 be a magnificent story then begin by realizing that you are the author and every day you have the opportunity to write a new page thank you madam city clerk call the 17th regular meeting of the common council to order please call the roll boran burg sirta excuse davis excuse graph hannah kittleson clonus mani myer montemey or ratki ryan susha vander wheel excuse amber hassled 13 present quorum is present at this time I'd ask all of them born to leaders in the pledge of allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you alderman boran approval of the minutes president Burke yes thank you I move for approval motion second to approve the minute is there any discussion there be a non nobles in favor say aye aye any opposed motion carries mayor's appointments attorney mclean thank you your honor just dated today's date honorable members of the council hereby submit the following appointments for your consideration all the person Renee susha and all the person vicki myer to be considered for appointment to the group health insurance committee to fill the unexpired terms of all the person eldenburg and alderman marcana whose terms expire for 30 oh seven these appointments are necessary to have the necessary representation from the salary and grievances committee and the risk management committee signed by the mayor these appointments are going to lie over but before as I do that I want to explain what what happened here is that Alderman president Burke and Alderman Hannah were had been appointed but the requirements for the group health insurance committee calls for a representative from each bargaining unit and a representative of the salary grievances committee and risk management committees the HR department and the finance neither of them were part of that however I recognize that in both of these individuals we had some valuable talent and skill and while we can't accommodate both I would like to accommodate Alderman Hannah here because he has an incredible wealth and in the area of insurance and money handling so what I'll ask is less attorney mclean to draft a resolution to include an alderman at large given us an additional alderman this is an area that requires a lot of attention now because of the increasing rates in health care and it's imperative that we have some really really good alderman there and I think Alderman Hannah would be a great addition to that and that's provided he accepts but that's what I'll come in and do are there any other thank you thank you turn McLean public forum madam city clerk yes we have Jeff Schucho and Jeff can I have your home address please yes ma'am 2303 South 17th Street Sheboygan and you will have five minutes sir thank you very much your honor your honor council members and citizens I would like to share with you an article that I ran across from the Jamesville Gazette published Friday October 6th 2006 Jamesville police chief would consider hiring civilians to take some calls to save money as the city grows the civilians would handle mundane issues such as animal complaints and traffic control now handled by officers chief Neil Mahan said the change would not affect the quality of service received by residents he stated the city would save money because it pays less to the Wisconsin retirement fund for civilians also civilians earn less than officers some positions that were mentioned where record supervisor clerical crime prevention specialist and he stated that in financially strict times when you're looking for cost savings these are some of the positions that can also be done by a civilian he mentioned that he's had experience working with people in some of these positions that are were civilians and they did an excellent job some hope that these additions would free officers to do the type of work that attracted them to policing in the first place he stated he mentioned Jamesville residents have priorities and he's sure some of those priorities are not being addressed simply because officers are tied up with other duties now the reason I'm bringing this up is in regard to animal complaints and before I even read this article I was going to consider proposing to the city that I'd be willing to take care of dog complaints and monitoring dogs in parks and on the beaches for the city along with bird control this would be accomplished in working with our police chief by photographing violators and turning evidence into the police department this would fall under the public domain which actually anyone can do I'd also like to state that using dogs as proposed by actually a friend of mine Dave Colton to the public protection and safety committee is fine for golf courses and small parks but for our problems dogs are not a complete answer at the price that he was charging falls $400 a month for one small park and using tactics that are self-perpetuating I would have to question the economics of making a move like that and we in Sheboygan have a little different situation we're dealing with city parks school athletic fields holding ponds rooftops and miles of beachfront running dogs where we don't want them is going to send the wrong message to the general public which are the tactics that he uses and I have also been informed that the city quite some long time ago had looked into animal control and found other counties in Wisconsin have county-wide specialists this problem was turned over to the county where nothing's been done since the DNR does not have the resources or the manpower nor do they have the cost-effective equipment that I've developed the Great Lakes Coastal Management Grant program does not provide funding until July four months after projects of this nature need to be started to be cost-effective and in working with the USDA I can tell you that that involves the geese coming in to start the nesting season at that time of year March April depending on the weather geese are not the main health threat however gulls are goose droppings for example contain 15,000 particles of E. Coli bacteria per gram in each in their droppings gull droppings on the other hand in comparison contain can contain over 268 million particles per gram and I'd like to also note that there is no cure or treatment for E. Coli bacterial infections which are often fatal and having our having our children engaged in athletic activities which often do occur skin abrasions and that sort of thing unfortunately can lead to can direct contact to the bloodstream with those sort of infections and if I may