 It's so stupid, it's positively brilliant. The brilliant, the brilliant, the brilliant, the brilliant, the brilliant. The brilliant, the brilliant, the brilliant, the brilliant, the brilliant, the brilliant. Yep, y'all, I'm Aint Nagat, Andrew Shelts. We are The Brilliant Idiots Podcast, and today's episode is brought to you by Squarespace from websites and online stores, the marketing tools and analytics. Squarespace is the all-in-one platform to build a beautiful online presence and run your business. There are no hidden fees or price hikes, and all websites are optimized for mobile, and it's so simple. Start with a design template and use drag-and-drop tools to make it your own. Head to squarespace.com slash idiot for a free trial, and when you're ready to launch, use the offer code idiot to save 10% off your first purchase. Now let's start the show. Andrew Shelts is here, of course. Wax is here, of course. Taylor Gang is here, Fresh Off Vacation. Ivy Rivera is here, Fresh Off Vacation. Oof. What's that mean? That's like a reaction. Oh, oof. No, I saw a sweatshirt. Somebody actually sent me a sweatshirt that said oof, so I didn't know if that was some new young shit. I think I texted that to you, and you was like, what does that mean? I was like, it's a sound effect. You got that ass nowadays. You just don't know nowadays. What that mean? That sound like you ate too much. Yeah, exactly. It's a reaction. I see Little Latin X is over there with Hezzy. Hezzy, how have you been? How was your last couple weeks? Yo, life is good. It is. Big announcement. I got a big announcement, Sharla. Blessings, blessings. You want to do it now? You want to do it during church announcements, or you want to let it rip now? Well, let's let it rip now while everybody's paying attention for some other shit. Go ahead, go ahead. Let's go. Okay. Big announcement. I will be the producer of the new Rory and Maugh podcast. Congratulations. I am the producer of the new Rory and Maugh podcast. Coming to the White Effect Network. We started a new podcast network called the White Effect Network for Strong White Voices. And I wasn't sure that about, I'll be honest. I was sure about Rory. I thought that he could be a strong white voice. You know what I mean? And just take awkward sips out of his red cup. But I felt that he needed somebody to be like mixed up with. And then when I listened to the podcast that they recorded at WTF Media Studios, the two bucks. That was a pilot episode? When I listened to that pilot episode, and at first I was skeptical of Maugh. I was like, this guy, he doesn't sound, because I wanted a white male voice and I wanted a white female voice for this podcast to really be the cornerstone of the White Effect Network. And I need a strong female voice. And I didn't think that Maugh could be a strong female voice. But when he said my aura is beautiful, I was like, that's the guy. That is the guy. That is the white woman I need. That you can be the Caitlyn Jenner of podcasting. You can do it. When he said my aura is beautiful, I said, you captured my heart. He captured my heart in that very moment. He captured my heart in that very moment. And that's it there. That's going to be my first podcast. We're looking for other podcasts. You know what I mean? So I don't know if See the Thing is broken up yet, but we're willing to do something with y'all as well. And that's just how things move. Well, I wish you much success at the White Effect Podcast Network. Amazing. Yeah, I wish you much, much, much success. I'm looking. I think if you put your money behind something, and I think you put your passion behind something, and I think if the time is right in history and you get the right voices, you know what I mean? I just want powerful, strong white voices. White female voices. Is there longevity in that? Is there longevity in that podcast? I don't know I'm asking, because I don't know. I don't know if some things are for the moment, you know, because of the situations that are around it. Is there longevity in that podcast? Oh, that's a good question. Will people listen to it? I mean, did you listen to it? I listened to bitching pieces. Yeah, I listened to bitching pieces because people were sending me things. Like they sent me pieces where I was being spoken about. Right, yeah. Which I just thought was strange because it's like, you know, I lead with love, right? So if you lead with love and you show somebody love, I don't understand why that person would turn around and start hating, you know, and then bring you up later the reference you showing them love is just strange. But you know, people do strange things, man. God bless everybody. I wish everybody the best. When you launched the first episode. That's the thing is, that's the thing. I'm not going to launch any episodes. For the good of the public, I'm never going to allow it. You know what you should have said, see the thing is I'm not going to launch any episodes. I missed the opportunity. But no, I tried listening to their episode. I tried listening to their episode and for the good of the public, I think what we'll do is record episodes with them but just never release them. So nobody has to be that bored for an extended period of time. I tried to watch it. I tried to listen to it. And yeah, they just don't got it, man. They just don't got it. I wish everybody the best, man. You know why I wish everybody the best shows. I send positive healing energy to everybody. You know why? Why? Because I want my order to always be beautiful, man. I want my energy to always be pure, man. That's it, you know what I mean? I wish them, I absolutely, positively wish them the best. I just think it's strange, man. I'm sorry. Outside of that, I know we want positive energy to everybody, whatever. But you got to admit there's a couple times that were fucking hysterical. Like you get these clips and like there's just moments that were just so hysterical in it. You didn't laugh. Break it down for me. Break it down for me. I didn't see the whole thing. Break it down for me. I didn't see the whole thing either. I tried to watch some pieces and then I had Alex give me like a breakdown because it was shot at the beautiful WTF Media Studios. Oh, amazing. So that means that shows had an advanced copy. Don't act like y'all wasn't in Miami. He had the original. Exactly. Don't act like y'all wasn't in Miami watching that like this minister society tape when Old Dog shot them. In the theater room. Exactly. And Old Dog shot the people in the convenience store. I just thought there was a hilarious part where they talk about how everybody told him that what's the guy's name? What the fuck is his name? Who? The guy who runs the fucking network. I have no idea. John. Oh. John is his name. Ian. Ian. The rap the guy used to rap. The fuck is his name? Jonathan. Jonathan. Jonathan. Jacob. Peter. Peter was it? I don't know. But whatever. That guy that used to, the guy that used to rap it to the podcast or whatever, he, they're talking, Rory and Maul are talking about him and like, and they're like, man, everybody told us that, you know, he's going to rip you off. Everybody told us he's going to do you dirty. But, but then, but then Rory and Maul are like, they're like, but he was our friend. He, we never thought that he would do that to us. You know, and it's just like, that's exactly how everybody in the Trump administration sounds. That's everybody in Trump administration. Yeah. It's like, do you stand that when you, when you stand next to somebody and you co-sign them, when things are good and then when, here's the thing, and I say this all the time, if you want to see how somebody's going to treat you, just watch how they treat other people. Eventually it's going to be your turn. Eventually it's going to be your turn. Like it's not even rocket science. There's no need to act like it's some complicated math problem here. If you want to see how somebody's going to treat you, just eventually, just watch how they treat other people. Eventually it's going to be your turn. Simple as that. I don't know what else to tell you. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It was just, it was a sad moment. I actually kind of felt bad because I'm watching these two guys and they just like looking at the camera and they're just like, I thought, I thought he loved me. No. I thought he loved me. I thought he loved me. I thought it was going to be different with me. I thought, I thought he really, I thought he told me it would be different. He told me I wasn't like them other ones. He told me I was unique. He told me I was special. He said I was special, but then he didn't treat me special. Bro, you sound like you got a hold of a Tyler Perry script. It felt like it. I felt so bad. I want to give him a hug. I want to give them a hug because they were hurt. Their hearts were hurt. He, listen, he said, he said he loved them. He said he loved them. If you want to see how somebody's going to treat you, just watch how they treat other people. Eventually it's going to be your turn. And that's why I tell anybody, man, you know, you think that, you know, you're around somebody and they're doing everybody dirty. If you're not checking that individual, and I'm not even speaking about that particular situation. I'm just saying in general, if you're not checking that individual, what makes you think that it's not eventually going to happen to you? I've seen it happen a million times. A million times. That's, that's how, that's how a Wendy Williams husband is. Yeah. It's like, yo, you watch him do everybody dirty. What made me think it wouldn't be my turn at some point. What made me think I was different? Yeah. He said he loved you. Hey, you know, that's, that's just the truth to the matter. Like literally that's what it is. Like you underestimate it. Like what the fuck is his name? What the fuck is his name? What? Jonathan. Jonathan. What you underestimate? Like how, how he's probably super romantic, bro. Like, no, like, no, like, you gotta understand, like if you could convince two dudes like New York dudes like that, if you got two, I'm from New York, right? So it's like, I'm born and raised in New York, you know? So it's like, the way you got to tell me you love me, where like, no matter what anybody else says, it doesn't matter. Like you got to look into a man's eyes and be like, yo, I love you, bro. Like during yoga. During yoga, like the right music plan, like it's got to be special, bro. Zen. You got to put that behind Patreon, bro. Like I need a Patreon exclusive. I need a Patreon exclusive. I love you, bro. Like just that. Just say I