 Hello everybody and welcome back to esoteric Atlanta, of course My name is Bryce and we're doing something Catherine and I who's my co-host for the coffee chats. Everybody knows miss Catherine Edwards We're doing something a little bit different today We've invited both Jay and my friend Cindy on to this coffee chat because the last coffee chat We did a couple weeks ago Jay Mentioned something that I think was really really important. So first of all Jay Cindy Catherine How you guys doing this morning? Thanks. Thanks for having us Bryce Of course Awesome great. Thanks for having us of course of course well Jay You had asked because we were talking about the last coffee chat and guys I will put that's on Catherine's channel I will put that link in the description box below in case you missed the last coffee chat No need to watch it now you can watch it later But just in case it will be in the description box But Jay had said we'd asked for audience questions and you had brought up this idea of like and I can't remember Specifically what you said Jay? So I'm gonna paraphrase like where are you afraid of making money? Like because we do know that there is kind of sometimes this fear of People making money and I was like oh my god my friend Cindy is like I think she's like a specialist when it comes to the chakra system and just because I've known Cindy for a really long time So I've heard a lot of what what she's had to say and like her shawla and just offline and about this this idea with The root chakra kind of being the issue like there's an imbalance in the root chakra when people have this like fear of Money really whether it's the hoarding of money whether it's feeling they're not worthy of money And so I kind of wanted to like do a bigger episode on this because thank you Jay Because that's such a huge issue with many people a lot of people and I don't think they realize that this is actually an Energetic issue it's not just a well It's all mental, but it really affects you in a very deep subtle way And so I wanted to kind of start first Cindy I know we talk about the chakras a lot on this channel, but if we have somebody watching right now that doesn't know what a chakra is What's a chakra? Well, it's it's the inner the word chakra actually means wheel and it's even the in yoga terms, right? Like yeah the word chakra means wheel and They're these wheels of energy that run mainly through your spinal system And you got chakras all over the place You also have them at the bottoms of your hands and you have in the bottoms of your feet And you have like these smaller chakras within your body But the the chakras that we know is the main seven energy centers that run from the base of your spine all the Way up through the crown of the head and there's also known to be like eight and Ninth chakras above your head as well from where we receive downloads But the ones that are more physical that we're aware of yeah There's some you know the Moldahara, which is the one that you were talking about the root that's at the base And you got one And they each represent something different and they feed energetically out into different places of your body For instance of the root one fees out into your bones But also fees down from your hips down to your legs and your knees and your feet and then like for instance The second chakra which is the emotional realm that feeds into Like your reproductive system and parts of the part aspects of your organs And so each of these energy centers feeds into the body And then you got you know the ones in the in the heart for instance It feeds out through your lungs and through your heart and out through the arms and and through your Feeds all into this area and a little bit into your throat and of course you throat You got another energy center now. I'm not I skipped through the the third chakra right here as well so anyways that they each feed into a different part of your body and so if you have some kind of like physical or Not just physical, but some kind of an emotional or mental Let's say tightness about a particular idea For like you were talking about the root chakra usually has to do with safety and security then Energetically it the energetic expression of that will hit down into your base And it could also cause issues in your hips or in your legs or in your knees or in your feet So it definitely goes into that whole mind-body Emotional connection that we have so yeah, so it affects it the the chakra system definitely affects to our Error is affected by our thought system in our belief system and the emotions we hold around that and then that Manifest itself physically through our body So if we have like issues of forgiveness So about like the heart or we just we feel heart broken or we have just things going on That have to do with the heart issues giving and you know some aspects of giving and receiving but a lot of it is forgiveness Then you might have experiences with a closed off Here, maybe you'll you'll get some long issues or you'll get shoulder issues just depending on what's going on And how does this so I want to say to this this chakra system before we get specifically into Molo Dara I want to say to like this exist in animals as well I was gonna ask you know captain We see this with the animal system as well and also Jay you come from like a very business background Do you went with Cindy saying this do you notice that we talk about the 5d economy the five-dimensional economy? Is that something like do you see with with clients and people that you know Whether their ability to make money or lack thereof kind of comes from an emotional Do you notice that with people like their emotional states as well? It is as a I mean, it's exactly You're right on on that it sits comes from you know They're emotional states as far as like you know, they're upbringing like oh, you know money's not the most important thing or God will only give you what you need and all that kind of stuff like I got what I got I'm I've got everything I need right here, and I think that When People will start to allow themselves to break through the barriers of that they want to look anything It's like a being an addict the first thing you got to admit you got a problem, right? You know what I mean? So it's like if you admit that, you know, okay The problem is I don't I black up start admit that's the first thing is acknowledging it and then from there It's start to take a look at what what your energetic blocks are I mean what's holding you back where we're in the heart is your heart broken? You know what I mean is it is it because you maybe failed at another business and