 This 10th year of Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners thanks to all of you including Tony Glass, Philip Less and Daniel Dorado. Coming up on DTNS, the AI search wars have begun, plus Apple dishes on its chip cadence and OnePlus comes with a tablet. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, February 7th, 2023 in Los Angeles, I'm Tom Merritt. From lovely Cleveland, Ohio, I'm Rich Trafalino. Deep in the 314, I'm Patrick Norton. And I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. Ah, fantastic folks. We are ready to tell you about a certain type of AI. There's so many of them, but there's one that Microsoft's very excited about. And everyone else would like to horn in on the fact that everyone's interested in what Microsoft had to say about AI. But first, let's start with the quick hits. Google will add a blur feature to its safe search menu options to help you avoid inadvertently seeing images that it considers graphic. Google told The Verge the feature will be on by default, and you can toggle it on or off independently of Google's main search safe settings. So if you have safe search on, you could just turn the blur off. If you're signed in and over 18 when it launches in the coming months, you can do that. However, safe search is currently the default for signed in users younger than 18. WhatsApp has a feature called status that lets you update your contacts with a video or text note, sort of like Snapchat. A new update to status called voice status lets you record a voice note for up to 30 seconds to use as your status update that may or may not be appreciated by your friends. Another feature lets you choose who can see your status update and you can respond to your contact statuses with one of eight emojis. Last September, we told you about The Merge on the Ethereum blockchain. That's the one that transitioned Ethereum from the energy intensive proof of work system to a much more energy efficient proof of stake system. It basically means that you can validate a transaction based on having a stake of Ether rather than using your computer and its energy to solve hard math problems. However, The Merge only worked one way at the beginning by design. They're taking it step by step. So to begin, they said you can add to a stake, but you can't withdraw from it, at least not yet. So the next step is what's called the Shanghai hard fork expected in March, which will make the proof of stake system fully functional and thus allow the person who put a stake in to pull it out, which is one of the motivations of putting up a stake, including any Ethereum that they gained as a reward for being validators. That's the idea. You put up a stake, you use that stake to validate transactions, you get paid a little extra, you can pull it out. First test network for this final step successfully processed a withdrawal Tuesday and there are two more simulations on test networks or test nets scheduled before the hard fork happens in March. U.S. District Judge William Alsop of the U.S. Northern District of California ruled Monday against the filing of a class action lawsuit against Nintendo because of joystick drift in Nintendo switch controllers. The ruling rested on the fact that the end user license has arbitration clauses. Originally an arbitrator ruled that children had accepted the ULA or end user license agreement, not the mothers and as a minor. That meant that they might not be bound by the terms, but Judge Alsop ruled that the mothers had purchased the devices so the ULA still applied. A separate class action on the same issue is still pending in the U.S. State of Washington. Since mid 2019, Nintendo has offered free repairs and reimbursements for prior repairs when it comes to the joy cons. And this is an unsettling trend for some folks as of its latest update Microsoft Authenticator no longer runs on the Apple Watch. You can still mirror your authenticator notification from the iPhone to the watch, but there is not a watch app. Those using the watch to get a second factor code without having their phone with them are now going to be out of luck. The Verge notes some big names have been pulling their Apple Watch apps over the last several years, including Pokemon Go, Uber and Instagram. All right. Well, Apple's vice president of platform architecture and hardware technologies, Tim Millet, as well as VP of worldwide product marketing, Bob Borchers, talked to TechCrunch's Matthew Penzerino and said a few things of note about Apple's plans for the future. So Tom, break it down for us. Yeah, so there's a lot about gaming in there, but I want to focus on the chip cadence stuff. One of the more interesting things he said was that pre-M1 people had begun to question whether Apple was committed to Macs. He's like, we knew that we heard that, but we were putting all our efforts into the M chips. Millet and Borchers say they want to establish a regular cadence now of new Mac chips so that you're not left wondering when the next one is coming. Millet said, quote, We want to get the technology into the hands of our system team as soon as possible and in the hands of consumers as soon as possible. We don't want to leave them wondering, do they not care about us? A new phone ship last year, why didn't the Mac get the love? They want to end those kinds of questions. They did say that they don't think it's