 You're welcome back to the breakfast and plus TV Africa now for off-the-press. Let's introduce our guest Mr G. Jonson is a chief lecturer at the Nigerian Institute of Journalism. Good morning. Thank you for joining us Fantastic on the Daily Sun newspaper the headline reads outrage over plan to turban Soughton of Shoa Arab of a dose state government kicks says move Sacrilegious threats to peace and security AFCC stops ex-Abiah governor to a orgy from traveling abroad Antigrafts agency quizzes ex-governor son Commission spokesman says he was arrested Ghani son Muhammad died of COVID-19 related complications. That's according to the family PIA enjoy youth speed fire declare president silver persona non gratter in mind a Delta and Anambra Guba PDP candidates missing as Inaq releases list Fixes September 7 for final list Or conquer not afraid of opponents in the zenith Labour Party Security Buhari talks tough in meeting with security service chiefs threatens to make more changes vows not to leave office a failure Defense democracy a cheek who fire me others urge Nigerians ex vice president says Restructuring will force this sense of nationhood a kitty state governor says we should focus on how to reinvent our nation PSC waits for abacare reports sets up in-house panel. Lastly on the Daily Sun Weakest signs open grazing prohibition VAT collection laws All right, and now to the punch newspapers PDP P's packed crumbles of us and your secondest in closed-door meeting We case group kicks as a condors plans October national convention shift Fresh NAC meeting may hold and also NWC members disagree of a zoning panel Buhari approves 368 grazing sites in 25 states and also the Naira sinks to 520 Naruto dollar as foreign reserves slide further Still on the punch bunny battles five suits or 100 APC members seek removal Airport concession will fail legal torso eminence as labor Still on the punches morning IOC's old NDDC for billion dollars Agency debts to contractors now three trillion Naira says the federal government Buhari's security strategies working. He won't leave office a failure says the NSA and And 55 billion Naira fraud ESCC queases ex-Abbia governor or G and son for 10 hours Southwest kidnapped victims paid three billion Naira in two years Says Ghani Adams Still on the punch this morning police man a policemen rather detain and enslave ESN members girlfriend IG orders probe Hoodlums Rob POS operator of four million Nair burn cops cops kill Uber driver And finally anger in a door over sultan of sure Arabs planned installation Let's take a look at the Guardian newspaper to see what's making headlines federal character Gender gap dog PIA has federal government inaugurates committee NNPC to eliminate loss making subsidiaries on the new legislation Ninja Delta military six control of three percent for host communities PIA has shot changed cross river. I had a cries out Host communities is a five percent. That's according to OB Governors will work with PIA implementation committees according to fire me Courts rejects application to stop Kiara's arrest extradition I necklace soludo despite sports affirmation of Omoji abgas faction What a tight security as will hurry visits Adam or what a day Council chairman give immigration 24 hours to Vakit or your President tells service chiefs I am not ready to leave office a failure and the story we saw then on the Daily Sun Wiki signs Open grazing prohibition bill that collection bill others into law Insecurity Buhari threatens removal of military chiefs. I Won't leave Nigeria in security crisis Abbas and Joe says situation bad, but redeemable and we are winning terror war says minister I'm a Teco arrest underage headers seizes 49 cows in undo and also banks Forex dealings on the close EFCC watch a few others on the nation COVID-19 cases rise by 97% in three days President okay's review of grazing reserves in 25 states and police arrest 889 crime suspects in Lagos IOC's own entity see for billion dollars says Niger Delta minister Do the Johnson good morning once again. Thanks for joining us Good morning is the pleasure to be with you. Let's start with a story of the plan installation of the soul turnoff pure of our medu By some some elements In in a do state. I've gone to the story the governor Each state has done chief tansy law That's why it was possible for the governor of Canada state to remove the former soul turnoff You could do and that's why it was possible for him to to Bacanize the to remove the Emmy of Shokuturada. That's why it was easy for him to Bacanize the emirate by creating five emirates out of the existing canoe emirate that has existed for over for over a century So nobody could appoint a king or a traditional law without going through the traditional rules Based on the on the laws of each of the state so they do stick government as they are not aware the people are not aware the Is is an expansionist agenda and if this is not dealt with we begin to have problem in this in this country That takes me to the story of why some people are saying that they are not interested in giving their lands for grazing For for grazing that in the next 100 years if you give land to people to to graze in their community They claim to be in the team of that of those of those community. That's why the Lagos Ogun state Oshun state it is state and now reverse state have passed the anti-glazing Have passed the anti-glazing bill while the president has approved 25 grazing site in 25 states the president is much more concerned about grazing than it's much more concerned about security That is much more concerned about other other infrastructure development. I don't know The focus would be on installation of an oba and the focus would be on Having grazing site in 25 