 Hello and welcome to the Capitol Planning Commission meeting. This meeting is open to the public with both in-person attendance at City of Capitola Council Chambers at 420 Capitola Avenue and remote attendance if possible. Planning Commission and staff are attending in-person and remotely via Zoom. There are several ways for the public to watch and participate. Information on how to join the meeting via Zoom and make public comment during the meeting is available on our website, cityofcapitola.org on the meeting agenda. The public can also live stream the meeting on the city's website or on YouTube. As always, this meeting is cablecast live on Spectrum Communication Cable TV, Channel 8 in AT&T Uverse Channel 99 and is being recorded to be rebroadcast on the following Mondays and Fridays at 1 p.m. on Spectrum Channel 71 and Spectrum Channel 25. A recording of this meeting will also be available on the city's website after the meeting. Our technician tonight is Eric and as a reminder, please turn off all your cell phones during the meeting. Roll call. Commissioner Estee. Present. Commissioner Westman. Here. Commissioner Wilk. Here. Vice Chair Jensen. Present. And Chair Christensen. Here. And then Pledge of Allegiance. Item two, additions and deletions to the agenda. There are no changes to the agenda tonight. Thank you. Additional materials, item three. We did receive additional materials for tonight's agenda. Specifically, there were nine emails for item 7A and one email for item 7B. All of these have been added to the agenda packet and published online and distributed to the public via our newsletter. Thank you. Item four, oral communications. Members of the public may speak for up to three minutes, unless otherwise specified by the chair. Individuals may not speak for more than once during oral communications. All speakers must address the entire legislative body and will not be permitted to engage in dialogue. Serene. Please write your name. Hi. My name is Goron Klopic. Today at 6.03 a.m., I made a call because I was walking to the gym in Capitola from where I live in Soquel. I found a methamphetamine or cocaine at a gas station, and I called the CPD. When I did that, the officer, I don't know what he was thinking. He didn't comprehend what I wanted to come across with, but I wanted to tell him that I found. So I walked to the station to hand over what I found, and I was met with a lot of anguish, you know? Like, he didn't... I don't know why he reacted like that. I was a little bit shocked. So I went back home after the gym, and I called a friend that I know from the Naval Postgraduate School to talk to him about what he thinks I should have done. So I don't know what to do if I find stuff like that in the near future. I'm just not going to call anymore the CPD. Thank you very much. God bless you all. Thank you. Is there any other public comment? No, hearing none. Moving on to item five, planning commission, staff comments? Sorry. I have some, an update for you and the public. I just wanted to make sure everyone's aware that Capitola Avenue is scheduled to close for the bridge over Highway One, starting Monday, March 11th, so this coming Monday, and then also on March 23rd at 7 p.m., Highway One will be closed in order to demolish the bridge, and it will be a closure from 7 p.m. on Saturday night, the 23rd, and all day on the 24th. There'll be more messaging going out, but just want to make sure that everyone's aware. And that's the update. Thank you. Thank you. Is there any commission comments? I have a comment or question. Was there any training coming up in the League of Cities? I went last year, I think, Mr. Estee. Was there any training coming up or any future activities that we can participate in this year or other commissioners? I can look into that. There's definitely the APA, American Planning Association, California Conference in the fall, and then I can check in on the League of Cities training. Thank you. I can also add that there's a local government academy being hosted by city staff in the city manager's department. Members of the public can apply to learn more about how local government works. Thank you. And that class starts next week, so folks can, how long until they cut off? The registration may be closed at this time, but that is occurring next week. Okay, so if anyone's interested, let me know when we could make that. Moving on, Consent Calendar, Item Six. All matters listed under the Consent Calendar are considered by the Planning Commission to be routine and will be enacted by one motion in the form listed below. There will be no separate discussion on these items prior to the time of the Planning Commission votes on the action unless the Planning Commission requests specials, requests specific items to be discussed for separate review. Items pulled for separate discussion will be considered in the order listed on the agenda. We have two items, item A and item B. Item A is 417 Riverview Avenue and item B is 203 Fan Marway. Anybody? I have to recuse myself from both due to proximity. I have to recuse myself on one only. How do you want me to do that? Okay, so item A, 417 Riverview Avenue. Yes, I'm okay on that one. Okay. I'll second that. I'd also like to compliment the owners as well as city staff for guiding the owners into preserving the building as much as possible while upgrading its components to make it more, it'll stand for a much longer time. Do we need a roll call? Commissioner Estee. Aye. Commissioner Westman. Aye. Commissioner Wilk, recuse. Vice Chair Jensen. Yes. And Chair Christensen. Aye. Separate item. Item B, 203 Fan Mar. You have to recuse. I'm recusing myself. Okay. So. Me as well. Motion to approve 203 Fan Marway. I'll second. First and a second. We need a roll call. Commissioner Estee. Used. Commissioner Westman. Aye. Commissioner Wilk. Accused. Vice Chair Jensen. And Chair Christensen. Aye. Approved. Moving on to item seven, public hearings. Public hearings are intended to provide an opportunity for the public discussion of each listed item as a public hearing. The following procedure is as follows. First, staff presentation. Second, planning commission questions. Third, public comment. Fourth, planning commission deliberation and five decision. Item A is 1400 Wharf Road, Capitola Wharf. Okay. Thank you. I was going to be recusing myself from that item and I'd like to read a comment into the record regarding that issue. Okay. I have to recuse myself as well. So how should we? We need to draw straws for someone to serve as the chair, since our chair, vice chair are recusing themselves. So we'll need to go grab the straws. But I think we could. I think, I don't know. Yeah. So we'll draw straws and, but I think Commissioner Jensen, if you'd like, I think we could do that after they've recused themselves. All right. You'll go ahead. You had a statement. Yeah. So just like to quickly this reason, then I'll leave a copy of the city clerk. I've been advised by the city attorney to recuse myself from the item due to my voluntary role in a leader of the Capital War for Enhancement Committee. While I comply with this recusal, I expressed my disagreement in this decision for the record. It is a well established practice that our city leaders, both elected and appointed and actively to actively participate and lead volunteer efforts that benefit our community. Regrettably, the decision to enforce a recusal in the instance, sets a concerning precedent that may deter future civic engagement and leadership of community projects where there's no financial or fiscal interests involved. I urge the city to reconsider their stance and advocate for more transparent and consistent approach in evaluating potential conflicts of interest. This current position contradicts previous allowances and participation and poses a risk in the spirit of volunteerism in the community leadership and that is vital to our city's progress. Consequently, to ensure continuity clarity, I request the city publish its recusal analysis and advisory notice. As an advisory notice, this notice should be made available to any current serving individual or prospectively seeking to serve any decision making capacity for them to govern for the political reform act. It should include all marketing materials such as city websites and applications for service and specifically provided as a notice of those currently serving or who may be fully aware, who might not be fully aware of the implication of this analysis. I'm providing a statement for the clerk to be included in the minutes for this evening. I just, before we post draws, I just wanna clarify that under, just in case anyone in the audience is not clear of how Consent Calendar works, if your item was either 417 Riverview Avenue or 203 Fan Mar, those were both approved under the Consent Agenda and but now we're gonna move on to the regular agenda. So just to be clear. So the rule of necessity for the March, this applies to the March 7th, 2024 Planning Commission meeting public hearing item 7A. State law prohibits public officials from acting on matters in which they have certain economic interest. Two planning commissioners have disclosed disqualifying conflicts of interest in decisions related to public hearing item 7A. Without these conflicted members, oh, I'm sorry. Well, there is a quorum tonight. So tonight, I don't think I need to read through all of this to appoint the chair. I apologize. Can we just nominate a chair? I nominate Susan Westman as chair. Maybe get a second. Yeah, I'll second that. We vote on that. It's gonna be easier. If we don't need to do it, let's. You know, there's, is that fine? I think we should pull only because. I'm gonna be long. So I'm gonna start by showing the animation that was provided by Fuse Architecture who's been working on this project. So Fuse Architects was hired by the city to do that. Correct. This worked on my computer upstairs, but let's see, maybe it's, here we go. So the project before you tonight is for the Capitola Wharf and all of the extra enhancements that will be included. And Fuse Architecture was hired by the city to put this package together of all the final details and how they'll work together. And so they did some imagery, including both options for the donor panel walls, locations, they also show what it looks like at night with the lighting plan that they've proposed and how the gate functions in terms of currently the, it's pretty difficult to take off when we need to take off the archway, but this will just function and easily open up. So this is showing the second option for the panels with one on either side arch and then the panel set facing Cooper's Beach. So I just wanted to show that before we go into the presentation. Next slide please. So I wanted to start off with the staff recommendation as I'm changing it this evening from what was published in the staff report. In, when I started the review of the project, there was a recommendation by the city council for this to come back to planning commission. What I provided in the packet, I think was a bit incomplete in that there are quite a number of items that I did not include within the packet. And I think that it requires, they wanna bring the whole package back to planning commission. What was in the packet is really the overall items that we had Fuse architecture work on that there are other parts of the packet that are the improvements that were not in that first packet. Another error, there was one error in the staff report regarding the benches. They are not the same exact benches that are seen throughout Capitola. This is a different bench. It looks similar to the benches throughout Capitola. It's much lighter and it is actually affixed to the, would be affixed to the war. So just a couple points of clarification. I've modified the staff recommendation. And tonight I am looking for approval on the viewing stations, light posts, benches, tables and trash receptacles as we'd like to order those items in order to keep on schedule. But for tonight, I'm also asking that we continue the item to a date certain and we'll discuss that at the end of this item to identify a date. But to first get direction on a few items that were raised in the staff report and then we can go back to the drawing board, clean up the items. So we're all on the same page of exactly what's being approved by planning commission and bring it back to you in two weeks for all of the items to be in one place so that there's no question of what is included or is not included in the future of the wharf at this point. So with that we'll move on, but just wanted to highlight that. So a little history here back in 2020, the original planning commission approval of the wharf itself was approved by planning commission and with the request that staff bring back for review the pilings, the security gate bathroom and bathrooms. In January 5th, 2023, major storm damage occurred on the wharf and on May 4th, planning commission reviewed outstanding items. Those outstanding items were reviewed by planning commission and there was direction that the city council and staff look at the changes to the bathroom as well. And then on December 14th, 2023, city council reviewed the package for the wharf enhancements. They directed staff to take the final design back to the planning commission and then later when the bathroom that was ordered came in we also committed to bringing back the bathroom for final discussion on the exterior. So I'm gonna go into a lot of detail here. So the first item is the artwork. The Sean Monaghan of bronze work fine arts was selected to create 40 bronze art pieces that will be inlaid into the wharf deck and create a meandering pathway to four viewing areas. Next slide please. Also Catherine Cressetti is a local artist who produces mosaic tile panels. There's been I think two public outreach meetings at this point and a third one is scheduled coming up soon and these three images here are kind of the just some of the ideas that have come out of the preliminary meetings. Catherine's been contracted to create six panels for the entry gate and at this during those initial meetings I think the idea now is to have kelp along the pillars and then incorporate the shore birds along the donor wall panels. So he's going to do four. At this point I think they're still working through the final details due to the number of donors and it varies between four to seven panels for the donor wall and six panels on the entryway because the resides of the columns will be panels. So here's an image of the entrance gateway which I'm going to go into the details of that now. This is just showing the height so