bad for folks to buy an older M series Mac because the M series is so good that it's really only the bleeding edge users that need whatever improvements happen between the versions. Millet added, if you bought a MacBook Pro last year with M1, you're going to be fine. Even if you bought it in December, you're not going to come screaming at me telling me I hate this machine. Why didn't you tell me to wait? Now, Patrick, these two statements seem at odds. We want awesome new tech regularly, but also it's not so awesome you won't feel bad owning the last version. Can you square that circle for us there? Oh, you're muted, Patrick. We cannot hear you. For anybody who's an ardent Mac enthusiast, I just want to say I am not trying to be rude, but what Mr. Millet said is that it's been a long time since you got the upgrade you wanted. But now look at what we brought you, which is a way of saying the performance had stagnated because Intel's deliveries on performance on mobile chips had stagnated. And the thing is, the longer you wait before you upgrade a processor, the faster the processor seems, right? The new processor. And what's beautiful about the M1 processors is the performance they delivered was and is ridiculous. Now, the M2 processors, they're talking like 20% boost, significant graphics boost. I can think of some friends of mine who are a little frustrated. I mean, they're still in love with their M1 MacBooks, but because they spend a lot of time in Premiere and Illustrator and other applications, they would have liked that extra 20%. But it's a fascinating argument because a big thing of what they get into in one of the interviews, I think the original TechCrunch interview is discussing how advantageous it is as they figured out with the phones themselves to have everybody invested in the room. We're designing a product. We want the best laptop on the planet. And one of the things they did was instead of thinking the way most manufacturers, laptop manufacturers have thought, which is like, okay, we'll take Intel's new processor and we'll throw a giant fan on it. And really everybody's going to be plugged in anyway, so don't worry about it. You know, the team at Apple were like, you know, people really like to work without having to fight over the one plug in their favorite corner of Starbucks. So why don't we actually give them the ability to do something other than, you know, turn off Wi-Fi and watch, you know, read or type or any of the things you found. You know, everybody listening is probably at one point or another done something annoying to make their laptop last that much longer. And it's actually looking at the performance, the numbers, it's kind of incredible what they've done. And then to turn around in such a short span and drop a 20% bump. Like I can see where some people would be cross angry, pissed. But I also love the idea that Apple's like, whatever we can do, bam, we're going to throw it at you. Which part of me is like, okay, do we now enter a stage where I have FOMO with my laptop every 12 months? Or is it going to be some years they give us 3% or maybe some other features other years they give us 20%. I mean, I feel like 20% is a huge jump and they're not going to be able to do that that often. But at this point, the performance is so extraordinary. I'm really kind of curious to see where it goes. Rich, you just did this. You bought the old one right before the new one came out. Yeah, I bought a 14 inch pro right in November. So I'm basically in that same use case and I mostly bought it just because I wanted the extra headroom other than the standard M1. So I really don't need the bleeding edge performance. I want that so that as the machine ages and my use cases might change. I'm not pegged in because Max aren't upgradable. Generally, you do have to overbuy a little bit. So like to me, the 20% performance is like, I didn't need the 100% performance of the old one, let alone this upgraded one. I do think it's interesting though. I mean, you know who else wanted to have a regular cadence of processor upgrades was Intel. And that was literally the only thing they did. So at some point, it will be interesting to see when there are technical errors. I already saw this with with some of the generations of chips that they have coming out, you know, they are hitting some technical walls. They had to bring back some technical decisions, you know, kind of back into the lab because they're finding performance issues kind of further in the engineering pipeline of Apple is very committed to shipping products, not necessarily shipping chips or shipping, you know, individual tech solutions. They want to ship a product right if when they can't hit that product. Well, they, you know, break that cadence so that they can ship a product when it's quote unquote ready. The other part of this interview that caught my eye because they talked a lot about gaming. And they talked a lot about, oh, we're working with Capcom and working on the API and metal and all the things you normally hear them say. But they did note, I think it was Millet who said it game developers have never seen 96 gigabytes of graphics memory available to them until now on the M2 Max. I think they're trying to get their heads around it because the possibilities are unusual. I don't pretend to know what that's going to mean for gaming on the Mac. I