 Hi, good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Mentringa. It's good to see all of you. This is a time that we take time to answer questions, answer doubts, share testimonies. So welcome this morning. We could start with a word of prayer. And may I request any one of the students to start with a word of prayer? John, would you like to start with a word of prayer? Yeah, sure. Father, we want to thank you for this time, Lord. We submit ourselves into your hands as you come before your presence for this time of Mentringa. Lord, we pray that we would be able to clarify our doubts before your presence and pray to God for all the faculties that you would anoint them with your word and we would be satisfied with your knowledge and your wisdom through them, Lord. And thank you in Jesus' name. Thank you, John. Thank you. So welcome once again. This is a time that we take to discuss or bring up questions that we may have in something that we've learned or something that you've had in your own personal study, anything to do with ministry, with Christian life or any topic that you feel can be addressed here. We have all our faculty here and we will take time to address your questions. So you could either put your questions up on the chat or you could quickly unmute and give us your question and we'll do our best to answer these. So it's open for questions. You could take, you could go ahead and post your questions. Yeah, this is Jaya. Hi, Jaya. I am a student of your eLearn portal. Welcome, Jaya. Welcome. For the first time I've joined. I had some questions in mind regarding Matthew chapter 13. It talks about good seed and weed. It talks about good fish and bad fish. So my question is what about the weeds and what about the bad fish because what God is saying that till at the end of age, they will be judged and all. So till the end of age, I think they have hope which can still pray for such weeds and bad fish, right? Or what God wants to say here? What are the weeds? Who are the weeds? Who are the bad fish? Okay. Thank you, Jaya. Jaya, you've made reference to the parable of the weeds that's found in Matthew 1324 onwards. Am I right? Yes. Is that what your reference is? Yes. Your question is, I think you have a couple of questions. The first question that you had was who are the weeds and what does that mean? And what happens? Does it mean that there will be judgment on the weeds till the last day? Wouldn't they have the opportunity to repent and come back? That is your question, right? Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Jaya, for the question. I'm opening this up to our faculty. If anybody would kindly take up this question and address Jaya, please. Any of our faculty? Pastor Nancy or Pastor Paul. Hi. Good morning, everyone. Thank you, Jean, and thank you, Jaya, for that question. So, Jaya, the question that you asked is that, you know, if there is time for the tears and I think you are also referring to the parable of the dragnet, which is from verse 47 in Matthew 13. So, the question you're asking is whether there is opportunity for the tears to change or, you know, those who are not God's people to change? Isn't it? Yes. Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, as we see, Jaya, the Lord Jesus has died for all of mankind and anyone who accepts him, anyone who receives him, they have the opportunity to, I mean, they change because of salvation, which they have received. So, yes, my answer would be yes, there is opportunity to change. And in both of these parables itself, like you can see that there is a time at which, you know, God puts an end to life here on earth. And that's the time of, that's the time when, you know, judgment will begin. So, till such time, yes, there is an opportunity for people to come to know the Lord. So, that would be my answer. I think maybe the others could add to it to correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor Nancy. Anybody else, Pastor Ashish, would you like to add anything, Pastor? Yeah, I think pretty much, you know, I agree with what Nancy already said. So basically, you know, in both these parables, the Lord is just showing us that there are going to be two groups of people, those who are saved and those who are unsaved. And of course, till their last moment, every unsaved person has the opportunity to turn to the Lord. But the final separation between the saved and the unsaved. He's just using pictures, you know, whether it's the weeds and the tears or the dragon at the fish to just show us, you know, help us understand this separation that is going to happen. And yeah, and so then we know, and when you read in Revelation 20, the last few verses, that is that final great white throne judgment when, you know, we will all be separated. And so that's, so I agree with what, you know, what Nancy has said. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you. Thank you, Jaya. Thank you for that question and welcome. So good to have you here. We have another question, rather two questions from John. So he's bought about two references. The first one is first Corinthians 1514 to 41. I think I'll just read that and also post it here. It reads, there are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies, but the glory of the celestial is one and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon and another glory of the stars for one star differs from one another star in glory. So John's question is, does this mean that there could be differences in the glory that we possess when we reach? Okay. Would anybody like to take up that question? Yeah, I think the answer is, we just have to read verse 42. So John, if you read verse 42, it tells us what the comparison is. So, I'll just read it. I want the other reference. Okay. I can read that for you. So it's verse 42 says, so also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption. It is raised in corruption. Yeah, so what he's comparing is the natural and the spiritual, the corruptible body, which we live in, and the incorruptible body, which we receive. So he's not talking about different people, glories in heaven, but he's just doing a simple comparison between the physical body and the spiritual body. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you, John. The second question that he's put up is on Daniel 12-2. I'll just read that verse again. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, some to shame, and everlasting contempt. So John's question is, the shame mentioned in this verse, is that among believers after resurrection or unbelievers as a whole? Would somebody like to take up that question? Yeah. So, again, here, the answer is, it's in the verse itself, Daniel 12-2 is just talking about people dying, right? So the context is many. The context is not specifically believers, but many. So many will die, lots of people will die, which we know has been happening since the beginning of time. And some will rise to eternal life being saved and some will be to eternal things. So the answer is in the beginning of the verse. The verse says, many will die. So it's inclusive. Basically, it's all people who will die and then summarize to one side of light and some to shame. Yeah. Thanks, Pastor. The reason I asked was I heard some summons saying the other way. So what I heard was when you even when you go to heaven, if you are not fully sanctified, there would be differences in the glory so that you will be ashamed looking at the other person. They have more glory. So these were the two scriptures where they took to prove it. So that is one. Thanks, Pastor. So I think when you look at the first passage, I mean, if somebody had preached a message using verses 40 and 40, preached the message that you said, you know, using verse 40 and 41. I think it's a classic example of not reading the whole context. You know, it's a good example of how we can preach something that's not biblical using scriptures by taking something out of context. So verse 40 and 41, the context is verse 42, or actually the whole, you know, think he's talking about body and the resurrection, right? So what, you know, whoever's preaching that sermon, they took these two verses out of context and preached a message. So, you know, then you could just say anything. So this is just a good example of bad preaching, you know, with something we should never do. And the same thing in Daniel 12 to, you know, the, it's just clear that and how do we interpret Daniel 12 to we should interpret it in the light of the rest of scripture. What is the rest of scripture teaches you know that. Like, you know, we saw Matthew 13 and there's so many other places where every person, every person, you know, it's going to be raised up and then separated. So the context of Daniel 12 to also is, again, when that same message was misused, but these are it's good that you observe it. So they become examples for us on how not to preach the word of God. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for sharing. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you, John. So that's a good reminder for us to be careful of not taking things out of context. Thank you. Yeah, we're open for questions. So you're free to add in your question. And Avni has put in a question. Hebrews 11 39 40 39 to 40. These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. Since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us, would they be made perfect. I need some light on verse 40, especially. Avni, is there something specific that you would like to bring about? Good morning, ma'am. Yes, my question is, it says that only together with us would they be made perfect. So just wanted to understand what exactly does it mean like. Okay, you're looking for who the day is in the context. And what does it mean that only with me, they would be made perfect. So what does it exactly mean? And that's what I wanted to know. Okay, all right, so only together with us, would they be made perfect. Yes, I'm opening the question up for our faculty to respond. Okay, thank you, Avni for that question. Can I go ahead? Yes, please, please. Yes, thank you. Thank you, Jean. So Avni, my understanding is that there are some promises that don't just involve one individual, but it could involve people intergenerationally. It could involve people across generations. For example, you know, even taking Abraham for that matter, there was, I mean, God said so many