I just address another note that was brought up at our last council meeting I looked into I looked into what we what we have for our situation down at the lake front and I wanted to provide our fire our fire chief with a little information for him to look into the turning races of their emergency vehicles to address access for emergencies at the south pier and in looking at this which a couple people from WHL looked into also they found out that the Windsor program has never had a ship fire aboard any of their museum ships therefore I did I in looking at this had realized though in going down there and taking some measurements that we really have no access for the rockets for schools program in an emergency where they in engaging in their activities have people out on these docks or out on the pier I should say and that would be a nice addition in looking at this I've determined that we have a workable 78 foot turning radius excuse me Jeff would you like an additional minute if I may thank you we have a 78 foot turning radius to work with here for emergency vehicles we could also by running a 250 foot drive back here we could provide handicap parking for citizens to more easily access to pier in this way we could actually engage in three functions with this one addition we could provide emergency services for tourists visiting the USS Edson we could provide access for the rockets for schools program to conduct their activities on the south pier which by the way I feel is an excellent location and we could also provide handicap parking for everyone in my trade I was schooled to solve problems and not create them and some of these so in regards to some of these issues I would have to save full speed ahead and by the way I'm not reckless in making reckon recommendations like this or I'd be saying all the head flank thank you very much thank you Jeff next on the list is Ross Worthington and Ross can you give me your home address please 408 North Avenue and you will have five minutes sir thank you mr. Mayor counsel I'm here to discuss the proposed dog park on the northeast beach area and I noticed I looked up the agenda on line earlier today and I noticed this this particular agenda is different than the one that I that I saw online because the the one online had actually said that there would be a recommendation for modifying the recommendation from that committee excluding all reference to the northeast dog park area so I'm not sure what happened with that but that's exactly what I'd like to see happen is I don't I don't think that part falls in that park area falls under the recommendations that the dog committee had established it's directly adjacent to a number of homes along that area there's a soccer field there as well where children are playing and I think the biggest concern for us is is safety you know our children play on that beach it's right by our house we'd love to go down there and play and we've already had issues with dogs off their leashes you know jumping on our kids running up and and things like that and we just don't know who these dogs are they're not under control they're not on a leash which you know is is the law in this in this city and and that my concern is that you know if this is going to be allowed and my children can no longer play in this area I mean it's going to be restricted to dogs and the people with their dogs so I don't agree with with that proposal so I think the the dog park study committee had recommended removing this particular park from the recommendation and I would support that that particular recommendation so that's all I have mine thank you and last would be Susan's and as it smiles sneeze I'm sorry and Susan can I get your home address please six three five Mayflower Avenue okay and you will have five minutes thank you I too am unclear as to where the resolution is at this point but I am speaking on behalf of the Northeast Park as well for those of you who don't live in that area the Northeast Park and the beach that it leads to truly is one of Sheboygan's treasures it's a very wonderful location and I'll start with telling you a little about the park pretty much from April through October this park serves as an official practice site for many of the younger soccer teams in town and even in between those scheduled practices you'll quite often see those same children polishing up their skills in that area using the goals that have been provided I'm really not certain if those came from the city or but there are soccer goals that are on that particular park for that purpose and in the summer you'll see parents helping their kids with different forms of baseball or softball because there's also a backstop on the southeast portion of that park and so that's a good place for kids to play my own kids have played kickball there many times because the diamond isn't perfectly marked off but it certainly is in good enough shape that the kids can still play there in the fall you'll see Sunday afternoon impromptu football games going on there by young people and sometimes by the men in the neighborhood who are probably past their prime and perhaps shouldn't be doing that anymore but that's part of the beauty of that park it's all ages that are enjoying it it's from little kids right on up to grandparents that like to take their little kids and grandkids there and the same is true of the beach this jewel is really a source of relaxation and recreation and inspiration to many of us some just like to go down there and relax with a good book in a beach chair just listening to the water lap up on the shore walkers and joggers like to use that stretch from northeast park all the way to Valrath park it's a nice place that you can walk and jog in peace and families enjoy picnic lunches as mr. Worthington indicated they like to go down there with kids and grandkids and just wait in the water and enjoy the beach there and still others of it find it to be just a wonderful place to meditate and recharge spiritually some of you may believe that making this area into dog park wouldn't necessarily prevent all those activities but I think if you try to picture a soccer field where dogs are and imagine kids trying to hone their soccer skills while they're trying to avoid dogs and the piles that the dogs leave behind it's really not a safe or a healthy environment for kids and I know the intent is that that park at least originally it was presented that that would be an on leash park I don't think it's realistic