 People of the internet, welcome to modern day debate. Tonight we are debating is Disney woke or Harman kids? We have James Hake of the Hake Report, Crossing Swords with Mr. Fanatic. Going first tonight, we have Hake. So I will turn the floor over to Hake at his first word. For his first 10 minute opening statement, Hake at your first word, the floor is all yours. All right. Well, thank you, Kaz. And thank you. I never know how to pronounce your name, Kaz. But I appreciate you hosting once again and shout out to modern day debate. And the chat, the live chat people, thanks to Fanatic for joining this discussion. Nice to see you again, sir. I am James Hake of the Hake Report. And I say that indeed Disney is both quote unquote woke, which is to say asleep, dead, spiritually dead. And they are also targeting the kids. And they've really always done that. But I think they had better intentions and actually a better foundation in the past. And they've really lost that foundation. I bet that Walt Disney would be rolling in his grave right now at what's going on with Disney right now. When you look at how the company is responding to this so-called don't say gay bill that the mainstream media calls it and everybody's calling it that, it's really the parental rights and education bill over in Florida. It's kind of a case in point that Disney has just like the rest of the so-called entertainment world and education world, they've really lost their way. They want to push an LGBTIQ so-called inclusive agenda on the kids thinking that they're helping kids and protecting kids, but in actuality, they're hurting children. And they're setting a bad example. I saw that the CEO of Disney, Bob Chappick, who's like in his 60s, supposedly family man, married, has children and he apologized for his silence because he's being pushed around by the mainstream media and the more squeaky wheel radical employees who are at Disney. Disney's a big company and they're influential in the world. They've been that way for decades and that is a target that is attractive to evil people. Evil people are attracted to power and influence because they want to push their evil agenda on the world. And that's what we're seeing. They have employed, this guy apologized for his silence on protecting children and not pushing the gay agenda and transgender agenda on young children. In actuality, I think that that bill, the law that DeSantis signed into law, the governor of Florida over there. I think it's only controversial in that it doesn't go far enough. It should be kindergarten through 12th grade. It shouldn't be, that mess shouldn't be pushed in schools or talked about in schools at all because it's vulgar, it's indecent and it is harmful to the young people. And it only goes kindergarten through third grade. So like eight year olds, seven, six, five year olds are not gonna be subject to like radical homosexual like kindergarten teachers who now relevance that he can't be at, he has to keep the kids at arm's length and not share his degenerate lifestyle with the five year olds, it's insane. That's literally an article that I read in The Hill. They were acting like, oh, this person has to suppress himself. In honesty, I think that the LGBT people, the people who are caught up in that mess, they should go into the closet and have, just like all people should hide their issues and have dignity and have respect for the rest of the world. I think the same thing with the PDA type people, the people who are just making out in public, it's wrong. Disney has shown strong support for the LGBTIQ culture. In fact, the Black Lives Matter, black and brown stuff. We saw on IG, Instagram recently, they posted a picture of Mickey Mouse, the Mickey Mouse silhouette, but with the rainbow and black and brown stuff, which is supposed to include people of color and the LGBTIQ agenda. And it's misguided. And I think that it's because at Disney, they have allowed women to take over in that company and males who listened to women in the misguided women. There was a viral video that came out a week or two ago of an executive over there. I think it was one of the presidents over at Disney. Her name was Kate Carey, let's see, it was Carey Burke. She said, and she spoke on a Disney like Zoom call with a whole bunch of other employees. I am the mom, she's like in her fifties or so. I'm the mom of two queer kids, one transgender and one pansexual, according to her. And she wants to push this inclusivity and pushing this agenda out on other young children. If she's willing to do that to her own kids and go along with evil, imagine they don't care about your kids. They are perfectly willing to push that mess on others. And it's not just her. Disney's diversity and inclusion chief Vivian Ware, this is from Daily Mail, said they are no longer addressing visitors as ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. They now say dreamers of all ages and they don't assume that little girls want to be called princesses. So they're trying to say, oh, it could be a transgender you don't want to assume the gender. So they're falling for this delusion of inclusivity. And I say that this also started, there are many other cases of these people who are pushing this stuff. The coordinator talking about including queer stories and getting into all the nuances of their lives. Who is this coordinator guy, I don't know what he is. A Disney exec said that the team implemented a not at all secret gay agenda. And that's a quote, according to the Daily Mail. So it's pretty out of control. But I think that it may have started because they don't have a solid foundation on family, real family, Christianity, the real American values of freedom and truth. It perhaps started with their secular notions of quote unquote love, romantic love. And they push that in practically all of their famous cartoon movies. And I think that they strayed away from everything else. Disney has long been known to be very non-offensive. And now they're taking it to extremes to where they're just offending the Christians and the Christians have to go into the closet rather than the degenerate people. So they're pushing like this harmless idea of romantic love and don't be offensive and all that stuff. But that's female-minded, fallen state thinking where you feel sorry for people who are wrong and then you oppress the innocent or you oppress the people who are standing up for what's right. It's the same, Disney has like now it's become synonymous with a caricature of good values. I think it's kind of like Disney values that the most people have who hate Trump, for example. Oh, Trump is this white, oppressive, rich, top dog guy and he's racist, but they just have a caricature of him. In reality, he's a hero, but they turned him into a villain kind of like what they did with this Gaston guy over in the Beauty and the Beast cartoon, which I learned about from a guy named Heccoff Cami or whose channel was called Heccoff Cami. And you look at the results, you look at the young girls who went up through the Disney, the Mickey Mouse Club, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, I think that Hannah Montana girl, Miley Cyrus, they've all come out degenerate and maybe you can't blame just Disney for that but Disney has certainly gone right along with that degenerate culture and become unoffensive and sometimes you have to quote unquote offend people because the truth has become offensive and there are like conspiracy theories and in some cases it's not really conspiracies where young talented animators and drawers and all those people who are involved in the stuff, in the production of this stuff are putting little messages and things like that or being a little risque and how they present things and I think that some of that does get through and get into people's psyche for sure. So Disney is targeting kids and they are this quote unquote woke which is to say they think they're awake but really they're asleep, they're dead, morally. All right, thank you so much James Hec and we will go ahead and kick it over to Mr. Fanatic for his 10 minute opening statement at your first word, sir. There's no way to go 10 minutes. Thank you guys first off for having me. I'm pretty happy to be part of this discussion. I wish there was a better topic for my first time talking with modern debate but either way, I would say regarding Disney, Disney is a private company and private companies we've given them like certain freedom to operate in a certain way and I think freedom is a right that is paramount for everyone in businesses as well. I think to restrict freedom it requires a decent amount of evidence of some sort of like pernicious harm, right? Appealing to like vague agnostic conspiracy theories about Britney Spears and I mean, I don't even know how to name all this stuff and then trying to encroach on a thriving business is absurd. I think personal decisions are way different than societal decisions and like societal prescriptions and I think this is where Haik and I totally disagree. While I would be cautious about like exposing my children to like anything Disney related, I would almost never try to limit Disney's ability to broadcast or to have their influence on anyone else, right? I feel like I have an obligation for the things that I want to put in front of my face and the things that I want to put in front of my children. I think if I, I think I can see some things that I would say that are inappropriate and a lot of times we've like used phrases like parental discretion is advised. Discretion means that some parents might see some harms and other parents might not. I love freedom. I think that's part of being an American and as an American that loves freedom I think once we start getting into Disney is evil and yadda yadda yadda yadda and we'll probably get into this more in the conversation where it's about like well, in reality we shouldn't be showing Disney to kids there shouldn't be anything in all of these things. And when we start getting into prescriptions for what other people should do is it's gonna become really pretty toxic. I really feel like I understand what motivate take in a lot of ways because he claims to be a Christian and I would say as a Christian, if I really want to change things I think it's the way to do that is by being a true Christian and demonstrating like the love of Christ by my life and the way that I live. I don't think it's you do so by judging and condemning other people or looking down on everyone who doesn't know Jesus Christ as a personal Lord and savior. I think if really what you're seeing is something problematic in the world it's probably and you want to fix that. I mean, I think the Bible gives you plenty of examples of how to do this and I just don't see any of those examples in your life. Instead what we see from Christian people a lot of time from specific churches and things like that is this outward condemnation of like other people who are not living the way that they want them to. And I think the Bible is pretty clear about taking the mode out of your own eye before you or the beam out of your own eye before you can take out the mode out of someone else's. And I think when you're a person that literally hates the homeless and believes that we should just let them starve despite scripture after scripture telling us to feed the homeless and to be a caring society and a caring people. I think there's plenty of beams in your own eye that you probably need to work on first. And then regarding this thing I think the media lied about the 50% thing. And when they said something about they were going to be increasing the output in the production of LGBTQIA whatever characters that are represented in Disney by 50%. That is not the same thing as trying to increase the output or presence of total LGBTQIA characters in the thing in Disney by 50%. And I think most of us know the difference between increasing production by 50% and increasing output to 50%. And I think the problem is that a lot of people don't. I think most of us here can understand that. And I think Hake is one on the side of people that probably doesn't know that difference. And I think that's what makes these conversations really difficult to have because comprehension is so incredibly low on some sides of conversations. So then before we can even get into the nuance of the conversation I realized that we're already just missing the mark on almost everything comprehension was. 