love you, Patreon. I got to feel what that is like, because that's next level, bro. Oh my God. That's kind of fucked up though. Somebody need to fuck them up though. Out of them two, somebody need to just give them like a couple of 30 seconds or do one of them. Jake Paul fights or something like that. He owe somebody 30 seconds, bro. For what? Yeah, I know it for love, bro. It sounds like big manipulation to me. Talk to me, Ivy. What you feel? Like just from what I'm hearing, what I'm gathering. You use the I love you to get what you want. And then when you finish with whatever accomplishments that need to be made, you're like, okay. See you later. Yeah, but we not talking about that. We talking about this specific situation. It was really black and white. Yeah. It was really black and white. I shouldn't do that out there. I shouldn't do that out there, but you know, it's been happening for years. It was a situation where it became what's love got to do with it. Yeah, I mean, because yeah, because there's no permanent friends or enemies when it comes to business. You know what I mean? But you know, I'm going to have respect though, bro. You got to have respect, man. I saw Kevin Hart, you know, speaking on this situation and I thought what Kevin said was very, very true. It literally just comes down to, you know, poor leadership skills. Everybody's... I actually was a supporter of the progression of him and his podcast. From afar, to see you publicly shit on the guys that was with you, that's an example of poor leadership. That's an example of why you are where you are. Here's the answer. Point blank. You want to be by yourself. You want to be King Dingley. Whoa. You can't do that. You can't do that. Wells should be shared. Not owned. Facts. So this is a shout out, man, to Rory at Mall. You guys were dope as fuck at that job. Once again, I was a fan of the fucking podcast. It's a sad day to see this shit end when you guys were on your way to what seemed to be higher levels of success. I don't set a peer and promote the negativity. Wish there was a world where you could work it out, but you need a good fucking leader that understands it's not just him. I don't think Joe has that. Everybody, as much as you may think you are, everybody's not built to be a leader because I don't think a leader is something that, a leader is not about position, right? Like I can put somebody in a CEO position. I can put somebody in a boss position, but they just may not be built for that position. You know what I mean? Some people are great followers. Well, some people are leaders, some people are lovers. Like he's a lover. What about when you lead with love? Can you lead with love? I think only for so long. You know what I mean? Oh, that's a good point. Especially in business, right? Because I could be leading with love. And if we're all leading with love in a business and the business is making money, eventually you're going to be like, hey man, this love is cool, but bruh. What's up with that money? Love is transparency. Love is direction and helping to build something. So you can lead with love because it's levels to this shit. But not respect. But here's the thing. Love is respect. You got to understand the trance that he had these grown men in because not only did he have them so committed and so loved and so loyal, he kept talking about how important transparency was and being there for the creators and supporting the creators. And he had these two grown men that loved him so much that were so deeply in love. They were co-signing the fraudulence that he was saying. He's like, yo, we got it with spec creators, pay creators and full transparency. And they were like, yo, can we get paid? And can you have transparency with the books? And he was like, fuck no. And then they were going to podcasts the next week like, yeah, we're about creators, which that's next level manipulation and next level love. That's co-sync. The dude's got a talent. Well, listen, there's no future in front, man. And I mean, that's what I don't like. You know what I mean? Like, don't front. Like, don't sit there and act like things are all good if they're not. Like, you know, if you're going to get in front of a platform and you're going to call other people out on their deals and you know, you're going to talk about what other people aren't doing in regards to business, just make sure you got your shit straight. That's all. Don't live in a glass house. So my question is, does it fall on A or does it fall on B and C for not like paying attention? I say it's done because they still under the same numbers as Joe was on. So what if they had got a big deal because it was on the same numbers and made something happen? Do they have to give Joe it? But if they all got three different big deals, would they be still trying to get money from Joe? I mean, if you start something together and you build something together, I think it all should be broken down. You know what I mean? Like when we started Brilliant Idiots, how long ago has it been? Shit. It's been so long, man. Chris Murrow. I got to give my guy Chris Murrow props, man. When Chris came and Chris was like, yo, y'all, you should start a podcast. I was on some arrogant egotistical shit. And I'm like, why would I start a podcast when I do radio? You know what I mean? But luckily I listened to Chris. And I'm like, yo, you know, I'm thinking about people who I wanted to, like partner with. And I'm like, yo, it was actually between Andrew and this white woman. Suity Jesse made Palusa. But you know what Andrew means? Her management fucked that up. Was it? I don't remember what happened with that. Her management said that they wanted you to do it with her, but not me. Really? Yeah. And then that didn't work out. Oh, I don't remember. But Andrew pulled up and me and Andrew been rocking and rolling ever since. And never have I ever looked at this like this is the Charlemagne the God podcast. That's why it's called the Brilliant Idiots. You know what I mean? From day one, I've always like, yo, we built something together. Like I don't give a... And by the way, Andrew took the business way more serious than I did. And it still does. But I know that I get checks all the time. Damn right. And those checks are chunky. Damn right. And I... I don't... I don't... I'll be honest. And I always told you from the jump, I was like, listen, man, I'm going to add value to this podcast one day. I promise you, but I understand the immense value that you add to this shit. And if you want to... But no, I felt like you... No, I felt like you bought the value to the podcast. I guess... This is the thing about partnerships, man. At the end of the day, what we're talking about before anything else, we're talking about is some shit good. Will some shit be good? So if two people sit down, it's about talent. Andrew Schultz has been a talented motherfucker. Thank you, sir. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Everything else, you know, it comes later. But at the end of the day, when you sit down and you build with somebody, it don't matter what your status is, what your financial level is. When y'all sit down and create this thing, is it going to be good? When it comes to talent, man, that's all that matters. Y'all both here when it comes to talent. Unless you're just, you know, overly talented and you're carrying somebody, that's never been the case. That's probably what he thought. Yeah, but I felt... I'll be honest with you, like, I think I've gotten better at podcasting, but when we first started, you were so fucking much better at me than... I mean, this is what you do for a living. And I learned a lot from doing it with you. But you were... You know, I'm not trying to teach her on horn here, but like I just learned a lot about talking to someone without an audience. Like I'm used to talking to people with an audience. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So learning how that switches and like learning these little things I learned a lot from you and I think that I've gotten better at it. But more importantly, I'm also thinking, listen, you're bringing this huge audience to the podcast. I don't have an audience. What can I do to help? How can I fill in the gaps? If you're doing all this, bring in the audience. All right, let me make it easier for you. Let me make sure we get the cameras. Let me make sure that we put it up on YouTube so you don't got to worry about none of that. I'll handle some more of the business side. And let me try to build up my career in stand-up so that maybe I could bring some people over here and start listening to the podcast too. So you're not caring doing all the heavy lifting. That's interesting that you felt like that because for me, like I was saying, I felt arrogant, right? I was like, why would I start a podcast? And one of the main reasons I was afraid to start a podcast, I didn't know motherfuckers would listen. I really didn't. Breakfast Club is one thing. That's something we started at Power 105. Power 105 was still a radio station that already had an audience in New York. This is something starting from scratch with a podcast. But when me, you and Jazz fly, God bless the dead, my beautiful sister Jazz, when we sat down and we did that star shame episode, and we had like $36,000 at the gate, I was like, oh shit, they give a fuck about listening to me outside of Breakfast Club. So, you know, the same way you felt, like, oh man, I don't know if we can build an audience. I felt the same exact way. Oh shit. But the point is, the point is we built something together. Yeah. I've never looked at it any other way. I don't give a shit, like go and do your thing, run with the business, like go get the fucking advertisers, set the YouTube up. I don't give a shit, like do your thing. Yeah. You know what I mean? But you got to have transparent, like I think we had trust, but we also had transparency, like, and it's one of those things where like, we'll make decisions together. Like, I don't make any decision without coming to you and going, yo, do you want to do this? Is this something that you want to do? Don't do this shit because it works for me. Is it something you want to do? And we're lucky where I think we kind of trust each other on these types of decisions. Let's talk about that. Okay, go. Because I want it's bigger lessons than all of these conversations, right? Yeah. You got to have a team, bro. Yes. Like if you're a person who's been doing, you know, different things in this industry for a long time, and every single time, you know, you're in a situation where you get fucked. After a