 Wel i gael ar y cwmddorol ymlaes i amddangos y TV Africa. Mae'n gweithio ar y cwmddorol y sefyllfa ar y cwmddorol, ond ydych chi'n gweithio'r Llyfrgell yn yng Nghaerbydd, a dwi'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'r hyn o'r hyn oedd yn Nigeria. Wel y ddechu'r hyn o'r hyn o'r hyn o'r hyn oedd y Llyfrgell ond, y rhai yng Nghaerbydd, India yn yn dod i crofi'r pethol cyfnod. Mae Llyfrgell yng Nghaerbydd hwn yn yr arch Linux, yn gwneud y lle o bethau yma, ac mae'n ddod i gynnig yn cael ei fawr bodóa yna, yn cael eu hunain aelod ei wneud bod Nidia. Felly, yn Cymru o Gweithos, rydych chi'n gwineud y cwmddorol. FG'r fforddiol eich ffawr five hundred and sixty-eight point five billion are annually on power tariff shut-falls and that's according to the world bank. Outrage greets abduction of Christian worshippers in caduna. 12 power plants suffer gas shortage as 1,610 megawatt of electricity idle and we have an analysis here saying that Panthamish should just go now. Yn angen am ysgrin o'rそうですねc yng Nghym Mheil, yw'r hyn yw'r nyf. Yn yr hynny'n gweithio'r pattern sy'n gwneud am yr yrwyf yn bachio'n gwyloch. Rydym yn ysgrin o'r ffordd ar gyfer gyffredinol, gyrddiad hynny yn gwyllgor gwyllwl. A'r ôl yn bywysu'r bwrdd yna, mae sylfa yn digwydd ar gyfer gyffredinol yng nghymru. yn Llegos, Cano ar y 6. 11 ychydig ar gweithio'r busch yn bwysig ar y trwc yn Chwara. Y cwntau'r llwyddiadau byddai Robert wedi'u gweithio'r bwysig ar y Llegos hosbwys. Three policemen arrested for extorting lesser students of 153,000 naira in Ogunstate, and lastly on the punch in the newspaper, community deserted as bandits abducted another 35 residents in Manchester State. Dollars. This morning also security. Southeast Governors and leaders insist on Ibu Beagu. We can also find here nine wedding guests dying accident. And Nigeria accounts for 23% global malaria deaths. Also Llegos to a shot or jotta on the pass. I think those are the big most relevant ones. Okay, it also says that three customs men dying, bandits killed doctor in attack on Kaduna Church. Boko Haram hits Burno Town. Sect beheads teacher preaches in Gay Dam. All right. Let's also move to the daily independence next and see what stories that we can find. All right. Under daily independence, Nigeria loses 23.5 billion naira yearly to offshore aircraft maintenance. FG facility yet to take off six years after promise. States to unlock fresh options over declining federal allocation. Attack on Uzodima's home threat to Nigeria's existence and that's according to the Governors. Several security personnel killed has gone minute hack reverse checkpoints. Bandits attack could do in a church killed doctor, abduct worshippers. And below the headline Ibu Beagu will work with police other security agencies. That's according to the Southeast Governors. Two more stories here on the independence fire. Shea here says Buhari's government now employer defender of tourists. And lastly, lawyers defer over Lagos taken over corruption cases from EFCC and ICPC. All right. I think we can get to the this day newspapers and share a few others. This day this morning says Southeast leaders push for legal backing for Ibu Beagu. Governors, speakers disagree on fixed monthly payment to state legislatures. Also judicial legislative workers strike continues. Federal government holds talks with striking workers today. We can also find on this day this morning federal government rejects World Bank's report on Nigeria's power sector. I think we might just take a break there. Those are the big ones that we have this morning. Good morning once again, Mr Tunde Kolawale. Thank you for your time. Good morning, my brother. All right. You can go ahead. I'm not sure which story you would like to kick off from. There are so many interesting stories in there. Even though most of the stories are not palatable to the air, to the extent that most of them are also dealing with the bloodlething spilling of innocent people's bloods all over the country. The first I would like to address is that talks about stakes. Now trying to find alternative means of generating revenue so as to be able to meet the obligation to the Nigerian people. The truth of the matter is that certain things are not done overnight. We have always talked about diversification of the nation's economy since time immemorial, but we have really never had the courage and then the necessity we are without being back on that path because we have continued to flow from the Niger Delta. But truth of the matter is there are so many alternatives that we could really tap into. But the tragedy, in my humble opinion, is that the Nigerian ruling elite appears to me to be very lazy, to be very indolent, not to be capable of doing very thorough thinking that is likely to lead to the ability of the states to generate revenue from other sources other than one. But I will give you two examples. Look at entertainment and sports, for example. Look at the huge amount of revenue that that brings to Britain, football, for example, on a weekly basis. Look at what music brings to Jamaica. Look at what athletics