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I this is really the og podcast crew You know, we've always mentioned that Darren was part of it because he wasn't the original plans And he was just bragging about how he's not gonna miss any and he's always He hasn't missed any for a while except for February except for the whole month of February And then he was here for a month and now here. We are in the first one recorded in April and he's gone Think even give me a reason granted. It's better than him just not showing up, but right Hey, at least he told him at least he told yeah, you know, I told me because I told him to come up with topics I'm so busy today. I was working on prime news. I'm like, dude I need you to come up with the podcast topics and he's like By the way, I'm not gonna be there actually Yeah, so it's gonna be kind of a short podcast probably the shortest podcast in podcast history Not just because I didn't have a ton of time to prepare topics this week my bad But it's just been a hell of a busy week I don't know if there's really a whole lot of I mean, yeah, there's a lot of news Oh, there's a lot of news there. There's a ton of topics we could be talking about. I just Don't I just feel like ranting. Yeah, and I want to do it on a live stream I'll technically this podcast is alive is being live short $10 backers and up on patreon, but It's a podcast a pre-recorded. We consider it to be so the rant Maybe we'll talk a little bit about at the end, but most of you guys are gonna get it through a live stream later so This is just one of those things that I just don't feel like having a super long podcast Basically the reason why we're not yeah, and we have so much news that we're actually behind on we have to get up at Nintendo Prime done that right so there's that too. Yes, all right So let's just get into the only two topics that we have for sure and then we'll see if there's anything else I mean, I have one for the other one. Okay, just don't want to get your opinion on it All right, so the first one, you know what? We're not even gonna go do a topic run now with only two topics Yeah, was it a rundown right so let's just get right in that first topic and it is that there is an emulator now able to boot up games Certain retail switch games right now. They showed off cave story and Puyu Puyu Tetris What I actually want to wonder here is what are your thoughts on emulation? Because a lot of people are not happy. This is already starting right right night. I get both sides of the story I think it's cool in the aspect of as a designer myself, you know it the idea that you can Do this and have it be this close to you know launch and stuff like that and these games aren't extremely old So the fact that you can actually have these boot already is kind of impressive And that may mean that we may be close to getting you know, maybe some triple-a titles Which is would be really weird, but Mario Odyssey. Yeah, everyone's waiting. Yeah, right Mario Odyssey 4k, you know breath-the-wild 4k Breath-the-wild they've already done that with Wii U. They have the Wii U version runs on the scene you emulator You can run that at 4k you can run it at 60 fps. They should have a multiplayer mod for it now Okay, they've put Shrek into the game. Well, then they've changed they've changed Lincoln to Sonic Then I should probably go back and fix my article But you know I Get it and I get why people are mad because you know these are You know games that are being created by certain companies and You know that the emulation thing it you know as long as the games are out I don't see as big of a problem, but if you start kind of coming across games that I mean What are the chances that you're gonna Emily in a game? That's not out yet But well like like when Pokemon son of moon leaked right like people were playing that on emulators Illegally exactly for the game even came out. Right. Um, see now stuff like that. I understand where people get mad with that Well, yeah, that's understandable and and no one's gonna be more mad than at that time game freaking Nintendo because it's like Okay, are people gonna go buy the game now that they've already played it, right? Where these these emulations now I Well, these right now are relevant Yeah, it's just like so we're got we have our foot in the door So now let's see where it goes from here, right it I so I can see both sides. I really didn't I don't know if I made myself My you know arguments, but I Can see both sides. It's well I think the primary reason people get upset is Forget if the game is even already out fans in general tend to side with the companies and that They get upset because they view emulation as a means to play games without buying them Mm-hmm, and so they're worried they're concerned isn't so much for the bigger games like zelba and mario Like whatever those games are going to sell but say you have an arms to come out and instead of it selling over a million units Like the first one did it only sells five hundred thousand because there's five hundred thousand other people who just playing an Emulator instead yeah, or didn't get it through the are playing on emulators downloaded illegally, right illegal in the United States