while, you can only point the finger at you and your team. Who's your agent? Who's your manager? Who are the people around you that you trust? Why is your circle constantly causing you to be in these situations where you fucking lose? Yeah. Like, yo, I got the type of people around me that I know I can trust. I can close my eyes and shit going to get done. Whether it's here at the brilliant idiots podcast, whether it's at the Black Effect podcast network, whether it's, you know, at SBH Productions, me and Kevin Hart's company, whether it's at my book imprint black privilege, like you have to have people around you that can get things done that literally have your best interest at heart. Because I promise you, man, if you keep finding yourself in situations where you feel like you're getting fucked, you got to look in the mirror and you got to look at the people around you. And you might have to make some changes, bro. That's it. It's about teamwork, man. There has to be the hardest thing. It has to be. Like, I love that conversation with you and Andrew just now because it's like, not only are you guys existing in this podcast, but you guys work as a team and this transparency with ideas and how you can make your own identity and shine on your own without being a background singer. Yeah. That energy needs to be spilled everywhere on all levels of all things. Yeah. And I mean, listen to another point Andrew made like, yo, Andrew, we've been doing this podcast for seven years. Andrew, he put himself in position. He used every opportunity that came your way. He put himself in position to where now you, not only are you doing your own thing, you've got a whole other squad. That's what this shit is about. Yes, bro. Yes, it's done. That's what this shit is about. Yeah. Like what you, what you, when a baby is sucking on that breast, getting that milk, what is he getting the milk for? Bro. To grow, to be strong enough to crawl and walk on his own and become its own entity. Yeah. We all do that in various situations. Yeah. All of us. We've all done that. We did that at MTV too. We did that. I did that. I do that at breakfast club. Shows you do that with stand up. You did. We do that with brilliant idiots. We've all done that. We've all done that to be able to put ourselves in position to be able to walk on our own. Man, if you are grown as a dope and you ain't still figured out how to walk on your own, God bless you. If you scared, if you scared to walk on your own. Yeah. Without the mother fucking Walker. Oh my God. God bless you, bro. Shit is sad, man. It's a sad, sad, sad existence, bro. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder what... I mean this sincerely. I'm not trying to be sarcastic and shit like that, but I truly do wonder what the stand is feeling right now. Like the person that went out there. Because I understand there's people who listen for entertainment value. Like I got some homies that know that the guy's full of shit. He just says whatever, but he's wildly entertaining. You cannot deny the entertainment value. In the same way that girls watch Real Housewives or something, it's like they don't really value what the girls are saying. They're like, this is just some funny. It's so entertaining. They're just saying it. Yeah, I got you. Right? So like, but there are also people there who like tap and stand and got your back and will ride so hard and then to know that they were riding so hard for something that was a facade and that wasn't true and the exact opposite thing was happening. It's almost like QAnon, bro. You know what I mean? Like, you know those people who tried to take down, you know, take down a country or whatever, they stormed the capital and it's like, and now they found out that it was all bullshit. They were manipulated the whole time. None of the things that they were hearing were true. Like what do those people do, man? That's dangerous. They don't become terrorists or some shit. You must feel so disillusioned. Like you were on the internet fighting for somebody because you truly believe what he was saying was real but then you found out he wasn't living up to it even to his own closest people. Like, I honestly feel bad for those people, bro. I truly do. I have empathy for those people. Well, that's our coach of forms, you know? And I'm not talking about that situation. I'm just talking about things in general. In general, yeah. Coach of forms because, you know, you pray on people's need to believe to create this cult like following. So, you know, you give them something to believe in and how do you give them something to believe in? You whip up a fight. We see it all the time. We see it all the time in politics. You got to have an enemy. In this situation, the enemy is the industry. The enemy is, you know, the people that are, you know, taking advantage of the creators, right? So, you know, you build, you create that. You create this enemy. But the truth is, you really just want to be a part of that situation. That's just sad. And that's what happens a lot of times. A lot of times we become what we hate. You know what I'm saying? Or we've always been it. We just never had the power to expose it. Very true. Are we never got accepted by it? That's another thing too, right? It's like that girl that keeps ignoring you over and over and over. So, you try to get with her. She doesn't want you. So, then you show extreme disdain. Ah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? You show extreme disdain for her. As soon as she gives you a little bit of play. I love it. I love you. I'm with you. I'm right here with you. I'm hugging you boo. And by the way, I just want to point out, I would never do that with a streaming platform ever. I am Mr. Independent. And I would never do a special with a major streaming platform at all. So, I'm not a hypocrite whatsoever when it goes down to that shit. No, no. But in all seriousness. But once again, shows the difference between you and we had this conversation. Oh, I'm hypocritees. Let's go. You admit it. Of course. But the other thing. There's nothing wrong with changing your mind. You know what the cruelest thing about that shit is though, is like the issues that oftentimes these cult leaders bring up to manipulate people are actually true real issues. Yeah. You know, like the industry is corrupt. Yes. Right. Like all the things that they're saying, people don't respect creators. And all the things they're saying are real. So if you're a creator, if you're somebody who's been treated shitty by the industry, you're like, finally someone's saying this shit. Yeah. But if you're not keeping that same energy with your own people, you are just using it as a tool to manipulate people to support you. And that's kind of corny, bro. Wait, I have a question though. Go Ivy, go. So if this person has been in a history of, you know, hitting walls in whatever business endeavors he has pursued, how can he really lead when all he has experienced is loss? He's not the best person to lead that pack because all he knows is what he's experienced. I think that's a very valid question. Like I said, I would think people would learn from their experiences, but I guess they don't. And that's why I got a question said person and I got a question, the person's team. You know what I mean? Number one, how do you continue to end up in these situations if you have the experience? And number two, how does your team continue to put you in these situations? And this goes back to what started his ranch against me last fall. I said one simple thing on Breakfast Club, one simple thing. I think the brother understands his value, he knows his worth, but he doesn't know how to negotiate it. Yeah. Which is essentially saying I don't think he knows the business like he thinks he knows the business. Then which caused him to go on all these ranch, you know, about me, about, you know, oh, you're not an owner and you're not this and you're not that, blah, blah, blah. I didn't give a damn. You know, people were like, oh, you know, that's insecurity though. Explain. That's, if you're saying something that's not even a disc, I think that's constructive criticism. Yes. I think that is like, just general basic analysis. I thought so. So when you come back in defense, especially, that's like, if you're saying Ivy, I think that, you know, you work really hard, but this may not be for you. I'm like, I'm like, well, that's why you ball head and that's why I'm not like that. You just deflecting. You have to say ball headed. I'm just. I'm actually, is that what I feel is what you are? But it's just, you're deflecting the point. You know what I'm saying is, thank you for that information. Thank you for your opinion. Now I'm going to look at why you may think that, you know, and I'm going to work on it. So you don't have another comment to say about my business again. That's the way you do it. Competition. And the worst part about that, you know, that's constructive criticism. Then we even get on the phone and chop it up about that criticism. But you behind the scenes on one way, right with me, you know, asking for help with discussing things, but then you get on your platform and act like your enemies, act like we the worst enemies. And then you, and now you take it somewhere where you can't come back from. Yeah. Yeah. That bridge is burnt. You know, run with that ready. You know what I'm saying? You know what? It's burnt. It's interesting with the parallels with Trump. I was talking to this guy who's a, he was like a CIA or FBI hostage negotiator. His name is Chris Voss. You've probably seen him. He's doing like a masterclass, whatever. And he was talking about negotiation techniques and why he's, he's like a conservative dude, but he's very critical of Trump. He doesn't think Trump is a good negotiator. And that's like Trump's whole thing. And he goes, he's just a bully and eventually the bully tactic wears out. So he's like, Sorry. Say again. Of course. Oh yeah. I've said this analogy a million times. I'd rather be the son than the wind, right? Remember you ever heard that story about there was this guy, he was walking with a coat on. He had a big trench coat and he had a hat and the son in the wind was like, let's see who can get him to take his clothes off first. And you know, the wind started blowing all crazy. And like, so the guy grabbed his coat tighter and held his hat on tighter. The son was like, watch this. The son came out. He was warm. He was loving. He was radiant. That dude got neck in his head under the tree. I'd rather be the son. So he was saying what Trump had owned the real estate. I