 All right Hello everybody if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer weekly live It's working I can see it right there. Can you see my head? Can you see your head? Yeah, you're in the frame Don't lean that way. Okay. All right everybody. Hi. We have a big audience as you just heard I'm sure everybody heard that over the mic No, I'm engaging our you know our viewers joining me as my new permanent co-host Tyler This is what I realized I probably need a catchphrase you do Also joining me yes is Tom sadly. He's here. What's up Tom? Hello friends. All right I'm so excited to be doing this live. This is wonderful quick shout out to Damon who Helped us organize this whole thing and gave us the room and all of that. He leads up all the hobby stuff here I hope everybody is participating in all the hobby events at adept con if you're watching this out there in the audience And right here, it's okay. Yeah, that seems like good Yes, thank you for watching that live because obviously I can't do it right now If you're if you're here, I hope you're enjoying the hobby classes and doing all the fun stuff I mean, that's what this event is really all about right? It's the hobby stuff all the rest of this is just ancillary Something I've heard they play games. I've never taken part in them And if you're not at adept con you're missing out you should come here next year. There we go. Okay, so we're gonna get right into it No other Is that better? You didn't do anything Never mind. All right So What does it say? What about your face? Oh your face is in the way. Oh the mics in the way your face I don't know move in a direction that gets it out of your face. You do you this is Tom here. He's there. Okay Let's talk about the GW reveal everyone Everybody's important Tom. All right, we're gonna do some Q&A afterward by the way. Let's get into this Overall hot takes here. We go the reveal show Tyler One out of ten one being you would have rather done literally anything else in the entire universe Up to and including repainting all the walls in your house and then watching them dry you don't mean it was the Greatest experience of your life bar none. It was religious. You had an epiphany. You have seen the face of God One through ten, how are you rating every there is no trees? So three out of ten have us okay, we're not we were exposed to get so that's not everybody knows that and Skaven and we didn't Ghost pirates like Like we finally got pirates No, we finally that's not that I'd say give me a number. Oh Seven I mean, I'm really excited because like like they're dead, right and they're pirates Like this is like this pretty good like Konstantinos. I know Vampirates. Yeah IDK Whatever don't really care about any of that because we actually I got night haunt and I was right after I also have to say That there was this that the boat was gonna be a thing that the boat was gonna be a good night hot thing It's about 18 months late, but you nailed it. I did No, no, but like if you go look at the rumor engines. I called it. This was ghost like this was like undead pirates Okay, I'm giving it to you. I'm not gonna argue. Thanks At least you the correct answer was four out of ten and most of that was for a game. I don't play That is the correct answer. All right, what'd you guys think? Yeah, whatever else you're saying Yeah, it's the night on the night hot carried it Let's do this I'm gonna raise my hand slowly and I want you to clap when I hit your number. Okay, everybody know what I'm saying Okay, if you're a one out of ten two out of ten three out of ten four out of ten five six seven Okay Look, I mean that doesn't tell the whole story. Look, I don't want to be I'm not gonna be mean to anybody here But I'm but like we never do that on the show never do that I am a positive person by nature, but look legit. I was let down by this by this preview show I'm sorry I thought this was the first adepticon in three years the largest wargaming convention in the US the new home of Golden Demon in the United States the biggest the best the most important the most awesome Right Okay, then an anemic 25 minute preview mostly of stuff we knew was coming Doesn't really feel like it blows me away. Why are you so negative? Yeah Like I wanted to see something really impressive for every game system now part of this of course is me reacting to the fact that I mean, I'm sure if you're like a Horace heresy fan, this was actually a pretty good good day for you What about the pig and the little pig was fun Look admittedly. All right, that that pig was the best part of the preview That's a strong statement. I'm ten out of ten on the pig I'm ten out of ten on the beer thing okay So but like I just you know it we we this is supposedly like a two-hour window of time They blocked out that was legit 25 minutes of content Okay, like we're gonna film more than that and and like absolutely and like hey I appreciate them moving through it quickly like Mike and Eddie are both awesome people. They're both super nice. They're great I have nothing against anybody who put all that together and all of this But like man bring some real reveals show us some stuff like this feels like it fits in an overall It's not something special. We've always had a pretty big model release Yes fire the cons for a west every year need I remind us check the tapes go to the records Daughters of Cain the rock and roll. Nope. No, you're wrong. The second rock and roll video came out here Oh, yeah, I know the second one came out here It did that was the one where this is where they reveal morality at any rate The point is is that there's been so much good stuff here. That's true. Okay, I acknowledge that at any rate Let's get into what was here and talk it through. I've got this 40k thing up on the screen because I actually think it's like a thing I'm super excited for I like painting imperial nights and cast nights and these guys are actually super cool So if you're a 40k crossover like this was a total win for me. The birds were great Yeah, I love like the vultures. Everybody thought was an AOS thing turned out to be no What a wonderful Such a great left turn they pulled out of that rumor engine. So yeah, the bird's been solved Yeah, I don't like this night's horns, but I like his cool tentacles and stuff we seen before Yeah, I'd give him a different face mask, but teach their own. He's awesome. He's awesome. The little on a juror war night is awesome a plus good stuff, but we're not a 40k show, so who cares But I am very excited to paint these nights We don't care indeed. All right, let's talk about the actual AOS adjacent thing here Which is underworlds? Okay And let's talk about this this warband So the exiled dead Well, I'll just scroll through the pictures here Doesn't he looks like a mix of like a delac character Yeah, the necromancer the mix of a delac character with the with the jeans to your cult So let's talk about harrow deep here. We go. Who's excited about this exiled dead All right, I got like okay, let's