tend to think, you know, gaming on Apple has been the way it's going to be for a long time, which is gamers are mostly located elsewhere. And that's where the game companies are targeting most of their efforts. That's the first time I've looked at something and went, well, 96 gigabytes of graphics memory is unusual. Like, maybe that will turn some heads. But how many percentage of people have that? Like, who's going to develop for the 2% of Mac owners that have that? That's me. It's cool. Chicken and egg. Yeah, chicken and egg. That's a McGuffin. I mean, that's a McGuffin in the conversation because the conversation is maybe now that more people actually have functional 3D graphics in their laptop and desktop. That's the thing. It's actually paying attention to the Mac market as a place to sell games. Instead, it's like with 96 gigabytes of RAM, it's confusing and overwhelming all those poor people who are using Unreal. It's not ray tracing. NVIDIA did the same thing with ray tracing, which is they put it in before it was ready. But everyone knew that NVIDIA would be in a bunch of machines. So yeah, I don't know. Let's talk about the OnePlus product line that has been announced. The OnePlus 11 phone debuted in China last month, but it's now available for order in the United States as well. Shipping February 16th. $100 less, you know, in this world of inflation, you don't see prices go down. The OnePlus 11 is $100 less than last year's version. And it's way less than the Samsung Galaxy S23. It's 699 bucks. Has a 6.7 inch screen, 5000 mAh battery, Wi-Fi 7. Those specs are all better than the S23. But not all of its specs are better. It handles a splash of water. It's not submersible proof. It also does not have wireless charging. But still, it's a very good flagship phone from OnePlus at a very affordable price. Rich, tell us about the rest of the line. Yeah, they got some. OnePlus had some other stuff that might turn some heads. The OnePlus pad is the company's first Android tablet. Very much rumored. Now we have some of the details. One inch 144 hertz display with a 7 by 5 aspect ratio screen. Sure. Pre-orders open in April in North America, India and Europe. But we have no pricing on that still a little bit away. There's also a wireless mechanical keyboard called the keyboard 81 Pro also coming in April. But we don't have pricing either. The OnePlus Buds Pro 2 are out in February 16th for $179. And the company teased a foldable device coming in the autumn. Might look like a phone if you squint your eyes, but we're not 100%. In that regard, Oppo is their kind of parent company. They do make foldable. So we'll see how close those huge to those. Those aren't available in the U.S. However, Patrick, was there anything that kind of stood out to you? A swath of announcements from OnePlus here. I thought it was so odd for them to be doing a keyboard. But then again, there's the margins on keyboards can be so huge compared to the margins. On phones and laptops right now. I think it almost makes sense or phones and tablets. I'm kind of curious to see what else they keep coming up with in the future. It's a pretty keyboard. It doesn't. It has a knob. And I know it's very similar to the Ketron Q1 Pro. A lot of people were saying I do like it. They're borrowing like the surface knob. It's a software programmable. I want tactile controls. I like the tactile controls. I think that's cool. I know I alluded to it in the read for the OnePlus pad. That's seven by five aspect ratio. That's squareer. That makes sense. Then a three by two screen that they use on something like the surface laptops. I know those three by two screens have been getting a lot of popularity, or at least people are saying, oh, that's an interesting idea. As opposed to a 16 by nine screen, you can do kind of two office documents like side by side. If you do is in Word docs or something like that. Seven by five. I'm sure it's might be better for like multi-screen kind of stuff. I know Android is certainly capable of that. But definitely getting into the tablet market. Samsung is an Amazon, I guess, are the two market leaders in that space kind of by default. OnePlus knows how to put together as they show with the phone, a compellingly priced tablet, or a compelling price phone, like kind of identifying what the specs people want from a flagship, maybe at a little cheaper price. So the display seems really nice other than the wacky aspect ratio. So, you know, decently powerful, Dimensity processor has a 67 watt charging. You know, like a lot of interesting features on that. The pricing is going to be the key on that though. Yeah, Roger pointed out that one of the reasons you might have a weird aspect ratio is a lot of companies like OnePlus just go with the parts they can get. So maybe they got a deal, you know, on the, what was it, seven five? Yeah, seven by four. The thing is, it's a pretty nice screen. I mean, like that is, to me, that is not just a budget screen. Now, maybe they were able to buy a million of them for super cheap, but like 144. Yeah, no, I'm not saying that screen is cheap. I'm saying they found a supplier that could give them a deal because those screens were being used by anybody else. That's true. This is, I mean, this is not the time I've reviewed a bunch of laptops that came out of Chinese sort of century companies in the past, and they're not