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Just make sure you use the code mayspecialwithnowspace for the discount. Lekai, Lekai, sit down right now. God, after them glutes, huh? No, dude. No? What is it? I hurt my back. Oh boy. I hurt my back. I mean, could anybody predict this maybe? You won't, I guarantee you don't know, I. Really? No. It's so stupid. It's actually not stupid. Throwin' a football? Why would I throw a football? That's good. Name three things that are, is that a throw a football? Justin, the three least likely way, that we should play a game. What are the three least likely ways Sal hurt his back? Sal hurt his back. What are the three least likely? Throwing a football is my first, number one. That's not bad. That is a good one. That's not bad. Swinging, you know, a golf club or something. That's another good one. Well, that's two, that's two on line. That's the two sports. Yeah, because we can just go every sport like that. Can you give me another one? Can you give me another least likely one? Maybe like break dancing? Oh, there's going. There's going. I thought I took the break part of break dancing literally. So what happened, dude? So it's a de-load week. So I'm not, listen. You got hurt in a de-load week. No, no, no, check this out. Last week, I'm pullin'. You're such a wuss, you got hurt in a de-load. I'm pullin' 575 off the ground, squat. This is woozy shit. 400 something pounds. I'm like, whatever. This week, de-load week, and I wake up, sorry honey, I'ma tell the story. I wake up early in the morning, one morning, and feeling a little randy. So I'm like, I was like, why'd you say sorry? What are you gonna say? I'm like, come downstairs, everybody's asleep. Let's see a baby's sleeping, which is weird, because he never sleeps. So I'm like, what's up? You throttled too hard. And exactly what happened. I went, I went, I went, I went hurt again. Oh, wow. Bro, I went, I didn't feel anything. You're an opportunist now, bro. Yeah, while we were doing it, I didn't feel nothing. I just felt good times, right? It was a great time. Five stars all the way around. That's the review I got, right? Then I go work out and I'm doing upper body, and I'm doing like, you know, de-load stuff, light, training, feeling the pump. Like why the hell does my QL like hurt on the left side? Like what was I, I didn't do anything. You're rotating those hips too much there, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta stay in line, you gotta stay in line. Over-rotating, dude. It was, it was, it was, trying to get all fancy in there. What are you doing? What do you think you are? Come on, man. What do you think you are, guy? Don Juan. Unfamiliar, you know, territory. We were in the, we were in the living room, you know what I mean? Cause the kids are all upstairs, man. It's just a hip-hanging mood. Hey, why are we talking about, laying up here, laying down here. Why we're talking about wives. So, I don't know if you guys saw the, you guys saw the post I did with Katrina and I playing ball, right? In the Fisher Price newsletter. So somebody comments under there that, oh my God, she's so pretty. You talk about her like she's so average on the podcast. What? I was like, what? When did you ever talk about her like she was average? That's what I said. I'm like, what? Huh? What it was? Well, first of all, how dare you? Hey, Katrina sent you that. She's like, you need to talk about how pretty she is. I know, I guess. Oh, let me tell you. My girl would call me out right away if I did. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. You always talk about her like she's amazing. I know. You always say very nice things about her. That's what I was like, but maybe it's because I don't talk about her physically like all the time on the podcast. I don't know. Well, I mean, she's obviously average. Like bragging about it or something. Oh, my wife is so hot. I know. It'd be like, come on. That's like, if you're like, you bring up a story, like Katrina, she's amazing. I mean, she's obviously looks average, but she's really good. I was trying to think of like, what made them say something? You wouldn't even know. This show sucks, dude. Turned into like a whole like, sweetie pie, like, oh, Schmoopy, you know, we started talking about like our pet names for our wives and shit. We don't need that. Justin has to be the most romantic person ever met, but maybe mean my baby this weekend. Shut up. Happy Valentine's Day, baby. It's a rose with a letter. Let's fuck. Yeah. I'm ready. I'm so romantic. All right. Now that you open the can, bro. I did. What do you call your wife? Do you have like a little sweet name for her? Come on. Sparkly Giggle Bear. Do you really? No, you don't. That was a total joke. Yeah. I became our like thing, you know, because Sparkly Giggle Bear. Yeah, because we used to hang out with a couple that we used to hate. Do you all need a rave or something? That's what it sounds like. No, because it was like these, you know, those couples that like they do nothing but PDA all the time in front of you. And you're like, we used to sit there and like look at them and we just look at each other and be like, oh, these assholes. You know, we made up names for them. Yeah. Yeah. We were, that's why I love her. She's just like, she's just like me, you know, she'll make funny if you're being an idiot. Yeah, that's nice. So I love it. That's a nice way to bond. It is. Yeah. We make fun of other couples. And then we make up names that was, you know, we thought they were. So I made up Sparkly Giggle Bear. She did like, yeah, something like that. Katrina and I play a very similar game is that's pretty funny. So we'll sit like at dinner. Like if you, and if we see like a couple that we think are on like kind of first date or whatever, we'll be, this is like a stupid game we play where we will pretend like we're having their conversation. Oh yeah. You know, so we'll see like a couple like, oh, they're definitely like newly like just started hanging out. And then you try and like outdo them. So we used to like just start feeding each other and just be like. Oh, thanks anymore. And then like it drips down my face and she's like, you know, licking it off. Yeah, you gotta outdo them. So they stopped. Yeah. One time we were out to dinner and I saw a couple and they were like in their mid forties and they were like all over each other as they were walking. And then he walks her to the car and she's like trying to get in and he just keeps like making out what they're and he's grabbing her butt and doing the whole thing. And I looked at Jessica and I'm like, that's an affair. 100%. That's an affair. That is not his wife. Yeah. That is an affair. He's saying goodbye to his mistress. And I bet you I'm right. Yeah, I never knew. Oh, you know, I was like, I thought that you were gonna drop the, no, and then you got another car, which made me think like the 45, who does that in the mid forties? That goes crazy like that. Yeah, right. You know what I mean? Or meets at like a motel six at like two. That is pretty obvious. Do you remember the, what was it called? I want to call it out. They're role playing though. I think I might have told the story years ago. Do you guys remember that there was a place in San Jose? I don't remember the name and they had like, you could rent the room and they had like a jacuzzi in there, a sauna and a steam room. Oh yeah. It's over by, I heard, it's over by. I've heard of this place. You have a punch card? No, it's over by that. You get a free room and the next time you go. Awesome. It'd be so bad you walk in and they're like, oh, Mr. Schaefer. No, it's, I don't know the name of it, but it's over by, it's over by that casino over off of Stevens Creek. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's over by the hour. Yes, so when I was a place like that in Santa Cruz, so when I was a teenager, when I was a teenager, right, whatever, I would go there because, you know, have, you know, you don't have a room to do anything. And it was actually legit. Like you go in there, people working there. You could rent the room. You could do the jacuzzi, the steam room, whatever. And it was the one to be the guy that cleans every now. It was semi legit. Well, anyway, Jessica loves sauna, steam room, jacuzzi. And when we first started dating, she's like, I would love to go like in a jacuzzi. I'm like, Oh, I know this place. I'm like, it's kind of weird. You pay for it for a few hours to say, but whatever. We'll chill and whatever you like. You do whatever you want. Yeah, I'm like, OK, whatever. So we go there and it legit turned into a prostitute. Yeah, yeah, like 100 percent. So the San Jose ones like that. There's actually a fancy one up in heading towards like Mountain View Direction that's called Watercourse Way. So and Katrina. Oh, I like that place. Have you been there? Yeah. Yeah, that's like that. Yeah, you can rent by the hour on that. It's got a steam room, sauna, jacuzzi. Yeah, very. No, but this other one turned into like there were pimps working behind the desk and we in there where the other one looks really see how it turns into that. But it's like, dude, have you got like the jacuzzi before a massage is like the best thing ever? You're all nice and relaxed already. And then you get a massage. Like I was like, I can't go back. You know what though? And the funny thing is, is that I have to forget if I go into it like a jacuzzi that other people use, I have to block out the memories of the jacuzzi's of the gyms. The shit that I would find. We got a floater. Oh, dude, I found a dildo. I saw a guy shave. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. Really? Yes, I did, bro. Get out of here. I swear on everything I love. There was something bobbing in the water like this. It was a rubber dick in the jacuzzi. I don't know what's weird that it was in there or somebody left it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Who leaves the dildo? An essential item. Yeah. And then, as you say, someone was shaving or was that? Oh, yeah, no, that was, yeah. So I'll never forget that. I'll remember coming around the corner. Of course, a member complains to me first. They're like, oh, yeah, there's a guy who's shaving in the jacuzzi. I'm like, what in the world? Can I tap them? No, he's literally like that. He's just sitting there and he's using the water and just. Was it an old guy or was it like a bum or? He looked like he was in his fifties or so. Yeah, fifties guy. Looked like he was Armenian or something. I couldn't tell. He was definitely like just no big deal about it. Like he was always have to shave. Old guys are gross at the gym. They just are. I hate to say it because I'm starting to get into that age category. Yeah, you just stop caring. Yeah, you put your throw it out. There was one guy I had to have a conversation with him because it was it was so weird like he and this is not this is not uncommon. He would put a t-shirt on and then remain naked while he would do all his stuff in the locker room. And this is an old guy thing. Don't ask me why. It's just a thing and bottom list, but has his shirt. Yeah, just a shirt, but the shirts kind of short. So like everything's hanging out. And I don't know why. OK, and socks. So I'm sorry, socks and shirt. You know what I'm talking about? You see how it's like an old guy move, but there was this guy and somebody came and complained to me. Someone actually came to me and said, hey, you know, can I talk to a manager? I walk up and he goes, there's a guy that's resting his balls on the sink while he's shaving his face. I'm like, what? He goes, he's leaning forward and he's resting everything I don't think he was. I had to go ahead to tell him, I said, listen, if you're going to shave, don't rest your private stuff. This is a ball free zone. Yeah, don't put it on the sink. Even though it's the right height. It doesn't get more alpha than that. I mean, that's just. He owns that sink. This is alpha. He's teabagging that sink. That's what I think it is. I think it's like a macho alpha thing. It's just like. I didn't think about it that way. Wow. That's when you get older. I'm going to do that in your guy's house, just to show you what time it is. Take a picture. You're not going to be invited back. It's mine now, though. My balls are on a bro. Yeah, your balls touching you can happen. You're moving out. Throw some bleach on you. That's my house. What now? Anyway, I had a rough night last night. Oh, you looked all tired. So exhausted, dude. So at 3 a.m., right? So it's already, you know, because we got the baby. So sleep is whatever. Anyway, 3 a.m. I hear the beeping really loud. It was one of the fire alarms. And so my daughter in her room is like screaming. Bye-bye, because it was in her room. And then, of course, Jessica's pissed off. She's going to wake up the baby. So I'm dealing with all this. So then I go in there and it's just a fire alarm. But now my daughter's scared. So then I end up laying in her little tiny twin bed because it's either that or she's going to she was crying because she was scared because then my daughter's like, carbon monoxide, you know that you can't smell that. We could have carbon monoxide poisoning. She's telling you this at 3 o'clock in the morning. Is she related to me? Oh my God, bro, is that you? I'm like, I'm like, there's nothing on fire. I think it's an old, it's an old fire alarm because then it turned off on its own. I'm like, none of the other ones are on. I said, I think we're OK. And she goes, yeah, but carbon monoxide, you know, it's an odorless gas. It's the silent killer. Yeah, she goes, it's an odorless gas that can make you, you could die in your sleep and not even know. And then she's crying and I'm like, like, do you want me to like, you can't take her in the bed with me because we got the baby in there. So I'm like, do you want me to lay it here with you? She's like, yeah. So we could die together. I open her window here, I'll open the window so that you'll be OK. And I laid in her tiny ass, fricking unicorn bed. My daughter's like over there and I'm like, I've had to do that quite a few times. Little bunk bed, you know, just like smashed in there. You have to because, you know, sometimes the nightmares, too, for me, it was all the night terror stuff. We went through a phase of that with both boys and it was like, you know, they're going to want to come up and sleep in the bed and like, no, no, no. And so sometimes I'd try and keep them down there and I, you know, try and like wedge my way in and it was impossible. Yeah, you know what's a trick for that, by the way, that I learned as a kid? My dad did this to me and then I did it to my kids a couple of times and it works if they have bad dreams because what'll happen with a kid, right? They'll have one bad dream, which will then trigger nightmares more nights because it terrified them, right? Yeah. So one trick you could do is you could give them something that's symbolic. So like, you could give them like, my dad gave me like a little wooden cross and he goes, this is good luck, it was blessed. If you put this under your pillow, you'll have only good dreams and because you believe it, that shit works. So I did that with my kids. So with my daughter, I'd say, well, I know a way to make bad dreams go away while you close your eyes and relax and I'm gonna tell you what you're gonna dream about and so I'd tell her a story while she was sleeping and it worked, no more bad dream. So you could do something like that and then that's it, it totally works. Yeah, I gave him flashlights and told him it was like ghost buster, you know, like weapons. Kill all ghosts. And then the intruder comes in, they're like, no, my god, dad, this isn't working. Like, oh no, just backfired. One time when my son, he was all freaked out and then I thought it would be funny to go in his closet and then pretend like I was fighting like a monster that didn't worry, that made me scared. That was a bad idea. Ah, I beat him up, don't worry about it. He's like, what was in there? Wait, I'll just kill you, didn't work dude. Hey, did you guys see that Bill Gates is getting a divorce, is that true? Yeah, I was trying to look into like, cause I know right now like the whole conspiracy world, like he's like their figurehead, right? For like all crazy conspiracies around Bill Gates. So I'm like, oh, I wonder, their heads must be exploding right now because he's getting divorced. He's the head lizard person, isn't he? Yeah, exactly. That's what's to happen. Why after all these years and they have their foundation together? He just got into the whole, you know, vaccine game. And I think people like that just threw a bunch of red flags out there as the motivation behind that. No, you think that's why he got divorced? No, no, no, no, I'm talking just the conspiracy. Oh yeah. Yeah, I don't know why they got divorced. Yeah, I was trying to read up on it. I think just the sex wasn't good. I mean, look at him. There was some weird- You imagined Bill Gates having sex? Was it ever good? No. Was it you who posted the meme of him sitting on the computer and it said, what did it say? It's only soft when it's micro or something. Yeah, yeah. And he's like kind of trying to look sexy. Yeah, yeah. I know it's kind of sad, like I'll be honest. I don't, obviously I don't know Bill Gates. I think some of the stuff he's done is phenomenal. He's one of the greatest philanthropists of all time. I almost said philanderers. Totally different. I don't agree with everything that he's done, but he's obviously one of the greatest tech geniuses of our time. Don't know much about his wife, except for their foundation. But they were married for, was it 27 years? Yeah. That's sad. It's sad to divorce after that many years of building a life together and doing what they did together. It's always sad to hear that. Well, I always wonder, like especially someone in that situation, like obviously they know hardship with money or anything like that. Kids are already grown and gone. You've been together for a while. You've got all this stuff together. Like why at that point? Like what's, it's so interesting to me why someone like that would in their marriage. And are they talking, have you read any articles that talk about she came out and said anything at all? No. I don't think so, no. Stuff I read, I probably won't even repeat because it's so stupid. Oh, come on. It's just like dude, like the QAnon people and all that kind of stuff, they're just, they're crazy. Right? There was something about her being a clone and like a man all this stuff. What? I was like, oh my God, what is this? That her, she's a clone and she's a guy? Yeah, she's a guy. Like she's like, yeah, like prove me wrong. Yeah, like the whole thing. Yeah. Look at this picture. It doesn't make any sense. Like there's nothing in there that made any sense to grab, but I was just curious if that was just like they lost the passion or like he got too consumed with the business of rolling these vaccines out and all that stuff. I have no idea. It's sad because this is the age that, like Adam said, like their kids are gone, they're older. Like that's the age when marriages become really, it's supposed to be great. And so like I watched my parents like, there's so much, they're like best friends now, right? When we were kids, they would see them fighting stuff. So sad you happen at that age. Although, I mean, he's a billionaire. I mean, he's gonna get women thrown at him left alone. You know, talking about billionaires, do you guys know when the Fortune 500 list when it was created? No. Okay, so I read some stuff and I wrote it down because I wanted to bring it up to you guys and I thought it was interesting. So 1955 is when the Fortune 500 list. I was just gonna say that. You should. I don't know. Like I knew that. Okay, so at the Fortune 500, Doug, you can play this game too because I feel like this is stuff that interests you. So maybe you'll have a better guess. Are we gonna have game music? Yeah. Play the game. Cue them game music right now. All right, you're all right. So Fortune 500, 1955, it comes out. Okay, the 500 companies that are in there. How many of those 500 companies are still in existence right now? The ones that were in 1955? Yeah, that Fortune 500. Zero. Oh no. Now I'd say 20%. That's a way better guess. You have a guess? 30. 