do this hands in the air, please if you're excited for the exiled dead in the room Okay, one two three four five in a half you get a half credit So I mean that tells the story right it's underwhelming. It's underwhelming look man I they showed us big arm guy. Yeah, and I thought cool We're gonna get a crew of Frankensteins like yes, that's the official name. They're Frankensteins You remember like right when I started I was like, oh, let's get weird, right Let's get super weird give somebody else a big leg and give somebody a giant head And we got like a crouching ghoul Yeah, we got like more we got like what looks like some pretty good conversions on the base zombie kid Somebody with a moderate amount of conversion talent Got that zombie kid and was just like yeah, I can do some of this. I can put some 40k bulls in the bag Like what disappointed me the most was actually the necromancer. Yeah, because Nothing about that models like said techno Nothing about the model said anything regarding like electric like there's no those diodes or none of like it just it was so Blame to me. Yeah. Yeah, but what's fascinating is like with a head swap. He would be decent, right? It was interesting that they said that he was a vampire necromancer, which is not something we've seen So it might be an interesting direction that they're going That stuff is pretty sweet You put a big electro thing on a normal stick like a stick he found outside in the woods It's like I got I've got this super high-tech thing that raises the dead with the power of electricity Which by the way, this isn't the real world. Hmm. This is the mortal realms We don't need the power of electricity to raise the dead. They just raise all the time on their own It's just a thing that happens. Yeah, I ate some bad cheese on Tuesday. What happened all the dead in the town raised Oh, man again You know, it's like it's in a magic world like the whole private science monster story Is it as impressive? I had to use pseudoscience magic. It's cool Monday. Yeah, absolutely Like, you know, Frank is I was a cool story when it was the real world and it was the 1800s And I'm like my story ever written. Yeah, exactly. All right. Yeah, so overall Let's let's heart monitor this ready. Here we go So All right. Yeah, like Right, I wanted to see more of like a mad scientist type vibe I wanted to see more of like I wanted to see more cool Experiments of them shoving different him to like shoving different dead together Prank of science a really cool concept, right? It's all the different body parts stitched together. It's a strange monster We could have had more exploration there like with all of the different creatures of AOS. Yeah Yeah, you imagine. Why are we still just stitching together humans? Right like other things die like bugs and orcs and yeah But like imagine we stitched together an orc head on like some insectoid bodies like two insectoid arms Right with like grot legs sure just teeny tiny So anyways, I mean, it's they're all good, you know, again, I don't want to ever make the sculptor feel bad or something like he did Fine work. They're good-looking zombies. It's good-looking models. None of this looks bad It's just I wanted to see more you could shave the bolt off and just have more zombies, right? Yeah, exactly. It just it doesn't feel like we went far enough, right? I would have liked to see more Okay Next up the realm of beasts literally comes to life. Okay, so Let's just get into this thing here Dude, I love that dude. All right, the Thondian strong point. I'm gonna start on this box Yeah, because this is the relevant part. Okay, who's excited for this realm-based Terrain box hands in the air put them up One two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve. Okay more thirteen. All right more more for this Yeah, so about Four years ago, I was at Warhammer Fest in the UK and I was talking to the head of their Like scenery and terrain group and I said, you know, it'd be a great idea You have these realms and they have wildly different terrain in the books What if we just did like a box of terrain for each realm that people could build their tables? That was my New Year's ball in here. It was yes. Yeah, and I predicted it to everybody Before the mortal realms existed is when you predicted it And I'm not trying to claim credit for this. This is not that's not at all. I'm saying I'm just saying like I think that's been an idea that's been in the zeitgeist for a while because it wasn't I wasn't the only person who thought of that This is good. I actually like this. I like that they're really like a lot of these strange pieces I like I don't know if anybody's built those buildings yet that came in it Did anybody pick up this box that when they would have had the some of the pieces previously They're actually really nice. I will say that they're functional. They're like good L shape. You can fit good units in them It's really easy to see that you're in the space. Like they're good functional nice quality terrain What do you like? What do you like the new crate dragon piece of terrain? That's what that is, right? It's the crate dragon. You mean the monster the thing like on the ground. That's oh the crate right? It's fine. Okay What do you think Tyler? What do you think of the luminous piece where in z-cad we have the waterfalls and I know Yeah, we were just talking about that. Yeah, I mean I dig the top part Yeah, what the train project we're gonna do a table of all this new stuff from deep cuts got an amazing realm of Heavens Matt's plug for them They're not paying me or anything so but yeah Yeah, no idea, but the bottom half yet What I'll say is this though. I love like I want to know what's going on with all of the like earth motes They just have endless water flow. I'm sure sure because like the thing in the lumen earth terrain and apparently now it's in Like What it's saying is that if you're in the mortal realms and you find one of these things it's a highly valuable resource, right? Like I could see that I could see that and listen water spring. Okay, cool. Yeah, crate dragons fine All right, are we all excited about this guy right here our our our new monster the incarnate guy Everybody like the new incarnate. Yeah, let's go hands up. Who likes the new incarnate, dude? Does everybody remember the old monster sarkanum incarnate of beasts in the carnate of playa? Okay, like clearly. Yeah, this is clearly like a take on that idea. Yeah, this dude looks cool I'm not sure about what it means when it's a thing. Everybody can add to their army. Well, they said it could be summoned Like it's kind of a point for it. Yeah, it's a few hundred points, right Sure, like but it also seemed to be summoning like a monster because they mention Nate like they named monster, which is awesome No, you know like not a surprise. Yeah, I've been playing night one, right? And first of all this thing would look beautiful as a night on model Like you're all that painted up with like glowing green. It'd be