obsessed with the 16 by 10 or 16 by 11 aspect ratio. The way people are here in the United States, so they're much friendlier to that. Something to think about looking at the tablet vendor marketplace or market share worldwide on statcounter.com. 50% of the market share over 50% is Apple 30% of Samsung. A smattering of everybody is like 8% in the Amazon is 5%. So it's kind of amazing 80% of tablet sales are pretty much Apple and Samsung and most of that's Apple. They've done, but at those unusual aspect ratios, I've actually seen a couple coming out of different places where it's fairly sophisticated, spendy products, but it looks very unusual if you've kind of lived in the, you know, the aspect ratios that we see all the time here in the States. The one thing, the one other thing to point out is they are kind of maybe going for a little bit of an ecosystem play here again, expanding into another form factor. They're having an auto connect experience they're calling it, but similar to what Apple and Samsung are doing, where you're going to be able to pair it with your OnePlus phone and do file transfers. Airplay has certainly been a popular feature for iOS for a number of years now. So not surprising to see them going for that as well. Well, folks, what do you want to hear us talk about on the show? You like more of this? Do you like more of that? You got a story you saw that you're like, wait, I want to hear what they say about it. One way to let us know is our subreddit. Submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. All right. Well, right before yesterday's DTNS, Microsoft suddenly said it would have an AI announcement today. That's right. Then right after we finish yesterday's show, Google made an announcement of its own, even though it already had an event scheduled for tomorrow, Wednesday. So we got all the calendar stuff maybe squared away here. Short version. Everybody is suddenly in a race to make AI announcements, particularly for conversational models like chat GPT. You may have heard of it. So let's break down who made what announcements. Tom, get a start. Google announced it will make its conversational AI called BARD open for public testing, starting with trusted testers. If you're not testing it, they don't trust you. Then they'll make it available more widely to you untrusted people like me over the next few weeks. But basically all of us are going to get to try it over the next few weeks. BARD is similar to chat GPT. It's a conversational AI. It's a large language model that lets you type in things and it responds. It's powered by a lightweight version of Google's Lambda model, the idea being it'll be a little faster at responding because it's lightweight. And then don't forget, Google still, even after this announcement, has an event scheduled Wednesday live from Paris. And one company we might not be talking enough about is Baidu. They announced plans to launch a chat GPT-like service in March called Wenshin Yee Yin, or Ernie Bot in English. Ernie is a large-scale machine learning model that's been trained on data over several years. They've been pumping a ton of money into this and will initially be embedded into search. And because we haven't had enough AI coincidences this week, Apple's annual employee-only AI summit has been scheduled for this month. This is the first time employees can attend in person since before 2020. Apple's AI summit is a private event and while details will most certainly leak, the official announcements of anything discussed there will likely not come until Apple's WWDC event, or WWDC event as Apple calls it in June. But let's complete the circle and get back to the company that actually had an event today. That's Microsoft. Microsoft addressed reporters about the new capabilities built into Bing and the Edge browser. Microsoft introduced us to the Prometheus model. Prometheus is a next-generation large-language model that they say is more powerful than the one that's running the public version of ChatGPT and Prometheus is customized for search. Microsoft says it improves the relevance of answers using the Web Search Index, which is integrated into it, but it also does a lot to make sure it's not acting badly. Microsoft described three levels of safety systems, including fine-tuning the model itself, then filtering and monitoring the responses before they get to the UI and the UX. They have had a red team modeling misuse, trying to get it to do bad things, and they've been using the model to test against itself. It sounds a little bit like a GAN when you do it that way. So, Rich, what can it do? Well, there's two main things. The Bing search box can accept up to 1,000 characters. You can get pretty complex with your request there. Search results are on the left, on the right, shows a conversational answer with links and annotations. So it gives you stuff like where it's pulling the stuff from or where you can go for more information. There's quick feedback button at the top of every search for the system to learn. And then there's Bing co-pilot that's being built into Edge. It can execute based on what page you're on. So things like make summaries or compare to other websites without actually leaving the page and even put things in tables and compose posts for LinkedIn, which Microsoft owns. Microsoft will roll out the new Bing interface globally but slowly. The