 Cause I can't, I can't fix any, we were talking about this with my mom earlier and she was like, oh, you know, my brother-in-law, he can fix cars and do things. And I was like, yeah, I can fix computers. That's my specialty that I do. And I wonder which one is better, more useful. I think computers are more useful, well, maybe for me because I use them a lot. Yeah, sure. My dad used to own an apartment building and we were there every weekend fixing something. So because of that, I've learned how to install a toilet. I can do minor plumbing that doesn't involve soldering or breaking off a wall, install a water heater. You know, I can do all that stuff. I put drywall up. It's just, but the thing is I have no desire to do it because I know what a pain in the ass it is. Of course. Especially the toilet because it's gross. You gotta get a new ring and then the studs are broken on the bottom. Ah, it's just nasty. All right, enough toilet humor. All right. Wasn't humorous. No, it wasn't. And basically what you're saying is enough toilet. Yeah, enough toilet in, in total. Total. Excellent toilet brand. Oh, okay. All right. Uh, Mr. Patrick Beja. Are you ready? Yes. I was born ready. There we go. Daily Tech News Show is powered by its audience, not outside organizations. To find out more, head to DailyTechNewsShow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, November 22nd, 2016. Time, time. Mayor Patrick Beja alongside host of Pixels, the Philius Club, the Rendezvous Tech. And more. How are you doing, Patrick? Um, so I'm in Paris currently. So it's a little bit earlier for me than it usually is for the show. So I'm more awake, supposedly, uh, but theoretically, but I, I'm a little bit sniffly. So I worry that my illness that had gone away has come back to make me less awake. So it's all very confusing. I don't know. Allergic to France? No, that cannot be. Soccer blue. No. I say, uh, Patrick and I are going to talk about the International Telecommunications Union's measuring the information society report for 2016, which was introduced this week. Uh, and, and the top line is you'll, you'll see people saying that we have almost half of the world online. Uh, so we're going to talk about which parts of the world, how fast, what parts are doing well, what parts aren't, well, and what it means for us. What, what all of that means? It's an interesting benchmark that we're going to be hitting, uh, in this coming year, Motorola announced Android 7.0 Nougat coming to Moto Z and Moto Z force. That means they'll be the first non-Google made phones to be compatible with Google's Daydream VR headset. Xiaomi says it's going to announce an all new product at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas on January 5th. Now here are some more top stories. The US National Transportation and Safety Board, not and not and Tom said and there's no ants not written there. I don't know why I said that the US National Transportation Safety Board is investigating an accident involving one of Facebook's Ocula unmanned aerial vehicles. Those are the ones that are delivering internet or meant to deliver internet from the sky to remote areas. The UAV suffered a structural failure during landing after its first test flight back in June, uh, 743 AM on June 28th near Yuma. Facebook mentioned the failure in a July 21st post, but the NTSB investigation was unknown until now. Uh, and the NTSB isn't saying much. They haven't released any preliminary details or anything. Drones are failing. It is the end, right? Is that the appropriate? That's the, I think that's the response everyone's looking for who writes this story up. I don't think it means anything except, oh, you had a structural failure. Good. Now you know how to fix that structural failure. And it was, it was not like this thing fell out of the sky. It was during landing, uh, possibly it was a strut or, or some kind of, uh, of landing device that, that failed or broke. Uh, but you, that's why you do test flights before you start launching things right during a test flight and they're testing things and they're seeing what worked and what didn't. That's like, uh, you're telling the third grade class, you know, you, we had a test and you all didn't get perfect scores. You're done. You're out of here. Get out of the school. Talking about that, uh, US president elect Donald Trump named two advisors to his federal communications commission, uh, landing team on Monday. Jeffrey Eisenach is, uh, the American enterprise Institute, uh, of the American Enterprise Institute has worked as a consultant in the telecom industry, worked at the federal trade commission during the Reagan administration and written against classifying the internet as a public utility university of Florida, uh, professor Mark Jameson has worked for Sprint and has criticized the leadership of current, of current FCC chairman, Tom Wheeler. The two will recommend who the president should appoint to the FCC. Yeah. So there's a little bit of confusion about this. These two gentlemen are not going to be on the FCC. They're not going to replace Tom Wheeler. They're going to advise, uh, and make recommendations about who should replace Tom Wheeler and, and who should be on the federal communications commission, although Jameson himself has argued that maybe we don't need the federal communications commission in the United States. It may be past its prime. Uh, they're both former lobbyists for the telecom industry. So they're certainly going to lean towards the interests of the telecommunications company. A lot of people feel because of their opposition to net neutrality that they might recommend people who would want to repeal net neutrality. I think that was going to happen anyway in any Republican administration. Fact is it's going to be harder for them to do that because of notices for proposed rulemaking and that sort of thing. But an FCC appointed by this new administration would likely be more compliant with Congress and legislation. Uh, there's, there's been a renewed call for legislation to overturn the open internet guidelines that Wheeler imposed. Um, and let's, you know, Wheeler was raising a lot of red flags for friends of a more open internet, um, when he was first appointed. So we never know, but certainly, uh, looking at it from here, a lot of the issues that, uh, the US has with its internet infrastructure, which is often frustrating and, uh, I would say below par of what we have in other Western countries, that's that might be a hazy estimation, but it's certainly one that I've known, you know, made over the past few years. We've discussed all of this, uh, they seem to be against what would help better the infrastructure in my view. So this is definitely a concern for me as I look at the US, uh, and the way it handles its, its internet services offering. Yeah, there are a lot of