great But more than that. It's a monster like my army notoriously doesn't have monsters So like getting monsters actions and something I would assume that it's gonna be a war scroll with the keyword Yeah, so this might be a really interesting solution to some right pull yourself in so do we think it's gonna be Predatory like it's gonna like predatory like if the wizard guys like that's what they kind of that's what they said it goes All right, I'm gonna construct a world here for you ready. Let's let's construct a world Yeah, okay, if this thing is too good by even 1% What happens? Everybody has it right because that's the only thing that stops two good things if dragons tomorrow We're just like whatever every faction you can take them now Hence the point I'm saying like imagine it's going to death and everybody now. I just see like The floodgates would open so like you gotta be really really really careful with a piece like this because if it's even 1% too good It starts showing up not literally in a hundred percent of lists. I'm okay, but it shows up in like a lot Like 80% of list like I summon my incarnate. I summon my incarnate. Oh, we should have more Pokemon Because every battle is just Pikachu against Pikachu That's it. We need some more types in here So this would like be like the Steelix or whatever that guy I know that one because I watched the cartoon when I was stuck at work. All right, so at any rate Pokemoning all right, so If this thing so it's let's say it's not too strong Then your only other choice is to like wheel it back and make it weak and then no one takes it No one buys the box unless you have the situation you talked about where it legitimately makes something That has some unique element that some armies could find valuable, which is like boy. That is a Like get out Robin Hood and split the arrow with the arrow. Do we think they can do it? Yeah, it can be done I think they can do it a hundred percent. I I hope that's what this feels like where you just mentioned It's a monster for my army that doesn't have monsters or it allows some versatility I absolutely believe in the rules team and that they can do it and I hope that's what we get I hope we don't get the other two sides. I Guess okay, all right Yeah, no when I saw this okay, let me let me take you back to my emotional stage I'm sitting in the front row of the preview And I'm like All right, I am thus far deeply underwhelmed And I'm like, you know every other one there's been one preview item and then it like blows right they were just like they were Right and then they're going right to the next one and I'm like, okay That's all we're getting just this thing and then they start up another another age signal thing. I'm like, oh, yeah Yeah, we get to be the one that has to I'm so excited. You thought we were getting an army, didn't you? Well, we'll get there All right, and instead what we get is this instead we get our ghostie boy Oh my gosh, so we're our goal. We're actually getting two units for night hot. I I I can't believe it Like this this is this is a mirror. Yeah, right. Oh, yeah, but I Know not gonna bait me into that one I'm not talking about a crossbow tonight. Um, no, so like this pirate guy. This is a standalone kit folks That's huge. We thought we were only getting like one-off heroes. Yeah, sure Look, he's in a boat Being in a boat does not Equal pirate. I mean if I take the Staten Island ferry I'm not suddenly like putting on my passion ravaging the high seas But you could I don't think I can I think that's the point. There's a gap there Look at me. I am the captain now. How deep in the ocean can this boat go? Not at all. This is a ferry, sir All right, I mean it's a pirate No, it's a it's a ghost captain. I'll give you that because you do if you step on a boat You do become a captain. He's the only dude, so I'll give you ghost captain. Well, he he Portages people around I'm not gonna call him a ferryman. He portages people Yeah, he's he's fantastic. I'm the first thought was He's playing a role that dreadblade heroes are already playing the way that they describe him Right and launchy and the soul seeker and launchy and like we have it in the spell ghost Yeah, I that is literally carrying troops around and now we have another one, right? Yeah, so just for these give us Yeah, I don't know sculpt wise this guy is an A for me. I love this dude. Whoever sculpted this It's fantastic like this is so did everybody like so let's do this hands up who likes the the ferryman who likes the Winner. Yes winner winner. Yes, and that's my point like a great sculpt like a great model That sums up everything right when you see a great model you even if you're not playing that army It's exciting when it's cool, right? And we just have to accept it like terrain or a generic endless spell guy He's just not the same. It's just not the same. I am so excited for this night mom Yeah, I'm sure like this is he's a he's a game changer because here's the question Tom for you is this The high wound hero that knight haunt have needed. No does this guy? Does he have nine wounds? He probably has eight. You don't think he has nine wounds. That's a lot of both Definitely three wounds about that's three So do you think he has ten wounds? He's got No, he'll be eleven. The world I want. I'll be right over what you Ten wounds, that's the problem. The world I, it doesn't matter, you can't get any cover anyways. The world I want is you But you would lose a lookout sir. I do want you to be a ten wound hero I want it so bad just because I want to see the crest full. I'd be like I want to go to chart your emotional state and down No, I mean hopefully they've learned their lesson and black coach is a hero monster. There you go Like that's just two keywords. Don't have to change anything else. We're good And this guy can be however many wounds and he's fine like Does he teleport go surround? Yes. Okay, Tyler. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I think does his or dead for three damage No, he said he said the ore hits really hard and does a lot of damage. Is it a three damage or it's a D3 Okay, I wanted to be three damage so I can continue the joke of it doing more damage than a Giants Club Want him to hit people with that's legitimate. I mean what I'll say is this This from the way they described him. He actually reminded me not of the dreadblade hero But he reminded me of the command ability. So the night haunt command ability is he spent a command point during movement phase And you teleport a unit to you And it makes me like as soon as they said that I went oh, we're losing that command ability Because now it's gonna be tied to this guy, right? And you know what I don't hate that like he's a beautiful model It is interesting. They said he's a centerpiece. Yeah And so I don't know what that's gonna mean. I assume that's why I'm saying I think he's a big hero when they say centerpiece is like GW code for Many wound for a hundred and four model a hundred dollar model. Yeah, I