that's a human at six feet tall to the left. The top of the artwork is proposed right about at six feet, eight foot to the top of the column and then 10 foot at the very top of the post and then I don't have the measurement for the very top of the arc but I would estimate about 14 to 15 feet. Next slide please. The materials that are proposed for the Capitola War of Archway is a bronze ink or a type of steel and right now we're working on the budget for these items so the coloring will be the same but depending on the pricing, what metal will be utilized. So in here you're seeing the bronze zinc and we'll all focus on the column. The artwork is proposed to be 18 inches wide by six feet tall and then there's a perforated metal recessed or perforated metal above it with the dragon image in it and the year 2024 and then on the left side there's another dragon proposed that says the 28, or I'm sorry, it's 1981 the last time that there was major funding for the wharfs in 1980. Next slide please. This is showing an image of the illumination that's proposed with the wharf for the artwork. So within the entryway, the mosaic tiles of kelp will be, there's a down directed lighting that comes from the top of the column down and then also there's lighting proposed within the donor panels. Next slide please. So next I'll go into the recognition panel. So we're at this point, I don't think there's a definite number of panels identified. I think it's gonna vary between four and seven. Fuse did a great job of showing where the location of these panels will be. They showed within their rendering some artwork will be finalized through the public process that's currently going on with the artist but definitely on the donor panels will be the donor names and mosaic tile art. There's an idea of having fish, that different sized fish with the donor names on them but I don't think that that's still a work in progress so and that will be going to the art and cultural commission for final review. The donor panels are proposed. So we're actually for tonight for the planning commission purposes, it's really to approve the canvas in which the art could go on and the canvas is proposed at four feet tall by three feet wide and four inch spacing. That's how it's shown in these renderings. I think there needs to be a little bit of flexibility there because they're really trying to make this fit within the number of donors that have donated and the artwork so but location is something we're also seeking guidance on this evening. Is that picture to scale so only four fit on one side? For that size panel, four would fit on one side and then there's the city recognition panels across on the other side. The donor panels are funded through the C-WEP program and but like I said, there could be up to seven so we'd have to figure out how they would all, we'd have to figure out how they would fit correctly. If there's more than one location being completed. So the information that it could be between four and seven is new information that I learned in the past two days. So we could have the panels, we could continue the discussion on the panels until we know how many but at this point in general it'd be nice to get feedback from the planning commission of whether or not you'd like them in the entryway or on the wharf itself, that would be helpful. So two city recognition panels for sure. One of them will be from the 1980s when the wharf is rebuilt and we were required to keep that on site and then the new recognition panel tied to the current wharf update. Next slide please. And this is just showing the recognition panels on the right a better more clear view next slide and then option two for the donor panels to be once you walk on the wharf overlooking Hooper's beach it's where the area in which the wharf is widened. Next slide please. So next I'm gonna go into the entry signs and the wharf to wharf monument. So this is the corner of Cliff Drive and wharf road. And the idea here is to redo the landscaping in this area and have a new sign for the Capitola wharf. We also, one item that we need to update into the plan set is two palm trees will be planted in this area to replace there were two trees that were removed previously and then the stop sign will have to be relocated. Next slide. This is an image of the proposed entry sign and they're proposing to reutilize the wood from the wharf as well as put a bronze sign on top of it which would, they'd install stainless steel letters utilizing the same font that's on the wharf archway. So it would give it relief of between the wood, the bronze and then the lettering. Next slide. And this is just showing an image of what that would look like. This is showing across the way right now that the wharf to wharf, the end of the race there's a monument there on the ground and the idea is to lift this out of the ground so people see it and it would utilize similar materials to what's going on across the street with reutilized wood from the wharf as well as a bronze wrapping and next slide. So within the entry sign and wharf to wharf monument we're looking for feedback from the planning commission of whether or not you'd like the sign as it's proposed today or would you like to the second option would be to utilize the repurposed wharf plank wood base and the stainless steel letters but remove the bronze treated metal background or repurpose the wood base and attach a bronze panel that would have laser cut letters that with backlighting so it'd be internally illuminated. And then the fourth is to go with just cement formations that similar to what you see at the Capitola Library. And then here's an image of the bathroom which was delivered and that picture is from the wharf currently. Tonight we're looking for direction on the bathroom finishes of whether or not we should do some vertical wood planks to finish the bathroom or paint. And then the suggested colors from fuses are shown at the top. And the wood product that we would use would fade naturally so blend in with the wharf. So the five items that I mentioned earlier that we are seeking approval tonight on are the viewing stations, the light posts and poles, the benches, the tables and the trash receptacles and I have a slide on each of those. So first is the lighting. There's 10 light poles proposed and there's 10 out there currently so they would be in the same location as the lights are now but the lights, the posts right now are attached to the railings and so they would step out a little bit onto the wharf because they've got a base. The manufacturer's name is LUCA and it's the Irving Cozy Lighting. These images, they're actually both the same type of lighting. I re-verified this afternoon. So the image on the left is the image that was put in the packet through fuse. It has a dark gray color. Image to the right is the previously proposed lighting. It is the same manufacturer. It's just different colors. It's a blue lampshade with a white post. In talking with representatives from C-Web, the colors of the blue and white was something that the manufacturer provided for the rendering. My understanding is that there's no real set color at this point and it's really, we'd like the Planning Commission this evening to provide direction on the color of the lights. I think we'll go to the next slide. On this slide, these are the color options for the lamps, for the lights and what you're seeing with the stars are the recommended colors from the architectural firm, Fuse, but the Planning Commission could choose any color that you'd like. So their recommendation was the dark gray. Here's an image of the viewing stations. Four viewing stations are proposed. Each will have two heads. So one at ADA level. So a person in a wheelchair could look out and use the viewing station as well as somebody standing. There'll be a dedication plaque on each of these. So the fundraising that went along with them. And one of the viewing stations will have a monochrome lens for a colorblind person. The next is the benches. And I need to double check my number on this. I thought it was 40 benches. So I'm gonna double check that number. I think it's supposed to be 40. But I've listed here the manufacturer and the style of bench. And this is what I was clarifying in this staff report. I had said that they're the same benches that you see throughout the village. They are not the same bench. They will be fixed to the wharf. They can be removed if necessary. And they're much lighter. This is the table. And also with these images showing a green base, they'll be a galvanized steel frame. They'll last longer than the paint. So the color is not true in terms of the base what would go with a galvanized steel frame. Next slide. This is the trash can design. And again, the color is not true. It'd be a galvanized steel frame in order to for longevity. Next slide. So future items to be incorporated into the plants. There's a fish cleaning station, water filling station, a foot wash and bike racks. So those are things that I would bring back within the package for the next, for the meeting in two weeks. So tonight, my recommendation is to approve the viewing station light posts with the color chosen, benches, tables and trash receptacles, and then to provide direction on the entry archway, dedication panel placement, signs and the bathroom finish and then continue the wharf design enhancement to a date certain the two dates that I was thinking would be two weeks out on either March 20th or 21st. And I do think there was a conflict on the 20th for one planning commissioner that I heard of. So I think the 21st, if the three of you are available. So that concludes my presentation. We have Fuse here who is also going to come up and say a few words and then representatives from C-Web as well. Are there any questions? Let's take these one at a time. Let's just start with item one. Just talk about the things we're asked to approve and not go into some of the other things. We'll do that next. So are there any questions of staff on the viewing stations, light posts, benches, tables or trash receptacles? You know, I want to wait and hear from Fuse Architect and the group that raised the money to purchase these before. I have a question or two before we get into that presentation. So the lighting is downlighting, right? We don't have to worry about dark skies or anything like that. It's dark sky compliant. Very good. The luminaries can be adjusted. So on that question, if you go back to the slide it just gives a parameter to the lights. Are they 60 watt LEDs? Is that what that implies? That means 60 or 120 volts you can run at. I mean, how bright are these things? And I assume that we have to be LEDs by code, right? There you are. See the LIO dash 60 watt slash 120? Does anybody know if those are 60 watt or 600 watt or how bright these things are? My understanding is that you can- Please use lumens. My understanding is that they can be adjusted to, so we- Zero, can we turn them off at night? I mean, we're destroying the earth with unused lighting and we got 10 of them on our war. I don't think it's a good indication to the youth of the community that we're wasting precious air. I just, my personal comment, but we should minimize the power that these things use, my opinion. I was still on questions. Okay. Yeah, I don't have any other specific questions like that. So okay, let's go ahead and go reach out to the public and start with the views architects. If you have comments or presentation. Good evening, commissioners. My name is Dan Townsend. I'm with Fuse Architects. My business partner, Dan Gilmaz, back here, we're the design team for the capital of Worf. And first off, we just are grateful to have the opportunity to work on the Worf. I've been coming to the Worf since I was three, I think. So this is more than just a design project for us. For us, we spent quite a bit of time when we were awarded the contract in studying the Worf, the history of it, where it came from, the design behind the arch, the columns, the whole thing. And we met with city staff. We met with C-Web members and got a lot of feedback from the community events that have been happening. So our proposal is hopefully is a reflection of all of that research that we have done and we feel like the proposal fits within the parameters of what we've heard and gained feedback for. There's a lot of details in its, it is an arch. It's, when we studied the previous arch, there were some things in it that we took away. We said, we must keep these things. And those things were the fact that it was an arch. The text, the font, we liked the font. We also liked the detail, the ornamentation that's on top of it. And we also liked the meaning behind it, the two dragons in the pot and what that means for the community, the symbolism behind it. So we've kept all of those things. The size of the columns is slightly different. We felt like that was a good move and an improvement. That's our whole goal with this design process is to get feedback from all of the parties involved and try to make it better than it was. And we think the artwork, the mosaic, is a huge improvement to the message that the Capitol of Warf sends and the entryway. We also took some time, as you noticed, to come up with an arch design that swings. So as Katie mentioned, it doesn't have to be removed for emergencies. The gate that we show sliding with the Capitol of Seal on it. Our understanding is that is open 99% of the time. So that's why there's very little detail in it because it just won't be closed only for emergency purposes. But again, we're just, we're very honored to be a part of this. And we're here to answer any questions and provide any additional information you might have. Thank you. So my attempt to just talk about benches and lighting doesn't seem like it's gonna work. So anybody wants to open this up to both items? Okay, yeah. Yeah, so the Capitol of Warf enhancement project, I think we've got a representative, Gail Ortiz. We asked a few questions an hour later. I think they both had presentations to provide. And then I think we can go into questions after. Good evening, staff, good evening, commissioners. I'm wondering if it might be best for me to address my concerns or our concerns, our thoughts about the things that you wanna vote on tonight and wait until the next meeting and address those at that meeting? Or would you rather we address all of our comments about the whole design tonight? I personally would like to talk about just the five items that we have to vote on. However, I suspect there's a lot of people who just wanna talk about everything. So I'm gonna open it up. And with the notion