different perspectives on this. Uh, we, we went through the notice for proposed rulemaking. We went through the debates, we went through the implementations and there, uh, have been court cases and continue to be court cases. It feels a little bit like repeating history to start this whole debate all over again. Uh, one interesting thing, uh, we got from a friend of the show who works in the industry was listening to Chris Mitchell's talk about municipal networks last week, uh, wrote, I still don't think people understand the difference between a backbone provider and what you call an ISP, which is really just a cable provider, providing local tales to the end customer. If we separate out the access network, which is the end fiber to the customer from the internet service, which is what, uh, I've asked them to provide, we could provide more competition. So he's arguing like, Hey, maybe, maybe we don't, don't go back on, on, on the internet as a public utility. Maybe we describe the difference between a backbone and an ISP. Uh, and, and this person writes, no one argues with municipality building water pipes and roads and then having people use those. In this case, nobody should argue with the municipality running fiber. No, nobody should. And yet, I mean, it's the, the, let's not spend too much time on this and rehash what we've said in the past, but it is incredibly painfully obvious to anyone looking at this from the outside, what the issue is lack of competition. And anytime you try to bring in competition via, uh, some sort of regulation, because it's not happening on its own, this is just a, you know, realizing the situation in which it is. Anytime you try to bring in competition, you have, uh, people saying that it shouldn't happen for X or Y reason. And as subjective as I'm trying to be, this is not the way forward. Yeah. And, and, and again, these are people who have opposed Wheeler's open internet guidelines being appointed to create a landing team for an agency that will then after January 20th have new people appointed. Uh, so, so we're still far off from refighting this, but it looks like it might come up again. Yeah. And again, to be honest, Wheeler, we thought he was going to do the, uh, ISPs and the telecom industry's bidding and he hasn't. So we never know. Stanford researchers, uh, studied how 7,804 students evaluated information online. 82% of middle school age children did not see a valid reason to mistrust a post by a bank executive that argued that young adults needed more financial planning help. It was labeled as sponsored content. Uh, when asked which of the two stories they would choose to learn facts about year round schooling, 60% chose either the opinion piece or could not explain why they chose the news story. And four of 10 high school age students believed a picture of a deformed flower and a headline about toxicity in Fukushima, uh, was enough to make a decision that, yes, it's toxic around Fukushima without knowing the source or location for the photo. Uh, so the, the Stanford researchers who did the study say this is, this is worse than we expected as far as the critical abilities of students to be able to determine the veracity of the stories they're reading online. So a couple of things here. First of all, the study itself hasn't been released yet. I believe this is just a few numbers they, uh, provided to, um, to the public and not the full study. So maybe we are guilty of this ourselves. We're just looking at a few inflammatory numbers and thinking about the worst numbers that they have put out. You're absolutely right. Yeah. Um, however, uh, yeah, another part I would be interested in knowing how adults, uh, have would fare in those studies as well because we're looking at this and, and the, the, the reaction would be naturally, oh my God, children don't know how truth works. And the world is going to hell in a hand basket, which it might for other reasons, but this, you know, uh, but okay, those concerns aside, there is certainly a valid concern in, uh, the way we process information now. And I'm not so sure that it's about kids not understanding what this is about, but what we've discussed a few times, the abundance of information might require us as a society and, uh, uh, people to process this differently than, process it sorry, differently than we had in the past when we only had a few, uh, new sources. So it's definitely an interesting thing to study and we should study it and try to understand it better. Yeah. And, and if you want to look at this as a first step towards understanding how people consume news, then I think it's very valuable. Uh, what, once the full study is out, I don't think it's fair to look at this and say students are getting dumber. They're not, uh, is not surprising that you have students, uh, maybe blurring some lines because they're not as literate as adults. Also very good point about, and would the adults really be that much better at, at spotting this? Also, I've had plenty of people tell me that they're fine with sponsored content as long as you disclose that it's sponsored and they find it valuable. That may be what's going on. These actually may be more literate students by saying, well, no, we know it was sponsored and it was a Bank of America executive writing this, but we just thought he made really good points and, and it was disclosed where he was from. Uh, so, so we just, you know, we thought that was, uh, that was a better post than the news story, which was, you know, being too objective. There, there all doesn't seem like that would be the case, but well, it could be though. Uh, so there's, you, you have to do more studying, uh, first of all, before you decide what the actual problem is. And also really, uh, what we should be after is not do students do this, but what are the procedures to help people to make better decisions? Is this causing them to make a bad decision? Did they read this, uh, sponsored content and say, I don't mistrust it because I am up to speed on financial planning and these, these, these are, these are perfectly reasonable recommendations, but I still wouldn't go and immediately buy a Bank of America product because of it. Then I would think that would be a reasonable response. Yeah. I'm sure the, the middle school children were very aware of the financial planning situation that applied to them. There's some pretty smart middle school children out there. That's all. Uh, but yeah, to me, it's, you want to study not just this, this is the first step, but then study the effects like, okay, what, what effect does that have on the kids? Yeah. And also, you know, we don't know how trustful the children were 10 or 20 years ago, or at least we haven't had it in the context. It doesn't make a difference. Exactly. Yeah. Uh, Google has changed its popular times feature from telling you how