 mean that people are seriously going to pursue that position, I think it's going to be there. But we also expect that there will be similar, you know, high levels of competition for the Prime Minister position and that's it. Right. Yeah. Now with these positions that are coming up, ideally from our leaders who have been there for a very long time, do you think a common youth is into picture? I don't know what you mean by a common youth. You see the older people are always there. So will the youths go for this? Because I remember even like I mentioned earlier, the position like for MCS, which is wide mostly by the youths, was said to be scrapped off. Now, do you think with the Prime Minister and the Deputy and every other thing that will come along, do you think the youths will be engaged into this, or they will leave it to the elderly? What has prevented the youths from buying in this country has nothing to do with the adequacy of political seats. It has everything to do with structural problems, you know, favoritism within political parties, lack of resources. But even more importantly for this country, it is a public that is quite apathetic to the election of public affairs. So if you think you're going to appeal to young people, you realize they're not that very active within the political system. So the problems are much broader, and if the problems are that systemic, then if you're seeking new representation then this particular referendum will only bring granular reforms. All right, and in your own thinking or your own opinion, why do you think the youths are not involved in this political system, majorly? There are many factors. One could cite the levels of education in this country. You know, people seem to imagine because we have very many universities, a thousand graduates every year, that is not a very significant chunk relative to the entire population, right? The other problem is that people are unable to relate their daily problems, you know, with the problems in government, and the problems that we face are largely connected to government. So as it becomes more evident that the problems that we face are connected to, you know, the government, then I think people are going to have greater karma for that. Now, just last week we saw the President giving more powers to one and only C.S. Matiangi. He's now called Mr. Fixit because he's fixing like everything. Now, do you think this was a position of a premier in disguise? A premier in disguise? It might be. It might very well be to the extent that the powers that it seems to have, of all intents and purposes, the powers of a prime minister. If you see a person bringing together, you know, essentially convening a meeting of cabinet, you know, and a number of cabinet secretaries answering to the pan, then you might be tempted to think this is a prime minister. So I think it's a prime minister who doesn't have the title in other words. All right. Now, being the prefect of the other C.S. always colleagues rather, what can you see about Dr. Alfred Matiangi? I think he's going to do a good job. Those who are concerned about Matiangi's continued presence in government even after 2022 might say that this puts him on a coalition course with the deputy president. That might well be the case, especially for a person who might be interested in political office of being in public service after 2022. So that might present problems for him. I see how those problems might emerge there. But I think he's a very effective man. You look at all the ministries he has been, his performance has been quite exemplary. And I think we have to give it to him as we are those of us that are concerned about the trajectory of this country's predicament economic affairs. Before we move on, you as a person or as a Kenyan, do you think it was a way of humiliating the D.P.? I don't think so. I don't think so. And I think those people- Because anyone would have expected the deputy president to be added more power, not the C.S.? I think it only means that the president doesn't have much confidence in the deputy president, especially in executing those particular responsibilities. And I see how, because it's quite evident that the deputy president is more concerned about the politics of 2022, despite all his disguises, that is about development and that is just meant for the common man. But if you analyze it critically, it's just meant to advance his political course in 2022. And therefore I think the president sees this. And as he has realized, he cannot realize, he cannot depend or realize his political ambitions, you know, depending on, you know, the deputy president. So I think it's just for someone else. And who else do you look at? Matiangi. All right. Could we hope for Matiangi getting a bigger position now, apart from the C.S. prefect or the premier that is- You know, Matiangi is a guy who wrote a very nice quorum over the weekend, in which he said that this man is just but a political godfly for DP Ruto. Matiangi has no political clout. You know, people will estimate him even in QC. He has not tested the waters politically. So he might have the powers, you know, that comes with being a public official, but in terms of being a politician, the money is not tested. Right. And I think we need to bear this, put this into consideration. And therefore I think if he is in good terms with the DP, then he might continue to be in government. But in terms of a political position, I don't see him pursuing that, but a political position. Now, let's talk about his performance for the last three events that have happened. Let's begin with the matatu industry. He's not in the matatu industry, but he affected the formerly Michoquillos and the Wiso, how the whole nation or the Kenyans in the matatu industry obeyed to the rules. Now, do you think we need someone like that in leadership, speak of the presidency, who has some sort of dictatorship? Dictatorship is a huge word to use. It's a huge word to use. But you require a person who is firm, you know, and a person who, I'm a tricky kind of person, a person who says we are going to do this and pursue it. There are concerns, much earlier, remember with some of the decisions that Yang Yan made, whether he was, you know, sticking to the precincts of the constitution. I think those were genuine concerns, right? So I think the person who is there must try to remain effective within the confines of the constitution. Especially within the legal architecture in which this country is moving into, and that will be crucially important. All right. Now, we are running out of time, but then with these morals added to him, do you think he will execute them effectively like he has been doing, especially now that we have a question of security? You know, that's an important question. You know, every man no matter how effective as 24 hours in a day, they can only do two months, right? So I think we are yet to see. I don't want to engage in too much speculation on that one, but we are yet to see. There's a possibility that it might be stretched, right? But I'm aware of one or two things within the Interior Ministry, and I know they have a very wonderful team that is managing the entire sector, the internal security. So it's possible that even if he dedicates attention to other areas, that his principal mandate will be properly catered for. All right. Yeah. I want us to finish by answering this question. You might have answered it earlier, but then do you think stripping the presidency of its power will help to solve the problems we have as a nation of ethnicity? Well, let me just elaborate this. Why we are stripping the president of powers is not just addressing the question of ethnicity as I've thought, is because historically the president has, the presidents have played a very panaceous role, you know, in what we call is on to a musculation, is a patient of power, completely musculating other institutions of governance. I think that is a principal reason why people should seek to spread this power. The other issue is, of course, now they're spreading power to different offices, right? I don't think quite sincerely stripping the president of powers is going to resolve the problem. There are those who argue that the president, why the president was sort of exacerbating ethnic problems in this country is because he was allocating resources particular parts of the country. And I think that was particularly solved by the developed system. So I don't know those, why the president is going to resolve this problem of ethnicity, how the president is going to do it, despite him being ceremonian or not. So I don't think, in other words, I don't think he's going to do it. I think we better depend on other mechanisms, like ensuring greater interaction in this country through growing the economy, ensuring people are moving to different parts of the country, which I think are the core of the ethnic problems that this country faces. All right. Many thanks for coming and sharing your sentiments. We appreciate your presence here. Many thanks for keeping us company. Coming up next is why Mashareke and they have a new DJ. It's called DJ Nautina. So keep it Y254 Steel II. NJW is coming up next. He has been my guest, Loi Fodumahis, the chair of the Global Strategy Group. And my name is Dereva Hillary. See you on Friday. Have a good night.