 Your pick in oh I left I left a space for it, but if you could put the link and stuff and such Well, it was sent to my email today. I've never done DTMS What an asshole No, I've been pretty bad at podcast things worried about saying bad words Ash he said Ash yeah, ah But your ass in the hole 30 days in the hole. Yeah, I'm not on camera. So it doesn't count That right? Is that how that works? It's that that's the hole in the sheet of podcasting. That's the ash And now And now the video is is on a delay. I'm gonna drop out drop out and come back real quick. Yeah, no worries Yeah, and Mr. Rounds of ill. Yeah, do you have any questions? I'm just reading over right now. Okay. Very good. Mr. Chang. Do you still have control? Yes, I will bow it at two Just reminder That will shut my audio What what I guys drop out good. Thanks Justin Bye Okay, how you doing Patrick voting my app, but it's working. I'm not gonna such anything. All right as long as it's working for now Everyone everyone Together need anything true data not jibe with comms course Yes, tune Tune has a different has a different bit of data. Is that what you're asking? Yeah. Yeah That looks very different though Yeah, well, it's one of the things we can talk about And Patrick I'm not probably gonna I'll start by introducing some of these numbers not all of them And then I'll say but and so you had this question and then you kind of explain the The bit does that work? Sure. Yeah, I Will wing it as I always do You're the best around Nothing's ever gonna bring you down All right, let's get going you guys ready Here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to Daily Tech news show dot com slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday September 20th 2016. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today as he does most Tuesdays Mr. Patrick Beja is back still in Paris, France. We learned in the pre-show that you are a Parisian Not a Parisian I You know, I'm trying to give the word a little bit more of a bad-ass Yeah, work out name. I don't know if it's yeah, but I'm trying it out We'll see what happens if it works out in this audience will expand it worldwide Basically, we're doing the AB testing and you're okay. Yes. Let us know what you think feedback at Daily Tech news show dot com Also joining us because Patrick has some questions about apps are apps still exciting Are they fun has the bloom gone off the app rose and so we decided to ask our friend Brent rounds of bill Who is also the proprietor of the mission pick app on the show? How's it going Brett? Great. Have you guys been spent at dog's age? Yeah, it has been Thanks for taking the time today if you're watching the video You may recognize that Brett is over at Justin Robert Young's set. So thanks to Justin for lending that as well. Yeah We are going to get to that app conversation First I want to tell you Sandisk showed off a prototype for a one terabyte SD card Not gonna be able to buy it anytime soon, but a terabyte SD card is in your future Now here are some more top stories Apple made Mac OS Sierra available for general download Tuesday So if you didn't already get the beta you can now officially get the official release and it officially was taking me like eight hours to download it So it's it's getting hammered right at the moment big edition is Siri for the desktop Available as an app for the dock and shown up in the menu bar. Also Mac OS Sierra lets you sync your desktop and documents folders with iCloud Optimize some storage it uses iCloud for that as well Puts Apple pay in Safari so you can use it on the web Gives you the option for tabs and more apps picture-in-picture in Safari real-time collaboration and iWork apps You can also unlock your OS 10 machine with Apple watch You can use that watch as a second factor authentication with OS 10 or I'm sorry Mac OS And those of you frustrated by the lack of stickers and iMessage on the desktop will be frustrated less You can only view them though You cannot send the stickers, but at least they won't show up as a separate attachment They'll actually stick to the thing they were meant to stick to I a lot of people are viewing this as sort of a very mundane Operating system update Patrick. What do you think? I really enjoyed ios 10 more than I thought I would so I'm willing to be surprised by Sierra Of course, I'm going to be doing the dance of am I going to install it and risk all my things getting broken So I don't know when I'm going to do it. But I mean Siri is the splashy feature That makes a lot of noise literally I think the bigger one is uh apple pay on the web though that gives a lot of people Access to other people's wallets in a very convenient manner. I believe Was it wired or ars Technica that made an article saying this is the big one and it's uh It's the most important update and I I agree with them just not needing to Enter all of your credit card information to pay for something Is significant I think and who knows if we ever get new max they might have uh fingerprint sensors on them That's been one of the rumors that's been kicking around out there That would feed into that as well. Uh, I'm sure I will play around with Siri But my guess is I won't use it a whole lot more than I already use it on ios So I I kind of feel like you're right that that's a splashy part of this announcement But the jury's still out on how many people are going to use it and how often how integral that will be on the desktop Brett do you use uh os 10 or mac os now? I do. Yeah, I feel like the most interesting part of this story Is that apple is finally retiring the term osx There's not a lot of software companies out there that will claim to be on the same