busy a restaurant or bar usually is to estimating how long the line is at the moment. It uses anonymized location data to make its estimates. I still don't trust the sort of thing. And I know, uh, the author of the TechCrunch article here said that, uh, even just the estimates based on past behavior were usually very helpful. Uh, this is, uh, Frederic Lardinois who, uh, who wrote this, but. I still, when, I guess it's better than not knowing, but I would hate to make a decision of like, man, Blackberry is usually really crowded this time of day. I don't think I'm going to go there. And then I look at this popular time feature on Google search, I search Blackberry and it says, Hey, the wait's only two minutes. And then I show up there and either because it didn't have the right people tracked, or there was a time lag involved. I get there and the wait's a half hour to an hour. And I get really upset. So what you won't have my avocado toast. But what you're saying is maybe you would have gone there without having yes, I just wouldn't have gone there at all because you know what, I don't feel like waiting. It's usually a wait there. I'll go to Ronnie's diner, get the chilaquiles because I know it's never a big wait there and they're delicious. But what if at one point you think, well, maybe I should go there because usually at this time it's not very busy, but then you look at the estimate and it says you have 15 hours. Yeah. We'll see that the opposite thing plays in, right? Where it's like, then your friend calls like, man, I showed up. There was nobody here at all. I think that's what's likely to happen because the error seems to be we don't have the right people tracked versus and it's got the usual times, which I think are actually fairly accurate. Well, so basically what it boils down to is hoping that Google isn't wrong as with most things in life. Yeah. I mean, sure, popular times. It's a useful piece of information. Here's another. This is the most this is the most neutral way you could have put it. Ever. That's what I do. Walmart is experimenting with using the blockchain, you know, the distributed ledger that is most popular as being used in Bitcoin. But it's a public ledger that's hard to fake that everybody can validate. They're going to use it to identify sources of unsafe food. I find this fascinating because we hear about it being used in financial tech outside of Bitcoin, right? Because that makes sense. We know it can be used for financial transactions because of Bitcoin. So, hey, maybe we could use it for other kinds of financial transactions. The idea that Walmart is experimenting with is that the transfer of food items everywhere in a supply chain. So from the grower to the picker to the trucker to the warehouse to the store shelf would create a digital receipt with no way because of the blockchain for the suppliers to alter that info. The test is being run on pork from China and an unidentified packaged produce item in the US. So maybe like, you know, the carton of broccoli or something like that. We don't know. The hope is to identify unsafe products faster and with more accuracy, which would reduce cost. Right now, if there's a problem discovered like, oh, spinach has some E. coli and it's making people sick. They bought it at Walmart. Walmart will have to take all the spinach off their off their shelves at all their stores because they don't know exactly where it came from. This would allow them to say, oh, it's just spinach from this grower. So you just pull these products off. If the tests are successful, Walmart plans to expand them to multiple food items in both countries. Yeah, really interesting and creative way of using blockchain. And I suspect it's the first of, well, not the first, but it's one of many creative ways of using it to come. Yeah, I didn't even ever think I mean, the whole idea of the food supply chain being untrustworthy just never occurred to me. And I don't know enough about it to really make a good analysis. But I can imagine where a warehouse would not necessarily even maliciously fudge results, but just say like, oh, you know, I just put it all down there. Whereas the blockchain means it's easier. You don't have to spend as much time recording it, but that keeps it all visible and easy to access in a database. Yeah, you should have realized something was, you know, common between them because they both have chain in the in the name. So just saying. I should have. Absolutely. ZD net's Mary Jo Foley says her sources say says her sources say Microsoft is working on an x86 emulator for ARM processors running Windows. It's expected to arrive on the Redstone 3 version of Windows in full 2017. This would allow mobile device devices in continuum mode to run desktop Windows apps, not just universal Windows platform apps. Last night, Twitter user walking cat found a reference to the emulation called C H P. Yeah, and the guess is that it means some kind of hybrid performance, some kind of hybrid emulator. If all of that sounded like gobbledygook to you, here's the upshot. This would mean that any Windows desktop app could run on your phone while your phone is hooked up to a keyboard and a monitor, as long as your phone would had a powerful enough processor to run it because it would emulate it on the processor that's in your phone. So the processor would have to be powerful enough to be able to run the emulator and then the emulator would run the software. But people have been running Windows emulators on all kinds of things for a long time and ARM processors are getting more and more powerful. This could be huge for a rumored surface phone. There's been rumors about an emulator called Cobalt that Mary Jo Foley has also reported on. And essentially, if if that's all even too complicated for you, here's what it could mean. I could buy a Windows phone and all my Windows apps from my desktop could be usable on, including all the powerful games. No, I'm kidding. Probably not those emulation. When I say all the apps, I say could because if you have certain powerful apps, they won't run on any phone. But you know, office and stuff like that, you could and if you don't know what continuum is, it's the idea of, hey, I can be using an app on my phone and then plug it in to a keyboard and monitor and start using it like a desktop. So this is really interesting, actually. It's the one promise that Windows phone keeps making or has kept making for the past few years. And it never really coalesced because the universal Windows platform apps, you know, it hasn't gained traction, enough traction for it to become relevant in that way. This could be a sort of a way of not even worrying whether or not the developers have made the switch. And it doesn't necessarily it's not necessarily that important for office, which you mentioned, because there is a version of