things to him. He made several promises. And one of which was that he would have a son, but then we also know that God said he would give him land. He would bless him with descendants and that they would fill the earth. So the thing is, like Abraham, yes, he saw the birth of Isaac, but then when you think about his descendants and the possession of the land, which God was to give him, that would happen later. So in a sense, what even though, you know, it says that along with us, they will be made perfect. What it means is that there is involvement of others also in the fulfillment of that whole promise, if I can call it, that God has made to an individual person. So that's what, you know, it means it doesn't mean that, you know, in some way we are going to be made perfect or, you know, complete. So that is not the interpretation, but basically the fulfillment of God's promise involves several people. And yes, there could be some, like for example, even you could take Abraham earlier in that passage, you see that he lived in tents, you know, Isaac lived in tents. So they did not really, he did not really possess the land the way God had promised him in his lifetime. But yes, things began to unfold from then on. So, yeah, that would be my understanding. And I think I will leave it at that if somebody else could also add to this. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor Nancy. Anybody else would like to add in any further insights? Yes, Pastor. Yeah, so thanks Nancy for sharing that. So if you, when we, you know, so again, here we have to look at the context. So he's summing up two things in verses 39 and 40. But the context is in the verses before. So in Hebrews 11, one of the things he talks about all these heroes of faith, especially as he points to Abraham, is he says that they were looking for a city whose builder and maker was God. Right. So you see this in Hebrews 11 verse 16. And then if you back up again in Hebrews 11 13, he talks about they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth, but they were looking forward to what they were looking to a city. Now, was again, then you back up and you read verse 10, a city whose builder and maker is God. So, so the context and it's repeated several times in Hebrews 11 verse 10 verse 13 was, was 16. He's repeating the same thing. He's saying, you know, these people of faith, they all did what they had to do in their lifetime, but they were looking for something ahead. And what were they looking for a city whose builder maker is God. Right. That's what they were looking for and that's something they did not receive in their lifetime. So Abraham received his promise, which was the land of Canaan. But he was not looking just for a land of the land of Canaan, he was looking for a heavenly country. He was looking for a city whose builder maker is God. You know, and all these people, they lived as pilgrims on the earth. So you see this repeated many times verse 10 verse 13 verse 16. So that's the context. And so when the writer concludes, he's saying, look, they didn't receive that city in their lifetime. Why? Because God wanted everybody, the Old Testament saints as well as the New Testament saints to receive that at the same time. So that's what he's summing up in verses 39 and 40. Right. So he says, they all obtained a good testimony through their faith. That means, you know, they, they did what they had to do through faith was 39. They had a good report. God says, well done. I'm giving you 100 on 100. You did what you had to do in your lifetime. But the thing that you were looking for, which is the city whose builder maker is God, you will, you know, a found, you know, an eternal city. Old Testament and New Testament saints are going to enter into together. So that's what he is speaking of here, that God having provided something better for us that they should not be made perfect apart from them. Right. So this is something else we've mentioned in our course on the end times when we, you know, and if you go back to the course notes, you will see it there. As one of the reasons why we believe that Old Testament saints will be part of the rapture. It's in your course notes. We say, we quote this, Hebrews 11, 39 and 40. We mentioned these verses saying that because we, the reason we can say Old Testament saints will be part of the New Testament saints in the rapture is because God said, you know, we will together enter into what he has prepared. Right. So when the rapture takes place, he will come with him. Right. And then we also mentioned at the end of the seven year tribulation, when the Lord Jesus comes from heaven, whom will he come with? He'll come with thousands and 10 thousands of the saints. So the saints are ushered into the millennium. Who are the saints? Old Testament and New Testament. We're entering in together into what God has prepared. So if you look at the context, we will know what, you know what, what he's talking about. I hope that helps. Everything Nancy said is, is, is, I agree with, but I'm just explaining Hebrews 11, 39 to 40 in its context. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor. I trust that answers your question. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah. Yes. Open again for questions. Anybody would like to bring in questions, please feel free to do so. The questions can be also part of what you're learning right now. So feel free to bring that up here as well. Yes, Taisha. Good morning. Yes, Taisha. Go ahead. Good morning everyone. I wanted to ask a question. According to Genesis 26, and there was another reference as well that speaks about verse seven and he says, and his sons referring to, to Jacob and his daughters with him and his daughters and his, and his son's daughters, and they brought him into Egypt. My question is, how many daughters did Jacob had? Because the Bible mentioned daughters, I know of one, the scripture mentioned one before, but then clear their name, but then it says daughters, which is a pure sense. And it's, there's another part in Genesis as well that mentioned daughters again. I'm trying to find it, but I just wanted some clarification. If there's any, if you know, how many daughters does it really have? Okay. So the question is, how many daughters, but as per the reference that Taisha mentioned, does Jacob have, would anybody like to take the question? So Taisha, I just did a quick search. And so the question is, how many daughters? Did Jacob have? So Genesis 46 verse 15 says, his sons and daughters were 33. So that's a big number. Taisha? Yes. Are you the person? Verse 15. Oh, and the soul of his sons and daughters were 30 and 33. But so I guess we would have to divide the 12 minus rather the 12. So you have more daughters than sons. Seems like it. I don't know. Okay. Didn't see that one. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Taisha. Thank you for that question. Thank you, Pastor. Opening it out again for questions that you could add in. You could also take some time to share what you've learned also. If you feel there aren't questions, any student would like to bring up something that you all have learned through the last week. I'll be helpful for each of us. Yes, Taisha, please go ahead. Okay. Thank you. I wanted to ask as it relates to counseling, right? I always wonder why? I know at some point you may have discussed it and I may have missed it. But I wanted to ask because doing the quiz, it came up and it was an observation. And why is it that in counseling, it is important that we show empathy instead of being sympathetic? Because when things happen to people like, oh, and it's nature. Firstly, you start feeling some type of way for them. You start feeling sorry for them or something like that. But why is it, though, in counseling, it is not, is it that it's a rule? We should not do it and we maintain some professionalism. Is it a given rule? That's my question. Or it's just to say you tend to understand how people feel, how this may be, may impact the individual, understand that the situation but take feelings out of it. Okay. Thank you, Taisha. Taisha's question was in counseling. Why is it that we use empathy and not sympathy? So is that a rule or is that something that is very core to counseling? Yeah, maybe I'll take that question and then I'll open it out for anybody else who'd have some thoughts because I'm sure as pastors we've all, or as faculty or people in the ministry have dealt with people with struggles and difficulties. So empathy, as it defines, it is putting yourself in the shoes of another where you are feeling as the other would feel whereas sympathy is one where you stand off from experiencing what the other person may be going through. Why is empathy important in counseling is as a person shares their difficulties or their challenges with you, they are also looking at someone entering into their own frame of understanding to look at the problem rather than looking at it as an outsider, rather than you zooming out and looking at it as a third person. In counseling what you do or one of the processes of it is to feel as if a counseling may be feeling because it's only when you step into the shoes of somebody else are you able to really experience to some extent, maybe not in the degree that they have the pain or the struggles that they're going through. So to be able to see it, see a situation or challenge from their point of view rather than looking at it from your point of view. So sympathy generally is looking at it from my own point of view whereas empathy is looking at it, you're understanding their view of the problem in itself. And that's what engages counseling in the process of counseling where they experience that someone has understood them as the way that they wanted to be, they wish to be understood. And when that kind of a position is kept, they are able to look forward to find solutions. So in sympathy again, when you play the role of sympathy, you're probably giving suggestions and advice. But when you're empathizing, you're walking alongside with them to facilitate solutions on their own. And that's what you want to do in counseling is not that a counselor depends on a counselor at all points of time, but for them to be challenged to find out solutions to their problem and you walk alongside with them with empathy. So that's the difference. And yes, in counseling, you use empathy and not sympathy. I hope that answers