 Hello and welcome everyone to the Mantic podcast as always unfortunately. I'm Matthew And I'm joined by someone that never think needs an introduction, but it's it's the old Ronnie Renson Enjoying lockdown 2 for you Brits and Europeans like down to electric beagle. Yeah Hollywood likes to push him out so, you know, we should have expected it It is more more painting time And of course the the word on everyone's lips right now is Armada We've been excitedly Working on it at the office. I know a few people have been painting there like like the road to Kings of War third edition I Haven't I've already got a backlog, so I wasn't involved with it this time For the best I'm trying to be trying to be the only person in the world that finishes a project, but I don't think it's looking like the anyway Yeah Well, I've got I've got stuff from work now that I need to do as well So it's like oh god like I can't even do my personal stuff anyway. Yeah, all these all these free miniatures. Oh, what a shame So, I guess for anyone that has been living under a rock Do you want to go no pun intended? Yeah, that's in a cave It's stuck in my room Do you want to give a background on Armada and just why it's the best thing in the world basically best thing ever Yeah, best thing on the high seas and Obviously last year Kings of War our fancy setting panathor world developing just generally We're excited, you know about what's happening with Kings of War and we've in many ways I always talked about that the three three levels for our game You've got the board game intro dungeon saga for example where you know You're probably maybe playing with non gamers or it's certainly not more gamers It can be a family game or a board game game, but a nice way of getting introduced to what we do We then have games like Vanguard which is a skirmish level game half a dozen figures It is hobby. It is you know plastic and resin It's about moving miniatures around, but a Specific scenario or more narrative driven games So we're looking at that and then of course we've got Kings of War itself the big battle game Which is huge big battles and hundreds and thousands of troops and the stuff that seems to be best able to kind of get new people to try our games are the Ten figures skirmish level not too big a commitment and while people people that love Kings of War love it You know you've got to get yourself ready to be painting Ten units eight units. It's a fair undertaking Once you play Vanguard you might start then building a regiment and building up But at the same time we wanted just more people to have a go at one of our games And so we thought we're rather than doing a different Vanguard in a different setting You know a miniatures game of troopers. Let's look at boats And so I think the charm and the joy of Armada is It's a good. It's a war game. You know, it's a classic tabletop battle game With it eight or ten things to paint and those eight or ten things are like you've not painted in a very long time If you've ever painted it at all so a real fun new hobby challenge Yeah, and I think that's what's made it so Knockout is that, you know, we've all been painting minis all year. We've all been doing lockdown then all of a sudden these shits come out The size of them. They're just beautiful. They're they're not too small that you lose all the details You lose all the character, but they're not so big that each one's going to take you three months to paint and you know, you've got to paint the rigging and you know the Whales on each cannon. They're a lovely size and we you know We kind of went with that size we picked it up from Black Seas because they'd got a size that was just as I saw I thought yeah, you know what we can work with that It's the right size. Let's just go and And I think just it being so fresh so new Not too big a commitment to get into it and a nice couple of fleets to start a couple more just around the corner So enough that there's variety straight from the get-go the fact that people know we'll support it over the years ahead with new fleets and We've you know got a book coming out at the same time So just all around I think the thing that really got it was everyone was ready for something new and I think it just ticked that box Lovely bit of painting Yeah, I'm the I'm the perfect when you say about people started off in vanguard and then moving up to Kings of War That was that's pretty much that was me in a nutshell So when when I saw the amount of mini cheeses you do use in in even just like an initial game of our martyr It does Tickle about fancy where it's all actually, you know doing four boats. Yeah, I could even I could bash that out Yeah, a couple of great. Oh, what you're buying did 30 quitting you get you start a fleet know the third you got your booster fleet Yeah, you well on your way. Yeah, you're there or thereabouts You just need to tweak it then as you like your play style or whatever else but two players start to set in a booster Yeah, you know, but not a lot of money You're gonna get a lot of