 All right, I'm going to it's four o'clock. I'm going to call the meeting to order of the town council goals ad hoc committee. And there are no announcements right now. There's no public here to comment. We'll allow that if they show up later. I have sent you a revised version of the goals based on our discussion last time. And in this revised version, I have off to the right included. So you'll see, for example, the very first one, even though it says my name underneath it, it says Ryan and it includes a comment from George. Oh, okay. Okay. So it's not a comment for me, but the only persons I didn't include were Kathy, although I did send you that. And part of the reason I didn't for Kathy is because she also got into changing the order. So what I'd like to do today is get us set up so that we get as far as we can so that our next meeting, which is on the 12th, is our last. Okay, except we might have to meet to approve April 12 or something. So it's April 12 from four to six. And it's in this room. So even though I said in here, let's deal with the order of the goals, the activities in the timeline. I'm open to the discussion as to whether or not what we'd like to do is take the comments off to the right and see whether or not we've dealt with them first so that we can get rid of timelines. The other thing I did not mention when I sent you this latest version is I have now divided it so that every goal has one page. Oh, okay. So we can literally shuffle entire pages when we want to get to the order. Okay, my question is, how do I get this view? I know I'm not seeing any comments anywhere. So I may not have the right to throw in. Sorry. Is this the email I sent you? Yeah, it's the, yes. The 325. Yeah. Maybe there's a three. That's right. No, I'm just trying to figure out how maybe somebody who has this program can show her how to get the comments. I'm going to start just on the side as far as I know. Right, but she, oh, is it just, hers aren't showing. Hers aren't showing? Is it different? Do you see it make it smaller? That's what I just tried. I don't think so. I'm sorry to bother you. That's okay. Folks, I should. This is, this is what I have, which I got from the email. You're small. Because it doesn't like anybody. I think you didn't pull it up in word. So go back, you can go back to Lynn's email. So go back to your email, which is here. You can use the touch screen if you want to touch it. Yeah, I gotta use this. Oh, it's okay. Then just find Lynn's last email to us about this. And the docs are right in there. Dolly jolly. Okay. This one? 328? Mm-hmm. Which one? I don't. It depends on your view when you just got. That one doesn't have the documents. No, the one that I have the documents in. The whole world up. Hang on. Sarah, it's a better document. I just had it because I... As long as it's the document she sent us. Just read the comments out. I'll figure out where we are. Thank you, Sarah. You've got it open to word, right? I can't even find the email now. So, all right. All right. So the first... We're still in the order that we originally had them. Okay. The first one is around master plan. Yes. Okay. And George, you had a comment and it said, have community resources committee once approved create a subcommittee and our working group or ad hoc committee of the council, along with a planning staff liaison to review, review revised master plan and then submit to town council for action. So what I think, first of all, I actually discovered the other day in rereading yet again, a piece, a portion of the charter that the council actually has to have a forum every year on the master plan. That's right. But I really feel like we're not ready to say, oh, we're going to revise it. So my sense is that this fall, the forum that we'll have will be more, let's get as many people who want to be in a room and the council, let's review the master plan in some kind of highlighted way and begin a conversation and do this jointly with the planning committee because the planning board is actually the group that's charged with this. That's right. And yet I think we need to be very active in it and even more active than we have in the school because it's really our master plan. Mm-hmm. So then when I look at what you're saying, George. I mean, this may be assuming that we aren't just a lot farther along than I think, than in fact is the case. And it sounds like I think that's what I got reading Cather's comments too, that this is really presposing that we're just not this far along. We're not ready. I mean, it's going to be an initial discussion. What do we think about it? Where are we doing well or where are we not doing well? We're not ready to start revising and changing things that you've talked about. Is there a problem with the master plan or the way we've implemented it? You know, I think it's going to be that kind of discussion. So let's, regardless of the dates. Right. Okay. Let's go back to the activities. And should we start with a presentation and discussion of the master plan at town council meeting or should we start with a public forum? Interesting. I have a suggestion on that. In the document, you'll have not yet seen the rules. Right. We've looked at how do other towns deal with, when you actually want to wrestle with something that's very helpful, but you're not taking votes. You're at the beginning of the stage. They organize, sometimes they organize a cool town council meeting where they can organize a special session where they call them work session, and they invite other people to be in the room with them to be crisp as up. You know, whoever you think would be helpful in that discussion. And I think it's better than a public forum because of the way the charter has written in public forums. I mean, otherwise a public, the charter... But the public is invited and they can speak. Absolutely. Absolutely. They're not necessarily at the table with you. So it's... So I thought doing that with the council before we have a public forum would get, what have we identified as some big things that we need to talk about, issues, and then when you have a public forum, you'll be leading them. These are things we've been thinking about. We want to get public input. So you don't want the public input at that first meeting that you're suggesting? Yeah, because I think we need to identify at least categories of things. You know, the first three pages are value statements or like the value statements. And so this free forum of the 13 of us we can invite anyone who wants the way I understand how the towns have done it and get the people in the moment who want to have a really good discussion. Not anyone near to coming up with what we want to do. So how about this? So rather than call it something we don't have a term for, we'll just call it a special town council meeting. Yeah, exactly. We call it a special town council meeting. And technically you don't have to have public comment at a special town council meeting. So we could do a presentation and discussion of the master plan, of the master plan at a special town council meeting that includes others knowledgeable about the plan. How's that? Sounds good. Okay. And take away the words including zoning terms, definitions, et cetera, leave that in. When are we having this discussion? Well, let's not worry about when. Oh, okay. Because it seems like we would know those things like that. Okay. I don't know. I'm just trying to get the steps. Then let's get realistic about the steps. Okay. So I mean, it should include terms and definitions. In many ways we don't need to. We can put it there to remember. So then instead of coordinate discussion with community resources committee, because they would be part of this early discussion, maybe the second one is a whole public forum. You can convene public forum about the master plan, including others about the master plan period. Don't even list all these other people. They get listed over here anyway. Right. Okay. Including then community resources committee is here. Okay. And then develop a plan to review, revise, redo, and end or say maybe end or because Kevin has raised. Kevin has raised the fact that he's not comfortable with the idea of redo. And I think it's only if we get to the point we say, you know, this is really pretty good, but we need to do some tweaks or this is not okay. We need to redo. Okay. I see. Because I was going to get rid of redo. And that would be something, by the way, I think that's one of the very first responsibilities of community resources working with planning board. Yeah. And so. I like that. That wasn't why. Because I shoved this all to the end. So it's hard for me to find what I'm talking about. But that was the sequence of reviewing, to think about this. Not necessarily redo it, but we're close to a careful thought about it. And then coming back on pretty darn good except for, or maybe the clause here, whatever that is, had you strongly raised the name, when you read it? I've said that and I've also said there's some things and I don't why. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. There's a few things, you know, on page 50 or page 100, or whatever about the life pages, whatever that first list of things we believe in, you know, the values. So that's where I think, you know, you could be laser-like about it. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. It's not a major throwback sort of. No, I don't feel like it's that. I understand now why redo is there because the possibility exists that we would replace the whole thing. But somehow or other I doubt that. Right. So one of the possibilities just to back up here is develop and approve a plan to review, revise, and or redo the master plan. And this would be community resources, planning board, and then town council. And then that takes care of the issue that Evan raised. I'm not sure it has to be a complete redo. I think that's true. Does it take care of the issue you raised, George? It doesn't, though. Let me tell you why. Notice up here, we call at the very thing under responsible parties committees, we have something we call a master plan steering committee. And I think we need to take it out of there. But the question is, is this, is there a group that at some point begin implementation when we begin, again, don't pay attention to the goals, to the dates. Under begin implementation, is that a community resources, planning board, and then this other group? Okay, okay. Yeah, I don't think we need another one though. We might bring other people on to, you know, might not be that a group like X has two people and one with two people who are suspicious. You know, you could, you can do it anyway you want. It's a working group dealing with a particular plan. And then the way in an order of responsible parties and committees through community resources right at the top. Working with, you know, whatever that happens. Put planning board first though? Yeah, I think it should. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Does that really matter? You know, maybe I could take out Conservation, Commission, Energy, and Climate. Take out except, except for planning board and community resources. Maybe, and town council, maybe you don't want to try and name others. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to keep in mind. Sure. And just say others as required. Yeah. And as... There's many other groups. I think of what we do that cuts across everything. So at least, you know, this subgroup that's thinking about everything like get someone from that to, you know, get that direct link to that group. And be part of the subgroup, you know, like as opposed to the nine members of that group. Right, right. You know, someone from that, so I think it's also a very different thing to create as a limited number of people. Okay. What do you think? Well, I'm just thinking once we reach this stage, whenever it turns out to be, actually sort of implementing it and trying to see whether, you know, overseeing it, reviewing it, advising it, what do you want to call that? Does it make sense to have some kind of ad hoc committee of the council? Just sort of like a subcommittee of the council that's charged with that specific task? Or do you feel that somehow the community resources committee, however they figure it out, will be able to keep an eye on this and we don't really have to worry about it? And or the president? I think between planning and the community resources, you've had enough. If you start, the ad hoc committee of the council is like, well, why do we need ad hoc? We have community resources. This would clearly become a main thing that we're going to do. Right. It seems like the essential aspect of them, of their work. Some things are flowing to them in a more than way for them. And so what are the, it got wiped out because Fischer proposed $15,000. I mean, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. Christie. Yeah, that's true. Spending $50,000 to hire someone to be a facilitator to work on the master plan. That got wiped out of the budget. Well, did we wipe it out or did we put it off to a year or two later? A year or two later, but particularly the way it was done was interested in wanting to pay a hundred percent of the budget. Right. That's right. But anyway, there isn't money in the budget for that, but I think beginning in this way is really good to get on the table whatever the whole thing. No, that for sure. Okay. So, George, by saying under Begin implementation of the plan to review, revise, and, or review the plan to review, revise, and, or review the plan to review, revise, and, or review the plan to review the plan to review, revise, and, or review the plan to revise, and, or develop a new master plan. Under that, if we say a subcommittee if desired, we're doing that under activities that includes other, others, period. If desired. Does that take care of your comment? Well, you're putting it now under activities not under responsible parties. I'm really more focused on responsible parties. I want to know who's actually, no, I'm putting on, I'm putting on, I'm putting on fire if this is not, if this is just sitting somewhere and not getting anything done. I'm putting it under responsible parties. And the thought is that we don't, one argument is we don't really need it because we have the committee resources committee and this is a central part of their work and you have the planning of board. So you may, it sounds like people are saying you don't really need another entity to be quote unquote responsible and I could live with that. But, by the time we get to actually doing a whole process where we redo our revised master plan, the community resources committee may have, may decide along with planning board that, you know, we should really have a steering committee for this master plan. So that's, and if I say if desired, then that's. Sure. I mean it just puts out the possibility. But I think the possibility exists without the extra wording, but that's, you know, minor. That would take, that would do that anyway probably. Yeah. I mean if you find out and that you're into this or two years into it that we need something like that. We would just create it so I don't feel. We don't have to prejudge what it might mean because we really need to know. I mean I can understand the desire to do that, but I don't. So for me, I mean, basically I mean it's not to you, I can go either way. No, don't mean paying attention to the, I mean obviously we're in a group, but they're the ones I would go to and say, what's going on? Right. Fine, I can look. So in other words, don't include it. Don't mention the sterility. I'd say don't. Let's lay it out. All right. And then the, then by, so don't, again, don't look at the dates. So now we've held one form in the fall of 2019 and now we have a form on master plan. So maybe we don't, well we have to have a form. The public form. Maybe the form is what kicks off the planning process. Oh, that's, yeah. Public form. What's good about that, Lynn, is that the public is coming in early. They're not coming in after there've been so many meetings and all this other stuff that we already know what we want to do. There, we're really trying to get them in there fairly. There's the discussion where we're learning and, and then bringing the public in feels critical at that point. And I'm going to take off the words planning and zoning. Okay. I don't think they're in the charter that way. No, it's just on the master plan. So, so just in summary, basically we're saying sometime in the fall of 2019, we're going to have a town council special meeting. So I'm just going to say fall. Yes. Okay. Sometime soon after that, we're going to convene a public form. That's fall. Okay. Then, excuse me, that's town council. I'm doing all this. I know. I'm counting on you. We had a very good discussion with the master plan. And Lynn has all the notes. Okay. And then, that's all you need to do. And then, then we develop, then, after that discussion, develop and approve a plan to review, revise, and, or redo the master plan. And that goes back to the planning board for the planning board for the planning board for the planning board for the planning board for the planning board with the community resources. And I think planning board has to go first. And then when you like this. Yeah. You know. I'm getting one. What I'm thinking is there's there's two clear activities in the fall 20 and 90. Right. Then there's the beginning of 2020, which ends in something at the end of 2020. So you're giving people the sense that this isn't the crooked derby. Yeah. This is, as you said, Then there's a deliberative process that's happening with this group that's meeting, and there's another public form, again, in 2020 that presents what we've done, in a sense. Where we got to, it gets input before it's not a decision, but if you can divide it, there's those lines going to a cost, so it doesn't look like somewhere between 2019 and 2020 Right, so develop and approve a planned review, having that sometime in quote winter 2020, and then begin implementation of the planned review and revise sometime in spring. No, again, I think fall. Fall 2020. Let me go back up to develop and approve a plan, I think we should do that by spring, and then have begin the implementation and have the public forum in fall 2020. And that's town council. Remember, if we're not ready to take this to the council on the 22nd, that's fine. Okay, next one is around zoning. And again, you notice I have both George's and Evan's comments here. And the reality is this really can't happen until... You're really trying to revise your zoning in light of your master plan. Yeah. So you are reviewing your master plan, it seems like you're going to, unless there's some very specific things that, you know, really don't involve the master plan or it's so obvious, blah, blah, blah. It doesn't be a problem how to do this in the next year. It's just one of the... Planning board has a subcommittee of people, and since last summer, they've been working. I saw a witness a week ago or two weeks ago, and I said, when you were talking then about bringing a proposed recommended set of things, my name is coming. And she said, well, I heard from Paul, and then you go slower, because you guys were ready yet. You know what I mean? The Council of Conservation, they just said, within six months. So we're thinking that they'll come up with some recommended report, and she has already reported it. So what I saw was, you know, a memo that had a whole list of possible things on it, with no judgment on what would be in it. But some of it was... So my only comment was that planning's got something that works, so sooner we understand what they're thinking. There's not us over there. So let me suggest that I think the zoning bylaws are going to fall into two categories. There's going to be the ones that are so obvious now that we need to take care of them. Then there's going to be the other ones that we're going to say, you know, I think this really depends on our master plan. And so for the time being, we're going to let this bylaw exist, or we're going to do a slight modification, but let's label it up front. Now you're on bylaw review. Yeah, but not zoning bylaw. I mean, it's very interesting. I'm not actually looking at the zoning bylaws. I'm looking at the bylaw group doing that. That's what I... Is it this planning board? Yeah, and I think... I mean, initially, with the bylaw review, they also looked at zoning, but now it's gone to planning. I tried talking with the group about that, and it seemed that they felt that's the way it should be, but I feel like the bylaw review committee... There is a point at which we meet with the zoning review committees and then look at it and kind of come together around both. That zoning is very short. I know, I understand that. When I watched them do their quick review, it had about five orders of changes. It didn't get into any zoning. No, and I think that's what the planning board is supposed to be doing. But I do think that there needs to be some way... To make sure that something substantive didn't change. Yeah, I don't think anything substantive has changed in the zoning bylaw because I think it was pretty clear. And I'm assuming, and I can... I'm going to arrange with Paul to meet Christine. So