office on Windows phone. And many of the mainstream apps are available on that platform. But for those two or three annoying apps that you do need for your work and you can't, you know, maybe the developer doesn't maintain them all that much anymore, all of that, then and that are holding you back from ditching your your PC or your laptop and just using your phone with this continuum feature. That could be the catalyst. I suspect it's not going to all of a sudden make Windows phone come out of the ditch. It's been in the past couple of years, but it could be very interesting for companies and enterprise clients that use this instead of a laptop for some of their employees. Yeah, for all the ghost stuff, if the phone has it has the capability for it. I get the feeling that what's been going on with Windows phone is not giving up on it so much as wiping the surface clean. I don't say slate on purpose because surface phone, right? I would not be shocked if what Microsoft does next year comes out with the surface phone. They're like, look, this is totally different than Windows phone. We've, you know, we've totally started over from scratch. And now we have this emulator. So when you are working in a Windows world, you can continue to work on a Windows world on this phone. And it would be restarting the mobile device section because it doesn't make sense for Microsoft to be moving more and more into tablets, more and more into hybrid tablet laptops and the Surface Studio and just say, oh, but mobile devices will just seed that to anybody when they've got a perfectly decent operating system that could take advantage of it, like you say, especially in the enterprise sections. I don't know about wiping the surface clean again, because it seems they've been doing this, you know, with Windows phone, was it seven or eight? And then 10 and Windows I mean, there's been so many different versions where you thought, all right, this time it's it's got to work out in the past five years or so. I think at this point, they're just going to say, and we have this new feature and it's got to be nice, but not like we've re-engineered everything from the get go from the from the start. All right, anyway, it usually makes steak bets with brushwood, but he's in Texas. I will make a ham and Gruyere baguette gluten free bet with you on this because I really I really do. So wait, wait, what are the conditions? Are they I guess are they going to give Windows phone version on on Nadella or someone else coming out and saying we've we've re-engineered the the mobile phone from the ground up, but it doesn't get a new name. It's still Windows phone. Windows operating system doesn't get a new name. No, it's because officially the operating system is Windows 10. They don't call it Windows phone anymore, even though everyone else does. OK, I feel like you need to be more specific on so the word re-engineering or some equivalent of that to the device. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because this is just an add on to Windows 10 that is coming in Redstone. Yeah, so I feel they are going to present it as an excellent new feature of the existing system. You say they're going to say it. I say they're going to make a big deal about the surface phone. We've re-engineered it. Well, yes, of course, the surf. They're going to make a big deal out of this. But OK, well, we're already welching on the bad. I can't believe it. And apart from that, I can bear it. You are not making sense. Hammongrew Airbet. All right. That's hey, thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit submit stories and vote on them. DailyTechNewShow.Reddit.com. One last thing to talk about our main discussion today, the International Telecommunications Union reports that 3.5 billion people some places I saw 3.6 billion. So I think the people are either rounding up or rounding down. But it's still almost half the world's population will be using the Internet by the end of 2016. Eighty percent of people in the developed world use the net. Forty percent in developing countries and then 15 percent in what the ITU calls less developed countries. Mobile Internet is helping that rise of usage, especially in the developing countries, but cost still impedes the spread in rural and remote areas, especially in those less developing countries. Looking at this report, one of the things they do is create what's called the ICT Development Index. ICT is Information Technology and the IDI or the Development Index takes into account 11 indicators, access, use, skills, key aspects of ICT development that allow for comparisons across countries over time. And then they rank people. And so it was interesting to me to see the coverage of this. Reuters headline was about the fact that, hey, almost half of the world is going to be online by the end of this year. We're approaching a big benchmark. Whereas ICT Web Africa headline was Africa performs poorly on the IDI part of this ranking. And then there was an ITWeb.co.za article that said, don't panic about South Africa's ICT ranking dipping on the IDI. So some parts of the world taking this IDI ranking more seriously than others. Well, yeah, it makes sense, right? If you're if you're in the US, you're going to look at how the US is performing. And obviously, the West is performing a little bit better than some of the less developed countries. The, you know, the fact that Africa is not performing well is, of course, a little bit disappointing. But I have to wonder. We are at this point now, even with the incredible spur of growth that Internet connectivity and IT access has seen with the development of mobile technology. And if we're not satisfied with the level of access now, I wonder how much worse it would have been without mobile technology, because really, I mean, the way I understand it, most of these countries are using mobile devices to access the Internet and for general computing purposes. Yeah, 95 percent of the world's population lives in an area that is covered by a mobile cellular signal. Now, it's not always a 3G or 4G signal. Sometimes it's 2G, but 95 percent of the world can get data of some kind. However, mobile broadband networks cover 84 percent of the world's population. So that's when we're talking about a little faster Internet access. So it's still large, but only 47.1 percent use the Internet. So there's a there's a big gap between I've got a signal, I could get a signal and I can afford to buy a phone and get service. Well, already, I think those numbers are encouraging. 