mean, so these are a lot of things means this is a hundred dollars At least if you're in Australia, you can trade your car for their conversion rates wacky down there and So that's two and then three is like, yeah, it's gonna have a lot of wounds It's gonna be an important part of your arm. Sure, right? I think I see that I think this thing's beautiful This was the rock star of the night for me and I wasn't expecting it I don't play night haunt though and it's in the end. It is awesome, but it's just one model So now comes the important discussion How did we not see what the summer books are Somebody explain this to me or could we even talk about like night haunt and daughters that are coming, right? Like you could show the books and talk a little bit about them That would have been super underwhelming But at least it would have been something because we actually know those are coming like at this show at the end of March Theoretically we are let's say three ish four ish months away from having those summer books Yeah, right that's in there in a perfect world. Otherwise for six that could be the worst case could be September But let's let's hope three three four months somewhere in that range, right? We all up here. I think believe they're gonna be silver Nephins gave it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, right. Yep. Thank you wife thing. Yeah, I've moved away like from Luminat this summer. I think we'll get them later in the year. Yeah, we got we gotta wait until I mean It'll ride in the winds So if we all believe that and by the way, it's either Sylvaneth or Lumineth now because we saw the KO Tomes Celestials coming At this point we're down to so few potential books because of the Tomes Celestials like through process of elimination We've all managed to to basically cotton to what's happening here. Yeah, so just show us the books I didn't need anything else. I'm already ready to be disappointed when you don't re-sculpt the entire scaven line like you should Hands up if you want to see the entire scaven line re-sculpted. Yeah, there you go. That's not Yeah, you're gonna use old models. That's my point So that's really disturbing that all those hands went up Because it's cool I mean raps but the the point is is that I don't care I don't care if we don't get the re-sculpt just announce the books and talk a little bit about them We're so excited the scaven books gonna bring all too mischief and wackiness and mad inventions to the mortal realms The Sylvaneth are gonna be I guess growing trees No, we're getting new models You know you're not Back me up man. It's happening. Yeah, exactly. I should have those new whatever the turnoff writing turn off writing fleas man That's like those were perfect for Sylvaneth being that I do believe we live in the worst of all possible worlds at this point I think that the great Yeah, I think that the the great great true irony of my life like talking about my disappointment scale would be they're like New self nothing scaven really scaven you get a book and the requisite hero that comes in the versus box. Yes, right? Sylvaneth for new units What is happening sounds like everything Tremanna ancient or whatever you get they get a new tree lord. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it is an order No, that's oh no curse and they're kind of elves. I bet they are kind of I back the wrong play All right, so that's basically the preview show We haven't talked about the season war. We did that's the oh That's fine. You're right. I'm sorry already with the question of the night. Yeah. Yeah, he's still here. I'll mention it here I'm sorry. There you go. You're right. I apologize as part of Thondia. We're getting this book. I am sus Let's talk about this. Okay. Are we getting I'm sorry to go with you guys. Is it what's the 40k? It's like every six months, right? Yeah, they're getting a season, right? Is that what I got? I hope not Are we going to the six months 40k seasons? I don't think so. I think this is more like Because they said it's continuing on a broken realms when they were like, yeah, it's a whole new book introducing the narrative of Thondia I was like Okay, cool. I don't care, but great. This is good for people who care Like I don't mean that in a good way like not every product needs to be for me I was happy to see it narrative expansions are cool. Lots of people really get into that a plus I want tons of narrative stuff out there. Everybody likes to drink that stuff up Awesome, and then they were like and it's got match play rules in it, too. And I was like, oh, no No, we don't need that so you missed like so you were setting up for this But for the Q&A they you know somebody asked about it And one of the things they said is that like there will be a new GHB But the rules were meant to be kind of a both and yeah And so that there will be there will be match play kind of competitive content Potentially scenarios stuff like that to be used in addition. So you missed that And that again that probably isn't going to be in the article. So it's interesting to me that That they're going down that road You know, yeah, yeah, I mean here. Let's let's look at the actual article Season of War Thandia includes realm rules for setting your games in Thandia and mechanics for creating your own hero from the realm of beasts So that'll be the narrative. Let's see that back. Yeah a grot priest on a dragon anyone. Yes, I would love that I would love that we would all love a grot priest on a dragon anyone who doesn't get out of this room No, it'd be great You know would be explorers you crack open this book We'll also find the deals of details of fantastical flora and fauna to be found across girl cool beans Like that all sounds great I love the idea of more narrative stuff if they if we were including match play stuff the match play stuff I would want and here's exactly what you just mentioned. I would like cool new battle plans Sure, like that's where he's okay. I'm good with that what I don't want is like here's the Not Tom celestial not whatever with like two new sub rules for this one army again Just give me the army book. Yeah, season of War Thandia. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting because like the season of war like Monica mm-hmm, like super script or I don't know. Yeah, like I understand there the series that like they're identifying that this is a certain The first one. This is the first in however many they do so it makes me wonder if they're gonna be doing one of these for Like different regions of girl throughout this Edition is basically the yeah, I I suspect we're gonna be in girl a lot longer than just this Yes, that was you Tyler thank you a hundred percent we are not leaving Gerr in this in jp 2022 very infectious the whole taking credit for everything You'll get better Yeah, I mean like if it was new battle plans that new guy, you know cool stuff We can all use for match play that can make the general games were interesting I'm for it if it's two sub rules and now I got to have a fifth book with me for my army. I'm not for it It's that easy. Yeah, that's really that you it's work. Totally gonna have to We'll be in the app, but okay fine All right What wasn't what else wasn't here? What else were you hoping to see Tyler? Well, I mean Yeah, oh what else would have been cool to see general sandbox. Maybe a little preview I mean presumably that's gonna be in June. Sure. So get a slam dunk general's handbook. Yeah, we're doing it What else yeah, I mean it's just weird to come to depth con after you said three years Yeah, and not get but I mean we did talk about how it felt like this is a transition year and it's gonna be battle tones and I mean essentially we got battle tone dread for it. Yeah, right like dominion of chaos We got like battle tone dominion of chaos girl. Yeah, but it's just for girl terrain. Yeah Tom, what were you hoping to see? Honestly a new army. Yeah, sure. I just didn't think it's gonna happen And I agree. I agree. I don't think it's gonna happen, but I wanted it so bad sure Now as one of the only two nine-haunt players that are actually playing in the champs this this weekend I'm super stoked for that For a ghost of pirates go go like go grab the GW crew like you gotta what you got to do Okay, let me help you out here cuz that guy probably exists somewhere in this building Probably he's like if they got those pictures, he exists somewhere in this building Someone has a copy so you need to lie and wait behind a plant And then when you see somebody in a Warhammer TV shirt come by you just Get them. I mean it's drag him into a closet. Hold on. Yeah, you drag him into a closet Just knock about hitman style you put on their Warhammer TV shirt and nobody will know the difference Then you just walk in there and be like how's looking for that night haunt thing. They Steve told me to get it out And they just give you the box like I've seen this in movies But the reality is is that Sure see what you can do gonna take a lot of whiskey. All right Mine was yeah, I mean obviously I want to see this game in book I was really hoping to get a sense of Kind of what they saw over the rest of the year like get it like it would have been neat to for them to extend the roadmap into the winter and and like had or just into the next season or something and said like death and Destruction are the next to like again. You don't need to give me the books like keep that going like reveal Sylvaneth and Skaven. You don't need to show me more than that Yeah, right and then coming and next in the fall or whatever comes with the cold wind comes a new death Tome and a new destruction tome and I'm like, oh, okay, cool now We can speculate on that like that gets us talking. It's interesting and that costs nothing They need nothing like it's a black rectangle with a question mark It would be great if like they just showed us the art of the new books assuming the art change Yeah, sure, like I know that's a big ass all the art will change except for fire slayers The art and my pot. Yeah, sure. Sure. Like neither of those books are changing But They didn't give us that sure so did anybody have anything that you're hoping to see Oh We don't need a new tree kid We've been down there. We take all the existing tree kids We get them together. We bury them in that same hole in the desert where we throw all the ET games I've seen the tweets. Yeah Anybody else any thoughts? Yeah more models, right? Yeah, that's how many actually new that's a great question. How many let's count them How many actual new models did we see? Like in there you're counting across the board. Well, I mean so like let's go. Okay sure the we we saw a bunch for like the ash Whatever People on a ton of models We saw the blood bull team. That was amazing. That was that was amazing We saw one for horse heresy no two for horse heresy two for horse heresy But with the obvious implication that there's gonna be more and they were in like watch the video and you'll you know figure it out like Yeah, we got what we got like the battle tone Gerr box. Yep. Those are new models. They're trained, but it's models new train. Sure. I love train We got the undead warband. Yep more zombies zombies Again, it's not it's not zombie. Oh, and then the night in the cast lens. Yeah Yeah, I mean Maybe it's from my look. I know I have a bias toward a OS. Obviously that's the show is all about But on the on the more fantasy side of things it just didn't feel like we had the excitement this year Right. Well, who did it the 40k people because it like seriously if you're a horse heresy person this Yeah, this is a big deal For you like huge deal with that with because they said hey, there's probably a box set coming What do you think it's probably gonna be full of like plastic stuff or horse heresy? That's really big for you, right? So like I just wish that we we could distribute this more evenly especially at a big show like that I thought we were getting a war cry box. I wouldn't sure like a new edition of war cry, right? Well, we don't want that either, but I would take No, but we're on the edge, right? Like we we're at the three year mark We are we are like you would expect that that's right about where we're at And so I mean next year will be 40k, right? Yep. Next year will be 40k, and then we'll have some now That's true. I mean some else true and then we'll have another launch and then we'll have a OS You're after like where does war cry? Did it? Well, you know this a very wise man put together a little show and he was talking about maybe like a five Year cycle, I don't know who that would have been Might be in this room standing off camera off to the left, but my left And that's that's the right answer like you know uncle Adam and his video talked about like the five year cycle And he actually charted out kind of where the games at fall Yeah, and it's just super logical. It makes sense. You wouldn't feel like you're on the treadmill as much I hope they watch that video and go. Oh, yeah. No, actually. This is right. Let's change our entire business plan I'm sure Minutes away from happening. All right, so that ends the time of the preview people who are watching out in the in the world Hello, everyone. Welcome. Now you can stay tuned in. We're not gonna talk any more about the review show Instead, we're gonna do some amount of time of Q&A We you all can just since this is live and in person you just ask us whatever you want So it's an AMA like we just ask what everyone I mean This is all going live out to the internet, so please be Respectful children watch the show like in all seriousness like please be respectful. Please. Yeah, they don't watch it live So like just don't curse don't say anything inappropriate that kind of stuff Yes, there's a mic that will come around. I need to unmute it and Just turn it on Yeah, I just signed up. There you go Thank you, Uncle Adam for doing our money. Yes Who is too good for this work? I Was wondering what Tyler did for hobby