version of software for 12 years now That's yeah, and and and and they're not moving to You know 11 they're not they're just yeah, and it's a very apple move to say You know what we're just going to have names because version numbers really don't mean anything Windows just skipped nine because they just thought it sounded better to have windows 10 And so at that at that same time you see apple just pulling away 10 like 10 doesn't matter 10's been devalued now So we're just not going to use it anymore We don't want one It seems likely as well that windows is going to stay on 10 for a good long while so Yeah, my my guess is what windows does is is a similar thing where they just eventually retire the number And it's just windows. Uh, what do they use though? What do they use? And xp right like they went away from numbers came back skipped one the number is almost completely meaningless at this point Yeah, uh, there were Oh, go ahead. Patrick. Sorry. There were using, uh, animal names for the uh, code names for the versions of windows I think they should do that. But just, you know, choose funny animals like windows Uh, platypus or you know, I don't know windows hummingbird. That's kind of cool That's like jaguar and they would just be accused of ripping off apple at that point though, wouldn't they? Yeah, maybe so okay choose something else way I know they could choose the names of other os's That would be really So windows os warp For example os to warp os next windows demian Yeah, I I don't know that they need names anymore Honestly, I guess they need names for the for the major update like the anniversary update that we're getting But I have a feeling that with with mac os We're just going to get a new update every year and they're going to call it something based on a national park apparently and uh For for windows, we'll just be getting major updates But we won't getting be getting boxed new versions of windows for a long time Sierra is actually a national force not a national park. Fair enough. Thank you for that clarification Yeah, we might get the year, uh possibly but I think big jim in the chat room has it Used dinosaur names windows velociraptor That is a good way to plot a kiss. Yeah Oh sierra. Yeah sierra was was torn apart by velociraptors The only way to better guarantee A high usage from like 80s and 90s kids is by licensing with hasbro and name them after transformers Oh my god I think it tells you everything you need to know about mac os sierra that that we sort of said Hey, these are neat features and then immediately moved on to coming up with new names All right, so let's move on uh with this other piece of news google sent out invitation stations pacific october 4th At a girardelli square in san francisco a teaser video for the event shows the google search box Stretched into a smartphone shaped rectangle. The event will be live streamed on youtube Rumors have expected two new phones the daydream vr device a 4k chromecast and an amazon echo competitor to possibly be announced android police has some leaked pictures of what they say are the new 5 inch and 5.5 inches Uh pixel phones and I believe there was a rumor for a pixel tablet as well. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're right It's guaranteed almost that we are going to get a phone I actually saw this teaser ad on television Yesterday evening my wife was watching live television on mbc and they played this ad So so that's the first time i've seen an announcement tease In primetime television and it was it was this what you're talking about where they just show a phone size device So they are definitely going to introduce a phone It sounds like it's going to be under the pixel brand and this will be a more google-owned Device than the nexus's were which were always sort of billed as google authorized, but built by somebody else We're supposedly they're going to have the g logo on them instead of a instead of a brand name like pixel And I I don't know. I mean you're guy. What do you guys guess? What else will we see? Will it just be the two phones or do you think we'll get this cavalcade of hardware? Maybe they're just trolling us and they're not going to announce a phone and they're going to be like what phone? Why no i don't think so no really you think they would do that Okay, no, of course. It's gotta be it's gonna be at least one phone I I didn't watch the video I only listened to the audio and I thought for sure we were going to get uh the google update to guardians of the galaxy volume Two right because they play that song from the opening. I got super excited about it and then clicked over and was like Oh, it's a phone. All right. Well, that's good No, look legitimately the thing i'm most excited about is uh google's foray into uh like the connected home devices Like amazon echo if they come out with something like that. I love my amazon echo I would happily buy a google one to keep alexa company. I feel like she deserves it And they would just talk to each other in chat. Yeah, yeah The gossip, you know the day these things start happening. It will be fantastic Yeah, I mean I already tried to get cortana to talk to alexa and they just won't carry on a conversation Maybe google will be nicer. My wife will use cortana. She loves cortana thinks cortana is really nice hates alexa Really? Yeah, we'll not we'll not use the amazon echo I don't like how dumb alexa is if you ask her like trivia or something But I do appreciate how well she does the things she specifically made to do Uh, we asked Cortana what we should have for dinner and cortana said well, do you want to turn the oven on or not? Oh, you don't well, how about a salad? You could start with