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That's not even a full tank of gas barely Toyota Corolla you get me copyright disclaimer under section 107 of the copyright act 1976 allowance is made for fair use for purposes such as criticism comment news reporting teaching scholarship and research Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing Non-profit educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use No copyright infringement intended all rights belong to the respective owners I've been a bus driver I've driven lorries Paul is 57 and lives in Western Supermere This morning he went to the local food bank in desperation today And picked up these cans. So you've got what baked beans baked beans soup tomato soup Chopped tomatoes are back there as well He's had no money for days and what little food. He's had he's had to Russian to one meal a day Have you been hungry? I pull starving. I've been really hungry the last three days So what did you eat yesterday? I had fish fingers and beans What else did you struggle me eating real struggle meals out here fish fingers and beans is crazy. You got bread Like a fish sandwich fish. Sorry. That's what they had his fish fingers and beans for me Evening man What about lunch? No, no, I just fill up on tea He lives alone and in this the flats only other room keeps the lights off as much as possible Vehicle repair diplomas adorned mostly bare walls from a career ended prematurely by ill health I just get scared of going out and Seeing other people living their life my life. I'll be eating so many free samples Wherever I need to go Costco as the wherever I'll be the free sample king. I'm not trying to poke fun of it, but I got to do what I got to do You know, I kind of all pass up up and everybody's sat outside at lunch time. I'm gonna drink I don't drink but it's the fact that How can you afford that? That was for September Paul receives eight hundred and forty three pounds a month on universal credit He's due to get more on health grounds But right now he's reeling from a recent hike in rent now, yeah rent I forgot 843 to pay everything Costing 620 pounds a month leaving him after paying bills and insurance with on average 30 pounds for the month to eat so you got $30 to eat But the main priorities are taken care of that's For food Washing because I have to use a laundry to do me washing not every day, no And that's expensive. No So 30 pounds Yeah, I have started washing in the sink the amount you've gotten your bank account currently 11 pence That's it Today's report by the Joseph Ran tree foundation estimates the number of people experiencing destitution in the U K has more than doubled in the last five years such severe hardship They say is no longer a rare occurrence. Do you want some extra milk love? Oh, yes, please loads of milk Gareth who's 55 finds himself at the same food bank as Paul a Welder Abracator until he says a spinal issue affecting his hands made that too difficult I Need a new pair of boots. Yeah, I'll struggle to buy a postcard with a pair of boots on it You know, I see not on disability Mean it's like I can't afford anything, you know, sometimes I have to Sometimes I have to share a can of tuna with a cat because without skin you get to stay We just think what's the point, you know, this is not living This is not even survive in everything I held dear in the last year since I've been signed off has gone really His application for disability benefits. He says is proving long and arduous a Common theme says today's report. Do you like salami another as this food bank tells us is that many simply can't afford Essential items with the universal credit income they get Sometimes we actually counted and in a session where we did 32 parcels 30 people asked for toilet paper Some people is the first thing that when you say, you know Just ask them for their voucher number and their name and the first thing they say is I need toilet paper More than you really don't know how important toilet paper is until you until you you know I'm saying until you don't have it until all your shirts are in the washing machine Until you wipe your butt with a sock like, you know, really, you know, I'm saying that's in it I've ever done that but like it's an it's a vital part of the day-to-day Then anything else and it's just Yeah It is says today's report a social security system now so full of holes that it falls to charities to intervene But adds the task is too great for them It's finding of a sharp rise in destiny migrant households chimes with what Bristol's Borderlands charity has seen There's barely a spare seat at this their weekly lunch for refugees and asylum seekers Well the numbers queuing for a handout of fruit and veg Grow ever larger Thank you very much. Okay. Are people asking you for more food more than you can give them absolutely I think with the food we give every week. We cannot cover week for a family and every week There is people asking for different items. We just can't provide it's a rule I mean, I mean like I like it's an unfortunate situation, but like beggars can't be choosers. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm thankful for anything that you can provide for me and it's a I said that term for lack of better term That's you can't be out here trying to Ask for specific stuff Always a big queue like this. Yes. Yes, absolutely It's growing every week Warnings grow around the impact destitution can have particularly on children with as many as a million in the UK affected last year So claims today's report Back in Western Supermaire we meet Jasmine a single parent to Henry She's in paid work a part-time cleaner and receptionist training to be a counsellor She receives universal credit But has debt has needed the food bank and has skipped meals. She says so Henry has enough She is only just managing to avoid what the Joseph Ran tree foundation would define as destitution Yeah, I Now know these next few months are gonna be really hard because at the moment I can only just afford my gas and electric and then my gas is now about to triple I think last year Winter I think so January time. It was minus two. It was freezing like I had him wrapped in everything and My gas cut off I'd gone over the emergency credit. How are you feeling generally at the moment in all honesty? I Mean this good days and bad days I feel I feel at the moment guilty and frustrated because it's his birthday in the weekend And I haven't been able to afford to get him anything. I've only just covered the bills this month My mom has to have food truck for me last week So I I just don't feel good as a person. I just feel like I'm not doing enough even though I probably actually am Turning the tide You doing just enough on destitution said the charity behind today's report is an urgent moral mission I don't feel like ain't nothing wrong with washing your clothes in the sink like if I only got like one or two items I'm not gonna you know, I'm saying if I didn't have a washer and dryer in my house I'm not gonna go all the way to the laundry mat Or pay X amount of dollars You know, I got this soap and I got these two hands and I got water I'm gonna do it in the same. I used to wash socks all the time In the sink and why maybe a t-shirt is here in there The circumstances that you find yourself in but then again like I just didn't I just it's not that I couldn't I just didn't feel like and they're literally they literally can't if the difference Would in line with this report Characterize you as destitute Yes It's not a word that I've ever used In my life Never thought I'd have to use it But that's scary the thing that I I am destitute. What's the hey Siri? Mm-hmm, what is destitute? Destitute refers to an individual a group that lacks the basic necessities of life such as food clothing and shelter Due to extreme poverty This answer is from definitions. Okay, okay Okay Because I was wondering why he wasn't just using like poor like but that's not the case. He's just destitute. It's too It's different a little bit Even though I tried not to be Well, channel for news did ask to speak to somebody from the government about this but no one was available Earlier the work and pension secretary Mel Stride was speaking to reporters and was asked about the report So I think we have a strong record. This is actually like a newscast on poverty since 2010. We have 1.7 fewer People in absolute poverty 400,000 of those are children But there's always more to do and that's why my department has been putting out Millions of cost of living payments over the last year to 800 low-income families exactly the ones you're describing On universal credit 6 million disabled people also support for those who are pension as well The national living wage going up by 9.7 percent in April, but most importantly of all Continuing to bear down an inflation because that is Every time I hear like somebody in a position of his I don't believe you It's really what has been eating up people's savings and making the cost of living that much more difficult Well, I'm joined now by Katie Schmucker from the Joseph Roundry Foundation and by Bex Wilson Who set up a charity here in Leeds helping to support some of those children in greatest needs? Thanks, both of you for joining us Bex Wilson. I mean we saw Andy asked Paul in the piece Paula grown man. He had been in work Would you say you've been hungry and he stands there and says I've been starving Does anything in that report surprise you given what you've seen? It's still shocking to hear Especially towards the end sort of saying I never thought I'd have to use those words to describe Myself, I think that's something we see a lot in our work families that just never envisaged having to access the support that we offer and but you know 2017 teaching a little boy saying that he you know, just didn't have a bed And they're not being able to find him a bed without sort of going out and doing something about it And I was shocked then and I'm still shocked now And I think that's part of our mission to end bed poverty and through not having a bed Not having the basics yet many people don't buy the idea of destitution It's real and it's everywhere And I would say from the messages that we get from schools from professionals working on the front line with children day in day out It is only on the ink. I'm not gonna lie. My child will never feel that Like I might be going through it, but I won't let it touch you As my child you gonna eat and I'll go I'll starve Grace I mean Katie Schmuck. It's fair to say probably that the government don't actually buy your measure of Destitution they've told us that there are 1.7 million fewer people in absolute poverty We heard mill stride this the whole raft of policies cost of living payments increase told you male was cabin into the national living wage He says that we're trying to tackle inflation and that will make all of these people better off Will it well, I think the questions that he's answering there are different ones I mean he's talking about absolute poverty a single person in absolute poverty if they have less than 157 pounds per week what we're talking about here. It's a far more severe form of hardship Destitution a single person