So It's a really weird thing for me because I Like emulation mm-hmm. I've spoken in the past so much I'm against it, but I'm against emulation in the sense that you have downloaded around and Played it like in the United States whether or not you own a game It is illegal to download around that is the guys we have lived under for a long time now I live in the United States. This is United States based channel I know in Canada and some other countries as long as you own the game you can download the ROM It's not illegal and in some areas they don't have any laws decided yet But you in the United States the only way to legally own a ROM is to create it yourself And not many of us are creating the ROMs ourselves It's a very tiny part of the community that dumps the games and then puts it on the internet And the active even putting it on the internet in the United States is illegal They can ever find the people who are literally putting it up on all those download services They would be in big trouble and some have been caught in the past, but it's pretty rare, right? They've realized by now VPNs and oh god Like if you're going to do something illegal like that you there's a very easy workarounds to hide your Well, I'm not to mention you just hop out of the country for a little bit and pop it up on a Lot of people dumping ROMs are probably not gonna be like, you know what I gain zero from this Let me spend a bunch of money to cross borders They could go on vacation especially when you could literally just use a VPN service and be in any country you want So The thing is I'm against Basically what 90% of people who emulate games do and that's download games. They don't have and play them Even on old emulators like even when you're talking about SNES and and any ass like all those games are You know, they're so old who cares anymore like Nintendo cares. They still sell them Mm-hmm. So if you could still buy the game in Some form somewhere, you know not from like a used game store But I'm talking about like from Nintendo in some way or from square or from yeah, or whatever Then absolutely you should not be downloading a ROM. You'll be able to play it that that's always been my opinion But on the other side of things like you and there's obviously the programming side and all that but It's one of those things where Okay, breath of the wild is playable in 4k and 60 FPS right now. That is amazing Mm-hmm. I have what I have not done it, but I have watched videos of it on YouTube and I'm like holy crap So I'm one Odyssey that way. I want Mario plus rabbit kingdom battle that way I won't fire on the warriors that way. I will every Nintendo game. I want that right exactly Like let's just boot up ultra sun ultra moon toss it on on there and make that in 4k for some reason I'm maybe I'll try it out then like yeah It's one and that's just 4k like there's so many different mods You know texture mods and lighting mods and like it basically opens up the game to anything that you Happens a PC games in general with modding right and to me doesn't be hilarious. Yeah She's good. You're gonna live there. So I need something to drink in it. Yeah, I don't have anything prepared this time Oh, we don't have any. I'm literally nothing out right now drink. Yeah. Yeah. Well I was gonna say well, well, it's here. Yeah More than you're cutting all this out by the way Nah, not my throat. Nah What oh But there's so many cool things that happen with with mods like that excites me about the the community, right? and I just I don't know what what where I really stand on all of it because I Guess if you're doing it completely legal, I don't have a problem with it if you own a switch And I don't even think you need to own a switch technically but in order to dump it You have to own one so it is what it is But if you own a switch and you have say Super Mario Odyssey and you dump that around yourself and you're playing it on an emulator That's a legal emulator, which means it's using fully custom code. It's not taking code from switch Mm-hmm, and you're able to do whatever the hell you want. Why would I bother me? Why would any of us care that when people do that? Mm-hmm? They already bought the game They didn't put it up on the internet. They're doing all this stuff themselves. Maybe they're sharing videos of it online But who cares right? I don't I don't see a problem with that Maybe they're sharing the mods online, but not the actual rom because usually the mods you have to have the rom to use Right, right like that doesn't matter to me But the instant reaction every time I talk about this or when I talked about homebrew and hacking Is that just so many Nintendo fans especially are like no This is the end. It's gonna destroy the platform. It's like They're destroyed DS It was way worse on Nintendo DS. Did it destroy 3ds? It's been really bad on 3ds as well and yet the sales of DS and 3ds are fantastic The sale of the games are fantastic. It hasn't really negatively impacted things and it's one of those things where I feel like as fans We've kind of bought into the corporate stick and Nintendo's corporate stick has always been They've even said this publicly I think it used to be listed on their website even