 Hello and welcome to this career insight session where I'm joined by Andrew Ossanyemi, who is the global head of corporate partnerships here at Amplify Me. And before we kick things off, just wanted to give you a brief run through of the life of Andrew because it's such an incredible story and one that really resonates with the mission of Amplify Me. And going all the way from getting a social mobility scholarship that took him from Peckham to private school, landing a role at RBS, moving to be a trader in New York, being made redundant, coming back to earth, living with your parents, coming out of finance, going into TV, becoming a TV producer, becoming a worldwide recognized TV producer, I must add as well. And then kind of giving back to how you got your opportunity and working at different diversity firms, running their initiatives. And that really is kind of why you're, you're here with us but really wanted to dive into that story because I think it's such an important one. And I'd love to discuss it more but perhaps kicking things off, Andrew, we could go right back to the beginning about growing up in Peckham. What did that look like in terms of your aspirations in your peer group at those young, young years in your life. Yeah, no, thank you. Thank you, Anthony. Thank you. I was like, who's that person you're talking about? Oh, it's me. Yeah, growing up Peckham. One thing I say is that, you know, you can, you can, you can never predict or plan where you're born and who your parents are just situations that you grew up in, you just have to make the best of wherever you end up. And, you know, and I say I was lucky, lucky to be brought up in Peckham. So this is many years ago, like Peckham has changed. But back then Peckham was like low social housing. Like, you know, people from under under deprived backgrounds, like low social economic, like aspirations people just wanted to just finish school, get a job, working somewhere and some money, like aspirations wasn't super high. Like, you know, I mean, if you stay out of like prison, quite out of trouble, that was good. That was a good result when I was growing up. So, but there was always like something in me that one just like, I'm not going to lie and say I wanted to go into finance. I wanted to get out of that, of that, of that cycle of, you know, just lower social economic, like, you know, environment that some people get trapped in. And that was it. I wanted to get out, make enough money for my family, myself, and just achieve anything in life. And you ended up getting a scholarship. So how did that come about? And what was that process? That's funny story, funny story. So I mean, I was a bit naughty at school. So a bit naughty. So I remember there was one day, right, I'm naughty, I get a phone call. And, you know, you pick up the phone. And it's like, you get a call from school. So Andrew has to come in to come into school the next day. Obviously, my parents pick it up. You know that there's like a look that your mum gives you, like, you know, it's not no one ever calls you in to come to school for like good news, right. So it's that look, she knows I'm quite naughty. She knows that I like to play pranks. So she's thinking, one, you're taking me away from my job, you know, you know, we need to earn money, like I need to come into school with you now. And two, like what the hell could you have done so that like the teacher calls the house to come in. So, like, needless to say that night I got like spoken to quite quite harshly. And then dragged in the next day I was dragged in, sat down in the class, and the teacher said, you know, sat me down and said to my mum and said, look, Andrew, I just want to miss you. And I was like, is it, is it about what's he done now? Like, you know, as he I'm really, really sorry. I'm really sorry. I'm like, you know, in that night, like kind of appearance from Nigerian background, like in that Niger, really apologetic, like really sorry, sorry for whatever he's done was sorry. We've disciplined him already. Don't worry. No, no, no, no, no, no, it's nothing to do with being disciplined. I just wanted to let you know that and I think I was about eight. I said, just want to know that Andrew's like scored one of the highest in Soviet in in a national maths test. And have you ever considered, like, you know, taking him to get a social ability scholarship that was being offered. And this scholarship allowed anyone from an undeprived background who would who earned below a certain amount to get a free scholarship to go to private school if they did well in the test. And he said the word and like a phrase that really stuck with me for the rest of my life and he said, you know, Andrew has loads of potential. He just needs to figure out how to make it count. And it's just that figuring out which is what I've been doing through my whole life and has motivated me to go on and do different things. And from that period from eight to 11, my parents just said, you know what, you need to try and just focus on trying to do well at this test, did well at the test and then I got a place to go for free to private school in Catford called St. And going to private school because I think I guess young people have lots of different situations like getting a scholarship or the first time you go to university and it might be completely the first time you've gone to the north of the country or the first time you've gone to London or so how did you find that that kind of situation of just kind of landing there as a scholarship student amongst all these other people. Do you know what it was so strange because one, I thought one of the only students that took public transport to school, like I was coming from Peckham all the way to Catford. I was taking like two buses. I thought what bus did I take, like the 12 or 36 and then the 185, you know, I had to leave really early so wake up really early to get to school. I had