new Bing is available live today. You can go to bing.com slash new. It's available on the web and in Edge. Everyone can try a limited number of queries and then sign up for access to full access. You get put on a wait list. Millions of people should get access over the coming weeks. You can get bumped up in line on that wait list. If you set Microsoft defaults on your computer, on my Mac, it asked me to install the Chrome plugin for Bing and install the Microsoft Bing app on your mobile phone. This is very 90s era Microsoft activity if you ask me. But all right, let's get past that because the wait list is only going to be a couple of weeks. Microsoft has fired the first shot in these so-called AI search wars. Patrick, what do you think so far? I have a lot of feels. I've won. I'm laughing because if I search for browser on my laptop, it tells me Edge. It doesn't admit any of the other four browsers in the laptop when I'm running Microsoft Windows. Seems odd. I think this is a really interesting move for Microsoft. Because I feel like Bing's search has always been not as good as Google's. We can argue that. I will also say that Google's search is not as good as it used to be in part because SEO has gotten so good. Or if you are the tinfoil hat wearing friend of mine, I was having a discussion with a few weeks ago that the advantages of, let's say, economic plays or Google Adsense or any of a number of not or very far-fetched theories are the idea that having more, if you search for, I need the dimensions of this part on a 73 Blazer, that giving you 10,000 vendors, rather than the one conversation you need from a chat forum about square body Chevy's is really what's best for Google. I have no particular dog in that fight except that when I'm looking for information, I do not need to get some third tier vendor trying to resell the top 20 whatever's from whatever. I think everybody's kind of run into this situation where I search for a projector and then instead of getting the review I want, I'm suddenly finding out that Cosmopolitan and Rolling Stone have a bunch of recycled Amazon sort of comments that they are claiming are the top 10 projectors of whatever year we're in. I'm saying all this because the idea that if an AI, if I could put in a whole bunch of search characteristics into an AI and it can actually give me the information I want the first time, this is incredibly compelling because I think for a lot of people other than me searching for obscure data about vintage cars actually would like to get useful information when they go into a search bar. What are their examples? Asking it is this love seat going to fit in the back of my Honda Odyssey and the big search engine said like, well, here are the dimensions of the love seat. Here's the dimension of your usual Honda Odyssey truck and here's my estimation of whether it will fit or not. It's almost exactly the kind of thing you're talking about, right? As long as it's not doing the math where it's cut, you know, the volume of the love seat into a bunch of small pieces which will be stacked inside the back seat they will fit, right? Because the thing that's not in that is it hasn't actually figured out the size of the door and the angles, right? Everybody's seen that top 10 delivery fails or top 10 fails need where it counts. No, it doesn't seem to be doing that. I was giving you a direct estimate, yeah, yeah. Rich, Rich, you were impressed by the edge thing, right? Yeah, the Bing stuff was almost like replicating services that we've had before, like the trip planning thing that they showed off. It was like there are a ton of trip planning services. The closing the gap from like intention of search to actual result that I want is remarkable to close that. But the stuff in Edge really got me thinking, from the more generalized world of chat GPT, which we're already seeing disrupting a lot of ways of generating content, right? And putting it into a situation where this, like this is going to be a very mom and pop kind of access point to a lot of this stuff. And some of the stuff they were showing, even just very simple stuff, like summarize this PDF, you know, put these results that I have on my screen. In context, right, you're looking at it and you're saying like compare this to another thing. And without having to leave your page, it would go get that other things information and then just give you the answer, which is fast and efficient and something everybody can understand. Yeah, the Microsoft taking their knowledge of how people are productive and where the hangups are in productivity and applying that specifically to AI and integrating that into a browser to me was incredibly compelling where we see the gaps in what Microsoft is promising as we saw with like voice assistance I'm thinking and what people can actually do with that will of course be the litmus test for this and how quickly they can iterate on it as well. Yeah. Tomorrow, Google is going to catch up, whether it's actually in their life from Paris announcement or metaphorically very soon, like Chrome is going to have this kind of stuff, Google is going to have this kind of stuff, but we're in a race now. I think that's what's most interesting is Bing just became something people are going to try because of this announcement and then they'll immediately go and check Google. Okay. Well, we could