game and a lot of great modeling time and hobby time and Something really fun and You know, I mean we'll get on to me in a bit, but I was always going to do the dwarfs I've got because we haven't managed to get them Through molding yet because I've been so busy which we'll do about again in a second Hmm, and I couldn't wait so I read the cast off and miss cast pile and got myself on a Basilean fleet and that's that's what that's how approachable it is I've got a lot of people saying oh, I'm waiting for the Empire a duster I'm waiting the dwarfs, but I'm having the orcs in the meantime. Yeah Yeah The meantime and that's what's lovely about it is that you you know, it's not such a big commitment That you think too long about what you're gonna do. I'll get that one That's good fun and each one's so so different Or if you fancy using more of like a certain type like if you've really been using the the girp anthem or something It's like, oh, you know, I want another one them It's not yeah, we've got to worry about it being 40 miniatures, which obviously some people yeah And if you build a Basilean fleet You're not you've not you know when you've done an army you think I'm kind of done with an army for a while What else can I do? Whereas I think you'll build a Basilean fleet. I've you know built the one I built and I'm still like I bring the Dwarf something they come I can't wait to get going on my real army. So it's quite nice that it's very digestible Yeah, I'm very satisfying, you know, they go together nicely There's a bit of modeling but not tons, you know, they're not fiddly four or five parts The connection lines are nice So I got I got I got some because we're gonna be bringing out just a few tips and tricks on Assembling them in case you a new to resin or you just want to have a look at it before you for you tackle them Yeah, and the pieces are absolutely I mean obviously I'm I'm gonna be massively biased because I love the Basileans The the detail on on the on the ships is absolutely gorgeous and I say they are Very simple to to assemble And and dry assemble just to make sure you've got everything right because I know sometimes With it with other other products It's like oh, I don't want to I don't want to break it or I like I need to have a look at something But they are all 10 piece bills. You've got a heart before you can check the end of it Yeah, yeah, and there's just isn't that is it? No, no, not at all The resin lovely has the details. Hmm one evening of assembly and you will have your fleet built Yeah, depends when you're gonna paint it before or after assembly your choice, but Probably better both would be the best idea, but then very quickly I've got all the parts like that's how I'm gonna do it and and no more than a week for normal painters. Obviously not for the Of the waltzes of this world the first of nature painters, you know a week of painting and assembly and you will be well Well, well on the way to your your your fleet being done. Hmm And obviously people know us usually is a Kickstarter Person, but this is is is it our biggest retail launch or one of the biggest? Yeah, absolutely I mean we we've not been a Kickstarter company for a few years really and I think that's we do do them But they do them to either help us tool our range or And because that's the best medium for a product that's a licensed product or saying or something like that But our hobby products are all you know Kings of War is a Retail direct products only and this has been entirely sold the and Available through our website and our your friendly local gaming stores. Yeah, we were slightly caught out because when I showed it to the salesman They were all a bit sniffy thing. Well, I can't really understand this man. I've got Kings of War And I can't I don't get boats back by rubbish and So we kind of ordered what I thought would be six months worth of stock and Because you know, we ordered all the print we were getting the casting ready We had all of our schedules going and I thought well if we do About 60% of it on launch and then the other 40% jam-fed March and That'll be nice and then we can see what we could reprint out. You know, we can assess demand and go from there We sold out in 24 hours. Oh, okay Everything and we had to limit Each market to 20% of the print run. Yeah each So So we've actually got orders on now for pre-order. So we've already reordered for January So they'll be there'll be restocks. But of course All the resin Forecasts and all the build forecasts were on 60% Yeah, we're a hundred percent. So we've been double shift casting. We've been casting Saturdays everybody in the building is Hanging on to their sanity by their fingernails After a year of lockdowns and covids and everything else we kind of came back from Covid got ourselves straight at the end of summer and then all of a sudden we've got this colossal iceberg another little joke Coming towards us at a rate of knots. So, you know, we've gone from another sea joke. Yeah I mean you are a dad, so they gotta come Rate of knots