that if the audience can realize that this is gonna come back for another discussion, but we do have to decide on those five items, if we can focus on that, that would be better. But I'm not gonna limit it to just that. All right, well then I'll give my whole presentation. I am representing our whole committee. So, and we've been talking with Katie and I think we've come up with some really good suggestions. She's really moved the needle quite a bit in the last few days and we appreciate that. So just to be clear, the things that CWEP will be funding on the Warf are the Bronzefish scavenger hunt that is on the Warf, the mosaic work at the entry gate pillars and the donor wall, the entry gate art installation only. So the part of the entry gate that actually installs the art, we will be contributing $8,000 for that. All four of the sightseeing binoculars, the 10 lighting standards. Just as a side note, it is our general, we voted on our, at CWEP and the majority would prefer to see muted colors on the Warf. So we would prefer the slate or a color such as that. We, the majority voted down the blue. So just so you know, the benches, we understand that there are 30 benches, but there may be more or less, we're not sure about that. Tables, there will be four ADA compliant tables, trash receptacles, 10 to 15, the water filling station with the foot wash, fish cleaning station, and half of the bike rack cost, which is about $5,000. The city will be paying for the other 5,000. The things that the city will be contributing through its $250,000 approval on its December 4th, 2023 meeting are the entry gate. This part of the scavenger hunt that is from the foot of the Warf all the way to the bridge, about Stockton Bridge. And I think we're gonna talk about that a little bit more next week. Half the bike rack, the Warf Road entry sign, and the paver improvements, the installation of the sightseeing binoculars, lighting standards, benches, tables, trash receptacles, filling a water filling station and the foot wash. Those are things that the city will be installing for us. Things that we see that have not been funded at this point is what will happen with the bathroom, whether it's reclat or painted. Additional costs for the fuse designed elements, whatever that comes in at, the entry gate, the monument sign and the Warf to Warf sign. The Warf to Warf monument, I should say. The city-sponsored panels on the left of the entry, which indicate that the two times the funds have been used, whatever you guys need to do on that, and landscaping. The points that we would like to make are that we have been working off of estimates that amounted to $336,500. We understand that those were several months ago and that costs may go up. There's been a little bit of confusion about the $75,000 that we put aside for the Jet Ski Storage Facility. And we said we would put that aside for a year. And those funds would be kept, we are not keeping our funds. The Warf to Warf Committee is keeping our funds. We don't have access to those funds. So the Warf to Warf would keep those funds until we've decided what we wanna do with the Warf in the future. If by any chance the things that we are funding now end up being more expensive, we maybe have to use some of the funds for, because we wanna make sure that the things that we expect are their high quality, they'll last a long time, their best value for the city, and we wanna make sure that those get purchased. The entry gate, we recommend that, could we put up the entry gate mosaics? It is the, it's both our opinion and the recommendation from the artist who I spoke with last night, that the mosaic work go all the way up to the cap, eliminating the piece of metal that is at the top of the mosaic work. It goes back there a little bit. Maybe there's a larger picture of it so people could see it. That looks like a good one. There we go. It's the, we're proposing eliminating the part that it has the, is it the dragon and the metal on it? I can't see that far. I forgot my other glasses. And having the mosaic go all the way up. And that's something that we feel that the planning commission would need to make their judgment on. Also it is the desire of the artist that the stone, the fluted stone on the edges be reduced to four inches. I think it's spec'd at six inches. And she would prefer that the mosaic work were a little bit wider in order to really portray the kelp forest the way she would like to. The donor wall, we would prefer and so would the, well yeah, we would prefer and so would the artist prefer that the donor wall not be lit wherever it ends up. I think we agree with commissioner Estes that there's enough lighting in our world. We don't need more. Also the artist is asking, well we would prefer option one where all the panels are at the beginning of the wharf instead of option two. And we're hoping, and she's hoping that they are not spec'd convex because I don't know of a better way to say this but when birds sit on top of it and it's convex you can imagine what might happen. And she would prefer that did not happen to her artwork. And it would also be harder, well she doesn't have any substrate that's convex. So she would have to fabricate something that would definitely add to the cost of that. As far as the number of panels, my discussion with her last night was she thought the panels would be two feet wide by three feet high, there would be six to seven of them. They would be four inches apart and they would sit about four to six inches above the railing which is at 42 inches. So that people don't have to get on their knees to see their name. Let me see, I wanna make sure we get everything in on this. Good. The viewing areas, so viewing areas. Since there is not, I'm not sure whether the next two, the next meeting is gonna have a schematic of the whole wharf, do you know? I think we can provide that. So I think it would viewing areas just in general where they would be. So we've been talking about the scavenger hunt fish on the deck would start at the foot of the wharf. They would meander over to the right ways and there, there would be the binoculars, a table, a bench and a trash can. And then they would veer off and they would go over to the left or it could go left and right, you know, and then, but they would meander down the wharf. There are four, they would be four stations and there would be those four elements at each station. So, and then one at the foot of the, at the head of the wharf. And we hope that the commissioners would agree with us that it's a nice destination. It's combining elements so that we don't have elements scattered all over the wharf and there's some respite and free areas where people just get a chance to see the ocean and the beach, which is what they're there for. The sightseeing binoculars, the one thing we wanna double, triple, make sure is that when they're fabricated, the donor plaque stand gets fitted into it. They have, you can add on to that and we wanna make sure because if it doesn't happen, putting it on later is not gonna look good and it's gonna cost us more. So we wanna double check and make sure that happens and see what will provide the actual plaques. If the sightseeing binocular manufacturer does not provide the donor plaque, we would pay for that. We've heard from a lot of people wondering if the benches are gonna be in the same spot and it sounds like they're gonna be down the wharf looking out and we wondered what's gonna happen with the plaques that are currently on the benches that are somewhere, probably at the corp yard or wherever they are and we're just speaking for the community wondering about that and maybe we could address that tonight or the next couple weeks. The lighting standards are same concern with the binoculars to make sure that when they're fabricated, the manufacturer has the ability to put a plaque holder on that and we wanna make sure that happens at the time of fabrication. The bronze fish, I think we can talk about that next week. That's really an art and cultural commission item. The bathroom, even though we're not funding the bathroom, we just had to put in our two cents and say that we would really hope that the planning commission clads it instead of paints it. The water filling station and the foot wash, we're hoping that that will be on the schematic for the next couple of weeks. We can see where that is and we're wanting to make sure that the city understands that we need to see, C-WEP will need to see the invoices or the bids for all C-WEP funded things before they are paid. Before they may be paid by the city and then we would reimburse the city but we would need to make sure we feel a strong fiduciary responsibility to our huge amounts of donors and we wanna make sure that the funds are spent in the way that we told them they would be spent. And then finally, we wanna find out if these things are approved tonight and there's additional costs, what will happen and after tonight's approval, if there are any changes to the design or selections, what will happen and if there are any changes to the selection for these four components tonight, we definitely want C-WEP would like to know about them before they're bid or for their bid because it would save the city a lot of time. Jerry Jensen and Joe Palandrani, I'm not sure he's here tonight, but those two are the ones that worked on the current pricing and bidding and really the city needs to work with them on the specifics. I know Jerry had some, you got the, so there were several corrections that he made to your things. I would hope that the commission tonight instructs staff to go ahead and make these, to work with C-WEP to start that process right away and not spell out any particular actual objects because they are not right in the staff report. We're not there yet, we're not quite there yet and we need to make sure that they are, they're what we expect out to begin with. Does that feel okay to you Katie? Yeah, so I actually, I received the update from Jerry in enough time and I put the updated specs in those slides. Thank you. They are represented tonight of the correct slides but I will double triple check to make sure that we get the list correct, so. Great, thank you. Does anybody have any questions from C-WEP? I think if you're gonna be around, I'd like to go ahead and get all public comment and then go back with questions. I'm here, thank you. There are other members of the public who would wish to address this topic. Good evening, Karen Hanna. While I am a member of the C-WEP committee, I have some comments, just my personal opinions which may or may not differ from C-WEP. It's okay if we don't just address the items. Yeah, go ahead. And if you could put your name on the list so we have your spelling of your name. Yeah, I think, yeah. He knows. Now we have normal public comments if we can limit this to three minutes. Yeah. So on the light polls, so that is on item one, one of the pictures shows the polls that could accommodate banners. And while there hasn't actually been discussion about, that I see in the report about the possibility of there being those polls to support banners. So my personal opinion is no banner polls. That banners are an issue that are very hard to manage, they're expensive, they get stolen, they get blown away. And to have the polls there and not use them just seems unnecessary. So they aren't really specified, but I know that it's kind of been addressed and then it was in one of the photographs. And if the contractor's buying them and he sees the photograph of the banner polls, they might order those. And anyway, I'll probably speak to some of the other issues at the next hearing, but on the location of the panels, I agree with everything on lighting. It should be absolutely minimal. The people that spoke at the meeting said that they wanted to see the wharf as utilitarian as possible. And any lighting, if there is lighting that's illuminating any artwork, it should be minimal and it should be able to be turned off at like 9.30 or some reasonable evening. Because the people who live around and look down at the wharf don't wanna see a bunch of lights, and it is and it makes it a more of an attractive nuisance. So that's my opinion that they should be minimal. As far as the location of the panels, would it be possible to approve the shape? And then as the design and as the design of the wharf continues, because if you look at that picture, and I think that Fuse did an awesome job in showing the graphics so that we could really get an idea, but it's very narrow at the beginning and then it widens. And it perhaps, especially if we're looking at seven panels, people are gonna be wanting to move from one to the other. And it could be that a much better placement might be more like option two down the wharf a little bit. So hopefully perhaps the actual decision of the precise placement could wait a little bit. And then maybe mock-ups could show whether they're blocking any view. Restroom definitely clad because Venetian court people, they've been telling us that they wanted to see it clad. And I think that my time is almost up. The recognition panels, maybe they don't need our work, especially if they're not all together or might be a little more confusing, they'll be a little more utilitarian like the city and I'll keep everything else to the next time. Thank you very much. Thank you. Chair Welk, I would like to, I hate to interrupt the public comment, but I would like to emphasize that getting all of the comments tonight would be preferable because we really wanna come back with a design that addresses everything. I would hate to hear new items brought up at the next hearing where we're really trying to listen tonight, hear everyone's ideas and come back with something that really reflects what we heard. So if we could tonight, I'm looking for action on five items, but otherwise I think hearing feedback on any design concerns related to the wharf, I'd like to open up this discussion. Okay, I just wanna make that clear because the last speaker referenced adding additional comments to the next hearing. And if there's more. Yes, so I just wanna be clear that we'd like to hear all thoughts on the current design, if possible. So that my dilemma has been trying to get everything all at once and then suddenly we have three limit, three minute limits. Can I just throw in, it'll take one second. Not crazy about the logo on the gate, the sliding. I think it might look better just cleaner and everybody knows it's Capitola. So that was my only comment. Are there other public comments and we won't limit it to the five items? This was the first time I've had the