 Let's see, let's see, we've got Ian Ian says, good job in the debate. Thank you. And I was surprised with Wolf. I thought he was a serious Marxist and would defend real socialism, not just worker co-op socialism. The problem with defending real socialism is you can't, you can't. They've learnt that they've learnt that socialism has failed when it's associated with statism in any kind of way, uh, in any kind of level. It fails and they can try to project Denmark or Sweden as socialists, but they know that the Danes and the Swedes will object. So they're stuck. They want to be revolutionary. They want to have a vision. They want to have something to get you excited about. And yet the old style Marxist socialism tied up with a dictatorship of the proletarian and, and manifest in the 20th century in some forms of statism doesn't actually allow them to do it because it's an unmitigated failure. There's no way they can talk themselves out of that. Right. Uh, one of the things that I meant to mention this, one of the things that really shocked me, I was surprised, I had heard again, because Jean Epstein said it in his debate. Jean Epstein, during the debates, it's something like, well, we know that you, Richard Wolff, denounced the murder and the, and the deaths in the Soviet Union. You've written a book about it. So I assumed from that that Richard Wolff was, was denounced Mao and denounced the communist bloodbaths in all these places. And, and that, that, so I was actually surprised when he mentioned, you know, how wonderful Mao Zedong was and the extent to which in this debate, he was an apologist for the murders in China. Now think about this. This is not controversial. This is not me going out of some limb and, you know, conspiracy theory. This is standard history today. Is that Mao Zedong, either through both, through incompetence and through malice, his policies resulted in the death of anywhere between 40 to 80 million people, 40 to 80 million people. I posted a couple of articles on this in Twitter, I think yesterday. 40 to 80 million. I mean, he is of the three most vicious murderers of the 20th century. He is the worst in a sense of numbers. Now, maybe it's a smaller percentage of the population. God, that becomes pretty, pretty disgusting calculus. You know, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, of all of them. Mao Zedong is the most murderous. And I, you know, wasn't really prepared to push that because I couldn't imagine that anybody would deny it. It is a it's so well documented, not just by Americans. It's documented with with documents that were smuggled out of China in the 90s. In terms of Chinese academics, the Chinese researchers, the stuff they discovered in the vaults when things freed up a little bit. And while Mao is revered by people who don't know and don't understand, but the academics in China, the people who are researchers, the people who they know what he did, they don't revere him. They revere him for political reasons, but they don't actually revere him. They know how incompetent. I mean, it's like Deng Chaoping. Deng, by the time he became president, he used to be Mao's right-hand man. He has lots of blood on his hands, but the time he became, you know, the basically the the territory in charge of China, he knew how monstrous Mao was, but he had to keep up the facade in order to keep the party in power. So Mao is revered by the the ignorant because they don't teach how much of a monster he was. But for an American academic, I don't care if you're Marxist or not, for an American academic not to know and to reject or deny suggests evasion of such a scale that you have to say this guy's evil. This guy's willing to go along with the motor of 80 potentially up to 80 million people, 80, 80 million. It blows the mind. And then for people to treat this guy as civilized. Now, I know I'm never going to debate Richard Wolf again, because after what I'm saying here and after the debate, he'll never agree to debate me again. But to treat this guy as civilized as a civilized adversary, I would never get on stage with him again after his willingness to defend Mao Zedong. It's it's murderous. This is what evil looks like. This is what evil looks like. So anyway, that that did surprise me, that did shock me. And you can look it up. You can just you can look it up and you can find from the 1990s in particular articles that will just call your butt. I mean, they will I mean, you know, the amount of murders during the during I mean, the Great League forward, tens of millions of people died. And then the millions who died during the Cultural Revolution, from which Deng also suffered because Mao sent him to be reeducated in the countryside. But but the amount of people were murdered. I mean, the stories of cannibalism because they were both starving and in a motorist rage, it's just astounding what the what the red gods on the behest of Mao did and that anybody, anybody, never mind somebody with a job at a university would defend their actions is beyond sick. Imagine if somebody defended Hitler. How long would he have a job? Imagine somebody defended Hitler. How long would anybody debate him? How long would anybody be willing to appear in a stage with him? Just despicable, truly despicable. So. Yeah. So it turns out, you know, Richard Wolf was not my my preference as a debating partner. I had suggested some other people to the University of Pennsylvania. It turns out that all the other people I suggested, including Cornel West, who I thought I think would have been an interesting debate and a much more challenging debate. I'm not sure how that would have gone. It would have gone very differently. But Cornel West wanted like, you know, what eight times more than what they ultimately paid. Stephanie Kelton, MMT, Stephanie Kelton wanted also like four times. So they were just way more expensive. And Richard Wolf was willing to do this for whatever I was getting. And since I was getting something very reasonable in terms of what the students could pay, you know, it's. It was something you pen could could pull off. But I'm looking forward. I'd love to debate other socialists, other status, you know, postmodernists, whatever, I'm happy, happy to debate anybody out there who who is anybody out there who brings an audience. I'm no interest in debating Joe Schmo. Thank you for listening or watching the Iran book show. 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