and then so Yeah, we had to you know, drop anchor and can re-evaluate the situation we had to look to the horizon No, we enough we so yeah, I mean look normally we have about 20 odd people working, you know in the UK and in the office and I think we're up to nearly 40 odd staff as we 30 odd staff as we are packing and boxing and Everybody's taking boxes home to pack them at home over the weekends and everything just just to get ready to ship and we we hoped To be in store this weekend And I think we're gonna miss it by about a week, but we'll be shipping from the end of this week We will be shipping and then throughout next week and probably early into the first week in December to get it all out But you know considering the the headwinds we've had Yeah, the team's done a remarkable remarkable job and Give you some idea of the context of that when I did my first forecast. I thought we were gonna need about 60,000 resin pieces We've we we're going we've going to have needed 190,000 And we're 110,000 and we had none Four weeks ago We're doing 5,000 a day 630,000 a week You know It's been a real challenge and everyone's worked phenomenally hard and done an incredible job to even get close to this There was a point that if we hadn't got the machine working it would have been January so it's a Real testament to everyone's efforts and commitments that that were even close to delivering Every time I went in the office there was just more and more stuff and people running around so it was there It was like a different different company every time I walked in yeah to go and bother people for resin So now I just feel terrible We've got 110,000 pieces so the the 10 or 15 you need it is is around an error Yeah, it's just that the size you know It's something we would have looked you know We would have normally planned for we started this over a year ago, but if we'd known it was this big We wouldn't have been promising it until April or May if we didn't deliver it with our normal with our normal Infrastructure and it was just a combination of a bit of good luck. Yeah, beautiful product a well-designed product Some of the felt very fresh that really is called the imagination and you know the team has responded to it So it's very good So in obviously in terms of like post post launch because what I like seeing is every time we launch a product is Like say with the Bacillians when when we launch the vanguard units like people There's always people's paint schemes that are completely different Oh, yeah, that's almost excited for when when we launch a new product So I was gonna ask you what what you're most excited for post launch. Is it the tournaments? Is it seeing people's fleets? Well, no for me, it's always I mean, you know my primary driver is always the aesthetics the visuals I mean, I think they will be you know, lots of great gameplay. It's been well tested. I think it was built in And play tested online From a big group play testers, but for me, it's the prettiness of the Tory soldiers, you know, I mean I'll talk about my own You know what I've taken my Bacillians, Bacillians. Can you say tomato? I said tomato Which of my pre-dwarves, my dwarves are gonna paint the same colours as my dwarven army the green and blue So they're gonna be kind of tried to my my general which is fun But the Bacillian, I was madly I couldn't decide what to do them And what I was looking online the even just the pathfinders that were getting some demo copies to kind of take out To the stores and show off. Yes, we're looking great Then Martin Thurwell did his kind of night stalker inspired kind of crazy ones But the sales on his we're just fantastic the way he got a real depth and a real color to them He told me they don't he'd done them through oil. Yeah, but you should definitely wherever you post them Podcast, you know stick a link up to the to the blog where we're putting up the photographs Yeah, there's some fantastic paint jobs. He's was there So I was feeling a little bit deflated because I knew I was gonna spray my black and dry brush And they were gonna look a little bit naff by comparison. So then in the end I've been actually picking up my stuff in the miscast pile. Yeah, and one of them had quite a bad miscast and I thought I'm just gonna damage that one up and instantly I did that I went that's the way I'm taking the fleet I'm gonna do it like and I've seen some pictures from back in the day when I was doing my history, too Like when ships came out of a battle at the end of Trafalgar they were in pieces. Oh, yeah You know the winners were there's hundreds of bullet holes shot through their sails and you did you've taken just loads of rigging would have been shot out there'd be you know Cannonball buried in the deck and smashed up the winners looked like they've been 15 rounds with Mike Tyson And you know the losers were on fire and sunk. Yeah So it was a brutal old scrap and so I thought you know what actually that'd be good fun because because they go on the base It's still gonna be the right footprint. It's still