 The biggest like roadblock in my journey so far has been like getting my music heard on a bigger scale outside of like online outlets and not having those connections to like different publications to get like press if you will. Do you think those roadblocks are something that I can control or do I just keep going with the gorilla approach to the way I spread my music and just telling the pavement, you know, knocking doors, kids babies kind of things like that. Yeah, so the answer to both questions is yes. So you can't control that stuff to aspect like getting to these publications is just a matter of hiring the right public. Other connections to those but coming from a publicity background, I can tell you at the gate what they're going to tell you is you have to build yourself up to a certain point for these publications that you take serious unless your narrative coming into it is just so compelling that they want to talk about it or you're just not connected that they're just like like I've seen ours where like they're just so initially connected just about the gate. A lot of times it doesn't work like when I used to work for a publicist what we would do is we would like we would take like four to five months doing you out of my small publication. You use those small publications to get you into medium publication work you're out there for like three or four months and use those media publications to get the big publications right if I'm not going to tell you that would be like a whole like two year process and stuff just do that but I will say this is people are discovering music from publications anymore that's not their goal you go get you can hire publicists right now five racks that will get you a high piece of complex and shit and not gonna do anything for you because fans aren't finding music from blogs and publications they're more so of a solidifier it's more of a stamp than a place to get and it's more so for your existing fan base or for people that look good to go like oh shit this guy's legit because he's been in complex he's been hyping me but people who've done that shit know that they're not getting any real translation in fact unless you're already a big artist but they gain more from it than you do so I always tell people like you realistically don't need to worry about press and so you have like a story to tell and I don't mean like the story being like such such artists dropping the project like no it's just boring as fuck just drop like they're not gonna write about that it's like a real narrative built out around you and then you're trying to push it slow down that's when you want to start talking to the person in the beginning man a lot of your stuff really should be built around digital advertising online marketing and then the real stuff should be brought in like people who like you know are like fucking with you and that you can actually get to because that's going to end up being your leverage when you try to get these publications they want to know if I write about you are people going to come read this shit I'm sorry if I write up write up about you and you post it how many people actually want to check it out because if it's not a lot they don't have any incentive to do it because then they they're doing more work you than you're doing for them but I'll say a lot of it just like sticking to the online stuff because it's a lot it's a lot less expensive to run a facebook ad than it is to hire a public like they're good publicists don't run you like minimum like $35 million in my band like that's from the local it might be like a mid-local publicist you know some of us still pay but you could put that same money into facebook ads youtube ads and then go directly to people collect their information and there'll be a lot of shit you can do on your own like it's a lot of it the game is a lot of emotional efforts without any real tangible pain coming out of it but like I say the biggest power you really have is the ability to do some of this online stuff and then just take that and start collecting like email numbers and shit and then get to those are the places where you see people like you building those markets if you see that I'll be running these ads and I got 70 people in Atlanta at a day so it's my email list like cool you can start figuring out how you can do something that might help people show out there but yeah I was saying don't don't worry about pressure like a minute like if you start a campaign today unless you just have the budget for it like they're gonna say the budget and the publicist for it I wouldn't just probably gonna be fresh for like another like eight months oh wow yeah okay it's the mat work