you're like I'm not trying that again, you know what I mean and a lot of that happens for people but you know, it's it's a It's a my experience is that being in the business world and working with people and having businesses and you know Not everything's been great. It's just life, right? But you learn through those experiences so if you take a look at those is not as As a learning experience to help you level up So when you do get to the next one you get better and better But that's how you do learn and and I think people what happens is they'll try something Different businesses or they'll try different creations and it won't work and then that defines them and that's the problem right there They allow that to define them that one particular instance when they were 20 years old That they did something that didn't work out now They're 40 50 in the prime of their careers And they just still are holding on to that and I think maybe Kind of maybe time back Cindy back into what you're saying. It's just it's there. It's stuff there somewhere You know, they can't you got to get rid of it. So we got to get rid of those things which is why That have gotten us to where we're at today and realize they're just they were just experiences And if it gets try to look at them like that That they were just experiences and let's just not make that big of a deal about it because it already happened Let's live let's go to a new phase of life now Yeah, and that's part of that shadow work I know Catherine like the the roots a chakra for animals because you're right jay because a lot of that When you said like how you're raised like the programming that you receive subliminally from your parents now Correct me if i'm wrong, but the root chakra moledara, which is where all this comes from Is you're born with that chakra, correct? Like that's a chakra that develops in the wound in uterus or when you're And then when you grow You develop the other as you grow the others start to grow from that as well So that's a deep suited deep rooted like am i correct in saying that cindy you're born with moledara, right? That's the one chakra you're yeah, that's one of the ones that the yeah, it develops really early Some of the other ones it's almost like when you go through the It's like you're kind of born with them But then certain ones develop at different ages and stages of your life But since the uh your moledara is strongly rooted in safety and security For sure it is like the one of the ones that is the very very first to to more fully develop But then you go through like a second stage of development with you know with each one of them But yeah, that one's since it's so rooted in survival and safety and tribe that an instinct that it's definitely one of the um The the first ones to to start to form itself more fully So I know we see this when we talk about like obviously money is something that's concocted in the human world But it is that that security system that animals also experience too And so I think the one really cool thing about the chakra system at least from my perspective I know catheter you do a lot of healing as well as when you start to understand what these energy cycles are Things start to become They start to make sense more and so even though it's hard to heal yourself sometimes It's a journey to heal yourself You start to have like a template of a starting point a place to kind of like begin to under to unravel like your bad programming Or that bad experience you had when you were 20 years old That's now informing your decisions now on either a conscious or a subconscious level So do you see this in the animal world too? Capling with muladara with animals and their survival instincts and they're Feeling like they have the right to be here or not like how do you see that unfold in the animal world? I think there's so much we can learn from what we see in the animal world and safety and security is Absolutely primal with animals and it's their number one driving force over everything else However, we see it manifest in a very different way and even with domesticated animals that we've bought into our lives and That brings different challenges because then they're having to hand over some of their power to us to look after them And let's face it most humans on How many humans would we hand over power to look after us to not that many But the thing I think is really important that we can really take on board because Most people watching this will have one area of their life that's really out of balance So let's stick to financial today And if you look at animals the way they deal with safety and security You will never see a rabbit burrow or a fox den or any sort of animal house with a fence around it and A label a house name or a house number They they will find safety and security in the present moment And they don't try to hold onto things if their burrow gets flooded They move away and build a new one and that's part and parcel of this being in the in the present moment And for me and this is why I love this round table because we're all bringing different things to it When we're looking at abundance in any of your life, particularly financial abundance, which we're talking about today Any time where you've got that desperate desire to hold on to it Then there's an insecurity and you're going to have problems because every single thing in nature flows and moves And never stay static. You've only got to look at the cycle of nature through the seasons the trees losing their leaves the Animals some hibernate some are nocturnal some are, you know, they shed their fur and they shed their skin So this obsession with humans trying to hold on to something and not let it move not let it flow Is really manifest to me in this root chakra and how That then feeds so many evidence securities and one thing I would like to say Again animals have so many emotions, but one of the things that they don't really do is judge And if you're wondering if there's a lot of people that sort of say I haven't got any money issues because money is not important to me But if there's any part of you that's judging other people that have got money Then it is important to you You've just put a barrier up and that's you're not ready to deal with that then And the reason why I think it's so important to have this conversation And I'm bringing it up today is a lot of our audience Let's call it the the truth of community the seekers a true seeker community But look at who the biggest villains have been Throughout the last few years a lot of them are people that have huge amounts of wealth And there's a huge amount of judgment for