gonna be the right size. That's true So everyone can see what ship it is, but mine are gonna look like they've been you know In in a fighting cage with Colin McGregor for it. Not Colin McGregor. Yeah, you know Colin McGregor for a bit So that I just smashed it I kept him away and did a lot of damage to them and it was good fun So the aesthetics I think are looking a lot fantastic and I think some of the paint jobs because they're all resin Yeah, the detail that's on the model on the master model is on the model and the little cannons They're just gorgeous and you know, we might even make some STLs available So people can download and print some more cannons and you know masts and things like that so that They can they can have some fun, you know Uniquing their own ships and having some fun with them so really excited to get visually it's gonna look lovely and and then I've seen a lot of people also building their terrain Yeah, I was I was Wondering how people are gonna do it because obviously the ones that we've been using Just in house for play testing have just been the is it the acrylic base like pretty pretty standard But then I say with Martens as well Like it shows what you what just you can do like turbulent waves and and things like that Yeah, so he's taken the MDF and then he's kind of painted them up Detail them up and then he's put that, you know clear resin over the top so it really looks like choppy weather and choppy Waves which makes it part of them the kit. I'm gonna use the The acrylic templates we've done which is actually two pieces of acrylic with a picture that's on the mat Stuck in between them. All right match. They match perfectly And I think these one of the things that at the moment Everyone's got MDF in your sets, but unless you're gonna really model up your MDF I think the lazy man's approach is gonna be you these Acrylic ones that we've got so I suggest if anyone's listening in is thinking that go have a look because they're gonna sell out very very quickly because I think everyone I I'm just gonna check my MDF bases and glue them onto these because You measure everything from the base so it's exact, you know You're turning cycles and that but they just match the mat perfectly They look very pretty and they set your models off very nicely. So I think they're gonna they're gonna be very popular No, I'm always excited to see the techniques because there's things people just you never think of it. It's like wait, what? What have you used? And I'm similar guys for some of our modeling guys are now just gonna go to absolute town on these and I think You know Martins will be a starting point, but I can't wait to see where it's gonna go Yes That's nice that I've already just seen happening and I actually am was was the The battlefield itself because obviously in the game you get some card Which do your harbor and your sandbanks and some rocks and things. Yeah, you say around but very quickly people have been Just using their modeling skills to make to make those in 3d. Yeah, actually Shane, no Done a load and he'd use some of our terrain crate pieces just like the walls Just as little castles and I obviously tapped him up and I said, right. I need these so I bribed him and he sent me them over Which was fantastic. So he's um So we've got some of that stuff, but that's really Nice as well because suddenly you've got these lovely ships. You've got a lovely gaming table, but in terms of Commitment two weeks and you're you know, you've got something that looks absolutely knockout Yeah, the deluxe mats throw that down throw a few Sandbanks and a few hills that you've made little islands and you'll be painted fleet up and you'll be playing on the nicest gaming table You can imagine for not a lot of money and not a lot of time Getting a good-looking War games table. It can be expensive in time and money and then of course the pretty looks the harder It is to play on yeah trees everywhere and everything else so There's a real congruence of this between looking good and playing good Yeah Okay, it kind of goes both ways as well, doesn't it because because we've got the cardboard as well Like you can just get stuck in if you just want to start a way cardboard out Done and now an hour of gluing and you play. Yeah And just don't crash into the island's people As a thing Yeah And you think why not what I do that and someone starts shooting at you twist this to Before you know it you realize you're not gonna quite make that corner. Yeah Titanic Anything I'm good at it's not not planning ahead when I play so that will probably be me Yeah, I can I get all my instructions wrong every time Totally thinking about not hitting the island well realize that I'm saying directly towards I'm gonna hit the island So I mean it must be a stupid question to ask what your favorite fleet is so I guess I'll rephrase it Why do you love the dwarf so much? Yeah in our mud Interestingly, I am I am slightly tall on this one because I've gone to the dwarfs just because well the dwarfs they're at you know my