that emulation and piracy are the biggest threats to gaming today And I understand that stance as an overall company if I if I worked at Nintendo Obviously, I have to be against all of this right, but it's also one of those things where I Don't think it's really that big of a community doing it to be honest, right for sure I think more people are upset about it than there are people actually doing it Mm-hmm, especially on the newer systems Especially when we're talking about an emulator here for switch that dude Odyssey ain't gonna be playable on this thing for the next four years Right probably. I mean emulators for Wii U can't even play most of the Wii U games yet Emulators for the 3ds can play a huge chunk of the library, but not everything and not everything perfectly Right, it's one of those things where emulation is not perfect anyways So it's really kind of this niche community that really does it doesn't mean that niche community doesn't include Primarily people who aren't buying the games. Yeah, but it does mean the community is so small that it hasn't really shown an impact on sales I mean all of the Pokemon games have been pirated to hell over the years and Yeah, the Pokemon sales last I checked are still averaging 15 million plus of her generation So it's like sure. Why are we so worried about it? I? I Understand part like I said I understand part of the the the thought for a process behind it but Whether it's actually gonna come true or not that's more likely not gonna happen But the whole thought process behind thought process behind this is the end of the system because oh Partial, uh, you know emulation I understand the thought process of you know the whole You know this could impact sales, but if it hasn't shown in the past impact sales Are we? Should we be this worried? That's that's the thing well The thing is is a lot of people will bring up things like the PlayStation Vita or the PlayStation The more so the PSP the PlayStation portal where it had tons and tons of sales of the system So 80 million units, but the games didn't sell that well. It was pirated to hell And the thing is that kind of piracy is even different than emulation because now we're talking about something else We're talking about taking ROMs and running them locally on the system That's not considered emulation at that point. That's just piracy straight-up piracy And I feel like we need to make a distinction between that and emulation right emulation is completely different emulators are legal It is always illegal to take a ROM and put it on your on your system and Play it unless it's a you know unless obviously you bought it at the e-shop or whatever So I think we do need to make that distinction as well We really should not consider people who are pirating games to play on the system Through homebrew or whatever versus people using emulators. I feel like those are two completely different crowds Right, I feel like that is what was so upsetting I think when Pokemon moon leaked is that when Pokemon moon leaked people were pirating that locally on 3ds as to play Versus just emulated. Yeah playing it on a PC somewhere doing yeah stuff like that. Yeah, no That's all right So it is what it is I'm actually really curious in our audience thoughts on this I know a lot of you guys thoughts already are gonna be f this f that who cares about it This is really bad and you're gonna give me all the reasons that's bad And then you'll have the one or two people tell me all the reasons. That's good I don't you know, and some people already get even mattered us for drawing attention to that This is happening. Why you've been talking because it's news. It's not just that it's news. It's that It's part of the gaming community. We can't just ignore that it exists Yeah, I don't think it's proper for us regardless of your stance to be ignorant on this You like if you are staunchly against it Do you honestly understand why you're staunchly against it or is it just because Nintendo said so yeah Like do you actually have you actually done the research to know and the more you're educated on it? The more well-rounded your thoughts will be and maybe there's plenty of evidence to support your thoughts I'm sure but you should know what that evidence is instead of being like Oh, let's just not even touch on these topics like we're at Nintendo Prime We've never been afraid to criticize Nintendo. We've never been afraid to touch on specific topics, you know, whether they're attacking youtubers or whether or not they're Making shitty policies like we've never been afraid to cover the wide gambit of things So why would we be afraid to talk about ROM and emulation hacking me right? It's part of the community Yes, and we don't talk about it so much that I feel like a majority of our audience is gonna be that crowd Like no, that's like if you want to find a big crowd for that go to go to websites like gba temp and stuff like that Like that's you know, you're gonna find a lot of hackers and modders at places like that But not I mean right this is just we talk about news we talk about topics we create original content and So far nothing we have done or created has been based around hacking and emulation It's just something