95 percent of, you know, mobile mobile cellular signal is really good and 84 percent of broadband is, I think, again, very encouraging. The next question there is why does half of the population, more than half of the population, actually doesn't use the Internet? I really think that at this point, it needs to be, I'm sorry to be coming back to to this every time, but it is infrastructure related. And I'm sure in many countries, the state is involved in this. But if it isn't, I think it should be. You have countries where this is the entirety of their online capabilities. And if the the the existing situation isn't conducive to connecting people to the Internet, and in this case, you know, mobile broadband is often available, but for insert, you know, ISP development reasons, it's not people aren't getting online. I think it requires, I guess, what I'm trying to say is it's too important to just leave it up to chance. It's one of those things I don't think it's being left under chance. It's it's economics. I mean, 95 percent of the population has a signal. Some of them may not understand the benefits. Some of them may not want the benefits, even in in developed countries. There are people who say, you know what, I just I just don't want the Internet, all right, for whatever reason, but the biggest problem is cost. There is a little bit of cost of infrastructure, which raises the cost of the service. But there is, but there's mostly just economic development isn't such that people can afford the phones and the service. Sometimes it's because the service is too expensive, which I think is what you're alluding to here. But more often than not, it's, you know, you need jobs, you need money. They do a good job in this report of talking about the places where purchasing power is good enough to buy service. And actually Asia Pacific has the lowest price for mobile service, has the most affordable mobile service, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh have the lowest mobile service price when you adjust for all kinds of factors. So it's, I mean, this isn't the developing countries leading the way because they've got low prices. It's people just not having jobs and can even afford to get the lowest price service in the world. You're right. You're right. And I mean, I don't know, I don't know enough enough of the specifics. And I'm sure that the specifics change in every country we're talking about, you know, 84 percent of the world having a mobile broadband network that reaches them. It doesn't mean that the situation is similar everywhere. But that number is the one that strikes me, you know, 84. It's very often the signal is there, but people can't afford or, you know, aren't online. And that gap, 84 percent of the population having the signal getting to them and only 47 percent internet user penetration. That number is frustrating to me because it means that there are many, many, many, many people who who have. It's not even, you know, it's not that the internet isn't there for them. It's that it's there, but it can't. If you transpose this to water and obviously, you know, it's not an exact comparison because if you don't have water, you probably can't go on live, can't go on living for very long. But if you transpose it to water, it feels like there's the water right there and you can't go and drink from the street, which you can go three days without internet. You can't go three days without water. But but yeah, I get I get your point. Still, the upside is Africa is the fastest growing region when it comes to broadband and mobile telephony. The Seychelles, Mauritius in South Africa, one, two and three in that. Algeria and Namibia have the most improved IDI rankings. That's that broad ranking of skills and access and things like that. So it's going the right direction. We don't mean to make it all new doom and gloom. And actually, the Caribbean is making great strides. Saint Kits and Nevis is the most improved country in the world in the IDI ranking, followed by the island of Dominica. That's not the Dominican Republic. It's the island of Dominica and Granada. And of course, that's most improved. The number one in IDI ranking once again, second year in a row. Congratulations, South Korea. You just beat us. Put us all to shame, even if my project five didn't work very well there. Well, put us so maybe it put some people to shame. I don't think I would characterize my, you know, internet taxes as being being put to shame. Well, this is the IDI ranking. It's not just the fastest, although South Korea really tops the table and fastest as well. Two of the top 10 in IDI ranking were from Asia Pacific and seven from Europe. Yay. So yeah, Europe and Asia Pacific places to go for IT right now. All right, let's talk about our messages of the day. We've got a couple of them here. First of all, Mike wanted to follow up to Chris Christensen's tech and travel minute. If you watch the video version, tech and travel comes after the audio version for audio listeners or it's in the treasure chest if you're on Patreon. But he was mentioning Disney getting approval from the FAA to fly drones for a thing at Disneyland, I'm sorry, Disney World. And Mike says, hey, follow up. The show referenced just started showing at Disney Springs, which is the shipping and entertainment district at Walt Disney World on a nightly basis. It's called Star Bright Holidays and will be showing twice a night through the holidays. This looks really nice. I mean, really nice. It's it's very surprising. You basically have drones up in the air. I'm guessing many of them, right? Yeah, there's a bunch. And and they're stationary or moving a little bit and they light up creating some kind of strange structure in the air. That's that's a Christmas tree. Yeah, yeah, right. No, I mean, in this case, it's a Christmas tree. I'm sure there are other things as well that are displayed. But yeah, cool. Then Allen wrote in and said, I really enjoyed the discussion about the pitfalls of modern devices. It made me think of a couple of things. First was that I have a lot of modern, complicated devices and appliances that I only use in one or two ways. For example, my microwave probably has a couple dozen feature, but I only use timed cooking at full power since that's the easiest and at the time and go experiences taught me optimal times for various tasks. The other thing it reminded me of is Donald Norman's book, The Design of Everyday Things, even designing non-technical things like a door is fraught with peril as competing interest and misguided intentions influence the design. As he points out himself, he had to change the title of his book because of poor title design. It was originally called The Psychology of Everyday Things, and it was constantly getting miscategorized into the psychology sections at bookstores either way. I think taking complicated device like a modern toaster or an oven or a microwave and putting an app on top of it is just compounding the chance of complexity, confusion and malfunction. And he also found it amusing that in the post show after we were done yesterday, Veronica, who along with me had been critiquing overly