that now. I'm not excusing that behavior in a way or saying that That some people don't Maintain their wealth by nefarious means because of course we know they do But look at where so much of our attention has been and I feel that this is part of the dark side the spiritual manipulation the infiltration of the community To really manifest that helplessness in people And that we're judging that wealth and money and abundance in any area of your life Is a negative thing, but we all know you can't give from an empty cup I'm so glad you brought that up Catherine because yeah, it isn't it is and that's what we were talking about last week And what Jay and I we've talked about on my show too is this idea of like Money and spirituality are not actually separate now money Is kind of like I had this conversation yesterday, you know, what you do with things is what matters and so Money is a tool. It's an energetic exchange. It's a tool to that you need You have to have to have a roof over your head to have food on your table to you know Whatever all the bills that have to be paid or just to even enjoy your life to go on that vacation because that's important You know and you're right Catherine we and you brought up such a good point with that because we have been like Trained indoctrinated into this like black and white thinking that in order to count Spiritually as a person you have to martyr yourself And that's actually not aligned with spirituality. It's not and and you're right that holding on that hoarding of Well to to the extent I mean obviously don't be stupid with your money But don't like that hoarding of like trying to like hold on to something, you know I'll put it this way like money as a tool my tea I was yesterday we were talking about this my teacher talks about a knife a lot A knife is just a knife. It can be used to cut up fruit To help feed your friends and family or it can be used to hurt someone same knife It's the hands holding it that that count and so it's the and you're right We we see all these nefarious people and don't get me wrong I know that these people are nefarious with an absorbent amount of money But there's also people out there who aren't nefarious with tons of money too, you know So it's what you do with it And you know, I um so so Cindy can we talk because we talked about especially in the spiritual community There is this assumption That you have to like be a renunciate and live in poverty in order to be a Spiritual leader or teacher and I've laughed because my teacher in india Is one of the most wealthy human beings in in south india Like you know, he's one from one of the most one of the most famous Of lineages of yoga. It doesn't change. He's he's a kind person. He's not walking around He's actually quite cheap to be honest with you But you know, but so he has a person isn't changed by that But he has he has money and you know, and so Cindy, where does that? What when we're looking at mullidara and I guess that is like what jay So it said programming to believe certain lies basically certain myths Where will we see With this right to survival Can you expand upon this Cindy more where people feel like they need to be Poor in order to like be worthy are valuable Well, I think we've been taught that haven't we like if you look at Any religious you're talking about people who are seeking spiritual truths And you look at the uh, the people The people of the past like the renunciates or the ones who go out and live on the mountains or the monks who You know, they're they're also very they live in in more poverty conditions We've been taught that since forever. I mean, they've been doing that for for such a very long time and And I kind of you know, I kind of understand the idea It's the same thing that that that Catherine was talking about is how money has the capacity to to make us To for us to make bad choices with it or you know, it might not always bring out the best of us you know at times it can actually bring out the worst of us and so it's um In in very much of the ancient traditions even at the Vedic traditions with yoga and all that You're you're kind of taught that desire and all that is not It's not like a great thing desire is one of those things that you're supposed to avoid because desire can lead you to making Again, some of those bad choices, especially if what you're trying to do is spiritually awaken and that money can get in the way of that um, it can Divert your attention to other things Versus diverting versus keeping your attention on just you know, god or or spirit or your personal awakening um So it's you know, it's like a distraction But and and I can get that You know a kind of understand that if you are living the life of a renunciate or a monk or a priest or whatever that is But most of us we live the life of a householder And as a householder we have to be able to you know, support ourselves and to pay the bills and to you know And to do all the things to live as as a householder's money becomes a necessary thing and if you're trying to live as a householder and trying to keep these values Of a monk or renunciate it doesn't it doesn't mesh right? It doesn't it doesn't work There's a confusion up here. Just it doesn't it doesn't work well And I want to say too the renunciates of india the monks of india guys And I think you're right cindy people are very confused about this. I know j you have an lineage in india But these these like monks even though they themselves give up their their worldly possessions They're very well taken care of By the temple and by so they're not living in poverty and that's the thing too They're in a system I want people to really hear what cindy is saying here because these renunciates just because they've handed over their wealth To be a monk or to be not a non householder to not have children to not have a partner to give up All desires so no sex no kids no family It's all um, I know there's certain uh hindu temples where the monks if they decide to become a monk Can't even speak to their own mothers anymore because they can't have any communication with females or sisters But as far as like the practicality of being alive Somebody else is paying that bill for them. And I know there's a temple here in atlanta I don't know if you've ever been to the mandir here in atlanta cindy. It's beautiful And they have monks that live there and these monks live in the lap of luxury Now they might not have their own checking accounts that they but they somebody else is paying that bill for them through donations through whatever So I want you guys that are that think that people should be marring themselves Even these