I can talk to her about where they are with it. But it seems to me that the bylaw committee that is really giving over. And that may be fine. I'm just... Where is it? Yeah, discussion... Let me see. They're going on a field trip. I wish I were. Incorporate those zoning bylaws identified by town council into the master plan review and revision. And that's following the presentation and discussion of zoning bylaws at the town coordinated by, with the bylaw review identification of. So it seems to me we... We have to be... It's not clear who's doing that presentation. And it would be great if it were my committee, the bylaw review committee, because I would like to really look at some of these zoning bylaws. And understand it. I understand. You know, I'm probably giving myself... They're just... One is just a simple review. Yes, yes. Right, I understand that. There are two tracks. Yes. I thought they really voted on those really soon, like in December. They went to a meeting where there's a simple document. I'll do a double check. You know, they were... You know, a whole bunch of people were really worried that there were major changes in the zoning law as opposed to those... Right. That should be part of the document. But part of what we're doing as the regular bylaw is to look at ones that we feel for whatever reason, anyone on the committee. We've, you know, we've adjusted the language and everything, but we have questions about when we share with the council to highlight some of those. And I think that needs to be particularly done around zoning, too, as part of this. That's not exactly what I'm saying, but I think we're on the same track. Okay. So we're trying to divide this into two categories. Right. One is hope... Considered to be relatively simple or non-controversial or... I said basically identify... Low-hanging... Yes. Identification of zoning bylaws. The town council would like to review and change prior to the revision or redo and a redo of the master plan. Excellent, yeah. And identify those that may need further revision upon completion of the master plan. Mm-hmm. So... And we would... I'm saying we would do that in the fall. So the two... The committee's involuntary. Let's just jump to responsible parties for a moment. Planning board. Mm-hmm. Planning board. Parties for a moment. Planning board. Mm-hmm. Community resources. Mm-hmm. Bylaw review. Yes. Just let me ask you a question. Pressure to try to... Yeah. Yeah. Goals. I totally agree. And we're not setting a goal, but if we try to do it that fast, we might not be able to really want to do it. You know, we don't even have time to think about it. So we're in power to be by the fall. So there's two of great things in our zoning law. I mean, what would be... Where would we get that knowledge? I'm assuming we get it from the planning board and the bylaw review group. Mm-hmm. You know, the planning board would pick it out if there were one reviewer. Right. You know, if you were going to start anywhere, here would have... Right. We could... Housekeeping things that would be low-hanging. You know, they had a few things, but should we make that both downtown and larger? You know, the minimum size. You know, they had things like that in the middle east. Okay. You know, should we include your zoning law and then they had some little ones? You know, should we define what an offer would be if it had only an ATM machine? Is it... You know, I mean, they had some... And then they had orders for the whole program. Right. So they had... That should be it. Little ones and big ones. So I'm asking them to go through it and try and check out what we call low-hanging fruit and present that to the council. Come with a subset. Mm-hmm. There's other ways. I don't know what you're doing. I don't know what you're doing. I can... We can't do it. Right. It has to be somebody who really knows this stuff. Someone who's really close to it. And then we would all have to agree it's low-hanging fruit that we wanted to be suggested. But it might be low-hanging fruit. The wonder might be... You know, so in any... But at some point, this fall, we have to deal with all by-laws. Right. That's right. Whether they're zoning or non-zoning. Right. Okay. And so... Let me try this. Okay. First activity would be presentation and discussion of zoning by-laws at Special Town Council meeting. Coordinated with by-law just at Special Town Council meeting. And then I have the responsible parties being planning board, by-law review, ad hoc. By-law review isn't ad hoc. It's just by-law review. It's a year-long meeting. You're right. Right. Okay. And Town Council. Then I have identification of zoning by-laws that we would like to review and change prior to revision and redo of the master plan and those that we want to hold. And then we have a meeting. Stop. Yeah. Just stop right there. Do we do a field trip? Or do we have the field trip? I think it will come later after we're looking at it in the bigger picture, right? I actually wonder if the field trip shouldn't happen first because then we have a reference for looking at the by-laws. It's kind of different. We've gone to see what... How about it between the special meeting and the time we identify? I like that. This gets really tricky because now I have to add a line in here. I'm so glad I wanted to go on a field trip. Above. Okay. Conduct a field trip around town. I tried to work for the field trip. That's kind of a field trip. Here. Paste. And we're going to do that in the fall of 2019. And that's also going to be with the planning board. I think the zoning board is going to come in here somewhere. Yes, that better... This initial field trip is we're tracing around town and someone said this part of town which means at quite a distance. Notice you just moved a quarter of a mile over here. And now this is... It's so intuitive. Whatever. And you know, if you came up to us and what they and us had to have a whole part of the zoning board really with that co-housing for anything because nothing like it existed and we had to figure out how to be able of that thing. So someone would say we have this in our home that allows cluster housing and the property that otherwise would have had to do. You know, I think that's good because it's... You'll notice this doesn't exist in many parts of town. Right. Because we do want to be... We allowed it to exist here. We allowed it to exist here. And we tried it and we liked it. And then we let number two come in and we were tempted to have one of them. But this was not a pre-zoned for this. Right. Okay. So that would be good. I mean, why is this in the town and what that and this wouldn't be like... So it does seem that at some point we have to take up those on-in bylaws we think we can go ahead and change. Right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And we have to do that in the fall because this is the bylaw review thing. That's right. Okay. And then just... I mean, there is a little substance so if they're going to... it was cleaning it up because they don't have so, like, boarded on that town meeting anymore so, yeah, all the bylaws took reference to the bodies that were in there. Yeah, that's... that's been mostly done. Yeah, so that's been mostly done. So if... if Zodian was planning on using more than we should get an early alert because... Well, I don't think they can change a zoning bylaw without it coming to council. Can they? Yeah, they can. Yeah. But, I mean, if they even envisioned making that part of their first initial bylaw review, it hadn't been discussed that way. It was a really long process going on. The things that they've been doing on visual ideas, people talking about them and doing the subset of sooner than later, so it wasn't that in the first point in time. Yeah. You know, maybe they've got a feeling that they want to move faster. Yeah, but I don't... Yeah. Okay, so then, so we get done, we... we have our first special meeting. Okay, it's our primer on zoning. We go on a field trip. Good. Oh, my God. That's why that building happened, okay? Then we come back and we say, you know, these are pretty clear, okay? And we should act on those, okay? And but these are much more complicated and will be informed by the master plan. Yeah. Okay? That's all in the fall. Yes. And then late in the fall before December 2nd, mm-hmm. We revised those by... we adopt revised proposed... I mean, this needs to be revised. I'm comfortable with this as well as the function is we actually find easy to do widely agreed on something. We don't find it. I don't want to make a change. Then we basically say there aren't. Yeah. Yeah. So as long as we say there is this bucket that we think there might be a bucket for that. Okay. So sometime in the fall... There's no guarantee that we'll have to change anything. We adopt proposed revised bylaws, identify this and... And the... It's interesting. This very last activity is actually written completely backwards. The town, the master plan informs upon completion of master plan review and revision. Upon completion of master plan review revision slash redo review those zoning bylaws identified by town council prior to revision of the master plan? I think upon the completion of the master plan review and revision you would need a body, somebody and not the council as a whole to go through zoning and think about it. Think about zoning in light of this new revised master plan. Some entity would have to do that. Right? It won't be done by the council. That would be the planning board. Well, it could be a planning board. It could be a planning board combined. I mean, that's part of my note on the side there. And it may not be applied, but I think you're going to need a group of people to go through it and look at it from the point of view, okay, here's your master plan. Here's your zoning. Where are some issues? Where are some problems? And it makes some recommendations. And then the council will have to look at that and decide. But I don't think you can just, you know, but you're right. You have to do the master plan first. And then we look at zoning in light of that. The question is who does the looking? And it won't be the council. We will not have, individually, time nor the expertise to do that. It would be the planning board. Well, it certainly would be them. And you could just leave it with them. And then they come back to us and say, okay, here's what we think. I was thinking it might be fruitful, but again, this may be totally naive or just a non-starter. But this town does have a number of people. They're really good at this stuff. We don't work for the planning department and our citizens of Amherst. And you could create