complicating technology went shiny about some new features that show about TV and Ellen says, this is why we can't have simple tech. Well, I mean, there's definitely something to it. I think as tech enthusiasts, we often underestimate the need for simplicity in those things. That's that was basically this topic of your show yesterday. So I won't go over it again. But as frustrating as some of the simple over simplifications might be for some of our tech, especially, I think, you know, in in the ushering of mobile phones and tablets and things like that, what it what it's been is over simplifications of existing systems of existing computer systems. And even that, to an extent, is not simple enough for everyone to actually use is easily. So I think we tend to to to disregard the need for simplification as and look at it as thinking only of the things we lose in the process as opposed to the simplicity we gain. So it's a kind of literacy. I was thinking about it more after yesterday's conversation. We think, oh, the toaster is really simple. You know, why can't you be simple like a toaster? Well, have you used a toaster in different parts of the world? Have you ever come across a toaster? We're like, wait a minute, how do I use this? And it's like, well, this one has things on the sides and it folds up like this. And then it's this switch over here. I know it's not labeled. There's a certain amount of literacy we have, especially in mechanical devices that didn't used to exist. You take somebody from the sixteen hundreds and plunk them down in a modern kitchen. They will not be able to figure anything out. Especially a microwave, but we've we've learned what time cook means. And we learned that, well, it's usually 100 percent power. So I'm just going to assume it is. And so we're working out a new vocabulary for technology. I don't think that contradicts anything you just said, Patrick. It still needs to be simple. In fact, if anything, it needs to be even more simple and more obvious because we're learning a new way of managing things. Well, two things. I first I think, first of all, I'm not sure there is a point at which we get everyone tech literary enough that they understand everything that's happening, which is why, you know, if that was the case, we wouldn't have needed simplified devices like phones and tablets. Everyone would have been fine. Well, the phones are portable, but you get what I mean. The fact that for 30 years, people didn't actually get it. I always use the example of the VCR. We used to think, you know, the VCR is a little bit complicated. But after a while, people will get it. Well, guess what? They didn't and they still didn't understand how to program it and how to, you know. So I don't think that for certain things, it's just a matter of learning how it works because people don't very often. The other thing is I would love. A TV show that would get someone from the 1600s. I don't know how they would get that person. Little time travel. It's all we need. All we need and get them in the kitchen. And see how long it takes them to actually figure it out. And I think we might be surprised that it would take not as long as we would imagine. Maybe not. Maybe not. Nick with a C says, pretty sure a person from the 1600s could turn a gas stove on. I don't know. I guess it's new in the jet room. I was like, they're going to be looking for the coal. They're going to be like, where do I like? Where do I like the coal? I don't I don't see any coal here. You know, there is there was a fun movie from a couple of decades ago in France, where it was basically the three wise men that were teleported to the current day. And they made the approach of instead of making them like completely incredulous to everything they were seeing, it was more like looking at things and and just in wonder of the ingenuity of what was created. So they would take a light bulb and go and look at it and not go like, oh, light, where does it come from? It would be like, oh, there's a little piece of metal that's incandescent. How clever is that work? That's great. Well done. Who invented that? Well, folks, a reminder, if you're in the Washington, D.C. area next Wednesday, November 30th, Big Jim and friends wanted to let me to let people know that there is a meetup happening for DTS participants. Now, I'm not going to be there, but just folks who are interested in the show. So if you're interested in going, go to bit.ly slash D.C. Drinks 2016. And they would like you to just let them know that you're coming so they could figure out how many people to expect and tell the venue and all of that. And then they can let you know where it's going to take place. bit.ly slash D.C. Drinks 2016. Diamond Club and DTS fans and anyone else, please join in. Thank you to Patrick Beja, of course, for joining in on this show. Enjoyed the Phileus Club as I always do most recently, and you've got all kinds of things going on. Yeah, I guess I would definitely point people to the Phileus Club. You know, it's been a very interesting couple of weeks for a lot of people. And it's been especially difficult and trying for me, because on the Phileus Club, I always tried to take a very measured view and sometimes even going to the other side of my political beliefs to try and understand how people think there. And obviously, so I'm people know very not, I guess, yes, very liberal. And and so it has been an interesting journey for me on this episode. But I really think that we we did a pretty good job. I'm very proud of that episode. There was four of us, one from the US, one from Europe, one from Germany and one from South Africa. And we covered what we learned from this very shocking result of the election. And I've gotten a lot of positive feedback because people from both sides of this very heated debate have been saying that this was something, you know, the way we talked about it was, you know, interesting to them and brought something to their thought process. And some people were saying, this is what I've been saying forever. Thank you for echoing my thoughts. So definitely, I know you must be tired of the elections by now. And there are, you know, concerns all around. But I go listen to it French spin dot com, the Phileas Club. Yeah, if you're looking for something that isn't the same thing you've been hearing everywhere else and gives you some useful perspectives, I highly recommend it as well. 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Wiping the surface clean and control arm delete is as far as we got, Roger. What happened to my other artists? Wiping to control arm delete. That's news to me. Students trust easily purchased. I don't think that's what that actually meant. I don't think so either. I get the I get the sentiment. Windows emulates the good old days. I do good old days. Net normality. World struggles with signal to food ratio. Signal 95. Penetration 47. Oh, yeah. No, nicely done. That's a good summary of that story. I like it. Neutralist net ever. Don't overestimate Google's estimates. Can emulate windows out of a ditch. Hem and Gruyere bets. Blockchain indigestion. Blockchain of unsafe cheese. Microsoft takes to par. Blockchain of unsafe cheese. Why is it cheese? It's usually like spinach or broccoli. Rearming windows. Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I'd go up with signal 95 penetration 47. Yeah. Oh, that sounds like a scoreboard, too. So it works. All right, I'm actually going to run off. OK, OK. You don't have any last minute selections for the title. Oh, I would go with the signal 95 penetration for penetration 47. Cool. We'll have a lovely rest of your day of my night of your night. 24 hour unit of time. Thanks. Thanks, guys. Right. All right, bye. Bye, guys. Thanks, master. Be master. The thanks master. Twenty five thousand. Booth up your thanks. Oh, mom. Oh, I'd go signal 95 penetration 47. I'm good with that. Yep. Make it so. Make it so. Engage. Now I want to do. Star Trek parody featuring Trump. How did that work? I guess he would have his own planet. You know, I keep calling him President Elect because I believe in according whoever holds the office to proper titles. However, is he and this isn't a Trump thing, by the way. I had the same problem with Obama in 2008. Is he president? Elect yet because the Electoral College votes on December 19th. So technically, it hasn't been elected. It's true. And they don't count the votes until January 6th. So no one. Again, this is not a political thing. No one is really President Elect until the electoral votes have been counted, right? I think it's just, you know, I think that's always been a bit of a technicality. And I think the technicality, I get it. But I'm like, if we really wanted to be super accurate about it. Yeah, that's what they're protesting. They want the they want electors to go. Faith, faith, well, again, I wasn't even trying to go that that direction. Like I said, this was also something I thought about 2008. He should really be or she, whoever, should be called presumptive president until the Electoral College votes are counted. Then they become President Elect. How about just putative President Elect? Putative sounds almost like like you're doubting. Like, man, he he thinks he's president. Isn't that what presumptive means? No, no, it's not presumptive. Is what I think is more accurate. I'm trying to break you out of talking about this election, by the way, and just talk about it in general. And you keep trying to go back to your alleged I'll try. Alleged of that. Would you call would you have called Obama a legend president in 2008? Yeah, I like your voting as president until the electoral votes are counted. He's both president and not president. All right, we'll talk about something else. That's what people come here for, Roger. Something else I have become something else. I must because I must because I never understood that line for the arrow. But what what have you become that are you now inhuman like in the era when he does this little I must become someone else. I must become something else. I know it's like, what is that? Are you turning into a werewolf and just going to go through and bite the heads off the criminal underworld? I think he's saying it's changed him so much that it's not just that he isn't Oliver Queen. He's he's he's like a bad man, by the way, if you haven't. The secret identity is the bear. It's like, really, it's a that must be one cushy job. My day, I work to protect my city as mayor. I want to know where he gets to sleep. That's my one thing I never, never, never. Well, I would assume he slept in the place that he shared with Felicity up until recently, but we don't even know where he lives now. He needs he needs like a good night's rest. You just can't go around spending all night chasing after the criminal element and not like get your Z's like Superman, a Superman I can understand. He's he's alien, he's Kryptonian, the sun, you know, energizes him. He might not even need sleep. You know, it's just like Superman doesn't really need to eat either. He just does it out of sleep while he flies. Or is that is he just going to plummet to the earth? No, you're thinking of dolphins or birds. No, you're thinking of birds when they fly like geese sleep a little bit. They take a bird out of the plane. He's ironically, ironically enough, Superman never really had the originally he never had the ability to fly. He could just jump very far. And so it seemed like he was flying, right? Leap a leap of tall building in a single bound. Right. No, that's that's the like issue one of of action comics, right? And then in the late 70s with the super friends, they made Superman like super strong. He could like push planets out of their orbit and then push them back in after they clean up whatever ecological mass man kind of did left the planet. I mean, essentially his flying, it could be considered just long term jumping jumping. Yeah, but he could do all sorts of things like he could do loop to loops. I mean, that's a pretty odd jump if you think about it. It's a cape, right? The cape helps him do that. Let's let's spin out of control. Wow, Trump and then. Oh, you do that. Why you do that? Oh, I was just reading what he did. You're addicted. You saw you saw his name and you couldn't like there's plenty of other things being said in the room. I've been trained. You've changed yourself. Have I? Yeah, you are what you eat. Well, I guess if I was a cannibal. Now, I this is the selection isn't even the first example of this. We do this. We get obsessed with with news. Things and then and then it activates the reward circuit to constantly go back. It's what has happened. What has happened? What has happened? That's what just happened to you just there. It's an addiction. And jazz is the cure. Now you clicked on that link, didn't you? Sorry, master. Big bastard dealer sending you links. I already read that. It's OK. I don't I close it. It's like, oh, I read this. Shane says he wouldn't call it the reward circuit, but it is. Yeah, I mean, in the same way that people smoke when they get anxious or stressed as a way to play. Well, there's a little bit of a confirmation bias going on, right? I want to see something that confirms how I feel. And honestly, I think that's probably more what's behind the fake news outburst is people wanting to see things that confirm how they feel. And so they're, oh, yeah, I don't care if it's true or not. That confirms what I feel. Click. I honestly think some people, you know, this is I still believe most people think, no, that stuff is fake. Yeah, just I do. I would like to see what evidence there is that it had an effect. And it's how much of an effect. I don't