's what I'm talking about with like that spotter or whatever By the way, this is a one of the rat cast that I was talking about here. I I knew he was in the site This is obviously one of my one of my dragon riders here, but this that's a good example of like colored non-metallic metal um Okay uh two plus tough The amount of time you put into these bigger centerpieces makes me wonder Do you focus on a single mini or jump around projects? I find that I get antsy if a project seems to drag on too much Yeah, I mean that's like I said, so I kind of mentioned this earlier, but it's worth it's worth sort of diving into their dug Which is like I think you have to at the beginning of a project look and say how much time am I going to spend per mini How many minis do I have do I have it in me? right Like and and if the answer is no, that's perfectly okay. It's a fair answer. You don't have to go any farther than you'd want But I think it's worth it for the centerpieces And then just like I said cheap skate on the troops. It's fine It's all good. But like when you come to when you get something really Uh, really cool You know some like when you get your bastion carthalos like I my or ratchian Carthalos in my case who I think is also in this slide just somewhere um You know take the time on those guys because you're gonna miss them when they're gone You only get one chance to paint that special character, right? So so put in the time like enjoy it drink it in You know, let just soak it until your fingers get pruney as it were Yeah, if if I just may add, um, I really love elves and so I didn't mind No Hold on. This is new information Let me let me let me mind making sure that those Making sure that those spearmen Were all Basically at a character level of detail Because like and there was like a question earlier where it's like how do you tell a story with an army if everything's like a 32 millimeter model And it's like well when they're all painted to the same high standard And they all have like these added elements of extra detail on top of you painting to a consistent standard It it becomes its own story the army is the campus and you're showing that army to someone at an event at a convention We're just online. Yeah, yeah, I agree agree completely two plus tubs. I appreciate the answer I'll try that on my glutos that's headed my way good show. Hey, absolutely brother. Hope you're doing well Good to see you making some content again been watching two plus tough if you're not subbed out there You should be dug is truly one of the greatest human beings among us Uh, but uh, yeah, I mean Oh, absolutely Glutos is exactly the example I would use for that. What a what a wonderful model to just go nuts with right? He's got so much going on. You can have a great time painting him That's a model you spend the time on spend a couple weeks on glutos It's okay do that and then when it comes to like some dumb bliss bar bar chers or daemonettes We phone it in That's when we phone it in because when they're all grouped together in a big unit. They're gonna look cool Right And if they're bliss bar bar chers, they're gonna look dumb anyways, and they'll just die fast So who cares don't put too much effort in it, but glutos he's gonna sit there for all five turns. He's not dying That guy's got like vampire healing for for no reason. So, you know That type of healing that probably shouldn't exist outside. If it was just glutos, I'd be fine But no, we decided to get to every stupid vampire Uh Not bitter. Okay, cool Hey, some iron jaws piggy piggy um All right tyler Um, you've got your storm cast Concept. Yeah, he said you're trying to put together a list Right. Yeah a thing And you know, we touched on this already, but somebody else had asked the question earlier as well Like hey, I take a while to paint Right. So what if the meta changes and I think you said something So I wanted you to talk about how How you sort of think about lists and then how that influences what you want to paint because I think you have the healthy attitude to it when you say you're trying to go for your list as we mentioned earlier It's not like you're trying to build some meta cracked thing No, because you know that's going to change you got a different goal in mind. So what's your goal? Yeah, it's similar to a friend of mine Cody Bailey. I thought I always did a nice job with this where he approached armies without thinking about A particular window in time and I mean he's also he's he tries to build a collection of soul blight A collection of z inch and then he can Plug in right as things become more attractive or less attractive He so yeah, I think that's just generally the healthiest approach if you are are a player who's willing to Figure out how to do as best you can with a list That isn't running The obviously strong elements then you're going to be less impacted right by points changes If anything, you'll you'll get helped out by points changes So that's that's generally where I like to try to operate not not always but that's that's the aspiration And yeah, it just it makes like this whole idea of oh crap my I just painted this army and it got nerfed You're you're just less susceptible to that happening to you 100 percent You know, this is another reason why I like smaller armies. I've got my iron jaws up here on the screen right now I got my piggy boys You know, that was an army where I felt like I could get my head around it really easy, you know I've got some art boys. I've got Some brutes. I've got some pigs. I've got some mega bosses and war chantas and Big a mega boss on mall crush. I when I got all that done. I was like, yeah, okay, cool Like whatever. I'm good to go. You know, I got a dozen pig boys I got like 10 brutes You know 20 art boys two mega bosses on foot I have three mega bosses on foot now because I actually just really like painting them You know three war chantas One stupid caster because whatever. I never play him, but he exists And you know the mega boss on wall crush and I was like, I'm good No matter how the list sort of move around I can you know more pigs less pigs So on and so forth, right? It's it's when you're dealing with those smaller forces Same thing kind of with fec. It's like, you know, you do a bunch of ghouls Some cryptors crypt players, you know a couple big of a couple big monsters and you're good to go Right like so stuff what I did with yeah It's what I did with the slays to darkness like I uh I didn't I didn't like I could have since I made the entire army from scratch I could have made an army of like 60 splinter fang But no, I was like let's do chaos knights 10 chosen six faranguards and dinky characters And like an endless spell let's go and I was able to do that in 80 days Now I have a hyper aggro slays to darkness army for whatever Yeah, I mean like it's it's I think to me That's that's in the exact opposite Situation what a great way to deal with it, right? So like iron jaws is like seven Units or whatever right barring our big pig. Where is big pig? but anyways, um You know like the but the point is like S2d that army is huge huge. Yeah, ridiculous Right, but you mentioned that like well the way I went was by painting the core of the army Warriors knights faranguard chosen like the things that are the the obvious Core of the army like center mass Right, you aimed center mass and in general with that kind of thing It's usually a good strategy because that kind of stuff will always be able to be used in list to some degree or another right, right Yeah, we don't know if splinter fang are going to change Even though currently they are the strongest thing and I went for