other army and You know But but the commitments are low like I said, I plan into the basalians and Obviously can't do green skins because the dwarfs hate the green skins But the Emperor dust is a very very very pretty looking army. Oh, yeah These days I don't enjoy painting I was a kid I used to love the painting and hate the kind of gluing together and Assembly and basing and I'm almost entirely the reverse now I love gluing together and and modeling up and basing and everything and then you know I start losing interest after I've undercoated them Maybe my painting skills are just a bit crap these days. I don't know what it is, but so what do you think it's reversed? Yeah, I get it. I don't get old Don't know what it is, but I love the creating bit and the so I could see myself kind of building quite a lot of the fleets Actually Because they're just a nice and actually the dwarf one is probably the easiest to build Yeah, because they're you know, they're heavily armored and it's just adding a few turrets Whereas I think the modeling opportunities on the other three are greater and particularly the basalians that I think have the on the orcs where you've got lots of Opportunity to just give them that you need twist, you know, just adding some bits and moving things around a little bit Yeah, I think I'm I think I'm the same trainer when I'm when I'm sculpting because you usually get like you have you have your Your bits box and then it'll be all what can I what can I slap on this? What can I just add on and I think your vanguard is some of that where you were getting a single figure But you were looking like it's just all on him or an extra weapon from the bits box And you do it. I think in Kings of War more regimen level, you know Look at the whole base and I won't do much to a single figure But well, I could put a dead figure into this base here. I can put some stones on it and put a dog up there You know, you see people putting the fences and the zombies kind of plowing through the fence So I think you you know, you kind of unique up your regiments But I think you're gonna get a chance to do that with the boats here And of course that quite says quite nice with the gameplay because you can actually upgrade your ships Yeah, there's kind of there's there's generic upgrades and but an upgrade it's you know, it's an ability to And I've got the dwarf ones. I have down the dwarf fleet in front of me flame Belcher If this ship inflicts damage with a shooting attack from a frontal rear weapon roll the d6 on a four plus A fire is started on the target place a place marker on it So you can actually pick some of your guns, right? It's not this isn't a cannon. It's a flame belt Shot and and it's lovely because they're next to your ship. You actually can take a little flame belcher Archer and put it down and it just reminds you that that has that skill Yeah, and so you eat shit. You can have two furies You know in your fleet, but the one that's marked up with the flame belcher is the one that's got the upgrade You know also got more accent. You know the bustle ends got blessings. So there's both generic upgrades that every fleet can use you get those in the core game and Magical upgrades and then there's you know, race specific ones for the bustle aims have kind of Basilain upgrades that are you know about healing and about yeah being righteous fury the dwarfs, you know flame belchers Advanced construction. So more sturdy assault vessel accurate ordinance And so they've got iron watch marines so you can actually be better at boarding So you'll pick your fleet and then you can unique they will actually I've got two of the same boats But this one is the one that sits back and shoots up. Yeah, that's the one that goes in and does the boarding and so I love the fact and then you know, you could you can reflect that a little bit in your in the build You can you know, just tweak the build a little bit to this one's gonna have some extra cannons on it it's gonna have the extra You know the the flame belcher all right I'm gonna get a little cannon and let's see if I can stick another one of those on it Or we'll just make a point out of the out of that or give it a bigger barrel You know, you can have a little bit of modeling fun if your skills are up to it Yeah, it reminds me a bit of How how people made their their vanguard and dead zone things like if it was a certain unit They wanted to be a bit more like they had a certain weapon It would it would have that weapon then you could just look at the board and go, okay That's my that's my big shooty boy. Like yeah, exactly You know, I'm into remember A bit more time on that's that that's that character I'm The one thing I'm most excited for and this is more of a challenge when the Empire of dust come out is I can't remember the name and it's mainly because the Empire of dust have such unique names But the one that that can come out of the ocean David Jones style. I'm waiting for someone either diorama level or actual tabletop level to do something with that Half