to expect that if the dogs come in cars with their owners that the owners will put a leash on the dog just to take it down to the beach which isn't that far away they're going to think they're here at the dog park and they'll let the dogs I'm seeing it happen already I think with some of the publicity that's been in the papers people think it's already a done deal and I see cars pull up and they the dogs just come out and tear across the park right to the beach so well the park certainly would be affected by having the dogs or the beach area I think would be even worse the walkers and joggers would be chased by the dogs maybe not aggressively but even playfully you don't know if you're a walker or a jogger with that dog is safe or not so it really prevents people who don't know those dogs from even using that area anymore relaxing in a beach chair would certainly be out of the question and the serenity of that that really gorgeous retreat area would be completely shattered so I'm asking you to help us be able to maintain this park and those of us who enjoy using it and there are many of us and unlike many requests that I'm sure you get we're not asking for any funding we're just asking you to allow us to be able to enjoy this as we have in the past thank you thank you I want to thank the public to address the council Alderman Clayunas do you have a comment thank you your honor I think there's a point of order there was another appointment that was supposed to be listed for tonight we thank you for pointing that out that deserves an explanation you do have an appointment to be considered for the board of contractor examiners the reason we're holding off on this is because the individual is yet to make up his mind okay so when we get a full go ahead then we'll bring it back okay my apologies thank you and before we go on to the consent agenda I have an announcement to make as you know Mr. Tom Holton resigned effective December 13th 5 p.m. and at that point we would have no city engineer and no director of public works to to have problems or concerns addressed to so I have been consulting with the director of human resources at Zurich mr. Tom Holton Paulette Andrews and to some extent very little with attorney McLean regarding the salaries and I made a decision to appoint an interim public works director and an interim city engineer in the past Tom Holton occupied both positions and used to be city engineer and public works and it was combined together and Tom Holton took the responsibility of those positions we cannot do that in this instance because of the qualifications that are required so I think that it would work out just fine and I have all full of faith and confidence in these two individuals and I wanted to give you notice of that and introduce these individuals tonight as interim director for six months I have appointed mr. Dave Bebo and sir if you would please rise thank you and as interim city engineer mr. Bill bulky please rise there's two things I should point out qualifications as you know Dave Bebo has worked for the city of Sheboygan for over 17 years has done an incredible job as deputy director it's only right it's only fair to have him serve as interim he can make that determination he may not like the job afterwards be the head honcho maybe he will but it's a great test time test period for him to to get the feel of what the responsibility are like and then we will be talking about that also mr. Bill bulky has worked with the city engineers office for a little over five years he knows what's going on he understands all the projects that are in place and that is very important to the city so I have full faith and confidence in these two individuals and I know they will do a tremendous job for us the other point I wanted to make is that you will probably hear that these two individuals have been will be given and I hope that the Seller and grievance committee approves it a 4% increase the 4% increase in salary is required by our code actually there's a little bit more required for the person who is going to replace an individual you the code calls for 8% in this case neither of them has taken all the responsibilities of time they're taking half of it so in all fairness and after discussions with them we all agreed that it was fair to to abide by the code instead of 8 4% and that's that's what we will be proposing so if you hear anything like that and on your community that's what we did that's what we're hoping to do I should say and that's fair and that's equitable to both and I look forward to working with these two individuals thank you moving along consent agenda president Burke so thank you your honor I've moved to accept and file all our roles except to adopt all our C's and place the general ordinances upon their passage motion second is there any discussion there being none please call the roll born Berg Gough Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan Susha Amber Hassel 13 eyes motion carries communications and petitions 1720 we will be holding for 1755 to be referred 1721 and 1722 report of officers to 1723 will also be held for 1755 1724 will also be held for 1755 and I may add we're doing that because they all pertain to this dog run it's some sort of a communication or reported committee or report of officer that's going to come back towards the end okay 1725 that one we are going to hold for bear with me for 1745 because that is the actual authorizing of the sale and that's communication that should be dealt with there 1726 will be held for 1744 please make a note of that and in 1727 in 1740 1743 will be referred I'm sorry 1727 what is 1743 there 1727 through 43 pardon me through 43 43 will be referred with the exception of one and I will call them present birth yes thank you mayor Perez I'd like to file 1729 this was an issue that came up in public protection and safety and was it the rest are in that time so there would be no need to refer the document the parties are aware of the action second under discussion anymore there being on all those in favor say aye any opposed motion carries 729 is file resolutions introduced three by 1744 by Alderman Meyer authorize an entry into a contract for the Harbor Center of South Pier district soil stock pile removal of removal and disposal and we're taking 1726 along with this Alderman Meyer thank you your honor I would like for suspension asked for suspension of the rules is there a second is there any objection to that there being on please