something a little bit more evergreen, right, right exactly Uh, and I think that's a good way to navigate those like tons of scrolls things Now that probably doesn't apply to storm cast because who even knows what center mass is for them Storm cast are just a problem, but but like So that you need to figure out like a more specific area like what am I going for? Am I doing sacrosanct or or thunderstrike stuff or whatever? That's as in I was going to say but we talked about on the show before right? But like one of the critiques of the storm cast battle tome in our battle tome review show We did a while back was They don't have enough incentives to run a sacrosanct chamber list. It's 2000 points of sacrosanct, right? Here's through the through the 2000 points of thunder strike Like there are so many there are a number of layers. I mean this is going back to the the highlander format All these things right like I still feel if I were running the studio I would figure out how to fix this gap That I still feel that we have systematically in this game where The gap between the armies that you see that are sufficiently viable competitively and The armies that would look awesome because they have great variety. They reflect a model range, right? Like I yesterday I played slant star master a skink star seer a scar bet on agrid on 20 warrior 20 star wars 10 star wars warriors two units of skinks three agrid on three war spawned I could have thrown in a spawn of show tech, right? But like that's that that's the kind of list you want to be Meaningfully competitive in the game. I'm not sure it is right now. I mean we'll we'll see right but anyway, that's That's that's my usual rant about I just that frustrates me almost more than anything else And that this gap and the unaddressed issue that we have right now in this game We've had it for a long time. Does that make sense? It totally does and and I really really really think it's just a function of the reality that um You know that that like That books with giant we still haven't figured out what to do with uh books with um Uh with giant numbers of of of warscrolls sure, okay, because you you just don't see the same problem in Uh in books where the warscrolls are more limited really or at least not as much Right like in general broadly construed the internal balance. It's just a completely different picture. So Um, by the way re-referencing centerpieces and and going far. This is a demon prince, obviously You know like this is a dude that I spent more time on right because he's a really fun guy And I wanted him to be something special and so he has this whole lighting scheme and all of that right like This is the type of model that you you like plow some effort into because it's just a lot more fun Like and that's my next plateau that I got a that I that I'm trying to go after but that's a discussion for another time Because this is this is an excellent model Not only is it well photographed But like you can clearly see all of the effort that you put into it was like the the the glow from below It's it's cetera like that. It's it's excellent Yeah, I was happy with how this guy came out. Uh funny part is I don't own this guy anymore. How about that? I ended up I actually ended up painting this for a friend on the end and gave it away Where's uh, where's that from that model? It is a 3d print from archvillain games, I believe Okay, yeah, that's sweet. I don't remember seeing that dude. That's amazing. Yeah He was fun. I said, I don't I don't I don't know him anymore I just I a friend did a very nice favor for me and I was like, well here you can you can have this so there you go. Yeah Okay Speaking of different light and and even even small characters can still get that attention This is uh, what kato or whatever his name is It's it's it's it's a czar I don't know kato is zkr now that you got it. I feel like I was in the I was close Yeah, I haven't even read the book. I'm just sure You know, I mean to me Uh, this is the kind of stuff that like I I think about doing a whole army in this kind of a cast glow And I think that could be really fun on something like sold light But I don't know how well it actually sells across an army I think these kind of lighting effects in general are are one they're hard to execute and two They don't feel like they'd actually work across a whole army Because why is everybody standing right near a fire? Right, so I think this is it's a good example of where like a thing might look cool on one model But it's not going to look cool over your whole army Right if you had 80 zombies and they all have like just forward right lights Like what is each one of them carrying around their own little personal campfire? That they set up right in front of them right So, uh, yeah, so there you go Uh Terrier halo said something here that I think is really important Terrier halo said was driving so late But if you're a pleb like me think before getting feedback usually the suggestions are 72 steps in the future Oh, you managed to prime a model will time to learn non-metallic metal nothing chafes my My bottom more than than that kind of like uh Advice that's like way above where the painter is clearly punching I consider it like my absolute mission in in my Patreon for my people who do with the review and feedback tier where I'm like giving them coaching them on individual models To make sure I'm tailoring The feedback I'm giving To wherever they happen to be on their journey a good coach someone who's actually like Who knows how to give feedback will be Tailoring the feedback to what to where you're at Right And I think that's really really really important Um, because everybody's different and you shouldn't feel like all of a sudden you have to do non-metallic metal That's all nonsense right like no you don't Like you should you should be focused on working on whatever your next thing is Right and and that's gonna be very different for anybody If if I if I just may I did that I always tell people this to seek informed feedback Now this is a this this is a little contradictory because uh based on like tyler's question It's like where do I go next? Maybe a book like color and light like by james gurney helps you get the the Uh the vocabulary because one of the hardest questions to answer Is when I get feedback or when I'm when people are looking for feedback from me They hand me a model and it's like what do you think? and I'm like, uh Where do I start because if I don't know where to start with where someone's at It becomes like an infinite regression loop And so it's always helpful if you go to like a convention or something to seek feedback from Um a more experienced painter maybe come with a little bit more articulated questions I'm having trouble with smooth blends. I'm having trouble With uh, maybe murky color schemes and too much of the stuff is one color Like uh people were asking me at like the games workshop event because I was not on the 40k Like I was not in the 40k event So like 40k painters were like either asking for input or or or or something like that and it's like well And and one of the first things is like well, I I ask it's like first of all show me your best model Show show me your favorite one because if the effort that you can put on this guy can be Replicated across everything else if you put the time in Um and and stuff like that. So I I always try and work back and forth with It's a hobbyist and it always helps if they at least have some baseline terminology rather than just aimless I need I would like help please Yeah, I want to use this model I put this in here because I wanted to use this