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Secondly, if you wanna ask me if Disney is woke, I need to know what you mean by woke. I would assume, because I'm not trying to be bad faith here, I just gotta make sure we're working with the same definitions because there's gonna be all sorts of things that flow downstream from that. I would assume you just mean that they are politically conscious and trying to side with, yeah, I don't know, woke is just too nebulous. I see that too hard. I know I have a feeling of what that word means, but I know how nebulous it can be applied and both sides, both Republicans and Democrats use woke in totally different ways. And some mean it as a positive thing and some mean it as a negative thing. So I need to know what do you mean by woke? Okay, I'll tell you what I mean by it, but I wanna know what you think. If you ever use that term woke, would you use woke to describe what Disney is? I don't really use that term, being honest. It's not part of my addiction, but not really. Okay, and are they targeting children? Yes, like the primary audience for Disney is children. So like if it's children programs, then quote unquote targeting children, and this is where I feel like we're gonna probably need to get into more nuance there because I think to say that they're targeting children almost sounds like they have negative intentions and they're aiming it at children, but to say that they are aimed at children, it's a children's, yes, it's the children's thing. It's like a game that's for kids five and it up, right? Like it's something where their primary demographic is going to be kids. It's literally designed for kids and so on and so forth, but in order for you to like when you start saying targeting it starts sounding like there's all sorts of negativity like loaded into that. Okay, yeah, and I would agree that many of them probably don't have quote unquote negative intentions, but as we both know, the road to hell is paved with quote unquote good intentions. A lot of these people couch their, and maybe they sincerely believe it, they're sincerely this diluted, they couch their criticism of the parental rights and education bill that Disney is in the middle of a controversy over about protecting children. We need to protect trans kids. Trans kids are getting targeted by the Republicans because they're not allowed to be their true selves and they're not allowed to, you can't say gay. What, this is a violation of the First Amendment. So there's some of these like Hollywood types. And so whether they're targeting them with ill intentions or not is irrelevant. They're targeting them. And you said that you wouldn't have your kids watch them. And why would you be, why would you be okay with other kids watching them? Watching them stuff? Because I believe in freedom. And I think that the decision to be a Christian and the decision to follow Christ is something for individuals to do. And I'm a Christian, as a Christian, I've always, I was raised in a household that the whole goal was to very much focus on specifically kind of inculcating your children with specific values that were like beneficial for like long life and, you know, for growth and respect and decency and all of these things. And I think being raised in that kind of an environment where there was like a very tight control on like not listening to secular music. We didn't have a television in the home. I realized that it kind of gave me a mindset of being set apart because I recognize that society a lot of times doesn't have the same values that I do, which is totally okay. But I realized that if I'm gonna be a Christian living in a country where there's obviously like a division between church and state, even though that thing can be overridden sometimes and we're living in a secular world. And that means that I'm probably going to like instill very Christian values into my children, which means that I probably need to make sure that they're not being entertained by things that are incredibly secular like Disney. So that's why I would personally make that decision. But the difference is, I recognize there's plenty of things that I'm going to do for my children that I would never ever say everyone else should do. I'm always gonna act within my children's best interest from my perspective, from the life that I wanna live and the life that I'm hoping that they will live as well. So that's why I wouldn't let them watch Disney. What a mess, would you recommend parents not show their kids Disney? Would I recommend other parents? Yeah. I think that's kind of hard because I depends on what their values are, right? Like if they don't have the same values as me, I would never try to impute my values onto other. But that's what Disney's trying to do. And that's what these gay agenda people are trying to do. They're trying to impose their values, their false values on the children. And that's what they're doing with their retaliation against the don't say gay bill. That's about protecting kids from this, sheltering kids to an extent from this agenda. And so they are pushing on kids. So you can be kind of libertarian all you want and say, oh, Disney's a private company. But they're getting, it's without question, it's not even up for debate that they're getting more and more vulgar and indecent. And at one point we used to have some decency laws. I didn't come here necessarily to argue for laws against Disney or regulation of Disney. I just came to point out that they are pushing evil. And it's because they're run by women and they have no moral foundation. You asked, you wanted to clarify what woke is. Do you want to respond to that before we get into woke things? Come on, Hank, man. I feel like, I don't even know how. I don't know how they're run by women. Is the CEO of Disney a woman now? I don't know. I think it could be. I think they come here. I listed off three women. And this guy thinks might as well be a woman. This Bob Chappett guy who's apologizing for not opposing a common sense law in Florida. I don't know where you stand on this law, but this, go ahead. So let's talk about that law really quickly if we can. It's the same way, like again, where this comprehension problem happens and people just falling victim to the media. The fact that you refer to it as the don't say gay bill is absolutely absurd because there's nothing in the bill that says something about not saying gay, number one. Number two, the idea that you actually appeal to the fact, well, it's your first amendment right to be able to say gay shows a total lack of understanding of what the actual bill is even about. I was pointing out, that's the Hollywood people who said that, that's why I mocked him. There was this Hollywood guy who said, Governor DeSantis, this is Ron here. And it was this Ron guy who was in Hellboy or something like that. Some lame old actor who should know better. He's all, don't say gay, don't say the first amendment. Read about it and then run for office. And he's like cussing at Ron DeSantis for signing a bill that protects kids from the gay agenda. So yeah, I agree with you. It's people don't, the left does not comprehend their willfully ignorant. Okay. I think the right does it just as frequently. So how do you feel about Disney up? So anyway, so regarding that bill first off, I think the bill, it is common sense to me. I think the idea that like, and what it was based on where you have these different places, I think Chicago did it. There was other districts that were doing it where they were coming up with policies that specifically forbade parents from outing children to their parents. If a child was saying something like that they were transgender or that they wanted. Teachers, you mean forbidding teachers from outing children to their parents? Yes, it was forbidding teachers and staff and school staff and administrators from being able to tell the parents that hey, your child is like wanting to be a different gender or whatever. And I think that's obviously harmful specifically because of the fact, we probably think it's insane for totally different reasons. I think that the reason why it's harmful is specifically because of the fact that when a child is gonna be transgender, it's gonna require different healthcare, different mental healthcare. It's gonna require, like the environment at home can become kind of toxic unless people understand what they're dealing with and can start like responding accordingly. I think it's a very serious thing for a child to begin questioning their gender. And if a parent is not aware enough to be able to say, okay, well, let's try to figure out where this is coming from. Could this be environmentally influenced? Could this be like maybe, so what do they call it, transgender situation where someone else came out trans recently and got a bunch of attention and it's now motivating another child to happen. We've seen these kinds of things happen where there's clusters of transgender people. So then I think it would probably be healthy for parents to be able to explore this thing and decide whatever is best for their children. I think a teacher, a first grade teacher is gonna have one year with that child, that parent is gonna be with that child, the rest of that parent's life, probably all of that, you know, the next 20, 30 years or so. So then I think the idea that the school... You're breaking up there, buddy. Mr. Phenatic, you were breaking up a little bit. Can you just go back about five seconds? Hold on a second. Do... Hold on a second, we can't hear you. To keep secret from actual parents. Can you hear us? Can you hear us? I can, I can. Can you not hear me? Yeah, I can hear you now. You're coming in better now. Can you go back about maybe 10 seconds, 15 seconds about what you were saying and just go back about what you were saying. Sure, I just think ultimately in a nutshell, parents should be responsible for like these children. They're gonna be with the children much longer than that school is. So then these things are necessary. It's pivotal information. And the idea that you would keep this kind of healthcare information from a freaking parent is absurd. It's a violation of that parent's rights. So I get all the reasons why this bill was needed. But then I think the media's misrepresentation of the bill, I think it's kind of where you start getting into this like haze where people don't know how to properly respond. I think Disney's stance on this bill is completely wrong. I think that bill makes all the sense in the world and I stand with it. But is Disney evil? I don't know how, you'd have to show me where they're evil, but they're just not good for my kids. No, they're definitely evil. But yeah, I totally agree with you. I think that it has become trendy and the politicians, the teachers, the staff in many cases, especially the younger teachers who were brainwashed in this mess. And the media themselves want to separate the children from the parents. They wanna separate the fathers from the mothers because they know that once they divide and conquer like that, they can easily deceive the children and deceive the women. And then males will grow up aimless like this CEO of Disney who's apologizing for something that's