proceed on this also includes 1726 and I would like to put move to accept and file the RO and put the resolution upon its passage which in the second to put 744 upon its passage and file 726 any discussion on that there being on please call the roll Burke Graf Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemayor Racky Ryan Sushia for hassled and born 13 eyes motion carries 1745 by Alderman Meyer by Alderman Montemayor authorizing the sale of lot 29 Northfield Meadows subdivision will also be acting on 1725 a file on the Montemayor thank you your honor I would ask for suspension on 1745 is there a second second any objection to suspend in the rules there being on please proceed thank you I move the RO be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage motion in second any discussion further there being on please call the roll Graf Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemayor Racky Ryan Sushia for hassled born and Berg 13 eyes motion carries 1746 by Alderman Racky Ryan Berg Boren and rehearsal establishing a special committee on policies and ordinances relating to license activity Alderman Racky thank you your honor I would make a motion that the resolution be accepted and adopted motion to put 746 upon its passage yes under discussion under discussion I would like to make an amendment to this resolution on the first page in the last pair of references before February 15 2007 like to amend that February 28 2007 is a motion as a motion sir your second second discussion on that yes sir under discussion we have put together this committee look at how we handle some of the procedures in the law licensing committee we're bringing in license holders from throughout the different industries that we deal with and we've been kind of slow getting this going so we want to just give them a little bit more time to work on this and make sure we come up with some pretty good ideas thank you thank you Alderman Racky any further discussion there be a not only amendment please call a roll you don't need a rule only amendment all is in favor of the amendment please say aye any opposed motion carries now we need a motion to put resolution as amended on this pass as amended second any discussion on that there being none we do need a roll call on this one Hannah Kittleson Clioness Manny Meijer Montemayor Racky Ryan Sushia for Hasselt Bourne Berg and Graf 13 ayes motion carries to be referred 1747 through 1749 report of committee 6 1750 that is going to be held again for 1755 report of committee 7 1751 by law and licensing rec submitting the facts and findings of the quasi-judicial hearing held regarding contractors license number 1334 and recommended revoking the license Alderman Ratke thank you your Honor I would make a motion to accept and adopt the report of committee motion and second under discussion under discussion Scott Martell here this evening not here this evening your Honor thank you Alderman Ratke any further discussion there is none please call a roll Kittleson Clioness Manny Meijer Montemayor Racky Ryan Sushia for Hasselt Bourne Berg Graf and Hannah 13 ayes motion carries 1752 by law and licensing submitting the facts and findings of the quasi-judicial hearing held regarding beverage operators license number 70 96 and recommended suspending the license for six months Alderman Ratke thank you your Honor make a motion that the report of committee be accepted and adopted motion second under discussion discussion is Nicole Huffman here this evening she's not here this evening your Honor thank you any further discussion there being on please call roll Clioness Manny Meijer Montemayor Racky Ryan Sushia for Hasselt Bourne Berg Graf Hannah and Kittleson 13 ayes motion carries excuse me what is it what is this 1753 will be held for s2-1 on page 9 that deals with that particular agreement 1754 by law and licensing recommended denying beverage operators license number 7306 based on her in an in eligibility to hold the license Alderman Ratke thank you your Honor I would make a motion at the report of committee be accepted and adopted motion and second under discussion discussions Christy Walski here this evening she's not here this evening your Honor thank you Alderman Ratke any further discussion there being none please call the roll Manny Meijer Montemayor Racky Ryan Sushia for Hasselt Bourne Berg Graf Hannah Kittleson and Clioness 13 ayes motion carries report of committees 8 1755 by public works recommended adopting the recommendations outlined in the Board of Parks and Forestry dog study sub committees final recommendation making the city parks system pet friendly with the additional recommendations to add snow fencing for the off leash dog area signage for 125 dollar fine for those not cleaning up their waste as well as indicating the park itself as an on leash area will supply waste receptacles and waste bags this is the one where we hail all those communications Alderman Meijer thank you your Honor I would like to go back to items number 17 20 17 23 17 24 and 17 50 and I'd like a motion to accept and place on file there second okay under discussion any under discussion well we're we're to the point now where we've dealt with all these issues and it's we're just going to accept and file them okay very good thank you sorry there's somebody Alderman Sushia thank you your Honor when you just say we're going to accept and file for the public's sake could somebody just give us a synopsis of exactly what we're doing here thank you the accept and file means that the committees have already at the respective committees have looked at that at the particular issues discussed it made the recommendations if there were recommending recommendations to be made these particular items being items to to accept and file or whatever concerns or recommendations are in there will be incorporated into the main report of committee that's coming up for passage tonight okay anything else you would like for me to clarify it's very typical for communications and and documents like these to be accepted and placed on file so that other matters can be dealt with in another resolution all of them born thank you your Honor are we going to be with this are we going to be taking care of the concern of the people that spoke of the public hearing tonight then so this this this area that they're talking about then it's going to be out of bounds for unleashed dogs is that my understanding that is the understanding that's that an alderman may probably