monks who have given up their own power To have their own money Are still having their bills paid for them somebody's still paying that bill right still keeping the lights on still keeping food So so and I think I think what happened I know captain you said this a lot a little bit of information can be a dangerous thing And so I think because people say that to us all the time that I know cindy You probably get this at sacred garden, but it's like you should be teaching yoga for free And we're like no We wouldn't be able to teach if we talk for free because somebody's got to pay the rent Somebody's got to keep this the business going and pay the bills and um, and and people will say look Oh in india some of the gurus talk for free Well, no they didn't and that's why a little bit of of knowledge is is a dangerous thing because what would happen Especially like krish macharya who's the grandfather of of modern day yoga like my teacher putabi joys Are my teachers teacher he when he as a little boy went to go study with krish macharya He didn't have any money. So what did he do? He became krish macharya's slave basically He did all of his laundry He went and did all the grocery shopping for them and so there was an exchange of energy that was happening He wasn't just going to krish macharya's house and like teach me and then going home No, he lived with krish macharya and became his his in-house servant a bunch of other boys too in in payment For the teachings if that makes sense. Does that make sense? So so yeah, and we get that a lot. I know um And i'm saying that tend to I don't I don't know city if I told you about this But we get that a lot j Catherine and I with our sponsorships We have people like leave the nastiest comments that we should be Subservient and enslaved to the viewer and give of our energy and our time without any sponsorships without any commercials And so where so Cindy was somebody and it's a projection of their own right and we call it entitlement So where is that coming from if somebody is watching it is pissed off because their favorite podcaster Regardless of whether it's one of us or somebody else has a sponsorship And they have a little commercial And they don't think that that that that Intercainer should should be paid for their work. Where is that coming from Cindy? That's obviously a root Chakra injury, right? Oh my gosh. Yeah, that could be rooted from so many things and Well, I mean I think we also have to understand that money is highly symbolic of certain things for us Want to and I actually have a I actually wrote something about it here at one point but these are some of the things that And you might be able to add to this list as well But you know money is it's more than just like money, right? It's it's symbolic It means something to us and we already mentioned how it it's it symbolizes safety and security And that's you know means a roof of our head also, you know, it symbolizes freedom Because money buys us the freedom to be able to do the things that we want to do and not having enough money can feel restricting to us You know, it signifies a control in power You know wealth and power are often the intertwined and money increases our Capacity to be of the influence and have control over our own lives They represent self-worth and I think that's that's a big one right there To Bryce with what you're talking about Our feelings of worthiness can be influenced by how much money we have You know, obviously symbolizes success Our success in life is often measured by how much money we make and and on top of that And you mentioned this as well that money is also like a magnifier It it magnifies like our core values So if we lack money Then it will magnify certain things about us or even if you If you have a whole lot of money, it will magnify things about us And and I think that's the big triggering point Is when you start to to talk about money or sponsorship or anything like that if we're feeling You know a lack in any way or you know, if it's It's it's hitting on a deeper level than just money It's hitting on things like self-worth and all this stuff and you know So then you start to bring money into something like this then Yeah, there there could be like this this kind of almost subconscious triggering That's happening when sponsored Are you like when you receive sponsorships and stuff like that something that's more deeply embedded They don't even realize why they feel that way. I was like, I don't know why I feel You know triggered because these you know, you're receiving I mean, why would they it go so much deeper than just simply money It could be just triggering all these other subconscious insecurities and And you know feelings of lack of self-worth there I mean, it could be coming from so many different places that they don't even realize Where it's coming from, you know what I mean because it because it means Money symbolizes it's such a huge Part of our lives and we have very strong feelings about it And Jay and Catherine feel free to jump in if you guys need to because this is such a fascinating topic And I will say too, I get that because I think when we started our channels At least for me in my experience when I started esoteric Atlanta my shawla That were where I was teaching every day and john's creek had just shut down And so I think that there was with a lot of the viewers and us on screen There was there was a camaraderie right misery loves company. We were all struggling We were all in this situation But then when when someone starts to get success or starts to get that Sponsorship It's it's it's I think a healed person a person who is aware of their own Insecurities would be happy for that person and we do we have most of the people are happy for us I want to say that most of our viewers are very happy for us But we have those few that get very abusive in the comments like how dare How dare we make money doing youtube when literally we put so much effort into our videos And I think you're right Cindy I think what happens is misery loves company when you're broken alone and afraid and scared If everybody else is broke alone afraid and scared then it's not so scary But then once other people start to like step out of that The spotlight becomes more on you does that make sense am I saying that like all of a sudden that's it's a reflection on yourself Like okay, I need to step up because I know when I see I love Andrew gold katharine. I've talked about Andrew gold a lot He's a great podcaster and he got a sponsorship a few weeks ago and it was for poop pills It was for constipation and he did the best job with that commercial. He made