pleasure speaking before the Planning Commission. My name is Lori Hill and yes, I participated as a part of the C-Web efforts but I'm standing here as an individual commenting on the entry to the wharf. Fused to the dynamite job. I just, I can't speak any louder about that. It is the best rendering of anything that we've seen come forward with regards to the entry there. One could quibble on little elements of the design and I'm sure that that'll all work itself out but the functionality of it is brilliant. The gate is clean. I too would prefer not having the city logo on the gate. It says Capitola wharf over the top, you know where you are. So I like the gate features. I love the mosaic inlay. It is just, it's beautiful. And if for some reason we need to remove the dragons from the top of the pillars, maybe they could be up in the archway somewhere because they do reflect the Venetians. They reflect what was already on the wharf when we had to tear the pillars down. I like the messaging of the dragons. There was a lot of comments during the C-Web process with regards to tradition and for me, tradition, when we looked at what was brought to us as examples by the design consultants initially. They brought us material from Southern California that was art deco, it was glitzy, it was pastel colors and the community said no, stop. But for me, that doesn't necessarily mean we need the kind of concrete pillars that we had before. So thank you C-Web for a wonderful design. And the restrooms, please correct the baby blue, the periwinkle. And my preference would be the cladding as well. That should be the first thing that you see on the wharf. It just should be a part of an important element that we're grateful to spin at it. And I'm confident that our mosaic artist will artfully address those beautiful opportunities to the right that my understanding is that wing wall with those panels needs to be there because it's hiding some things that we don't wanna see. And I think that having the panels asked as I'm by Fuse was brilliant. And I'm counting on our mosaic artist to handle the donor slash art element with the same elegance that I've seen in her other designs. So thank you very much. Thank you. Anyone else, public comment? Chair Will. If I could, I could clarify a few items. Please. Because I'm sure there are a lot of questions. So I took some notes. One point of clarification is, so the bronze art that will be inlaid on the wharf will be inlaid on the wharf. There was a discussion on providing the same bronze artwork to be inlaid from the corner of lift drive coming up wharf to the wharf. And at this point, the city, we cannot move forward with that because it would be in the sidewalks and we don't have the funding to update all of our sidewalks at this time. So I think it's a great idea, but that won't be included. And I just wanna make sure that's, and I spoke with Gail earlier in the day and let her know and that's what she was referencing of one more update. The other is the pavers right at the entryway of the wharf. It also doesn't make sense to include those at this point because that the street itself is in really bad condition and that's something that would come at a later date when the street is actually repaved and it's also not within the scope of the wharf update. So just two items that I wanna be clear that those won't be moving forward. Just confirming, yes, the benches will face outward. They will be oriented as they were previously but unable to move. The plaques along the wharf and the plaques in the benches, we have fantastic documentation on those. So we are going to be bringing back those plaques throughout the wharf and trying to get them in the exact same locations. In the one area that the wharf used to be under a little bit differently and now it's wider, we're gonna have to, those will have to be in a different location but the plaques will be coming back before the big storm. We had inventoryed every plaque and taken pictures so we're feeling really good about that. In terms of the banners on the light poles, I spoke with Commissioner Jensen earlier and that model that they've chosen, they can actually come off. So at this point it would be, if the Planning Commission is supportive of having banners on the poles in the future, we can order them so that the banners will have the poles but they won't be utilized until we have like a banner policy in place and how those would be utilized in the future. So it's an option to those poles. It was recommended by CWEP to include the banner poles but if the Planning Commission is not in favor of those, we can order the same exact light poles without the banner poles. And lastly, in terms of just billing and transparency, we'll be working closely with CWEP and making sure that occurs so that within our, I think we've got a contract and we'll make sure the language is clear and working through that. Typically when items come before the Planning Commission, we really don't focus on funding and money so I would like to keep that separate and I'll be discussing that with just how we go, just following the contract that's in place and I know there are some parameters for signing off. So we'll continue to work together and be transparent in these next steps and I just wanted to bring that up but I don't think that's the purview of the Planning Commission tonight. So with that, I think that answers the questions that came up during public comment. Thank you. All right, let's move on to commission deliberations. Now we can ask questions and discuss. I'll start with the picture of the entry and all the chosen metals and colors and all that stuff, including the dragons. The original one that we're replacing, it doesn't show the material selection, but in the original one that we're replacing, the dragons are actually on the arc or they're somewhere else? Anybody know? So you move them off the arc to the top of the columns. And then the choice of colors and metals is a silly question but you have dissimilar metals there. I don't know about electrochemistry between bronze and steel but you wouldn't wanna create a rusting situation right off the bat. It was the salty air that we're in. And then I don't know how you pick, can you describe how you picked those different metals and colors and things like that? The other Dan Gomez, he's an architect. Yeah, so it was kind of given options. It was presenting either as a bronze option or as a coated steel, stainless steel option. So that was the alternative, whether it be, the idea is that the finish, the same color tones, but there was definitely some options there. Those dragons are currently on the columns. And I'm curious if anybody knows what those dragons, what they stand for. They're actually sharing a pot with a fire in the center of a pot and it means peace, prosperity and community. So we thought it was super cool to carry that over. Kind of fitting for Capitola, so we were really liking it. So in the current, well, yeah, the current design, I guess it's still standing, those dragons are on the columns, not on the arch. Correct. And the fire that we would hope to get the art of the fire would be under the center of the arch, right at the bottom. It's that little middle section that drops down. Kind of similar to what you were talking about. Yeah, okay. Cool, is that it? Yeah, I guess that's it for what you're designed. Yeah, thanks. Well, I was gonna give Paul the floor to ask all those questions and have his discussions about primarily, let us just focus on the five, shall we think? And then we can go back. No, that's not working. We're gonna just discuss everything, get all your thoughts, all your notes out here. No, I like your idea of the five, because that's one of the actions, right? Well, that's the actions we have, but there's comments and questions on everything. So there's two ways to do it, that we can just focus on one and then go back or it's very difficult to get people to limit their comments to, once they get started, like you jump right on the arch and that's not one of the five. I know. So we just go for it. Let's get all your comments in and then we'll move on to Susan. Okay, so I guess this, where the viewing stations are and the fishwalk, I'll call it, that will be presented next time. Is that what you're saying? Yes, one thing about the meandering is we're definitely going to be doing a lot of public outreach about the future uses along the wharf. So we wanna be careful about where we place, where we choose at this point. I know where I was going, too, is we have to consider what we might possibly do in the future, although I'm sure these viewing stations get moved, but the fish probably can't be as easily removed because they're inlaid, I presume. They're not sitting on top of the planks. They're inlaid. The two dates, what is it, 20 or eight? 1981 and 2024, does anybody know what they mean if you don't put a legend there? I mean, if I'm a tourist and I see those two dates, I'm gonna go, okay, I gotta Google what they mean. To the left will be two panels for the city dedications. One of the city dedication panels is from 1981. The last time major funding is for the wharf. So that it's there. Okay, I already heard my rant about the lights, but I haven't, well, I'm anti-lights on anything except the ones that we're actually installing. There's no need to light up the donation panels or the city panels, like who cares at night? This is a wharf that's used primarily in the daytime. The introductory sign, which is today about this big, sorry, that's probably about three, four feet wide, is now going out to, it's hard to tell, the scale's not on it, but it looks fairly massive to me. Yeah, that thing there. I've been told that the purpose of that is to identify where the heck the wharf is. And I'm thinking to myself, well, this wharf is 866 feet long. I think the average person could figure out where it is pretty quickly. So do we really need to have such a big thing at that location or even the little pillar thing that moves the wharf-to-wharf plaque up? I don't understand that design, but we can talk about it. Okay, I'm done with all my ranting and raving. Well, we can come back when you've got some more. Okay, well, I'll start with the arch since we're gonna talk about that first. I do agree, I would get rid of the City of Capitola logo on the gate. I think it's a different design, different font. It doesn't, you know, feels to me like it was just put on there. It says Capitola Wharf. Everybody knows it's the City of Capitola Wharf. I don't think you need to have that additional signage there. I like the overall design of it. I assume that there is going to be, needs to be some flexibility because they haven't bid having this arch built yet. So, you know, and I think costs are gonna dictate what the materials are going to be to make all of that work. I'm not so enamored with the dragons. I think that they could be incorporated somewhere else. You know, we're going to do artwork out there. It would be nice for me to see the artwork be able to go all the way to the top of those caps, again, for a lack of a better term. And, you know, if the artist feels that the sides should be four inches, not six inches, that would be fine with me too. I think that we're hiring an artist to do this work and while there's some limitations on how big it can actually be, giving her a little flexibility is not a bad thing. And at this point, I don't think we even know what the exact artwork is going to be on there. I think that's something that we'll end up talking about when it comes back to us at our next meeting or whatever the Arts and Cultural Commission decides to do. I agree about the lights. I don't think there's any necessity to have lights on there at night. On the donor panels, I assume, again, that's an item that we're going to talk about later because we don't really even know how many donor panels there are going to be. So I don't think we're in a position to pick the location that they're going to be located at tonight. Sounds like that's something we're going to have to wait for. I agree with you about the entry sign, the captor. It does seem awfully massive and large to me for being a directional sign. I don't mind something going up there. That area is the one where we took out the two pine trees and we agreed we would put back trees there. And so maybe something a little smaller that would fit in and work with the trees would be better. You talked about the lights. For me, I think the light poles ought to be sort of inconspicuous and fit into the view. So I would go with the dark gray color, not have them be a fixture that's going to stand out being white and blue. And I would like to see them without the sort of banner pole extensions on them. I think that's simply going to create a place for seagulls to sit and do what they do all over the wharf. I would rather see them shorter, not the entire banner. Can I ask a question on that? So what I understood is that you can order them and then just have that option. So I assume like they thread out or something and you can have the poles, but if there was an event where you wanted banners, you'd have that option where you could thread in the little pole and all of a sudden you've got a banner option. Right, so the way I understand it is you don't have to do it with your initial order. That's something that can be added later that the city's looking at doing a banner policy that's going to include the entire city, not just the wharf. We wouldn't want to spend the money to buy them if the banner policy's not going to allow them. So it seems to me we could start out with the shorter pole and then add the longer one if there is a decision to have banners out there. And for me personally, Karen spoke about it and she's been in the village for a number of years. I can't remember how many times they've tried to put banners up down in the village, which has never been successful. They have been stolen, they fall down, they, so right now I would like to skip having the banner option until the city has a policy to add. It's not like we're going to have a parade on the wharf. I'm just trying to, I'm thinking of saving costs. If there was an option where you just, you buy it and then if ever you did need it, you could, you didn't have to buy a whole new pole, you just put in the- I think they said that- Well, I'm not sure what they said. You'll buy them now with the shorter pole if you decide to have a longer pole later on, you can order those and add the longer pole. You won't be buying a whole new light pole. So the light fixture, it's just an add-on for the banner pole. So it's, it