that happens So we talk about it as progress is made because I feel like it's an important thing that we should know We should know that this is happening even if you're against it You should still not understand that it's going to happen right and you can't and you can't stop it Like there's nothing we can do to stop it from happening. So we should have a discussion So I actually want to have this discussion with you guys. So go off in the comments and we'll uh, I mean At least I will try to go back and forth with some of you guys on this because I'm torn I'm one of those guys. I'm on both sides of the fence I really love the custom stuff the legal way to do it But then also I realized a lot of it exists for piracy and I'm right and I'm out for that Well, it's I understand both sides and I'm for both sides I'm constantly arguing with myself in my head over it But one thing for sure We're gonna continue to cover here at Nintendo Prime as progress is made and here's the thing Progress updates don't come very often for the stuff. We're talking like when there's a major update once a year so right um, I just want to kind of touch on Kind of rehash a little bit of my my I think as a dev as a dev I understand the work that goes into both sides of it. So that's kind of it's Crazy the amount of work that these guys have put in To even just have this boot to a menu. Oh, that's that's just absolutely crazy and amazing 100% custom code and it's amazing can't use any other code from switch, right? But at the same point time I also know how much time and energy that these devs have put into the creating the game as well So that's I think the major part of why I think it's you know There is a terrible part of it is because these people have put so much time and effort into that game That that's the part that makes me the most angry when it gets pirated For sure when it's emulated, you know, they say emulation is the most sincere form of flattery. I mean, I guess, you know, why not but But I and both sides have put in so much effort and work that It just amazes me It is it is truly amazing So again, let us know what you guys think about it and maybe we'll have future conversations on this based on your guys's remarks Let's move on to our second topic might not be our last topic was the only planned topic we have Pax East has been happening around the time that we're recording this and There's been a lot of games being shown off for switch that many of us have been wanting to see for a long time The fact that this is how we're seeing it actually feels a little weird. Let me give you an example Dark Souls remastered Wolfenstein to the new Colossus crash insane trilogy We're seeing off-screen docked footage of this all coming out of Pax East that I feel like we should have gotten a Nintendo direct Like right actual like the actual game footage. Yeah off-screen So we're seeing it for the first time and we're seeing there's a whole bunch of other games as well And what I'm actually wondering here are what are what are our thoughts overall on switch continuing to get trip relay games in the future? because We're seeing some pretty impressive stuff. I'm pretty impressed by what we've seen Wolfenstein 2 actually looks a little bit better than doom did back in the day and There's actually rumors going on out there now about PlayStation 5 Possibly landing this year next year. So So in wake of that in wake of seeing these games running on switch Like what do you think is the future landscape for triple-a games on switch? I? I Honestly, don't know why you wouldn't bring it if you weren't if you're like an independent Developer or even you know just some of these other major developers that aren't Nintendo I don't know why you wouldn't bring your game to switch It the consoles portable. It's It's it's You know heavy-duty You know can't actually it's been shown to play triple-a games So I don't know why you wouldn't want your game on there. Why wouldn't you want it not as many platforms as possible? Is is my thought? I understand, you know the whole Possibly having to have a multiple code bases and stuff like that, but limitations yep But there's also the whole thought process like save PlayStation 5 comes out and you still have xbox one X position for parole in the market Some developers just want to work at the best of the best Mm-hmm, and they want that they have a certain visual style certain physics engine a certain whatever They want to do that requires more power than switch has mm-hmm So to them sometimes they don't want to have to put on quote dumb it down to fit on to switch, right? And like I feel like I feel like the reason we haven't seen triple-a full support jump on board yet is because of that kind of a Look we understand these other platforms. They're way more powerful. We really don't want to dumb down our game We don't want to see our game ever run at sub HD on switch, and that's probably what would happen. That's what we've seen happen The thing is is These games that they're showing off now look really good. Dark Souls remastered looks phenomenal Granted, it's an old game remastered not the greatest example, but Wolf of Sin 2 is a current-gen game, and it looks amazing I I'm