is involved and the rest of them bring to Jamaica. If, since they return to this civil war, we are then backed on investing in sports alone, you are now to realize that we have been a very, very good source of revenue. At the time, a music group like ABBA in Sweden, we are bringing very good revenue to Sweden. Jamaica out today, regates to bring a lot of revenue to Jamaica. You also recollect the last time that Dr O'Conjoy Weyla visited Bwari in Nigeria, he mentioned the issue of Grammy that is won by Bonnaball and he pointedly told the president that Mr President, with this Grammy that this boy has won, you have to put us in your hand to market. But surprisingly to me, I never saw any positive response from Mr President. For the moment, look at tourism. People go to Dubai ordinary jazz art that doesn't have any serious landscape that one can say is fascinating that you want to visit. But in Nigeria, there are so many residents from other parts of the world are tripping to Dubai, autism and to buy houses. If we provide security in this country, if we are able to get our arts right, places like Jaws, places like Obutukatu Ranch, places like Abuja, places like Lagos, we will be very, very good and attractive places. We are tourism, we want to visit. When you enter Lagos by air, when you come into Lagos by air and you look at all those banana land and Victoria land and all that, what comes to your mind is wow, what kind of a scenic landscape is this? But the truth of the matter is a wildlife are not wired or geared towards the best find in Nigeria's economy. Okay. To complice it. Just making money from oil. That's when they call our land. Let's move into the issue of security now. Undume is in the news this morning on the nation saying put suspected Boko Haram finances on open trial. If you remember the government has a few times made mention that they are aware of those people who was funding and financing Boko Haram and they would release the names pretty soon. They threatened a few times but that still has not happened. So what do you think we might be or might be holding back the Nigerian government from doing that? Under the Nigerian constitution, all trials are supposed to be open to the public. If you have visited any of our courts, you will find that when the court is sitting, whether at the majesty's court level, whether at the high court level, whether at the court of appeal level or whether at the supreme court level, they don't shut their doors and you journalists are always allowed to cover court proceedings. So anybody making noise or agitating or saying trials of Boko Haram financiers should be made open, Do you think the Nigerian government truly is aware of those who are financing insurgency Nigeria? I don't think so and even if they are aware, I'm not too sure they will have the balls to really be able to take on some people. Truth of the matter is most of the people who are in sensitive places, who are the emopatias of this country, are sympathizers of the Boko Haram insurgency because most of them are Muslims and when you look at both the Qur'an and their deeds, it encourages an average Muslim to support the jihad such as the one that the Boko Haram are doing. You can support it by fighting, participating physically in the fighting or providing the necessary wealth with all our resources for those who are actually engaged in the fighting. It is for that reason you'll find out when in the past a Boko Haram commander has been arrested and handed over to the commissioner of police, he released him. If Walin Duma himself, if you go back to history, you will remember there was a time it was alleged that he was asking direct correspondence with the Boko Haram commander that he was exchanging text messages with him and he was taking to court, he was prosecuted in anabuja, in the federal court in Abuja. He escaped justice because somebody somewhere went and tampered with court records. It's not as if he caught up the wolf based on the merit of his case. Unfortunately to the same words in the past to try out for being a sympathizer and a correspondent with both the Boko Haram jihadist, it's not the chairman of the senate committee on the army sitting on the senate committee of the army in which we have the opportunity to have privileged information with regards to whatever the army is doing, with regards to whatever weapons they have in their arsenal, with regards to the ammunition that they are purchasing. You also recollect, there was a time a Boko Haram commander was arrested in the Boronau governor's lodge in Abuja. Nobody has given the Nigerian people an explanation up to today why a Boko Haram commander find his way into the governor's lodge, the Boronau said governor's lodge in Abuja. So I'm not too sure that these people will have the buzz or the quarry or the political will to relate to the necessary. And the feel after that is that you will remember when this issue of Boko Haram Tunisia force came up. They are to the general of the fedesion. We should be eager to prosecute them. The first statement is made is that they want