coming out the ocean because I bet I mean Well, we might do some bags of miscasts Oh, I could just see some people really getting hold of those and you know We do a bag of a tenner and you can get what you get out But you can imagine, you know that cutting half and I kind of popping out of the water I guess it's coming up or something like that would be great or quite the reverse is the taking damage I can see people like smash them up and then have them half sinking and listing into water I guess there's just such great modeling opportunities and These are slightly bigger ships than I think any previous fantasy naval games have had And that adds so much to the character and that's because we could work in resin in the past It was always kind of metal Back in the Manawar days. They were metal because they just couldn't have them this big because it wouldn't have cast Whereas now with the resin You really can have those beautiful big pieces and they just look Delicious, just gorgeous. They maintain the detail even at a scale. Yeah So some nutters trying to decide a some single figures to add to his crew. Oh, yeah I don't quite know what scale is on 700 or something says that. Good luck with that Sure, I'm sure we'll see I should there be some brilliant modelers who will have Each of the cannons crude and barrels on the decks and goodness knows where they'll take you. Oh, yeah There'll be some well as we mentioned 3d 3d printers for I know We've got people at the office that that are going mad 3d printing wise. So And it's it's completely You think, you know, we think the mad ones are the ones that are gonna add, you know Some tiny little figures to it. It's not the really mad one is the salesman Clive Stone who decided to get the files and print them at 28 mil Having the office two of the ships just a small one's the slope, but then one of the Ships of the line, it is the aloe Jolly medium ships not even the abyss filling up his desk And our marshmallow is in brown and pink Five tubs of 3d printing material just to get those so look out for those But you know just in case you think we're you know, we're not all mad Yeah, one of the staff is actually printing them out at 28 mil That's to be a little bit mad to to work out man. Take exactly Yeah, yeah when I first saw the picture I didn't realize the scaly done it as And then I think I saw a zoomed out when I was like, oh my god When you when you see next to a figure and that's where you know vanguard, I think we're gonna write some vanguard stories Like playing a battle on a deck Yeah going on to the deck and stealing the captain's plans and some of those other things so if we might do a summer book for Armada next year and on it will but we'll actually port, you know Here's how it could affect your campaign You know the sea battles and then you can be shipping in supplies and if you lose that bottle You don't get the supplies and similarly What's going on with the? You know with your other And You can play with you as a vanguard scenario Yeah, two or three vanguard scenarios set around the docks set around boarding actions Which I think it'll be good fun and some again great modeling opportunities for you for your battle a and vanguard faction Mmm. Yeah, because we had people asking if there was gonna be integration So I guess that that links into the the future for our mother and if anyone else misses this I know on The Mantic virtual open day, which is this Saturday at 10 o'clock Jim come into YouTube if you head to the Facebook the links there, but it will be going live at 10 o'clock There's also a we'll be doing a section on future our mother Content, but is there any I mean it won't it wouldn't be bringing you on to onto this without trying to squeeze some secrets out of you but No, what would you want from? Armada going forward I mean Firstly, let's just get let's get the the supply side sorted out Hmm, you know, I think we've just got to make sure that we Everyone wants to get their hands on the copy the game can do that. Yeah, that's a January we've got a reprint coming back in it's the fastest we can get it turned around and we're gonna need time for casting so We can at the moment on our website by the book dice I'm in the book doesn't just come as a bucket. It does also have the Card inserts with it. So all the tokens come with it and everything. So it's a nice product And and a fleet you can buy the or fleet or the Baselian fleet Hmm, but we have no more of the two-player set your friendly local game store might have But if you are getting excited about this and want it I would strongly recommend you phone them today We'll go online today and find out because it's been selling very very well Yeah But you know as soon as we've got through this production We'll scale back ever so slightly because the guys can't keep working six days a week and we're doing double shifts from 6 a.m Yeah, two different shifts, but from six to 10 casting machine is working six in the morning to 10 at night Just to make sure that we can we can kind of replenishing