in 25 in 25 state of the Federation. I think those that are involved should be should be prosecuted for breaking the law the unfortunate thing is that People break the law willing and there are no consequences for actions or inactions by people in Authority, I hope they planned We should respect our institution even though I am of the opinion that we need to cancel all traditional traditional institutions if you really want to practice Fiddleism and republicanism republicanism is Antithetical to to to traditional institution means that the people the power belongs to the people Nobody has power by right a republicanism came from from the French revolution We are by the reality was condemned to the doctrines of history and the power belongs to the Republic the republics means the people That means government review, but yeah, you have a republic of Nigeria and then you have a traditional Institution being part and parcel of that. It's everything in Nigeria is an anomaly We practice federalism on paper, but in principle we practice unitarism We see we are the public and state yet We have structures for traditional laws and a local government the color 5% of the whatever ever need that goes to so It's it's unfortunate you You can you can have two heads One is facing forward and one is facing backward That's the contraption which we have when it comes to principle of governance style of governance in Nigeria So the idea has two heads one is facing forward one is facing backward We don't know whether we are moving forward and we don't know whether we are moving backward go to help us out in this in this regard John Jede Johnson also speak on the Statement by the NSA saying president mama the bar is security strategies are working and president also saying To examine himself and the student to score himself if you do that what do you think every student would do? If you give an exam to a student and we give the power of Evaluation and the gradient to the student if you see the way Other means people framed it what the president said the president said I won't be a failure It threatens to fire the service chief then the national security advisor that should have been fired in the first He's saying that they are passing which past man Can he safely and conveniently travel to any path in Nigeria without security being provided at the great security? You read the story that the president is going to Adam. I don't have been turned to a fortress He's there the newspaper is not the agency that wrote the story. He's not the agency that mobilized the security agencies It is those that are in that are controlling the security apparatus of the country that have taken it upon themselves to ensure that about Adam becomes a fortress. So he is saying that they Is trying to justify his is continuing Occupation of that office in which he has feel he should have gone with other service He went those other service people are what we're fired. So Which secure is there is Every time we open the pages of this week power do it the usual insecurity Left turn and center challenges here and there and then you have a situation whereby you have the military who say okay Some people have repented they integrate them back into the military. How do you fight security like that? I remember when ices was a media thing and some said okay and the members of ices were declared as as personnel director and There was no mission that was interested in taking back their cities because they were they will declare the terrorist group That's one of the reason why we said Refuse to declare Bookworm terrorist group because if you declare them terrorist group, nobody will be able to take them They are citizens of no country But we know and that's why you could have people repenting after killing and maiming people with their repentance Bring up people from the dead the national security advisor can see whatever he wants to say But the evidence is on ground Are contrary to what he's saying So it's only fools that argue with proofs the proofs and the evidences that are on ground Shows that there are serious security challenges that we're having in Nigeria And that's what a person just said. Well, it's mounting, but we can win the war. It's improving Nobody wants us to have security talents. I want to travel to my degree. I want to go to shukoto I want to go to if you read this book we read in secondary school Mr. Giva is a trader. He tells you about How peaceful the whole of Nigeria is and how he used to travel throughout the length and breadth of Nigeria Everybody wants to travel through that My parents travel throughout Nigeria People used to travel throughout Nigeria in a day. They would park, they would stop and eat and then they would go My wife used to attend figure Guess college in Bida and the parents will leave Lagos and go to Bida to go and check on her Nobody can do that today Mr. Ginny Johnson, let's take a look at two stories, you know in the police school space The first one here on the punch says that the PDP piece bats crumbles talks about how The wiki group is kicking against the secondous plan for an october national convention Also in the rillin apc There are five suits against booni and 100 pdp members that are seeking his removal still over the championship issue You are not saying the head of the crisis. We are just saying the beginning of the crisis one Let's talk about the PDP I don't know why people are always in a hurry. You have a timeline and a time span For the expiration of the tunnel of of your national chairman You live with it and when the time comes You do your national convention and you remove your national chairman If and if you succeed Ginny Johnson, let me just quickly point out. It says wiki's group