some kind of body that would take an independent or fresh look. They would not have any kind of, and they don't make the decision, but they would bring, I think, considerable expertise and experience to these broad issues. And they would make some recommendations. So you could just leave with planning. You could take something like I have in mind and combine the two. Yeah. I really like your idea of having an independent group and I think on several levels. One, it is a fresh eye. And the other part is again, around transparency. So things aren't happening in the planning board and here and there. Even if, no matter how publicly make it, but here there's this separate committee that looks at the work that's been done, looks at the master plan and offers recommendations. So why don't... And we had, I like this, but if we had, that we could be a small group, as she said. We know not just things but in other places, in terms of, some type of white paper, a background paper. We have these, this vision in the master plan, we're not giving results to them. Why is it, you know, where's... But they would be an environment of the panel. It's getting some results. We really like the lighting of the town and the town character. They did some dominoes. But soon, it's moving through. This is what we really want. What's not happening. It wasn't just... I mean, people, we've got a lot of people who have had planning experience. I've had this, that could help us know things that we wouldn't... Right. They would bring a considerable experience and expertise. Now, the challenge would be very clearly agree as to who those people should be. And that may become, it may become impossible. And where they were free because they love the town, you know, which is, we don't have, we can't say, you know. Oh, no. This would truly be, if you could do it, it would be a service. But the other issue is, can you get through the appointments process? Yes, you can. Trust, OK. Damn. OK. Well, I know, I know. George, you can do it. OK. But anyway, that's my thought, is that some kind of would be helpful. But you could just leave a plan. And you also may have a problem with planning. Planning may not be happy with having some independent body do what they see. So, what we chose to do at the last, when this came up, just earlier, was not dictated. Yeah. Just leave it blank. That led it to the plan and leave it blank rather than say, who is this other group out there? You already start people out there. By the way, this thing is much more than most people would do in setting goals. Most people would do the first column and then let the rest go. I can't do it that way because I have to. Well, I'm grateful for this. I'm just a planner. Yeah. And, you know, I want to see a plan that says, what do we have to do to get there? So, let me try the following on you. Okay. And make sure that you read the comments from Evan, from Ryan, I'm sorry, George. Right. And, Mandy Jo. So, the planning board should be, of course, that's absolutely right. And then ignore mine because I've already written something else. Okay. So, here we are. This is the, the real question is, have we addressed their comments? Okay. Right. Okay. So, this is zoning. To review, discuss, and develop a plan to revise zoning regulations consistent with the adopted master plan. Maybe that goal has to be restated. Restated? Just repeat again. You said, review, the goal, review, discuss, and develop a plan to revise zoning regulations consistent with the master plan. Maybe we don't want to say consistent with the master plan. Because, could I get a little more on that? Because, no, let me just take that back. The argument was, once we have the master plan shaped, then we go back and fit the zoning. The only thing that doesn't fit is those goals, those zoning bylaws that we said already could be do now. Review, discuss, and develop, review, discuss, and develop a plan. Why don't we just say review, discuss, and revise? Well, develop a plan allows you, at least, to the thought that you could create a white, by the way, kind of independent entity or you could not. It's not regulations, it's problems. In light of whatever changes we've been to the master plan, basically what you're doing, now that you've got this master plan, hopefully settled on, you want somebody, something, some entity to go through it in light of zoning and bring it into conformity. Really, you're trying to bring it into conformity with your new master plan. So, zoning, review, discuss, and revise zoning bylaws. To bring them into conformity with? Is that too much? No, it's... Or in light of? Again, I'm back to that two-stage thing. Well, this is now stage two. Stage one, you've already, I thought you dealt with by saying, you know, what's solicit, you know, low-hanging fruit tie, how are we phrasing it? Low-hanging type. You know what? This goal is going to have an A and a B. Review, discuss, and revise zoning bylaws, A, that, what did I say, lower below, that are ready for action without for action prior to adoption of the master plan. Mm-hmm. That's A. Phase one, or A, I'm sure. And then B is upon completion of master plan review and revision, something like that, right? Or the adoption? Upon adoption of, you know, the new master plan or the master plan, to, what, revise? Whatever you say. I would say. And develop and discuss and revise. Right. Yes, zoning bylaws. Are her revisions coming up on your, I'm not saying her revisions. No, you're not. We do have, look at Sarah, this is where it is. You know, we're going to have a share point when we do the next, the last meeting. Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah, yeah. Well, see, I wouldn't do it with a share point. I would just do it with a projector off of this. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I actually don't like share point. Okay. So this is what I'm saying is, oh, Pat, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you'd left us. The goal is zoning, review, discuss, and revise zoning bylaws. A, that are ready for action prior to adoption of the master plan. And B, and that's where I'm struggling. That, okay, that. And B, that upon completion, do you want to, upon adoption of the master plan that were identified? I don't know. Whatever. I'm going to, I don't know. I'll look, I'll look for words there. So basically what that now says, so then this is fall. 2019 to through 2020. Through 2020. Exactly. And yes. And I've got planning board, bylaw review ad hoc, it's not ad hoc. Bylaw review committee, I think it is zoning board of appeals. We're dealing with zoning. See, I would think you would bring them in. I think they should be there. Yeah. So, you know, they come, hey, we're constantly dealing with people who want to have buildings closer to the street. Well, guess what? People don't like that. So I have a planning board community resources committee, bylaw review committee. Conservation. I took conservation and energy because now you're getting the point. Name them all. And then town council. So then the first real activity is present, presentation discussion of zoning bylaws at special town council meeting. Fall 2019. I've got planning board, community resources, zoning board of appeals, bylaw review, town council. Then conduct field trip around town, hold workshop, hold workshop or just conduct field trip. Well, I think they should be connected. Yeah. I do too. And it's more than just a field trip. Yeah. I want us to come back together and reflect on what we've seen and listen to our differing points of view. I'm sorry. I don't know. I have people. So we'll call it workshop for the time being. Same group. Then we have this one where we split them into two piles. And then we adopt those that are ready. And that's all done in the fall of 2019. But before December 2nd. And then we review and recommend revisions to zoning bylaws upon completion of the master plan. And that's a TBD upon completion of the master plan. And that's the town council. We're going to come back to that. I can't say when that's going to be. And then review and adopt. Oh, that was review and recommend revisions. And that would go from the planning board and then review and adopt those zoning bylaws identified during the master plan review and revision. And that's the town council. And we have the two goals and the activities of the special towns. So it doesn't promise to review the code, but might be more substantial. And the other thing on no time this with the exception of the planning. We easy work. Just clean up first. We kind of do the work and then to the council. The bigger ones. What are you thinking about? We do filter through the community. Um, You know, we can only handle our lives to just pay off. And the council. You know, why we're doing this. What would it look like if we did it? You know, so I like the idea that a separated. Even know. Exactly. Which is what we're doing. So, look at the comments again. I'm just, so I'm mainly saying that you and your activities are saving money. So, I think we've taken care of Evans. Mm-hmm. The Citizens Committee, we've decided that's getting into more detail than we're missing. Right. I agree. I just seem to be some sympathy for this at some point, but it's way too early. Right. So, George, look at your comment and see if we've taken care of it. I think you have. Okay. And then we go down and Evan had one. One's playing board an opportunity. Playing board an opportunity, and we did do that. We had that. Okay. Kathy, I want you to be looking at, and Mandy Jo said. She wants to know whether this is a. Yeah, it has to be a form. Okay. So, but now I want to know, Kathy, whether we've taken care of all of your suggestions. Five o'clock Friday afternoon. Why are we all here? Why are we all here? What's wrong with you? Get out of here. Excuse me, but you could have shown up with the cocktails. You realize we're on tape gang just so we know. Thank you for your service. Yes. I like. He's out. I don't blame a man. Yeah. I didn't feel like I was. You know what? So it's like, don't struggle. But only the idol. They went with whatever man were saying. I want the planning staff. Some of the activities is credit providers examples. I'm going to look outside our own box to watch what happens. I just want to get. I don't want to make a change. I don't want to be on a passive end with someone. It's argument part of their idea. And I have not enough knowledge of my own. So I just my activities were that maybe what could help us look outside of your idea. George. There's some people in town that say you really should look at. What are you doing? You know what? You know, we're not. We're not