some lettuce. Maybe some beans It was very helpful. We asked alexa and she said I don't really have an answer to that Also, you just turned on justin's echo Sorry, I probably turned on a lot of people's by the way, she didn't understand the question Yeah, I'm sure she she did it apologies to everyone Uh, yeah, I I I am excited to get back to the to the main announcement I am excited about pixel phones because I have a pixel c thanks to a listener in the audience that I love Now the pixel c I think was Because they made a big deal about the keyboard and the fact that now with android marshmallow You can do two things on it once and they they sort of build it as a laptop replacement Which I don't think it is and I don't use it for that But it is in every way as good of a tablet as an ipad Uh, which is the first time I can really say that about an android tablet The nexus 7 was nice, but mostly because of the form factor for me Whereas the pixel c is great. So if they can bring that to phones I think we could be looking at some really solid Smartphone competitors in a world where a new smartphone is not nearly as exciting as it used to be right It definitely seems like they might be going from everything we've heard than the rumors They're going what is you know being called the apple model, which is they're getting the design and Getting someone else to build it obviously they don't have the facilities But it seems that like it will be a google fully google branded Thing and that is definitely something to be excited about It will be a pure android experience of some kind even more so than the nexus devices I Interesting to see if that it plays into one of our later stories about their antitrust issue Yeah, and and and it does uh u.s. Department of Transportation released its federal automated vehicles policy outlining 15 safety Assessment objectives that manager manufacturers must meet guidelines cover details on not only how the cars function But how they record data what happens when they crash how they protect themselves against hacking and Quote how vehicles are programmed to address conflict dilemmas on the road The department plans on publishing the responses they receive in an annual report And the department is also seeking pre-market approval of autonomous cars They don't have pre-market approval of most cars right now and post-market regulation of over-the-air software updates The policy also suggests a model for state regulations on how to inspect and license Self-driving cars as well as law enforcement and insurance considerations That's something that needed because right now the states vary pretty widely in how they regulate these So there's a movement to want to kind of standardize that to make them very similar states can determine their own variations But they want to keep them pretty close public can comment for the next 60 days and the department will update the guidelines annually So I know that you know, I'm a european and so I I am obviously a lover of big government And uh many listeners will think that I'm crazy, but I think this is probably a good thing We're in a time where the uh automated vehicles are Kind of all over the place and we do need some rules not just to make sure that You know, no one is doing something silly, which certainly, you know, we have a few big actors right now, which are very Careful about what they're doing. It might not last but also to give a little bit of certainty in the industry Which I believe can also Help in its development So and and the way they're doing it with, you know comments as as many institutions have done in the past and an annual Revision of the guidelines seems to be the the way to do it. Hopefully we won't need that for the next 50 years But I think for the next few years it's positive Well, they have similar regulations for cars with humans in them One of the big needs for this is all of the regulations assume a human is at the wheel And so there really isn't a good way to apply those rules to something that doesn't have the human at the wheel Because the current regulations say if there's not a human at the wheel the car better be parked and off And and so we need to revise that and this to me is the first step in saying, okay Here's what we think the rules should be let's we've we've definitely met with stakeholders to develop this But let's get some public comment on it as well Let's get some transparency from the companies so that we can all see what's happening in this field As it rolls out. I compare this to what the FAA did with quad copters and UAVs And it feels and I know that it's unfair. These are apples and oranges But this feels like it is ahead of the game. We don't have But a few autonomous cars on the road right now. So this is the right time to say, all right Let's make it. Let's make a stab at regulations See how they fit as we go along rather than trying to put the Horse back in the barn later after the thunderstorm came and let the horse out who's mad because there are self-driving cars I think the interesting take on this is that uh, I don't disagree with it being a great idea But I think the problem with uh government often is not Whether or not they have good ideas, but whether or not they have good execution And this is a situation where there are a very limited number of people who are well versed in Autonomous cars and and the technology involved and now the government has to fight For those people if they want to have that same knowledge They're going to be going up against google and apple budgets to try and keep people in house Now that's a really good point. Uh, or at least figure out how to leverage that expertise as even that karnagy melin