just not really sure where the future of triple-a is if PlayStation 5 is coming so soon because like it or not Sony is the market leader for home consoles great and what they do Developers tend to follow even when PlayStation 3 was $600 and no one was buying it their party developers kept supporting the platform They're kind of with Sony, you know, they're like tied to him Yeah, what Sony does they feel is the way the industry is gonna go so I Do worry a little bit. I think if you know, I'm I don't think PlayStation 5 is coming out this year By the way, I think a lot of I think dev kits are definitely out there I think a lot of dev kits are out there, but If Sony's being smart dev kit should be on the market over a year before you release the platform Right give developers time to experiment and get their games on there So we're trying to rush it out get used to the so I really don't think we're gonna see it till next year anyways, right at the earliest, you know 2020 probably is a better bet but next year at the earliest and Especially says it's being based on GPU architecture that isn't even publicly available yet, right? So right now I feel like they're good. They have to they have to have a certain price range. Keep in mind Do it can't go past 500 Good God, it's not even I'm sick. Mm-hmm. I eat little sunflower seeds and drive my throat out. Yeah Wine is apparently not doing the job. Oh get something no Martin I apologize For a really short podcast mark, you're gonna have to do a lot editing. I'm sorry Yeah, so it's I don't know I Find myself a little more concerned than I was a week ago With PlayStation 5 rumors out there and granted the rumors so it is what it is, but Switch has not really seen full AAA support yet and I'm willing. I'm like I'm not giving up on it yet I think e3 is gonna be really telling if at e3 We don't get all these games announced for switch like Madden and in a new FIFA and Call of Duty and like all the big dogs assassin's cream Whatever like if these games aren't enough for switch then it's like okay Switch might be more like a Wii U where yeah in this first year or two. It's getting some late ports of games But that's that's all you're getting sorry. That's gonna be a part machine and And an indie a port nendi machine and and one Nintendo first party I mean, that's that's a concerns that people have and I feel like game shown today like as great You know as these games are looking at packs. They're still just old parts. Mm-hmm So besides Dark Souls remastered. They're just old for well for sure. So that also means then The reason why the reason why they probably look so amazing is the fact that they are You're comparing them against older games Sure well the thing is like as I said the most impressive ones obviously Wolfenstein came out last holiday That's really not that long ago. Right. It's definitely current gen and it looks really really good I'm hoping it sells well because it's Unfortunately despite the game getting really good reviews. It just did not sell well For whatever reason on the other platform. So maybe people were maybe it's because people were waiting for switch Right, maybe they're like, you know what we want to take that game everywhere. We played doom Fantastic, we were gonna wait and play it on switch That's what I'm hoping anyways because I think that game deserves the sales because I came again. No, there's there's no tacked on multiplayer There's no Microtransaction DLC out the ass. It's it's straight up old-school triple-a gaming. Mm-hmm single-player focused FPS game that doesn't think about single-player focused It's like in a market of its own right Is is like in a market of its own making these single-player used to be used to be a monster market, but not anymore And that's part of it. Obviously too is it doesn't have that replay value I guess for some people. I don't know like here's the thing with people telling me a game like Wolfenstein 2 doesn't have replay value I'm like and Breath of the Wild does Single-player game beat it. Well, well, I have this to go back to doing this So you do in Wolfenstein 2 so instead of taking the same path. How about you try hiding behind this cover? There's things to find and unlock and discover. It's like I Think something I think it's the FPS stigma probably it is people are people like oh, I mean I'm first for sure It has to be multiplayer. I get bored. I'm like, right, right whatever happened. They're just killing Nazis and being happy about it Couldn't tell you I Mean I couldn't tell you that's what this game is. It's a it's an alternate reality where the Nazis won the war and All you do is to spend like the whole game killing Nazis That should just feel amazing on its own and that used to be a big selling point now today It's more like you know, it's good. It's good, but it's capable. I Don't want to say it's It's almost the point where it's been overdone the whole Nazi killing thing. I mean it was in the early 2000s for sure There was like every war game on the planet multiplayer single-player was all about killing Nazis But then it went away for a long time Then Wolfenstein came back out and then obviously we had the recent battlefield one and then we had the Call of