girl to talk about an example So this is um from creature caster. So I wanted two things I want to say about this model The first thing is I didn't fully assemble the model She's missing claws like normally this model has even more crap on it. I didn't put it in I didn't care like I didn't need it. She didn't need it model doesn't need it So always feel free to leave stuff off your models like you don't need to put every Belt and doodad and bojangle on your model. That's number one number two is this model is is overwrought from a sculpt perspective Like there's too much going on like it's too much texture and stuff like that So I had a very simple uh suggestion here like when you look at this if you think this is painted well I have tricked you. I have fooled you. Okay Because the skin is painted pretty well. I focused I mentioned earlier like focus in on the stuff that matters I took a lot of effort on the skin her skin has like a lot of color variation and tone to it It looks even sort of better in reality. It was hard to actually photograph this and Uh And it's so eye catching and bright that like that's what you look at you look at their skin All of that like spider webby garbage texture that they built into the model I cannot explain how foamed in that is that's just layers of dry brushing homie. That's all it is And no one would ever notice because who cares? Uh, if you've ever watched, um Catch me if you can You know, yeah the whole thing of like, uh About I made they're looking too busy looking at the pinstripes Right when he like walks past all the cops because he he has all the uh flight attendants with him or whatever Same trick, right? It's the same trick Uh, whereas with these girls so like this is my some of my uh doc Uh, so my daughters of of cane. These are some witch elves that I've got Um like again if you go if you get up close these girls are these blends smooth nah that's not but uh Doesn't matter because the the value is there the contrast is there the the the composition the color is there So it looks eye catching even though if you hold them up close, you're like, oh, that's not as smooth as it could be Well, yeah, of course like sacrifice smoothness for impact every time every time every time Models that have the right color palettes and tone and variants and that kind of thing Will always be a perfectly blended but boring miniature In anything except golden demon I'm from scott sprawl has talked to me a lot about this like the idea. Yeah I guess the word would be contrast like colors basic color contrast that Yeah, you Where it just it really catches your eye stands out even if it's not technically executed at a high level Or what experience painters would consider a high level. It just it looks amazing to the untrained or the average eye and yeah He's he's always emphasized that a lot of his painting 100% I agree with that completely like That is excellent advice because that kind of like having proper contrast having good, you know Color composition like bright colors that catch the eye and stuff like that where where you can right we're having the color Even if you have minimal stuff It's mostly white or it's mostly brown by having your bright colors be in balance around the miniature So in a triangle or a square or a circle around the miniature where it's evenly distributed Those kinds of things that make it pleasing to the eye are just like 10 times more valuable than a super smooth blend Okay, yeah Every time make your army look cooler from a distance. We tend to view models from a distance This is why like beast of an armies are always rough when they're just like I see people paint I'm just like brown on browns. I'm like, oh Okay And they don't have to be like that you can do all sorts of bright colors on their wild They can be they can be whatever man, you know, it's chaos right go nuts Like so so make those choices uh, yeah All right Uh, marty, I've got a question for you. Are you ready? I'm gonna I'm gonna pass ag's question over to you Do you have any tips for black space marine armor? Yeah um the key to any black I'm gonna be quoting like or paraphrasing a lot of your videos, but it's I know a universal idea the trick to black textures Is where you start using paint that isn't black um, we tend to think of like the classic q-spectrum like um are I can't tell where are both of my hands on screen. Um, say here is black here is white We tend to think about a very smooth gradient where it's like a perfectly Like if you open a photoshop or something and the the gradient is like it just this gradual One step per frame all the way here that creates one even perfectly Gray And it reads as gray because we're we're half black and half white that transitions even What you really want to think about Is pushing it the more Like the the more surface needs to actually be black You want to you want to push the when you start transitioning to white or whatever is is your your final highlight color We want to shorten that transition as much as we can so that the eye can read it as black now I Go into this in more detail. Actually, I'm I I did the class at the kill team open this year And I'm I'm talking with the the wicked dicey guys to try and do it in everwinter Basically how to paint black and white without using black or white Uh, so the trick is to not actually use black paint, but the general principle is to try and Like a lot of people go too bright too quickly when they're painting, um, Like specular highlights on their models Um, and this is true of like a lot of colors and I think it's just when we're working with such small scale figures 32 28 sort of thing Um, it pays dividends to try and hold off Um using brighter colors to create those gradients. Does that make sense? It does. I'll I'll say this though. I actually want to take it back a step So my answer would be this first decide whether or not you want to paint. Let the paint do the work for you or Or whether you want to do the work. So here's what I mean by that With these towel they have black armor. This little this little towel boy. I'm working on. He's black Yeah, okay Do you know how much I blended or did any kind of Color gradient across the the figure that would be zero percent my dog That whole thing is just done in abaddon black flat Called it a day okay Because it's a satin color and they're flat plates. So I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna let the satin do the work for me Done in dust. Yeah, then I edge highlighted it. So they have very intense edge highlights all over the thing So that's question. That's step one You know like one way you can paint the black is just be like no I'll just paint it all satin black. Let the satin do the work for me And then I'll just do edge highlights like crazy Right, that's an option Option two is I can try to create these the volumetric highlighting because black isn't really black in reality Right, it's gray and it has all sorts of other colors in it And the simple rule to follow there if you're gonna do that is at least 50 of the surface needs to be black or or some approximation of it Whatever the eye is gonna read is black could be chromatic black could be anything The other 40 ish percent 40 plus percent like 50 a little more than 50 percent needs to be black So the other 40 ish percent could be whatever greys and whites use colors in there blues Sure greens. It doesn't matter. It'll read is black Because your eye will just force it to happen If you ever looked at a shiny black car almost none of that shiny black car is actually black But your eye still treats it like such Right So just decide which way you