would be the, without the banner, there'd be the pole for the lighting and the arm that comes across. If we purchase the option, there's an additional pole that ties into the lighting pole for a banner. So- Is that removable? And it's removable, but it does cost more. It's an additional option on the lights, but it is removable, so it wouldn't have to be installed. So it's a question of if it's clear that we're never going to have banners out there, we might as well save a couple bucks and not have that option. But if there's an opportunity that perhaps one day we might want to have banners, we don't have to install that little banner pole. We can just have that as a bucket full of extensions in the back room somewhere that we one day may want to use. Yeah, but with the, for tonight and like hopefully to place an order for the lights, it would be good to have direction on that. But yes, we would need to put together a special banner policy and there is the issue of seagulls, but- We have pictures of that, the pole with the, could you bring that up? The light pole with the, where's the banner goes and where the, how does that work? So, and I think there's a lot of light here. I would like to see it nonetheless, if we can. I mean, the thing with banners is, today they're mostly made of plastic, which deteriorates and gets in and out there, they're going to get into the ocean. I think it's a really bad idea, personally. Yeah, I do too. I don't think Seaweb's going to have a problem with omitting the banner part of the light pole. I think there's been good reasons why we don't want to do that. Can I compromise the poles for you? This is the man that knows the most about the poles. My name is Joe Pallandrani. Those poles have slots on all four sides. If you can imagine, they're going to be a kind of a rectangular pole with slots on all four sides. And you could put anything in those slots. The actual donor slide or the donor marking will be an attachment that slides in and screws in place. And if you want banners at any time, you could buy them at any time, and slide them in a slot. And Adam, you don't have to buy them with a pole. And they can fit anywhere in the pole length of the pole. I mean, there's, if, Eddie, I think it was Long Beach, has those poles and they have our supply slot, and everything else. So you can electrify them and do whatever you want. Our goal is to put a basic shaft, an arm, and a light, and then add a little donor plaque mounting. It also can be slide up and down. The poles that we ordered are going to have special, the ones that we recommend are going to have a special paint to hold up, to help them hold up in a fog environment, salt fog environment. They're also going to have bird spikes on the arm, so birds can't land there. And our goal is to give you a fishing pole that's going to last a long time. And the light is not going to be seen, it's going to be from the bottom down. So we're not going to light the water up adjacent. The arm's going to keep the light on the actual wharf. Well, Joe, you're an electrical engineer. You can answer my question about how many watts and how, you know, are they fully dimmable? They have, I think, it's re-estack control. You can go to almost off to almost to bright. The nap? You can get Bluetooth options also. Yeah, which is, you know, our goal is to have it like a medium setting and try it. If it doesn't work, it's 10 light poles. You earn a knob on 10 poles, it's a ladder. And I'll be glad to go down there a thousand times and adjust them whenever you want to for free. That was very helpful, thank you. Okay, thank you. Okay, I think that's most of what I had on my list that we're going to be discussing. This is the color palette for the lights. And so the ones on top have a smooth finish on the light posts and the ones on the bottom are more of a rough finish. And this is the steel gray or the steel dark. I think the images were showing the steel dark, but I'm not sure what the preference is if you could comment on which light color. Seaweb, have an opinion. Oh, steel dark. You know, a bright galvanized pole over time or aged with kind of a dull gray. This starts at a dull gray. It's the kind of, we call that an invisible pole. And in the smooth texture? It's, yeah, I think that's that. That's what it says, a smooth finish. That's with a dirty hand. And Mark's always going to be there. You have a smooth finish, you can wipe it out. And also the smooth finish is going to help when we do have salt fog accumulation, salt accumulation, the rain will clean it. Or in the summer, maybe an occasional home. So you're looking for a consensus on the color of the pole? Yes. What's the dark gray? I mean, the architects take one touch. It's a unanimous, it's an easy one. Should all be there. I have some comments. Let's start with a monument. Could you bring up the picture of the monument? I don't, I'm not even sure why it needs to be there. When I looked at that rendering, I said, oh, that's the Capitola Wharf apartments. And it's not educational. It doesn't say Capitola Wharf this way. It's not in front of the, I just, I think the whole thing is unnecessary. I like the idea of putting the palm trees there. And that should be enough. So there's my two bets on the monument. With regards to the donor panels, I'm curious to know what they're covering up. Laurie mentioned that they're covering up someone's sightly thing. I got the impression that no, someone had also mentioned that maybe they were blocking views. Some electrical equipment on the right hand side as you go down, it's some big gray boxes. I don't know if they're transformers or what they are. So those boxes will be, right now it's in a wooden box. It's not to code. Those will be brought up to code. But yes, the donor panels along here as proposed would hide those more. And I don't know if Kailash wants to add anything to that or is that, I believe the electricity panels are going to stay in the same location but will be in an updated box. I guess my, well, do we also know how big the lettering is for the donors? I mean. So the lettering is going to vary. The idea that I've heard is that the fish size will vary based on the donations. And so there'll be three different sizes of fish and it'll be incorporated on the donor wall as art. But that might be, now, is that? So based on the new gate entry pillars, the things have had to change and the artists had to figure out new ways. So she's decided to put the kelp the birds were gonna go on the pillars. But now they don't fit on the pillars because of the narrowness of them. So she's switched over and the birds she would like but this is something that's gonna be decided later. But her latest thought is that the birds will go on the donor wall and the donor named plaques will be made out of fused glass. I believe of different colors that will incorporate organic shapes that go into the sand on the bottom. It'll be sort of like a beach scene that goes all the way across. And so the larger donors would be in the sky above, maybe in I would imagine in blue fused glass. And she was talking about organic shapes. But I think if we give her two more weeks, she's gonna come up with some really good designs. Although I have to say that I don't believe it's the purview of the planning commission to pick the design of this. It's the art and cultural commission, but I thought you would wanna know where she's headed with that. The reason I asked is because I was listening to Karen Hanna in talking about maybe moving those donor plaques further down so that it's not so crowded right at the entrance. I thought that was a good comment. And so I was wondering how big they are. Could they be smaller? Do they need to have artwork on them? Should they be moved down? Just to acknowledge that the donors further down the wharf and open that area up. Donors have been told that it's gonna be on a mosaic wall so that the donors contributed knowing that. So I think that's a decision that has already been made. But they could go further down. The reason that we didn't recommend them down further is blocking views. Just blocking more garbage down. Get it done before you get onto the wharf and then go onto the wharf with seeing as much as you want. What about the comments about the curve nature? Yeah, the curve nature. She really recommends hopefully that we don't go with the curve because she doesn't have a substrate for it. We don't really, it would cost us a lot to create a substrate for that. Also, they could be hit by strollers or bikes even more. They're more vulnerable, I think so. So my comments on the donor panels then are in concurrence with CWC WEP. With regards to the restroom, I agree with the comments that we should go ahead and try to find the vertical wooden planks. I am concerned, well, I guess we're not gonna talk about costs but obviously you're gonna work about getting multiple bids. With regards to the, well, the mosaic going to the top or not, I don't have a strong opinion on that. With regards to the lighting, I kind of like the downlit mosaic but having listened, I think I agree. We don't need, people use the wharf on the daytime. We don't need any extra lighting. I agree that we should remove the logo. That logo changes over time. That hasn't always been our logo. So I don't think we need it on the front gate. All right, so now you need specific comments on the viewing stations, the light posts, the benches, the tables, and the trash cans. So the viewing stations, I agree with CWEP's recommendation. I don't think there was any controversy there, like the idea of the concentrated areas meandering and having the group of trash can table viewing station and then move on to the next one. That's an excellent idea. I think we talked about the light posts, the style of the benches, seem to be consistent with what we've had before and they'll work well with the plaques. I don't think the tables are lovely but I think fine, tables and trash cans, really no comment. So any other further comments back and forth about the monument or anything else? Viewing light posts, benches, tables, and trash can. Those items we have to actually do a motion to approve or what? Yeah, that would be great if we could do a motion to approve and the color that I heard was the steel dark and the smooth finish of the lights and whether or not to order the banner but it sounded like not to order the banner is what I was hearing. Well, it sounds like you don't need to because they're automatically designed to hold them or not. Any comments about benches or tables or garbage cans? So the only change I'm hearing is the color. So I'll try a motion. Please. Okay. So I make a motion to approve 10 of the light standards to be dark gray without the banner. Steel gray. Steel dark. Steel dark. That the benches be consistent with the design that we were shown tonight and they will be attached to the wharf facing out. And the number is going to be 30? 40. 40 benches is what I saw. 40 benches, I think a certain amount of them are funded through C-Web and the rest are funded through the city. 40 total. So there's gonna be 40 benches, 30 funded by C-Web and 10 funded by the city as they put in their thing that they're funding 30 benches. That the garbage cans be as shown in the design in the neutral color, not the blue that we saw. And... How many of them are there? Yeah. 10 to 15 and C-Web and C-Web funding them all. Or does anybody know? My understanding that C-Web's going to fund, we have a comment. I'm gonna pull up the email that I have with the correct quantities and then I can better help with this. But... The furniture, it's all good. All the furniture and the trash cans, all the framing on those are hot dip galvanized. So it's a gray color that's gonna fade to a dark gray. So there's no color at all. They're just ash wood, the frames, the trash cans, ash wood you sit on, on the benches and the tables. Do you have any comment about whether C-Web is funding 10 of... 30 or less, fine, 30. 30. Trash cans? 10 trash cans, 30 benches, four tables. All right, we got 10 trash cans. Okay, and if we need more, we can always go back and ask them to fund more beyond the 10. Yep. I have 10 light posts, 40 benches, not all, funded by C-Web, portion by City. I can buy them and 10 by... Tables, I've got four and then 10 trash receptacles. So those are the items we need to deal with tonight. Yes, thank you. So that is my... Viewing stations. Oh, and the... Four viewing stations. Four viewing stations. As shown on the plans that will have a place, they'll install a place for the plaque to go on the viewing station. And the light posts will also have a place for the light post will also have... I have a motion. Do we have a second? Yeah, I'll second that. Any further discussion? Let's have a real call vote. Commissioner Estee. Aye. Commissioner Westman. Aye. And Commissioner Wilk. Aye. For all the work they've done raising all this money to enhance our wharf which is shown to be a very important part of... You're here. And if I may, may I give a summary back of what I heard for design changes to be brought back to Planning Commission? So I heard two of the three commissioners talk about bringing the mosaic to the top and removing the dragons from their location. And it would be fine with me if they want to add the dragons in the upper part or do come up with some other way to have them there. I would just like to see the artist have the opportunity. Yeah. There might be an opportunity in the archway. It seems like the dragons were important to everybody. The fluted stone will have fused look at and see if that can be decreased to four inches. No lights on the donor panels. I'm not clear as to lights on the pillars. So there's no lights on the pillars. Okay. Make sure the benches are facing outward but that was in the motion. Remove the city logo from the gate. The wharf sign. I'd like more clarity there. I'm hearing the wharf sign should be smaller or don't include that at all in the packet. And I'd also like some clarity on the... I don't think you talked about the wharf to wharf rock. So yeah, I would just leave the existing things there and plant trees that we talked... I wasn't here but you talked about last year or year before and I would leave the original plaque, the wharf to wharf plaque on the ground the way it is today. I built a little pillar. I don't see the point in the pillar. And I think for me, we do have some directional signs in town. Something wants to go up somewhere. They can have a sign and say wharf this way. So if the purpose of it is to be a directional sign, we could look at having a small directional sign somewhere