can attest People in the academic world who are usually borrowed by government for that sort of thing are increasingly being hired away into the private sector, right? All right, the riaa reports music sales in the first half of 2016 rose 8.1 to 3.4 billion dollars Streaming drove most of the growth rising 57 to 1 point 1.6 billion dollars accounting for half Of the industry sales paid subscriptions accounted for 1.01 billion of that number Physical sales tumbled 14 percent while downloads also shrank The music industry is on pace to experience two consecutive years of growth for the first time since 1998 and 1999 So get ready for the spin folks of how this doesn't mean the music industry has recovered yet Which is part truth. It hasn't actually recovered We still got to make it through the second half of this year And it's still just two years of minimal growth. We're not back to the peak yet But all of this Sturm and drong about streaming music services It has been my opinion for years that it was all because the scale wasn't there yet And the scale is starting to get there and it's starting to real really generate real money for the music industry I mean, definitely. We're not back where we were before But you're right the the biggest element of this is the streaming aspect and 8.1 percent in half a year that is Significant growth. I mean, it's going to be hard to spin it into Things aren't going well. They're not as good as they used to be but that growth is not insignificant piracy There's still piracy Also, we're they're making billions of dollars and we're just growing 8 percent billions and piracy. Also, did I mention piracy? Oh, do you write speeches for the ri? Yes, that was taken from a speech. I've been working on for them You know, it's funny. I've never seen all these stats laid out in a graph so beautifully before and it really makes it look like This shrinking of the music industry is actually more of a blip than anything else So it was it was less that it shrunk and more that they got really lucky in the early 90s Yeah, well, I mean iTunes is often blamed for you know stealing all all of the attention But but they also were able to prop up the music industry when piracy was a much bigger threat than it is now And and in this Bloomberg article, by the way They point out that the general one-year subscription to a streaming service that more and more people are using Not just the early adopters is around 120 dollars And that is more than the average consumer spent on CDs in a year even at the peak of the music industry So it is a very positive outlook for the ri. I think yeah to to for the people who aren't seeing the graph The the decline was from the mid 2000s to late 2000s, maybe 2008 2009 since 2010 it's been roughly stable. I mean A little bit down but really more more or less stable and it's about at the levels of 1990 So, you know, it's not like music didn't exist before 1990 And that's where we've been after that horrible horrible horrendous tumble from the, you know Terrible age of the internet that destroyed the industry. So and what you've put into perspective. Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely What you want to see as an industry is that that line continues to grow from the 90s up And so the fact that we've only gotten back to the 90s They look at and say yeah, but we we should be much farther if if things had going well We should never have declined and we should have we should be much farther ahead plus inflation, etc So yeah, of course, I you know, the point is it's a different thing saying, you know, business hasn't kept growing which is indisputable and Musicians are going to have to, you know Live in the street and can't make any money because of piracy. Absolutely when, you know, music is dying is basically the message we've been sold when this is what was happening the level of of industry size That we had in the 90s and, you know, bigger than everything until the 90s So that was the song they were singing Twilio provides software that lets developers build voice video or text messaging feature into apps We've talked about it before on dts here and there. It's an enterprise level thing. So what's app uses it uber uses it air bmb Uses it twilio has acquired the team that was mainly behind the corento open source project in madrid They also have some proprietary tech that they built for a group video conferencing product that did file transfer Desktop sharing and chat without the need of a plug-in So twilio ceo jeff lawson said this team will be the basis of all of our next generation cloud-based media services Twilio plans to develop augmented reality and facial recognition Video applications even if you don't know twilio You likely have used it at some point in someone else's app And the idea that they are going to continue to forge ahead and provide augmented reality Facial recognition object recognition means that in in these chat apps and these customer service apps that you use You're going to see that kind of machine intelligence Popping up on par with the sort of thing that you're expecting out of google assistant or siri or etc Not to say about that My comment would be twilio is a funny name that is so typical of we There are no names left You know a few years ago that we saw a lot of those Actually really exciting from a developer perspective Like we we've seen this trend towards libraries and sdks. They're really driving down the costs for development. We um I mean obviously we're building stuff that took 20 or 30 people to build like even eight years ago And and the fact that there are more of these coming out is really exciting. I think Augmented reality is kind of a story hook