want to go That's what I'll say All right, let's start writing this up Got a couple more pictures to go through Big giant guy. It's my uh, it's my king brod there Uh He's got his little crown and his horns fun conversion project I think conversions are a fun way to To motivate yourself to paint as well. We didn't talk about that as much Marty you used it extensively. Manzac miniatures asked a question earlier He said, you know, how do I get myself? I love converting and sculpting and all of that but I uh painting He sculpted for me And he said how do I Transition into painting. Well, Manzac my answer's gonna be much the same as it was earlier for people who asked how they get started Which is just do it There is no other secret my dog It is, you know, give it a shot Paint something pick one of your things and start painting it. You've got a lot of things There'll always be more things It doesn't matter if you mess this one up Uh him and I have been messaging privately since we were we were talking about because I am uh a terminator chaplain He helped uh, uh, like he sculpted a lot of the detail on there formerly changed a lot of it around And he was like working on this this gorgeous araby army And I and like also like gene stellar cults or something like that And it's like yeah, it is that I I cannot emphasize that that advice enough because I've tried to say that to him personally It's like it's it's one of those things where if you don't take the first step, then you never will Yep, exactly. Like how do you how do you how do you walk a very long distance? I don't know take one step repeat Right, that's that's it. It's nothing more complicated than that Okay, maybe bring maybe bring some water I guess all right Well, I guess don't walk outside right now if you're if you're in the midwest where I am because it's just like uh haze Outside we've got that we've got that that that fun haze going on right now Later under sky. Yeah, exactly. Exactly uh Little scaven boy with my uh With my scenic base bases do a lot of work. They can also be a fun project Don't sleep on the possibility for a base You know, I know I know marty you've thought a lot about bases tyler Where are you at with your basing journey? Where are you? How do you how do you feel about bases right now? Right? Uh, I'm enjoying the games workshop website basing style Some some texture a couple toughs living your best life Brown brins, baby. Well, obviously that's wrong, but that's okay Uh, it's your first full army. So you got to make some wrong choices That's just that's just part and parcel. But um I got a lot of my basing stuff from james waple There's another painter that you can like uh, take a look at like all my luminous stuff was based on his Lord of the Rings basing style for some stuff. It's it's you'd be surprised what like what really cool eccentric ideas a lot of these more advanced painters Say for very specific projects and just like take them like little bits here and there and just Throw them onto your own stuff. See what works Yeah, and I think the answer is there's absolutely nothing wrong, you know, uh, uncle adam's also a big fan I'm just like keeping most of his bases quite simple because he doesn't want to distract from the model and I that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that like that's the beauty of a base I don't think there's anything wrong With bases being like especially in for army painting like if you're doing some display figure You should you should obviously put some work into the base, right because it needs to be telling a story But if it's for your army The classic games workshop mud and a couple tufts Fine It's fine. Yeah, the the main show is the figures, right again. Are you trying to win best painted? Okay, maybe put in a little more effort, right? But But at the same time that shouldn't be the goal That actually was one of my questions for you guys So I did my friend Linus told me to do sterling mud Make some like puddles and then I did dry brushing different dry brushing And then added some rocks and some tufts and called it a day Is that like what is essentially done when you go to games workshops website and you're you're looking at these bases with Yeah, yeah, okay, nothing Nothing more complicated than it. No, they do the sterling mud They really don't put any effort into their bases now. I wouldn't I wouldn't recommend uh, uh Uh, I wouldn't recommend sterling mud just because you're overpaying for a tiny pot of mud Okay I will give you two recommendations instead that you should be using So one in the art world one in the in our hobby world. So the first is if you want to stick in the hobby world Vallejo makes these ground texture Bottles these are about 13 and 12 13 bucks for this massive thing. It's just it's just colored paste inside Yeah, okay. I think it's spread it over your miniature and paint it and that's it Like just turn it brown you can buy in colors too, but you should always paint it No, that's option one option two from the art world is this is um liquid text coarse texture medium But other other plenty of you don't have to get liquid texas or something But like many paint brands make these giant bottles of coarse texture medium It's used for canvas painting when you want texture In your your canvas paint like it's meant to be mixed with acrylic paint when you're actually trying to create physical texture On a canvas painting right like that's the point of it. It's it's a mixing medium but it's just It's just it's just textured paste when you put it on a base. It just looks like mud Okay, like it's in scale for us and then the final thing that I'll say is um Have you heard about this place called outdoors? Have you heard? Uh, yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm actually spending time there walking As I told you I'm getting in the habit of walking every night. I don't have fantastic. So Yeah, uh as you're walking the more you paint the more you'll start looking around and noticing things in the world Okay And you should use those for inspiration For your painting, but especially like taking pictures of cool logs and trees and Flowers and stuff like that. But interesting thing you can find outdoors is this thing called dirt And uh, you can just you can just get like a like a like a plastic tub or something And just get get some of that dirt and put it inside And then dry it out and then glue it to your base and that also works You just Like it's fine If you're at the beach, you know, so get some sand some sand sure Didn't have to go to walmart. Yeah For the paste is that something you just find easily at hobby lobby or yeah, basic I mean, I wouldn't buy from hobby lobby, but yes, um But in general, yes most most most like michaels and craft stores You will your your joe and fabrics your michaels your whatever will all have that stuff. Yeah Your your dick blicks, you know, all that kind of stuff. Yep. Yeah Absolutely, um, also I made a video about this. It wasn't a very watched video But I but I do stand behind it because so like one fun thing you can find in a lot of those like hobby stores Is sections dedicated to fairy gardens Okay, oh, yeah, yeah, which is like a whole thing people make. Oh, yeah, I remember that bit. I remember that uh that video Yeah, yeah, uh the alamish country stores not far from my house all have these like fairy garden places Because it's a very popular thing right and if you go in that fairy garden area of your craft store your garden center or whatever Holy crap, man. It is a gold mine for basing stuff just like Dirts and sands and rocks and Cool little items and everything you could