 Hey, good morning everybody. This is Christian Buckley. This is the NN team cast of hundreds if not thousands This is the Microsoft community office hours. Just kicking off another 60-minute AMA So ask us anything about Microsoft products and services and I've got myself Got how? There's mr. Riz. We've got Joe Olson Hey everybody, hey, hello friends. See you guys. That's all going live Yeah, I was just saying that so that the it was it was burning but apparently started raining raining last night So put out the tent fires But the hills so Traverse Mountain up above Lehigh and Highland, Utah the hills Black and over the the mountain that are that's behind on the west side of Utah Lake behind Saratoga Springs is also burnt to a crisp Wow, but I don't believe any homes were destroyed thanks to the rain overnight, but the wind was just crazy yesterday and So there just kept watching throughout the day. It was zero percent contained zero percent contained like what are those people doing over there? Here has been going on for three and a half weeks has not consumed over a hundred thousand acres and is about 45 percent contained it's I believe the largest Single fire that we've had in Pima County Yeah, and for those howl shared last week that if you are in the greater vicinity the the of the Southwest and have s'mores on hand. That's where you want to take your business Yeah, just just just set up a head out into the end of the the desert and set you up a little camp and get your Marshmallows and we knees on sticks the fire be by presently sounds great always Christian always thinking about the people it's It's a trait that you have always thinking about the people and your stomach. Yes, it's awesome. That's right Yeah, somebody did I guess it was the the fire control people did a By a map of the fire which you could overlay on top of the city of Tucson and it consumes the entire the entire Wow Well fire talk is great Yeah, let's let's talk something on fire What's your rest fee for a s'mores Good Yeah, I do like people who are creative and add cookies instead of just the graham cracker, you know, there's some or the the ones from Australia the Little little chunks of kangaroo in there or what's different? No, no, no, no, it's a specific Australian cookie that's like a wafer that's covered in chocolate. What's that one called Tim Tam? Tam-Tams Tam-Tams make great s'mores. I'm sure if we have any Aussies on I'm sure they would go crazy Skewer it and stick it over a flame and no, no, I can still use marshmallows, but it has built-in chocolate into the graham cracker Experience. Yeah, it's like a built-in s'more. I love that. We're all trained to refer to things as experiences I think that has been got marshmallows at the grocery store that on the Chocolate chunks already inserted into them. So I have to do is heat up the marshmallow and melt on the chocolate Or not heated up It's always that option. That's true. Yeah True or if you're looking for a more personal experience, you can see how I did that You can actually get your own chocolate chips Individually or just or just melt chocolate aside and sort of drizzle it over Dipping yeah dipping the marshmallows Well, if you're watching on the live stream I got some like the poor poor man's cooking show. No, this is You know, we're actually here to talk technology. So if you have any questions about Microsoft products or services I do have a couple. There's some questions that have been posted over the last couple days Out on the so the clap 365 Office 365 as well as Microsoft Teams pages So Let's kick things off now. We've had quite a few questions I've seen we've discussed here over the last several weeks performance related stuff So I've got a couple performance things and then there's always the the licensing questions that come in So here's kind of a generic question. I thought that we could talk around this We could answer it as well as then talk around the topic just to be clear So Taurus says could you help me with the the process to remove an Office 365 license and be able to use it on another PC? That's usually a matter of going up to your account in Microsoft and Telling it that you don't use that PC anymore and then just simply installing the license on a different machine Yeah, and there's yeah, I think that's in the personal settings as well We have to deactivate it and that's that's what people get tripped up because it it sounds like it should be something It's controlled and it's it's not Yeah, if you're talking about office 365 Yeah, and the the personal side the other difficulty there is that you have to remember what you've named your devices your machines And so which doesn't sound like it's that big of a deal But I've got like the the the license where I've got you know the five devices four or mine one of my kids And I I know the name of my workstation I couldn't remember which one is which on the on the laptops as the kids are using them So that's something to go and refamiliarize yourself with that. You're deactivating the right versions Yeah, I found that I like to name all my machines not this one And then it's super clear of those scenarios what you need to do You've got like two machines Christian To we're talking about see how I gave the smart response and you got blame for it. That was great. We're three I'm gonna get blank for anything Though the other side of it So that's what we're talking about office if you've got your of course if you're talking about and just says 365 license if you're talking about Office 365 Microsoft 365 licensing then that is within it's not the personal You know Setting it's within the admin experience and go into the users and you can remove that or You know delete that user or And remove those licenses and then reassign those so depending on what you're asking for Two different places to go Yeah, and as a user if you go to office calm you click on your name you can get you can get them From there as a personal install like where you see the install That's often as well where you'd go in to see what what it is assigned. Hey, Joe. Hey How's it going? It's going But as well, it's personal devices which also includes phones It used to be your phone was one of the devices