who has less than 95 pounds per week We're talking about people who are unable to meet their most basic physical needs to be warm dry clean and fed This is the most severe form of hardship and deprivation in our country and it has doubled in the space of five years and so that is what we want Only gonna get worse unless it's really fixed and I don't know the solution, but I'm gonna say it's y'all better fix it man For the people get to speaking and get to doing other stuff To combat these issues an uprising type situation To see the government don't condone it but hey listen I'm talking about that very sharpest end of hardship and we want to know both from the government But also from the opposition parties as well. What is it that they are going to do about this? Where I mean the government says it's focuses on tackling inflation and it will ease some of these burdens for people when we look at the What's happened over time? We've seen between 2017 and 2019 Destitution was rising in that period as well. It's risen again since so yes Definitely the cost of living the very sharp increases to food and to energy has played a part here But actually the roots of this and much deeper and they go down they go to the I feel like I've got the COVID man Like the government got really really greedy Man we helped everybody out. We helped everybody use that but now Let's come back with a vengeance Very threadbare social security system that we now have the cups and freezes to a universal credit to social security That is a big driver of what we are seeing here I mean there seems to be a disconnect often between what the government says and what people are seeing on the ground What we see on the ground when we report on these issues, of course, and you see that disconnect absolutely We've been petitioning for a while now to have a response from central government about what what are we going to do to Call bed poverty. We know it's an issue affecting hundreds of thousands of children They're one shot at education is being limited their attempt to get out of poverty through education is being limited Through not having a bed not turning up to school with their basic needs met ready to learn so what what are we going to do to tackle that we believe that there's a Thirst out there from the the bed industry to do something into to help but that needs to be coordinated from the top I mean your report today talks about how you know social security needs to be more generous You know, that's an incredibly controversial political idea that neither party may be looking at I don't think it is that controversial an idea when we talk to the public when we do opinion polling when we go out and speak to People what we find is that people very much support the idea that our social security system should be there for us When we fall on hard times any life can come at you fast sometimes Anyone of us can lose our jobs can be sick get sick need to care for a disabled family member You know things happen in life and when they do social security should be there to help us get back on our feet and Move on with our lives and our system is currently failing I mean the government's stated aim of universal credit is that it will provide a basic in Income for people which covers a range of needs to both of you either of you think that is true No, I mean seven in ten people are experiencing destitution. We're in receipt of social security payments So universal credit or other benefits It's clearly not actually helping people to meet their needs and that's why we've been arguing for an essentials Guarantee to be built into universal credit so that it is yeah, so you can at least get the bases On top of what you're getting ways enough for people to meet life's basic essentials But do you think that you know, it's that idea of what is enough and that the government with the benefit system may have An idea of what is enough, but this destitution report suggests that's not Right, well, it's never our social security system The basic rate of social security of universal credit is 85 pounds per week to cover food utility bills clothes travel Yeah, all sorts of things that it's clearly not enough and it has never never actually been related to a basket Acosted basket of essentials. It's just a sort of historical accident and a series of decisions about how to operate it So it's completely disconnected from the realities of what it costs to meet your meet your needs and Through my experience as a deputy head teacher of a large primary school and also working with with professionals working in schools across the country through Zarak Parents are not choosing for their children to not have a bed They are not choosing for the chaos that is in their house when there can be no bedtime routine where they are worrying about how to Put food on the table where there are they are living in houses without carpets without Curtains and not knowing when they're going to be able to wash their clothes and XR You know have their big top up for electricity and their utility bills paid They're not choosing to live with that that pressure that stress and that chaos. That's what they find themselves in Such an important point though because the the choice here lies with government government can choose to do something I'll end it then. I'm really sorry. There's so much more to talk about but thank you both of you Do you really think the government has like the power to just be like, okay? Yeah And if they do what's up on them, let me know in the comments what you really think man Because this is a huge problem and all around the world anyway No