ever want like it's amazing And it's all cheapest chips because it's meant to be bought like because when they're making these fairy gardens They're making like a planter like this You know, it's like the fairy garden, right? So they're using tons of this stuff, right? So it can't be expensive It's not like I thought you don't pay that the hobby Markup basically You know that my one of my missions is don't pay for dirt Yes, exactly recast it brain cells says the government doesn't want you to know that this but dirt is free exactly Dirt is free That is true free dirt Uh, hey, there's ratchett and carthalos. There he is. All right. We got there. Um So, uh A g said I live near a beach just collected a ton of sand from the beach baked it been using that Yeah, perfect. Exactly. Yeah Drawing it out. You can either like air dry it in the sun for a long time Or yeah, you can just throw in the oven and put it on like a relatively low temp and let it go for a little while and it'll Kill everything in it I am I am a bad example right now because one of the the narrative like the rules that I gave myself for This the the 40k was no natural no natural materials at all so I've been making a bunch of bases out of like Plastic art and wire and all the just sort of blade runner junk that you can think of that's fine So It's for sam's tiranid sam lenses tiranids. He wanted cool little weird alien like Things like alien plants or Something like that on the base like weird twisting alien shapes sort of like geiger, you know hr geiger kind of shapes So he went out and bought dried like Pasta like the weird spiral pasta And then started cutting them up and tearing them and put those on the base and then Glued over them and painted them It's perfect. It looks so weird. They look like weird little alien, you know plants and stuff But it's just dried like ritelli pasta or something Wow So truly anything can be anything can be basing material if you wanted enough Mm-hmm Terrier halo says I collected snow and ice this winter in little jars for basing, but it wasn't worth the effort. Trust me on this Yeah, good call. Yeah snow and ice You you made a basing video for your votan guy and you specifically used like just junk from like a smash computer or something Yeah, yeah, if you've got old electronics, I never throw out old electronics I smash them with a hammer and collect the bits from the inside don't do that with like crt monitors You'll kill yourself obviously so please don't do that but like Mice and you know like keyboards and you just stuff like that that that tends to break down over time like things like that That aren't harmful once they're unplugged, right? Things that have no internal power source of their own Another basic question. So of course Where we all get familiar with gw's painting style the citadel citadel approach One person I've really enjoyed over the years is Amy snugs. I follow her on instagram I feel like she's reflective of that style. She paints for siege studios I don't know if she has a lot of videos or patreon, but are there any folks online YouTube particular that you guys think? Like give good good tutorials or good guidance on that gw style Or anybody that stands out in particular. Yeah, sure So I mean like tyler mengel is probably a great example of somebody who's yeah, that makes sense much in the in the gw style And he he'll often like post up his like the instagram evi metal style You know, I applied this then I applied this then I applied this then I applied this and and and sort of how I like them So he does and then we said some warm community articles, too Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And then he's done Um, so yeah, I mean I think he's he's somebody that jumps out to me as somebody who who's making content And is very much in a sort of in the in the traditional gw bane Now obviously one of your best examples the ur example The king himself bowed down give give praise Uh are one true lord and savior darin latham Right, I mean not darin latham. Well, that's where I was going exactly darin's channel might be gone but not darin latham is still around And uh, somebody took down all those videos and then re-uploaded that uploaded them under not darin lay them. So Uh, that's great. Uh, that's that would be the You know your that's that's the place to be if you really want to see how it is. That's the I mean that you know, he was an heavy metal painter ahead of the studio for years. And so I mean Consistently wins golden demon like in the open category with just like With just miniatures. She's just paying some miniatures Somebody I mentioned peachy. Oh, yeah, go go martin Yeah, yeah, there's there's one on the chat for infernal bro It it really depends on what you're looking for because gw. It's important to remember it has two different studios They have the armies and battlefield studio and they have the heavy metal studio the heavy metal studio Technically, there's another one too because the the specialist games painters and studios. Yes, that's this Yes, that's true. Um, and they're doing both but they're doing it for their specialist games Well, all of them painted a different style Yes Um, uh, but like the point point being is like that there are people who used to work on the armies and battlefield studio like peachy Um, and they are going to paint to a standard even if it's in the game's workshop style Which is at a I don't want to say lower end, but it is more a more simplified version Then say uh, yeah I think they're all achievable It's just it gets back to the very first question that we answered which was How long do you want to spend on this project? Sure? Uh, and so it's like someone like peachy or duncan I don't want conversation with duncan back when he worked with games workshop And it was like the first time I had entered uh, it was like a painting competition at like an official games workshop event in texas And he was there as like the star and I asked him It's like well, don't do enter anything in golden demon. He's like no I specifically like painting to a standard which is teachable and that's just my hobby I don't really like golden demon. I don't really like painting competitions. And so Um, I think watching his videos or something where people who paint like that Is a good example of getting there and tyler mangle getting back to it Is like probably the best bridge Where he's as precise as an evi metal painter But he has as few steps as an armies and battlefields painter Yeah, sure the other two that jump out would be like one hidalgo who uses to focus is more like contrast Paintings in his painting. Yeah, scott mentioned that And then, um, mammacon who posts mainly on instagram and stuff mammacons also like a very Very much in the school of like darren latham style painting and stuff like that. So, yeah, okay. All right, sweet Yeah, really really excellent painter who has lots of great stuff and he does have a patreon as well Uh Yeah, uh, this is one of my vermin lords. Sure. Why not? She has less armor than those vermin lords, but look she's got the little ball. See There you go. Yes So she was fun. I don't know. I just threw her in because I thought she was fun There you go Hey, it's sometimes stuff is just fun Like I I I need to work. I I've been trying to work on stuff that is more fun. Maybe it's not as jolly But like the the the bust a manor for nova is just like, uh, it's like a tutor guy It's it's vaguely historical It's just some fun textures and stuff doesn't always have to be like this Incredibly 40 chest well thought out custom Warhammer army No, this is just chance like the most fun thing on