to avoid people seeing my school uniform and saying oh that's that kid that goes to that school like you know let me mug him or whatever. Get to school, like tired, and then hearing people know what struggling was hearing people like after they're like where are you going I'm going I'm going skiing I'm going. I'm going to Disneyland. I'm just like I'm just going to hang out in my state with my mates that's what I'm doing so it was that difference. And I think you know many people. I think what we do at Amplify and I think is that, you know, we help so many people from different backgrounds but when you get to somewhere you get out of a corporate firm. We don't really appreciate that the different roots different people and backgrounds people have come through and come from. I definitely felt the first couple years for me was a steep learning curve in terms of one in my primary school, you know I was on the top performing students I was super smart. I didn't have to work really hard because I think maybe I was naturally smart. When I got to secondary school I mean people studied Latin French from when they were like five I was just way behind. It made me feel one a little bit like you know, lacking in confidence because everyone else was so far ahead of me and to just made me really go some people and there was a group of us that had a scholarship, and I saw that it went both ways. People can get completely demoralized and just not look I'm never going to be any good, and then completely, you know, photo. But for me I was just like you know I'm going to prove, I'm going to prove prove them wrong, right I'm going to prove. I need to do well. And that allowed me to get a bit of resilience but it wasn't easy it was tough to to settle in. So getting out of that you said you're kind of feeling things out and that's kind of been your career today. So what were you thinking in terms of career then at that point, so getting out of school, going to tell me about that transition. Yeah, what happened at uni and then what happened with the first job. So this is my A levels and I remember this. It was, I think middle of A levels where you get your predicted grace. So teacher sat me down, and I don't know whether it was, they didn't like me I was to like to naughty just whatever. This was the chance I felt that the teacher said I'm going to get Andrew back. You know, because teachers hold your future in their hands. Back then they were the person that gave you your predicted grades that you took to UCAS, and then you would get a selection of universities. You know, I went into the meeting thinking that I could get like a AB or all A's, and the teacher was like, No, I'm going to predict Andrew, I think it was CCD. And so these are the unis you can go to, but me coming from Peckham and I think that was one thing like one thing that's always. I really appreciated living in Peckham was the fact that is like people that are born and raised in Peckham are just like we're going to, we're going to succeed regardless we're going to overcome adversity, like you know, what's the worst that could happen now growing up in this area. I'm just going to bet on myself so I said to my teacher okay you're going to predict predict me that I'm not going to apply for university, I'm going to prove you wrong. I still remember the day that I turned up to get my grades and I walked in. This shows you how naughty I was back then but I walked in, I looked at my grades and I got a mass and economics and being physics, and I walked over to my teacher and I said look I told you so. And that was my like, you know, I proved it but again I was like you know what I'm not going to let anyone stand in my way you know, and I think that's a lesson to anyone you're going to get rejection because people are going to tell you that, you know, you're not worthy of getting a job working in a bank or in a law firm or whatever your aspirations is, but it's up to you to harness that and just say look I'm going to prove you wrong. And that's what I did. And that which led me to not go into uni for a year because I didn't have a university to go to. And I literally worked, worked at, got a job, working at a thing, a motor finance company, and just earned money for a year. And you can just imagine, earning money as an 18 year old, living at home, just meant just partying at the weekend. Life was great. Yeah, it was great. It was great. But it did also taught me about, because I came at the very, very entry level without no qualifications, it taught me that, and I saw everyone else that was earning a lot more than me had a degree. It actually made me realize the importance of having a degree and with that, which made me go to apply to go to Warwick University the next year to study economics. So coming out of then Warwick, where you, or during that period, were you thinking, right, yeah, finance, what would you tell me, what was the process? Was it, because you mentioned law there, as well as finance, was it like, well, how am I going to make them as much money as possible? Was it as quite black and white like that? Or was it this is finance, and then it's like, well, what parts of finance and then were you on top of applications? Or was it much more kind of random than that? And then I was a good question. And I think it was more for me, I'm going to make money. So I was like, you know, very more money-oriented. And I think a lot of people come from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, like, are focused on the money, sometimes to their detriment, right? Because then you end up in a career or a path or industry that, you know, you don't like, doesn't really suit you, but you're going for it for the money. But what I did, so I said, I'm going to make money, but I need to find something that is going to best utilize my skills. At university, I was a poker player. So I played poker as part of the Warwick Poker Society. I actually, playing