that's appropriate. But I don't think the larger signs saying, capital of wharf. So remove it from this project, the two signs. I agree with what Paul said, which is you don't need to do anything. Just leave the wharf to wharf signage as it is. It doesn't need to be a raised pillar and remove the capital of wharf monument altogether. It does kind of look like the capital of all sign too. I do agree with Peter. It makes it look like that's the name of the department building. Okay, but plant the two trees. Yeah, okay. I think that's clear. I've got great direction. Thank you. The other one was in- The meandering. The meandering consider future, I don't know how you're gonna do this, but. So I'm gonna, I'll talk with Sue up and the designer about right, we are starting this process of what is the future of the wharf going to be. And so if we can, we'll have to talk about how to decide on that. I think if ultimately, if there was a site at the very end of the wharf, we might wanna hold off on that last location until we've worked through what the use is gonna be out there and designed, but maybe we'll talk about that and we'll bring back something. Something you've come sort of play in with. Yeah. Hey, thank you. We move on then to, well, let's bring the other commissioners back in. The direction on the restrooms was to collab them in the wood. Tell me, Peter. I need to go too. No. Commissioner Wilk and I are recusing ourselves from the next item because we both live within 500 feet and us are presumed to have a conflict. All right, item, are you moving? Are you ready? The applicant is. In the bathroom. You ready? I think we're ready. Okay. So item seven B413 Capitola Avenue. This is a new residence project for planning commission consideration under a design permit, a coastal development permit. And there's also a parking variance proposed and internal to the new residence is a junior accessory dwelling unit. This property is located actually right across from city hall, just under 1500 square feet and is in the mixed use neighborhood zone. So this is the street view of the existing building. This is a cottage slash design studio is probably its most recent use and the proposal is to demolish that existing building. This is a site plan of the proposal. So this is true north. So up on the page here is true north. The faded orange is the building footprint and the brown is a deck proposed at the rear. And I'll use the pointer here to point out the permeable pavers for the driveway. There is a proposed walkway around the north side of the proposed residence. These are a couple of clips out of the title sheet of the plan. So in the upper left, we've got a perspective view of the two-story residence on the right. We have a representative image of the proposed materials and pallet highlighting a smooth stucco finish on the exterior. And then there are some indigo blue painted wood trim features and several arches, copper downspouts and a maple stained front door. On the bottom, the applicant provided a streetscape. So you can see how the proposed design would fit in with adjacent buildings. I'm just walking through a tour of the floor plan. I'll use the pointer again to the right here is covered porch into a front entry hall. The property is in the flood zone. So this is a bit raised about two and a half feet or about 30 inches above the existing grade. To the left, you've got a one car garage that is down on just about the existing grade. So a need for a few risers to get up into this entry foyer. Up the stairs would be the primary living and then through a door and then at the end of the entry hall is the junior ADU access. And then up the stairs on the second floor a family room, two bedroom kitchen and then another bit of short stairs for a loft access and a proposed loft in the rear of the upper story. Bringing back this slide just to talk about setbacks. This area is called out in the zoning ordinance as being a unique stretch of Capitola Avenue from the Trestle just past the Avenue cafe in which the planning commission can basically determine setbacks as a level of appropriateness with its surroundings for these lots because they are significantly smaller than average lots within the city. So the setbacks being proposed for the project are 10 feet from face of curb which is the code standard at the front. And then along the north side there's a proposal for a three foot wide setback to provide a little bit of access to rear yard at the rear yard. The applicant's strategy was to try to mirror and reciprocate the setback on the other side. So you can see the edge of the building on the other side of the property line which ranges from about four to seven feet. And so the applicant settled on six feet for their rear setback. And then along the south side there's a bit of a complicated situation with overlapping parking and utility easements and jogging property lines. So the proposal there is actually to touch the property lines but as the right angles of the walls jog in and out they do provide a little relief off those property lines as well. Talking a little bit about the variance get into the proposal here is to have one parking space where two are required. I'm not gonna read all of this but I highlighted a few. So we're really looking for with a variance and some unique limitation inherent with the property size, shape, topography. And we're also looking under B here. We're looking at bringing the property back to parody. So if there's some privilege enjoyed by other properties or if a full standard would be applied would be penalizing a property and then also not to grant a special privilege. So getting into a bit of the analysis with this projects and property specifically the lot size, 1,455 square feet. So when you're taking a look at two parking spaces you've got a footprint of 400 square feet and on that ground level you're counting for 28% of the lot and so the proportionality even a relatively small 2,800 square foot 40 by 70 lot that's double of just the ground space. So there's a limit in just what can be done in terms of ground floor layout. The flood zone a little bit more of an indirect impact but certainly impacts the layout and adjacencies relative to the ground floor. The lot depth probably the easiest one to point out in terms of limitation because the lot is only 23 feet wide at the front. Tandem setup is really the only way this could work but with an average 48 foot depth and then accounting for six foot front and rear setbacks and on the front I mentioned a few slides ago the setback is taken from the curb but from the property line it is six feet. So with a loss of 12 feet on the front and back you've got 36 feet of depth you can accommodate 40 feet for standard parking space. And then just the general irregularity of the lot is the final factor so 23 feet at the front there's no parallel lot lines and the lot tapers and jogs in a couple of different locations. So to prove it further the applicants design and architect team went through a couple of iterations of what would a tandem garage look like and I'll just call out that these tandem configurations even utilized a substandard nine by 18 parking foot parking spaces so going from the left if they arranged that on the right hand side of the building they didn't really like this substandard arrangement because of what it did today the junior ADU it really limits the junior ADU one in the middle really just bisects the floor plan and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Given the flood plain this is not a functional floor plan and so they decided to just request one standard parking space and variance for reduction of the standard by one. When we look at other actions along this stretch of Capitol Avenue 401 Capitol Avenue was given a variance to allow no parking in 2015. Different set of circumstances but the lot size and configuration was certainly part of that analysis. 322 Capitol Avenue very similar was also allowed a variance for no parking and then just recently we had earlier this year requests for a floor area variance to provide all of the parking but nonetheless a variance granted in relation to parking and then just looking around the neighborhood maybe the majority of properties don't have what would be considered compliant parking a lot of them are in some kind of illegal non conforming situation and many of them don't provide a parking space on the property. One cleanup item I have is just that in going through some of these iterations the plans that were attached to the staff report didn't account for a full 10 by 20 so I've plotted that here in the blue. I've talked to the applicant about the options for this how to solve this because we do need to fit a 10 by 20 parking space in here I've also talked to the building official this garage really doesn't need a secondary door so removal of the stairs is probably the easiest option may not be preferential but additionally there's other options and moving this wall back a little bit and adding a beam because it is carrying a load overhead so we're asking to add a condition to allow the staff to just work out an interior solution to provide the full 10 by 20 foot clear garage and then I need to make another amendment to condition number 20 so recently State of California has superseded local authority for filing deed restrictions associated with accessory dwelling units and requiring owner occupancy but in discussing that with the city attorney today I was informed that that doesn't apply to junior ADU so adding C to number C to condition number 20 that's in the staff report is another amendment so with that with those two amendments I we are recommending approval and I believe the applicant is here and prepared to make a presentation and I'm available for questions. Thank you. You go back to your one about the invite 20 garage. Where's the beam? So we were just talking about solutions so if this wall were to move back about a foot and the staircase was narrowed from three and a half feet to three and this door was moved you've got a situation where a load was coming down vertically but it would have to transfer laterally. You're from the applicant? I don't mean to interrupt you just speak directly into the microphone that the sound guys. Thank you. Thank you Brian for your help. Shepherding this project through to this point and good evening commissioners. I was hoping maybe we could put up the slide that shows the materials. I think it was on page 110 of your documents. This project obviously sits directly across the street from where we meet tonight in an eclectic neighborhood with a mix of both commercial and residential structures. The proposal was initially inspired by the simple colorful forms, materials and elements along Capitola's iconic beachfront blended with a more restrained Mediterranean palette comprising of crisp whites, watery indigo blues, copper and bronze metal details, washed wood cones and hens of terracotta. Cad drawings often appear flat. However, the proposed project has an articulated form with a stepped facade, recessed entry and upper balcony, added trellises, arches that recess and have inset tile, breeze block providing a variable difference in shadow across the sides and all of these elements offer architectural interest to the street facade. The form of the house is a direct result of the constraints of the site and desire to be respectful to adjacent neighbors at both the sides and rear while adding a JADU to the town's housing stock. This prompted the setback exceptions as well as the variance request reducing the home's parking to one space. If you could add the diagram with what we looked at for the, we explored many options to try to meet the town's parking requirements. And as Brian pointed out, what we're showing actually is even substandard and would require additional dimension to be taken off the setbacks, especially at the rear, which was a concern to us respecting that neighbor who has a tiny little sliver of outside space there. It also, if we moved the tandem garage around on the floor plan on the property with the floodplain either eliminated the option for a JADU that could also qualify as an ADU because it is one bedroom and a separate living area, not just a little studio apartment. So I think after looking at all of the different configurations from a space planning perspective, we decided that the best approach to provide a JADU, a functional single car garage and access to an upper level, single family residents worked best with this variance. There was also neighborhood, it's also part of the neighborhood character. Please do not hesitate to ask me any questions or the owner Ed who is here about any of the documents or proposed design elements. We're excited to create a new home that fits within the eclectic neighborhood and enhances the built environment with quality architectural materials and details. We hope you take staff's recommendation to approve our projects. Thank you very much. I'm gonna bring it back to commission to discuss. Yeah, sure. Could you bring up the parking of the garage again? For, thank you, Brian. So just so I understand that that was an item that was overlooked and it's brought up as a discussion. Yeah, the original plan had a 25 foot deep garage and then the second revision shortened the garage to accommodate the curb setback. And I think the applicant was still considering whether a tandem space would fit. And in the end, I didn't notice this. So I'm fine taking responsibility but I think there's multiple ways to solve this issue. And the suggestion is, if the commission is comfortable to allow us to work it out, it'll be within the walls of the building. There's structural solution or just an abandonment of the stair and door. You think there's multiple ways that it can be resolved? Yeah, the building official even suggested, depending on the way that the joists go, there may be an allowance to where you wouldn't even need a beam. So we believe there's three or four ways that this could be solved. I think we concur that that's a solvable solution that we can handle at staff level, that there's multiple choices that the owner can choose between. Thank you. The loft height is pretty low. It is. I don't know, is there a minimum on how high the loft can be? Well, we have a rear setback that starts it out low with the kicked back roof and then it does extend out. Even at its maximum height, it's at like four. I think we're at four foot eight at the back, yeah. I don't know, I'm just wondering if it's a useful space. That's for your, you know. Yeah, I think the owner finds it to be useful space, whether that's