to impregnate buzz and not certain that the people who tried them, I think in Dubai, gave them a fair trial. It didn't tell the Nigerian people that they were asking for the record of proceeding and the treatment of infestication that was carried out by the police in those places to ascertain the culpability of these people and if they ever deported to Nigeria or their supporters in Nigeria or equally prosecute them in Nigeria. So I'm not too sure we are likely to get anything tangible from that direction. All right. Okay, so Mr Kolawell is still talking about security. I want to comment on the recent situation we've been seeing where it seems the terrorist are now taking the fight to security officials. We saw what happened in River State where soldiers, the story here is on the nation newspaper, soldiers and policemen were killed in attacks on checkpoints and over the weekend in Borneau State we saw a situation where Boko Haram attacked a military base and killed some news sites saying 13 others saying 30 people. We have no idea the exact number but we know for sure that at least an army commander has been killed. What are your comments on that Mr Kolawell? Honestly speaking, when any Nigerian is killed, whether it be a soldier or a civilian, it diminishes all of us. No woman been. This has to lose his life unjustly without maybe a pronouncement or a decision of a court of law because it is only the court of law that can deny a man I'll say a man should be executed for whatever can he has committed if that is what the law prescribes as punishment. So when individuals take close into their hands because of this arrogance of truth, because of the arrogance of truth that they think it is only their own doctrine and belief that is the truth and nobody else holds any access to truth, then it is not right but again you want to ask yourself are our security men themselves not making themselves vulnerable for these kind of attacks that we continue to see. When in the past the army said they were going to be establishing super camps and with they would have a mass of truth in specific locations to be able to tackle Bokwaran. I was one of the few Nigerians who said look, don't establish a super camp. A super camp is a sleeping tent. It makes you vulnerable to be picked up by the Bokwaran all your enemies. Gorilla warfare that we are engaging in now, the warfare that we are engaging in now is a man hunting man game. In fact you shouldn't have any soldier more than 10, 5 in any particular location at the time and they should constantly be moving liquid for the Bokwaran to pick them out just like the Bokwaran are equally liquid for them to pick them out. But here and below you'll find out our two where mass themselves in a particular location and those people who do reconnaissance and so on them know where they are and when they least expected those people learn, push on them and so on them and begin to kill them. Furthermore you also find out that there's a lot of indiscipline in the Nigerian army. A lot of indiscipline in the Nigerian army and until that discipline is caught we are never likely to have a fighting machine in our troops. What do I mean by indiscipline? We have seen instances in the past in which soldiers deployed to the patitudes will run away. We have seen that in the past in which soldiers were apparently a weapons to the Bokwaran in the Nigerian army. Yes please. I don't know if you call that indiscipline or just you know trying to save their own lives you know if they've also complained of being poorly equipped and so it sounds more like suicide if you're poorly equipped and going to fight an enemy. The truth of the matter is this war is a very dirty game nobody wants to die but somehow if one is accepted to be a soldier you will realize that the possibility of time as a soldier is very very high so when you are given a responsibility you just must be ready to do it and try to do the last drop of your plot. At the same time you know it's still I mean we had reports you know yet for example yesterday of you know of an army base in Bernosat that was attacked. Reports here are almost 30 soldiers were killed including their commander. I'm sure that there were more than 30 in that camp and a lot of them also realized that you know staying back instead of fleeing you know would mean complete suicide and so they must have fled to save their lives. If you're poorly equipped you know it doesn't make any sense to you know because you're a soldier put yourself in harm's way and end your life simply because you know you've taken an oath as a soldier but I agree with you. Let's move on to talk about still talking insecurity now. The Ibu Beagu it made the news in most of the papers this morning. Southeast Governors are still very very ready to go ahead with the Ibu Beagu security setup. Do you you know what are your thoughts on that and do you think that will be a success? Anyway I agree with you that it is not impossible. People have succeeded that the American armies when they went into Afghanistan they lost men in there. They are sometimes ambushed