Duty Going back tough. Oh Geez. Well, yeah called you the World War two so But again, I did World War two maybe hurt the sales of it. I I don't know like you're talking about a multiplayer game primarily I know there's a campaign in it But a multiplayer game primarily versus a fully built-out single-player experience that is a sequel to a game that sold really really well Right, so I I don't know. I mean I hope this doesn't prove the trend that multiplayer games are just everything needs multiplayer now Unless you're Nintendo for some reason even Nintendo does local co-op for everything, right? No online co-op. Come on Kirby start allies the one thing it's missing. He's online co-op It would be nuts, but it would be fun. It would be fun Maybe it's because they don't have a good voice chat system But yeah, I'm actually really curious in your guys thoughts on what you think the future of triple-a games are on this platform Do you think PlayStation 5 has any effect on it? Do you think? Switches in its own world and we're just gonna get what we get and by this time next year All we're gonna be able to talk about is oh my god switch is getting everything which I hope that's the world That's the world I want to live right exactly and I also want to live in the point where it's getting everything Oh, and we're getting a switch pro More on that in another pocket So the final time is actually whatever the hell we want you said yet something you want to talk about yeah I know it we've kind of discussed this just you and I not Well, if you haven't talked about on the podcast And this isn't really Nintendo related so far it's a three related whatever we want right let's do it so There's I don't know if this is 100% true or not, but from what I've seen it sounds like Microsoft is not gonna have an Actual like major booth at e3. Okay, they are gonna have their own Booth at their Microsoft whatever at in LA sure What do you think of that and is that gonna be kind of something that may spawn off other companies to do something similar or or I think a lot of that has to do with just like EA is not at the EA play thing they do outside So they're not they don't have a huge presence in in the building anymore. It's all outside the building a lot of that has to do One with public access From when they first allowed the public in back in 2016 and then last year and probably this year, it's hell It I mean they're trying to they tried to fix it I think by by limiting, you know when like we're using the public access passes this year basically and our access isn't as As full as it was for like media who get not just early floor access They can be there like two hours before we get right on every day with the last day So it you know they tried fixing it that way to kind of cut down on the crowds for the people They're trying to get work done but it's still one of those things to me that I Wonder if there because there's a lot of there's a lot of interesting things revolving around E3 Where the ESA is considering moving it to a different venue, especially now that the crowds are bigger When it's bad at the LA convention center like dating back to the early 90s like almost from the beginning It's always been here They've tried a couple of different venues, but they've always come back to the convention center. I think that that's part of it is Microsoft and like EA especially when they're outside is like look Because more publics coming we can open this up to even more people The issue obviously doing it during E3 is you start separating things like oh now I have to go over here for EA and then I have to in the building for Nintendo and and Sony and and 2k and whatever Bethesda and then I have to go all the way across town to go see my Xbox and it's just a point where you're making people Have to pick and choose for someone like us not to be deal like if we were you know Xbox Prime or whatever Well, it's great for us right we go to just the Xbox event and we get to skip everything else, right? That's great, but like for you know people like IGN which might not be as big a deal for them Because they have a huge staff, but still it's one of the things now you have to go to multiple buildings And and that kind of becomes a hassle. I think a lot of it just has to do with one There's been an issue with the crowd sizes and to Microsoft just wanting a little bit more control Microsoft themselves is doing some interesting stuff where With their games as a service thing with the game pass. I think they're slowly they're not gonna leave the console space I think they're still gonna have even next generation the Xbox to I think is gonna be one of those super high-end products I think they realize with with exit, you know what we're gonna stop trying to be like this mainstream under box TV We're gonna go for that high-end user. So yeah, PlayStation 5 might get a jump on the market But then X must be able to look we're releasing something that's like twice as probably should find That's just the way it is. We're gonna be the best way to play games on a 4k TV at your house And if you don't want to do that you can see like a game pass and go play it on your PC or heck Maybe switch at that point will allow game