30%. Companies or a percent? Well, it's a decent guess too. So the percent's closer to 10%, 52 of the 500. That's well, I was close, zero. Zero, zero. I mean, I figured it would be a very small amount. If this was prices right, you would lose. 21%, yeah, but yeah. No, the reason why I said zero is because, I mean, how much has business and the market changed since 1955? So this is some of the stats that were in sign there, right? So even like today, right? So they say, and I brought up the S&P thing before, I don't know if you guys remember. Yes. They say that 50% of the S&P 500 is turning over in 10 years, well, will be turning over every 10 years by 2000 or by 2026. Bro, 20 something years ago, Blockbuster was the freaking behemoth of movies, gone. This is how the market works. My space gone, you know? Now what makes me really, because I know that we all dabble in stocks and stuff like that, it's gonna get scarier to do that. If a company's like the average company on S&P 500 is turning, right now it's turning over 14 years. If it's gonna turn over every 10 years, like man, that's crazy to think how fast they're, and you talked about this before about like this new era of social media and the rise of millionaires and billionaires, but that means the fall is gonna come just as quick. Well, there's a couple of ways you can invest in stock. A lot of people, when they think of investing in stock, they think of the appreciation of the value of the stock and they forget that there's lots of stock that pay dividends. This is the conservative way to invest in stock. So very similar to buying property, right? When you buy property, there's two main ways you make money off property. One is the speculation of the value of the property. So you buy a property for $100,000, it goes up in value of $200,000, you sell it, you make $100,000, very fast way to make money. It's also much more risky way to try to invest. The other way is to buy a property that makes you a small profit from rent, much more consistent, but you're not gonna make tons of money right away doing that. With stock, it's the same thing. There are dividend paying companies that are extremely consistent where you could park your money and over time build it like a rental. And if you look at the history of these companies, they're very consistent with the dividends that they pay. Did they list any of like the top five or 10 of those companies? Yeah, they're still around like it. Yeah, Procter & Gamble, Whirlpool, Shit, what were the others like? Whirlpool. Yeah, yeah, I thought that was interesting too. Wow. Definitely not Sears at this point. No, no, no. Damn, I had them all that I remembered. I mean, you guys could probably guess some of them that were around back then. GE maybe? General Electric. I don't know, where is GE now? I know that, who bought, didn't someone buy out General Electric after what's his name left? I bet some oil company was probably. I mean, you gotta think about companies that probably are sticking around. Energy is probably a big one. And then maybe like some old food company that has evolved. The ones where there's regulations in place that limit competition are likely to stick around. And oil as well. Yeah, look up 52 Fortune 500 companies that still exist since the inception. That's a terrible way to Google search. Okay, well tell me how you Google. Let the Google master teach you. Companies that have been in the Fortune 500 the longest. Okay, that's a good one. There you go, Sears. You are the best at this. I'm the Google master. We should just give you a laptop. He reduces it down. Yeah, I know. Sometimes you get it on the phone faster than Doug even gets. I don't know how the hell you do that. We'll put you over there. Well, the one handed Googler. The one handed Googler. I like that. That's why Nick David High School. That's so weird. That's your title. Oh, here he comes. The one handed Googler. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. Watch out, everybody. What else you want to know? What do you got for us, Douglas? I'm not getting good answers here. Really? No, hold on, hold on. You failed this Google master. Oh, there you go. That middle, eh, eh, eh, scroll up. Right there, that second question. How many of the original companies- There you go. There, click on those. It says 26, huh? What are those? Now I get this massive white paper on this. So it's like- From the school, business school of Wharton. Yeah. We got to read now? This is lame. Yeah, I'd rather forget about it. That's why I became a trainer, so I didn't have to. I mean, I was talking to my nephew about, he's just saved some money, and he was asking me questions about investing in stock. And I was like, you know, be careful. I said, don't get caught up in all the hype stuff. There's a lot of hype right now around, you know, cryptocurrency and stocks. I was like, you know, where you're at, you're so young, if you put a couple thousand dollars towards a company that you believe will be here in 20 plus years, like the Amazon, maybe the Facebooks, the Googles, the Apples, when you look at that, like instead of trying to speculate on something that you think is going to be amazing, right? Yeah. Have you seen, I don't know if he plays for like the New York Giants, but there was somebody that played in the NFL that decided to basically allocate all of their money in their signing bonus and everything into Bitcoin. So they get paid all Bitcoin and they're just banking 100% that that's going to be the currency and without like diversifying it all, like they're like all in on that. You know what the problem with that is that the more risk, the potential, the more return, right? So you get the occasional person that does that. They're like, I turned $50,000 into 50 million. Now everybody else hears that and says, this is how I want to do it. Getting rich quick is just, it's never, it's never a real strategy. It happens sometimes, but it's not really a real strategy. You know, don't crush the, I'll tell you what, here's where we'll crush the investment in the stock market as if this capital gains tax thing goes. Everybody's going to pull out. Well, I mean, and the way that they're positioning it is people who make over a million dollars in income will get taxes, something close to 40% of their capital gains, which people don't realize that what that means for investment because the money that goes into the stock market really provides liquidity to these companies so that they can innovate and grow. And also these days, I mean, 70 years ago, a lot of people's retirements were in pensions, right? Nowadays, most people, a lot of people's retirements are tied to 401k. And if you start taxing, you double the tax of capital gains, especially the people that make the biggest investments in the stock market, people that make over a million dollars, you'll watch them take their money out very quickly and figure out other ways to invest it, which means the value of your 401k goes to shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause and effect. Not a great strategy. No luck, Doug. No luck. Wow, dude. That's terrible. Well, I'll bring it. I'll bring it. You didn't do one-handed. Yeah, I'll bring it. You know, I do want to address something that we were incorrect about, right? So... We are you. Yeah, actually, that's better. I was wrong. Okay. See how it happens? He always lumps us in. Yeah, I see how it happens. Spread the fault. Yeah. But focus on the praise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what? It's the right idea. It's just my idea, right? So the F-45, I think. So I had a trainer that reached out to me that works for F-40. It's so funny, though. We always offend people, right? When we do things like that, when we talk about, like, how we feel about the company or whatever. Supposedly they have certifications. Now what I don't know, based off of it, and he said that, he says, well, in our facility, like, there's two trainers that work the floor, they have a certification, and then there's the trainer that's over the thing. Now what he did say, though, is I don't know if that's just the way our general manager runs our facility. It's a franchise. Yeah, so. So that makes sense. Right, so there is a possibility that that's not mandatory for all of them. So I still don't know. So we might have been, like, half right, half wrong in this situation. Yeah, you might have been talking to someone who's in their facility or their franchise. Which, I'm gonna be honest, just, okay, if I take out my trainer mind and what I think is best, that from that sense, and look at it from a business standpoint, it's actually quite brilliant. You have, because if you're required to have a certified trainer, but you can get away with having one on video who now services 15 locations and all you have in there are motivators or whatever. I mean, that's a, that's a, that really accelerates the cost-effectiveness. Yeah, a lot of models are built off of this. Physical therapy model is built off of this. You have a physical therapist who's done their eight years of schooling and is really highly paid, and then they have PTAs. But they still have their own, you know, credentials that they have to get to even be a PTA, but similar type of model instead of having 12 physical therapists working in a facility that would cost the company who's running that facility a lot of money every year because they probably make a quarter million to a half a million dollars a year on average based off of where you're at. Did you have a massage places? I didn't talk about that before too. Yeah, yeah, and that was a new lot. That actually put so, I don't know if I brought this up in the show before, you know, Katrina's mom started the first massage school in the Bay Area. Yeah. So they had the very, and what eventually got her to sell her business and get out was when that new law had passed. So that was like new, that if you just had one person that had their massage license, then you could have a bunch of people underneath that person working in the facility and massaging people. And then you up popped all these $10 massages, $10 or $20 foot massage, $20 hour massage. I had the worst massage at one of those. So Jessica goes to one and she's a massage fanatic, loves it and she thinks they're great. And she's like, come with me, it's gonna be great, you're gonna love this. I said, all right. So I go there and it's obviously one room, right? Install a bunch of beds and this dude comes to massage me and he's like, he's like the stubbiest dude you've ever seen in your life, right? So he's really small and he had these like little meaty, stubby hands and this like little belly. And this like little belly and when he was trying to massage me. Was he the penguin from Batman? Almost, I could feel his little like, his little nubs, you know, like pressing on my back, but then I'd feel as like his belly resting on me. Oh my God. And then I hear him breathing while he's doing it. And I'm like, oh fuck man. And then when we're done, Jessica's like, oh that was so good. Like, what did you think? I'm like, did you see the fucking dude that massage me? He had like quarter inch fingers that were just pressing into me with his little nubby and his belly was on me. Oh my God. Gross. It was terrible. Put you in the mood. Never going back again. That's a 20 dollar, what's it called? Golden Foot Spa or some shit like that? No thanks, I'm not cold. Well hey, spas and taking care of yourself reminds me of, you know, we've got a Caldera commercial today and we actually just came out with a new line. I've never in my life done this so I have to like say that for preface with it that first. So I'm now moisturizing and doing. Right. Is there a wash and a moisturizer? Courtney was making fun of me for this because I brought that home too. It's like a new product to there. She's just like moisturizer? Who are you? I don't know. I've changed a lot. Secretly though, I kind