this week It's supposed to be a safe space I am Regretting that if anybody saw that show I felt like an ad about experience why I apparently committed to painting like 20 to 30 units heroes count as a unit everybody Might be 30 heroes, but yeah, not Absolutely, nothing Sorry I've got a little bit of whiskey. I mean, so I'm a little feistier than you should You'll get there buddy. All right Who's got our next question? Yeah, you just put your hand up and then we'll take the mic around Martin from New Jersey It's also this question also involves Uncle Adam because you might know with your kill team expertise With kill team rebooting off cycle because that was what a few months ago that they did it and not a summer release Well, my question was is that if this summer is going to be Horace heresy Do we think that war cry is still getting its three-year cycle just possibly it's a holiday release instead? It's a great question. So I Tend to agree with Uncle Adam and with others who've said that war cry will get updated set this year I think that they'll push it into the late summer early fall But because obviously the heresy launch will be like that's the moneymaker. Yeah, that's the like That's the milkshake that's gonna bring all the boys to the yard as it were and I think that the ancillary game a little bit more I I Think I Think the I think always with the games like kill team and work right they they are ancillary and see them I just don't think they're big enough profit revenue drivers so that they that they feel the need to like schedule a whole Critical part of the cycle around them right because obviously they have the calendar very well understood at this point as to when they release critical items And so I just don't feel like it takes one of those spots. It's probably my answer Yeah, yeah, all right Question by the way, don't worry even if you're talking you you can talk in a normal volume into the mic everybody Here's okay. This is I Chris from San Francisco Since the dragon's we haven't seen any large models for us Yeah, do you think that one this would have saved the show if you get a lot of model and second Do you think there's anything that's gonna come up in the near future or we just gonna wait till the summer It's a good question. All right, I'm gonna let these guys go first Yeah, man, I just like like said earlier. I feel like we're not gonna get a whole lot this year Yeah, they're catching up. They've got a lot of battle tones and a lot of product Yeah, it generally feels like they're behind so yeah, I doubt we're gonna see much. Maybe we'll get Something legitimately new maybe an expansion of an existing range or a new army and maybe early Q4 I'd be my guess but yeah, I Know you might push back we had this conversation in a dedicated show We were pushing back a little bit like that seems very weird to say because they I mean there are a company that's trying to sell models Right, so they have to release you would think new models at some point But yeah, I generally feel like we're not gonna get a whole lot this year. It's kind of weird I mean we got seasonal war going yeah, and that's gonna be a box of terrain Right, like that's gonna be a full-on box of terrain with the monster in it Like these we saw the cover of it. So like the the incarnate is in that box initially and then they said that they're gonna break it out separate So I have to wonder like we're gonna get a dual box for daughters first night on I suspect That's probably closer than we anticipate And then we'll probably get like we know that there's a summer pairing of books of Skaven versus still without us we don't know so rats in trees, right? And so we'll probably get that dual box coming And then like again, I'm a pro bonnet. I think we'll see Luminette this fall And so I I think we're gonna get a lot of dual boxes and so that's a lot of product now That's not new armies. Unfortunately. We probably don't have a new army Like that's just probably where I think it'd be a limit at the expansion we'll get it like We are we are you better tuck in we're getting more hippos And we're getting just it's gonna get it's gonna be standard Luminette wild like it's what we've come to expect We'll probably get three to four kits. Yeah a foot hero Terran no, come on now. That's not what's happening. I push that off to the future. Yeah He'll respond to Malakin sure Like I tend to I tend to agree like the big monsters the big exciting kids Let's let's face it like think about excited we all were when Sort of the mega-gargants were revealed or when Krondis was revealed or you know whatever like you can if those don't catch your fancy like You can pick the one that hits you Right because I suspect everybody in this room has some big model that you that came out within the last couple years That you were like whoa You know that blew you away like for me when I saw the keeper secrets for the first time But the updated keeper secrets. I was like yes, this is what I've been waiting for literally my entire life Yeah, like the twins. Yeah, Texas and in Sinesa, right? Those kinds of things are so bad not only Sinesa's fine. She's fine the Those kind of things not only do I have to imagine their revenue drivers for them But they're also just really excitement-driving like we all put a lot into them You see a lot of great painters want to paint them they you you it's cool That you only have to buy one off and for your army, which is like the best thing in the world Nobody you see a normal a new normal infantry kid or something come out. You're like yay I'll buy 40 of these that's gonna be fun to paint But no one will be saying about that about the crossboost sure but bright sides But if you but you know when you got one you're like, yeah, that's cool like I can do this one thing I can do this one project. Yeah, right? Yeah, I don't think we're gonna get much in the way of that sculpt I mean look they talked about Heresy and that moving into to plastic right think of how much oxygen in the room That is gonna so it's gonna suck up. Yeah, like legit Yeah, this is the launch of something that they see as I like there's a whiteboard Somewhere in GW that says it looks like this and it's like 40k Sales figure numbers here, and then they've got Horace heresy sales figure number here And then they got a timeline and they're trying to make a go to be Okay, and so they're like, how do we make that happen and the answer is put out a lot of plastic Yeah, right so there's only so much time that the team has for sculpting for Putting these models through and obviously we're still just you know dealing with the the pandemic and all that kind of stuff So I think that Tom's probably right I think Q4 you'll is when we'll see some more models. I mean, I'll be honest I didn't would have never never even guessed we were gonna get the So like that surprised me a lot he was way bigger than I thought I think you'll get like a lumineff in the fall or winter and that's that'll be what they've already said