and now it's not like you can Add Lots of mobile devices Let me do this. Oh, so here's a question that just came in Randall's asking What caveats can one expect when migrating to office 365 with an ad for us domain that doesn't match your exchange? SMTP address He says we can add an alternate upn But will that affect user experience in the long long run Eric? They're talking experiences. So There you go and long run, which is which is me. I'm gonna I'm gonna defer this one to Sean because the Medical attention or he's really not liking this question. Yeah alternate upn's are Yes, you can use them they are Notoriously problematic for certain things But you know if you've got domain that doesn't line up with the way your Exchange is implemented. I I'm afraid I don't have any great advice there. How's the outlook MVP It's the bouncing deferral game Yeah, I I can't so much help with that Me either I Would I would say that most most of those situations there are ways of figuring them out Thank you for helping and being helpful at the exact same time Joel I think it's one of those ones where it's like we need to actually see it You know being able to just kind of like it kind of looks like this Well, I need to kind of see what it looks like and there's a lot of it is ends up being routing You know, it's it's like did you actually name your domain the thing? That makes it hardest Or is it one where there is a way like the subdomain kind of path is a lot easier to work with than those top level domains When there's a conflict with the top level domain, that's why a lot of The forests are corp because they're a lot easier to work with Yeah, but in the outside world, it's just it's mapping when you're talking alternate upn's Life is not good. No Just going back for a second to Joel's comment about There must be a solution for that. Uh, Joel would also like to announce some breaking news tonight. We'll get dark and then There you go, we're all on the same page Just to be clear. Are we all pro breathing and air and and drinking of water? Are those things that we can all agree on as well as just Geez excellent. All right talking about name mapping. I do have a comment We we say office 365 and we say microsoft 365 I I do think that we should just start using microsoft 365 for all that stuff Like i've noticed microsoft is it's not just a licensing thing anymore. It seems like it's just Go microsoft 365 Yeah, everybody's noticing that. Yeah, I was pretty much just rambling thing not a not an obscure thing Yeah, yeah, we're we're beyond I I rarely now see microsoft stuff that actually says office 365 Although it's still out there. They're still updating, but yeah True, but dealing with customers They're not on the fast track No pun intended all the time Um, so office 365 and you say microsoft 365 they may not have gotten the memo Yeah, I switched all my presentations that over to microsoft 365 and then of course when I get to the slide that says office I just say microsoft I just don't Holder here so I can leverage this later guys. So apologies for not having this ready to go, but If it'll go Anytime other now is it ready? All right. Thank you stream deck for being I Well, there we go $450 later we have our boom Yes, sorry anybody got an airborne. Sorry joel sorry to interrupt you for that was that was an attempt at hitting the button That says rimshot and then it did work Rimshot for the rimshot All right, joel said anyway, sorry to interrupt you're starting to say if you remember No, in fact, um, so this whole office 365 versus microsoft 365 Battle is over a microsoft has declared victory as microsoft 365 um Biggest comment or or one of the comments is It's interesting that we don't have a logo for something that seems to be pushed so hard Um one product as an example is like we say we say office 365 groups But even microsoft even office 65 groups if you actually search On both bing and its competitor You would actually see that it uh, it shows up as microsoft 365 groups on both sides The logo thing is interesting Yeah, yeah, I don't understand why they haven't made us a logo If you can see That's the groups as too blurry, but the the let me point to it right here. See if that clarifies it, but right there Is it coming through? Anyway, yeah, sorry, it's sort of but there's an icon so there you know, I can share the image And paste this but it's a uh, yeah, there's actually there was a logo for groups For the app So there was actually an icon created for that product what? If we search on it, you can you can barely find it But i'm not sure if that's what you wanted to show there, but all I need now is your your cvv number So if you could just tell me that I got all the other numbers you were showing just missing that Well interestingly if you if you log into the office Portal right now as I just did in two separate places It clearly says on the first page office 365 Yeah That's the complaint that people are saying it's like with all the rebrandings like wall there it's still appearing in a number of prominent locations, so microsoft needs to go and Get those fixed Yeah portals kind of in your face so Well, here's another question So, uh, and this is an interesting and I don't know that there is an answer that's going to satisfy the the requester here But I think it's an interesting discussion So darin asks he says so now that we're working from home my boss finally needs to know what I do all day Is there a way I can generate a report from outlook Showing email sent and tasks completed on a given day So i'm trying to keep track Manually, but that seems like stone age technology Um, yeah, so there's some of the feedback sayings like what kind of like task nazi Do you work for that you have to report on everything that you're doing from home that you're wanting to pull a report? so that aside And personal feelings about you know here here is clearly a manager that has not managed people working remotely before Um, that should be because the right answer is you focused on the outcomes not on the Single thing a person's doing or not doing over the course of the day If you agree to and have measurements around the outcomes what you're trying to achieve at the end Who the hell cares whether it takes? 