of like it dude. Yeah, I'm kind of. They make, they do, the formulations are pretty phenomenal. I mean, they're exceptional formulations. I think Doug, you took it home too, right? I did. And I mean, you've had a lot of cream on your face so tell me what you think. What do you think? In truth, I've used a lot of face type serums and things like that because, you know, I'm always looking to maintain my youth. Yes. The cream is fantastic. I think it's very high quality. Number one, but number two, one thing that bothers me with creams is that they stink, a lot of them smell. And this has a very subtle, very nice scent to it that I really like. You full cream. Yeah, it's not sticky either. I knew Doug would get my back. I know he cares about it. That's the reason why he looks so young dude. He's been on to this game for a long time. I'm late to the party. He understands what it is. But I mean, the biggest difference is Justin though, because I mean, you always have a baby face, right? Because you've got a fat face. Justin, Justin's dry man. He's like, his skin is made for the desert. And if you look at him right now, the opposite is true. It's like really, it's very balanced and moisturized. And it's got to be caldera, dude. I mean, that's definitely what it is. I didn't think there was anything. I didn't think I could do that to you. He's Mr. Flaky. I think that's very nice. You know what, I actually, so like I get sometimes these dart circles or now, you know, these, you know, the wrinkles right here that I go in. I noticed the biggest difference around my eyes. The cruise. That's where I feel like it makes a big difference. Most likely guy in here to get Botox, Adam. No, no, I wouldn't. I would not. Never. I would do things like- It's on air right now. I will say, okay, never. Never. I would never do that because this, but I would do things like this that are natural creams to help that stuff or reduce that. But I'm not afraid of aging. Like I don't. So you'll never get Botox in your face. No, no, I definitely would not. I don't like the way that looks. I don't think it looks good at all. Even if it's subtle? Yeah. You can't even tell. No, I wouldn't. Here's, I think, and by the way, if you're a person who does this, I'm not shaming you for doing it because I think women sometimes look good with it. I think men, I think like wrinkles and kind of looking a little bit older like is distinguished in you. It doesn't look bad. So if I can just gracefully slow down that process through natural creams and things like that, I'm all for that. But I would never stick a needle in my face. And if you do, more power. Yeah, you know they did a study on faces and adding a scar, this is true now. Adding a scar to a man's face oftentimes makes him more appealing and handsome. Panty dropper. To women. How, you wanna talk about like how much we're animals, right? Because sometimes we pretend like we're such evolved beings or whatever. We are in some cases, but oftentimes the things that we do are just so animalistic. And like why would women find a man with a scar on his face? You gotta have a cool story attached to it though. It's probably because. Tex, you know, the guy gets down. Yeah, evolutionarily speaking. Oh, he fought and defended himself and he's gonna fuck. It's the same reason why if you saw a dude with, you know, cauliflower ears at the bar, you wouldn't fuck with him. You don't know anything about this guy, but if you saw that, you're like, okay. Most of the time he's just trying to put his coat on and his zipper just. Yeah, he's too fit. His cat scratched him. His cat scratched him. He's got two cats. Oh no. Especially if it's over his back in 85. How mad if you're a chicken? You married that guy. I think like, oh, I got myself a lawyer and shit. You know, we, you know, we never, I never actually asked this, but I've always been so attracted to the big scar you have under your cheek. Like, how did you get that? Fluffy. Yeah. Fluffy scratch. Is that a turn off to a girl, by the way, if she shows up at a guy's house? Yeah, cats. He's got like five cats. Would that be a turn off? I mean, for most I would think, I think there's probably girls are into that. That's if you were a chick. You're talking like that. I don't know anything in that regard. I'm talking on my ass. That's a good question. What would you find attractive in a man, Justin? Well, me personally, I want to protect her. Yeah. I want a guy that's real rugged. Yeah. He's like, he's got a muscle over here. He wants to bake himself. He's got splandals. Yeah. Drives a truck. Yeah. You get the fish in. He wants to have sex with himself. I want a guy that's like a buddy. Yeah. We can hang out. Yeah. We can drink some beers. Wow. I'm just saying. That'd be a great relationship. He's cheesed together. It's too bad, yeah. What do we have for dinner tonight? Too bad. Like women. Hey, Frank, what do we have for dinner tonight? Bull of cheese. All right. I was just high five all the time for no reason. That's hilarious. I told you guys to remind me about Jerry and getting a haircut. Oh, yeah. So what happened with that? So I didn't know this. This is our assistant, Jerry. Yeah, yeah. So our assistant. So let me preface the whole story here, right? So we have a barber in studio now, right? So Vicki is inside the studio. She's here every Monday. She's badass, by the way. She is badass. So Katrina says, hey, is it OK if I actually hire her to cut other people's hair or do stuff like that? I'm like, yeah. No, actually, she's Monday. She's pretty much dedicated to our place. And so if you have somebody, that's totally fine. She's like, oh, that's Jerry's birthday. And I'd like to gift her that. And I was like, oh, yeah, cool. Totally. I said, I gave her the number. I said, just let her know that you'd like to do that. She'll set it up. So anyway, she does it. Well, Jerry doesn't know this. It's kind of like a surprise for her today. And so yesterday, and then yesterday, we also give her a raise and we call her in here to give her the raise. Well, when I call her in and I say, hey, we have to talk about something that you haven't been doing right. It's always fun to make him feel crappy before you give her a raise. Adam loves that. Oh, I've done that to be why I make him feel like they're about to give her a raise. You know, like, hey, I told Katrina when I got home. Put him down to bring him up. Well, I told Katrina when I got home. I said, you know what? I'm really bad at giving raises. And she starts laughing. She says, why you say that? I don't know. I was like, I get awkward of that. I said, I do really good with bad conversations. What does that say about me? I was like, but I get all awkward. That's more my wheelhouse. She's like, what? She's like, why did you? I'll do the raises. Yeah, I was like, I even had to start it off with like scaring her first. Like I'm going to fire her and then to give her a raise. I'm like, I'm not very good at that, obviously. Makes you more comfortable. Yeah, I'm really good with those crucial conversations. Even though you don't deserve it. So anyway, so anyways, she and I don't know if you guys picked up on it. Remember, you guys said something when she came in like, hey, your hair looks good. Oh, never again. This and that. She said she was so uncomfortable because she was doing it at work with us. And she's like- That people are watching? Well, no, that her bosses are here and she's getting her haircut on the job. Oh, come on. Well, that's what's so great is Katrina's like, I guarantee that they didn't cross any of the owner's minds whatsoever, but it was stressing her out. Because she's not working. Yeah, and she didn't know. She was coming in to do her job like, normally. And then Katrina goes, oh, surprise. That's my favorite. I'm sorry, everybody. What, no, it makes me- She's trying to get another raise. Yeah. No, she was acting like that before she even knew, right? So it just reminds me of why I love that girl so much is that that's the type of attitude that she has is that she felt guilty that she was on the job and that we were letting her get her haircut done like that. And because she wasn't aware of that wasn't happened, she was in work mode. What opposite from other people that we've had in the past work for us where they're just like so entitled. Oh my God, we actually had somebody work for us who would get commissions and stuff and actually got mad because they wanted commission on a deal that Adam sold. His boss sold the deal and he was upset that he didn't get commission on that deal. Please. I know. Get the fuck out. That's why I love her though. I did not, it didn't make sense to me because the way it came up was when I, because Katrina's like, hey, what did you think of Jerry's hair? Did she like it? I don't, you know, I don't think she liked it because we, I told her how great it looked and then she was like, oh my God, never. And she made this big old scene about that. Oh, that was weird. So I brought it up and she goes, no. She goes, I called her afterwards. It has nothing to do with how the haircut looked. Yeah. I thought the same thing. I thought she didn't like her haircut. I was like, oh no, that's not good. Yeah. She looked nice. Yeah. No, I thought the same thing too. No, Vicki kicks ass. Yeah, no. She's really, really good. No, no, she is. But it had nothing to do with the haircut. It had everything to do with feeling so uncomfortable that she was at work and getting her hair. It was a long process. It took like an hour and a half or whatever to get done, right? So her being like not working for an hour and a half. Did I bring up to you guys the study on endurance training and strength training and its effects on testosterone? Did I bring the study up? I don't think so. Okay. So there was a study that compared the two forms of exercise and its effects on testosterone in men. Endurance training lowered testosterone reliably whereas strength training, of course, raised it. So there's a study to show, yeah, right? That's kind of crazy. And again, if you think about it, right? This endurance training is anti-tissue. It's telling the body to reduce muscle mass to become more efficient, whereas resistance training is pro-tissue, telling the body to build muscle which requires anabolic hormones like testosterone. But there you have it, you know, focusing on endurance training. More proof for what, you know, we've already sort of known and been preaching but it's nice to get like studies like that to kind of show another insight. Crazy, right? I can't wait for this. This is gonna turn into like a back. I bet you're gonna get like this endurance versus like, strength, like let's argue about what's the best form or whatever, but you're gonna lose. Well, there's people out there that