pass on there like you just don't know I think Microsoft is focusing more on their services then I'm then I'm so hardware and they'll keep doing hardware Just that just to do hardware just to say they have a box, right? But and plus it gives them a fallback, right? If games of the service crash a bit. Oh crap Well now here's our budget Xbox, right? But I think a lot of it just has to do without changing tides. They don't have a lot of exclusive games Their platform isn't really leading in the market and I think that it's like look we're gonna start cutting back expenses a little bit Do it in our own building which cost them, you know cost of electricity. Yeah, because they're building And and just kind of leave it at that now. Here's the thing from what I saw. They're still gonna be at E3, right? They're gonna have a booth. It's gonna be smaller than it was when we went two years, right? And to me it really wasn't that big. Yeah, but I but here's thing a lot of their floor space was for back-end places So it's kind of like We're like Nintendo has here's your big floor booth and then all didn't even little side booths And that's like they're all their back-end stuff like Microsoft just have one big area So like they had us warden off a lot of that for back room stuff So it was kind of probably maybe bad decision-making on their part They could have probably got some more space their Microsoft they can buy whatever they want, right? And honestly, I'm kind of surprised that if they you know with that second showroom There was quite a bit of open space over there Well, okay, that's second showrooms always because like there's the East Hall and the West Hall, right? I think it's the West Hall where I think so the big companies are at or not all the big companies all the platformers holders And I think it's always been that that one hall is the one hall you want to be in the has Nintendo has Sony has Microsoft That's where you want to be Because that's the big dogs and you can get your games in their booth and you can also have your side You also have IGN in there and GameSpot and all those companies usually have their loose in there as well It's a great place. It's like the best way to go get merch and all the free merch I know I noticed I actually thinking back on it. No, I kind of saw the pattern of you have your your three major console Creators and then your your news media Yeah Having their boots into one thing and then in the other hall was more everybody else game Developers and stuff like that where cuz it was a game student. I know our was there 2k. Yeah, 2k was there WB was there. I mean all in the other smaller. Yeah. Yeah, those are game publishers, right? They were all over there and like that's the way it's always been it's always been that way Like there was still other companies that weren't media in in that area like I'm a razor or something right? Yep, and then the chair company was in there too. Yeah, that was in the smaller Oh in the main yeah, and so like and there was a lot of room in the in the East Hall, I believe You know where the WB in the 2k is and all the stuff were in the really cool custom PCs But like a lot of that is also because one is really damn expensive to buy floor space at E3 It's a problem that's existed for a long time that ESA has just never budged on And I think when you start seeing like even Microsoft starting to cut out EA is not in there anymore Like a huge chunk of that floor used to be taking my EA in there Right. EA is gone. Yeah, and they have no one else to take that floor space It's kind of like they need to start lowering their prices to get a lot more indie devs to come in stuff like that fill it up Right. There's plenty of floor space fill that up, but At the end of the day, I just think Microsoft is just trying to be smart financially and they're still gonna be there that they made it clear on Twitter We're still gonna be at E3 like in the building. It's like that's fine. There's no press conference It's just it is what it is. I don't I think it's just changing tides, you know It's just like Nintendo used to always have press conferences like live press conferences And now it's all pre-recorded video and then Treehouse live right on the show floor Everyone's just kind of it We're in this world of experimentation as everything's starting to move to digital consumption both for like well for all the people that attend E3 a vast majority of people that enjoy E3 are sitting at home watching it on their phones on their TVs and on their computers Game consoles millions upon millions upon millions of people worldwide and I feel like when that's happening that Now Microsoft Sony Nintendo they're trying to find ways to best leverage things To hit the most consumers in the best way they think they can so I think they're less concerned on consumers Who are at the event and more concerned on how can we make this better for people at home? And I still argue to this day the best way is oh if you're gonna have game demos playable there At least some on your platform to play but I know there's a ton of complications to pull that off great man, I don't know it's just one of those things that Sucks to deal with It sucks that we're gonna