poker actually paid for most of my universities. I didn't have to take like a student loan or anything like that. I was relatively good. And at the Poker Society, again, it allowed me to meet people that was way out of my normal friendship group. I would never meet these people. And they'll probably never meet someone like me. But everyone was talking about, you know, if you're a poker player, you should go, like, trading will be perfect for you. Trading would be, you know, great for you. Also, I watched the movie. So I watched the movie. I mean, like Eddie Murphy was massive back here and I'm showing my age a little bit. But it was a movie called Trading Places. And it's about, you know, this kind of homeless kind of like, you know, guy on the street who's played by Eddie Murphy. He has a chance encounter with a stockbroker. They switched lives almost. And now he goes from being on the street to like trading in the stock market, driving a Bentley, having a butler, living in a mansion. I was like, I want that life. So those two things poker and watching that movie made me think, okay, trading, trading. But I didn't know how to get into trading. And it was just through chance, really, that I was on campus. And firms used to come to work or lucky to have firms that came to work. And everyone knew that, you know, these firms gave free food at their presentations. I turned up. I ended up speaking to a trader. He said that you should apply. And then I actually ended up one of my friends or classmates or housemates was involved in the society, a diversity firm. I was able to get more educated about about about roles in finance and ultimately get an internship at RBS. And so I'm assuming then you managed to convert that internship into a full time role and you worked in London, but then also New York. Yes. That's quite, I mean, you literally are living the Eddie Murphy journey. You know, I was thinking about the other day and I was looking back, like, you know, I literally had a stopover in New York and I was thinking back to the first time I actually landed in New York. I remember what like what happened was, I was at RBS for two years, and they were like, you know, what do you want to go over to New York to work for a couple of days, and go over, you know, I have a good time and my boss comes back. And I was like, what do you, like, what did you think, what did you like? And I was like, yeah, love, you know, the bars, the city and he was like, would you like to work there? And coming from, you know, Peckham initially, it was such, I'm so used to being in my comfort zone. Right, you know, to go and live in a new place in a new area in a new environment. I was just like, I just said no, I can't imagine being away from my family and friends. And he came back and he's like, are you sure? I was like, yes, I'm sure is. Then he came back and said, you know, we'll pay for your combination. I was like, no, no, no, no, I'm still not interested. And then he was like, you know, like your combination will be like a penthouse. And I was like, hmm, started to get a bit more. And then they threw more and more things in the package. And then there was one, one person that worked there that came from the same background as me. And he said, look, Andrew, I know what's holding you back. It's that fear of, you know, the unknown, and it's time for you to like jump off the cliff, like leave your friends and family. And then I ended up going living in New York, living in the penthouse, which was paid by the firm, right in the middle of Manhattan. Like, you know, the flat was so big, I was able to have like a pool table, full-size pool table. Like, you know, chairs, dining room, event space, and still have loads of space. I wonder like, what do I do with all this space? It was amazing. But it was a great, it was just a great way for me to just see that you go from one extreme, growing up in Peckham to the other extreme. And it was the people who allowed me to meet. So the people that lived in that area were all affluent. And it just allowed me to realize that, you know, there's, I'm no different from them, you know, like they are, they're driven, I'm driven, you know, like they want to succeed, I want to succeed. And that allowed me to overcome a lot of the maybe insecurities I had that, you know, like only certain people made it. And I think that was a great, it was a great opportunity for me to live in New York. During that period, so when you're at this kind of like that peak of that story, when you're in your penthouse, I mean, how do you then, how did you manage the relationships with your friends that you grew up with in Peckham? Did they start to see you differently? Did you yourself even clock that maybe I've changed? Or was there any conflict there at any point? Because you're still young at that point. You know, like, you know, you can take these things for granted and start taking them as normal. And then that can be quite toxic. So was there any, any of that going on at that point in terms of your personal development? Do you know what, to be honest, not really, to be honest, like my friends, actually, they were like, this is a free hotel in New York that could come out. So my friends are coming out every weekend, you know, partying a bit too much, partying a bit too much. But they could definitely see, they could definitely see that. Like, I think my journey inspired them. I'm going to be completely honest, because they were like, wow. Through me, they were able to see that, wow, this is possible. Like, how could, you know, someone like us, or get this kind of opportunity to live in New York, this type of apartment, this, these type of people be invited, these type of parties, this type of access. And then my uncle, my uncle came to visit me once and I was like, wait, he's like, yeah, I like basketball. I was like, okay, yeah, let's get some tickets. And then we were like front row watching