just wanna hold on to it for dear life because it becomes one of those things that's almost like, it's such a ritual and they don't wanna break their ritual cycle by any means. So like they'll justify it because it's like, oh, this has worked for me once so it's always working for me. Yeah, I know, right? I feel like these are the most common questions that we get to are the people that like want to do this but then also want the body and the physique. I mean, we get this every time we do a qualm. I mean, I think that look, there's values in all forms of exercise. All forms of exercise have some value and if you like it, there's nothing wrong with that. Sure. But if you make it the cornerstone of your workout, it'll probably lower your testosterone. You're telling your body to reduce muscle. So that's what's gonna end up doing. Well, I think that's just it. I think there's just a misunderstanding of like the, of how the body adapts to things. I mean, people, all I wanna do this, and I wanna do that, not understanding that they're somewhat conflicting. Like you wanna be this buff dude, but then you also wanna run marathons at the same time. It's like, something's gotta give and whatever you do the most is going to take the priority and the other thing's gonna have to give the most because of that. Yeah, what's always was one of my favorite things as a trainer was to see someone's reaction when I finally got them to listen to what I was saying. They followed it and then the reaction was almost like, this is weird. Why is this happening? Like I'd have female clients who I'd convince them, no, I know your goal is to get sculpted and you want shape. So let's focus on resistance training, but I do so much cardio. Am I gonna gain body fat? No, here's what's gonna happen. And that's great for endurance, but if you're not looking for that, let's do it this way. And I would convince them and then they come back to me three, four months later and they'd be like, this is really weird. Like I'm just getting lean and I'm eating more. Like, why is this happening? It's just like magic. I'm like, this is adaptation. If you tell your body to adapt in a particular way, it'll work for you rather than trying to fight against it. Well, speaking of eating and magic, does anyone get the birthday cake yet from Magic Spoon? I was just gonna bring, like I'm gonna have to order it because like I was eating some last night and it was my last bit of the fruity and I was watching Empire Strikes Back because it's May the 4th, you know? So sit there eating. And I'm like, dude, have we not gotten any birthday cake yet? I was like, did Adam get any with his like 40,000 boxes that he just ordered because I was gonna steal some from you? No, no, all I have right now at the house, which I do, I have 40 something boxes of blueberry and then the fruity flavor, which fruity is now leapfrog for me. So you brought it up a long time ago. Do you just eat one flavor until you get sick of it and have to switch? Did they change the formula? It's like, honestly, that's my favorite. That's why I wanna compare it to the birthday cake because that right now, fruity's still number one. I know I've had some people DM me saying that that they love birthday cake the most. That's why I wanna try it because it, you know, and I like all the other ones, right? So there's very few that I don't like. I'm not a fan of the chocolate unless you're making the peanut butter chocolate. Like rice krispie type treat. I'm not a fan of that one and I'm not a fan of the vanilla, whatever the vanilla one is. I don't know what they call it. Frosted. Thank you, frosted. Those are the only two. I'm not a big fan of the rest I think taste really, really good. But the fruity ones, I would take it, I would love to take somebody and do the, you know, fruity pebble or magic fruit loops or fruit loops and then that, and actually taste test. You can't Sam challenge. It's like, it is that, like spot on flavor. When you guys eat it, you guys typically do two servings? Is that typically? Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a little nice. Sometimes, hearty bowl. Sometimes three or four, bro. Yeah, yeah. Did you guys know fruit loops, each of the individual loops, right? So there's like red and green and purple and whatever, all the same flavor. Do you guys know that? Shut up. They're all the same flavor. They just dyed them different. Just the colors. That's it. They're all exactly the same flavor. The mess with my entire child. Isn't that wild? You know what's wild about it? Is that you could almost swear that they're not because the experience is different when you eat the purple ones versus the red ones or whatever. But no, they're exact same flavor. You trying to tell me that Lucky Charms marshmallows are all the same as well? I think probably. Of course they are. Yeah, they're just food dyes. I mean, it's kind of like an obvious thing, but you don't think about it when you're eating it. Isn't that weird? I read that the other day and I thought about it. It almost makes me angry. It does, right? The color makes it be bamboozled. Bro, listen, you know how many times companies have tried to change the color of the product and fucking sales tank? Remember when you came out with Black Ketchup? Or what was it? Well, that's a terrible idea. What is your association there? Like it's moldy and old. Okay. Well, how about, remember Crystal Coke? Clear Pepsi. Yeah, remember that? I like that one. I don't know why that one didn't do well. Because Black Ketchup makes sense why that's a terrible idea. Like you said, the association with black and food like this is burnt, bad, dead, old, mold. I mean, that's what all is associated with black. That's not good. So that makes total sense. But Clear Pepsi, well, I mean, did Coke and Pepsi do such a good job of branding the fuzzy brown kind of color? Yeah, because cola is brown, right? So like Crystal Cola doesn't jive in your head so people didn't buy it. It tanked. Or you're thinking like the syrup. You ever get like whenever you get like a fast food restaurant or some of that and you're filling up your soda and it's all the carbonation and no syrup. So maybe that's what it is. You're associated with- Did they start going away from because of the red dyes and all that and what they found being so harmful? Well, ketchup's got tomatoes in it. So I mean, do they put red dye or is that the term? No, I'm talking about with sodas. I don't know. But did you guys know that McDonald's has its own patented ratio of syrup to carbonated water for Coke? I didn't know that. They have their own special course. When I was in high school, there was a girl that was like obsessed with McDonald's Coke. Yeah, really? There's a lot of people. She would eat at different places and go through drive-thru to get the Coke from McDonald's just to get it. It tastes different. It tastes different and she would, now this was before I knew this. I was just, we'd always tease her like, why don't you just get the Coke at, you know, Carl's Jr. or the Taco Bell when you're there. She's like, it's different, it's different. I'm like, no, it's not. It's the same brand, but they do, they use a different ratio. They're like the first in the whole food engineering game, like really just going all in. Their fries are like, you can't even touch their fries. No, their French fries the best. There is no French fries as good as McDonald's ever. And my favorite thing about McDonald's is actually nothing to do with their food is their brilliance as far as a business model of being really a real estate company. I mean, to me, that is the most amazing part about what they've done. I mean, how many places do they actually own? Actually, that'd be kind of cool Google, Doug. Let's go Google guy. Doug wants a rest. No, I don't. I want him to actually hit one out the park from here out here. Come on, Douglas. How much property does McDonald's own? Yeah, how much property? You know what one of the largest property owners in the world is? I don't know if you guys knew this. Walmart, the Vatican. Really? Yeah, Catholic Church. The Catholic Church own, because of all the churches that they own. They own them all? Yeah. I didn't know that. They're one of the largest landowners. I didn't know that. Or maybe value, it's either the top value or one of the largest landowners. Huh. McDonald's is one of the biggest real estate companies in the world that owns $28.4 billion worth of land and buildings before depreciation. It also leases the land, the buildings, or both on 15,000 of its restaurant sites. Wow. Very smart. Very, very smart. I mean, we talked about investing in stocks that'll be around forever. That's a perfect example of a company you could buy into and feel really good about 20, 30 years from now. Somebody can come out and beat their burgers and fries. Who cares? Doesn't matter. So you guys might hear something crazy. So we were talking about Black Ketchup and it reminded me of this interesting supplement that I've been doing a little bit of research on. So have you guys, I don't know if I'm saying it right. Have you guys ever heard of the supplement? Shilajit. Shilajit. Have you heard of this, Doug? No. I've heard of it, but I don't know where. Type it in and then go in. Dude, let's go on that one. No, no, no, SH. Today is stumped dog on Google, right? No, no, SHALIJIT. So Shilajit, I think it is. Look it up and then click on the picture. So it's a very strange supplement, but it's been used for a very long time. So this is like one of the oldest supplements or whatever. Where are you when you read something like this? What are you doing? I'm probably on the toilet. No, not that. You're sitting on the toilet. Now where are you physically? Click on the picture of it, Doug. Just so that people can see. Click on the picture of it. Dude. It's a plant? No, it's not. It's okay. So Black Ketchup reminded me of it. So it's like this. They're not gonna find a good picture. Basically, it's like a cream. It's like this black tar, black tarry like substance. Now go back to where you were before when you're looking at the benefits, Doug. It's a seed oil. What it is essentially is it's organic matter from animal implants when they break down. Sounds like poop. It's like you find it in soil and in peat. And it's this organic matter that's like thousands of years old, this breakdown, right? And people will supplement with it or they'll supplement with an ingredient that's in it called fulvic acid. Sounds very strange, right? Believe it or not, fulvic acid or Shilajit has proven. This is crazy. I looked this up. Look at these benefits. These are, by the way, proven by studies. Alzheimer's disease, testosterone, raises testosterone, chronic fatigue syndrome, high altitude sickness. What a weird supplement. Does this have to do with like, you know all the minerals and nutrients from the soil? So like you go further down. It's like black tarry weird soil. Like all we're getting is this top soil that is like less in dense and nutrients and minerals these days now. So it's basically like reintroducing that. It's very strange, right? So like fulvic acid, that's in it. So fulvic acid is a group of chemicals formed when plants and animals break down. It is found in the humus, H-U-M-U-S, organic matter part of soil and peat. And people have been supplementing with this for forever. What a strange supplement. Isn't that weird? Somebody sent this to me and they're like. Did you eat it or what? No, so someone's, yeah. You take it like a pill or whatever. Somebody sent this to me and they're like, hey, what do you think about this for testosterone? And I'm like, huh? So I looked it up and I started reading about it and I came back and I'm like, believe it or not. Dude, what have you been doing? That she-la-jeet, bro. Yeah. Come on, that she-la-jeet. I didn't even know. I was like, believe it or not, studies show it actually raises testosterone. I didn't think I would say that. Interesting. But I looked it up and I found it and it's been used for a long time. It's been used for a long time. There you go. Hey, I hope you're enjoying the podcast. Real quick, the Q and A portion of this episode is brought to you by our sponsor, Ned. 