that they have those kits done Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah. No Kelly's Yeah, hi guys, I'm Kevin from Chicago is my very first adeptic on my question is And my question is how has it been first impressions so far compared to past events? Yeah, like Good, I mean the badge thing is always terrible I'm gonna see about getting a paying for an app company to develop a new app with digital badges At this point I'll fund it if that's what it takes Like I'm done with that But yeah, like I so far awesome like I love seeing everybody here. Everybody's really excited. The energy is really high Everybody's really positive People are generally stoked and I mean legit It is amazing and wonderful to see everybody's face in the room in this thing for the first time in years I did not know how much I valued coming to this event, which is incredible events in general until they were gone and And seeing all of you and having everybody here. That's why I wanted to do this I guess we'll just make it a yearly thing now But it's awesome and my honest answer is it hasn't even really started yet So get ready because you're gonna be on a really interesting ride over the next couple days Like it's gonna be intensity in 10 cities tomorrow through Sunday Did you sign up for both a OS in it? That's my question Wisdom wisdom there see unfortunately, I am not wise That was never in question So some of us have four days of AOS Probably not the wisest so you not doing more than one event I'm guessing I hope not is the right way to do a depth on the first. Yeah. Yeah Don't do too many events because you really want to experience it for all that it is and so like kudos to you You you can make the mistake someday like I am making now and filling your days with events But enjoy enjoy the day Did you bring an army? You could head down to the Toledo vits guy. He has Super cheap mostly painted by the way. Yeah. Yeah, you can paint an army on the table by by Saturday No problem. You don't know without lifting a brush I saw a lot of painted plate bears down there and those guys are Hey guys Josh Chicago good to see y'all Thanks for doing this live They talked about I believe terrain rules for the Thandia stuff, right? Yeah, like yeah What do we anticipate any thoughts on are we getting like more formalized terrain rules in AOS perhaps or is Narrative Well, there are let's talk about the ways this we need we need two terrain rules. Yeah obscuring and impassable That's all we need and this and we've done it So way number one this goes in the box is they add more like started generic terrain rules That those just have terrain rules that already exist in the game baked onto them, right? like oh this thing is the floating water guy is arcane and Obscuring because there's mist and water rising up from it or something like that You can gain cover from behind it cool Then I'm all on board for it. That's all I really need that kind of stuff, right? Or there's the other way we can go where it's like if you approach within three inches of the waterfall of the endless water stream of Gerr, then you roll a die for every model on the roll of a six that model heals one wound However, if you heal more than 10 wounds Then the unit has become overstuffed on water and it's move distances have until you're next here Yeah, I'm being like slightly facetious, but I'm not Right because like if you have this custom terrain rules for almost like every piece in there I just I don't I don't want it. I don't need it and you know That that's what's gonna be sent to event organizers Sure, who would then just all promptly tossed out to my don't be like no These are just L's in their cover and I mean one would hope yeah, so I don't know man It's a good question. I hadn't thought about that nightmare, but I appreciate you Thank you. Well, say if I got a question, okay Hi, Michael Lee from Montreal, Canada Question who's winning currently the t-shirt contest so in the team Look at look at look at this man. Yeah, he's Team Tyler there in the crowd. Yeah in the team Tyler versus team Tom showdown Team Tyler is still in the lead Until we get to the end I'll see come on I will be like saying double attacks Yeah, sure All I'm saying is if you want Tyler to keep in the lead bow you or Tom to win, you know what to do I'm gonna be bringing a couple out of the merch stuff out in April to the merch store like there was requests for more socks I'm gonna have more. I'm gonna have more socks lots of people. It's been a very popular comment And I did test and get a pair of the socks. They're actually pretty nice. I haven't with me I'm not wearing them at this moment, but I did bring them with me to wherever this weekend We don't need one I mean Yes There's more about me pinning these two against each other for my own personal amusement. I appreciate that. Yeah So I mean my wife has asked the same thing and I told her the same answer never But I am gonna try to add some more stuff so there will be more things coming Like a half dozen people ask for toddler versions like two to five year olds Yeah, what would like young kids like the smaller like baby and child stuff Is that something people would want if so put it in the comments or put it in the chat if you have young kids That's useful. Very weird. So my name is Anastasia. I'm from Ferndale, Washington So a question for winds like since you don't want a short. How about an apron with your name on it? Yeah, so I so I was going to I've been trying to find an apron Like I was I'm wearing one now. I've been trying to find one that we can do part of the problem is the site We currently go through for it doesn't have a good apron And like I'm actually I know this sounds silly, but I am super picky about this Like I have three custom-made aprons, which are these like one of them is the green one That or the beige when I normally wear and then I have a black one my wife got me That says my wife is a Warhammer widow And so I just haven't found one that's of high enough quality That I feel good about putting our name on out in the world like any people can make a t-shirt and it's nice I can test it all those I'm happy with the quality of t-shirts But like aprons have to be I'm gonna stand up here for a second Like an apron has to have like these kind of pockets and you see how far down this one goes all the ones I've seen for sale stop like here. This is not an appropriate length So as the answer is I'm looking at a couple of sites as soon as I can find somebody who has a good quality for it Yeah, I will make one because I really want to put that out there. I Would my pants would be so much more ruined than they already are if I didn't have it. It's a good investment All right, any other questions? Oh, okay I've noticed a small trend with Game pork shop updating a lot of key heroes with the war bands like your skink star priests and now the necromancer Do you think that trend will continue and what other key hero models need updated? Okay, so I'll give my while