totally valid. I don't see how you can say that their weakness is evil. That's something that you, or weakness opens the door ushers in evil. So Disney, I think you would agree that Disney is weak in getting this bill is in opposing this bill, for example, among many other things that they do. How do you just, I don't know how you describe that as strength. Do I think it's a bad position, sure. It would be, it's weak, it's cowardice. He's being pushed around and he's not standing on strong moral principles. That's by definition not being a man. He's not being a man. How do you know that that isn't that person's genuine perspective? He's a total coward, give me a break. It's genuine or not, that is weak. Okay. Yeah. Man, I can't believe you. I mean, don't you see these people? He's like apologizing for not coming out strong enough. He's like being blown up and buffeted by the waves of public attention. Sure. So again, I think it's really crazy. It's cause it almost sounds like childlike. Like when you start saying things like, oh, the person is weak. It's like, it could just be a thing that he totally agrees with. In other words, if he's like some like super duper hard leftist that like believes in super duper, like whatever the gay agenda is. And it's like, oh, he's just supporting what he believes in. Well, I totally disagree with him maybe on this bill and on probably a lot of things. I don't know if it's a weakness. It's probably just a difference in perspective. Again, it's all about- Do you think it's strength to be supporting the trans agenda and the gay agenda? If you're one of those people, I don't know that it's a matter of strength or weakness. I think it's just a matter of differences in belief. I don't believe in like some of, some parts of that agenda, but to just say, oh, you're weak for believing. I don't know how we get to that. I mean, I think it's probably better just to more so say that I think he's wrong for supporting, I mean, for opposing the bill, which makes all of the sense in the world, which would be beneficial for both parents and society. I think that's a better position to be at. I don't know why we would have to call him weak. It just doesn't, just seems childish. He's wrong and he's weak. He's not being a man at all. Gotcha. Yeah. Huh, interesting. So you think that it could be strong or weak to be evil? Is that what you think? It can be strong, you can be strong or you can be weak if you're evil. Okay. I get, I mean, I think evil, I think evil is like inherently, is inherently a bad thing. I don't know what, this is just, I don't know, it just seems like such a childish way of describing things. I know that the Bible says specifically this, greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world. So I know that like clearly, like that- So Satan is weak. I would absolutely say Satan is weak, is weak specifically against Christians and so on and so forth. And that's where we start going into a whole nother place. Like do they stand with Satan? Are they evil? Again, all of this labeling stuff just seems like really childish. You should probably be able to have like more productive conversations and we're all talking about. I don't know. You think it's childish. Maybe it's childlike because you have to become like a child to enter the kingdom of heaven. So I think that maybe you have like an intellectual ideal where you're like, you wanna think in a secular way when secular is not what it is. These people are not, these people are not irreligious. Their religion is this gay trans agenda in some cases. In other cases, they're just for power and wealth, which is, I think it's pretty obvious that this Bob Chapec guy is pushed around by a public sentiment or the mainstream media sentiment. It's quite obvious. You say you wanna be the obvious. You say you wanna become childlike, but the Bible says when I was a child, I spoke as a child. I understood as a child. I thought as a child, but when I became a man, I put away childish things. I just wish it would become more of a man and start putting away childish things. I'm not talking about childish. I'm talking about childlike. Because what I said is what you're doing is childish. Jesus, but that's your claim, but I think that you're misconstruing childlikeness, simplicity for being childish. Because the simple truth is Disney's weak and evil and they have women who are through their weakness and through their feeling sorry for the gays and transgender agenda. They're oppressing the kids, thinking that they're doing the kids a favor, thinking that they're training them and brainwashing them in the right way, but they're not. Yeah. How do you think that it's a conspiracy theory that Britney Spears turned out all messed up because the culture is messed up and Disney is part of that culture? How do you think that's, in what sense is that at all a conspiracy theory? It's just plainly obvious on its face. You claim that I was making some crazy conspiracy theory about Britney Spears. Well, so like all of those things that you were saying, it just seems like a little bit harder to like, to really like, do I think that the environment in Hollywood is toxic in several ways? Absolutely. And do I think that that environment probably had an influence on Britney Spears? Absolutely. Do I know that that was the main cause? Not at all. It could have easily been her family system, right? Like, That's what I'm talking about though. Family values. I don't know what all did that. Go ahead. I interrupted you. You were saying it could have been her family. You said it could have been her family and that's what I'm saying. I think the culture has been so corrupted by these false values that Disney has been part of espousing, you know, the fake idea of love. Love is love. Now they're using this romantic love idea to accept, I mean, now I'm several years ago, they were using this love is love thing to say that the same sex marriage is real and a good thing to accept. So that's what, that's what we have where these people are looking for love and she's looked for love in like several different men. She's had children out of wedlock. Her parents were probably raised in these false values as well. So I'm not saying that it's just pure Hollywood that messed her up or Disney that messed her up. I'm saying it's the broader culture and Disney has inextricably been part of that culture in her life and in perpetuating this on generations of children who have lost more and more of their foundation been eroded away by not having morality. Instead, they have this fake idea of romantic love being the end all be all for someone's life. Sure. So I don't think Disney is a religious like institution. And so yeah, it seems like they're probably wouldn't be talking about Godly love. I think love is something that like most people search after I as a Christian, I'm obviously going to believe that God is love. And so I think love only comes from the father. But I think the idea that like other people in a secular society are going to be looking for love in that way. Obviously we know that there can be a secular application of what society calls love, which is going to be different in my opinion than Godly love. But I think, yeah, that's what Disney tends to kind of focus on is a very secular form of love. I don't think people should be looking for Godly love from Disney because they're not a religious institution. I think the same way that Jesus says, we're into Caesar, what is Caesar, we're into God, what is God? I believe we go to church, we read our Bibles, we pray, we have Bible studies, we have communities within like Christian, within Christianity, which kind of reinforce our values and where we share and grow in our faith. But I think like condemning Disney because they're not part of that is I think just kind of stupid. Well, Walt Disney himself, I think he was a Christian man, but you are right. Anytime you go secular, you slide down the slippery slope into hell. And that's what's happened with pretty much every conservative institution, including America itself, which was founded as a Christian nation, God's believing nation. Like you couldn't even have, one of the founders said, I don't think that you could have freedom without morality. Without morality, you have no freedom. I think maybe John Adams said something to that effect. And that's definitely true. And you see people voting away their freedoms and being bribed into voting away their freedoms in many different ways. But Disney too, I think it started out as a fairly decent, conservative, Christian, America-loving, family-loving company, especially maybe Disney the Man. I don't know, but from what I understand, I mean, he would probably be rolling in his grave again, like I said at the start, at what's going on right now. Yeah, from the Jews and stuff, yeah. What did you say? He'd probably be rolling in grave from Disney, like showing Jews and stuff. And I was just making a dig because people always assumed that he was racist. I mean, Family Guy did. That's where I got that joke from. Oh, okay. But in any case, yeah. He was a fair-minded American man. I think they just liked to smear dead white guys. Oh, okay. I don't know. But I will just say that, yeah. Oh, they definitely do. All right, I think they do so more so to black people, but it's fine. I think that- Well, have you seen what they're doing to the Confederate monuments and the other American monuments? They're tearing apart white men like crazy and especially Christian white men. It's out of control. And you think they're doing worse to blacks? Hey, you and I were supposed to have another conversation and I think we can kind of make it about the daughters of the Confederacy, the Southern strategy and, you know, I guess maybe what the- I didn't bring that up. I'm just talking about- Well, you are, when you start talking about specifically these Confederate people, like their monuments being torn down, that's a whole- They're honorable men. I hear you, but so I disagree. But I think we can have a conversation about that at a later date. But anyways, as far as this Disney thing, when you start talking about culture, again, that phrase is too nebulous, especially when you're using it. I'm not even sure you fully understand what it means. And that's a passive aggressive dig, but I'm doing it. Because ultimately culture can mean so many different things. So when you said culture, it's just broad as hell, right? But let's talk about, like, do you mean culture as far as like her family or her community, the state that she grew up in or Hollywood generally, or the business culture that she was a part of? Like, there's just so many different things that culture can mean. And I think that's why, like, it's hard to have a conversation with you because you believe such nonsense that I want to, like, pick apart every individual thing. Because it's like, whereas we are both, we both claim to be Christians, but you barely know the Bible, I think it's really hard to, like, have a conversation because it's like, we have maybe some of the same goals as far as more people, like, accepting Jesus and becoming Christians. But then I think our methodologies are incredibly different. And then our actual, like, intimate belief system starts becoming specifically different. Like, obviously, following Christian prescriptions, like, you know, take care of the homeless and, you know, not judging other people and not condemning all those other things. All right, so you're confused about culture and wokeness. When I say woke, I said that it means spiritually dead. And what I mean by that is they're pushing false values. The culture at large has become degenerate and they're push Disney is pushing this woke thing. And by woke, I mean, and I don't use the term either, honestly, but what I understand it to mean is not, you said something like politically conscious. These people are not conscious whatsoever. They're brainwashed. Woke means believing that racism is a real thing that blacks are the primary victims of it and that whites are the primary perpetrators of this imaginary thing. And woke is also supporting now, supporting the LGBTIQ agenda and supporting feminism and women's, this fake idea of equality. That's what woke means and pushing that on children. So that's what woke means is the LGBT thing, the fake idea of racism and the fake feminism equality stuff in short. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And so that's- So what's the next part? You accept that that's what Disney is? Do I think Disney is pushing the alphabet people agenda? It depends on what you mean by the agenda because there's like different aspects, right? You yourself admitted that they are pumping up and you said maybe the conservatives have an exaggerated understanding of what they mean by it, but you yourself admitted that Disney is pushing the LGBTIQ plus plus A thing into their movies. And I document, I mean, I repeated what the Daily Mail report said and many other sources have said the same thing. They themselves said it. Yeah. So I think here's the deal. So you agree they are woke and you agreed already that they are targeting children. Okay. I think like the idea is- It's a yes or no, man. Hold on. Say yes or no and then explain. Say yes or no to what? Do I think that they're woke again? They're woke. I'm not gonna give you- They're this fake thing called woke and they're this targeting children with it. Sure. So I don't know exactly what you mean by woke. I just told you, man. Okay. LGBT, pro-LGBT, pro-feminism and anti-racist, which is anti-white. I don't know if they're anti-racist. I don't know that they're... I mean, I think that they do do some acts, some aspects of what the LGBTQ agenda is, which is like one being specifically to push for more representation of alphabet people in like media and stuff like that. And, you know, so I think, you know, I guess maybe you can say that that's part of the agenda. So yeah, I mean, again, these terms just don't mean anything. I don't know. It doesn't mean anything when you say it's pro-LGBT, IQ feminist and believing that racism is real and a bad thing. So here's the deal. Like feminist is such a broad thing. How do I know that they're feminist? Women's equality. They have females running the show. They have this- Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Right there, right there. Do you believe that like, do you believe in women's equality? Do you think women should have equality of opportunity? No. Okay. So then, yeah, that's where it is. That's where, that's where, so I guess if you believe- So then you're woke too, are you telling me that you're woke too on the feminism thing, feminism question? I don't like feminism. I don't consider myself to be a feminist. And I think- By their definition, you believe that you are one because you believe in women's equality. I'm an egalitarian. And I think feminism has an entirely different connotation to it than I just don't subscribe to. So I'm an egalitarian. All right. And so because that's an egalitarian, then I do absolutely to think that women should be equal, have equality of opportunity. And I think to restrict freedom from women as we have done in the past is a terrible- You're robotting out a little bit thing. Do you not agree with that? You broke up a bit, but you said, repeat your question, because you broke up a little bit. Say again. Oh my gosh, my internet cut out a bit. Okay. No, I don't think that, to answer his question- I'm sorry, do you- Sorry about that. Am I back? Am I back? Yeah. I think so. Okay. Do you believe that do you think women should have equality of opportunity? No, no. I don't think that that's a valid thing necessarily. I don't think that's a good thing because acting like women really belong in leadership positions and in the workplace, especially when they're like mothers and things like this, I think that they should be filling their own role, filling their role in society, which is to be mothers and to be quiet and not to be trying to be leaders and play competition with the man. I think it's been counterproductive for both them and the men and the children. Okay. When the more power that they get, the less freedom we have, they've voted away, they've been responsible for voting away. When women got the vote over the last 100 years or plus, they've voted in more like so-called progressive people who've gotten rid of more and more and more of the freedoms and more and more and more of our moral foundation. So no, it has not been a good thing to give them the opportunity to vote or pushing this women in the workplace thing at all. Okay. This equal pay and all that stuff, it's silly. So you said one of the reasons that women shouldn't, we shouldn't have equality because women should perform their roles in society, which is to have children. Obviously there are like genetic things and health things that can cause a woman to be barren and not able to produce children. So would you say that those women should be able to be in leadership positions if they so desire? No, they can work, but they don't need to be leading. Why would they? They're not happy in leadership. Nobody's happy with leadership, it's not a good thing. So should a woman and Disney, think about it. Should a woman be able to own or start a business? Yeah, she can start a business. Would that not be a leader position? No, not over a man necessarily. She shouldn't be in a leadership over a man. She's leadership over her own business and life. So then if a woman starts a business and has male employees, you would say that that's wrong because she's in a leadership position over a man. I don't know. Not that interested in that question. I'm interested because it has everything to do with what we're talking about with women's equality. Because that's one of the things. I just said, I don't know. But there's no such thing as equality, man. Wait, hold on, just to be clear. I think you said equality of opportunity. I'm not gonna let you run from that question. To be clear. I just said, I don't know. What do you mean you don't know? It's fine, because we're in an open conversation and it's just the two of us. Take the time to think about it for a second and then tell me what you think. Do you think a woman, I'm not asking do you know, do you believe a woman should be able to start a business and have male employees? Which would apparently be her being a leader over a man in that scenario. Maybe young boys can work for her, I suppose. I don't know. I wouldn't do it. At that point I wouldn't really micromanage the situation because you can still be, we're talking about spiritual leadership and then these women who are making decisions as far as Disney goes. This is like way out of hand. So I don't know what the answer to that is. I'm not truly that interested in it. I'm more interested in the reality of the situation rather than like what ifs and things like that. Because the reality is Disney has President Kerry. Hold on, let me just explain the reality. Kerry Burke is a Disney president, right? She says her own children identify as pansexual and transgender. Is it good for society for a woman like this to be doing that to her kids and then doing it to, trying to do it to your kids but you're protecting your kids? Is it good for society for her to be doing that? I don't know the ins and outs of specifically her situation, but what I can say is if you- Is it good for society? No, I'm not gonna let you run from that question. Is that good for society for that woman to be doing that mess? Literally, you're asking me if I should be, if I should be able to make a decision about a woman's ability- No, I'm not saying make a decision about what she should do. I'm saying in your judgment, is that good for society? I'm not saying, I'm not telling you to tell her, oh quit, I'm telling you to, I'm asking you to say, is that good or is that bad? You're asking me to know whether or not it's good for society for a woman to be in a position or to be in a specific position. And the thing that I'm supposed to be determining this based off of is the fact that her children are queer. I don't know how old those kids are. I don't know the situation that led to their queerness. I have no information whatsoever and you're asking me to answer this question and saying that I'm trying to run from it because it's so freaking nebulous. While I'm asking you something as basic as should a woman be able to be in a business over a freaking man and you couldn't answer that question. If you can't answer some simple question. I answered it. If you gave the weakest answer possible, if you're struggling to give answers. If you're dodging. You're first. Oh man. You're robotting out again. He's filibustering. You're robotting. Just hold on. You're breaking up, buddy. To give basic answers to things like that. I don't know what I do. Can you hear us? I think that when that happens if we both mute ourselves for a second, it might help him. Oh, okay. All right. I think that when he starts doing that, let's just store ourselves on mute and see what happens. Okay, go ahead. Sorry. So I'll just say really succinctly. I don't know of enough about her children and her life situation to be able to make this determination. I don't know who this woman is at all. So I can't make a determination there. That's crazy. Okay. So you don't know that it's misguided for a woman to be pushing the transgender agenda through Disney. And she's so far gone that her children are transgender and pansexual. And you don't know if that's bad for society or not. How old are her children? I have no idea, but she's pushing this in Disney. She's using this to prop up the gay agenda inside of Disney. And you don't know whether that's bad for society or not. I don't know if her children are 18, 19, 20, 30, five, six months, I don't know. So then again, it would be crazy to me. But it's not so much about her children. It's about what she's pushing. She's bragging for her to be bragging and putting it out there that her children are this shameful thing. And to say that in a Disney meeting, in a Zoom call, and it goes out in the media and she's not ashamed about it and she's pushing for LGBTQIA characters, you think that that's, you don't know whether that's a good or bad thing. This is so too nebulous for you? Okay. Yeah. So again- Is this too nebulous for you? So I don't know how old the children are. And I would say that for me to be making an evaluation- How is it relevant? It's relevant because okay, so here I'll give you a perfect way where hopefully that you'd be able to see this. If the children are 25 years old and now they're transgender, she says I have two trends or whatever, or queer children. And they made this decision as adults. Would you have a problem with her being in a leader position just because her children are queer? Or how does that work? I don't know if you're getting this, but she's pushing the gay and trans agenda at her work and she's bragging that her children are these things. She's not saying, oh, my children are this. And I don't think that we should be pushing this. My children went astray. She's pushing this thing. You're ignoring the fact that she's pushing this at Disney for some reason. Okay. Okay. What kind of mother would you want your wife? God forbid you get married and have kids that grow up. And in their adulthood, they seem normal, seem normal, seem normal. But in their adulthood, they turn LGBTQIA. Would you want your wife in a leadership position bragging to the whole world that your kids turned LGBTQIA? I don't know that she bragged about that, but if you can show me where she brags that her kids were LGBTQIA, I'd like to see