sure. I think they're like why are we not getting. How do they protect farming? How do they still have a green zone in town? What are you so they worry about? And they'll give you just no likes in many states. We only have a few places in Massachusetts that do this. The developer has an idea of people who are not very alive. But it will require a major public investment. We work with them. They share the costs. And there's something in their zone called the impact. I asked Chris Bishop, how do you know that? Best drug. What? Best drug. I asked you. Well, Chris. I asked Chris. What? You film is for the kids moving in. It reaches really far as opposed to really doing the sewer system. Really putting wires in the street. And developers take this bill. And I made it like the public sector that paid for those costs. So they can develop it. So it's a major change. We've got the Cape Cod has it. So I was trying to see who has it and who has it. But it's only Montana film. It has it everywhere. Montana. Another reason to stay out of Montana. I think there are these bigger ideas that we don't necessarily want. We have to think about that. Generally speaking, we need to think about all of this. I just want to make sure the way we write this would be on zoning. We're getting input. We're not selling out. But again, that's the kind of detail that, you know, could go. Could be developed by the planning board. Right. Writing that into the plan. Okay. Okay. I don't think, I don't think we need to have something in this plan. There's goals about, we're going to do this right. We're not going to do it better. That's what you're saying. It's under the activities. If you show that we're marching in a series of considered steps. Right. Right. And so far that seems to be the case. But I agree. Right. We see something troublesome. Okay. So let me, in the interest of, because I'm beginning to already realize we need at least one other meeting. Yeah, we do. So let's go on to, we'll come back and look at these when you get an extra vision. Zoning the goal by law review. Now Pat gave me this, what to fill in here and Pat, I've made one change. Okay. And that is, I've actually made two changes rather than say, September, whatever I say, summer or fall or whatever. But under by law review, complete and adopt the general and zoning bylaws. And then I see imprints, see zoning by law goal. So rather than this one, that one, whatever. Then I've left in all of the ones that you recommended as activities, except the very last one I just say, adopt recommended revised bylaws. That's fine. Same. Yeah. And this is, and the only thing I've done is change all the ones that said August to summer. Yeah. And I've changed the very last one to fall. Fine. Okay. All right. And in this case, it's by law review committee and town council. Right. And it's in truth, looking straight at the bylaws. We're not talking about zoning now. We're moving really quickly. Yeah. I mean, they'd already had six revisions when we got started. Right. Okay. On this next one, which is budget and fiscal. We have two comments, one from George and one from Amanda Joe. So let's read those comments. So finance committee is there. And that's good. I thought JCPC should be there, but maybe not. There's a whole separate goal on capital. Okay. And, but no, there is a goal on capital. Okay. Let's look at goals. There is a goal on capital plan. Plan slash projects, adopt a cap comprehensive capital plan. So I don't. So let's, let's just, this is just budget. Yeah. Okay. But should I include JCPC? Yes. Okay. So finance committee. Okay. For towns committee, budget coordinating committee, audit committee and town council. Yes. Okay. Okay. Um, that takes care of George. Your comments. Okay. Then, um, Mandy, Joe, I think it was in the same category as you. I would add this to the capital public hearings in the fall for the residents. Interesting. Excuse me. The JCPC capital. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um, so, I think this would be an aspirational movement earlier. So Mandy is suggesting I would add capital hearings in the fall. So residents request and come in really early on. You know, people get to look at what, what the town manager came to, to wipe that out with what I was doing. Wow. No, you're not going to get four trucks this year, you're going to get, you know, so, but the end is common, I think we could signal it here by the way of knowing that earlier and separating from the regular budget process. And I'm not talking about the buildings now, I'm talking about, you know, each year fixing that, you know, that, Jason, that part of budget. So, we're getting a way to make this sure. Yeah, well, so remove above where it says convene, so just look at these various things. I added joint capital planning out under convene public forum and hearing on capital expenditures. We have to do that in May June. Okay, I have to still set the date for that. We have to review and recommend revised timeline for public recommendations to JCPC. Yeah. I think we should do that no later than summer of 2019. Right. I didn't put these in, but in summer, it would also be weird reading with fall, we would have to excel, you know, in schools and libraries. So, before we can establish the budget policy guidelines, it seems to me like there has to be some kind of discussion. And that discussion should be with the town manager and the budget coordinating committee, shouldn't it? It is, and in the past, there was a four board meeting at fall. Yeah, well, there could still be a three board meeting. Yeah, and but it was the library to, but it was the town, some of them at fall, so you know, our best skills that make sure it's right. Right. And that went, and that's where the guidelines then came out of that, you know, the best skills of the board. So that comes in somewhere. And the budget policy guidelines have a two-step process. The town is first convening, the public meeting, talking about our best skills of this, and then finance is kind of up here. I think that's a good idea. So that would be, so that's another one. Presentation and discussion of projected revenues. That would take place in the fall. And just before this one, we had established the FY 21 budget. Yeah. Right. Just before that. Right. Yeah. Right. And what happened this year, this one, to the two meetings, is that happened in finance that that afternoon, the next day, they gave them what that was here to draft. You know, they went right to work on what they had just heard, because they were also getting the results. Kickoff. Yeah. Kickoff. Kickoff. Yeah. I don't know what. I agree. You know, it's two sentences. But, you know, finance, you're doing a huge amount of this. Right. And then we're going to close everything. Okay. So in this, up above, under parties, don't even worry with the date. You just added JCPC. Yeah. I've added JCPC. I've added under convene public pouring hearings and that's getting done with what we had to do into that for this year. Then I have a new one called review and recommend revised timeline for public recommendations to JCPC. That would be during the summer. And that's JCPC in town council. Right. Is it JCPC and finance? We're not a subcommittee of finance. Okay. Presentation and then a new one presentation and discussion of projected revenues fall 2019. That's town council school committee library board. See the finance committee used to be the other committee, but the reality is the finance. Oh, the finance committee is the town council. So. So, right. Even when it was separate, that's an entire committee. Yeah. Yeah. They're pretty much there. Right. They're reporting out. Right. You know, the tax assessor has just told them. Right. The revenues. Right. They're giving their best guess of states. Right. So they usually will. They just used to do it for the town manager before fiscal report. And then the last one is in fact, establish FY 2000 budget policy. So the only thing I feel like I feel like we need to put in here is something that the citizens, I mean, the budget coordinating committee does. Right. That's. You know, in other words, there used to be it was to me when I was asking people, it's kind of like a really cool conversation. And what I think is that they didn't seem to be much of a decision-making party. And when I first read the trial article, maybe this was a really discussion to our schools to share how the disaster happened. You know, whatever. Okay. We took care of that. Do you want me to find out something truly controversial? Go for it, girl. Review and recommend revised timeline and guidelines for. No. No. For. Community preservation. I don't think we can put it in here. Let me tell you why. No, first of all, I think they got delayed this year because of just the change. Sure. But. Community preservation act. I think it's very. Minimally understood by most people. It's actually our tax dollars. Yeah. Okay. And it's, it's a state. It's a special pot created by the state. And there are special requirements around. What it can be spent for. Okay. And then open space and housing or some such. Okay. So. It literally is a pot of money that you and I pay into. And there's a committee that gets together and it's prescribed by state law. Right. And they review everything from, should we spend this money on. Backgrounds. Okay. To should we spend this money. To preserve a historic collection of costumes. And there's a whole part of me that says you should be choosing those things that have the most impact on the most people. And then the other thing is. That as we as a town have tighter and tighter finances. Having that pot. Having that pot be used more and more for. Something that is part of capital and as part of. You know, the regular, the town, instead of just being this. Pot of money out there. That people think it's just like. Free cash. And I'm like, it's not free cash. I paid for that. And, and, you know, I'll give you an example. In the past. I know that there is a house. On North East street. That that money was used for $200,000 of it. To keep that house as historic preservation. Is that the simple gifts farmhouse? No. It's a different. No. It's the one. It's that brick house on North East street. That behind it is the Chawatties. Big. McMansion. Okay. Oh, yes. And I'm going. Why? What good was that? I mean, I believe in historic preservation. I'm not, that's not my issue about historic preservation, but it's like. For who? These all come to us. Yes, they do. Yes, there was. I was at the meeting yesterday. Yeah, both of us and Dorothy was too. And it did seem to me that there was more emphasis on housing. This time. This time than probably other times. So. And the reality is, I think, I think there's a required 20% has to go to recreation. 