make that motion or amend all right thank you thank you when born anything else we're making there's a motion to accept and file all those documents all those in favor say aye any opposed motion carries 1755 over my thank you your honor now moving on to 1755 I would make a motion that the resolution be put upon its passage to accept an adopt report committee put the resolution upon its passage and there's a second under discussion under discussion I would like to also amend that to the original final recommendations by deleting all references to the northeast park and northeast park beach area and I would make a motion to amend that motion and second to amend under discussion on the amendment all and Ryan thank you your honor I think this is a wise move the people in this area have spoken that they absolutely do not appreciate dogs in their backyards and I think we need to listen to them as a council sir and therefore I do highly recommend that we omit the the northern park area from this resolution thank you I do I do support that amendment that is a great gesture of being responsive to the citizens of Sheboye any other discussion all of them Hannah thank you mayor I too support the amendment and I wanted to publicly thank the the members of the dog study subcommittee they put in like most of our committees they put in endless hours and it's always difficult to make everybody happy and I open governments not necessarily pretty but it works and this is just a case in point of it working and listening to citizens good point all the man have thank you all the man many thank you runner my only concern ongoing is enforcement and I want us to keep that in mind and see if we might be doing something as we move ahead I'm appreciating the work that's been done but that's an issue that's applicable to the whole city and there's no clear enforcement except self enforcement at this point that may need to change the future and we will be looking at that thank you element Maddie all of them in play units thank you your honor I'm always a stickler for details who's going to pay for the bags bags are mentioned here you know who will is at a park service then a park will put in that budget to have these bags applied on a regular basis and that will be an issue for finance to discuss or the public works yes good question anything else yes attorney McLean thank you your honor so one I indicated I think I indicated this when this was before the council previously before it got referred back to the committee that a lot of these park regulations are by ordinance as far as dogs and parks and to effectuate these recommendations it's going to require ordinance changes that's true with the fines and so forth also so I would view this as whatever action is taken assuming something has passed that that would be an indication to our office to draft the necessary ordinances and those that have to then be coming back to council for implementation and I would concur with that thank you see clear Alderman Meyer can we incorporate into the motion the ending part of here the public works said to add the snow fencing can that be official part of the motion also thank you and who's second concur thank you okay on the amendment only we will call it on the amendment all was in favor oh thank you your honor where would the snow fencing be because it's not going to be at Northeast Park any longer well in the RC it said the final recommendations they want the additional to add snow fencing for off-leash areas in general signage for 125 fine thank you I just want that as part of the motion if that's all right okay on the amendment all those in favor say aye any opposed motion carries and now Alderman Meyer a motion to put the result put a separate adopted reporter committee and put the resolution upon upon his passage amended so moved motion and second any discussion we will call a roll Meyer Montemay or Racky Ryan Sushia for Hasselt Warren Berg graph Hannah Kittlesen clay unis and Manny 12 eyes one no motion carries 1756 by finance recommended authorizing disbursement of the city of Sheboygan's 2006 CDBG funds for the 24th entitlement period to various recipients to promote economic development create jobs aid minority groups develop and upgrade housing and assist low and moderate income people all of them graph thank you and I would move that the RC be accepted and adopted and that the resolution be put upon its passage motion and second under discussion Alderman Manny thank you rather like to address our attention to the 140,000 grant home ink and point out that 100,000 of the 140 is in fact a loan it's not an outright grant the terms of that loan are open-ended with zero percent interest the loan would not be necessarily repaid until the building is sold I don't know that that actually then would serve the purpose of the fund the loan fund is meant to be circulating to help those agencies to take care of capital needs in an ongoing way and I don't think that that would well serve the city for that money to be tied up for potentially 30 plus years so I move to change the terms of the contract for that loan as follows from a $100,000 loan at zero percent with no timeline of repayment to the same amount $100,000 at a zero percent interest rate at a five-year term of repayment and by way of information in their 2005 budget statements income statement with federal government the 990 form that does publicly state that they had a $30,000 net revenue increase over expenses income over expenses for the year so I deem that probable that they can so repay the loan in the five-year term thank you thank you Alderman Manny is there a second second under discussion anymore Alderman Boren thank you your honor I was wondering if maybe Paul edit Paul at Enders could it could address this as far as the legalese of us being able or the city attorney of us being able to change these terms from a from an indefinite repayment period to a definite repayment period thank you all right please step up Alderman Hanne I'll be with no thank you Mayor and Common Council you can change the terms but just for everyone's knowledge and background the city's done this in the past where they've loaned dollars to you know not for profits that are zero percent interest and are deferred until the building is sold some examples are Spokane County interfaith safe harbor the Ann Marie home and that one was actually sold and then paid back so this one what's a little bit different about this one is that there's