think it was by like Hudson Yards in New York for years. But couldn't get it built up. This is before Hudson Yards popped up. You guys know Hudson Yards over on the west side. And he couldn't get anybody develop it because all the people he'd already burned the bridges with. They're like, we did a building with you and it fucking was the worst. So I don't want to work with you again. Eventually he had to sell it. And then within a few years, it becomes the Hudson Yards development that is right now in New York. These buildings are crazy, blah, blah. Point is, you eventually run out of people to fuck over. You keep on fucking over somewhere. You keep on fucking over. You keep on fucking over. And you run out of people to fuck over. And it's just the audacity, right? Like, if you're one way with me behind the scenes, but then you get on camera in front for the people that's, you know, watching you, I'm watching this like, I can't do business with this. I don't fuck with you. What was the reason? I don't even respect you because here's the thing, this is what I love about life, right? We live in this era where people got platforms where people can do YouTube videos. They can do their podcasts. Here's the thing. I know you're lying. Your audience don't know. So you're entertaining them. But I'm watching you knowing that you're lying. I don't care if everybody else knows. I know. So now you try to come back and deal with me and text me, good morning. I'm not responding to you. Don't please people that you ain't never met before. Versus the people that you know you're going to see at dinner one day. Am I going to kick it? Sometimes we... Are you dumb, stupid or slow? Are you dumb, stupid or slow? We don't got nothing else to talk about. I wish you the best. I don't, I don't, I don't, you know, much success to you even if you wish me the opposite. The sooner or later you know what it is? Not seeing Jones. You know what I mean? And listen, I'm the type person, you know, this is the first time I've even like spoke about this since those rants last fall. But I didn't speak with words. I spoke with actions because that's another thing. Like you can say whatever about me. I know what my hand is. You know what I mean? Exactly. You can say whatever about me. I know what I'm doing. It's like, oh, shawarma, he don't own nothing. Blah, blah, blah. Okay. I don't own mad stuff prior to all of that. But Black Effect Podcast Network, you can go to blackaffect.com. Black Privilege Publishing, Tameka Mallory, State of Emergency. It's out right now. SbH with my man Kevin Hart at Audible. We've got answers available on Audible right now. I'm working, bro. Like I don't have time for the back and forth because there is no back and forth. Exactly. I gave a critique. I gave a critique, which I think now people can say if I don't doubt, a shadow of a doubt was true. Yeah. You know what I mean? Without a shadow of a doubt, I think we can say that this critique is true because if you constantly end up in the same situations, clearly, you don't know business like you think you know business. And that's fine. It's never too late to learn. God bless you. Wish you the best. Yeah. But as far as me, like, you know, when people ask, you know, why I don't speak on certain things, I don't want to. Me, me, me. I don't need to. Me and that brother did not sit down and come to an agreement that we wouldn't speak against each other. There's no threat he can make against me that scares me. I just don't feel the need to do this. Right. You know what I'm saying? I just don't. It's just, that's it. Moral of the story is stop being emotional. Okay. Stop being emotional. For real. Because a lot of the things we're talking about. I really love that a Latin woman just said that. I think that we need to we need to create an NFT off of that right now. Stop being emotional by a New York. Wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait. A New York Latin woman. When all y'all do New York Latin women are the most passionate, passionate, emotional people there are. But that's why I could talk about this because I am super passionate. But I know when there's a time in a place. If I'm handling business, I'm not going to go off of my emotions. Because that's not doing good business. That's just doing what you feel in the moment. You know, you're not thinking about the end goal. Like when you get a text like don't come for a week. Can you explain and then you emphasize the text? Yeah. Or you fire somebody on Twitter. Yeah. That's emotion. Yeah. And you know what I think Ivy's right. Also, I don't do performative things. Yeah. When I talk to, I really value our audience. I value our listeners. Brilliant idiots. Wherever we're at, I'm not just putting things out there to do it. You know what I mean? The times I was doing that, the times I was being a caricature, the times I was performing, all I did was bump my head and fuck my own shit up. So my own progress up. So I rather just pull up and give it to y'all, you know, real deal Holyfield every single mother fucking time. You know what I mean? And that's it. Nothing more, nothing less. So there's a lot of performing that goes on. Performing is when you sit next to somebody and you know things aren't right. You know, professionally or personally, but you cosign a lot of the bullshit. You know what I mean? Like I said, it's just like focusing the Trump administration. It's kind of hard to stand on a moral high ground now. Yeah. After you watch this person do shitty things. Yeah. There's so many different people over the years and to think you wasn't going to be on the menu at some point. Of course. Come on, man. I'll say it a million times. If you want to see how somebody's eventually going to treat you, watch how they treat other people because eventually it's going to be your turn. You know, it's a lot of things I just don't respect. I don't respect that and I just don't respect, you know, the behind the scenes acting like it's all good but then in front of the camera it's, let me paint this picture of Charlemagne. Exactly. I don't like that. So, God bless them and God bless everybody over there. I truly still wish them the best, my brother. I don't wish, I really don't wish that on anybody. I don't sit back and I'm like, oh yeah, I'm happy to see this is happening. Nah, it's just like, damn. We don't want you to fall. We want you to learn. Bro, look at my knees. What the fuck? That's it. Spends time with Charlemagne. That's it. I don't want you to fall. I want you to learn. That's it. It's just, it's hard when these people are so old. We're in our 40s. It's never too late. Shotes don't give a fuck. Shotes is like, burn, baby, burn. Shotes is like, wait a minute. Oh, oh, fall down. You got to love Andrew for that. Nah, I mean, like I just don't care. Like I, I don't care either way. I don't care up, down, like I just don't, it doesn't matter. But once I, once I remove you, like once I remove you and I remove your well-being from like my mind, then it doesn't matter to me. Yeah, I guess, I guess, you know what, I feel the same way. I guess the only, the only reason that even made me comment the way that I commented now, just cause I see people on the online seem to care. By the way, I love Reddit, bro. Weezy put me on the reddit. Reddit is fire, bro. Reddit is fire. I fucking, I think Reddit is amazing. Yeah. If you like Twitter, you're going to love Reddit. Oh my God. I, I'm not one of those people that let social media dictate my moves. Reddit? You know what I mean? So it's like, and I don't let social media think for me like a lot of people do. Yeah. Reddit is a very, very entertaining place. And they are very invested in things that we're doing in this podcast space, which I think is great. Oh yeah. Shout out to the, to the brilliant idiot subreddit. Yo. Shout out to the brilliant idiot subreddit. Right. We got to do a reddit AMA. I don't know what that is. Oh, I did one of those before back in the day. We did it together, motherfucker. In the day. We did? Yeah. I don't even remember. Hold on. I got to see how much money I'm losing in Coinbase Oh Jesus fucking Christ. Our shit is trash. I went, I went to brilliant idiot subreddit and I didn't get no enjoyment out of it. It was like, man, ain't nobody over here. You know, you know how you go to a club and nobody's in the club? I'm like, shit. I didn't enjoy it. All right. Well, I tried to shout y'all out, man. I did my best brilliant idiots. Ready? I'm with y'all. Fuck with us. Fuck with us. I mean, I don't know how to, I don't know. We know we got. Teach him. You know what it is? You can't, you can't have a poppin subreddit. You know, if your aura is too beautiful, you know what I mean? It's nothing to talk about. It's on this morning. You know what I'm saying? It's on this morning. I woke up, bro. And my, my aura, my aura was off, bro. Talk to me. I don't know, man. Like I, I woke up, I wipes, I wiped some cold out my eye. That happens. I had to see who, you know, who's this page of me and why. And then I, I called you. You should have meditated. I should have. Yeah. That's what I do. I meditate. I do my breathing exercises. You know what I'm saying? Well, the first thing in the morning I do is I pray, I meditate because my, my anxiety has been bad the past couple of days. I don't know why it's just been like, how long do you meditate? Um, I don't do it long. I have a, I have a chant, right? So I have these beads and the beads. I think it's like 150 beads. So I do, they can't go in. No, I have my own personal, my Charlemagne. Okay. Yeah. I'm about to sign you to the white effect network. I swear to God. Beads and stones and all this other stuff. I think it's something to do with the moon though, because it's like a lot of people I know that got anxieties like, like flaring. All right. I'm taking a pee. I'll be back. Hold on. Hello? Are we recording? Hold on. Are we recording? Yeah. Listen, I got one more thing to say before we move on from this situation because I promise you, I'm not talking about this shit no more. Okay. Ever. But since we are on the subject, I do just want to say, Get it off your chest. You wrote it down? No, I didn't write it down. What Ivy said was very true. We don't want you to fall. We want you to learn. You know, when bridges get burnt with me, it's just when people, you know, go out of their way to, you know, assassinate my character. But also, when it's just lies being told, there was, there's no smear campaign. I want, this is what I want you to learn. I want you to, be self accountable. Right? Stop. Don't blame people for shit that you got yourself in through. Got yourself in through. You know what I mean? That was just a deflection tactic to say it was a smear campaign. How do, how did I start that? That's when I knew, I don't fuck with this dude. You can't even pronounce smear. Man, shut up man. Shut up. But I'm just saying that's, that's yet another reason why it's like, God bless you. I wish you the best. But you know, that bridge over here, is burnt. Like come on, you knew, you know, that was not the case. But in order to deflect from whatever bullshit you had going on in your life, you wanted to throw that shit over here and have people looking at me nuts like I don't have things to do. You know what I mean? But don't ask me no more about that shit ever again. I don't want to talk about it. I got too many, I got too many companies to run and too many of my friends to love, love and empower and respect and employ. Okay. Now let's pay some bills. God bless. And we're moving on. The world today is nuts. I think you all understand that based off our last conversation and just when it seems like things are getting better we'll hit with even more reasons to be anxious and uncomfortable. And that's why our friends at Cushy Dreams can help. 