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But I feel like I'm not getting the muscle definition that I want, mainly my glutes or side glutes and midsection. And I was wondering, this was because I'm not eating enough, but also because my concern is my midsection, I was wondering if I should be strict on my diet. I mean, it's already kind of hard for me to eat more, but I was wondering if I need to guess count calories or attract foods and limit fats if my goal is to build more ab muscle or show my abs more. And then I also was wondering if I should be focusing my exercises more on like glute exercises, like adding more glute exercises, more ab exercises, and how would I do that without having to stay at the gym for two hours every time I'm going over there for weight training? Yeah, no, great question. All right, so the couple of things you said that are kind of hints to me that in terms of the advice I'm gonna give you. Number one, if you wanna develop those muscles more, you might need to do a little bit more volume or maybe change up the exercises for them. But one thing you said that was really interesting, you said, I don't know if I can eat anymore. So it sounds to me like you're doing pretty well with your metabolism. You're eating a lot and you feel like you can't eat anymore. So I did, at one point I was tracking macros. I was also downloaded an app, and I finished all to track what I eat. And there were times where I would, I think I stayed between 1,500, 1,400, maybe 1,600 on some days, but it was a struggle and that was more so because I was trying to increase protein. And I've also tried, I've also always been, I guess, trying to stay away from carbs, but that was not helping me when I was weight training, especially on the strength, when I was training more strength because I was lacking energy. So somebody told me I may have to do more carbs, but I'm just, I guess I'm afraid to increase because I always think that I wanna focus on my abs. So I feel like I may gain fat instead of strength, so. Jessica, I know it's very rude to ask this, but for context, can you tell me how much you weigh? 122 pounds. Okay. How tall are you? 5'3". Oh, okay. So it's pretty appropriate body weight. Yeah, yeah. If you're doing resistance training. And it says right there, are you squatting 145 for four reps too? I see that on your notes. Yes, yes. So it sounds like to me that you're pretty healthy, pretty strong, you're a pretty good body weight for your size, but you want more definition, but there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with wanting to go to the next level and lean out or see more muscle definition. But this is, in my opinion, this is where tracking is so important. You're not somebody who's just trying to be strong, fit, and healthy. You want another level to your aesthetics and you want to see definition. And this is where it does get a little more nuanced with exactly where you're at calories and macros. And so I would challenge you to get back onto tracking and to see where you're at. And we would, because here's the thing, you have abs, you have a side butt, it's there. If you want to see more definition, it will be leaning out and dropping body fat percentage. And in order to do that, because you're already in a pretty good place, sounds like you're kind of intuitively eating and maintaining a pretty good place. But if you want to go to the next level, it might take the next level of dedication, which may mean for you tracking, not so much, you need to do more work as far as in the gym, but maybe you just need to do more work around tracking and paying attention to what you're intake. Yeah, I mean, you could literally figure out your average calories and just cut them down a few hundred and you'll probably get what you want, especially now that we know your weight and your strength. Because like Adam said, you're in a really good place to do that. It sounds like a really good place to cut a little bit and then to see that come purely from body fat. Okay, okay, well, thanks. Yeah, no problem. And good job, by the way, it sounds like you're kicking ass. I mean, you were doing a lot of endurance stuff before, but for the last year, been weight training. Your strength is good, body weight for your height is phenomenal. So great job, you're in a great position. Thank you guys, thank you. I'm glad I found y'all. Awesome, no problem. Because you've been helping me a lot. Awesome, thanks for listening. All right, thank you. You know, it's tough with these because when you're talking to a potential client in real life, you could see what they look like. Well, yeah, that's why I have to ask that. You know, I know it's rude to ask somebody their weight context, but I mean, I could kind of tell what I saw. We can see on her notes, right? So she didn't say it, but we can see the notes. So it pops up on the TV screen and it says that she's squatting 145 pounds. I'm like, she's squatting 145 pounds. She sounds like she's eating relatively good. She's full, you know what I'm saying? So I'm like, what's her weight at? She says her weight. I'm like, okay, she's not fat, you know what I'm saying? So she's in pretty, it sounds like she's in pretty good shape, but she wants the next level. And it's like, okay, well, this is where This is where you gotta get the specific. Yeah, this is where tracking is so important. Like, you know, I can maintain even myself, even with all of our fitness knowledge and experience, I can maintain relatively healthy and fit and strong. But if I want abs or I wanna look a certain way, even I go back to tracking. I go back to tracking so I can be very precise about it because when you're trying to get down to that body fat percentage to expose your abs and show separation- Especially when you're for intensity. Yeah. Yeah, a lot more focus on that. Yeah, especially when you're female, like getting down to get like visible abs as a female is actually more challenging than it is for a man. They hold more body fat. So, you know, it would be hard for a woman to get to that kind of leanness without tracking and doing a problem. Unless genetically you were already a very lean person. Right, right, right. Our next caller is Alex from Reno. Hey, what's up, Alex? How can we help you? Hey guys, yeah, I was reaching out. I had a question regarding some programming. So, a little background, a few years ago I got really into backcountry hunting. And yeah, something that just really became a passion of mine. But I've kind of had a hard time programming my training to give me in the best shape possible for that. And, you know, I was a college athlete and I have some experience with training for performance, you know, especially explosive performance. I was a pitcher so that, you know, a lot of the stuff we're doing there is really quick, fast twitch muscle movements. So, I have a good understanding of how to train for that but something I've struggled with over the years that I've realized is, you know, when you're on these long days hiking through the mountains with anywhere from 20 to, you know, 100 pounds in your pack, I find myself burning out really fast within the first couple of hours. You know, I feel great first thing in the morning. But, you know, by like late morning, you know, after a couple of miles in, a man, I find my body is just kind of beaten down and I've had a hard time, you know, getting to a point where I have that kind of all day performance, all day endurance. And so, I was curious, you know, what you guys think would be the best way for me to go about programming you know, my training. I do a lot of strength training. I really enjoy that. I got that from training for sports and college. And, you know, I try to work in some cardio where I can. But yeah, how would you guys suggest balancing out some strength training as well as the cardio, you know, to give me the best shape possible come hunting season? Start building up your work capacity. Yeah, I would say you're always your best bet is to train the best way you could train for specific activities to do more of that activity. So, like if you wanna get good at hiking with weight on your back, I would incorporate more of those into your workouts, like once a week do a long hike with a pack filled with enough weight to simulate what it would be. One of those weighted vests or something. Yeah, because it's, there's a lot of skill involved, right? So you can be strong with weight, you can do squats, you can do all these exercise, which are great, they give you general strength. But there's a lot of skill involved with specific activities, including the one that you're talking about. Now as far as workout programs are concerned, the two programs that we have that would probably benefit you the most would be like MAPS OCR or MAPS Strong. I'm also gonna recommend some supplements to you to help you out a little bit. So if you utilize caffeine, what I would recommend doing is about a month before you do a big hunt is I would wean yourself off caffeine completely and that way you can use it for when you're out and doing your thing. So you're very sensitive to it. And then what you could do is you could have a small dose in the morning and you could have a couple more doses throughout the day and it's like magic. When your body's sensitized to caffeine, it