your question. Taysha, if not, I could open it up for any of the other faculty. I am clear. Thank you. You've answered it. Thank you. Thank you, Taysha. Thank you. Yes, Paul. Yes, Paul, you could go ahead and ask us your question. Yes, I want to learn about covenant hours. Praying during covenant hours. I think they are not biblical. They're not written in the Bible, but have ever had that emphasis being put that we should pray during covenant hours. And they say the covenant hours, both daytime and nighttime, is three o'clock, 12 o'clock, nine o'clock, six o'clock, then nine in the night, midnight, three to six. So I want to learn about it. What is the secret of praying during these covenant hours? Thank you, Paul. Yes, yes. Please go ahead. Yeah. Oh, because this is what is common in my country. It's the Bible school also aware about these covenant hours. So it is just something practiced in my country here only. Thank you. Paul, I would thank you for the question. I would just respond to the question in two ways. One is, I think this teaching on covenant hours is manmade, and it's not biblical. You don't find it in the Bible. At least not in the New Testament. In the Old Testament, yes, God instituted feasts. He instituted a day of the Sabbath, et cetera. But this whole teaching on, you know, you pray at these certain hours is not biblical. You don't find any of that instruction in the New Testament. And I'll mention two things. One is when you come to John chapter four, you know, the woman at the well asks Jesus, on which mountain should we worship? And so we could create a new doctrine called covenant place or covenant mountain. Which mountain should I go up to? Should I go up to this mountain or should I go up to that mountain? So Jesus' response is very simple. It's not about the mountain you go up to. You don't worship God based on something in the natural. He says, the Father, you worship God in spirit and in truth. It has nothing to do with a covenant mountain. It has nothing to do with covenant hour. It has nothing to do with a particular place. You worship God in spirit and in truth. And the Father seeks such to worship Him. Right? So that should settle once and for all for us that we can worship God the same way, 24 hours a day from any place, anywhere, right? Because we worship God or we pray in spirit and in truth. The second thing is, we must look at this as, you know, our covenant with God is something God instituted, God put in place. And the messenger of the covenant or you could say, the person who made this covenant, the Lord Jesus, is in heaven interceding for us 24-7. You know, he's always there. So our prayers are not going to get to heaven in any better way in certain hours of the day, right? But it's our high priest, a great high priest is there all the time, all the time, 24-7. So what does it matter? Now, if you look at it very practically, it's a big joke because six o'clock in the morning in one part of the world is six o'clock in the evening in other part of the world, right? So if somebody says you have to pray six a.m. in the morning, well, that's basically 24 hours a day because, you know, there's such a time difference. So it's not like... So basically, if somebody is praying six o'clock in the morning, one part of the world, it's a different time in another part of the world. So this whole teaching on covenant abadism, first of all, it's not biblical. As second practically, it's a joke. I hope I answered your question. Sorry if I was a little sarcastic, but... Yes, yes, you answered. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you, Paul, for your question. I think Charles has a follow-up question on covenant hours. If they can't be followed, then did God institute Sunday worship? Pastor, would you like to please take that question? Yeah. So Sunday worship was not instituted by God, but it was something that the church moved into, subsequent to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. So what was instituted by God was the Sabbath, which was Saturday, the seventh day. God said, on this day you rest and you focus on worship. But then what happened to the church? When the church was birthed, they got together on the first day of the week. You see this in the Book of Acts, which is Sunday. So God didn't tell them to meet on the first day of the week. The church just moved into it, and then we've continued with it. What does the Bible teach? Colossians chapter 2, the Bible says, and also Romans chapter 14. The data doesn't matter. So what does the scripture teach? The scripture teaches Romans chapter 14, and also... What was the thing I said now? Colossians chapter 2, that we don't observe, we don't follow Sabbaths or we don't observe days. Any day is fine. So in some part of the world, they worship on Sunday, many parts of the world. Some part of the world, the church worships on a Friday, especially the Middle East, because that's their day off. In India, in our city, some churches, they meet on Tuesdays because majority of the people, they get their day off on Tuesday. So if you look at the church globally today, the church is actually worshiping on different days of the week, depending on what is convenient