just go like let's be afraid, but I actually think this is really interesting. I think this is an interesting step forward. The most interesting part of it to me was Microsoft openly saying we don't count as much on search revenue nearly as Google. So we can iterate on this super quick. We can take risks on this to make this a value add for people using Bing because we have only places to go but up. We also have a profitable cloud business unlike Google that can power all of these searches that they're going on right now. So those two factors we were very interesting kind of back end stuff that they were talking about which may kind of limit how aggressively Google can go after this whatever they show. You're actually going to have, who knows how long it'll last, you're going to have competition for search which you have not had in a long, long time. I will also say that Microsoft's rolling out the AI in all areas of their business behind any of a number of 365 projects that sounds like her products I should say. Yeah, this is just one window into what they're doing. That's a really good point. All right, let's check out the mail bag, Rich. All right. Abloh from Twitter wrote in and I'm sorry. Yeah, we have Abloh from Twitter writing in and he said he's worked in digital marketing for hotels in Southeast Asia and their teams of three, their teams of three are from three different nationalities there, none of whom are native English speakers. So he wrote in, we usually write SEO articles, 30 plus per month and social media content with captions for both IG and Instagram. With chat GPT, I've started to write prompts to rewrite this content and this is saving a lot of time. I remember doing one of the conversations in the shows was mentioned that next phase of this would be lessons on how to write prompts and be more like an editor and choosing the right output. And that's what I've started to experience. You will still need the expertise to shift through the outputs and choose the most appropriate, at least for now, but you know, we're kind of already living in that reality. He says that cheers and keep up the good work. Thank you. Abloh. It has been interesting to watch. Yeah, no, I was, I was, I was, I thought you were going to say something. I was waiting. I'm trying to be a good shell script. No, no, I know. I know you have thoughts about this, particularly about using these tools to aid with writing. So when chat GPT hit, the first thing I thought was like, oh God, here we go again. And the second thing was, would a friend of mine sent me something at chat GPT wrote and went, Oh, I am being replaced by a very small shell script except a very small shell script is a much larger distributed AI, right? Because I write a lot. But I, it's actually been extraordinary because I've dealt with a bunch of, of sort of gig economy. We generate written content for you and chat GPT has, in many cases, utterly spanked the human beings. You know, the grammar is better. It knows how to write a lead. There's a whole bunch of other stuff going on there. So it's been really fascinating to watch this and really fascinating to watch where people have been like, oh, I tried to write a press release. Oh, you know, we've been using it for Facebook stuff. And it's been kind of fascinating because there's a lot of uses for this. There's also been cases where it's failed miserably. But it also, you know, we've heard about the recent debacle with CNET using AI unattributed to generate articles on their website and some other stuff. This is a really great big Pandora's box. And I'm kind of really curious to see where it all opens up and ends up. Yes, as Tom pointed out, I need to not make Skynet jokes. But in this case, actually, it's really gunning for me. Like when it figures I had to open up a box and review a product, I'm dead. I think you're going to be fine. I think these are tools that are, like most of tools, just going to help us be able to do new and interesting things. But you know, your mileage may vary on that. With the deluge of content that this is going to be able to produce, you know what we're going to need really good? Search. Hey. Hey. Listen, you can go to Schnooks and buy apples, but Eckerts still exist because people like to go out and pick it themselves. Patrick, that's my analogy there. Pick it yourself. And also, they treat their apples better. They don't travel as far. They don't pick them when they're far, far from being. Yeah. So it's never humans. We're complex people. We are complex. But so is AI, right? Because you were talking in good day internet, which everyone should be a member of before the show, but you're talking about how what we think of as AI is so many different things that really are all maybe aspects of AI, but we need to stop referring to all of this. Yes. If you notice, I try to refer to the ones today as large language models, not just generically AI, because AI can mean so many different things. Patrick, when the folks, when you're not wearing your Eckert shirt or talking about the various AI things to me, what do you do in these days? You can always find out what I'm up to at Patrick Norton on the Twitter, which seems to not be dying, despite anyone's best effort. And you can go to AVXL or search for AVEXCEL on your favorite podcasting tool. 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