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Ticket prices, fucking thousands of dollars and shit. No. 10 a.m. Friday. Get the ticket up. Get the tickets for your city. For other cities. Go do that. It's this Friday, 10 a.m. Also big news. I'm switching the special taping. The special taping is no longer going to be in L.A. We are still going to do those shows there. But I can't do the special there because we don't know what the fuck is going to happen in L.A. Okay? They might make you wear masks. What special taping? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What special taping? What? What? Oh, bro. The special taping that was from before the pandemic. I had a special before the pandemic. Same network? Same network? Well, same platform? I can't say who. I can't say who, you know? I mean, don't say who, but I know the platform. I knew what the platform was. So was it the same platform? Yes. Yes. Whoa. All right, big, big shots. So damn. We still, so we were going to do it in L.A. You know, we saw that four shows at the Orphan. I'm coming. What is it? But now we switched it to Austin in September. So that's as part of the infamous dates. You come out just real quick. We're doing Dallas, Houston, Tucson, Los Angeles, Oklahoma City, Detroit, Milwaukee, San Diego, Austin, that'll be the special taping, Louisville, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Indianapolis, Washington, DC, Madison, Chicago, Minneapolis, Fargo, which I specifically want to go out there because why not? And then New Year's Eve, we're going to go Boston now around out the year. I'm telling you, the special will be in Austin now. The tickets that everybody had for those L.A. shows are still, if you bought tickets from before the pandemic, we are still honoring those. And since we're not filming there, we're releasing more tickets because we don't have to kill any seats for cameras, et cetera. So those will also be available Friday. Go get them shits and go get them now, man. I'm very excited about this tour. It's going to be wild. It's going to be big. Everybody's ready to go back out. The energy is, I don't know, the energy, I can feel the energy, man. It's been different. It's been different. Shows and this shows there are show.com Andrew shows.com the the Andrew Show.com some other fucker. Don't forget the the I go. The Andrew shows.com. Don't forget. Yeah. T H.E. T H.E. Andrew Show.com. Go get them shirts. Boston on New Year's Eve is the whitest shit. That's like that's like white people's Miami. Yeah. For Boston on New Year's Eve. New Year's Eve. Bros. Boston is nice. I don't know where he is, Eve. Yo, Boston. Where should he go? That's my favorite. That's my favorite. That's the city where all my favorite comics are from, Boston, man. I think the funniest people come from there. OK, OK. Wax, you got some church announcements? Yeah, I'm over in Cookie San Diego. I'm in 36 Suspense Reson L.A. I get to fly over there. My lemonade is going off. It's like getting a lot of orders. I appreciate y'all. What else do I have? I got the paintball fighting, man. I want you all to really come out to that. I'm doing podcast wars. And I want everybody to come and participate. We've got Bullying the Beast on Mondays and Wednesdays. So, yeah, make sure you all watch that. This week's was a very interesting episode that we learned a lot about with Wax. Oh, we're going to get to that in a second. Ivy, you got any church announcements? I'm alive, and I'm blessed, and I'm tanned. And your aura is beautiful. And my aura is beautiful. All our auras are beautiful, man. My church announcements are the same every week. BlackEffect.com, log on there, and get all the various podcasts that are under the Black Effect. Make sure you go to Audible and download We've Got Answers, which is an audio book I put out about a month ago. It's free with an Audible membership. And Tamika Mallory, state of emergency, how to win in the country we built. Man, when I tell you that the response to the book has been overwhelming. And just seeing everybody post the book online and seeing the reviews on the book, man, Tamika Mallory deserves it all. I got to post my book. 100%. For what? I'm like, I don't can't post my book? No, I don't like influences that don't read. No. I'm doing the Audible shit. What? I'm doing the Audible shit. Put it on YouTube and damn, I ain't saying no. No, don't put it on YouTube. What are you talking about? I'm not to do this shit. Wax got to start posting. Nah, dude, this is a great idea. Wax, you got to start posting like you reading books. Like remember LeBron when he would just read the first page of every book? Oh my god. Start with the cat mad. Well, speaking of Wax's reading, he has a segment on billion beats called Wax's ABCs where he learns new words and tries to pronounce them. And I'm doing very well. Wax found out this week that he's a little bit gay like we all are so. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Just a tad, just a tad. Well, like I said, if that's the definition of it, yes, I'd be gay if that's the definition of it. But that's not the definition of it. You say a little bit gay. Please let me get that bite. But listen, that's not the definition of gay though. What you mean? A man jerking off is not, don't mean to jay. No, no, no, it's simple. It's simple. Let me ask you a question, Alex and Andrew, since y'all sitting over there. Has a man ever made you nut? Think about it. Yes. I've made me nut. Boom. Alex. So they both get you. Little Latin X. Has a man ever made you nut? By Andrew's definition, yes. Yes. My hand may be nut, not gay. No, man. I'm going to go so far. I'm going to go so far to say is the majority of the times that I've come in my life have been at the hand of a man. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Ideal. I'm second. I'm second behind my wife. You think you're, yeah, but you've been with your wife since you're like 17 years old. Andrew, do you look in the mirror when you masturbate? No. That would be it again. No. That's a little weird. That's a little weird. If you look in the mirror while you masturbate and you have like a real intense orgasm. Look stupid as hell. Hey. But that's our whole point. A man has made you masturbate. Can we talk about this, though? This is interesting. Charlemagne has a tattoo of a man on his jerk off form. What? When he shows me the man, he sees the man. He's not a man. It's a mutant. It's a mutant. It's a mutant. This is Wolverine. Listen, I got a Bible scripture on my shit. All right. So, Jesus jerks you out. Alex got Martin Luther King Jr. for his jerk off form. Hold on. Time out. Time out. Guess what waxes Bible scripture is? What is it? Palm. It's a pome. What is it? It's a pome. Oh, pome. Never mind. Listen, baby. We shoot him. We tried. He didn't have nab in the church. Listen, we tried. He said pome. Wait, we all look confused. He said pome. I'm going to say pome Sunday. The book of pome. Yo, did you guys hear what Alex has on his jerk off form? What? Martin Luther King Jr.? Really? Oh, my God. Why? Is she a cousin? Alex had some cream. Would you wait? I had a cream. I had a cream. Alex, you really do? Yeah. Why? Oh, shit. He said why? Yo, I'm reading a fantastic book that you would like called The Sword in the Shield. And it's by Pneel Joseph. A pernil. A pernil, a pernil. Dr. Pneel Joseph, I believe. It's about Martin and Malcolm. I've never read a book that humanized them in this way, bro. Oh, really? Man, it is, yo, listen, it is not, it is fantastic. Charlotte. Charlotte. Charlotte. Yes. Save your breath. What? Okay. He just got that tattoo because he got a white girlfriend. Don't. Don't listen. You still have a white girlfriend? No, I don't. No, I don't. Well, you can't deny it. Well, one thing you're going to learn in sword in the shield. No, you got to get on slippers. Hey, but one thing you're going to learn in sword in the shield. Dr. Umar. Dr. Martin Lovikin wasn't opposed to white women. Let's go. New podcast coming to the White Effect Network. By the way, y'all would have absolutely, by this generation's definitions, y'all would have absolutely canceled Martin Lovikin Jr. Y'all would have canceled him. What? Y'all would have called him a womanizer. Y'all would have called him misogynistic. Y'all would have called him sexist. He was, he didn't, I mean, but he was young though. That's the thing. I'm sure he would have grown and would evolve, but he didn't believe in women being in a leadership positions. You know what I mean? Like, you know. Which positions did he believe them? Oh, shut up. You know, Ella Baker had a lot of, you know, a lot of things to say. It's a good read. You should, you should check it out. That's all I'm saying, Alex. Let me see the tattoo. You really have wonderful King Jr.? His face or his name? His face. His full face. He looking at his full face while he's jerking off. Does he look like him? Yeah, yeah. It's a scene, bro. Put it to the camera. On the other hand, do you have a someone that's spinning? Let me see, bro. Damn. Bro, that's Meek Mill. Oh my God. Oh my God. That's Meek, bro. Man, you better say that's your baby picture. Say that's your baby picture. If anybody say anything, that's my baby picture. That's my baby picture. That's my uncle. That's my kid. That's my son. Boy, you and Weezy really trying to sell his black on studio shit. You should definitely come here. Jesus Christ. Listen, did