20% has to go to. So, okay. And I don't know what. I'm assuming you're accurate. Maybe we need to start with just because that's not how they were. We need to have a special town meeting, a special town council meeting on CPAC. I don't know if I would. Well, at least a one hour session. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Again, it's not a voting thing, but what it is and the reason. Because I can say, wait a minute, I keep saying like, oh, are we potentially doing more commons? Because we've got CPAC money. The rest of it will be taxed. But that's on, yeah. But see, that's on hold. And I think that. The way it's discussed is that CPAC is grant money from the state. It's just part of the real estate. But we're required to have it by the state. Now, or if you have it, then you have to follow the regulations. And what would you do? I think that's a good plan of fiscal reality. Since it is, we have a proper tax money. And when would you say, one of the multiple recommendations for the family that's in this. But it's no, whatever to get CPAC money. And if it has a building money, it's better house. So it's just, you know, vote that, you know, I don't know now. Well, it's very interesting to listen to the North Amherst renovation that's being done on simple gifts because, you know, there's been a lot of volunteer work on it. There's been money from CPAC before. Now they're asking for about $30,000 to replace windows. But there are seven or eight people who live in that house who work on the farm and are students. So in a way it is providing affordable housing. There was some disagreement whether that was true or not. I think that they are, given that I know some of the people from there come to the survival center. So they're, and it's educational. They have, you know, so there's a lot of value to that. I don't, I, you know. I think that's a good example of when there's a payback. Right. And the brick house, yeah. I don't see what the. Well, whether it's the perfect one. But it has almost payback. It's community-minded. Right. Let me try this. I did put in review, discuss, and possibly recommend revised guidelines for CPAC. You know, we may, some, Paul may look at this and say, you can't. Right. I think we need to do it based on what I just watched. So I put that in, it's summer 2019. And I did put in CPAC, finance committee, town council. And this goes back to the stuff that Gal was beginning to talk about, about really looking at committees and trying to understand either which committees could be, but this is not an immediate goal, but to really find a way to, so, because there are so many committees and so few people on them. And what, what is absolutely necessary or what could be combined so it becomes more vital. So I, again, even though both of those deal with some capital projects, they're the smaller ones. And I kept it under budget and fiscal. So let's move on to the capital plan projects. And that's adopted comprehensive capital plan. And this is the one where all of us will probably, you know, pull our hair out and go nuts. And Ryan says, would this be the work of JCPC now? It's going to sit solidly with the town council. Review the proposed capital projects. We did that. Review model regarding funding capital projects. We started that in February. I'm just going to say winter. Developer proposed capital, comprehensive capital plan. Yeah, I guess that's right. Have model available to the public. That's going to be much sooner. It's going to be available spring, right? Spring of this, we're, we're in spring. Spring just started. I think what you just said here, I think we can switch. Yeah. And there's just a subtle working change and I don't have the right words. But the thing that's being developed for us is a way for any of us to do what in the kinds of questions both I've made this, this, that. So it's not so much a model. It's a tool to inform decisions or something. So it's not telling you what to do. It's telling you the implications of, if I try to do these three things in the first three years, I bust through every chance of it. And so this will be helpful for all of, when we say what's the protocol, what are we willing to do? So it is a model, but it's, you know. What is it a model of? It's a model of the budgeting process and impact of decisions. So maybe that's what we need to say. Right. Or, yeah, modeling tool would be even a simpler way to say it. Yeah. I understand that part. Yeah. I think. So I don't know the right words. So. We will know what to do based on this. We will more know. I think the issue is it's out of order. Yes, it is out of order. So review proposed capital projects. We did that. Review model regarding funding capital projects. We started to do that. And have model available to the public is the next one. Right. Absolutely. After that. It is the development. Develop a proposed comprehensive capital plan. And then convene district meetings in the fall and adopt comprehensive capital plan. Yeah. It was out of order. Okay. So. It may be two more words. It's. Financing model. Yeah. It kind of. Yeah. Well, you've all heard this. But the questions that are being asked is how much do we have left for everything else? So if we want to continue to do those and fix our abilities. We have left for the different. Yeah. No. Right. Yeah. So it's helping you see. Or other impacts. Yeah. So it's going to allow you, George, I have to say. I know. I understand. Yeah. But people in town are not really excited. By that. Yeah. It's not a decision. Right. It's a. It's a way of knowing the implications. Right. So however we word it that it's. Yeah. It's a tool for us in communicating with the public. Right. As to the various implications of particular. Plans. I'm not all that excited personally. About the idea that it goes out to the public. I mean, I don't know. I can't stop it. It's going to happen. But the thought that Dave or Tom or Sally are sitting at home just plugging in numbers and coming up with all kinds of different strategies. Maybe this will bring some good, but I think personally I'd rather. I'm glad there's a tool and I don't think any of us are going to be qualified to evaluate the tool. We're just going to trust that the people who put it together actually know what they're doing. And we're going to use the tool and we're going to trust what it gives us as numbers. But I think the point of having the public habit, George. They're going to get it. Yeah. And I think they should. I think it's the first time the town has said, well, if you want this decision, there's what is the result. You want this. And the reality is if we have it, it's public. I raised the same question. The finance committee is public. I'm going to try to do to do this building. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And there are a lot of limitations given the nature of it. Right. How about if we say review financial model slash tool regarding funding capital projects? Okay. So then if we look at George's comment. I think we've taken care of that. And if we look at Mandy Jo's, we couldn't have done this before the school. I thought about doing it before the SOI, but there was no way. Yeah. Yeah. She had to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I can't figure out how to do this. She has to take everything. All right. Here's the energy and sustainability adopt climate. Oh God. Please. My favorite. Okay. All right. Okay. We adopted it. Yes. Okay. Appoint members. It's happening as we speak. Probably by May. Okay. Review and adopt climate action goals. There are a number of comments here. Mandy Jo. And Evan. Mandy Jo says it's a great timeline because of the way the thing got written. And Evan who has been saying this for a long time has said it's too ambitious. And this is where, you know, there's going to be people who are going to come back and say, this committee met, you know, was appointed in May. And over the summer when nobody was around, you drew up these goals. Who was there? Who did you talk to? So anyway, I think we have to leave it that way. And he's worried. He's worried about the OCR. I would suggest, you know, for example, if we say end of 2019 or early 2020, it's getting as originally because of the up and on sooner maybe, but it's not up and on until next year. And he's worried, yeah, he's worried about the OCA, and he has reason to be, because we are struggling together. You know what? Maybe. So that's what he's worried about. Maybe after fall 2019. We're doing people now for that committee. Yes, they are. And they're going to be selected by... And on Monday, by Monday in your packet, will be a memo from me saying the following people have volunteered, following counselors have expressed interest in being on this committee. Right. And it's a memo from me to Paul. Which committee are you talking about now? DECAC. So in terms of which council? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. I lost track of this. Okay. This is review and adopt. Oops. Climate action goals. And it says fall 2019. I think we should say per charge, behind that per committee charge. Yes, that is where it is. And I think we just leave it like that. You know, they come to us and say, we can't do this. Right. Or we don't put it on. Or they come to us and they say, here's the ones. And we say, well, how many people have you consulted with, et cetera, et cetera. And then we say, listen, take this back out. Maybe if we're lucky, we'll just... No, because we might get it and say, we don't have to adopt it. I know, I know. But you can also, just like you want to assume good intentions, you assume, hey, maybe we'd like it. Okay. Elementary school. Hey. That's when we can say it's completed. We're done. We're so good. April. April 2019. Potentially as discussed with the council, the consensus has been achieved. Now we're not going to get a two building solution. Okay. Yeah. Oh, shoot. How long does it have a resolution? I haven't had time to write a resolution regarding the schools. Okay. Any comments on this one in the timeline? I don't really, I think this is fine. I'm just wondering whether in the future we might want to have a role of a periodic one. I definitely agree with that. You know, so it's, you know, not that everyone's in a while wants something big as good, but we can keep it touch. So it's going to be an aspiration thing once a year when we're doing the meeting. We'll probably know what's happening. And I just saw several towns do this. And I think the schools are a huge part of it. No, what? Let's, let me do something. What? Do we want to add a communication with schools goal? I'm just going to put that right here. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll come back to it next time. Not just elementary schools. No. Right. Right. Okay. We're done with this school. For now? For now. Tell me and your evaluation. Okay. Okay. If your group hasn't discussed this yet, has it? Well, we have. We are, it's on our agenda for Monday because we haven't heard back from the rules about what they have to say about finance committee. We haven't heard what anybody else has had to say about it. For sure. Anybody else has decided anything about this? This is, this is in finance committee. This is the manager. No, no, no. I'm just saying. Tell the manager to evaluate you. On Monday, I brought up was just, let's take a look at our, yeah. Okay. Let's take a look at it as a charge. And then I just want, okay, to say like, what do we think about changing? So Monday, we're going to at least talk about that. And then we'll make a decision ourselves, which obviously can be old or can be something that I haven't heard anything from anyone. So we're just going to talk about what we feel about it. And then we'll hear back on share from other people. What other people think about it? And on the finance one, because just tell me, because right now it's on the revised charges on the agenda for Monday. If it's not ready, then we'll pull it. I just wasn't sure. I mean, I don't really feel clear. But what exactly, when we'll report it out, I didn't hear anything from them. So I, the charge doesn't have a process. You're right. It doesn't. Yeah. So we don't have to do that. So it's not in there. But when you were coming, we just said, why don't you take a look? These are things that I think that you should look at changing. These are things that I suggest that you change. So I just felt like it was responsible of us to respond. Right. So the only thing that's in the charge on the agenda for Monday's town's council meeting is to change it from four to three outside members. And to change it to two year terms. But there's nothing in the charge anymore about who appoints them or who recommends them. And this is a process for. But isn't that going to open? That should go to OK. Well, what you originally asked. So you can change it. Yeah. I did. Yeah. Come on. Make up a decision and go like that, which is what we did. We always say it should have gone to OK. But what originally was asked is it came to us. So the only thing I think that he did not really, like we knew that it would put there, then you would come to us and propose a couple things. And then you would really try to nail down that process, which is not called practice. So the only thing is I did in response to who were talking about charges. I did put it on our agenda for Monday for us to consider the changes that you had said we might want to think about just so that we have that discussion about our charge in our committee in a timely way. Yeah. But should we have the charges that says there's nothing about how these people would be intervening in a selective way? Right. But it does change the membership. And it does change the terms. And your committee hasn't discussed that yet. OK has not discussed that. No. Then I will pull it from the agenda. Well, for me it's confusing how we go about it. If it was put somewhere, like I don't mind those people recording out what they think. Because then I guess like then open can say, I guess some of the process just feels a little confusing. This one really is confusing. And I'm sorry for that. The time manager evaluation, it's like, I feel like there's been constructive conversations maybe in other committees. And I think we've sort of heard rumblings about what people are thinking for the only thing that at least I knew of this chair was that these are things that might be proposed to change and that we as a committee should talk about if we ourselves. OK. How we feel about changing our charge. OK. That's all right. So does it deal with you in terms of the term changing the terms between yours or the change in the number of years? Yeah. No, I mean I'm going to speak for everybody, but I don't think there was any objection for anybody. That's about changing the terms of that recommendation. Right. Right. That's it. Right. So we left. Yeah. Elissa's on full. She is. She is. And when it comes to the whole town manager evaluation, we occurred that we should discuss whether how we feel about taking it out of our charge again. So I just felt that even if maybe the rest of the council decided collectively that we should do it a different way, we would just weigh in on what makes total sense. It just felt respectful to my committee just to ask them about. So I'm asking, Kathy, I'm asking them. That's true. So then I'm not going to ask to remove it. Okay. Okay. I think the reason it's been set to rules is that there are little charter lines that say it wasn't rules. Who cares where you go, anywhere you are? And that's where the variance would be on the normal way. Okay. Okay. All right. So I'm leaving it on, but the whole issue of the appointment process. Yeah. You still haven't gotten all of the stuff back from town town. So we have, no, we were asked for respectfully by April 1st, which I have heard nothing about because we need to start engineering right away. So we did have the discussion that we felt like when we talked to Lauren that as long as it was a practice and not a process that we could do it this way. So we needed to talk about whether or not we were, we adapted it. We voted to adopt it. Okay. And we voted on who would do the interviews, which is me. I've talked to the chairs of planning and zoning and asked them what their boards, their special qualities in people or, you know, certain skills that they feel that they're lacking in their membership that they would like to see that I felt like that was important for our process. So we are moving along. I think there's just some things that we weren't quite sure, you know, with changing our charges. Is it on our agenda? Does that seem clear? We were trying to be active. Yes. I mean, I should have ever read emails when I'm sitting here. Oh, I resisted the urge. Okay. So I'm going to suggest that we leave town manager evaluation along for now and move on to the rules of procedure. When do we do this? Excuse me. Yeah. Yeah. We're, you know, so, when we adopt, once a year, take a look at them. Mm hmm. So sometimes we require super, majority. Okay. So that when we adopt, this is the way we're going to operate. I mean, we didn't actually say, you know, we do it once a year and we just set a majority. So, you know, it would be, I think your timeline is fine. Because it was maybe a year or two, maybe a few year olds, once, to say, are they working? You know, is there anything we want out of this that we don't like? Mm hmm. And would that be GOL if we do that? Or would that be? Well, GOL will read Mandy's novel. You know, so Mandy will... Will let Mandy do it. Mandy will, well, she's revoke writing pieces, but she will make sure it doesn't probably sound clear and consistent. Right. Well, we got that covered. You know, we have it covered very well. I think we should be... We're already working. We're going to be the clearest, consistent, most actionable group you've ever seen. We're actually a really good group. Yeah, we're very actionable. You know, so I think it will come in clean enough for you that it's not very good. No. So it goes through that process and that. Pretty simple things, most times, you know, including, we just set up four committees. We just have to set up a bit... Fourth, seven? Fourth, nine? Right, right. 17. Well, the irony is we actually are going to have one of the fifth Standing Committee. It's called the Audit Committee. Right. What we need to do is... We just need to write in... Which, by the way, everybody stood up and said they wanted... I know. I didn't. I didn't. That's moving. I would just love... No. I didn't. If I'm maybe... When you said maybe, you said I'll do whatever is needed. After my... Over my dead body. I said, no, no, no. I... And I actually... It's... I'm going to be sending you all a name to say this is... First of all, it's not a heavy-lift committee. No, I know. That's why I... Once, maybe twice a year. Yeah. That's on a committee. And the only reason I volunteered to be honest is because nobody else did. Ha-ha! You've got to take some of the poop, too. I think she's got it. Okay. Right. And sometimes it's better just to raise your hand for one. Even if you're willing to do another. Ah. No, I had the feeling the elected committee was not a heavy-lift. Right. But I thought this rule was fine. Okay. Good. So people understand it's not like... You're going to change the... It's not like the charter. You're not going to have it run five months by season, right? Yeah. Okay. So, we're on the rules. I have no changes on this unless you want to say, you know... What was the one you chose? See potential... I think I incorporated it off. See beloved potential addition. Yeah. Okay. All right. Who's responsible for the rules of procedure? I think we're going to see the council. I'll fill that in. I know. Okay. Not a problem. I got that one. Okay. Next one. Public way. All right. Goodness gracious. Oh my God. Yeah. So... I see Evan... You know what? Maybe the GOL group is in the process of discussing this. And I think... It would be good if we could... We could consult with them and wait. Exactly. Thank you. And find out what they're going to come up with. Okay. The parking. It's not a natural fit in the GOL as we were in charge. They're doing a little bit of simple things. But the larger buses, everything else is a transportation policy. Right. That would be challenging. Oh, you're already down on the next room. No, I'm on transportation. Right. It is written in specific. Right. So it has... At some place it's going to have to come into community resources. But as far as I know... So I'm just looking at your response. Yeah. We were there. All right. To... Are any of you on GOL? Yep. Haven't you been discussing this? Probably, yes. We've been slogging our way... Yes, we're in the... Okay. No, we haven't been discussing it with community resources. No, no. Just that... No, but have you been discussing that it should... Go. That community resources should go to it? Yes. Okay. All right. One of you needs to come back to the meeting, which I'm going to see if we can meet next Friday again. Maybe not as late as... What's the... It's a fit. We'll see. At the next meeting we have, whenever it is, I'm going to ask that one of you come in with what GOL wants