think anybody's had a chance to study that yet. So I don't think you can really say you can guess you can say, well, I think it did this, but that doesn't mean it did. I have a gut feeling that it while it did have an impact, I think it's a lot smaller than what is being presented. I tend to think that's probably true based on what I know about media consumption so far. But since everyone is convinced it had an effect, let's study it. Let's find out. It's not something that can't be studied. It's not like dark matter. We're like, well, you know, we need a particle collider for that. No, we just know we should. We should get fake news and then someone just bloated and then collide them at very high speeds, see what particles come out. We might find out a lot about supersymmetry if we did that. But if I took a very heavy Hillary supporter and a very heavy Trump supporter and then collided them like heavy particles and you have heavy supporters. Actually, another. Have you ever seen that movie on the edge of tomorrow? The one with live, die, repeat. Yeah, the one with the DVD. What's the Tom Cruise? Yeah, I watched that on TV last night. Oh, yeah. Everyone said it was good. I was just annoyed by the whole movie. Really? Was it because of the commercials? Because of the end, I thought the end was lame. It just that movie could have been done in 45 minutes. Well, yeah, if you didn't repeat. Yeah, well, I know, but it just seemed like a point, Roger. No, I get that. But even Groundhog's Day, like it wasn't that tedious. It was it was fun, but it felt tedious to me. It's OK. Get it. You're learning. You're you need the montage of dying and coming back in order to build up a sense of time and they did the same thing in Doctor Strange. I haven't seen it. Not for the whole movie. Don't spoil it. I haven't seen it. But every movie needs a montage to accelerate time. You need a montage. Right. Like that explains how the 90 pound weakling becomes like a 200 pound boxer, you know, in the span of 10 minutes. You mean Captain America? Well, they had, you know, see, that's the thing. He's like the ultimate steroid abuser, really. Oh, I took a super soldier serum and suddenly I'm buffed. I mean, he was given a super soldier serum. Sort of like the government pushed him into it, don't you think? What if it was just really just a prototype of muscle milk? And it's like that stuff would be a lot more super soldiers then, no. I want to know what his kidneys are like. If he's like totally like in the side effects of the super serum, right? Yeah, it's always like, oh, that's great. I mean, Marvel Comics, they did a whole one where the originally they tested the super serum on African American subjects in order to test its safety. And so the original Captain America was a black guy. But yeah, I'm curious because, you know, steroids have a have a long history of not being so good for you. Not so good. They're not steroids, though. Super serum, totally different thing. Super, super steroids, steroids. Anything about it being steroids? You see this horse? We injected it with radio radioactive isotopes. I don't get it. I don't know. Maybe that's how they made the horse strong. And then they took his super serum. It's not steroids just because you want it to be. It is fake news, Roger. You're doing you're implementing fake news about a fictional character. That's going to be the next thing, right? Is just start levying fake news accusations at everything. It's because now it's become a buzzword. Oh, it was. I mean, isn't that what the big thing for Rushland boss thing was? Like liberal bias. They're spinning these stories. That's different than fake news, though. Yeah. I'm saying that the new thing will not be bias or lame stream media. I mean, what was it that a big thing of yellow journalism? The I mean, so it's really just a big giant return of. Look, you can never be fully objective. So if someone wants to pick at things, they can always find bias that that that is part of the honesty of being human. There will always be bias in everything that every single person says. I'm not disagreeing with you. No, I'm not talking. I'm not arguing with you now. Why are you lecturing me? I'm not lecturing you. I'm kidding. Never mind. No teasing you. It's it's fine. I was trying to explain my opinion, but it turned into a lecture. But now you've thrown me off and I don't remember what I was going to say. Vita rays. What was Vita rays? Listen, it bruises me when you knock me off my high horse like that, Roger. I'm not trolling anyone. If I was trolling, I would set up a is a trolling when your friends do it. I don't know. But am I really trolling or am I just poking fun? Steve Rogers, Steve Rogers, that's pretty funny. I guess the short version was like, yeah, nothing is entirely objective, but that doesn't mean we can't be closer to accurate. How's that? Closer to perfection. Shorter. It's all a continuum. Microsoft Windows continuum is available soon with your arm emulator. Is it that the Borg religion, that particle? What was that particle that was perfection or whatever incarnate? Perfectonium. No, that whole thing out of my mind, because I didn't like that. I kind of remember. I still think it's weird that the movie, though, or was that in the series? Voyager, remember, they find that one element. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That Janeway has like the super secret bomb to blow up. And it's like, well, why don't you use this thing? Will we the omega particle? Thank you. Yes, Krug got there, too. Omega particle. So like it's Star Trek's version of Darkseid's anti life each species. Two, four, seven, eight or whatever it was. Daily tech. Oh, I almost did it. I just stopped myself from putting the headlines into the Daily Tech News Show feed again. See, sometimes if I pay attention, I don't make mistakes. Just that the W. Scott is let's just not believe anything problem solved. It's kind of where I was going with that. Yeah. What was the Greek thought? Was it the Greek philosopher went around the barrel? I'm really bad about remembering. Greek philosopher Bob. No, the one that. I thought the species 8472, you guys are good. 8, 6, 7, 5, 3. Listen, I'm not calling anyone named Jenny. Wait a minute. We already had, we work with Jenny. My wife. No, there's some things species 8472 and then Shane just threw in 8, 6, 7, 5, 3 and a half. And then she turned out to be a real phone number. This stuff, the people at the other end. Hammond Gruyer bet has been made, although I don't remember. And Patrick has confused me about the terms. His wily Frenchness. He charmed you with his charismatic. Frequent disarmed me with his French charms. All right. Thanks everybody for watching, listening and otherwise participating in a really bad cereal. French or lucky. Who do you get a magical purple Eiffel tower in every box?