more than a feature But the messaging stuff any libraries that you can give to developers for a reduced rate because someone else built it is awesome I could I could see where mission pick might take advantage of some kind of image recognition There's all kinds of ways that you could use that if it was affordable and easy to implement Yeah, absolutely even the messaging that that's all very exciting stuff as far as i'm concerned I can't wait to take a look at it You know what guys I would really have appreciated if you didn't have an insightful insightful comment after The name thanks Now you can I mean not to disparage you magic twillio. It's a really silly name Thank you. Thank you. That's what I was looking for. Let's talk about what the european commission is up to to get back at us The european commission Well, it said on tuesday that it would give google more time to respond to charges that it abused its dominant position In mobile operating systems regarding bundling of google services on android google has until october 7th This is the third deadline extension google had separate has separate deadlines for other charges october 13th is the deadline to respond to accusations of favoring its own shipping services in search And october 5th for blocking competitors in search advertising They really are after google You know funny story to me It's it's the kind of thing we're like yes antitrust probably has its place But this is arguably the one situation where you want them to do what they're trying to do like what they're saying is We don't want you to force these carriers to use best-in-class search We want them to be able to force Verizon search onto the users or something Well and I mean it what gets me is that Google says you can use android without our apps We only put these Restrictions in if you want to use our apps and what the eu is saying is yes But your apps are so dominant in the marketplace. That's like not offering a choice It's you know, I think the exact issue is that The is the bundling of all of the google services, which means the app store cannot be used if you don't also have the other google services meaning, you know dmail all of those And there are issues where the Monopoly position does apply especially with google especially in europe this one I just don't understand really what you you want google to enable the use of the google app store Without bundling of the other on the other apps That doesn't compute if you don't want you know android as you were saying brett is available for everyone And you can use that operating system with your own service. It's the most open one There is you can really do whatever you want with it. You can even fork it to make it completely different it There are moments where You know, I was joking that I'm european and so blah blah blah are moments when uh things that The european commission and the european union do That make me want to pull my hair out and this is one of them It seems like one of those things where they're just really frustrated that there isn't a european company that does it as well as google does Well, and and they're even more successful google search is more dominant in europe than other parts of the the world android Especially with the decline of windows phone is more dominant than it is in many other parts of the world So it's an acute problem in europe for sure And again, there are certainly uh, some of those issues and some of those Investigations that I personally feel are can be justified This one doesn't seem like one Thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them and help us make the lineup every day at daily tech news show dot reddit.com That's a look at our top stories All right, so new data from comm score came out last friday showing that in the three month span between april and june 49 percent of us smartphone users did not download any apps in each month 49 percent now That's actually an improvement from the approximately 66 percent who didn't download apps in a three month period two years ago Though comm score says we've changed our methods. We've improved them quite a lot You really can't compare those two studies But it's showing that people on average aren't downloading a lot of apps of the people who do download apps The average number downloaded per person is three and a half 13 percent of smartphone owners account for more than 50 percent of all the apps downloaded And even if you go to a more favorable study like tune A company that works in the mobile app advertising market They found that 75 percent of smartphone owners downloaded at least one app a month But that still leaves 25 percent that work This is the the statistics that are behind a question that patrick and i were talking about earlier today patrick You're sort of asking About the search for apps. What was what's your question? so basically I do an app recommendation A podcast in french So I follow this market very closely and certainly there's been in the first few years after the app stores arrived A lot of excitement and I think everyone anyone reasonable would accept that kind of excitement to die down a little bit But it feels to me like it's it's gone beyond the idea that just apps have become Commodatized and we don't really think of them as much. I'm wondering if uh, there isn't kind of a Boring aspects of apps now. We don't have the super new exciting app that's coming out And everyone's not looking even in our communities, which are, you know, very tech centric and and aware of all of this We're not going around exchanging tips about, you know, the hottest new app or So i'm wondering if apps Aren't not on the decline. Well, they have declined for