Jan and make sure that we've then got enough for the Jan Fab March as people are seeing it and getting excited about it and want to participate Yeah, first we've got to make sure they get looked after but then of course the dwarfs are coming out alongside that in January So you've got a new fleet So just when you've got used to killing the orcs or the Baselians depending which side you are the dwarfs will come along and beat You both March we're going to see the Empire of dust and So that's lovely and then roughly every two months we're going to have an Armada release throughout next year So you're going to get six across the year Jan March for the Empire of dust April May will be the four Excel ships one for each of the current fleets That's just a real gives you another meta level you've got used to playing with your basic Ships, you know, and you've got all that fluidity. You know the rules. You're playing it right here Something a little bit bigger that can change you know, how do you now take out, you know, a super heavily armored hundred-point ship? And and then I think you know, that's that's kind of the end of wave one Yeah, and then June we'll be looking at possibly a wave two anchored by a book and See what you know goes flying around there and and some more races and some more fleets to come out so exciting times, but I'm really hoping that we can you know build a kind of Good good growing crowd in the early part of the year I don't know if we'll be able to get out to shows and demo it or not I mean, obviously, we'd be taking it to salute and we'd be taking it to Adepticorn Were we allowed to we would have probably had it as and was that going to happen? But you know, we just don't know what's happening there. So we'd have to you know Wait and see what the government's saying and what the restrictions are but their fingers crossed at April May We might have it out at the shows you then have four fleets to choose from You know, I think they look beautiful and I can see them still being very very popular then For those beginner fleets and then we can expand it out once we've got a good customer base, you know a good hobby base Growing it. No, definitely. Well, I mean, obviously the popularity kind of speaks for itself. So I can't wait to see what people bring out But definitely a lot of stuff to look forward to Especially I know people are really excited for Empire of Dust as well. Yeah, it's beautiful really different It's a great way like with vanguard. It was a great way for us to look at a new Faction. Hmm. So we looked at you know in vanguard. We looked at the Northern Alliance. We looked at the night stalkers And those went from you know, Matt's pipe dreams or nightmares depending which Mr. Gilbert brain And they came out hugely popular now. They're Kings of War armies. We've got the frost giant, you know There's so much happening with those The night stalkers as a key army and kind of a big piece of the jigsaw And so, you know the Empire of Dust we talked about it for ages And while we've got some metal conversions, it's not an army that we feel like we've really Really done, you know, we've got to get you by army. It's good fun, but it's not fully mantic stamped But of course, this was a great way of Really doing something that never been done before and we've done it and I think it looks amazing No, definitely. So, I mean, I obviously keep keep tuned to the youtube and facebook for all the all the future Yeah updates and Thank you very much for joining me. I'm just gonna plug one more time the mantic virtual open day So it's november 21st at 10 o'clock uk time And if you head over to the facebook, there is a timetable that is very loose. I imagine Depending on If if we if we stick to that time schedule So the 10 o'clock is the sci-fi update and welcome 11 o'clock joining for a live miniature sculpture, which is always good. They're absolutely amazing 1 p.m. Is kings of war in vanguard 2 p.m. Is winged to start interview 3 p.m. As I just said is the armada in 2021 So, uh, I guess if you miss this, you're not gonna be out of luck You know all the goodies that are coming out and 4 p.m It won't be a mantic open day without the ronnie q&a. They didn't call it the ronnie spoiler fest 2020 So I'll have to have that changed I would be as good as gilas. I always don't think that'd be wrong This is a recorded interview by the way. So you've got that on record And that that'll be on the mantic youtube channel. So if you're not already subscribed What are you doing with your life? So get subscribed so you know as soon as it comes out you'll get a notification And all the updates regarding armada So exciting things again. Thank you so much for joining me ronnie. It's my pleasure. It's always great to chat And I hope everyone's enjoyed what we're chatting about and for those gluttons for punishment Love the pain can't get enough of it. I will see you all online on saturday at 4 o'clock I will see you then and uh keep tuned to the youtube channel for all things semantic. Have a nice day