that. Again, I don't know what that has to do with her. She defended her company, this Carrie Burke woman. Like, I don't know what that has to do with her role. I don't know what that has to do with her role at her job. Defended her company for its LGBTQIA characters and promised to bring more. Wait, is Daily Mail a tabloid? I'm not... Yes, it is a tabloid. It's a trashy magazine, but this report is a true report. Hey, we're supposed to be having a conversation and you're literally bringing up tabloids. Are you doubting the truth of this report? I don't know, because it comes from a tabloid. So yes, I have serious doubts. A tabloid, now you're playing dumb though, honestly. Do you doubt? This is, you're acting silly now. You're being kind of stubborn. Carrie Burke, a Disney executive in charge of content, vowed to up the ante on gender politics during an all hands meeting, promising that at least half of the characters in its productions would be LGBTQIA or from racial minorities by the end of the year. And you said that that's inaccurate, right? But regardless, she's pushing for more LGBTQIA representation. And you think that that's, just because it's a tabloid, you get to reject it or something like that? Sure, I would say that... I mean, they have the recording of her saying this. Sure, I would say... Maybe you should do your homework. Okay, I would say that anytime we start getting to tabloids and things like that, I immediately start dismissing and doubting whatever the thing is, whatever those claims are. But I will say basically, I think representation... She's on video. Does it help you that she's on video doing this? Because you're being really stubborn and unreasonable about this, it's quite ridiculous. I genuinely don't believe I'm being stubborn or unreasonable, but I would say... Yeah, she's on video saying, I have two queer kids, she's bragging. She's proud of this. And one is transgender, one is pansexual, and we're gonna be more on video saying it, on her own video. She's doing the meeting. Okay. Christopher Rufo pointed it out. Christopher Rufo is the guy who's been pushing the... He's on Fox News all the time, talking about the CRT stuff. And you can dismiss him all you want, but it's her saying it. And there are many other cases of these people saying it. Hey, again. So just because you're saying, oh, it's a tabloid, I just dismiss it. You're being willfully ignorant. Okay. I'm being willfully ignorant. So moving past that, I think representation is kind of important, but I do think that if we get to a point of over-representation, I think it starts becoming kind of weird to me. So for instance, I think if you get to a point, I think alphabet people make up about 10% of the population or maybe a little bit less, I don't know. And I would say that maybe then it's reasonable for secular people to probably want to make them make them 10% or a little bit less of the representation in media. But if you start getting to, when you start talking about, oh, I want to increase percent, I want to increase it until there's an over-representation and stuff like that. I'm already say, yeah, no, I'm not with that. That doesn't make any sense. Okay. This is an interesting point that you bring up the representation thing. I'm glad you brought that up again. No, it's absolutely silly for people to have this false identity with the issue that they're dealing with, that they've taken on as a false identity. In fact, I think that the races should overcome their, the blacks should overcome their blackness. The women should overcome their being a woman thing because they want this representation thing. And that's really, it shows a serious sign of insecurity, a serious sign of lack of strong families and lack of fathers to be thinking in this diluted way. You're right that the LGBTIQ is probably up to 10% now and growing because this thing has been pushed. As you pointed out, it's become trendy to be transgender and it's become cool to be so-called gay in the diluted minds of these brainwashed children, brainwashed by the social media establishment and the entertainment world that Disney is a willing, willful part of and led by women like this Carrie Burke woman or whatever her name is. So I think that we should be overcoming false identity and become Americans and Christians and men when we're men and women when we're women. And if you're not Christian, that's fine, but you are in a Christian country. And I think that Christian men like you should be standing against this false identity of the LGBTIQ thing and encourage them to overcome wanting representation because they should overcome their issues and quietly endure them in secret so that they can show some shame, show some dignity to the rest of the world, so show some respect to the rest of the world rather than push their thing on children. So I think as a Christian, what my thing is to talk to Christians and explain to Christians how to be better Christians. And I think outside of that, I think telling non-Christians how to find God and how to get to know God. And I think that's really where my focus is. As far as focusing on what the world is going to do, I know the world is going to be the world. The secular world is going to live in a secular way. And I think they have every right to do that because I think the idea it becomes really problematic if people in power don't agree with me. I bet you hate you would start having a pretty severe problem if Islam suddenly became like the leader and they were in power and they started condemning Christians and doing all of that stuff. You would have some pluses and negatives, honestly, probably. Right, and yeah, sure. So I would say in the same situation, right? Compared to what we have now. Sure, so I would say that obviously we kind of recognize that freedom, and I think maybe this is where we disagree. You and I both value freedom. And I think what the early feminist movement was was fighting for freedom, for women the ability to buy property, the ability to get loans in their name, women's suffrage, the ability to work, and all of these things. This is what the feminist movement was fighting for. And those things were fine. I think now what feminists is doing as far as going as far as like referring, just pushing this narrative of rape culture and literally just, I don't know, they're just going way ham and just becoming completely, completely a misandrist. And I'm not a fan of that at all. So I think looking, since you don't apparently value freedom the way that I do, then we're probably just gonna be at an impasse. I think freedom is everything. And I think giving people the freedom to live as they see fit is absolutely good. I think freedom is a thing given by God. And I think for us to start restricting and impeding on other people's freedom is ridiculous. Unless we're gonna be in our own commune. Like I believe in having, you can have a Christian community and say this is what is tolerable and within our community. And I think all of that stuff is fine, but I think trying to do so broader and secular society is stupid. It's interesting that you think that it's restricting someone's freedom to tell them that they're wrong when they're wrong and fighting to or speaking out to protect children from this evil attack on them. Because when you, while you're valuing this libertarian, law libertarian idea of so-called freedom, they're going after the kids hard. So much so that the rate of the acceptance of the rate of identifying with this LGBTQ stuff is up to like above 10, 20% or so I hear among the younger generations, whereas with boomers it's like 3% or something. So it has gotten out of control while you're clinging onto your false idea of freedom without morality, morality, without you as a man standing up and speaking out on what's right, thinking that you just say, oh, touting, I don't know what you think that you're preaching to the world is gonna do. It's a very strange idea that you think that freedom is improving. Do you think freedom is improving now with all of this stuff being pushed or on the decline? Is freedom on the decline or on the rise in America over the past, let's say 20 years? Freedom to do what? Freedom in the country. Freedom to do what? Freedom to, I don't know, speak, freedom to have, I don't know, you're the one who brought up this freedom thing. You said freedom is everything. Oh, serious, I think freedom is- Freedom to speak, freedom of speech. I think freedom of speech is pretty, I think freedom of speech is like- Is it on the rise or on the decline in America? I think it's pretty much the same. I think you've always had the freedom, but freedom of speech didn't mean freedom from consequences. There are always things that you couldn't say, things that were not tolerated and stuff like that. So I think it sounds pretty much the same to me. That's just naivety, man, because now you have a whole culture where people are being punished for telling the truth. They're losing their job for telling the truth. They're getting kicked off of social media. They're being depersoned. In many cases, their websites are being taken away from them, be platformed in many ways. I think that freedom is definitely on decline. And that's been from that 100 years of women's suffrage, women voting, they've voted in these people and accepted wrong as right. And as John, like again, do you disagree with John Adams that you can't have freedom without God and morality? I think he's frozen. I do think he's frozen. I'm gonna take this test to interject before he comes back to remind everyone that super chats will get priority when we go to the Q and A in a little bit over 10 minutes. So I just wanna remind you guys of that. So go ahead and send your questions in now and tag me at modern day debate. If you don't wanna send a super chat and if we get a chance to get to those, we will go ahead and answer those if we can. But it looks like Mr. Fanatic is back. So I will go ahead and kick it back over to you guys. Just wanna remind you guys that I don't know if you guys have a closing or anything prepared, but I do wanna give Mr. Fanatic the last word at the end of this open discussion. So Mr. Hake went first. So I'll give you guys like a five minute warning when that's coming up. Go ahead. Yeah, I don't know what he means by freedom. I don't know what that sentence means in context because I would need to broader context to fully understand what he's talking about. But ultimately for, I think, because I mean freedom can mean so many things, but ultimately I would say yeah, God is like the center for me and I think God is a center of morality. I think there is objective morality and I think objective morality is found in God for me personally. And I think other people have other moral systems. I think there's one true God and I think that's the only way to get to heaven. But I know that God gave free will and freedom to everyone else to choose. You have a God given right to send your soul to hell. You have a God given right to reject God to reject Christ. So like the idea that freedom is going to be under the scope of morality is kind of absurd because God gave Adam and Eve freedom and then they literally chose to eat the forbidden fruit, right? So then I think freedom in general, yeah, I don't know what that sentence means, man. I really don't know what you're talking about. So you didn't understand John Adams when he said that? And it's a paraphrase not a direct quote. You'd never heard it before? No, I never heard that quote before and I don't know what he was talking about in context there. Okay, yeah, okay. So, well, let me say my last piece and if you need to interject, you can. Disney is part of this, has like Joe Biden, let's say, sleazy Joe Biden, sleepy Joe Biden who's been in office for a hundred years. I'm exaggerating 40, right? He has gone along with