sure. I'm not saying they're going away But have they become boring? I guess is my is my question from a consumer point of view And definitely from a developer point of view, are we seeing A little bit less excitement for the apps in general So bret, you're on the front lines of this uh with an app that is successful and lots of apps are still successful I don't think patrick's saying that like he said the apps are dying But do you see a difference in the way people get excited about apps? Yeah, I actually think there's a lot going on there I think a big part of it is that uh all of the growth we're seeing in apps is in games So I would I would suspect that the majority of those people who are downloading two or more a month are downloading games Uh, and the one thing that makes that so much easier, especially in the apple app store Is that they're featuring new games every day, which leads the second big component of it, which I think is kind of the Nichefication of apps for lack of a better term. There there's a few big apps up there that we all use I bet we all took a picture of our home screens. We'd all have the same Five or six apps on there and then if we went to our second page, it would be completely different for everyone Uh, and I think that's kind of what we're seeing when you when you have 50 000 apps going up A month or a day or whatever it is then, uh, you're going to see this fracturing of the app store Patrick, what do you think? Oh, sorry? I thought I was having issues with my perision internet No, I mean perision for your internet I I I agree. I think there is Um, definitely the the the apps that we're using there are the few, you know, everyone has facebook twitter Well twitter, maybe not everyone but facebook instagram Uh, what's up and a couple of others? Uh, and the rest of the You know exciting movement in the app stores seem to be around games Um, and then once every once in a while there's an uber that comes up, but that's not really the app It's more of the service as a whole. Um, I guess a question would be When was the last time you got an app that got you really excited? Yeah, I think that's it exactly is those those exciting apps are still out there But they have to do something completely different or add such a value add to something you're already doing We're already capable of doing the things we need to do which is Message people talk to people send photos the things that get people excited are the ones that do that in like a slightly different way Like I would argue the biggest most useless most exciting app in recent memory is bitmoji That's the one where you were doing something a little bit different on top of something that we already have something that does really well It's basically old communication apps Again, remember the early days of the app stores We had like things to to to measure levels to see if your table was flat There were you know apps that would all of these quirky silly little things Did we realize that we don't need them or did we just do everything and now we're done because everything has been done I think that's exactly it that we didn't need those and what we were excited about in those moments Was not the app at all but the phone but like oh suddenly my phone has a lighter on it that I can blow out But it's the technology the phone that's exciting not the app Uh granted someone still made a bucket of money off of making a lighter app Well, and I'm I'm I'm thinking about this and I'm looking at my phone Some of the recent apps that I have installed are Memrise a foreign language learning app that is not particularly revolutionary But it has an advanced language System that I liked and went a little more advanced than duo lingo. So that's that's why I got it But it's it's incremental right. It's not something I'm raving about pokemon go. It's a game It's also a game that you know Isn't about the app. It's about the game that I play uh google trips, which just came out yesterday I downloaded to try uh and again That's about a service so to speak of organizing your information And I think this goes to what brett's talking about we're no longer excited about what a phone can do We're now on to the level that we are with our desktops and laptops Which is it doesn't really matter that the app takes advantage of some new thing in our computer It matters like is this doing something useful for me So what you guys are saying is that the apps weren't really about the apps I mean the the boom the apps boom I'm not talking about the galaxy note 7 here To saw that was we know it Um at the apps boom wasn't really about the apps It was about the phones and since the phones have become commoditized We've realized that there wasn't I mean Let's not say let's not be too extreme Of course the apps are huge and it's a big ecosystem and it's a big industry of course But it's just not as exciting because it was so tied to the phones that now that the phones have become You know a little bit more meh The apps have become meh with the phones Does that mean that at some point in the future if there is some new functionalities in the phones We're going to get excited about the apps again. Yeah, well you put that retina scan that that samsung added I'm seeing people getting really excited over the fact that they can now do samsung pay with their eyes And they're only excited about samsung pay in that instance because there's a new function on the phone I don't even think it's a bad thing. I think it was sort of a hey, we've got a new toy Let's see what it can do. We figured out what it's good at and now we're on to the more practical use of that tool Yeah, so what you think is the magic of the early days of the