you see the flag Rogan caught, Schultz? Yeah. Tell me what you thought about that. As a straight white male, well, you're not all the way straight. You're a little crooked. Yeah. Yes. Yes. As a straight but slightly crooked male, what did you think of the statement? What is, wait, how am I not all the way straight? I'm about to get married. Because a man made you come. Say what? A man made you nut before. You don't know how I identify? Yo. I don't know how you're not identified. You don't know how I identify? My right hand identifies as a woman's hand. I hate you. You only put pedicures over there. You crazy guy. Exactly. So this is a woman's hand right here, bro. This hand is woman. The rest of my body's man, but that hand is woman, bro. That's a woman's touch. Okay. When I'm grabbing my shit, that's a woman's touch. What did you think? What the fuck? What did you think of what he said? It's true. Everything, listen, woman's touch. Wait, what did you say? What did you think of what Rogan said? Well, what are we saying exactly? So he was saying that straight white males can't have an opinion these days? Yeah, I'll read it. I mean, it was a long transcript because it's from the podcast, but I'll read the headline. Joe Rogan warns, woke mob will make it so straight white men won't be allowed to talk or go outside. Don't get it. Yeah. I mean, I think it's, he's being hyperbolic, right? He's taken that out of context and like, clearly Joe is proof that straight white males can have an opinion, but he's not talking about himself, obviously, right? In order for him to be able to say whatever he wanted, he's gone through immense amount of flak. Like, you don't get close to the amount of flak for having like very polarizing figures on the breakfast club that Joe gets for having like political pundits on Joe Rogan, right? So it's like, of course, what he's trying to say is that there is a heightened stakes that has to do with it. But I think that there's, look, it's like, how do we say it? Like, can Joe say whatever he wants? Absolutely. He's made a career saying whatever he wants. Is he paying the price for say yes, and that is the cost that you have to pay for these things. And I think that he would agree with that. I think he's more referring to people who work for like corporations and they might have a conservative opinion, but be worried if they say that at their job that they might get fired. They might not get a raise. They might not do these things. And I think that's more what he was saying for. It's not specifically Joe. Like, I think Joe's a pretty self-aware guy. Maybe I'm more defensive of him, you know, because he's done a lot for me just because of the offenses of you because you've done a lot for me. So it's hard for me to see you guys and like see you guys do wrong. But I think that's what he's speaking on. I'm mad. I don't know. Does that make sense? What did you think? It makes perfect sense what you said. And I agree with you. I'm mad at Joe for one thing. I'm mad that he said straight white men because the woke mob eventually comes for everyone. And I think that it was a larger conversation to be had, but we can't get to the conversation. It's proven Joe's point again, because Joe said straight white men. So everybody's stuck on that point. The truth to the matter is free speech is not free and it never has been. There has always been a cost to the things that come out of your mouth. Now, are we paying too high of a price for things that we may be seeing now, that we didn't pay 10 years ago? Sure. To your point. Because these corporations, they get upset. They want to back away. People get on social media. They raise hell. So you might lose speaking engagements, whatever it is. You lose all types of things. But eventually, wokeness comes for everyone. It cannibalizes everybody. I saw Don Lemon talking about it today. And he said that, hey, Joe Rogan, nobody's stopping straight white men from talking. Nobody's stopping any of us from talking. What Joe was saying is the backlash. That's what people don't want. So eventually, people will get scared and not want to say anything. They are. They already are. Yes. And not just in entertainment, right? Comedians, radio personalities, podcasters. We can't even talk, bro. Like me and you, we can't even have an honest conversation without thinking we're going to step on a landmine and piss people to fuck off. That's a great point. And I think that's, that's a great way of looking at it. If he didn't say straight white males, so many more people, people of color, minorities would come out and be like, yo, that's true. Like sometimes I feel like I can't even say anything because I'm going to piss off my woke brothers. I mean, how many friends do we have that are like adjacent to the super woke community? And they're like, bro, I can't even have these conversations with them because then I'm going to be ostracized. Yo, I hit up, I hit up, I hit up Don Lemon, you know what I mean? Because whenever it's about, whenever I see media personalities, I'm like, yo, you do understand you're a media personality. You give your opinion for a living, right? So I hit up Don and I was like, Don, you're right. Nobody is silencing straight white men. Nobody is silencing any of us. You just have to be able to deal with the backlash. And I'm like, yo, you're, Don Lemon is an openly gay black man. How many times has he, how many times has the woke mob come for him? Hold on. Wait, Don Lemon is black? The greatest, bro. Don't ever get it fucked up, right? I knew it was coming. I can hear it in his voice. Oh my God. But no, how many times they come for Don Lemon? Just because he had a difference of opinion, or because he had an unpopular opinion, or who gives a fuck? It was just his opinion. So it doesn't matter whether you're a straight white male, a black gay man, a transgender, whatever, Jewish, Asian, eventually they will come for you. You will say something online that somebody will not agree with. And here's the thing, right? You should not get in front of a microphone. You should not get in front of a camera and express your opinion if you're afraid of people disagreeing with you. I have no problem with the disagreement, right? The problem I have is that whole, let's get this person in the fuck out of here just because you don't agree with something that they said. To me, that's weak. That's weak to me. Let's have the debate. Why do you think we watch ESPN first take? Because we like to debate. Why do you think that we watch CNN and MSNBC when it's the talking heads and the panels, or Bill Ma, because we like to debate? Why can't we all just exchange ideas as long as the ideas aren't dangerous, as long as the ideas aren't hurting nobody, as long as the ideas aren't calling for nobody to get killed? You know what I mean? Why can't we have conversation? That's all. That's it. I agree. That was my only thing. I think that's a great take. I think that's a really, really great take because maybe what he didn't realize in the moment is that far more people and groups could relate to the opinion that he was having on it. Yes. Yes. Wokeness is coming for us all. I promise you, everybody gets a turn. The only people who don't get a turn are the ones that are lying to everybody. And they're playing it so safe and literally just saying whatever the crowd wants them to say. But even those people, with their safe opinions, it's going to be somebody that disagrees with you. I say this to them on the Breakfast Club all the time. I tell N.V. this all the time because N.V. gets very frustrated, but one of my mentors, my man, Cadillac Jack, Cadillac Jack always talked about the law of 10. Three people going like it, three people not going like it, four people just going to be on the fence about it, or four people not even going to give a fuck. So on social media, it is literally the epitome of everybody has an audience, and everything has an audience. So it's just like, you got to... It comes with the territory, man. That was my only pushback on Rogan. Don't say straight white male because now you make a conversation that should be macro-micro. Because we're not even focusing on what you said anymore. We're focusing on the fact that you, as a straight white man, and straight white men being the most privileged in this country historically, can always say what the fuck they want to say. That doesn't mean that they're exempt from the consequences. You know what's interesting? You know what's interesting? I'm sure this happened in history before, but there's a unified reaction to wokeness that everybody experienced within their communities. If you speak to somebody in the black community, the Asian community, the Indian community, or whatever, there is a set of opinions that the community agrees upon. They're like, hey, this is the best for empowerment for us. And I would imagine that if you disagreed with any of those opinions, right, the community might be like, yo, what are you doing? Like, why aren't you riding for us? And they might not try to cancel you, but they might be like, yo, you're not doing the right thing for our group. I imagine that exists. Is that right or 100%? Okay, so like in a weird way, everybody's experienced cancellation. They've just experienced it from within their own group. This person isn't Spanish enough. This person is an Asian. This person isn't black enough. This person is whatever. Absolutely. And now we're all unified in these feelings, right? Instead of it happening within your own community, it's like there's group thought to it. Oh, this person wasn't woken up for Hollywood, for news, for entertainment, et cetera. It's weirdly becoming the most relatable thing. Bro, everybody gets a turn. Yeah. If you tweet, if you on Instagram live, if you got a radio show, if you got a podcast, if you do stand up, if you create art for a living, eventually you're going to say something that is going to cause the woke bob to jump on your ass. Everybody gets a turn. That's all I can tell you. I just hope that we get to the point where, you know, everybody starts taking some naps and we start getting some sleep because all this woke shit is keeping us up too long and we're not thinking straight, we're tired, and we're not able to have real conversations, real dialogue. But you notice that a lot of the commentary comes from people who don't even have a lot of, like, research behind their back. Very true. They even say anything. There's a bunch of troolers, of course. Yeah. Like, it's inevitable to a point where it's like, I don't give a fuck what I say because I don't care what the fuck