by the Taliban and some of their personal skills. Most of some of their most fortified army barracks were attacked and then the the American soldiers had the casualties. But what I'm saying is that when you are in the camp when your troop is much somewhere else and you know the kind of enemies that you are dealing with then you cannot afford you cannot afford not to have a very strong reconnaissance operations around between the four seven. Most times you'll find that some of these soldiers are policemen. They're in one particular location and they are chatting. They are eating granote. They are making telephone calls. I want us to you know because of you know I want us to you know leave the conversation with a lot of respect for the Nigerian soldiers because of those who have sacrificed their lives you know in the course of their duty. Those have been killed in action and all of that. They want to eat granote. They want to eat granote. Quickly on Ibubiago just before we go where we are at the time. You know we have talked about this Ibubiago sometime ago in your program and I said there is slightly to the clashes between the eastern Nigerian security network and then the Ibubiago. The feel as we are getting from the east today. Your chances from the governors and from the high power people is tended towards that direction that none of these two security outfits is ready to yield the grant for the other so that we can have a peace in the south east. So the governors will have to find a way to create a middle ground for these two groups to be able to work together if it is basically to secure the south east from bandits, kidnappers, armed robbers and all other nefarious elements who want to make life difficult for our people. It shouldn't be a power source between the governors and the high power people between ESM and Ibubiago. But another dimension we should look at is this. Do these states really have the wealth at all? Are they even still with the Ibubiago that they are talking about? Look at their mother in the south way. That program is not flying. That is the truth of the matter. People have been kidnapping on those in New York and the state on the daily basis despite the establishment of the Amadecun troop that were having that. So furthermore, I'm sorry to say the attitude of the police to some of these things is also not in quality. Intelligence gut is very key to unraveling some of this tragedy that we are continuing to see all over the place. If you leave yourself at a particular spot, like a lame dog, and people come to pick you up, it's not which you will have yourself to blame. I don't think we are investing enough in intelligence gut and to be able to unravel some of these things. Furthermore, look at the attack on the schools. I have said this time it has a number. But now there is no reason why any of our children in any of the schools should lose their lives to any bandits or be subjected to any kidnapping. We should have about three or four layers of security around the schools by now. The school authority should have their own security network. All right. CCTV camera all over the place. The soldiers should have the time in which schools are located to have their own security. All right. Thank you very much. I wish you also. Thank you very much. If we have these layers of security, all these kidnapping of school children will be reduced. All right. But we need to wrap up here. Thank you very much for your time this Monday morning. Thanks for speaking with us. Yes, I do. Thank you. Always very interesting here. Thanks for having me. All right. Thanks for having me. Yes. And of course, Andrea generally needs to be safer. Layers of security around universities is not normal. Having the air force and the army and the police and the NSCDC garden, you know, educational structures is not normal. But that's what we need in this time. It's still not normal. You know, I don't think we, I think in Nigeria it needs to be safe. You know, safe enough for people to go to school and go back home. But desperate times, hope for desperate normal measures. I mean, if those soldiers were there when, you know, those insurgents struck at the Federal College of First Americanization. The story, the story it may have. When their base was attacked, they were there, they were on. So it's not, that's not normal. I don't think we should, I don't think we should allow our country to get there, where we now need to have layers of security guarding universities. It's definitely not normal. I wouldn't send my child to school in a place like that, that is guarded by, you know, security forces. Hell no. Even though others will claim that will make them safer. But yes, I get your point. Well, I also saw a video over the weekend of someone who was talking about dogs. I think I shared that video on our platform, that they need to get dogs to guard schools in the North. We'll take a short break when we come back. We're moving into talking of the press. No, actually today in history, the events that took place 26 April, many, many years ago here on the breakfast.