for storage or other amenities in the house for him and his family. There's very limited, if any, storage in a tiny house like this on the lot and no storage in the garage for any equipment to take down to the water or anything. Can I ask a couple of questions about design? Can I see the elevation slides? The rear elevation particularly and the, that one too. The, I know we don't, so that's not a window, it's a kind of a void in the front of the second story facade, the big archway. The archway is just a big recessed or just a big opening onto an upper level balcony. You intend to put plants and stuff in there? Yes, the intent is to have planting on the railing and then also a little bit of planting bed down at the front entry. And then on the right hand side, you can kind of see that square area with a different material. That's a breeze block that you can see in the center of the materials panel in the right hand picture, which is a dimensional architectural element that has a terracotta color to it. And then on the rear, the rear elevation, I think I noticed I'm... I'll have to load the... Oh, sorry. It's not in the presentation. I just noticed on the staff report, there was a mansard roof on the back with a comp finish. That's to meet the daylight lane. Oh, I see. Okay, I was wondering, because it just seemed like a really strange application on the rear side, just an afterthought. And I know we can't really change or influence your design, I was just wondering what the reasoning was behind that. It just looked kind of funky, but in just my opinion. No, I mean, I agree that when we're clipping the project for the daylight plane, it's a piece of roofing material that isn't seen elsewhere on the project. I think it was the desire to get the maximum head height and then flow off the roof in other directions to scupper. So that was a direct response to the daylight plane. I suppose, Ed, we would be amenable to making that just an all stucco deeper parapet that slopes down and eliminating the comp shingles, which then maybe makes it more consistent with the... Just comments on the design. I mean, I don't think we can require that. Is that right? I would just rather see a parapet than a comp roof section on the backside, but I don't wanna make that, you know. That's within your purview of a design. I think we're fine to make it stucco. Okay. And then also going to the front elevation one more time, if you could. So those are on A3.1, Brian, which is I think sheet number 115 in your package. Maybe we can zoom in on just the front elevation. Okay, the plan, I'll just stand by. Actually, I passed that was another thing on the front facade. I apologize. Thank you. Thanks for your answers. I appreciate it. Okay. Is there any other questions? On the southeast side, where you're facing the building next door, did you do a window to window analysis to look at privacy concerns? We did look at privacy concerns and that's how you see where we have trans from windows versus egress windows. It's also on that right-hand side where we've incorporated that breeze block so that the balcony is not directly overlooking the space below. And that's more easily seen on sheet A3.2, I believe. Yeah, that's what I'm looking at, 3.2. So this, so that long side faces the kind of that utility easement, utility and parking easement. In the window that you see, that's the largest window is an egress window for the bedroom that's there. After working with Brian and the neighbors behind that are most impacted from a window dropping into a residential space, we chose to put transoms on the back and put the egress window on that side. And then the high transom windows that you see the little squares, that's the public space. So the biggest window is in a private space on the property. Is there, in terms of the parking variance, is there a main, was there a main decision as to why not to concentrate parking on the lower story where the floodplain exists and not put the JADU somewhere other than level one? I think with the size of the lot and the setbacks and the height requirements, it was impossible to get both the two bedroom residents and a JADU. Moving to the single car garage on the bottom actually allowed for an ADU that could be class or sort of a junior ADU as submitted but could be classified as a legal ADU because it is large enough with a separate bedroom and a true kitchen in it. And we felt the benefit was better for that rather than a little studio that's really not functional as an ADU, right? Yeah, so let's see. Do we have any further questions or do you want to deliberate? Yeah, just one on the question. So help me on this, it's a junior ADU and it could be an ADU, you lost me on those comments, I apologize. There are state requirements for classifying a JADU and an ADU and I think this also can roll into the deed restriction requirements that maybe we were discussing today. And I would defer to the town attorney on a lot of that. But the unit has shown from a square footage perspective qualifies as a JADU. However, the layout that was designed can actually qualify it as a full ADU and not a junior ADU, even though it is attached. Yes, my question would be, so could later on and become back have the JADU changed to an ADU? It could, it meets those definitions. So as an independent entrance, it's under 500 square feet. It's got its own cooking facility and a bathroom. There's some differences in terms of utility connections. So an ADU proper needs its own utilities and meters. A JADU can operate under it. I guess what I was getting to is just a concern with being in the rental district and if it was an ADU, it could be. We then go into the vacation rental problem? It cannot be a vacation rental in any either case. It's the owner occupancy requirement. That's really the difference between it. Okay, thanks. Which I think you can find language in condition 20 in your packet for that. Thank you for that clarification. Is it true that they could use either one as a vacation rental being in the vacation rental district? Any ADU in the VRU zone cannot be rented for less than 30 days. Right, the main house though? Main house could be. That's a, okay. Any further questions? Nope. Thank you. Any further deliberation? Anybody want to make a motion? Yeah. Public comment? Oh, sorry. Public comment. Oh, I'm sorry, excuse me. I skipped the public. Is there any people in the public that would like to speak on this besides the applicant? Very none. Oh, thank you. Dan Townsend. We're the owners, the neighbors of the three properties right next. So just point of clarification. It seems like the variance requested is to allow an ADU. It seems to me it's posed as this ADU is some kind of requirement. It's not, the commission is trading an ADU for a parking space, bottom line. We're not opposed to that, but just want to make that clear. Also a question for Brian is on the landscape plan, there's specific landscape requirements, percentages, just where those met. Is the commission want to ask staff that question? Oh yeah. Can we look at the landscape plan to see if the percentages are met? Yeah, so we'll zoom in here. There's seven pitosporum. There's a condition of approval that pitosporum is a pretty broad species. So we've added a condition that those be a tree variety of pitosporum to meet the standard. 15% canopy coverage is only just a hair over 200 square feet on this property. So two or three of those trees would cover the canopy coverage and they have seven of them. Are you counting the bin nanotrees? Is this canopy? I only counted the pitosporum. These other ornamental trees were not counted in the canopy. Did you want? That doesn't really answer the question. The question was, were the landscape requirements met and not the specific type of landscaping or were they met, the requirements? There's a percentage for the front yard. Yep. As you know, we know. That was it. Okay. Thank you. In terms of the landscape, was the percentages met for the front? In your yard? Oh, I have the question I answered was with regard to the canopy coverage. I'm gonna look up the percentage. Non-residential zoning districts. There's a 5% requirement in the mixed use neighborhood of minimum landscaped area and all required front and street side setback area shall be landscaped, excluding areas required for access to the property and public and quasi-public open space such as courtyards or outdoor seating. Minimum of 5% and then in the MUN zoning district up to 75% of the minimum landscaped area may be occupied by outdoor dining areas, courtyards and other similar quasi-public areas with planning commission approval. Redscape areas counting towards landscaping requirements must contain above ground planters and other similar features that incorporate greenery and plantings into the space design. In all other zoning districts, these areas may not count towards the landscaping requirement. Any concern? Anything to add? I think utilizing a 1500 square foot lot is, I mean, difficult. Does that satisfy an issue address? Okay, any other, anything else to add? No? We have a motion or any further deliberation? I was gonna suggest, I think there's a landscape condition that we typically a standard condition for landscaping and if you'd like staff to make sure during the final review before planning, before building permit to, we can definitely do that to make sure the minimum of 5% is included in these plans or included in the building submittal. The rear yard is larger than 5%. So you would add that to condition 19? We can double check it. I'll make a motion to approve the project located in 13 Capitol Avenue. Second that. Are those motions including all the conditions? Yes, I'm sorry, and the conditions that were laid out. So that includes minor modification in the condition 19 in addition to condition 28, increasing the size of the garage. Hearing a first and a second, we wanna make a roll call. Business or SD? Aye. Vice Chair Johnson? Aye. And Chair Christensen? Aye. Item C is the housing element update. Updates on the six cycle certification, implementation and annual report. We wanna get the other commission. Sean will. Did you? Was it a new bench? New benches, yeah. Oh, okay. It was a little warmer. Good evening planning commissioners. I'm gonna give you a quick update on all things housing in Capitola, geared towards our housing element, our annual reporting requirement, and then also our lovely list of 80 items to accomplish in the next three years. Quickly, quick update on our housing element the last time we discussed at our last meeting, to the support for an increased height from up to 60 to 75 feet on them. This discussion is entirely for the mall site. And so there was support at both planning commission and city council to increase the height, to also remove the floor area from the garage calculations, to include objective standards, to ensure mitigation of those two items, including wrapping the garages, as well as stepping the buildings away from the streets. Within, when we got to city council, the representative David Geyser from Merlone Geyer brought up that they still had one more issue and that was the number of affordable units tied to the mall property and that it financially would not be feasible, although the number of units was feasible within the new envelope. That was an overburden of, burdensome in terms of the number. So following that meeting, the city council directed us to continue to move forward and prepare the document for HCD while working with Merlone Geyer. So tonight I'm bringing you an update on this to let you know what we've been working with Merlone Geyer about with them several times over the past two weeks. We plan to meet again next week once I have more of the language updated, but in terms of numbers in your packet, additional sites have been proposed within the mall area, which includes the area between Clare Street, 41st Avenue and Capitola Road. So you're seeing the added sites on the slide and in talking with them, and the revisions include the 15% for inclusionary housing. That's a requirement by code that they would have to follow. Also we're suggesting that in terms of moderate units that there would be, that we can include towards our housing element, a minimum of 5% moderate. And this is without including deed restrictions on those units just by design and having a variety of sizes within the mall site. They'll have a number of studio units that would most likely rent at moderate rates. If for some reason those numbers don't line up, then we might have to look at other sites or go into further negotiations. But at this point, I think it's safe to say, and Merlone Geyer wasn't too worried about the extra 5% on there for moderate as long as it's not deed restricted. So we also looked at, so this is on the top, the four lines are exactly what Merlone Geyer partners owns. And then at the bottom, the other properties on the site. And of note is that the coal site is not included, nor is the parking lot that extends out from the food court and kind of wraps around target because there's long-term agreements for parking there. We did include the area around Tecara restaurant that's also has long-term parking, but it was included in their original 2019 proposal. And we think that site could be worked with because we've seen them submit fire. And this is just showing the two parcels that are not included. I asked RRM to include what is the build out of those sites just so we're aware. And the coal site is significant at almost six acres. So it could generate quite a few sites in the future based on this breakdown. And then also that parking site, it's just a little over three acres and there could also be sites. So even though they're asking us not to include it, I just want to make the planning commission aware of what could happen. So I will be bringing, the plan next is I'll be bringing an update to city council next week on the housing element. As soon as I have the draft ready to put on our website for public review, we will do that and that will start the seven-day public review process and then we will submit to the HCD. And I'm happy to bring this back at any time during that process, but just to get those, we're hoping to get red lines from HCD. Any questions? Our implementation plan. So the housing element is set up that the last chapter is your housing, or not the last chapter, second to last chapter is your housing plan. It includes your goals, policies and programs. We have at this point committed to about 80 items. I will say many of them overlap and many of them are zoning code updates. So in this table I've created, I've got a large