is actually a very powerful drug. And then the second supplement I'll recommend is Cordyceps. Cordyceps are phenomenal for stamina and endurance, especially if you're cold or hot. It's like, it's one of the best supplements for doing that. But in terms of increasing your work capacity, you're gonna wanna simulate what you're doing at least one day a week to really maintain that skill for what you're doing. Yeah, I would echo that, but honestly I'd steer you a little bit more towards Strong because that was one of the main programs where we were focused on work capacity and we're adding that in as more volume in between and in a lot of ways to do that with farmer carries, lots of carries with weight, just getting you the time and experience with having and holding weights and building up that muscle endurance and that grip endurance, OCR is great. But I think in terms of Cardy, you want it to be as specific as possible. So like Sal said with like something like a rucksack or like a weighted vest would be great, but also just carrying things constantly in between your foundational days, I think would have a lot of benefit for you. I'll be even more specific. So if you were a client of mine, you would absolutely, I'd have you run MAP Strong. On that program you have two days where you have these work sessions. One of them I'd have you run exactly how it is in the programming. The second one would be I would ask you to go outside and do exactly this, but I'd be even more specific there. So you know when you have these days where you go out and you go hunt, I don't know what the bouts look like. Do you normally hike for about an hour and a half straight, 30 minutes straight, whatever that is, I'm gonna try and emulate that in your training during the week. I'm gonna say, okay, you're gonna go for this uphill hike, get a backpack that's weighs 80 pounds on your back, go hard for 30 minutes, hour, whatever bouts that you do and do that a couple of times for the day. And that training, I'm doing that at least once per week in your training. And then you have what's programmed already for you and map strong. That I think is perfect for what you're trying to do. Yeah, that makes sense. Cause yeah, a lot of it is, yeah, you're busting your butt up a hill or walking a ridge for, yeah, an hour or two. And then you're sitting down, you know, glassing using your binos for a couple of hours and you get up and hike some more. So yeah, it's definitely a lot of start and stop there, but there are, yeah, definitely, you know, an hour or two of some really intense work there. And of course there's gonna be some days where I totally understand that you just said, it's not feasible to get outside and go do that. This is where it actually makes sense for the guy in the gym who's wearing that vest, walking on the incline up, you know, you see this all the time and I always laugh because it's always somebody who's doing it to lose weight or to build muscle, but you are the guy that actually should be doing this. You are the guy that you are trying to emulate exactly the way you would be training out there or going out there hunting and stuff. So it makes a lot of sense because you want to get adapted to that. You wanna get good at that. You're not doing it because you wanna lose a bunch of weight. You're not doing it because you wanna build a bunch of muscle. You wanna get good at putting a backpack that's 80 pounds on your back and either going up a flight of stairs or going up an incline on a treadmill. So it makes sense for you to be that guy who's in the gym if you can't get outside and go do it. For sure. All right, well, thanks for calling Alex and we're gonna send you maps strong for free. So you'll get access to that. Awesome, I appreciate it. No problem, thanks for calling. Yeah, I can't stress this enough. Like if you wanna get good at a specific skill, then priority in your training, not the only thing you should do because you definitely should do cross training and other things to prevent things like injury and to augment your performance. But the priority should be that thing that you do. You wanna get good at football? You're supplementing everything else around that thing that you're trying to get good at. There is a thing though you have to understand a little bit with this. So this guy is not, he's not doing this professionally. It's not, I mean, it is a sport in a sense, right? So that the sport specificity does apply what you're saying. But I also don't think he's trying to go out and go do three hikes a week out to emulate his hunting season where he goes for two or three months. He wants to probably live a normal life, train in the gym most of the time. Maybe like two or three, like a couple months before, eight weeks, right? Then you start to prepare by doing the specific stuff. Yeah, but I mean, there's definitely like a program like Strong that I think is gonna have tremendous carryover. You're right. Like, okay, so if I had to compare the guy who three months of going out and hiking three or four times a week and with the backpack versus the guy who trains map strong, the guy with the backpack is actually still gonna do better at doing that because it's very, very specific. But the reality of that, who's gonna go really go do that when it's not like your- Well, and I think too, like a lot of times people have the idea that if it's something that requires endurance, like immediately they're gonna go run or they're gonna go walk like crazy miles instead of like loading their body with weight and making them actually hold on to things and their grip, building up that kind of muscle endurance is a totally different objective. And it's just a specific skill. Like you can be great fitness, never hike for 20 miles with 80 pounds on your back, put 80 pounds on your back and all of a sudden it's like, why are my traps on fire? Oh my gosh, it's hurting the skin over here. My knees hurting because you don't have that skill. You never do it. You get adapted to it. Well, that's why I love pointing out too. Cause I mean, we've, I know we've made fun of the guy like that in the gym, right? So, but here is the guy who does- Makes sense. It makes sense. It makes, this is not like, you see people do this a lot, right? They throw the weight vests on, they work out because they want to burn more calories, thinking they're gonna get leaner by doing this or they're gonna build more muscle by having this on there. It's like, no, that's a silly reason to do this. But if you want to get good at training with 80 pounds on your back, that makes a lot of sense. I can't even make fun of the guy with the altitude mask anymore. Right. This is me off. Our next caller is Chris from Minnesota. What's up, Chris? How can we help you? Hey guys, love the show. Love the YouTube stuff. Glad to be on. Thanks. No problem. Listen, in the winter and fall, I pretty much just strength train and my cardio is just walking. I go back and forth between like a couple of lower splits and three days a week full body. But I live in Minnesota and so the summertime, I like to get out and ride my bike, run, but I still love strength training. So I'm just wondering how you might program a couple of days a week for me to still maintain kind of the strength that I built over the winter time here, but still do the stuff I like to do, which is ride my bike with my friends and trail run and stuff. Tell him, Sal. Yeah, no. Tell him, Sal. Yeah. I like it. So, okay, so to be fair, building strength is harder than maintaining strength. However, what you're asking is you're asking your body to do a lot of different things. Some of them are competing. So you're saying, okay, I want lots of endurance, but I also want to keep all the strength that I gained when I wasn't training for endurance. And that's just, it's just not gonna happen. Are you gonna lose some strength? Yeah. Now there's things you can do to minimize the strength loss. Keep a diet that's high in protein. Train appropriately. I would focus on compound lifts, reduce the resistance training because you're doing more running and biking so you don't over train. But the reality is when you're training for lots of different things, you're gonna get a little bit of all of them, but you're not gonna get a lot of any one specific. So, if someone's a power lifter and then they wanna go and learn how to long distance run, they're gonna lose some strength in the power lift, but they're gonna get some endurance with the running. By the way, there's nothing wrong with this. The way you're working out and training your body sounds pretty awesome. It sounds like you cycle through different types of training. You're getting more endurance. Sometimes other times you're getting more strength. That's a very, that's an awesome long-term approach. I think it sounds great that it sounds like you're doing something you enjoy. So I wouldn't worry too much about some of the strength that you lose. By the way, strength comes back very quick. Muscle's one of those things, very resilient. If you gain muscle the first time and then you lose it, gaining it back the second time is a piece of cake. Muscle memory is a real thing, but to keep the strength that you had before while also simultaneously now trying to dramatically increase your endurance, it's not gonna happen. Well, you just gotta lean on that fact that it's gonna come back and then shifting your mindset towards it. So this is a phase where you're focusing all your efforts more on the endurance, you enjoy it and really like it's about just shifting your mindset towards it and knowing full well that when you come back to lifting weights, it's gonna take a little bit of time to regain that strength that you had back, but then you can build upon that. But yeah, it's gonna take a little bit away from that specific adaptation. I wanna go a little bit further on what Sal alluded to that. There are ways to minimize though how much muscle or strength that you potentially lose while training endurance. So I would strength train at least once or twice a week. And then whenever I'm doing any of my endurance stuff, stay fed, get like these, they have these little cool like, this was a big thing for me. This helped me out a lot when I was playing basketball as a young kid trying to build muscle. This was something that I was trying to figure out. I love playing during season time and when the league was going, I would lose all the muscle and then I'd go the other way. And I kept going around and around in the circle. I found what was going on was when I play basketball, I love the game so much that I would get to playing for two, three hours straight and be unfed. And that only accelerated the muscle loss, right? And the body adapting to not needing any more of this muscle. So one of the things you can do to help minimize that, aside from just incorporating one or two days a week of strength training, is making sure that you're staying fed while you are doing any of your endurance sports. And if it's going on for an hour or beyond that, this is where you really want to make sure you have like those go packets or like little sticks of honey that you can take down while you're doing it. This will help minimize how much you lose. Some french fries. Well, I didn't say it, but the truth was I was back then, I was doing rock stars. That's what I was doing. 