the degenerating culture. He has shown a total lack of any moral foundation. He was for the tough on crime, when it went in every now and then, when it's palatable to be tough on crime, he was for so-called same-sex marriage when he read the room and saw that so-called same-sex marriage was the in thing. And so he hasn't been, he has not, he has shorted his duty as a man to stand for what's right, whatever the broader culture wants to do. He was for so-called same-sex marriage before Obama came out in support of it, even though Obama was for it all from the beginning, but he was just pretending not to be. So as Obama, I mean, as Biden has gone along with every evil thing to the point where he's fine with the eight-year-olds turning transgender and all that stuff, so-called transgender, which is a fake idea. So has Disney gone? And indeed, I'm host of the HAKE Report, I'm on Jesse Lee Peterson's network, and another host on Jesse Lee Peterson's network called NickStream, he made the point that I think it's a known study that every so-called conservative American institution eventually gets taken over by its enemies and turns into like progressive and anti-God, anti-Christian, anti-American. And that's what's happened with Disney. You saw it with, I don't know if Joe Biden was ever for anything decent as a younger man, but he never was as a politician. So it is with Disney. They've gone from family-friendly and not offending anybody, American, Christian-friendly, good values to these debased false values that the mainstream media pushes, which is anti-Christian and anti-American, to the woman thinking of feeling sorry for the LGBT people, feeling sorry for the POC's, pushing this fake idea that women can be equal to a man. And so Disney has gone right along with that and it's been, as Fanatic points out, it's been at the expense of children because that's who they target. And they present themselves as this vanilla, safe, you can show your kids. And many parents have been raised on this stuff. They've been raised on these false values of romantic love is the end all and love is love. Yeah, let's accept same-sex marriage. So they're part of this false culture of, quote unquote, love that Fanatic thinks it's fine that we say nothing as the children get led into hell because I'm just gonna protect my own children and be a Christian myself. I think it's a sign of cowardice that men and Christians don't stand up for what's right and speak out for what's right, regardless of whatever the government does or the media does or what's popular in the culture. So that you hold these people's feet to the fire because Disney should honestly be ashamed of themselves. They should probably be looked into for a lot of indecency. But right now we don't really enforce our, our vulgar, our laws against vulgarity. And so we have a society where Mickey Mouse Club members are turning into the example of what not to be, but when they get married, quote unquote, married again or have a baby out of wedlock like Britney Spears recently, everybody celebrates it because we're women and we feel, we feel good about you having a baby out of wedlock. We're gonna reward you for doing wrong because we wanna feel good about you. And that's all that Disney has become, just feel good emptiness. And it's utter weakness, it's evil. And it's doing a lot of harm to society. And it's shameful that guys like Fnatic are too busy criticizing Hake for quote unquote judging people and hating the homeless in his mind for, then to stand for what's right. So that's my closing statement. Yeah, I don't really, I don't very much criticize Hake. I don't really think about Hake very often. I really wish that we were able to have a conversation, but I feel like some people really thrive in a world where they can just kind of say a whole bunch of broad disconnected nonsense. And then like that's where the conversation goes. I asked them for definitions at the very beginning for what wokeness is exactly, what exactly it like is the evil that Disney's doing. For the most part, he was really unable to answer it. He just had like these vague things that he could kind of hint and point at. And I think it really got in the way of the conversation. But if you wanna see like legitimate conversations, I host a panel on Wednesdays where we actually focus on discussion, at 5.30 on the Ask Fnatic channel. And I do a Black panel on Tuesdays. And then of course I even stream my Bible studies that we have with the church there on Thursday nights. I think it's seven o'clock Pacific Standard. And we kind of go into what it is to really be a Christian and study the Bible and try to understand exactly what God would have us to do. I think just focusing on things like Disney and the secular world is just kind of dumb to me. Satan is always gonna be Satan. The world is always gonna do what they do. Secular world is always gonna be secular. But what I can do is control me and control what I do and who I influence and my actions, my children, the way the values that they get. I want my children to be Christian. I want every child to be Christian, but I also recognize that I want every person that I have the freedom to choose to be Christian or not. God could have easily made us without the free will and just made us all immediately worship him. But I think he loves true worship because I don't think anyone in this audience would want to have a partner that they can force to love them. You want love to be genuine and the only real love can be free. It has to be freedom, freedom-based. If someone is forced to love you then it's not love. That's forced servitude. Ultimately, do I think Disney is good for kids? I don't think it would be good for my kids. But again, I don't like making prescriptions for everyone else. I don't think I liked a lot of the programming. I don't think that they really push the values that I think are beneficial. I think, hey, can I agree at that part? But it's just where we think it happens from. It's just totally different. And I think we're just totally different people in the way that we process information as is obviously demonstrated within this conversation. There's probably a lot we agree on about just what Christianity is, about who Jesus Christ is. Our primary doctrines are probably similar. But when we start getting into prescriptions for how we should act, it's where we disagree. If you want a genuine interaction with me, where you figure out what I actually believe, I'm always open to conversations. You can find me anytime on my stream and I discuss all, like anything. I'll answer any questions. I think you'll find that I'm not a person that's like really crazy. I think I'm pretty socially conservative, to be honest with you. I just think hate is so nuts that we can't really have a genuine conversation, despite the fact that we agree about a lot. All right, is that your closing? Thank you so much. All right, guys, we're gonna go ahead and kick it into the Q&A. So let me go ahead and pull up the super chats here. So ladies and gentlemen, once again, super chats will go to the top of the list. We do have, we don't have a terribly long list tonight. So if you do want to send a super chat and now it probably will get read, if you send it in now, if you wait till halfway through the Q&A, then probably not. Let's go ahead and we have a super, well, it's a member message from LordBibi42. He says, so much soy and James Hake is on fire. Nice, thank you LordBibi42. Gotcha. He's accusing you of having soy, fanatic. That's cool. I respect it. Dang. Start the timer. Okay, LordBibi42 also says, he sends $10 for, he says, fanatic, there are no transgender children. There is brainwashing. Wait a minute. Let me scoop this over. This is too big. I'm sorry, one second. There are no transgender children. There is brainwashing by Disney to destroy the innocence of children. Taking a child's innocence is one of the most evil things that can happen. Thoughts? So I do think that it's pretty, I think it's pretty ridiculous to like affirm the transgenderism for young children. I think studies have kind of demonstrated that the majority of children desist being, like the feeling that transgenderism desists for children once they reach adulthood. So I think the idea of like putting them on surgeries or letting them make long-term decisions with their bodies and stuff sounds absolutely crazy to me. I don't know how we're in a world where that's not child abuse. But at the same time, again, everybody has a freedom to do what they want to do with their kids. You know, I just know that I would never do anything. We missed the end of your, you said the last thing we heard was I would never do any. Do I think that children can experience gender discrimination? Do I think children experience gender dysphoria and things like that? Absolutely. Do I think children can have these feelings of like being in the wrong gender and stuff? Absolutely. I think most of the time those things, that will go away by the time they reach adulthood. So, I don't know. You think that, you don't think that that's child abuse to do that to kids for a parent to do that to a kid? I said that. I said that. But you said that you wouldn't prescribe it on a parent not to do that to a kid. Well, no, I would. I would say that ultimately, like parents like allowing children to make really strong decisions that'll impact them the rest of their lives at really young ages sounds absolutely absurd to me. And I think that could be child abuse. I think that's probably is child abuse. Okay, yeah. Because mothers are doing that to their kids. They're not just letting the kids, they're pushing it on the kids. Yeah, I think that's gross. I think it's really terrible for any person to do. Nice. See, you're not so bad. You got a little bit of spine. I hate even saying that around you. You're not totally soy. Dude, the way we both think, that's the way I get there and the way you get there are so different. I feel uncomfortable even saying that around you. All right. All right, let's move on. Next question from Mango Tea, a member for four months, Extra Juicy. James is Disney like JLP because they both brainwash you. Interesting. I don't think that I brainwashed people. If they are brainwashed by the stuff that I say, that's honestly their fault because it may happen because people put somebody up as a leader over them and that's their fault because both JLP and Hake say, do what you want, of course. Think for yourself, know for yourself. We assert what we believe is true but we're not about people believing it just because we said it, but thank you. Gotcha, thank you so much. Next super chat from Mango Tea for 799 says, James, if you think Disney is brainwashing, then Jesse Lee Peterson is also brainwashing. You've sound brainwashed, James. JLP made you look possessed. He made me look possessed. I think I looked possessed before I met JLP. Are you talking about my wild eyes or something? My AOC eyes, is that what you mean by possessed? Mango Tea, but thank you for the support for modern day debate. I too endorse supporting modern day debate. No, because Disney has pushed this fake idea of love. They've pushed lies, JLP pushes truth and he's not about brainwashing people. He's not about it, but anyway, I already covered that, know for yourself but thanks Mango Tea. All right, another question from Mango Tea for 299. James, is Jesse Lee Peterson a homosexual? No, he is not. Inquiring minds, wanna know. Yeah, Mango Tea sounds like he's an evil person or she. Maybe he's the one who's brainwashed by Disney. Another question for Mango Tea for 299. Is Jesse Lee Peterson a hypnotist like Disney? No, a hypnotist. I don't think so. I do believe that all people are hypnotized and they don't realize it. They're under the influence of Satan or God, right? So in that sense, people do get hypnotized