to the people in that part of the world. Because the Bible says, we don't observe days. And then what did Jesus teach us? Even considering the Sabbath, he said the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. In other words, the man is not obligated to the day, but the day is obligated to man. That means you use whichever day you want. So the day is not greater than the man. The man is greater than the day. And God has given us seven days a week. You use whatever day you want. You are more important than the day. Thank you, Pastor. Paul, Charles, I hope that answered your question. Okay. Jaya, you have raised your hand. Would you like to unmute and ask us your question? Yes. Actually, I also minister to people. And what I find that many places, they are teaching about grace and all, and we just need to receive the blessing because he has made everything available on the cross. That is what is taught and that is what I see from the Bible. Again, in one Peter, he has put certain conditions. And that day I was listening to Pastor Ashish Raju sermon on James. There are certain conditions that you, these are the things that you need to live a godly life. And in one Peter chapter three verse 12, he has clearly written that not verse 12, it's 10. We have a desires to love life and see good days. Let him keep his tongue from evil and lives from speaking deceit and let him turn away from evil and do good. So like there, I find it little like if there is grace and then again, we are telling people that you need to inherit blessings. You need to do good to inherit blessings. So like how to teach them like they should not feel now that we are again binding them to law and rules and regulations. And then we are talking about unconditional grace and then again, we are putting conditions. Okay. Thank you, Jeff. Yeah. Yeah. I think your question is how do we help people with the knowledge of grace as against observing the law and how do we teach that? Okay. May I open this out to our pastors? Pastor Jay Kumar. You and the call. Sorry. No, I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Jean. Yeah. So so grace, as we know, as we understand, is something that is unmeditated, something that we do not deserve that God gives us. And grace, as we have studied it also means it's divine empowerment, also divine character. And grace, we know, is the freely given gifts of God, the carousel, the gifts of God. So grace involves all this, but yes, God does give us, we have access to salvation. We have access to the blessings of God and it's purely by the grace of God, because we don't have to perform anything to earn it to come to a place of saying that I have done this and therefore, you know, I'm in a better standing to, you know, to earn it. It is given to us by, by him. But what happens is when we do not walk in righteousness, you know, grace should actually grace actually empowers us to walk in righteousness when we do not, when we walk according to the flesh. When our mind, let's say is, when we are kindly minded as we see in Romans 8, we see that we are unable to, let me just read that scripture, Romans 8 and verse 5, for those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the spirit, the things of the spirit, fought to be kindly minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace, because the carnal mind is enmity against God. It is not subject to the law of God, not indeed can be. So then those who are in the flesh cannot please God and so on. So we see that when we are kindly minded, then our actions are also carnal and we are not in a place to, we are not, we are unable to please him. And so these things actually block, you know, or take us, or put us in a place of not being able to receive from him, which is not what God wants for us. So though God is extending these things freely to us, but he expects us to walk in grace, to walk in righteousness, to walk in holiness, to be able to receive, to be able to enjoy and walk in it fully. So the things that you shared, the scripture that what we've been also learning on Sunday, James, is something for us to walk out of that being empowered by grace. So we're not saying that it is not given freely, but then we are placing ourselves in a place where we block ourselves from walking righteousness. We block ourselves from the goodness of God, from receiving the grace of God. And that is, that is so very true. Right. So, yeah. Yes, would you like to add? Thank you. Anyone else like to add? Thank you. Thank you, Pastor Jekumar. Is there anyone else who'd like to add any other thoughts? Yes. Yes. Thank you, Pastor Jekumar. And thank you, Jean. I just want to share one scripture. I think that also can help us. It's the one John, sorry, John one and verse 14. It talks about Jesus. It says that the word became flesh dwelt among us and we be held as glory and the glory as of the only begotten of the father full of grace and truth. So I just want to, you know, point out here that even when you see the person of the Lord Jesus, there is grace, but that does not encourage us to cover up the truth. And, you know, vice versa. It goes together. Grace and truth go together. So for us to, as Pastor Jekumar said, empowered by