like Kobe Bryant play against, you know, the New York Knicks in Madison Square Garden. So there's so many crazy experiences like that. But really, I think it inspired them and my friends and family. It was definitely for me was, I was one thing I did, which I employ anyone to do when you go to a new place. I didn't just hang out with Brits. So it's easy to find like expat community and then just hang out Brits. And you don't really immerse yourself in like local culture, but I've had so many like New Yorkers, New Yorker friends that allowed me to be cut like just introduced to the whole new way of life people. And it made me better. And I think that was where, if I'm going to be completely honest, my aspirations to fulfill some of my creative dreams that maybe I'd harbored from when I was young by seeing so many other entrepreneurs people making money in different ways, like you know that live in New York. That made me start thinking about other things. So it's great to do different things and like work in different areas as well. Yeah, no, I think that's really great advice. And just on that last point before we move forward, you're talking there about what sounded like a great boss, who is there being super supportive, you know, helping you know your interest in your development helping you to make that decision. Have you had other mentors just during the journey like professionally and personally and how important do you see that role in someone's development. It's a good question. You know, I this is the one question I get asked a lot mentors, mentors, and I, I haven't had many mentors. Like, no one in my circle has really gone to those kind of areas knows what no one in my family or friends worked in the investment bank. All right, what have utilized is resources. So I've utilized resources, like, you know, like the diversity character mentioned like SEO, which I, which I, which which helped me get into banking in the beginning. Like books, like I'm an avid reader of books, I read like autobiographies to like learn from people who have done it like people who I aspire to be and then kind of get things from their journey. So I'm more. So when people say to me be my mentor, I find it like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, like, you know, this is that mentorship is like, I feel like it's a marriage, you know, you can get so much out of reading books. Like, listening to podcasts, YouTube, like, you know, find examples of who you want to be, and just read about them study them, and then try and follow the past, rather than having someone direct you and tell you. Because sometimes I get some friends that say to me all the reason I'm not getting ahead is because I can't find a mentor. And I'm like, are you going to let that stop you when there's so much information out there that you can so I would typically tell people really read books, watch movies, YouTube videos, podcasts, and you will find as not as much inspiration as you need to make it ahead. Yeah, great. Because that's that's something that everyone can can have access to that sense and so moving on then and wanted to talk about how your time at RBS ended. And I know you mentioned before you had to then you've gone from penthouse back into the back bedroom, living with your family and I think dealing with rejection is definitely something I guess whether you're a university student applying for a role in finance or whether you're in your career, and you get let go rejection and then resilience to get over that a really integral key ingredients it seems to to have in life to achieve success to talk me through that period and how did you deal with that. Yeah, so I'm going to take you back so and again this is showing my age, you know, this is 2009 2009, I'm still in New York. And I give a boss comes to me and says look we want to give you a new contract to stay in New York for another two or three years. You can stay in conditions more money. You can stay in New York I can see my boss said to me, I can see you obviously enjoy New York, you know stay Andrew. This is a great package. It's the financial crisis. People are losing their jobs. Andrew, this is a good deal. But, and it was a good deal. It was absolutely a good deal. However, my girlfriend at the time was living in London. Do I come back to London. I like the girlfriend who I absolutely love is in is in London, or do I stay in New York. Like also, and I got my girlfriend. I mean, like, so yeah, she was like you were having back and forth. Would you come to New York. She really like New York, you know she's a Londoner. What do I do. So I said no my boss said like no offered me more money I said no and I was like, look, I was going to stick to my guns no and I said to myself. I'm going to go and see what happens. So I came back to London. And after about nine months, I got like one of those came in the morning said I'm you can come to the 10th floor. Then it's a HR rep and someone who I don't recognize. And they're like, give me an envelope and say you've been made redundant. So I was like, you know, you just get that feeling, especially when you're a graduate. So when you're a graduate, it's like you've been sold your family where together you know you're being brought into the culture. So to get made redundant as a graduate, coming through the graduate system, we just feel like it's almost like a gut wrench that you've just been, you know, someone's like really, really like you've been as astro size you've been almost like just been expelled from your family. And it's the people that I've like known and it's like, so I was so, I was so demoralized by it. I was so demoralized by it, but it myself walked out, went home, and then really gave me a chance to think, okay, Andrew, what is the one thing you'd really like if you had time. And the great thing about being made redundant from a bank is they do give you like nine to 12 months like money. I'm