have less full you know floor time because we didn't get media passes But I'm still pushing really hard to get us a booth to her Trying really really hard. I'm like your media passes. Please We're we're there as media like right trying to press every every person. I know it Nintendo Come on just slip us in yeah, like last day just slip us in. Yeah. Yeah, we don't even have to be You know like whatever spot opens up. Give me a call right? We'll get out of line You know we've been waiting for five hours and we'll get more common. We can just slip in with somebody else They won't even know we're there Yeah, you know I should be like hey, so that hey, I know that YouTube guy. Hey, can we just say we're your cameraman? Yeah, it isn't that oh anyways Is there anything else you want to talk about? No, that was just the kind of the main thing I was just hoping that I'm hoping that this doesn't kind of all of a sudden I still realize that they're gonna have a presence at E3 Yeah, but I'm kind of hoping that this doesn't kind of Where EA was is I don't know where Microsoft's yeah, yeah, it's just right outside right where I don't know where Microsoft's Building is in comparison to the convention center. I'm just hoping that eventually that I think when we were walking around We saw Microsoft building it's it's possible. So but If it's on the other side of town, that's gonna be a pain in the ass Well, as I said, I just think this is all Messaging to EA it's the ESA that they need to get a bigger venue That's more open that can allow more people in and not they need to start treating this like a Paxies or past West where you just need a massive venue that can handle thousands of thousands of people publicly and Has plenty of room for your back private room stuff. Mm-hmm LA convention center I think is fine when when before they open it up to the public now, they open it up to the public I think Everyone knows now we need a bigger venue and no one's doing anything about it, right? I mean to put it this way when you go to an event like Paxies through Pax West You do not have to wait in line for four hours to play a demo. Yeah, you don't you just don't have to do that right and you do have to do that at E3 so it's It's something that needs to be fixed if they're letting my biggest fear is is I think it just hope it doesn't start splintering E3 often to Multiple multiple multiple or everybody's pretty much in their own venue because they're trying to find space and in yeah And things like that, so I'm that's what I'm hoping I'm not worried about it I'm not worried about it for now because for right now E3 is still the biggest event in gaming Despite the fact that games comm is technically bigger in terms of its venue and everything and the amount of attendees, but So the biggest event in gaming and I feel like all this is is just telling Telling the ESA that it's time to get your crap together The ESA is experimented with like two separate E3s before here's our public E3 Here's our media E3 and like as media it's cool to get that access But it's also one of those things that I'm fine If I don't get any special treatment as media because then it's on me to use my media Congratulations to try to get that backroom access That's where you get the skin like all the videos we're seeing out there on all these games are backroom access He's on the show right no sure so that I feel like that's what needs to happen Just a bigger venue don't know where that could be. I don't live in LA I'm not sure how many more venues they have bigger than the convention center where there's got to be something out there It's bigger or and if it not then maybe they need to move it out of LA. I don't know Yeah, I mean I don't think the location is gonna affect much because while LA is a convenient location is Microsoft's like over there But like right at the end of the day. Yeah, a lot of a lot of media stuff are there But they'll travel or you know, or even though travel the travel travels from Redmond Washington, right? Like you can find even you can stick in California if you have to go San Francisco or something, right? Well, you can find venue bigger or even even then maybe the ESA just needs to even just go right outside of LA and build their Own convention center. They're not gonna do that. Well, they're not gonna do that You never know. They just says that the ESRB under their wing and everything else MPD stuff They they ain't got that kind of money. They are they have money. I'm but I'm sure if they'd ask I'm sure some of these game companies might know anything. No, these game companies pay the ESA for the privilege to even be there That's true. Yes. It's not knocking at Nintendo's door. Hey, come to E3. They're like, yeah E3 where's our money for your floor space? Yeah, that's true Yeah, no, the ESA is a greedy as hell company, but you know what at any company that's for profit is well, right? Even companies that aren't for profit probably are This guy digging those financials. Oh the CEO is still taking home $2.3 million non-profit Let's go do I don't have anything else to talk about. I don't think you do either So again, we'll see you guys next week. 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