it funny He made it interesting and I was so happy for him because I love his podcast and I thought oh my god Great, he's got a sponsorship That means that he's going to keep making more podcasts because I like and it's for free It's on youtube. So, you know, it sums you katharine and jade you guys Have anything you want to add to that about like the fear factor and this the the the subconscious reaction to when other people around you are successful So I'll just say this is that I think it's important to Acknowledge like when you get when you have a show or you have or you have a sponsor I think it's really like our position has always been meeting myself in april is If someone left a comment two things we don't do we don't respond to the comment Number two, we never justify why we did what we just did And eventually they go away because I believe if we say well, you know, we're only doing this because We're doing this because we have to run a business We're doing this because we put a lot of f because because because because now we get into a justification war with this Crazy energy that who the hell knows where they even came from, right? So for us, it's just a complete You know I would say we stand firm on look with our convictions that look we feel like hey, you know what We are we got this cool sponsor. We believe in it. We have a platform We have an obligation because we have a platform to share it with people Take what you want throw the rest away. You don't like it then whatever. I mean, that's not my problem it really isn't and and I think that with a lot of people in The communication world, especially alternative communication or independent community. I mean think about it this way logically Nobody has any problem buying amazon. Nobody has any problem going to walmart Nobody has any problem going to netflix But all of a sudden the independent person that you somehow have some sort of personal connection with you have a problem with So that to me in from my perspective and again, this is only my perspective doesn't deserve acknowledgement And so I don't Having that boundary that's actually a healthy more. Isn't it when you have a good boundary like that I think it's really important I think that's such a good point jay because the thing is the beauty of these discussions is they bring up Something in everything in all of us and we're all going to have different triggers around this and we're all going to learn How to deal with things like this in different ways because no one gives you A guidebook for life, you know, that's the beauty of it and how boring would it because none of us lot would follow that guidebook Anyway, would we So I think this is the beauty is understanding and and having honest conversations about triggers There's not a single human out there that's not going to have something that they're triggered by And when we can acknowledge those and be open about them and recognize that that's showing us our work Which we already talk all talk about Then that's the important thing, you know I for example have done so much work and jay you've really helped me with this and rise by their shadow work channels Challenges and things, you know, all of it were learning new skills all the time And I've just realized just how much stress In the past for my life has been caused by lack mentality or Or feeling that it's a lack and when you're in a position Where you can really serve, you know, I I've been looking a lot at the difference between You know between the energy of sort of It's quite important the language behind it Fixing energy and helping energy, you know, people might say what's wrong with helping But who are you helping are you helping it from your energy to feel good? Or are you generally helping was when you if you're in a fixing or helping Others type energy just the fact that you're labeling it as helping others That's going to have an energy of sort of lack exhaustion with it quite often But if you're in a serving energy Then it's uplifting it's really energizing and I think quite often when With we've got these things coming up in ourselves Whether we're feeling it when people are triggered at triggering us by comments or feedback Or if someone's watching this and it's triggering them The great thing is that we say fantastic. There's your work. There's your question. Why because as soon as we set into judgment We're giving our energy away and we're basically telling the universe if we don't want someone else to have that We're basically giving a very clear message that we don't want it for ourselves You cannot be successful in an area of your life If you're begrudging someone else and that that's something else of any living entity If you're begrudging that in anyone else, unfortunately, you're going to be putting a blockage to getting it yourself And that is awesome I actually want to take a moment You guys because I do want to talk about our Our sponsorship asia and what i'm going to do because after we talk about this i'm actually going to hand The ball to jay and kathrin to talk a little bit about asia because i'm actually going to go get a ball quickly because after that I want to talk about what people can do to help them heal their moladara So i'm going to step in the next room. I'm going to let kathrin and jay take away Give me guys a little bit of more detail about our sponsor asia and jay is right. I'm not just Using asia as a means to an end I actually have been offered many many sponsorships through my channel You get them all the time and i've always turned them down except for this one because I actually do believe in this product I know cindy's had experiences with this product too. This is an incredible product It works on the physical and spiritual level of helping you it's a tool It's not going to do everything for you It's just a tool, but it's an incredible incredible tool So I not only am so grateful to asia for giving me the financial opportunities to make this stuff free for you guys watching But i'm also grateful for asia for the the benefits of health and also being able to share it with everybody else So take it away kathrin and jay. I will be right back Give our our information. I give some information to our audience about our awesome sponsor asia. I'll be right back Okay, well i'll go ladies first for me It's been transformational because I have been a holistic health coach for animals and humans for over 20 years And one of the things that we all know and every single one of us does is we provide solutions for people And not every solution resonates with every person So one of the things that I love with asia is it works on