not sure it is now, but that's how it was then. So I was like, like you've got nine to 12 months, what would you want to do? And I went back to when I was a kid. And again, very different background from everyone else. I grew up in a very religious household. So it was religious to the extreme where my parents didn't allow a TV in the house. So we had no TV. All we could do is just like read books. My mom and dad thought the TV was the devil. It's going to bring in, it's going to corrupt our minds. And now everyone has like smart smartphones. And my mom and dad, my mom and dad addicted to smart phones. So like, it comes full circle, but so we didn't have no TV. So growing up, we had to use our imagination a lot. So imagination when we read books, when we play games, and as a dreamer, when I was young, I was like, you know, one day, like that one thing I wasn't able to have I'd love to create something for TV. But you know, when you know that when you don't have something you want it, you almost more drawn to it. So I was like, I want to create something for TV. And that was my inspiration. I said, okay, I'm going to be a TV producer. I'm going to make TV content. And lucky my cousin was a TV producer. So we joined forces and they started a TV production company together. So without without diving too much into TV production, I guess my line of questioning on that side was, what did you learn from that experience that you've now kind of brought into your toolbox for for your your current situation. So what what did that world offer you that perhaps wasn't present in finance in a trading role. Yeah, do you know, like, TV, maybe believe anything is possible. Like, you know, you take an idea, like from, like, you know, it's just a conversation you have with someone you have an idea. And then okay you're right, you put on paper that you hire some actors they act out they bring it to life. And all of a sudden you have something you have a product. It's just started from your imagination it's become brought to life. So it really got some of my creative juices flowing. It also got some entrepreneurial ambitions, you know I always wanted to be out there, like making deals and this obviously this is related to what I do now. Obviously you make a product. Now you have to sell it. So I made a show, a TV show, basically about my upbringing really, like, you know, born in, like Nigerian parents, born in born, me being born in England and my siblings and how that dynamic between you and your parents are. So, like, you know, just a normal family sitcom. But now I had to go out and sell it. Right. So, you can imagine, I didn't come from this industry, so I'll turn up to conferences. Without no ex, no, like no leads, go up to speak to people network and out my business card, follow up calls have meetings, get my heart broken, you know be told that you know we're going to buy your show and then person like goes quiet or gets leaves their job and then goes all over again. So I've got that learning of being like being able to sell yourself being resilient, not taking all the knocks, but also being like just keep, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. And that ultimately allowed me led me all the way to be able to sell my my show to go to go and Netflix. So that was one key thing and that's why I can really empathize with students who. Okay, you've left uni, like you've graduated you don't have a job you desperate to get into banking or into trading. You need to pound those doors I've done it. You know you need to go to those like networking events I've been there need to sell yourself you need to make people be so memorable that people talk about you after you've left. And really do all you can to break through and just keep going and that's what I learned from from TV just keep going and if you're persistent enough and you have a good enough product, like you will make it. So what what drew you back into to coming back into the financial sector then. Do you know what I mean people always asked me this like Andrew you've done. Okay, why don't you stay on TV, you know you didn't. Why don't you go back into banking trading like what, like what, like, what, why are you here, why are you doing this job and it boils down to. I'm almost compelled to help people based on the fact that I was given a lot of help in the beginning of my career. I didn't have that social ability of scholarship that took me to to private school. I have no doubt I would have done well, but it would have been a different path. All right, you know I had no doubt that I would have been able to you know my persistence or whatever, but it'd been down a different path. You know if I hadn't had that help when I was at university to get into an investment bank, I wouldn't have been able to have that life in New York, like trading and then ultimately go into TV and follow my dreams. There was a point in time, you know I think around 2018 when I was like, you know assessing my goals. You know mid 30s and I was like you know it's time to give back Andrew you know you've done you've done relatively well. It's time to give back and that's why I'm here that's why I'm passionate about helping young people from all walks of life to really go and discover their dreams and finance because I personally know it's a great stepping stone to allow you to achieve whatever you want to in life. And I think, yeah, like, I think my friends that know me understand that passion. And I hope to have influenced many people during my journey back into like, you know, this world. Yeah, and so kind of to finish on then perhaps I know you've been with us now for a couple of months, but I've been a part of some of these conversations you've even been formalizing these kind of ideas of what you want to do in your role with Amplify me perhaps you could just give me a little bit of a overview of the types of things that you're working on at the moment. Yeah, I