350 calories of rock stars was what helped mitigate that. So not ideal and healthy. I would recommend a honey instead. Yeah. No, I don't mind losing some strength. It's just, I always find that when I, it's almost like a little bit of a break for me. You know, I live in a place where it's cold. You can't do stuff outside. I love, you know, running. I kind of do my own programming in the fall and winter and go back and forth between up and lower and five by five and stuff like that. I just don't want it to all completely go in the summer. When I come back in the fall, I just, I come back with sort of a new, you know, renewed interest and going back to getting strong, right? So it's just, I just don't want it all to go away. I appreciate the way you train. I think it's great. I think it's a very well balanced, well rounded approach. I think that's great. It probably is healthier to do it that way where you're kind of moving in and out of different goals and adaptations. So keep doing it. No matter what, training appropriately, not overdoing it, not underdoing it, is going to give you better results no matter what. So I would say be, you know, be mindful of that, right? So don't think, oh, I'm going to do as much weight training as I did before and throw all this endurance stuff on. That way I can maintain my strength. It might be too much. It might actually make things worse. Stay fed Chris, stay fed. Well, that's not a problem for me in the summertime. So go for it, but they don't even know. They don't even know. Oh, watch out, man. Thanks for calling, man. Yes, thanks, guys. No problem, Chris. It's like I remember talking to... They don't even know. They don't even know. They're starting to know, though. People are figuring it out. No, they ain't ready. Some people know. They ain't ready. Now they ain't ready. I remember years ago, my brother, you know, he was, I was talking to him about like money and investing and stuff like that. And he goes, man, he goes, listen, here's a deal. I definitely want to be wealthy and invest my money, but I love like spending money and enjoying myself on go vacation. What do I do? I'm like, pick one, bro. You can't do both. Right, right. I mean, you can, but you're just, you're not going to be the wealthiest guy, right? And you're not going to have the most fun. You do a little lovey. There's no hack in there. That's the thing. It's just like, it's, you know, you're just gonna, that's what you like to do. So just keep doing it. But I do want to point out what Sal said. I mean, I love what this guy's doing. I mean, I think this is like... It sounds like he's enjoying himself. Right. This may be one of the most more healthy relationships with exercise that we've got as far as a question. I mean, I heard him say five by five type of training. He's got endurance type stuff. Yeah, that's great. No, I think what he's doing is incredible. And you do, you just, you know, it gets in your head a little bit that you lose. It's because you get married to a look or a type of physical performance. But I do, I will tell you, that was a major, I know it's about to say game changer there. I was a major panty dropper, Justin, that for when I switched over to actually drinking a, so I did, and I know this is terrible, right? So I'm telling the audience that this is a long time ago. We better get sponsored by them at this point. Yeah, well, how often you bring them up? It was the amount of calories that I was consuming because I would, I'd play basketball for two, three hours, sometimes longer because I love the game. And, you know, when I was lost in it. Yeah, you get lost in it. And nothing will speed up the adaptation of losing, you know, and paring down muscle than not being fed and doing long endurance like that. So you can mitigate the amount of muscle you lose by making sure that when you do these long bouts of cardio, that you're staying fed every hour. It's funny, I totally get this mentality too. Like when I was living in the Midwest and Chicago, you just get these brutal winters and, you know, you're huddled in, you're doing strength training, you're kind of grinding your way through. But when the sun is out, everybody's like, there's sun, you have to get outside and you gotta, you know, enjoy that when it's there. Sun's out, bun's out. That's it. Our next caller is Paul from Florida. Hey, what's up, Paul? How can we help you? Hey, good morning guys. I kind of have a unique situation that I'd like to help with. I work three weeks at a time up in Alaska, in the old fields. We have nice gyms, everything we need. The three weeks that I'm off, very minimal, not much equipment. I'm running anabolic and I would like to know how to seamlessly be able to keep up about three weeks home, try to keep as much consistency as possible. Well, you are the exact client why we created Maps Anywhere. Yeah, Maps Anywhere or even Maps Suspension. Right, would be excellent for it. You know what's funny, Paul? A study came out not that long ago where they compared groups of people. Oh yeah, this was great. And one group was very consistent, week in, week out, they worked out. The other group, every three weeks they would take an entire week off. So they go three weeks on, one week off, three weeks on, one week off where they did nothing. At the end of, I think it was a 16 week study, they all built the same amount of muscle and strength. So as long as you stay active and you're doing some form of resistance training, you're gonna be okay. So what does that mean? You got minimal equipment. Well, you could do body weight tension movements. You could do very slow tempo. You could do unilateral exercises that challenge your balance. And you can use things that are very, that take a very little space like bands or suspension trainers. Our MAP suspension program, I think would be perfect for you by the way. If you did three weeks of traditional barbell dumbbell work and then three weeks of suspension work, yes, you are gonna get kind of the staggered effect where you're gonna notice a little bit of loss in the barbell work when you do the suspension work and vice versa. I don't even, but over time. Yeah, I don't need, I wanna challenge that. I don't, over time. Yeah, you're gonna see it translate into a more stable joint when we come back which is gonna increase performance. Well, if you think about it this way, right? The specific skill of like a squat. Okay, so you might, okay, yeah. So you may, you may. But if you do it over a brief window. But over the course of six months or 12 months, you're gonna come out on top. No, you're gonna do very well. You're a perfect person for this. I love meeting somebody who like, when we thought about a lot of the programs, obviously we've trained clients with all kinds of different situations. And although yours is unique to you, we've had situations like this where I have a client that has something where like three weeks I can get barbells and dumbbells and then I gotta figure out something for them the other two or three weeks. So I literally would follow either maps anywhere or suspension, either one of those are fine for the three weeks when you're home and then train the, or the other way around, right? I don't have any backwards. Yeah, then maps anabolic. Yeah, then maps anabolic when you have access to the barbells and the dumbbells. And I just, and what I would do is I, cause since you're going three weeks, I do phase one anabolic, then you would do the, you know, a suspension trainer for the next three weeks and then go to phase two of anabolic, then go three weeks. Absolutely. And then go to just like that. And I actually think you will have phenomenal results and I would love to actually hear back from you if you stay consistent and do that because I have a feeling you are going to get as much if not more out of it than the average person because like Justin was saying, there's tremendous benefits to training suspension trainer. And to what Sal said, the recent studies are showing that you could have taken, you could take a week off and go do it if you're actually doing some body weight, full range of motion suspension training. I've actually always wanted to experiment with that. It's just, you know, our ego gets in the way, I think a lot of times and you start lifting heavy weights and you're like getting close to PRing. And so to be able to kind of force you to then go and have to do this kind of a training where it's going to adjust all the weak points and all the instabilities that are there, I think it's massively beneficial for you. Cool, I appreciate that a lot. It's the balance and everything, range of motion that I've been working on has tremendously helped from where I started. So yeah, it's great. Just the movement that I would keep going in that direction. Excellent, Paul. And if you don't have map suspension, we're going to send you that program right now. Oh, awesome. Yeah, I don't have that one. I've got the anabolic and summer bundle. All right, there you go, man. Thanks for calling in. Cool. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it, guys. You know, sometimes life forces you to train in a balanced way. All right, I know. I actually really hope this guy sticks to this and does this. I'm very curious. I would love to talk to him again in like 12 weeks and hear his whole experience of doing that because I think he's going to have tremendous benefits for that. In fact, I would, like Justin said, I would love to play around with that. Like actually run anabolic and then break it up with either suspension or anywhere and then go back to then phase two. And then at the end of that, see what that's like. That's so hard to do, you know. It is. It's just psychologically. So I think, yeah, just knowing that he has to do it that way, I think is interesting. Excellent. Look, if you like this content, you gotta head over to mindpumpfree.com. We have guides there that'll help you with all kinds of fitness endeavors and they're all totally free. Again, it's mindpumpfree.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram. So you can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin, me at Mind Pump Salon, Adam at Mind Pump Adam.