marriage is gone and now it's just routine Yeah, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. I don't think it's routine It's I think you still married a really Attractive lady who is great at cooking and sometimes she makes a really good meal that you weren't expecting Wow stereotyping sexism. That is a terrible analogy Uh, well, well, it could be it could be a man or a woman who married this cook Does it doesn't really matter? I mean that was talking about me. I married my wife and she is I Know what? In all honesty, let's flip this around you could have married a guy who was a horrible cook When you first married him 13 years ago But in the intervening time has learned and actually makes some things you really like and ask him to make Uh, and and and so that doesn't mean that you've lost excitement It doesn't mean that new skills aren't aren't you know popping up. It's just not that Newness anymore, right and that's even the kind of the same thing with uh, pokemon go to leave behind all these really awkward metaphors That was a thing that like I would I would say So many of the people that got excited about it got excited about because of the ar And then so many of those people shut off the ar within two days of use Yeah, like like pokemon go is fine and it's fun, but what's exciting is the new Yeah, and yeah, it's it's it's the new things are farther and farther apart as we get used to what these phones could do I guess it becomes incremental instead of suddenly going from a flip phone to a super computer in your pocket the the uh The job is now the phone manufacturers to get us I mean, I don't know. Is it is it is there a requirement that we have to be excited? Maybe not. I mean the it's just that the it was one of those moments where we thought everything was become was becoming apps And and the apps were so the old end all of all of it I and and everything is still becoming apps Uh, or at least everything is becoming software in some regard or another even if it's I mean the latest app I downloaded was the new remote for the apple tv like my computer. It's leaking onto my tv Yeah, well, I think we should be we we lost sight of what the web can do If you remember though, a lot of those early apps were just websites in a wrapper and thankfully that is rare now Uh, and we're we're starting to rediscover as as html 5 gets more more competitive as well We're starting to rediscover what an open platform like the web is good for and what software is good for and and they're good for different things I guess apps are I would say apps are less exciting, but as you were saying, it's maybe not a bad thing Yeah, well, uh, there's an app That you're excited about it's our pick of the day. Uh, patrick, what do you got for us? So it's an app and a service as we were saying. Uh, it's something called fleaks dot tv f l e e x Dot tv, uh, and it's going to be most well Maybe not super useful to the people listening now because you're already speaking english But for people who want to learn it's a service that allows you to Overlay video services on the web. They do it for YouTube netflix tad.com and one or two others with subtitles and uh, they can use subtitles in french England, I mean a lot of languages and english the service is to learn english But the really interesting thing that they can do is that they can display both Or you know, they can display english or french or another language again Or both at the same time or switch between english and french when the Things that are being said are too are on different levels of difficulty So if it's easy enough You're gonna have the english that you're trying to learn if it becomes a little bit too hard You're gonna have your native language that you are obviously more comfortable with so it I've tried it for a little bit. It's really well done It does on your computer. You know, it doesn't work everywhere. Obviously it works It has an app it works on the on the pc for netflix, for example, pc or mac Through the website, but it seems like a gs idea Just watch the thing you you enjoy the thing you want to have fun with and have that comfort of having the subtitles that You you you can understand when you when you can or the ones that you want to learn when it's difficult And I just actually thought that you can probably use it for learning other languages as well. Just set it to French and english and set it to the fact that you don't understand english at all So you're gonna have a lot of it in in french that could work. I suppose Yeah, I would like it to be avowedly for learning french or learning spanish or something like that I think that would be cool. Uh, and maybe if it if it does well enough as a is being marketed as an english language tool They'll they'll add that functionality. That'd be great Send your pics to us folks feedback at dailytechnewshow.com You can find more pics at dailytechnewshow.com slash pics got a few messages to get to before we're out of here Yesterday, we were talking about the idea of an endless newbie. Uh, the fact that as Tech continues to advance faster and faster. It's harder and harder to be experienced at things L. Mike Verdusco just finished his dissertation earlier this year focusing on digital literacy He said, yeah, for sure faculty are resistant to change because they just learned the last version But students also can be disadvantaged when it comes to skills and knowledge to be productive through technology For example, taking advantage of the feature of a word processor to minimize the effort to complete a quality document to submit Sounds like uh, some people in his classes Didn't hand in very good papers. Uh, he said they can be just as technophobic