 Going as far as we can in the direction of only developing cloud-native applications and using cloud-based resources by those applications, instead of, say, on-prem resources, reducing our reliance on, say, our mainframes and our on-prem VMs. And in terms of our legacy applications, it's getting them modernized, hopefully, but at least getting them containerized and moving them to Kubernetes so that they're portable. They can move from platform to platform.