grace to live a righteous life. You know, that's how it is meant to be. God wants us to walk in His grace and to also walk in His truth. So I just wanted to add that, Jean. Thank you. Thank you. Pastor Nancy. Jai, I hope that answered your question. Yes. Yes. Thank you so much. Thank you. Okay. There's one last question. I think we have time just to take this quickly. Zillatoli's question. I have observed many times during house visitations, people sharing, people sharing that to pray for them because they have a short life. They say some spiritual leaders whom they look up prophecy over them just for some inputs, how to minister to them because they fear and ask for prayer, even if we try explaining to them that, but they're still stuck with the prophecy. So Zillatoli, I suppose what you're asking is that when people ask for prayer, someone prophesies over them about their health or about something, and when you go to minister to them, they stay put on the prophecy that's over them. I understand that's your question. Yes, ma'am. Okay. So how should we minister to this one who is sick and unwell? Yes. I'm opening this out to our faculty. Pastor Roshan, would you like to take up that question? Yeah. I think we should share with them what God works as hard-working as people. Roshan, sorry, we're not able to hear you too well. Just a little closer to the mic or a little louder. Sorry, let me check the microphone. Maybe just to speak up a bit and I think we'll be able to hear you. Okay. Am I audible now? Yes. Yes, you are. Okay. So I think we'll just share with them about what really of the Bible says and what God's heart of people is and Genesis. I think one of the scriptures that says, his days shall be 120 years and the sound that says, with long life I will satisfy him. So we encourage those who we go to minister to saying that, hey, this is what God's heart is. Am I still audible? Yes, yes, you are. Okay. Yeah, I mean, that's my, that would be what I would tell them. Anybody else to add to that? Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor Roshan. I'd just like to add just one, especially Ziltoly, on what you said, how do you minister? And we go back to James 514 on that. And I'll just read that for you. Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church and let him pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the sick and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. So I think there's a, there is a pretty clear direction of how we can minister there, a couple of things. You call for the elders of the church, pray for him, anoint him, and the prayer of the faith will save the sick. So that is one, that is a way that you minister to them as written in scripture. I know there are many more points that we may have, but we've run out of time. Is there anyone else who'd like to quickly bring up anything further to Jaya's question? Yes. Just one, one's worse. It's 1 Corinthians 14 and this is specific to prophecy. 1 Corinthians 14 and verse three, right? It says, he who prophesies speaks edification, exhortation, and comfort to men. And he who speaks in the tongue edifies himself, but he prophesies edification, edifies the church. So we know that prophecy, which is the, the, the, the quickened word of God, which is spoken forth brings edification, exhortation, and comfort and not to stir up fear and not to put people in, you know, in a place of fear and unable to do anything. So that's prophecy. And the other thing also is that we are called to test every, every prophetic word test. If it is in line with the ways of God, it is in line with the word of God. And if it's in line with the, the principles that can, you know, governing prophecy itself, how prophecies to be delivered, how prophecies to be received. So, so therefore, so the person should not just swallow everything, you know, take everything and then live in fear, but really take it and test it. And no matter who the person is who has prophesied, tested and then if it is, if it, if it's valid with the word of God, then, you know, receive it and live according to it. So it's, it's not to create fear, but prophecy brings verification, exhortation and comfort to men. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all for joining in today for our mentoring hour. We will close. May I request one of the students to close with prayer. Anita or Rupa, would any of you like to just close with the word of prayer, please? Okay. Thank you. Father, thank you for this mentoring hour. Thank you for your presence and your wisdom that you have placed in your servants, Lord. Your clear our doubts and strengthen us. And Father, in your word, Father, and reinstating us in your truth, Master, we thank and praise you, Father. Fill us with more of your wisdom, knowledge and understanding that may be rooted in your word. Lord God, thank you for this time of strengthening. Father, we commit ourselves and this day into your loving hands, lead our guide and strengthen our master and leader. We believe in your leadership, your authority or our lives into your loving hands. We commit ourselves in Jesus. Amen. Thank you Rupa. Thank you all for joining in. Have a blessed day. Have a good day. Bye-bye.