her was doing the little lightning emanating from her head up into her horns in the dark spot. That was just a fun thing to try So like up here in her head. She's got this Lightning that's coming out into the horns is a little cracks of like warp energy And I was just like, oh, that's a fun thing. She's got warp stone shards growing out of her. So why not? like Okay Seemed like a fun thing to do like obviously that's not modeled in there. That's all just flat space normally But I was like, that's too much flat space. I need something interesting. Let's try some little lightning in there That seems like a cool thing You know sometimes thinking models are just a chance to like try new things and and play around and see what you get This is one of those um Are you answering kyle nelson's question martin? Uh, yeah writing it down. Yeah, like versus dark warm versus cold saturated versus desaturated texture Like matt versus saturated and I can't remember the fifth one right now. It's very late. That's fine. When you type your answers I'll see if I can cover you there. All right, cool. Yeah, there you go there I typed four of them. I can't remember the fifth one right now Okay, sure, uh, light versus dark warm versus cold saturated versus desaturated Uh texture versus smooth right and and yeah, yeah, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah rough rough versus smooth not matt versus sat Yeah, yeah, and matt versus sat would be your other one Yeah, oh, okay. Yes Yeah, okay, cool You had them all there you go. Yeah Uh fun vampire lord conversion here. Uh, this guy was a lot of fun playing working in desaturated colors Uh, good example of uh, just like using very small color areas and having everything else be desaturated um You guys have a favorite model that you painted over the years. Oh boy What a question Uh, I want to ask you tyler. I've been turned that right back around you before I answer I'm gonna ask you you've painted your way through an army. What was your favorite thing you painted? What was the playground you enjoyed the most? The second set of playgrounds. I I liked how they came out. Yeah for my Uh very new level Uh, I enjoy how they look uh from uh, you know just looking at them on the table They they look they look kind of nice. So yeah, I enjoyed I enjoyed painting a unit of playgrounds What so so what made them fun? Let me see if I can if I can crack your answer down here Sure, you had a fun time painting them You felt like you knew like you because it was a second unit you felt like you knew what you were doing a little more Right, you had a little more. Let's go do it, right? And then when you looked at the final product, you were like, yeah pretty good It's like the yeah in the contrast like the wings, right? You can really have the wings stand out a little bit with just some I don't know if I'd call it highlight edge highlighting and probably would not be a bit like Very approximate edge highlighting with uh, sort of the zenithal highlighting uh slap shop technique, right? And it's just yeah, you look at them and okay the areas that should be popping are popping And cool. Yeah, it brings brings you some joy looking at looking at your models And I think you just hit the fundamentals of what any answer would consist of, right? which is You approach something that you liked the base figure You had a fun time working on it like it wasn't painful for various and sundry reasons, right? Yeah You felt like you were even if you were experimenting or pushing yourself You felt like you were able to solve the challenges you ran into Yeah, okay And then when the model finished you looked at it and went yeah, all right that came out That came out something like was in my head. Maybe not exactly like it. You know, I got to a good place Right and to me That's the magic combination When that takes place and that's not going to be every figure By the way, there's no just to be clear for somebody who's pain as long as I have there's no point you hit where that's every model Sure Okay There's no like sudden magic day Where all of a sudden everything is is enjoyable to paint you look at and go boy Strength on strength, baby. All I'm doing is killing it All I think you just you don't ever walk in dj. Calading, right? Just like All I do is win. Maybe every time like it's just never going to happen, right? It's a video of emma stone lip syncing that today came across. Yeah, fantastic And you know, I there there will always be things that you paint that you're like, well, that didn't work That didn't that didn't work. That's fine, right You figure out why it didn't work. You learn from it. You go on that's honestly going to be much more Instructive to you than the things that you came out. Do you finish and you're like, okay, good done Yeah, yeah Okay, so you have you filibustered long enough. I mean, I know we're big fans of the filibuster in this country We are we are you do Marty you got answers. I yeah, I'll let marty go ha marty. What's your favorite model you've ever painted? Um Don't don't give me any of this child. I'm like, you can't you can't pick a favorite child. Give me an answer No, no, no, no, no, I've I've been thinking about it. I do I do have like a final list of like three or four Um, and the problem is is like there's something I'm working on right now that I want to be my favorite because it's a custom sculpt Of a character of mine from elden ring and that's like something I'm really trying Yeah, the problem is is like I'm trying to juggle painting that to the level I want I think the answer is that it's just not going to be ready for nova and I'm going to enter a different bust instead And it's just I'm going to take more time Painting it like, um, I'll just I'll just put it in frame. It's actually quite large like vince. This is this is this is like This is this is a large model I want this one to be my favorite because of the sentimental value behind the sculpt But it's probably going to end up being the journeyman morrigan um, or The the nari regent the guy on the llama cat or the cathalar Which is the woman who's on the stacked base and there's like the little skeleton like in the hovel I I just feel like everything really came together for that model So it's going to come down to one or two lumina of characters or morrigan And if you really had to make me pick I think it would end up being that cathalar I really enjoyed that piece Um, even though it's not like a golden demon like display figurines. So very I mean No, it did it did get a bronze at um a capital palette for for master So it it it is like a display figure too, but uh, yeah, so I I'm always gonna have fun look like lumina's characters. Yeah yeah so I'm gonna say your question is invalid because it's because there's no like best movies But I can give you categories So if you're asking me like favorite figure army favorite figure display favorite figure vehicle I can do that breakdown, right? Because it's not like whatever helps us sleep at night Whatever helps us sleep at night in which case then the answer in order would be um Honestly, I think my mega boss on maw crusher because I just love the conversion I think he's a big giant, okay, and and I like how he came out and he's fun I've got a photo of him in here somewhere, but I don't know where Yeah, um There's some alpha legion. I did for the horse heresy weekender event. It's a whole army there I actually put this on the table and played a game of uh 10th edition with these guys brother display model Uh, there is a model. I painted for squid mar's quick Kickstarter for his For his models that I did I don't remember the name