as some of the faculty Allen said I liken the endless newbie phenomenon to the peak tv phenomenon people will have to pick and choose What technology to learn and adapt and rich from lovely cleveland thinks we need an agent He said I could see a company offering an ai layer as a service that interacts with whatever software you have On a given device to achieve the goal set by the user I think the at some point the okay When I realized how difficult it was for some people to learn how to use a vcr Which was for the kids listening a very easy to use device to record things On on a tape. Um, I I realized there is no way that technology is going to be Learnable by everyone and that I I I agree I think that some people not just older people are just not learning they just don't like it They don't want to spend the time required to learn it Um, and I agree with rich basically that the only technology that will be That will enable everyone to use old technology is once ai is advanced enough that the interface You need to use it is just the regular conversational interface. So once we have, you know, uh, someone saying, uh That's okay, Dave. I can do your uh, I'm sorry I can't do that Exactly that will be the time when When when the newbie problem is going to go away not before All right, I'm sure the newbie problem ever goes away I think there's a Large sect of society that's completely content with living the exact lives they're living now any new technology Only brings added effort that they don't need to put out Yeah, and well, and I think the pace of technological innovation Brings the bar of who those people are Uh along a little so people that might have Said well, uh, okay I'm gonna make the effort Just start to give up because they're constantly facing software updates and interface changes and even concepts that they just don't understand Like I think snapchat is a great example of that where people who I know are technology enthusiasts and and and take up technology Just don't want to bother learning snapchat because they just don't get it and that's not even a hard thing. Yeah I I agree. I I do think snapchat was intentionally obscure though. So it's kind of a special special, uh case Oh my gosh, I I know that I could call mission pick intentionally obtuse Like oh, no, no, no anything that you're having a hard time with that's on purpose I I did that because I wanted to keep out the rip wrap But but that being said, uh, the issue isn't that it's technology The issue is that you have to learn something that you don't have to learn in everyday life And that's why I think uh ai when ai is clever enough that you can Use it with just conversational skills anyone who can talk to anyone who can have a conversation is going to be able to use it So that's why I'm saying at that point There won't be newbies because you already know how to talk to people and that's all the skills you're going to need Hopefully uh at some point I think that it actually if you're if you're trying to think of a world where the newbie problem goes away You have to go in the other direction. It has to be uh, not An increment like it doesn't have to be an easier way to upgrade. It has to make your life harder by not upgrading Like you have to reach a point like oh my gosh if I don't do this thing My life is going to be miserable as opposed to like, oh, it's so easy now Now I can do this one thing that I wasn't doing before Yeah, no, that's uh, that's a really interesting opposition point, which is like, yeah, you're going to be left behind I know you don't think that snapchat is is worth your time even though it has this crazy new ai interface So you don't have to learn the interface anymore But if you don't use it the self-driving car won't come and now your life is harder Right, I wouldn't I wouldn't even liken it to like actual literacy Like at some point everyone was okay with not having the the knowledge found in books because they could get it from their neighbor or whatever And then sooner or later books were everywhere. That was the only way to get it You literally have to learn to read or else you're left behind. Yeah, absolutely Well, that is it for this episode of the daily tech news show patrick vasia. Uh, thank you again as always What do you got to tell folks about this week? Let's tell them about pixels a show about video games and gaming news in general Which I had the immense pleasure of doing with tom. Was it yesterday? Yes. It was just yesterday morning I know it does feel a little longer because it was so yeah So you could learn all about uh, the playstation pro the tokyo games show and and a bunch of other things if you go to frenchspin.com and look for the latest episode of pixels and Aside from that i'm not patrick on twitter and facebook And uh, you've been alluding to mission pick throughout the episode. Uh, brett tell folks about it where they could find it How they could take advantage of it. Yeah, it's on iphone right now It's a mission pick and it's an app where every day everyone gets the same new photo challenge Then you take a photo that satisfies that challenge and then the community votes the photos up and down and creates these Leaderboards it's like really stunning photography. Uh, and we have an awesome community there. It's really fun to participate And if you checked it out at some point in the past and you haven't checked in within the last like three months or so You're 100 missing out Go get it check it out mission pick.com. Do you have any updates on an android version yet? Yes, the update is as soon as someone hands us a pile of money. We will start coding away Excellent. 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