10 steps to get there or three steps and how many emails are sent and how much time in meetings versus emails and all those kinds of things but So generally speaking I'd say this is there's a couple things that what was it? What was the name of the person darin? yes Hi darin Eric here There were a couple of things that the darin said that that are a bit of obviously concern I mean, I love how you you make it a more personal experience. I'm trying to I'm taking notes. It's really good I love you fire police So darin I love how he phrases the question now that i'm working from home. My boss wants to know what I do all day So which of course begs the question. Well, what did you do when you were in an office and you could see your boss Did you not complete tasks then and what was the process for doing so? um You know, I kind of think of this as I I do mvp stuff where I tag Things that I do in the mvp community as such and then I can do a search or run a report on Those items and it all comes up and then when it comes to renewal time you Put in all that stuff and it's pretty seamless to do because of course. No one actually does it as it happens um in terms of emails and how you want to To consolidate those into some sort of report. Um, that's a different conversation You could do it by day and just sort of you know send them a rima paper Um, but I would definitely go the buckly way and focus on outcomes And one way you can do that too is look as far as tools if your manager likes it go and if you've got teams up and running build a a planner board And compile all the tasks all the things that are happening on a daily basis and any new requests come in you can actually You know grab those emails from your manager and drop them in a task You can uh, you know be as explicit in the descriptions around each of the different items And as those are completed they're all stored and so you can Um, you know share that that task out and they can the manager can see in real time. Hey, this is exactly what i'm working on Here's what I have prioritized. Here's what I have you can have a today tomorrow this week next month Buckets you can keep it very simple. So You know you have a real time or near real time Um view into everything that you're working on So then yeah, then the manager could check up on you throughout the day anytime multiple times Let me give him a a way to like take what we're talking about and in fact, I think of this as Imagine a power app or imagine Creating a list one of these new lists that uh, we'll be we'll be working with soon And creating a flow such that all you have to do is email Whatever you're doing and it ends up on this list Um and uh, and then basically you're you're building out the report that goes out weekly And then having a power bi chart that at any time you can go and see Here's the activities and create some cool graphs on it And just to make it be something that you just you know send stuff over when you want to Or drag and drop stuff on however you want to build it but just make it something that Is cool and shows the tech and is something that you know makes you feel good about what you're doing like how many people are on scrum teams or con bond but those con bond boards and the idea of Capturing here's what i'm working on. Here's what i've accomplished You could easily create your own con bond style experience as well where it's like Hey, this think about it once a week. Here's the stuff I want to accomplish this week and move the stuff you've accomplished into the i've done this And it's a good way for you to organize what you're doing and also let somebody else Know and you can keep those as as granular or as as You know big as you want you get to decide what size those t-shirts are And what you care about what's worth what's worth saying good points yeah, I think there are There are some other tools that are out there that integrate in that that have that are much more in advance than What planner provides that can do some of those things where you could you could set up You know i'm not attempted to do this, but i'm You i'm sure can go in and set something up as joel describes Where you can then email in and have it create A task a line item within a plan I know that there are the third party tools that work That integrate with office we see sorry microsoft 365 That integrate in but have that con bond model advanced features that enable you to do that Trello is a great example of that, but you have These other tools that are out there you can go and automate that so you could have the manager or any task any requests Automatically show up on this list you can then go in and okay, that was just an email. There's not an ask there Weed those things out delete them from the list, but then have a running Total and I was just thinking Joel that you know based on when those emails are sent to when you hit Complete on that task, you know that's data that's all captured that you can then go build a report on as well But there are these other more advanced tools that allow you to go in and do that that kind of Time tracking and it's so that you can go in and and as you You have to be Maybe it's a better fit for like an operations organization a support organization Where you are you have somebody that is doing the triage and new requests that are coming in So that you can flag them you can say here. This is a performance related issue This is a project management. This is a you know governance type issue Flag them differently Because there's still some That triaging some some massaging of those requests that need to happen It's a massaging experience, eric I'm not touching that. Yeah You guys pay attention to the my analytics reports Mm-hmm. See that's that and that's where some people responded as well as the the my analytics and part of the problem with my analytics So I think we talked about this last week When those were launched some of the first requests that were made Where people say I want to see this for my team and microsoft pushed back and said no This is you can't be a manager who manages five people And can then see this performance related this activity for those five people It when it's a a team of a certain size we