every single cell of the body So it's completely non-specific whatever your issue is that you need to rebalance turn back the clock, you know babies aren't born with um a lack mentality They are born with an abundance They're born with a willingness to ask for what they want from the universe And that often happens to be from their parents or the first people And that ability gets shut down similarly our bodies are all born with the ability to regenerate replace Cells with healthy cells but that gets shut down So what asia has done for myself and my clients is really to bring it right back to those core principles Of on a physical level a spiritual level and an emotional level hand the power back to our wonderful bodies To take back control of getting our lives back in balance And that also includes for those that wants it the financial side of things because when you take empowerment for your health If you love it you can share it with other people and benefit financially for that as well So for me, it's a complete win-win situation Jay, what about for you? I love it I mean, I want to give the people watching just a broad spectrum of why we're so passionate about it Why we talk about it But just just a if I can paint a picture for one second So just imagine being born in this lifetime with one tank of gas, right and then As you age that that gas goes down down down in turn, you know Your engine gets slower slower slower The the company called asia developed this redox, which is what we're talking about that allows you to put gas back in your engine again So that in turn is effectively this is my experience and i'm sharing with you From a layman's point of view is that really it just it's like the light bulbs turn back on again The car goes faster again things start to work again So you had the opportunity with redox specifically to put gas back in your machine again So if you look at it from that perspective, that's why we're so passionate about it That's why so many people are saying, you know what I look and I feel like 20 years younger Look at all of us. I mean, I could say to everybody they could watch our show They can watch catherine your show bright show and they can look at us Three months ago. Look at us now. I mean you look at us. Everybody can look at us We all know we look younger everybody says it to us We all know we look different everybody says it to us, but if you don't believe us rewind youtube We find out by yourself. It's there, you know, we didn't all just Arbitrally agree to photoshop it three months later and this is that we look like it's happening. It's a real phenomena. So I would say People if you want to live younger longer, you want to feel better about yourself like catherine you said that that was so awesome It's non-specific. It's hitting you. It's getting to where it needs to be So if it's a if it's a thing within your head Maybe a money block or things like that that are nor a lot things are just out of place It's going to help you really address those issues. It's going to deal with stuff at a cellular level So the physical benefits the the spiritual benefits of it all Look, this is why we're out here talking about it I mean, I think that we all are we are all coming from a place of obligation with this thing more than anything that You know, we really do Generally feel people will have a much better existence if they explore for themselves And with the help there's also the money benefit as well Now I will put again in the description box below It's always in my description box if you want more information on asia Then you can either take text brice info or catherine info to three two one two one six eighty forty seven That is jay's phone number. So that is it's not just a robot. You're texting And and and you can either be if you want to try this product just as a supplement That's great, but if you also want to make money off of this product There's a way to do that as well And jay can helis can help you figure that out if that's something you want to do and again I am so freaking grateful to asia for giving me the opportunity to Continue to create content to continue to do deep research into Crazy weird topics so that we can talk about them on youtube because that does take a lot of energy It does take a lot of effort and asia is giving me that opportunity to be able to do that for you guys watching right now So I am eternally grateful to asia for many many many different reasons But most importantly for my ability to now be here on youtube with you guys So with that being said how I wanted to close this off was if somebody's watching this right now and having this like Oh, shit moment like a as we say in the south to come to jesus moment where um Where all of a sudden they realize that that they've got an issue that they may be subconsciously They didn't realize they had this like weird relationship with money Well, first of all, I wanted to kind of start first of all Congratulations if you figure that out as jay said is kind of like a you have to admit you have a problem first in order to be able to Then fix the problem first of all before I forget. I do want to recommend this book I know cindy is a fan of this book as well eastern body western mind. She does a really good job I've recommended this a lot on my channel of going through all the different chakras The the root chakra the one we're spoken Speaking about today specifically Is kind of the the base of all the chakras. So sometimes if that root chakra's off They all going to be off. So it's always a great place to start anyway. Even if you don't think you have any root chakra Issues you might just want to go and revisit it and check it So that's a great place to start when it comes to educating yourself knowledge is power knowledge protects I will put a link to this book down in the description box below Um, and I wanted to show now. I obviously I know cindy. We talk a lot about In yoga using the physical body as a way to exercise and actually intentionally trigger These sensations and stimulate these sensations in the body so that they become more aware Because the body is the expression of the soul, right? It is the template of this is shock the as cindy says the expression of that Soul and there's something now you can obviously join a yoga class. That's great. Um, you can come to Zoom say uh on sacred garden yoga's website, which I will put that in the description box below You can take my class or cindy's classes or anybody's classes on zoom if you want to We are also in the atlanta area so you can always come to the class too if you are in the same area But there's something simple. I