of it is but she's floaty air magic elf girl And I just feel like I achieved stuff with that that I had never achieved before I really think it's like Like from the inner glow and the smoke and the white cloth and the blue You know metallic cybernetic bits and stuff like that because all the elves in his world are like cybernetic enhanced Um, I think that that was just a sort of like It was a piece where I got to the end of it and I had pushed myself in it and it worked And I I still think it's one of my favorites. I've done this is maybe like a year ago or whatever. I did that one awesome um And then so that's what army display and then vehicle is just if that's easy whatever night I painted last so in this case It'd be bane lash Right. So like yeah, yeah Yeah, I've only painted one vehicle I have only painted one vehicle in the past eight years. So that's easy for me And what about What about army favorite army events? I mean marty, you've got I I guess marty still it's limaneth for you Uh, oh, yeah So what events your favorite painted army? That's that's tough. That is really tough. I I I like a lot of my armies for different reasons like converting the whirlwinds edge army was really fun, right because it was all like Custom builds and things like that a lot of stuff that I literally just made from parts You know like no model was what it was Doing the rat cast was great because I think that there's a wonderful story behind it And you know a whole red non metallic army was I think looked really good um You know my sons of batmout were really fun because it's they're all frankincinian giants that are my own creation You know that kind of thing, right? You know So I I really have to say I I don't know that I could Pick a single army. I I love many of them. I think and the reason I say that is because The armies that I've put a lot of time into have all been rewarding for different reasons Sure, yeah Yeah, the question is problematic. I I get that I mean like something between like iron jaws dock silvaneth rat cast and whirlwinds edge and Yeah, like in that in that and and my um A slanash, right like somewhere in that space I I if I can borrow from the movie thing Um, I I always struggle when people ask me or it's uh when people find out I'm a movie snob raised by movie snob Like well, what is the greatest movie ever made and I always come down to these two choices of a film called chimes at midnight and the last emperor And they could not be further removed from each other in terms of subject matter art style runtime Etc And so even if I think there is an objective answer somewhere It's it's it's comparing like an apple and uh a computer monitor like Or bad example bad example. No, it's not it's comparing an apple and a computer monitor and saying what's the better item Yes What? Oh, yeah, so um, they're technically excellent and and in in those regards and like I it sometimes it's about like I had more fun doing this or I got to flex some creative muscles. I haven't done before or um, taking it to a specific event and then at that event I got to meet like I got to do the five new friends thing which is which is a a meme for for 2023 and it's like well it does just that influence how much I appreciate this model Like clearly the one that sticks out for everyone when when people look at my work and you can go you can even google me On on my office's computers and one of the first thing that comes up is my avalanor And the avalanor is is is something where it's like I don't want to say I despise it But I never want to paint something like that again It was like my attempt at trying to do something opalescent based on like a six step thing That I got from facebook like on the heavier metal page And then I didn't do it correctly because I just didn't follow the tutorial very well And it turned into this monstrosity which like I took a month and a half break from And I I appreciate the model Everyone says it's like oh you gotta like I may enter it in nova because I haven't done that yet We'll see but like it's it's just a matter of Finding the thing that I appreciate the most having spent all of that time on And not regretting one second of it in my opinion is what I would consider to be my best model And that's why I'm saying I want it to be This elden ring piece. I don't want to cram it and there's like all of the Emotional adage where it's like this is the character that I got to create in a video game And gives them like a story on top of everything else So I'm still going to stick with the cathol are luminesce But there's a lot of stuff. I really like about Like in the slideshow was the my proxy for the contorted epitome And I had this idea and it's like I knew it was going to look cool when I started envisioning it And then I put it together And it's it's really just a worthwhile like crazy looking composition, which has a story all its own Yeah, so very good. That's probably my favorite for the uh the slaves to darkness So very nice All right, I'm going to zoom through some pictures as we call it. Let's let's bring this to a close here We've been going for a while. I think we think we can wrap it up Uh, hey everybody, if you haven't hit like yet, you should do so click that like button There's there's there's more than you that have hit like click that button Click subscribe do all those things, but let's uh, this is my Marathi Let's go through some of the other pictures here. She was a lot of fun Obviously a big centerpiece saved her. She was the very last thing I painted for my doc Still love how she came out to this day. I I think she's You know just and she's just a gorgeous model like I really think Marathi is a beautiful model They did an incredible job with the sculpt And creep shadow there is an entire web series called best of the worst Sure Tyler some plague bears here, buddy. We got your stuff in there Uh, I don't know talk about how to take photos. That's going to be our next lesson we need to learn Uh, just make make them a little make them a little fuzzy, right? Just put them on your beds. Yeah Yeah, exactly nails it got it Uh And uh, hey, thank you agi. I appreciate that very much. Yeah, you can see we can see some of tyler's plague bears here They look really cool great stuff There's you got we got uh, we're gonna jump through a bunch tyler. I'm sure all yours are like in sequence So it's uh coming up here. This is your you got a little beast of chaos boy here Yeah Uh, there's the plague drones. Is this the first or the second unit? That's the second unit. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not I'm not gonna show you the first Oh, that's fine. Hey, hey, whatever whatever you want Uh, very cool very cool stuff and then we got a little plague tree Thing the gross tree that I ate Uh, first train of painant Got some sylvaneth some of the some of the birth of my overuse of pink and teal as a color scheme with my uh, my my Combination spite rev tree revs here because you never know what you're gonna use. So why not just model maybe both? That's what I say I always do think of that one as the other apex Of of your condition Wait, yeah, you you I think you've you know, you've got your condition a little more under control But that was the apex. Oh, absolutely This is my, uh, this right here is my what's her name? Uh, what's what's her name the um Drica, this is my draka Yeah, because I don't like the main draka model and so I did this instead. I just a big female tree lord person It's a very very very old creature caster model Yeah Some art boys. Oh, I remember that one. Yeah Yeah Exactly Uh, some art boys here. Uh, these are fun guys Uh, this is fun because it was fun to mess with the banner and do the cool stuff on the banner and also You know, you talk about things that stick in your mind Yeah Hmm. Do you know what my favorite thing about this unit is tyler? This this art boys unit our boys Already you can guess too if you like word What do you think my favorite thing about this art boys unit is? uh Well, I remember you making a video about the blue Sure, sure. Um I don't remember well the thing is is that I'm not a fan of lava basing So if you made a video on them having lava bases, I didn't watch it. I'm sorry. It's fine. Yes I did I did do a video on lava bases, but that's not I did multiple videos on lava bases But no, it's not what it is. Yeah, I'll give you a Tyler you know the banner the banner I mean the banner's sick that that that stands out the most but uh, I'm not sure Yeah, I'm I'm sure it's probably and yes for chat erin lovejoy a miniature monthly erin lovejoy absolutely Yeah A titan among men erin lovejoy and my brother from another mother, uh Yeah, like I was happy with the banner. He's happy with all that. Here's my honest answer You notice how the center of this drum Is stained slightly brown in an irregular way as though he's been striking the Center of it where the icon is repeatedly That looks very natural to me as to how a drum head looks Especially a very old drum head that's been hit many times by a yeah, that's my And that looks great. It's a very small little detail, but I sat there and thought How do I make this look like it's been used repeatedly? and It looks like it's been struck multiple times focusing more toward the center And it was just some light repeated stippling over multiple times with like some seraphim sepia or something Such a simple effect and yet it was like my favorite thing I don't know sometimes sometimes it's the little things Still remember that all these years later Uh, some bird writing iron jaws. These are these are my uh, these are my iron jaws that stole birds Uh, they've got they've got the uh storm cast griff birds because uh, it's funny to me That way I can have both eggs and bacon. You gotta have a full breakfast The uh the barnyard buster, uh as it were Hey, there he is. There's my there's my guy on on death chicken Uh, I always said the story here was that my my My megaboss rides a uh maw crusher that is a mix of a lorda change that has mated with a maw crusher I won't ask any more details, but obviously he's got the big flaming rooster Up on the banner. I love a flaming rooster on a banner I won't say any more about that, but you can read that however you want Uh, that goes back to our warhammer age of reckoning days And that was a fun thing to paint a giant flaming rooster on a banner Uh, this is my slaughter queen on cauldron Still one of my favorite things ever. I just love the cauldron model. I think it's super cool Even though it is very strange But obviously this is heavily converted with more of the uh More of the like little dudes holding up blood pools and you know Just blood everywhere blood blood blood. So I made it, you know, we got to go bigger added more spikes more More junk more nonsense. It's always a fun thing to do Uh Marty, here's a nice selection of all your characters from your lumineth army I guess I do love using my in collage app to to show people a lot of figures in a very small space I have like 78 different save photos of like different in collage mixes of people of my models Really unique and wonderful skin tones Very very unique to your elves Yeah, just very quickly. I wanted to make sure like, um, uh, I didn't want them just to be like Tolkien Like regular people in ear makeup I wanted them to look like the hellboy elves basically that was the closest thing I could And I did a lot of different skin tests. Um Also, one of the one of the things that's very time consuming when painting models to a high standard Is their eyes So I found a foolproof way of never having to paint a single pupil And it's just like give them glowing yellow eyes Perfect done in dust so much It's so much easier like even though I'm painting. Yes. I'm painting yellow and then like a Glow in the center and stuff like that. It it doesn't have to be very as precise as Like what we would perceive to be normal human eyes Absolutely, but yeah, ever all of the conversions are here. Even even the unit champions But it's just great stuff. Yeah. Thank you So an old conversion speaking of somebody asked about marble earlier. This is my queen kalita I had to throw a tomb kings thing in here just in case tristan is still watching This is my queen kalita on her her royal sphinx With all her little snakes and stuff like that on there So, you know, she's my tomb queen on on On sphinx So that's a very old model, but I mean my god I think I this is like one of the earliest hobby cheats is doing the marble for this guy's body I'm with that. Yeah, it's on a square base. That's how you know It is on a square base. That's right Many years ago marty marty, which one was the catheter top left or top? Turquoise robes blonde hair Right here. Yeah. Okay. Top center. Okay. Top center. Gotcha. I knew it was one of those two. I couldn't remember Okay, sweet. Yeah, she's wearing like a costume from like witcher three that I modified. Sure. Yeah, a little For some fun tattoo action All right, this was fun because I actually made is I looked at the art in the book And then model his tattoos after the old crag nose art the like cave art. Oh, yeah, so that was fun Marty's whole army with it's the the the actual picture There you go. There's your cow mountain that you never want to paint again that you got one Yep And uh more little sylvaneth people And then my original thing that I the first army I painted when I got into uh, Aos, which was my brittonian storm cast my bret cast All laid out on a wooden table. There you go And that's it. All right, folks We got through all the photos But hey for you out there watching hit like hit subscribe do all those fun things that make all the dings We appreciate you watching We hope we answered your question and motivated you to get some hobby done At least maybe hopefully you got some painting done during this nice three hour Session tyler, do you feel ready to do that storm cast army? I think so Yes, I feel much more ready and uh, yes, I I know what I need. I have a sense what I need to do now. So thank you guys for Tonight, this was awesome. We hit our average. Congrats everybody. We did it work three hours At three hours of show times four hundred and forty shows. I don't know how many days I didn't look up. I don't know where he figured out how long the total playlist length is I need to figure out where he went to look at that But this was not going to be a 90 minute show. Yeah, no, that's right. Um We'll leave with this chaplain gremaldus citations kitbash question looking to convert 40k beastmen To other old hammer chaos like wolfman pigment, etc What other mini line can I pull from that will blend in well? Oh boy, that's a good question They just made that 40k beastmen quilting Uh, well, yeah, but he wants other like types of heads. That's the thing would be the main thing right like pig heads and stuff like that Well, I don't know. Maybe Maybe malifaux would have some stuff. It's a little smaller scale, but it probably wouldn't be too bad I know they have like some pig people and weird stuff like that. So maybe maybe that warm or steam or machine has some Maybe maybe some words. Yeah, I don't know. That'd be probably look around there But that's a that's a tough question. 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