a grant and a loan we've typically done the loans in the past and like I said I I'm quite sure that you can change the terms if you wish but really isn't anything different than what we have done in the past any other questions Alderman Hanne for thank you can I ask a question thank you very much in the fund that could possibly be loaned out into the community is there a current balance is what's available in funds in that just I was asked that question tonight and I am just off the top of my head I'm guessing at about $800,000 and that's used for housing rehabilitation how many capital requested we have this year zero well I again off the top of my head I don't think that we had any other ones thank you hold on we got present birth to yes thank you mr. mayor the whole make that is the organization is mr. Henry Capitilo the chief executive officer of that that organization or the grant applicant and I guess the question I have has he been part of the loop in terms of discussing the changes not that I'm aware of when someone else has talked to him I guess this this causes me some concern is to move this ahead on council floor without asking the individual to see if this would have any impact on his operation I guess the question I would have regarding the urgency of this matter is it in come upon us that we act on this this evening there's this document has some urgency I would think that you could you might want to pass the other ones and if you have a question with that one hold that what happens is all of these agencies are waiting for funds and they've been waiting for months and so we have been getting calls when are the contracts going to be approved so that we can disperse funding then given that on the amendment I would like to hold the line item that specifically deals with home incorporated if that would be a legal motion well I guess I would suggest you might want to divide the question that portion of it that's tent is to act separately on that thank you given that advice I would like to divide the question excluding home incorporated from the larger body except there's an amendment we will have to act on home first I believe there's an amendment amendment is to change the terms and conditions of a particular recipient you would like to hold that later don't confuse us anymore over many thank you your honor if it would help the process I would rescind my motion and then it could be moved to be held the dividing the question and we can look at that in a broader basis way would that be helpful better yet yes sir I so rescind my motion thank you all in present burden and I will move for the division of the question to hold the line item that deals with home incorporated and then put the rest of the document on this passage basically what dividing the question means is you're going to vote on one issue and some issues and on the other one this is how the present Burke has explained under discussion dividing the question are we done with Paul that's here the alderman graph you're back to Paulette I just wanted to say you know finance committee looked at all these reviewed all of these along with Paulette and her staff and we spent I would say a good three four weeks going through this interviewing all these perspective parties and and talking with them all I think it's only right that Alderman Berg's motion be made but as Paulette has pointed out in the past we've done this same thing and I don't remember the exact conversation that we had with homing but I know we all feel comfortable with with granting them this loan request just to say that turn them clean and then we'll go to Alderman thank you my only concern is apparently there's two portions to the home Inc provision part is a forty thousand dollar grant apparently and then there's a hundred thousand dollar loan and you know I don't know what their situation is as far as the forty thousand dollar grant if they need that money I assume like most nonprofits they needed it two months ago so I'd be a little concerned about holding up on that aspect of it perhaps you just hold up on the loan amount but I don't want confuse things more than that that's pretty confused we're back president Berg would you like to rephrase yes if I could thank you mr. mayor I would like to rephrase the motion to put the resolution upon this passage with the exception of one hundred thousand dollar loan that is to be made to home incorporated is there a second to that under discussion all that Alderman have thank you it's my understanding I'm reviewing the home Inc file and the request that the entire hundred and forty thousand was going to be used towards a specific capital project that forty thousand isn't going to be used for operating needs so it didn't really need to be changed the way you initially had it would work just fine but but in this case I think it's appropriate in this way because it the issue is not it's so long and I think that the public needs to be made aware that Pete Fullerton and Paulette have a have a rigorous procedure and before any of the funds are dispersed all of the files of those organizations that are gonna receive fund she double checks to make sure that all the requirements all the audited statements all that's in place so they take their fiduciary responsibility very seriously thank you Alderman Ryan thank you your honor I'm actually about three people behind now in this discussion because I was going to bring up what what attorney McLean had brought up but as Alderman Graf had said this was reviewed vigorously by by finance I believe and granting these block grants and it was under discussion for several weeks and everybody seemed comfortable with this at the at the time that this you know everybody was comfortable with the hundred thousand dollar loan to home Inc under these terms so I know at this point I think it that should be taken into consideration upon reviewing changing of those terms I do agree that at this point that we should take this out as a line item to be discussed separately but I think that should definitely be kept in mind that over several weeks when this was discussed in committee everybody was comfortable with this at that point thank you all of us who show thank you your honor I have a question for Paulette being that the total hundred and forty thousand dollars is set aside for one specific project if this committee if the common council decides to change the terms down to five years for the hundred thousand dollars and we give