to have happen here. Will we be ready by then? Do you think? If you're ready. If you're not, we'll just make it up. Are you writing that down for George? I'm writing it down for George. Okay. So next meeting you want to know what GOL wants to do in public place. Okay. And then we... I'm just going to meet again. Parking related policies. Other round of public forums on this issue. That's for sure. I personally appear what's meant by this. Comprehensive parking strategy. I don't even want to tell you what mine is. Okay. Parking related policies and issues. Maybe? Yeah. There's a... These... When are we going to make those decisions in the chair? So... There is a parking committee. Yeah. And isn't there a consultant that is currently working? Right. There's supposed to be, again, another one of these reports that everybody's waiting on. Right. And what's the reason used for not... At least a reason used for not proceeding with the North Common? Is that one of the reasons given? Okay. Christine Mullen Gray is on this committee. On the parking committee. Mm-hmm. Now I know her from working. She was on my DPW fire committee. So maybe I need to be in touch with her and just say, can you and I talk about that committee and what that committee does? Oh, that would be good. That would be good. And maybe our activities or... Glenn, yeah. A focus meeting. We'll be fun at what we're talking about. And, you know, a focus meeting... Absolutely. Well, Mandy Jo is going to demand that. What? Mandy Jo is going to demand that. She's already demanded it. She's... She's very clear. No, they're also just one of the meet-and-runs. And she also got a... She got a question from the reporter at the collegiate as to why she keeps voting against... No, why she voted against a certain run. And a big brother, big sisters. And she's sitting there. I guess they don't realize I voted against all of them. Well, actually, in all actuality, I voted against all of them. Yeah, right. Okay, communication. This is Oka. So, Oka, we have our subcommittee meeting. Yes. And so, we're also going to sort of be talking again a little bit about what do people really need when they're asking Oka to do communications and outreach. I think it's all about the town council. Remember, these are our goals. Okay? So it's not what the town should do. It's not what the citizens... No. It's what the town council should do. I... Yes. And... You know what I'm going to suggest? Let's make this as vague as possible and look where your timelines are so that it's an Oka thing, not until the summer or fall. Thank you so much. And when you see the rules, we've written in a bunch of what is going on, which is a question of the past. You know, our district meetings. I mean, I think it's written in the charter that we're supposed to be a community. There is a vagueness here that I have a question about, rather than where is appointments in this... Because it... Or is that a separate category somewhere else? Separate category, but where is it? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Where is it? And if you listen to people who are saying about how we're working with community participation officers, like, you know, our... And how do you, participation officers, see our rules? It's actually very, very municipal. It's not big. They've actually done a lot of the internal rules for you. And I thought that they put that in your packet because they said they were going to look for last meeting. But they've already set up all these guidelines for how to have a... Right, yeah. ...and a community meeting, how to have a district meeting, what they'll offer you. Right. And what they're saying is, is that they even see OKAs maybe having a somewhat limited role. They see every single town counciler being on the front lines. So, I mean, this is something that we'll continue to talk about. We have a subcommittee again on Monday. So, I mean, I think we're online for doing this. There's a suggestion for what you're inviting here and I'm sorry, but don't go. Instead of making this separate, I scroll to the end. Town council has put it. Yep. One, appointments are now working. You know, the appointment process has been put in place and in work. You know, so our aspiration is for communicating with better committees, appointments are now working. And then just you put, you just have to put a few more lines on there that by the end of the year our aspiration is to have things working. So combine this with right here. Just put this under activities and take it out as a goal. And just add it as an activity is a large goal. And we're all going in. I think that might work. That progress for transparency. I said somewhere in the reviewer. Are there any other, okay, just think about, stand back. Look at this very last one. Town council has put in place a new firm appropriate. Communications, committees, goals, transparency. Has he accomplished goals? I would say establishable. You know, that's for establishing goals, right? You know, all of the above what you want to do will be established. Mm-hmm. How we're going to ever measure the place of this. But if you get appointments or growing, you know, is it felt necessary? I wasn't obviously present at the first conversation. Was it felt necessary to include this? And so on. And this is at our retreat. Okay. That's where all of these came from. Right, that's correct. You're right. You know, it's someone like us, people start to trust the town council. We think it's bringing us something. You know, we're the only one with the knowable action. So that's where the device is. You know, we're not watching. Somebody made a good point to me when I was, when I mentioned this, I was like, wow. Stress the positive. Don't go back to, you know, the problem. So just, you know, just say robust public participation, better communication, right? Right. And just take this out. You know, because by mentioning it, people go, yeah, right. We're all divided. I think you're right. So I changed my letter. Say that again, sir. The ones are always unanimous, but I think there's a lot of respect going on. So instead of progress toward less divisive, robust participation, robust public participation, which is right. That was what they were telling me. Oh, by the way, one of the things that Paul has suggested was that we, you know, have like, um, he and I suggested, he suggested he and I together do some kind of 100 day report. It's not going to be 100 days because we're already past 100 days. But I said, how about 150? Because then the town will have adopted its goals and here's a perfect way of putting it out there. Now it's obviously something that I remember I wrote to you. Your newsletter. Yeah, right. Sorry about that. No, no, George is definitely not doing one. Wonderful. I can easily send it to you. Would you send me? I probably should send one. I sent one to Lynn. I sent one to Sarah. I'd be happy to send it to you. Thank you very much. Well, what about we skipped over for the reason? Well, I don't know if we skipped over, but that's exactly where I was going to. Oh, good. The question about whether that's too narrow. Well, because there's UTAC, there are these things that are, you know, that we, it's not just the financial thing that we fight with universities, but don't we want to be where are they going? You know, as Sarah and I were talking about, how enamored are their related things that can be slow that are out of the street? You know, they have a hard stop. So here's the question that other people have raised and that is, should this be more broad than just UMass? Right. Yes. And Paul has mentioned and I did get back in time yesterday that we, you know, we've started having meetings with Hampshire College to look at the impact of their decisions, even the ones we don't know yet and they don't know yet. And so it's not just UMass, it's Hampshire. And what Amherst call it, could be a close-up. It's maintaining better relationships of communication with the five colleges or whatever. And then under that the agreement. That would be part of it. What about other, I mean, I am attending as I hope some of you, like the president knows, but I've been attending the Community and Campus Coalition to prevent underage drinking. And that's a, you know, what about other bodies like that where we need to have somebody from the council engaged and is part of this larger picture of being in communication with the working community. Now we still don't have liaisons and I'm just sort of in my district anyway, but it really could be anybody. But these kinds of bodies are really valuable in terms of just getting to talk to and be in communication with some of the other actors at different levels. I don't know how many other bodies are like this, but this one is more for sure. That would seem to fall under this too, in terms of... How do we reach out to Amherst College? What would be, you know, some of the other bodies? All right. Let's look at our calendars. Doesn't your show on your... Well, I know we do Friday at 4 o'clock, I'm told. So next, we have this MMA legislation thing. The legislative breakfast at the carriage house. I guess I signed up for that. You represent us very well. Send the vice president. Send the vice president. Oh, it's only a day to worry that you're going to lose this earring. No, I see. Thank you for letting me know. Look at Friday afternoon. The fifth? You can't. You can't. Oh, that's right. And then Joe leaves for India on the third. And I'm just not sure what the other stuff is going on. I want to kind of remove myself from that week a little bit, like ahead of time. I'm just not sure how that's going to go. And I have a meeting at three that day. All right. That eliminates them. So then I... Boy, I hate to do this to you all because we have a meeting on the 12th. Right. I could meet twice that week. All right. Let's look at that week. We have no council meeting that week. We don't have any council meetings. Well, what about... I'll meet when the council meets. We all know that. So if you want to put enough time between... You know, both Monday and Tuesday later, as you know, Monday leads to the fourth. I can't meet Monday and Tuesday, but I could meet Monday like four. Monday to the eighth? Monday to the eighth. Four to six. Yes, I can do that. Okay. And it's up here again. We're here instead of that sweet little room. I know. This work, though. That's good. And I'll... So this is... That's my family. It's probably... Sorry, April 8th. Correct? Yeah, let's get out of here. We're adjourned. We don't have to go. That's good. I move that we adjourn. I second. All those in favor? And so we're adjourning. We're done with...