kicks against secondous plan for october national convention shift Yeah, that's what i'm saying Why the boy is is tenor was caught shot by two or three months That's that's probably the guy wants to leave his tenor That's that's the reason for me. I think that what PDP should do is to is to work the parties Not even PDP what the parties should do is to stick with their constitution Whatever their constitution says should be the guiding principle that one of the fundamentals of democratic society Is the supremacy of the constitution if parties cannot respect their own constitution How would they respect the constitution of nigeria? That's why you see governors act with impunity president acts with impunity because from the party they come from They don't have respect for their own laws Established laws that establish them So they should have respect for it if you have respect for your laws For your constitution their own big crisis Their own big crisis the one you are talking about in napi is because you have an aggression The one you're having in PDP is because the wiki group wants to remove the wiki group in the first instance that install Secundus because without wiki support Secundus wouldn't have become the national chairman of PDP So the wiki group now wants to remove secundus without sticking through The constitution of the party why secundus himself is running the party without sticking to the constitution of the party So you have groups of lawless people managing the party system and they will select Candidate to run on their party platform and my dearest being gollypoo as we are we select either one of these Lawless people selected by lawless Party members to be the people that run our administration So we have people that have no respect for law and then we'll be crying like I told you about illustration Nigeria is like a country that has two egg one is facing front one is facing back and that is the situation you have in good political parties And how about for the apc Is the same is what you have in good political parties good parties don't have respect for their laws They don't have respect you don't have respect for their laws and that's why you are you have seen that the parties be devil with crisis You see the parties are moving from one crisis To another it's from one crisis to another look I was Removed I was Adam so shame only removed now now you have bunny bunny Let me tell you for example There is a common principle that says that if the president is from the north the national chairman of the party will be from the south Is that the arrangement you have in apc? Now you remove you remove you remove Adam so shame only from a door you replace Adam so shame only with With with someone from ub the president is from the north the Acting national chairman of the parties from those which takes me to the story of the the The membership of the steering committee of the Federal industrial act That people are complaining about that has made a neither data to be able to declare to replace If a a personal non grata 80 percent of that membership is from the north And it's about petroleum industrial act the steering committee 80 percent And you know why because by that act There are some certain people that should be in the in that steering committee And by structure because you don't respect federal character principle the meaning listen to this the nmpc chairman Is from the north the state does not produce petroleum product the executive The chief executive of the nmpc Instead does not produce petroleum product in not just the last three nmpc chairman the state does not produce petroleum product The permanent secretary of ministry of petroleum is from the north the permanent secretary Of the ministry of finance that the member of the steering committee is from the north so you look at the structure the president of Ministry of petroleum is from the north so you look at the structure where people talk about About restructuring these are the things there's nothing you can do to stop this from being the membership of the steering committee However, because the way You have a culture of impunity a culture that has no respect for federal character So when you have that culture a culture will supersede structure and the situation whereby culture supersedes structure You have the confusion you are having now You have the confusion you are having now Okay, so I want us to talk about the story Because as south was kidnapped in space three billion hours in two years and that is from ghani adams well, um It's just kidnapping has turned to a business You have a situation whereby people are kidnapping cardinast state And they demanded for rice. They demanded to feed the kids They demanded for Motorcycles and the parents paid over 100 million Parents and big teams and families of Are raised so to solve To address this particular situation. So it's a big business. Nobody is holding anybody accountable Nobody's that have been made. We have seen technicality stopping the prosecution of of them But begin to tell you about top flight cases that have been reported in the media And there is nothing that we have we have to show for you Whoever's case is still hanging The case of wadume that we lost that some Police officers were killed Is still hanging. We have not had anything concerning that issue. So Where where there are no consequences for action That's what you have Talking about consequences for action Mr J.D. Johnson, there's a story we've seen Also on the punch in his paper that the EFCC has arrested the former abbey state governor Theodology And he was apprehended at the airport in abuja and his son turned himself in when he lent of his father's arrest Now the EFCC says that the ex-ex-government