by influential people, whether they're decent people or indecent people. But again, that's a decent person would push for you to wake up and know for yourself. Gotcha, thank you so much. From Lord Bibby, 42 for $10 says phonetic. Of course women are allowed to start a little business but from my own witnessed eyes, a lot of them have a hard time keeping employees because they aren't leaders, thoughts. And I would need to see some numbers for something like that. But I think already just the fact that you believe that women should be allowed to have a business means to own a business sounds like you kind of agree with like first way feminism, though I'm absolutely not a feminist, but I think like these are freedoms that they didn't have at one point. And this is why feminism was necessary or at least maybe not the feminist movement because that was gross, but maybe just some advancement of civil rights for women. That was obviously necessary. Terrible. Gotcha, thank you so much. From Lord Bibby, 42 for $5 says, Hicca mania is running wild brother. Happy birthday, James. Wasn't the birthday the last time you were here? Yeah, it's my birthday year round. It was my birthday in July and I celebrated a little bit too long. So it became a meme and they've been saying it. But thank you for the birthday wishes. Your birthday is cat. That's what it's going on here. Okay, I'm 40. All right, from pseudo-nim for $5. Hicke, good job. As a Christian, can you let us know where to find these Christian women that know their place and need to be disrespected immediately? Bible study? Love what's right? No, not the Bible study. Bible study may be perhaps the worst place. Every now and then you may find it. I don't think you heard the end of the question. Okay, go ahead. Where do we find these Christian women that know their place and need to be disrespected immediately? Bible study? Bible study? Disrespected. I don't think women need respect. They need love. Where we find the women that don't want respect? That don't want respect. I love what's right and they will appear if it's meant for you to be married. Gotcha, thank you so much. Nice. And from Gilberto Inonio. I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that last name right. I'm so sorry. For $5. James Hake and Jesse Lee Peterson have skeletons in the closet? Question mark? Nope. Oh, yeah. Sure. You keep your issues in the closet where it belongs. It's called being decent. Well, a great man once said hypocrisy is an empty accusation. Yeah. Questions for possible. We're out of super chats, people. So if you send a super chat in now, they will go straight to the top of the list. But we will go ahead and move on to the other questions. We still have 20 minutes left of Q&A. So guys, feel free to hash it out on these questions as much as you'd like. Sam is getting. From the amazing Heaven. Why won't Mr. Fanatic let his kids watch Disney content? Mr. Fanatic? No, I will not have a television. I will not allow my children to watch television. I grew up without a television. We read a lot of books. We played a lot of music, which is why I think what led me to being good enough at the piano to make a living from it. And I think we went to the library every single week. My mom and dad and me and my siblings, we all went to the library every week and got books. It was a Christian library. And we would read books every week, because that's what we did. We would go to church four times a week. We were really kind of sequestered from the world in a lot of ways. We didn't listen to secular music, have television. And I think maybe I won't. Hold on, hold on, one second. Don't finish that. Be as extreme with my children, but I absolutely don't want them watching Disney. Are you back? Yeah, I'm back. OK. Can you hear me? The last thing I heard you say was I really don't. Sorry about that. Yeah, I really don't want my children watching Disney or listening to secular music really, or really doing a lot with that kind of stuff. I want them to have the same values that I grew up with and the same values that I have. So that's why I wouldn't let them watch Disney. I don't think Disney is good for kids that I want to have the values that I have. Do you have children already, fanatic? No, I have a monthly subscription to Plan B through Amazon. And I have to be. Oh, it's really good. You can get it. Trust me, it's really simple. It's just a recurring order. Because Plan B is actually my plan A. Plan B, isn't that contraceptive or something like that? Or abortion pill? Yeah, I'm joking. I'm joking. Are you trolling me? Are you having sex at a wedlock? I am not, actually. I am celibate. But in reality, I don't have any kids at a wedlock. I wouldn't have kids at a wedlock by the grace of God. And but yeah, I'm working on it. I'm working on the marriage thing. James, do you have any kids? No, no kids. Wow. So I'm the only one here. I have kids. Oh, that's right. OK, cool. Would you show your kids Disney? I don't care. I'm impartial. We'll do an after show or something in one of these days. OK, nice. Where were we? We have a super chat in from Mango Tea for $7.99. James, are you homosexual relationships with guys? The grammar in these super chats is amazing. I love it. James, are you homosexual relationships with Jesse and did Jesse groom his staff? No, the heck? Sounds like he sounds like Mango Tea's a woman listening to gossip in slander. Gotcha. Typical woman. All right. From DJ Abril NTP for $17.00 Canadian. James, as usual, it may take time and fails before they get it. Disney is evil. Thank you, Jabril. Nice to hear from you. If it's the same Jabril that I know. Is that how you spell Jabril? He's called in and called himself Gabriel, but he says it's really pronounced Jabril. Jabril. I've heard that word. I've never seen it written out before. So thank you. Yeah, he's like a Muslim guy from one of those Eastern European countries, I think. All right, $2.00 from 0.22. Men and women don't agree on what respect means. Say, repeat that. Men and women don't agree on what respect means. Yeah, men need to teach that to women. We'll learn them some respect, right, Fanatic? So here's the deal. It's really funny, because the Bible tells men to see that they love their wives. It tells women to honor their husband. And I think it's because we thrive on totally different things. That doesn't mean that men should not have, I mean, that women should be absent of love for their husbands. And it doesn't mean that men should be absent of honor for their wives, which is another way of saying respect. But I do think that the idea that, like, respect is something that has to be taught, I think in current society that there isn't a lot of that. So I think you start out your relationship that way, insisting on respect, or in a way that you're respectable, so that women will respect you. And I think women should be lovable so that men will love them. And I think, yeah, then you can have, like, healthy relationships. But I think we do thrive on totally different things. Yeah, women don't have love. So people, guys who look to women to get love, they're looking in the wrong place. And the same thing with the guys who are looking to the women with love, they don't have love themselves either. And I think respect, if you're a man of respect, like Trump, he commanded respect, whether or not, even when they were disrespected, he commanded respect by being a man and telling the truth and standing on it. They couldn't help but give him all this attention. He got all that free media because he told the truth, which was electrifying to a lot of people. And it was controversial, and it was the people who hate the truth hated him for it, and they couldn't help but give him attention. Hey, it's really weird when you say that women don't have love, but then God literally told them to love their husbands. It's crazy to me. I don't know if you know the Bible or not. He told them to love their husbands. How would he tell them to love their husbands if they don't have love? He told them to respect their husband. Oh, you're right. I'm sorry, you're right. Yeah. You are right. See, I know my Bible. Can women have God? Can women have God? Oh, you only know that because I just said it. Do women have God though? Can women know God? They can know God if they don't hate men, but right now they hate men. All right, and God is love. And you can't hate your fellow man. God is love, so God is love. You can't hate your fellow man and know God. I'm sorry, you're saying that there's a word for respect in the Bible? They use the word honor, which I think pretty much translates. Right. God, shit. Okay. I won't say anything else. Moving on. Lord Bibi, 42 for $10 Fanatic, harping into feminism. Modern feminism is a hated hatred towards men. No, I don't support it. It was never moral, ethical or decent. Women can work without showcasing hatred. It's crazy. You don't support feminism. And the thing with one thing that we can easily say is feminism is why women are able to work. Right? Like feminism helps to create the environment that they could do that. If you don't see a correlation between the feminist movement and the women's labor movement, I don't know how to have that conversation. You just gotta do some basic history research. So, well, again, I don't like the feminist movement. I think there were things that they fought for that were absolutely important and that's one of them, the ability for women to work. Gotcha. Okay. I believe that we are now, again, out of super chats again. So we'll go ahead and go back to the other questions from SionQuist for both of you, I think. Maybe, we'll see. Don't you think we have a responsibility to instill Christian values into society? God judged Sodom and Gomorrah for its iniquity. Shouldn't we try to make our society more godly? Yes, I agree with that. We should stand for what's right. Just as they stand for evil, it's our job to stand up for what's right in the world. Mr. Fanatic, do you wanna go sign that? I think we should make society more moral and sure, I would like to install more Christian values into society. I think the Christian values are good and they are actually really consistent and compatible with society. So yeah, I like it. I just think that it has to be something that society also wants to do because I believe in the freedom. So, but I think Christian values are really good and I think most people would subscribe to Christian values. Democrats and Republicans alike, it's just we can't be the fake Christians that are just going around trying to condemn everybody while not talking about the love, love for your fellow men, love for the common men, love for the poor, taking care of your elders and the widows and all of the things that the Bible tells us to do. Those are all things that are really good for society and it's just that you'll find Christians that are so focused on the gay agenda but literally have no concern for the poor, no concern for those who are a little less fortunate and then that's where we run into these problems where people reject Christianity because of that because people aren't living a true Christianity. Do you love the people who are lost in the gay agenda? I don't know who those people are. You don't know the people who are lost in the gay agenda? You said that they're 10% of them are identifying with the LGBT thing. You don't know that there are people who are into the gay agenda? I love all people, even people who I think are like living in a way that's probably not consistent with biblical teaching because I'm supposed to love those people while recognizing that the things that they're doing and the life that they're choosing is gonna send them to hell, right? And that includes people who are, yeah, who reject Jesus and things like that. So that means like any person who's not a Christian is immediately