wanted to show you guys with a ball and this is from marnie alton's uh website And this is something you can start doing just at home just to play with that So the so this root chakra is in your perineum. It's like in your crotch So but what what cindy which i don't think you guys heard her say when you have issues sometimes that manifest in like hip issues Or knee issues and so what we have with the root chakras We also have what we call a bunda, which is a lock and it's called mulla bunda So the root lock and the same thing with the chakra Starting from the big toe going all the way up through the center of the leg this inner thigh Into that root chakra into that bunda is also kind of the base of that chakra as well the roots of it So if you have a ball even if you get grab it from your kids You just stick the ball on if you guys can see you stick it just in between your legs And you can just start to squeeze Kind of like a thymaster if we have people I laugh I use the thymaster a lot as an example You guys cindy knows this and the older I get The younger the students gets and now people don't know what that is I feel really old. I'm like go ask your mom. It's probably in your mom's basement somewhere So it's getting those so when you start to actually physically exercise your body You're going to start to feel different sensations and different emotional triggers come up And so for me, that's always a really great place to start is to really just get into your body and really start looking and observing The the thoughts the vrittis as we say in sanskrit the thoughts that come up With something as simple all you're doing is squeezing a ball between your legs But look at the thoughts that start to come up with that, you know And so journaling also is great. You can start to journal. Obviously do your research Cindy, I'll pass the ball over to you now Literally, I can throw it to you since um since you're kind of expert on this What is something that that people can do to help them start addressing this root chakra issue? Well, um, it is to be very much aware of the relationship that you have with money If that is if we're still talking about that that like if we're talking if we're still talking about money itself Is to look at the relationship that you have with it instead of trying to avoid it or trying to blame other people for your For your situation Um, and that's so hard to do I mean, it really is because it it said it hits us on so many different levels to look to look and see um Where like we're we're responsible for our own thoughts and the first thing is is to Is to take that responsibility back for yourself if you will and I know that's not very popular You know people don't like to hear that, you know, they'd rather be well It's their fault or it's the government's fault or it's these people's fault or it's that It's so much easier to to keep that mindset But the first thing that has to happen is for you to take personal responsibility for your own thought and your own belief system Once you're willing to actually do that and and there is a willingness in that because it like I said It's so easy to blame and most of us just get stuck there and stay there forever But once you're actually willing to take responsibility for Your thoughts and everything then you can start the process of actually going in and healing And yeah, and a lot of it a lot of it is very deeply rooted in ancestral stuff I mean you could be carrying money blockages that have been passed down to you from generations to generations to generations And it's almost like it's embedded within your within your dna Um, you know if you grew up with you know parents or grandparents Who you know say certain things about money like, you know, what jay was talking about You know money doesn't go around trees or any of the things any of those belief systems um That is where The work really begins and to take a look at that and see how much of that have you bought into like how How much of the lies are you actually believing? But yeah, I mean taking the the root of the responsibility that that has to come first and a willingness to not blame everyone else for For your problems even even though that's not fun and they said it's much easier to To blame other people and makes you feel better right to take responsibility at first It's going to make you feel bad and most of us don't want to like go into that space within ourselves and do that But that's where any of the work begins and that's definitely where like abundance and root chakra because the The the main emotion that feeds into the root chakra the negative one anyways is fear And fear can be very strong and predominant and um, it's the base of a whole lot of other Stuff that goes on and having to actually face your fear I mean most of us would rather die than to face our fear. We don't realize how deeply impactful that is for us So facing your deepest fears. It's like, oh, you mean I have to do that You know if it depends. Yeah, I mean if you actually want to change your life and to you know Make a difference and and like some of that if you have the lack mentality and all that facing the fears Is what's it's the first step and what's going to take you Through it so that you can start to align yourself I'm sure we talk a lot about alignment, especially energetic alignment to begin to align yourself with That the the energy of abundance and gratitude And all of those things but it coming from A sincere level, you know, not just so i'm just going to say these affirmations and the hope that my life gets better You know, it's like really taking it more deeply Into what those root of the the fears are and those belief systems and you know, maybe having to clear and do some of that ancestral work and and seeing how much of that stuff that you're carrying and then um Yeah, and then just you know going on from there and like you know Instead before you know money symbolizes so many things so many things like self-worth you know, how worthy do you feel of Of having abundance. Do you feel like you're not worthy of it at all when you look at other people that are more wealthy? Do you relate to them at all or are you like? Oh, I just don't fit in with that Like that's not me. That just seems like a totally different um Just like a whole different You know those the people who have money don't look like me for instance Those are the kind of thoughts and beliefs that you want to start to to get into And see where some of that originated from Yeah, what about you guys Catherine and Jay any last advice or exercises for people to do to start to um That's great. Cindy. That's I