allegedly Collected 500 millionare monthly for eight years As for security votes when he was governor of abbey state from 2007 and 2015 allegations You know also say that he mismanaged the sum of two billionare for ecological fund and conversion of Shopee funds. So um stepping in the right direction Or do you think he would also be let off the hook later on? Well, we know we we we inherited some we inherited a master From military administration, which is the security vote. There's nothing like there's nothing in the In in the constitution That says that governor have right to security votes and that's a vote nobody can investigate And now can governors be spending money on security votes and it's not it's not under scrutiny It cannot be audited. Well, I hope If EFCC succeed in this it's as a case precedent with respect to looking at our governors as spending security vote Can you imagine somebody collecting 500 million? 500 million monthly for eight years abbey is collecting governor abbey collecting 500 million How much is governor of legal state collecting? How much are other governors collecting? Who is investigating those ones that are dead? What steps what instruments have we put in place to stop that culture that culture of collecting that money So that you push structure in place to to affect that structure Yeah, but how do you think they can how do you think they can you know create make a case out of this because Governors as like you've said governors are still collecting security vote. They've been collecting since you know So probably if if it's prosecuted on this matter it becomes it becomes a case precedent That would make me to also ask questions about how security votes have been spent in my state for you to do that In your state to use the freedom of information act and deploy that for governors to escape You should be able to explain how your money you are spending on security If we let the state of america told us how much they've spent they spent in afghanistan They've told us the but don't let it happen. You don't know anything about security. And then what is security vote? How will governor justify collecting security votes and then we have the state of insecurity we have Can you imagine 500 million monthly? All right jenny johnson. Finally, I want us to wrap up with this. I want us to go back to The statement from the president in the paper saying that um, you know, he's uh He would not leave government a failure Um, I want you to quickly share your thoughts on you know, the legacy of the current administration If there's time between now and 2023 to put forward a good legacy That do you think that they currently have a very very interesting one and is there enough time to change it if not if not when you treat criminals with key gloves When you treat law breakers with key gloves when you say people are repenting you put them back in you see Just go and check the consistent inconsistency of government statement when it comes to repentant bookworm and what the governor of Bonustete said in the past what he's saying presently What God has said in the past and what he has in present is what put everybody in the right foot place They belong you use your second time to establish a legacy and I think one of the things That will characterize this administration Like the president said is how the issue of insecurity is there to it You know one of the reasons why he was elected in 2015 was that he's a former military head of state He knows what he takes to deal with this issue of security challenges that we have five years down the line We are seeing where we are by the end of eight years the score card will be out Time is still on his side for him to to to to to be decisive and to correct the wrongs Of what people have perceived exception is stronger than reality as far as his concern the records might even be there Is all the general perception of the people and the general perception of how is government managing that perception How is government managing the information is government doing counter policies to fighting insecurity on one hand You want to fight insecurity on the other and you are proving 25 grazing site in Nigeria so when you see conflicting policies That affect your security peace and tranquility in your nation then You are setting the you are setting the pace for your record. So history. We put him in the rightful place It's not for me to decide at the end of his administration We go through his administration. We go through his scores card And wherever I belong in history history we place him there But the thing is I only have he only has the second opportunities Some of them are fortunate to have second opportunity to rule this country like obama sundar obama sundar That opportunity to is having it is all regrets what he needed to do that he didn't do What he had opportunity to do that he didn't That he didn't do and those things indeed they are there is cocker. There's nothing he can do to change his cocker So the only time quality can change is those cost card is when it's here now after he's gone History we help him to place him where he belongs. Okay, mr. Jeter johnson. We thank you very much as always for I'm showing up on off the press on fridays. Um, do you have a great day? It's a pleasure to to be with you aneta and it's a pleasure to be with you Thanks a lot Have a wonderful weekend. You too sir. You too. All right, stay with us. We'll take a short break and when we come back We're going back in history to show with you things that happened today I'm talking about the nfl, you know and the founding of the nfl in 1920 Hmm, and I'm going back to in 1989 to talk about a very strange story two brothers more during their parents We'll be back