going, is someone that can't go to heaven because the Bible clearly says I am the way the truth in the life, right? No one can come through the Father but by me that's what Jesus said. So if people don't accept Jesus then I'm gonna feel bad. I'd feel like they're destined for hell but I still would respect and love all of those people just as God does. Do you love them enough to tell them the truth that they're wrong and they're headed for an early death in many cases, at least especially for the males who are involved in that mess and the transgenders who are so suicidal and into drugs and stuff? I think the thing that I would probably tell them is the truth and that is that God is love and that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that you should come to know Jesus and I think anything that's part of your life that's not compatible with God if you accept Jesus Christ as your savior he'll tell you what's right and what's wrong and he'll help you to make the changes necessary so that you're living a compatible Christian life. Sounds like you're weaseling out of telling them the truth that they're wrong and you think that because you think that that's condemnation. But that's not condemnation. It's telling them the truth that they're wrong. It's not condemnation. I'm just following the Bible. I'm just following the Bible. The Bible tells you go you therefore teaching all nations baptizing them in the name of the Son of the Father Jesus Christ. You know that the whole, the gospel is the good news and the good news is that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Just doing what the Bible tells us to do. Focusing on that and then law and God to actually do the rest. And the Bible is pretty clear about the gay agenda too. But you want to just kind of gloss over that. Seems like- I'm not glossing over it. I believe the Bible is very clear. I think homosexuality is a sin and I think transgenderism and things like that I think would probably be a sin in the Bible. But I also recognize that just telling people something is a sin doesn't do anything to help them to come to know the loving true God that we all should be serving. And so I think as opposed to focusing on hey, this is a sin and trying to condemn people. I think it's probably better to just tell people, hey, get to know God, get to know Jesus. And then I think- It's interesting though. You avoid all this condemnation but you're so eager to accuse me of things that you have no idea about. Like you accuse me of hating the homeless. You have no clue how I, whether I love or hate the homeless but you assume that I hate them just because I'm not for helping and enabling their mess. Hank, you literally told me that we should let the homeless starve even if they have mental health issues and things like that. If you think that you can say that you love the homeless while believing that we should let them starve, I don't know what the freak we're talking about. Because none of them are starving. It's truly a false dilemma because all of this help is actually hurting them. But you assume that it's, I don't believe that I ever said let them starve but let them suffer because letting people suffer is a manly way of dealing with things. And you have a female mindset. Like just like these Disney ladies who have a female mindset toward the LGBT, you have a female mindset toward the homeless thinking that enabling them in their out of control life is helping them and showing love. But you don't know what love is. Okay. Okay, let's move on, shall we? We have $10, no, no, no. We have, where were we? $2 from 0022. Why does feminism only exist in Western countries? What? Ooh, that's a good question. What? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Like North Korea, Japan, like all these places have like feminist movements. What are you talking about? Those are Western countries, man. Those are effectively Western countries. I'm sorry, I meant South Korea. But yeah, you're saying South Korea doesn't have a feminist movement? And you're using South Korea? Those are effectively Western countries. Those are heavily Western influenced countries. You're saying why do Western societies have this feminism thing? Well, I doubt you, you're right. I'm sorry, I misspoke. I didn't know South Korea was considered Western or Japan, but I guess, yeah, sure. Oh yeah, you're not aware that those are like heavily involved with the UN, which is a Western dominated society with a lot of support from America and actually influence from America and the UK and all that? I guess. Basically the only reason those countries exist is because of us. And then they're so restricted, I think after we bombed them, I think that we bombed Japan. I think they're not even allowed to have like a standing armory or something like that. They're definitely influenced by us. This is stupid. The only way they exist is because of us, yet they predate on its state. It's by literal, like thousands of years. Then we say like Western countries, they're influenced by the UN. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Then we say stuff like, oh, they're part of the UN that makes them Western. Just so we know it, just so we're clear here. You know Saudi Arabia is part of the UN. Is that a Western country? It's being influenced by the Westerns because they're letting them drive in all kinds of feminist stuff. So yeah, in a sense, I suppose so. Okay, all right. Yeah, but... Saudi Arabia's Western, according to me. There was thousands of years, they weren't too feminist. They weren't too feminist that I know of. But until we had our influence on them, that's when they turned this feminist stuff. But truly, I think feminism started in the Garden of Eden because Satan told the woman that she could be equal with God by way of this knowledge of good and evil. And now she thinks that she knows better than the man and better than God. Okay. Gotcha. $5 from Steve. James, if it's your opinion that women don't have love, how have your romantic relationships with women worked out? What were they based on? You can still date women without having sex, dude. It was based on if she's pretty enough and if she's not annoying enough and if she would be... I don't know if she would be a decent woman, obey, respect, stuff like that. Because you can't expect a woman to have love. Man gets his love from God if he actually knows how to get that. And then he passes the love to the woman. Well, are you currently... Really quickly. Oh yeah, I'm dating. Okay. Yeah. Hey, hey, are you a virgin? Yeah. Okay. How old are you? No, actually no such thing as a virgin, but yeah, I've never had sex. How old are you? No such thing as a male virgin. Virgins are women. How old are you? 40, 40. Are you genuinely 40? Yeah. Okay. So a really quick question. I'm sorry, this is a quick aside real quick. How do you feel about slavery? Do you think slavery was evil? Not necessarily. There were evil things that took place in slavery I suppose. Just as there are evil things taking place today, worse things honestly. I think the homosexuality thing is worse than slavery. Think about it. Your physical body is enslaved or your soul is enslaved to your passions and your perversions. I think that all the stuff that they're pushing today is worse than slavery. Abortion definitely is worse than slavery. But slavery, yeah, there is, I agree with you. I like freedom, but yes, I think that there's a lot of melodrama about slavery because you'll notice, you agree with me that people get so self-righteous and up on their high horse about, oh, these slavers back in the day, am I right? When in reality they're not moral people who are, they're no one to judge. So yeah. Okay. Nice. You agree with me, right? No. Oh, slavery is worse than what's going on today? I think slavery is worse than homosexuality. I don't even know how we have that conversation, but that's, yeah, that's nice. Dang, ouch. All right, thank you so much. From Dan Zemmett. Fanatic, what do you prioritize? Freedom or holiness slash Christianity? I obviously prioritize Christianity and holiness for myself. And I think, I missed, but I think secular, oh, sorry. And I would say secular societies probably are going to prioritize freedom. And I don't think that those two are necessarily mutually exclusive, but I think, yeah, holiness is something that only can come from the Holy Spirit. And I think we can only get that at an individual level. I prioritize holiness. I don't think the secular people know what freedom is. Okay. From 022 for $5, Western kind is a race of people. Without Western kind, it wouldn't be Western civilization. Fair enough, fair enough. But we did influence Japan and South Korea, but I accept that. Yeah, the white people who built America created, set up for the freedom that we have. And I don't know if I would blame that. Yeah, the women, the men were weak in letting the women vote and all that stuff. So yeah, what a mess. All right. And another super chat from 0022 for $2 says, Western kind put an end to slavery. Nice. How about a thank you? How about some white appreciation? Am I right? Shouldn't we appreciate the whites, Hispanic rather than hate them? Like society's doing? I don't even, I feel like that's not a genuine question. No, it's a real question. People are, you don't notice that white people are hated and the slavers of old are hated. They should be appreciated. We should appreciate them for being slavers. You should appreciate them for being honorable men, where they were honorable men, for treating their slaves well, if they treated their slaves well. And treat, appreciate the whites, the Western kind, who put an end to slavery. Okay. But no, there's all this bitterness. How about a thank you? How about love? Man, I feel like you take this troll too far, bro. I'm not trolling. I'm serious. There's a hatred for whites. And you don't, are you not aware that there's a hatred for whites right now? I don't know about all that, but wow. If you're talking about like random quotes from Twitter, which in a real place, then that's on you. So this will be our last super chat for the night. Don't send any more guys. We have less than 30 seconds left. I'm just gonna read it and let the guys respond to it. And then we're gonna move out from Gabriel NTP for $17 Canadian. My grandpa had accommodated shelter food and composted him for helping around. I'm gonna read this real quick. My grandpa had accommodated shelter food and composted him for helping around because he was old and had no money to have a family. Was my grandpa a slave owner? I don't know, but I would not condemn him. Like we all have our situation in life and we shouldn't resent it, nor should we resent on behalf of dead past slaves. Did you just get that? I didn't quite understand, but I don't know. I think the idea of like equating, like what it sounds like was like him having some help for him and like equating that with slavery. It's just absolutely grotesque. I think this person either doesn't know what slavery is or it's just really, really, really disingenuous, but either way, it's just, that's crazy. Gotcha. All right. Thank you guys so much. That will end our Q and A section for tonight. Let me just go ahead and end these timers so I don't keep going off in my ears. And with that, we will go ahead and just say that, before we go, I wanna say that we like to promote fair debates, like myth informs better discourse conference. So I'm gonna go ahead and pop a, what do you call it? This is a little graphic here on the screen. I'm gonna pop it up. No matter what organization they are put on by, we like to try to promote fair debates, like myth informs better discourse conference. So that's gonna happen on April 23rd, Saturday in Fort Worth, Texas. So people, you should check that out. 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