think that was that was perfect But any advice you guys have for people just to start course correcting and start to like address these issues within themselves Well, first and foremost, I think we might need to part two But my Such an important area because if you can crack this one But I just want people to think if you honestly think That what hasn't happened now today or what you haven't achieved by now today has got any impact on what you can achieve tomorrow Just look all around you today is the first day of the rest of your life And everything up until here has just been a lesson the last three years and we talked about the last three years I know for a lot of people it's been a lot longer But the best way to create is to find out what you don't like if you're in a position Where you haven't got the money the abundance that you want Absolutely brilliant get creating because there's examples every single way in nature in the world all around you That what you've done up until now you've accumulated a lot of lessons And if that's got you to a place where you're not particularly happy Hallelujah because now you've got all the skills to move forward and create what you do So like the good old saying when's the best time to plant a tree 20 years ago When's the next best time to plant a tree today? So plant your tree to decide to do something about it today You do not have to have the answers But really genuinely honestly open yourself up to asking for them to come to you and they'll come Well said, you know we talk about um on on your shows like the the 5d economy Which is becoming abundant by helping other people become an abundant and I really believe You know we've been really blessed to be at the top of our game in multiple different ventures sales Organizations and things like that But the problem I see with a lot of that and even looking at it from that perspective And maybe this is something that some of these companies can take a look at as they put a chart For example the top and then they're the bottom And so I think when people start to see themselves in the bottom long enough They're like, I don't think I want to feel like that anymore and then they jump out So I think that you know if you are looking at it from a perspective of you're Competing if you look at money as a competition. It's not a healthy way to look at money. It's not because Nobody ultimately ever wins that game all the time, you know I mean sometimes you'll win sometimes you won't if you just look at money as part of your existence And that's what you need and you remove it like, okay Well, I got to get to this level Or I got to get to this level because this person's there and you just look at it as your own level You're in the game. You're in the game of life Play the game of life You make 20 gazillion dollars because now you're not worried about someone else that you don't know in another country That's made 30 because you're just not you don't even know you're not even processing their thoughts But when that's thrown in which is the way life is right now a lot of those um Because I feel for that people that that's either and again, I look at it from the perspective again You know, I'm there. I know what it's like, but I feel for people I'm like, uh, you know what that's nice that we see ourselves there But I look at some of the things I'm like that kind of sucks Yeah, I could imagine doing that and I could just only imagine what that feels like to to know that so maybe Remove yourselves from positions if you really want to do that remove yourself from a position where you feel like you're being compared Right and then and then do your own comparison get your own stuff straight get your own Body straight your own mind straight get to your level Playing feel first and then if you want to and then jump back in and get into the competitive world If that's what you want to do, but don't start that way because it never ends Well, it doesn't you know, it really it just doesn't it just doesn't I think that would help people But stop comparing yourself along with an answer there. I would say stop comparing the game of money It's just part. It's just like you don't compare with some people's kitchens. You know what I mean? You know, you everybody eats differently. So just make your own money That's one of my favorite quotes comparison is the thief of all joy And you know, I will say to you, right? I know we have to hop off soon because Cindy zoom is going to be used for a class But um, I will say it's funny what you perceive about other people often isn't the case either I just had an incident where somebody perceived that I Because i'm on youtube and this very wealthy person And that's not true at all. You know, I do well, but I'm not because of a sia, but I'm not I'm not You know, so people you what you perceive off of people are your own insecurities not necessarily the truth You know, so that's great. Jay. Don't judge yourself. Don't compare yourself to other people You know other people have more bills than I have and so maybe they make more money, but it doesn't mean they have less spending money You know, so there's no there's it's just ridiculous. Don't compare yourself to anybody else You are strong enough to take care of yourself You wouldn't be on this planet if you couldn't do that and as captain says look at the animals are the fox is not Like jealous about the other fox's house. Are they? So not when I've spoken to them anyway But you know, you're look at your dog your dog doesn't care whether you live in a cardboard box or a mansion You know, it's it's uh, actually we lived in a bigger house I think our dog would be pissed because he wants us in the same room all the time So, you know, that would be even harder friend than we were a bit more spread out So so yeah, I don't compare yourself and you're you know, and I yeah Let's do a part too because this is definitely gonna be needed So I'll say that in closing if this is really intrigued you watching and you're having some revelations about yourself Share whatever you want to in the comment section about these revelations because it might help somebody else If you want to share them But if this is leading to more questions Then please ask them in the comment section below so we can address them in our next episode because this is so important I think that this is kind of no pun intended, but this is or maybe the pun is intended This is the root of um why people can't get out of the main the 3d matrix and into the 5d um matrix So anyway guys, well, thank you guys so much. This was incredible Um, I will talk to all of y'all soon. Bye everybody. Bye. Bye