you say. Absolutely. Sweetheart. Who said that to you? That sounded personal. That's a new wifey. It was nobody in particular. I just, I have flashbacks. I have PTSD from my time here at Burlian Idiots. Oh, yeah. Every time Ivy comes to Burlian Idiots, they want to cancel Ivy. Oh, my God. What's the worst thing they said to you, Ivy? I'm not claiming my blackness. You black? That you're white? Everybody's black. That is true. That is true. That is true. I didn't know that. Wait, what they say? What they say? Hold on. Because they always try to say, I'm not black. Yeah. Haters? The haters, though. Oh, my God. I'm going to be honest with you. I can't think of one woman that's been on Burlian Idiots that, well, Jazz. Jazz is the only woman I think that's been on Burlian Idiots that people actually like. Well, bless her. God bless. Can you think of another one? I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think. I think they intentionally don't want to like you. They don't like you, girls. This is a boys' podcast. That's right. Yeah. But that particular episode was the one that really set the tone for me to be like, all right, you got to be unfazed. It was crazy. What was the one comment that you remember? What I just said. I mean, it was just a lot of the same conversation and people telling me what I am in my history. That bothers you a lot. It does bother me because if I'm having an honest conversation about my lack of family history or whatever, I don't fucking know you from a hole in the wall for you to tell me anything about myself. Exactly. That's the whole point. You don't know them. So why are you getting upset? I know you're not talking. It's just why I'm talking. What do I get upset about? Tell us. Tell us. What do I ever get upset? Tell us, people. It just goes back to my point about what we're talking about. Like, there's a lot of people who are talking that don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Hold on. What are you, Ivy? Because, listen, Ivy, I didn't know Ivy and 6ix9ine grew up together. Oh, my God. No. That's a rumor. You shut that to me. That's a rumor. I did not say that to you. You said you went to the deli and you never went to the same high school. But you know I'm Brooklyn, all right? Oh, my God. What I said was he worked at a deli that was very near to my high school. We probably crossed paths, but I never knew him by name. He didn't know me by name. Did he give you free? There's a real Latin community in this area. What area are Brooklyn in there? Bushwick. Bushwick. Okay. Bushwick. So what happened at the deli? I'm not Mexican. I'm Puerto Rican. I'm Puerto Rican. I'm second generation. My parents were born and raised in Bed-Stuy. And that's as much as I know. Got you. That's as much as I know. With a black side. They there. They everywhere. What you mean, huh? I'm retarded with this type of stuff. I don't know who's who. I just find that Russian is not Polish. What? What? That's a random ass. What? I don't even know if that's true. White people? Is Russian Polish? No. Poland is its own country. Russia is its own country. They have separate countries. I knew that. Okay. Let's get into some shit you won't care about next week. I don't know if this is shit you won't care about next week or the deep dive. Oh man, rest in peace to Paul Mooney, bro. Oh man, rest in peace to the great Paul Mooney. One of the best comics to ever do it. R.I.P. We sitting on a breakfast club interview from 2011 with Paul Mooney that we never put out. Wild boy. I don't know why we didn't put out. I'm trying to, I'm actually, I just got it in my email. Wild boy. I gotta watch it. I love Paul Mooney. I've been to Paul Mooney's shows and seen him make people walk out. So I need to watch that interview and see why didn't we put this out in 2011? I don't know. But rest in peace to him. All right. Let's take a break for a second. Okay. To talk about Squarespace. Domains, websites, online stores, marketing tools. 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And when you're ready to launch, use the offer code idiot to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain that's squarespace.com slash idiot with offer code idiot for 10% off your first purchase. Let's get back to the show. What else we got? Ellen's out. How you feel about that, Schultz? I just didn't like her whole reasoning. What was the reasoning? I forgot. She's like, it's not a challenge anymore. Yeah. I believe that. I believe that, bro. It is a challenge. The show is tanking. Huh? It is a challenge. The show is tanking. Yeah, but she been off for 19 years. I did believe that one. And what's crazy is that the only fucked up thing about that situation, if she signed the contract and she knew her contract was up in three years and she knew she wanted to walk away, now she don't get to walk away on her terms. You know what I'm saying? She don't get to walk away like Jordan with the jazz. She's walking away like Jordan with the wizards. You know what I mean? Because everybody thinks this shit is a turmoil because of all that stuff that happened last year. So she don't get to walk away on her own terms. That's about it. That's the only thing I did. I thought they fired her ass because they didn't want to pay her all that money for a show that wasn't getting any ratings. I mean, yo, 19 years, she won already. No, she won. But I thought she didn't really resign. I thought the network was like, yo, it's time. We can't pay you all these millions when nobody's watching your show. So we could fire you or you could fire you. And she lost some ad revenue too. So it's possible. It's possible. Like you said, she came out. What else? What else we got? Yes. Salute to South Carolina State University. They gave me an honorary doctorate. Oh, shit. This is huge. So you're a doctor. So like, are you a legit doctor now? How does it work? I'm not a legit doctor. But I did get an honorary doctorate. I didn't refer to me as Dr. Lennard McKelvie. But I would never disrespect the people that are really out there putting in that work to be real doctors. But you have a doctorate because you made the commencement speech, right? Yeah. Well, I mean, also because of like my philanthropy in South Carolina and, you know, things like that. And because of what I've done. So what are you a doctor at? So your actions helped you skip the line to got it. There you go. But what are you a doctor at? You're a doctor of what? A dentist or anything like that? That's a dentist. It's an honorary doctorate. They honor you for your accomplishments, your accomplishments, your philanthropy. What specifically? So you've done a lot. You've done a lot. You're a doctor, a radio. I mean, I sat there and I listened to President Clark run down about six minutes to accolades. And I was like, who the fuck is he talking about? They wrote it up good. It was really good. As I was saying, clearly I've done a lot. But yeah, he ran down a lot of different accolades and ran down a lot of philanthropy. He left a few things out. But you can't get everything. But I put on for my people. That's all. But listen, all of the things. That's so cool. I think you should make people call you doctor. Like you're crazy. You don't make people call you doctor. You think so? Yes, dude. I'm going to talk to you doctor, doctor of the God. And now he can do heart surgery better than you now. He said, doctor God. I'm dead. Doctor God. Your yoga pants is wild, son. That's my diagnosis. Why are you looking at my stuff? I'm chilling. Those are not yoga pants. What it is? They have no stretch. You sure? These are cactus. These cargos. These cargos like no stretch. That cargo van need to be bigger, bro. You can't fit much in that cargo van except for a bed. They do look small. I go shopping by myself. My girl is not with me right now. She doesn't come with me. You don't know your size? I don't look at my sizes. He said you need to grow up. Eat my drawers and stuff like that. It looks like he took his pants out of the dryer and was like, damn. Listen. I'm telling you. He's a homeless person. He's good for that. He's good to take some shit right out the wash. Listen, one day it's me and my dad in the car, right? Wax gets in. My dad goes. He's working out. He's a boy. He's a boy. You been working out? Why you smelling like that, boy? He took his pants right out the wash. They weren't even dry. They put them on. You know what happened? I left out. I was going somewhere. When I came back, I just forgot to put the dryer on. So I just threw my stuff out of the dryer. You were smelling like bombao. How the hell? You just put it in? You were smelling like bombao. That's terrible. What is bombao? Bombao. It's like mildew. Yeah, it was wild. Like when you forget your dryer clothes. Yeah. Yeah. Lemonsaw cleans that, right? What? Shut the fuck up. It cleans thought off. What is thought off? Vagina. Oh, shit. Vagina. So all you did was wash your shit stains out and then you didn't. And I put it into the dryer. So you put on wet clothes is what you're saying? No, I just put it in the dryer and I just left the house. He was lying. He was him. You put on damp clothes? And when the side, I don't know how to wash clothes. This is okay. So you didn't put no soap in the washer either. You just put water. You nasty. Then pants is tight. I'm one of the guys who really need a wife. I need a girl. Nah. We're not made to do that. You're one of the guys that really need to learn. Like, come on. We don't want you to fall. That's right. We don't want you to fall. That's right. We don't want you to fall. Let's do some asking idiots, man. And get up out of here. That's right. We don't want you to fall. We want you to learn. You didn't want to talk about the... Taylor, if you don't start the ask idiots. Excuse me. Shorts. Yeah, shorts. Relax. I'm trying to make y'all show y'all get all the content. Because people was asking. And they only care about the first part. Okay. They're gonna write that. They only care about the first hour. I think we'll be fine this week. All right. So... Fuck. I didn't pick these, by the way. But... Fuck you, care for it. Fuck you, care for it. Who is your funniest comedian friend? Non-comedian. Non-comedian friend. Who's my fun... Man, I got so many of those. I mean, Wax is one of them. Oh, you're Wax. My cousin, Kentay, is hilarious. I think DJ Envy is hilarious, just existing. Envy just makes me laugh all the time. He's hilarious. I got a bunch of those. I don't know what I mean. I like fun people. I like people that like to laugh. So it's just like everybody... I mean, I got a lot of... Ashley, AJ, you know what I mean? From