they're thinking I'll give a quick off-the-cuff answer to this which is I Think they look at those little foot heroes as inspiration for the underworld's war band for kind of who's who's in the mix Right and so I don't know that it's I'm not sure it's really their directs like the way the sculptors kind of lead the They're the tail that wags the dog as it were at GW and so my impression is that They just kind of look around and go what would be the appropriate cool thing I'd like to sculpt or that we as a team would like to make that'll kind of fit into the overall goals And so I think that's how we got the skink starts here, right? He was the right size hero. They're like we want to do a You know, we want to do a Serif on one. Okay, cool. Let's that guy's the right size right guy in the chair too big Little dude too little like yeah, this guy's the right sort of size. We can do the right stuff with him I think it's probably the same with a necromancer. You know, it's just it's a cool one Because we already did vampires so this necromancer vampires Yeah, yeah, that's the skink star seer and that's the new necromancer dude. That's what you're asking Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I think but now that's that's a non answer to your question. I was buying them time to think But my real answer to your question is I I hope that they pick all of the fun little Heroes like that that can sometimes be underwhelming in the AOS game and give them new interesting sculpts So you could pick things like the Warlock engineer in Skaven like a good like it just a simple Yeah, like yeah, thank you like a motor pack master would be a great win in Skaven that'd be fantastic You know having some giant rats and stuff You know in cities just having like an empire or not empire But you know what I mean like an empire general type of thing like that kind of guy like a free guild Commander would yeah, or some more different sorcerers, you know, just you could go all look all around the realms There's lots of those little heroes. They're very character and cool. I'd love to see them Just take a new individual and sculpt on them Yeah, definitely any come to mind that they haven't done yet that you think would be Yeah, yeah, I was looking at the They've done a lot actually go through the 25 factions on the website just realizing a real time how much they've already covered Yeah, no, I think I think it's a great question and kind of little insight. Yeah, the one that struck me was the Like so my son is working on a flesh eater corpse army Mmm, and one of the things that anybody that's had any exposure to flesh eater corpse is that like the courtiers are it's like a It is a nightmare solution Let me just point that out like yeah, you have to take one of your ten models and Make them a hero, but then you're short a model for your unit Like I understand the logistics of what they were trying to do But it's a terrible solution right for them like they said they were trying to pull together These these one-off heroes for this is such a good point. You're dead on they need to make a courtier And they have and they have like Duke mayor over whatever the guy's name is is for specifically for bulls Yeah, yeah, but each of the other two units the players and the Kryptonters Don't have clear hero models and that would be an easy low hanging fruit for a flesh eater corpse I know a lot of people don't play the army But like man that that seems like a very bright clear easy way for that's a great idea. It's a really great idea awesome All right Time for let's say one more question if anybody has another question anybody got one more. All right. Who's our final question? Now that they're making terrain again. Do you think they're gonna fill out the endless spells? I Think the second wave of endless spells We got were originally supposed to be models for an army like for death and then they ended up Shelving and everything like that. Yeah, like you mean like the gosh is on the spells Yeah, those are all clearly the gosh is on the spells like launch on the soul seeker and the Horrigus and all that were clearly supposed to be just like the endless spells for Gosh that they then canned when they saw how they were gonna do everything I think That right now more endless spells are highly suspect Because endless spells come from a different model location than It's China plastic. Yeah, and obviously that's much trickier for them Just because of the increased cost of the raw supply and then for the shipping, you know If shipping costs continue to be three four five times higher and with logistics problems Yeah, the economics and the timing of getting those things across is tough I'm sure that they like all good ideas have their day So it feels like eventually they'll just do more of them in another box set like a new malign sorcery kind of thing But you know when you look at like the armies it's not like they're introducing a lot of new ones with the stuff That's been coming out here like I didn't have to didn't get endless spells, right? And and I think that's right. Yeah, I think that's largely just the supply constraints And they know it's it's not a winner of an idea. So my answer is on What timeline do you mean, right? Because if you're saying like by 2025 sure in the next year? No That would be my guess. Yeah. Yeah, they're in a interesting place, you know, we we're talking about this new Potentially predatory type in the spell that's gonna be really expensive and how it's a very fine line I mean, it's functioning a summon for every army. It's what it seems like the vast majority of the damage in the spells are Non-existent in the meta right now. It's true because they're all terrible. We were just talking about No offensive spells, right? Like tell me other than the gosh chaining arcane bolts, right? And like croak doing his aoe tactless doing his aoe in terms of endless spells Well, yeah, but like who is doing magic damage right now? Yeah. Yeah, it just basically no one basically The major ship from 2.0 because we had quite a bit going on sure All right folks with that that brings us to the end of our Warhammer weekly live in person at adepticon Thank you all everybody Thank you all for sitting with us in this very warm room She's everybody doesn't know it at home, but it's dabbing over here It's fine. It's very shiny. I know Thank you all out there who watched we really appreciate you watching this remote. Thank you all so much Thank you to everyone who gave who you know set us up with the room to everyone at the convention everyone running this I hope everyone who is here has an awesome Amazing wonderful weekend full of the best next four days of your entire life bar none I want you to leave on Sunday and go no no that was better better than when my child was born Then the day I was married. This is it. I have reached the mountaintop. I Have seen the face. Okay, so And with that I'll say thank you as always we really appreciate it and we'll see you next Wednesday