forty thousand in grant what would happen if there was a default on the payment or if they decide they can't pay back in five years and if we approve the forty thousand dollars for this project then what happens if I can get this if I understand what your question is it's a total of about a one hundred and eighty thousand dollar project they're asking for one forty from the city one hundred is a loan forty is a grant my guess is if we you know grant them the money and the loan doesn't go through we would reimburse based on actual costs they wouldn't be able to undertake the project they do you know as all the person Hannah had mentioned they meet all the qualifications as far as their low income population it's an elevator for handicap accessibility and that Pete and I had mentioned at the meeting that that one hundred thousand dollars typically isn't handled through this process it goes through the housing rehab committee it's a loan and it's revolving loan funds the forty is the actual the new money the entitlement and that's what makes this one a little bit different and we had initially asked that it kind of be pulled out of this process and we handle it differently but you know a determination was made to actually put it into this language thank you bullet on the motion we have a motion out there to divide the question the whole line item regarding home in one hundred thousand dollar part of the whole piece so the motion to divide the question we need a majority to divide it and please call the roll Montemay or Radke Ryan Susha for Hasselt Warren Berg Graff Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny and Meyer 12 eyes one abstention motion passes now we need to work on the main motion present Bert yes I asked that the motion be placed response passage second any more discussion being done please call the roll oh my god which portion are we voting on we just voted to divide the question we didn't vote on it yet right right okay now we're voting on the motion to approve where are we everything except accept that okay okay thank you understand okay please call this is on 1756 so everything except the one line item is what you're voting on right now Racky Ryan Susha for Hasselt Warren Berg Graff Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer and Montemay or 12 eyes one abstention motion carries now we need to send the other one somewhere what was your pleasure over in burden with this one-line item refer back to the committee to the finance committee if we could perhaps refer that back to finance committee and ask if mr. Capitola could meet with them to discuss any changes in the terms and any recommendations that would be coming forward second to that second under discussion on the referral to the finance committee on that particular loan only all the Susha thank you honor I'm going to choose to abstain from this discussion and I know that all the person Clowness has been abstaining on this all along and I'm I'm just not sure if anyone else on the committee is going to be abstaining but we might not have a quorum so perhaps it should go somewhere else you that's two of you we would have all of them in graph all of them born and all of them Hannah that would be three yet we have all of them Hannah next sir thank you I'm just can I address a question to attorney McLean please thank you I'm I'm concerned that if we if we move to shorten the term and there is a situation where there's a default when the balloon payment is due in five years what recourse do we have against home Inc. and the 60 residents I'm not familiar with the loan document at all Alderman Hannah so I don't know what the recourse is to be honest not familiar with any of this I haven't attended any of the finance committee meetings so I honestly don't know at this point it may be but let it go to finance let them discuss it if you have any questions before you may want to address those questions and writing either to me or attorney McLean and Paulette Anders for them and copy me and then we can take it from there we have all the graph thank you your honor I was just rather than sending it to financing this is a decision that that is started basically in the Department of City Development and so forth between Ms. Enders and Mr. Fullerton that maybe they would call Mr. Capitulo and and discuss these these new arrangements and so forth with them and and find out what he feels about this and is he does he really want this loan under these conditions or you know I think they that they should check with him before the brought back to finance so that we know if if we really have to do something or not if he withdraws from from getting this loan I don't see we have an issue and I think they would be appropriate if it gets referred to finance for you as chair to make that recommendation to Paulette Anders to do that before it even gets to you which I think they could do to be okay thank you all thank you your honor I assume that the reason we want to send it back to finance or to some committee but probably finance is so that now that Alderman Manny has expressed his concerns about things they can find out the information for Mr. Capitulo or from Home Inc. and it's simply information gathering because I would imagine it'll come back here for us to decide yay or nay thank you all member Hussle thank you Mr. Chair I'd also I guess I think it's a good idea to send it to the finance committee but I'd like to ask that the appropriate city official or Paulette Anders attain the audited income statement which is still missing a part of the application prior to that meeting I think that would be beneficial to that meeting and you can make that request to Paulette anytime thank you Alderman Ryan thank you your honor I do have some concern here just the way this has come up in this being Mr. Capitulo who has been in front of this council in some controversial manner I just think that the the council and the committee should take caution on appearances on this that you know if they were comfortable with this through several weeks of debate in the committee that we we do keep that in mind in in in dealing with this in the future thank you okay on the referral to finance right yep okay please call the roll Ryan Sushia for Hasselt Warren Berg graph Hannah Kittleson Clioness Manny Meyer Montemay or and Racky nine eyes for abstentions motion carries ordinances introduced 10 1757 through 1758 lies over 1759 through 1760 to be referred matters laid over 11 1646 resolution