We Talk Back podcast. Like, she funny as fuck. I got a lot of those. I don't know. Who's your funniest non-comedian friend? Shit. I don't know. I have a bunch of funny friends. Wax is pretty goddamn funny. Without even trying. Look at his pants. There you go. Wax, you should be saying that. I put my own clothes. I don't know what you want me to do. Did he match you? Did he match you? All right, but you know what? At least his ankle got out. Yes, they are. I mean, he got sock to cover it. I don't know the fuck I'm doing. You got Tim's on an 85-degree weather. Listen, you know what's crazy? I refuse to go in the dressing room because I think it's for ladies. So I just put it next to me and I leave out. He said... Wax, what the fuck? Like, you... I'ma go inside the fucking dressing room and try some shit on. I think Wax does that to look less suspicious. You know what I mean? Because if you see a big dude like that with them tight-ass pants, you don't think he's up to nothing. Hey, leave me alone. I mean, you might flirt with him, but that's about it. Leave me alone. It's not that tight. I've been doing a lot of deadlifts. Give us another one, Taylor. Okay. The truth. Esroto Gonzalez wants to know if Andrew and Charlemagne switch bodies and the only way to switch back is by having sex with each other, how long would you two live as each other before changing back? Get the loom, show. Let's do it. We got nothing. How long, though? I got to get back to my life. Run it back immediately. Just don't tell nobody what I look like naked. Let's figure this out. No, but I will say this. I'm definitely dropping some M-bombs while we fucking. That's the fastest tip. Yo. Yeah. Yeah. Take that dick. Take that dick. You like that white boy? You like that white boy? Yeah. That's hilarious. Oh, that is so stupid. You got to get back to life, man. That'd just be us. That'd be our secret. By the way, nobody would believe that. My little secret. By the way, nobody would believe that. No. Yo. Can you imagine if somebody walked in on us? And that's how we explained it. Nah, bro. You don't understand. I'm going to switch back. No. That would be fun. That's a funny short film, bro. That is a funny fucking short film. Somebody switches our bodies. And the only way to get back in our bodies, we got to fuck each other. And Alex and Wax walking on us. And we're trying to explain why we're fucking. No, no. Wait, who will be the top? Who will be the bottom? That's a real question. No, but what do you think what me and Alex are going to do? Rich after that. Shit. Y'all should help. Help us fucking. Hey, bullshit. Oh, my God. Don't you want your friend back? You got to grab his ass and push. Don't you want to get... Not push. Not push. You got to stay in person in the day. No way. Oh, man. Give us another one, Taylor Gay. Well, y'all didn't answer the question. Who's going to be the top or the bottom with it? That wasn't part of that. That's not in there. That's not in there. Huh? Next question, yo. Yes, where are we fucking? Why you start to make me fucking? You got the answer you wanted, Taylor. I don't want to say who's going to be the power top. We already said we're fucking. What does it matter? You're making this game for no reason, yo. And I'll tell you who's on top. Whoever got the smaller dick, that's who's on top. Where it is born. That's what you got to think about. That's how we're going to decide. Who got the smaller dick at the top? We virgin. We virgin out here. We virgin. You want me to bust it open? Oh my God. Imagine that conversation. J? How big is yours? I think it's next to each other. J? I just got right, dude. I just got right. What's his name? Oh, I got to ask Wex. For Wex. Yeah, explain. If you and Eden. What's? Eden, sir. If you and Eden switch bodies. Eden, I don't remember anything. Listen, the only way to get your body back. Oh my God. Wex, please, though. Listen, I'm going to have to be Wex in my life. I'll be Mexican for the rest of my life. No, you would. You're a goddamn body. No, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't. I'm going to have to be Wex in my life. I'll be fucking drinking Coronas. Okay, all right. What if, Eden, don't say nothing. Hang on, don't do that. By the way, if you go around your family saying, yo, I'm really Wex, they going to say, if you don't get the fuck out of here. You don't fuck you up. My family will fuck you up. No, they not, because they going to see his body. They just going to be like, what's wrong with Wex? No, they going to fuck him up. They see him coming in and trying to act like he Wex. My family going to fuck him up. But you're going to look, he's you. He's got your body, everything. Eden's personality is in your body. I think I'm going to be Wex. No. Eden's personality is in your body. Y'all switch bodies. So your consciousness is in Eden's body. Eden's body is in your consciousness. No. Your consciousness is in Eden's body. Eden's consciousness is in your body. There you go. All right, so he's going to be me. Yes. But black, and I'm going to be him in this way. He's going to be your body. He's going to look like you. Never mind. I'll write this. So he's going to be going to my family. Looking like you. You're on me though. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So if I go and I'd be acting like him. Oh, he cool. I'm chilling. No, you're going to have his body. You're going to be in his body. Stop saying different things. Okay. They not going to like this nigga. You're him. Okay. I'm him. Yes. Now you look like him, everything. You're him. Yes. So if I go to his family house, how am I going to look? Like him. And he looks like you. But you're going to act like him. But he act like, I act like him though. Yes. That shit will be so funny waxing Eddens body. Imagine him trying to fight. Thinking he still can fight. That shit will be hilarious. I don't have to build like you do. Okay. Let me ask Eddens. Eddens, you fucking to get your body back? I'm going to be wax for the rest of my life. He'll be happiest hell to be wax. Yeah. I wouldn't be waxed. Shit, I like it here. I'm chilling, you know? So you ain't fucking to get your body back? Cap. Yeah, I think that's beyond cap. No. Now give us another one. Alright, so J. Undiscerred Rogers. Undiscerred Fay wants to know if you could be a professional Anything outside of what you did now, what would it be? I want to do a fighter, I want to fly planes and like shoot people with them. What's that, Air Force? Air Force, fighter pilot. Yeah, fighter pilot. What about you, Shokes? Yeah, I mean, I would have loved to play basketball. That'd be amazing. I'm trying to think, but yeah, basketball maybe? I would be a psychiatrist. I was going to say, you should be like a history teacher or something. I'd be a psychiatrist. That's a lot of reader. What about you, Ivy? What would you be? If you could be a professional, let anything outside of what you do now, what would it be? Oh, shit. I didn't think that question was coming to me. Motherfucking hustler. What was that at? That's what I am now. That's right. But? That was a soup dog, right? Soup dog, right? Yup. I don't know. I don't know. What did you want to be before entertainment? You always wanted to be in entertainment. I always wanted to be in entertainment. Wow. I wanted to be J-Lo specifically. I didn't know what the fuck that meant at the time. What about Selena? Well, Selena's Mexican J-Lo's Puerto Rican. I don't know who's who. Well, I discovered J-Lo because of the movie Selena, so there you are. Interesting. What would you be, Taylor? I'm like Ivy, I wanted to be in entertainment, but if not, something creative, like I like drawing art and all that stuff, so. Drawing. Okay. All right, guys, I think we did it. Boy, you don't want to do that one last one? What's the last one? What is it? If you could travel back in time to slap one person in history, who would it be? Oh, fuck. Christopher Columbus. Come on with this. What Christopher Columbus is up to? What about? Come on with this question. Now we got to decide who we care about most. Like, you know what I'm saying? Who's the real sacrifice here? What would you ask this question? I guess. I don't want to slap nobody. My aura is beautiful, man. I'm all about peace. I'm all about peace and love. Let's pause the aura. What are we doing? Who is slapping? I don't want to slap nobody, bro. Oh, we got to slap the person. Yeah, nobody wants to slap. Yeah, I got him. Who you want to slap? Who you want to slap, so he'll do it for you. I already know who Wax wants to slap. I can't even, like, give it. He got a list. I know what I was saying. I already know, like one of them. Here she goes. Hunter. Hunter? Kevin Hunter, whatever his name is. Life's slapping him. It's a little wedgie. I don't care about that. I promise you, my aura is beautiful, bro. There's nobody I have any issues with as far as physical altercations. I don't even care. God bless them. Because one thing I've learned about life, there is nothing you can do that will hurt somebody more than someone with negative karma in regards to the universe. The universe will lay out a plan so beautiful and the universe will have a script so ready for that person. You know how they say things, man, I couldn't even script it. I couldn't a plan that if I tried. That's it. That's life. So I just sit back and I just watch. That's all. You want to slap Christopher Columbus, though. Why do you want to slap him? He sailed the sea and grabbed all the people, right? I think I got the right person. I don't know. Okay, man. Sounds good. What did he do? All right. You don't even know what he did. You want to slap him? I think we did. To be continued. We get it, though. We get it, we get it. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, next week we'll tell you what Christopher Columbus did for anybody who doesn't know. Here more on Bully and the Beast. This is all wax. Okay. As always, Ivy, any parting words? Do you want to give out to Twitter and Instagrams? Sure. You can follow me. Yeah, slander me. You can follow me on all social media platforms at The Ivy Rivera, T-H-E-I-V-Y-R-I-V-E-R-A. Stay tuned. That's right. And if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant, you're absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast, you think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit, you're right to. It's the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Thank you for listening. And as always, we recorded at WTF Media. The home of Alex Luther King. I like that first part. And Weezy F might be a black baby. Yeah. Okay. All right. Have a good day.