spreadsheet of all 80 items. I've put them into different categories. And so on this slide, I really, I just go through the thought process of how we'll be doing this. So agency coordination, that's something that we'll be working with local nonprofits and other agencies to provide information to the public. And that's just gonna be ongoing throughout the cycle. Developer interest outreach, we'll be doing an annual outreach and I'm hoping to do this in May, so that during affordable housing month, and we can do a lot of our agency coordination at that time too by having some type of open house and inviting nonprofits to talk. And I'll bring more to you on that in the future, but that's the goal is to host an event and let people know what we are doing in terms of housing, as well as hear from the nonprofits on what other resources are out there. Emergency rental assistance, this is a program we already have in place and it's managed by a third party, so that's a requirement, but we're already doing that. So we continue to fund that every year. A fee study update, this is due in 2026. It's dependent on whether or not our inclusionary housing is working. Right now it is working just fine, but if we run into more issues because of current economics, we'll have to re-look at that study. We just finished that in 29, 2020, I wanna say, so pretty recent. Homebuyer Assistance Program. That program will be utilizing redevelopment funds. We have some housing redevelopment funds and I'll be bringing that program forward soon. I'm gonna start working with our city attorney on looking at other programs that are available. I know Watsonville has a successful program that you can get up to I think $20,000 homebuyer assistance and that would be either a grant or a loan program, most likely a silent second loan so that the money would come back into our housing fund over time. And then a buyer's assistance administration, the administration of the ongoing process in which we would use a third party like the housing authority to carry that out. And then the incentives, we've already started those discussions and that's related to an update of the zoning code. Our mobile home programs will be ongoing, we'll be monitoring our rent control and if there's ever an opportunity for purchase and how we can assist. Progress reports and monitoring, that's ongoing. I'm gonna show you what we produced in 2023 next. Public information, again, that kind of ties into those developer interest outreach and really inviting all of the community members to come together and talk about housing for a day in Capitola. We're also going to initiate a rehabilitation program. I think we set a goal of two units per year so we'll have to set up just what the parameters of that are and then once we have the program in place we'll hire a third party to administer that program. Security deposit program is something we already have and it's managed by a third party. Technical guides and EDUs will update those on whenever the building code is updated and then municipal code updates which you know we're currently working on. So any questions regarding the list? So this implementation plan is something that HCD has looked at already or they insisted on this or how did you deal with the HCD with regards to the implementation plan? So I grabbed everything out of the draft. What will happen to the 80 items next year when we do our annual reporting? There's actually a page that you have to list all your deliverables and then you have to tell HCD where you are in the process. So that will, we will be reporting on these annually. This is their checklist? No, this is my checklist. This is my list of how, just to let you know how we're going to be implementing this and what are, how we're gonna move forward with everything we've committed to. And is this implementation plan part of the HCD, housing elements to middle? No, this is your community development director coming to you to just let you know that I am putting together this planning effort and I think we can meet these requirements within the next three years. So it's really a staff led effort to just provide you with an update and let you know that this is doable. With regards to the housing element, we've submitted everything to the HCD and we're waiting for their response again. No, so we're updating the information for the Capitola Mall and the site's inventory update. We also have to update a lot of our maps and there's a lot of information that because we've changed the site's inventory, it changes items throughout the general, or the housing element. So we plan, I'm hoping to publish the updated housing element with the redlined edits after the city council meeting next Thursday, so probably that Friday. And then we need to wait a week and make it available for public comment before we can resubmit to HCD. Has that been pre-coordinated with them at all in terms of the redzoning of the maps you've used and whatnot? We were supposed to meet with HCD this week and it's been bumped next week because they had to cancel the meeting. So we are gonna coordinate ahead of time and get in. They've reviewed what we initially put together with this mall reconfiguring. Any other questions on this? I think I heard comments before from that question. What does list of things that you have to do, how does that work into the staffing you have? It's challenging. It is challenging. So I have had multiple nonprofits reach out to assist us with the agency coordination and also just some of the public information and I'm gonna be leaning on those, taking them up on their offer. One example is I met with Yimbi recently. One of our items that we have to do is keep an active monitor sites which could be developed for housing and that's more of something that a real estate firm would put together and Yimbi during this initial meeting said they think that's one item that they could take on. Another Santa Cruz housing group is willing to work with us on setting up the affordable housing day in May in which we can have just local nonprofits come and talk about affordable housing and also have information on our programs that we have in place. The city has a general plan fund and I'm assuming that that money can be spent programs that are required as far as updating the housing element as a source of revenue to hire consultants and third party people to help with this. Yes, and we also have a housing trust fund which can also be used for assisting us with that. So there was our first budget discussion last night or visioning for city council and the items that I included in there for the budget were the rehabilitation program of $30,000 going towards our city attorney to create that program as well as the home buyers assistance program. So right there it's not, we won't be drafting it our city attorney will be drafting it and then city council will adopt it. So we do have those income sources to assist us with getting help. Thank you. Right now we're technically in the builders remedy period, right? Yes. Anybody approached us? No one has approached us that I, Brian, do you have any? I don't know if it's good news or bad news. I mean, bad news in the sense of nobody's interested in capital. I did hear that I know that other cities are hearing from developers about being approached. So I, we're not hearing any of that. So I think. No, that's true. Yeah. The requirement for affordable housing is higher. We're at 15%, if you, for builders remedy, it's a 20%. So you'd have to provide more affordable units and we allow housing in all of our commercial areas and you typically see this in commercial areas in which they don't allow housing because it's by right under builders remedy. Okay. Next. Annual housing report. So where are we? Our annual housing report is due on April 15th of every year. Whenever you have a new unit within the, so we're looking at 2023, any units that receive their building permit are counted towards 2023. So the list you're seeing here is 15 housing units that were developed, 14 of which are ADUs, one single family. When we redevelop a single family home, it doesn't count unless there's an additional unit. So many of these were tied to the redevelopment of a single family home with the addition of an ADU. You're only seeing that when it adds on. The good news here is that our 4401 Capitola Road project with 36 units that was approved on January 1st of this year. So that's gonna count towards next year's arena. And this list will count towards the eighth cycle because they do an overlap of the 2023. So I also put together what we did in our last housing, in the whole housing cycle. So for the fifth cycle, 75 units were developed of the 143 assigned. So a little over half, seven of them were very low, three were moderate and 65 were above moderate. So that will close out the fifth cycle for us. These numbers are good, but I think like moving into the next year, we've got the 36 units at 4401. And then we'll be seeing at our next meeting in April, the 52 units on 38th Avenue. So between those two, we'll have surpassed our fifth cycle on the first year of the sixth cycle. So that's an accomplishment. With that, I'm available for questions, but that concludes my update on housing. Okay. Is there any questions? Anybody? Is there a director? Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask. The next one. You know, I'll probably have a more in-depth director's report for you at the next meeting, to the preparation for our first item tonight. It's quite intense. So I will have more information for you. The big thing was just knowing that Capitola Avenue will be closed, the other, there was one other item that I wanted to update you on. Next week at the city council, we're gonna be looking at the, whether or not to go back to Zoom platform. There'll be an update from our city clerk. I know that was something that came up on our list when of discussion item. So stay tuned and then I'll bring you an update at the special hearing on that. Okay. Okay. I just had one, sorry I keep asking. Any update on seeing with some, we were gonna have like a rendering done of the, I'm sorry to keep always asking, but I'm just interested to see what that'll look like. We're talking about the. So we did receive the rendering. And it's great and it's informative. I think I can bring it to the planning commission. It was advised by Veronica Tam and associates that we not add anything new that we could get. So not added to the actual housing element, but I think it would be a great resource in which we could utilize as a informational item that we could have something on our website about how to provide housing on a. And I just think it's important like to have, you know, conceptual thing like that without a project connected to it or any emotion connected to it. And I look forward to seeing that whenever. Yeah. And then just one other question. With some of the items that we had coming out of our work session was two meetings ago or something like that. I was going to be a follow back up on that, like on some of those items, like we were talking about the potential about bringing the architectural review committee back and stuff that went to the game plan for having those items brought back and discussing in more detail. So Ben Noble and I are meeting next Monday to discuss how far is made it with updates. We'll be bringing you, I think for some items that it's really cut and dry, the actual language that we're recommending and for others that we need more guidance on we'll be bringing you options. So he's drafting and working on those updates. So they're in the works. I don't have timing for you. I know our April meeting is extremely packed. April meeting, you'll see most likely as long as all the environmental documents are completed, the 38th Avenue project for mid pens, so 52 units. You'll also see tree removal permits for you've probably noticed the trees that are tagged along Park Avenue. That's work that Public Works has identified. We had a arborist go out and identify all the trees that are unsafe. That will be coming forward. There's also a property owner that lives adjacent to right at the end of Escalona, Braille Salt, Escalona. And they've got a number of trees that they also need to remove. So we're gonna be bringing that tree removal application forward. I think it's in the range of between 22 to 30. We had to issue some emergency permits. So it was 30 originally, but the number's gone down. And then we have a couple use permits. One is for a new beer or a brewery establishment at the Capitola Mercantile. And the second is for moving the cannabis store that is on the gross road extension to that brick building when you come into Capitola on 41st Avenue that is curved. Yeah, so those, so you have a very busy planning commission. So we'll have our wharf follow up special hearing that we'll have to adjourn to this evening. And then a very busy April meeting. With the trees in Park Avenue, will there, I'm quite sure that will, I mean, I know there's some safety issues wrapped around that, but with the trail issue and all that, is there going to be some overlap on how that's connecting and that, so it's communicating those trees are being taken out for different reasons and it's not around the real aspect. So this will be the city's, this is our application to remove trees because of safety. They're not connected to the RTC. The RTC tree removal permit will be separate. Okay. Speaking of trees, did I see last night that you actually put on your agenda an update to the tree ordinance as your list of things to do next year? Things that we can't get to yet, but we know we should be, we need to do. It's okay. Yeah. That and historic guidelines were, we're not ready to fund those items and they're really stuff intensive, but items that we'd like to do. We are one thing that the, in the initial budget discussions that the support it by city council is to look at economic development initiatives along the 41st Avenue corridor and putting money towards a study so that we can take some action as the city to ensure the long-term economic health of 41st Avenue. So that's exciting. Great. Anything else, anything else to add? You know, the only other thing is would anyone like large plans for the 38th Avenue project rather, because they are, it's multiple buildings and. Yes. Everyone? Yeah. Okay. Sure. Okay. Thank you. That's it. Thank you so much. All right. Then that takes care of everything. And we are adjourned. Till March 21st at what's that six? If we could do 5 p.m. Okay. That would be preferred. Is that okay? Yep. March 21st, 5 p.m. Thank you everyone. Thank you.