number 170 50607 Bellum and Hannah Clioness Sushia and born authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 06 budget Alderman Hannah thank you mayor I would move that the 1759 let's see that would be resolution be put upon his passage is our second motion the second to put 1646 upon his passes under discussion there being none please call roll Sushia for Hasselt Warren Berg graph Hannah Kittleson Clioness Manny Meyer Montemay or Racky and Ryan 13 eyes motion carries set 1655 1656 1652 and 1653 you could take all at once president Burke yes thank you your honor I would move that the ordinances be placed upon their passage motion and second to put all four upon their passage any discussion there being none please all in the cleanest I'm sorry your honor do we have the right numbering on these it's actually 1657 it's the agenda number is 55 5657 58 the ordinance numbers are 50 51 52 and 53 oh okay alright okay okay okay yes okay thank you anything else please call roll for Hasselt Warren Berg graph Hannah Kittleson Clioness Manny Meyer Montemay or Racky Ryan and Sushia 13 eyes motion carries S2-1 resolution number 180607 by Alderman Hannah authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute the development agreement with mutual realty of Wisconsin LLC regarding the capsule product property project Alderman Hannah thank you I move that resolution 180607 be put upon his passage and and file 1753 and file 1753 motion and second under discussion there being none please call please call roll Warren Berg graph Hannah Kittleson Clioness Manny Meyer Montemay or Racky Ryan Sushia and for Hasselt 13 eyes motion carries other matters authorized by law 1761 in RC by the special committee on risk management recommended filing documents submitting a claim from Jerome Miller for alleged damages to his vehicle when he was parked in a city truck hit his vehicle and paying the claim in the amount of three thousand six hundred and twenty five dollars all in rough thank you honor that along with 1762 which is an RC by the special committee on risk management recommending filing documents submitting a claim from Angela Ramos for alleged damages to her vehicle when paint cans in the garbage truck splattered paint on her vehicle and denying that claim and directing the city attorney to send a notice of disallowance I would move that both of the RCs be accepted and adopted motion the second to accept both under discussion there being none please call roll Burke graph Hannah Kittleson Clioness Manny Meyer Montemay or Racky Ryan Sushia for Hasselt and born thirteen eyes motion carries 1763 a resolution by Alderman Ryan approving the terms and conditions of the ground lease and contract for lease of land between the redevelopment authority and new horizons investments Inc Alderman Ryan thank you your honor I move to suspend the rules motion and second to the span any any objection to suspension there being none please prove excuse me your honor please I would just indicate that I don't think that's necessary Alderman Ryan talked with the developer's attorney you can't sign any documents till the 20th anyway so they don't have a problem with just having it lay over in its natural course an act I withdraw then your honor please thank you Alderman Ryan 16 1763 lies over 1764 1765 lies over 1766 will be referred to finance please refer to your page 10 amended 1767 will go to committee of the whole 1768 will go to committee special committee on risk management 1769 will go to public protection and safety 1770 a resolution by Alderman Ryan directing a public hearing regarding a change in the text of the zoning ordinance to repeal and recreate sections of the historic preservation regulations relating to certificates of appropriateness and recognition of historic structures sites and districts Alderman Ryan thank you your honor I move that the resolution be put upon its passage motion and second to put 1770 upon its passage under discussion this was drafted by attorney McLean your honor regarding the historic preservation committee and we need to hold a public hearing in order to change the zoning ordinance thank you Alderman Ryan Alderman Ratke thank you your honor I'd like to make a friendly amendment to this public hearing if I could please it says that notice is hereby given that a public hearing will be held at 7 o'clock p.m. January 2nd 2007 the Common Council chambers of the City Hall unfortunately the Common Council is meeting that same evening because that's the first Tuesday after Monday January the first so we will be in session at the same time so I don't know what they'd like to do with it and January 9th is what I was told because there was a conflict in this room with the law and licensing committee at the same time so I'm assuming we would amend this January the 9th okay thank you Alderman Ratke Madam City Clerk this will be held at the council meeting that's what we do we hold this public hearing right at the council meeting so that's I just have to get published and everything it's fine okay as you will recall sometimes we have public hearings listed here that's how it will show up on your agenda thank you okay we have a motion and a second to put 1770 upon its passage all those in favor say aye any opposed motion carries 1771 will be referred to city plan commission are there matters attorney McLean 1772 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting communication from Randy Ingalls chairman of ice bowling at Blue Lion Superagon requesting permission to close Wildwood Avenue from New Jersey Avenue to the Blue Lion Ice Center and Juleson Court from South 22nd Street to Wildwood for the weekend of ice bowling March 16th and 17 2007 that will be referred a public protection and safety 1773 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2007 and June 30 2008 that will be referred a law and licensing committee 1774 is a communication from Amy Detloff 1917 North 24th Street asking if the parking traffic situation at Cooper School is being looked at or considered for improvements as it's a matter of the children's safety that will be referred to 1774 17 public protection safety okay 1775 is a preliminary resolution declaring intent to exercise the police power to levy special assessments for resurfacing various streets that will be referred a public works 1776 is a resolution to authorize the transfer of appropriations in the 2006 budget that will go to finance second second all those in favor say hi we stand adjourned