know absolutely there's like two or three main things two or three main things. Firstly, firstly we're looking at trying to level the playing field trying to level the playing field so great thing about Amplify we just look at your performance. We're not really focusing your CV or your background and where you come from. If you come, you do our simulations, you show interest, you keep doing our simulations, you know you develop you get better and better over time. We know that counts for a lot you're passionate you're interested, you know you really want this. We want to introduce you to clients who want those type of students as well that are hardworking and really want to get to finance. So my job at Amplify is to match the two you know students with clients, get more clients on board. So we can have these fantastic students and help students who may typically have struggled down the traditional path to get into their dream job. Secondly, and this is one of my diversity goals is just around increasing the proportion of women who go into banking. The good news is my then girlfriend, like became my wife, so you know I won. I won, you know, so I've been blessed with a daughter as well so I definitely want when she grows up, so that she can have equal opportunities and obviously you see the disparity in finance. So again, our simulations is about introducing, you know women who may not look at finances option so that they can try it out, see what it's like and if they like it, come to Amplify to help them to get jobs as well, and clients as well who want to tap into to help young women as well. Yeah, and I know this summer you kind of spearheaded this program of us identifying some of the most talented women through the free simulation we run in partnership with Morgan Stanley and they were sponsored then to do a three week intensive program with us and I sat with them all in a room actually last Friday, because it was the end of that that program and such a, such an electric atmosphere like when it was just this group of women to work really closely with each other. So this was all online and then they finally got to meet each other. It was like they were old friends and they were buzzing and it was like, I've never seen a group of women as such confidence, even though they came from a variety of different groups, both from their academic studies, both from their ethnicity, both from how much they knew or not about finance so from the what they're studying, but they had this camaraderie, and this kind of just ethos of just being super willing to learn open with each other. It was so refreshing because sometimes when I see groups of, or I should say individual women in a mixed group. I guess sometimes it can be quite easy to be overpowered by the male voices in the room, particularly in certain types of professions within the subset of finance jobs, because some are more heavily male oriented than others. So yeah, it was really great to see them now get that confidence and build out that support network. And now, like, to see what they do next is like super exciting. So yeah, I think they're all going to absolutely smash it now. No, absolutely. And I just think it's just, yeah, we're just we're here to level the playing field, you know, women can do better than men, you know, as well as all better than men. And it's about just, like, you know, how can we sell finance to anyone who feels like, you know, this could be something that they can go into and, and I always tell people whether it's, you know, whatever your, you know, your background is look, look at me as an example, it completely changed my life, allowed me to go on to do so many other things. You know, so it's a great starting point in your career. And that's a message, you know, an amplifier we tried to just, you know, share with all the students, you know, fulfill people's dreams people come to us with dreams and aspirations and it's our job to make it a reality. Well, that's a good finish right there. So no, look, such an incredible journey and I'm sure you're only halfway through. I haven't finished yet. We want to do great things. We're going to do great things. You know, to everyone listening, I know, like, you know, whatever you're thinking in your dreams are like you will be able to achieve it. You know, don't don't let anyone tell you don't let anyone stop you in your journey. You've got to put in the work, you know, we were we're here to help, but it's on you, you put in the work you will, you will succeed. And I'm just, and I'm all here for it and I'm ready just to see you do well. So, and so thank you for this opportunity. It's been good speaking with you. Yeah, likewise. And just to conclude, I think, if I'm right, you know, I'm going to hold your feet to the fire with this promise you made me last week. I know that you have, you're a published author, you have a book, and it's about the successful job hunter where it talks a little bit about your story and the lessons you learned and how you used a lot of that to help you in the application process. So I think we're going to make that free for a period for people to download the digital version. Is that still good with you? Yeah, that's good. So basically what it is. It's great book, the successful student job hunter. It's complete loads of stories, loads of stories, like every example I give to help you get your job is backed up with a story. Me playing poker, me DJing somewhere across the world, me going to New York, just different stories and examples to help you stand out interview, ace your interview and get your dream job. And we're going to make it free on Amazon for like two or three days. So hopefully at the same time as from the day this podcast lands, that he'll be free for two or three days. Perfect. All right. Thank you, Andrew, for sharing that. And yeah, I'll see you in the office. Thank you everyone. It's a pleasure. Thank you, Anthony.