can anonymize that and provide you this generic data But it's not meant to be tracking on an individual Which is not to say you couldn't share those my analytics reports with your manager if I think about um My my phone You know the the weekly report that you get that says how much time you spend on your phone and what apps you use I don't I don't think I would ever send that to my manager Yeah Yeah, I spend way well The other thing is I I absolutely spend a lot of time on my phone You know my wife can attest to that but you know when you're getting the report that says hey I've been on the phone for nine hours or something and You're you're looking at how much time it is on various social medias. It's like, okay well I can kind of Fuzzy say a lot of this is work for me, but um, you know, it's it's interesting Trying to figure out is it how much of this time like in email as an example The fact that you're in outlook how much of that time should you be spending an outlook versus you shouldn't be spending an outlook? I I don't know that management understands productivity as it relates to How much time you're in word versus outlook versus Excel or you know that that kind of jazz Well, and and that's something that I look at those emails that that came in and and it's it's Kind of interesting to me But part of the problem with the analytics it says oh, hey, you have all this free time Well the way that I use my calendar I may not be in meetings with other people but I block out time to work on specific projects Because I've got other automations that out there I don't want somebody scheduling a meeting in the middle of what I know I need to be focused on completely this deliverable But unfortunately that does not show up the right way within my analytics. It looks like I'm doing absolutely nothing Um, and and so I'm not getting as much usage and it's probably I just need to go in and change the way that I'm Logging blocking out that time Um, and maybe there's a different way that I can report on it so that I'm seeing more useful data out of the my analytics Maybe I need to be Invite your other christian buckley account that way. It's with another person increase of productivity And you're continually talking to someone who's answering you which is nice. Yeah It's when you start to actually hear that other voice. That's when you have to be concerned You've been working from home Sitting alone in your basement bunker too long Yes, yes indeed except the voices in my head always have great answers for the problems that I have so It's a different experience eric christian you just lie here on the couch buddy. Tell me all your problem Hey, that's a scary thought Liam just reported in from the denver airport And so he says hello and waved at us. That's so nice. Liam. He almost cares enough to join You know and participate Um, so now he owns the wi-fi in the denver airport. That's right. He's taken that over He's probably Liam is probably one of these guys if you've never seen it. Liam does the uh, so you can hack share point It's a great. It's been out there for like eight nine years. It's very entertaining to go and see it's also very scary And and now he's poking fun at me talking about the voices in my head. Yes, they are all the voices in my head are all Song lyrics from the 80s Doesn't mean that they don't have the right answers No, one one of the things I always It was I've seen Liam do that session live three times twice in dc Once I believe it was chicago um And he always prefaces by because he shows a bunch of live environments that he is Hacked into he doesn't really hack. It's all legal. He's not broken any laws. These are people walks up to the door He he goes into environments that he shouldn't be in that people have not Properly locked down, but he he stays legit. Anyway, but he uh, what when I air all three times Where he he prefaces his presentation by saying If you see a site that belongs to you, please do not say anything Come talk to me And I'll tell you like what I did and what why I was able to get right in whatever all three times There was somebody in the session Whose network it was whose site it was And and then you'd hear like the person in the back suddenly Yeah In some circles that's called an upsell. Yeah, that's right Well, and I think it was that that time and I think yeah, Liam says he says that he just knocks in the door Um, I believe the last time I saw it was in dc was at sharepoint fest dc when he did that And it was enough and the woman started talking so he got up and they and got up with her And walked her out to the back of the the room to talk to her To calm her down a bit. I think that came back. That's the start of a drinking problem right there For those that don't know who may be watching listening. I don't know Liam Liam is one of those characters and I've known him for many years So I can absolutely say this. I know he's listening and he can smile when he hears this to know him is to love him Between you know, the physical appearance and the accent And it's never to which he presents Absolutely And I I won't I won't do the injustice of doing the accent though. I do it very well You have to hear him go through the way he breaks it down and explains it in order to realize that He's a slightly brilliant guy and it's it's done with a lot of effect. I was gonna say um, there's a blog Yeah, there's like, uh, there's black hat hackers and there's white hat hackers I think that uh, Liam's hat must be so white shining it would blind you like he's the sweetest nicest guy Not only is he like going up and ringing the bell. He's probably polishing the bell, you know, when he Yeah For us kind of thing where it's like leave it better than you found it He absolutely is leaving every place he finds better than it was It's probably organizing people's files for them when he arrives. Well, he he is out there He's had an exchange with uh with randall and answering more of the earlier question Out on the the live stream. So yeah, he does he says I am like an angel hacker Yes, I believe it Now the one other thing I would say about is like you have to hear his boys his his young boys laugh because it it's like a mini uh, Liam and but it's it's it's like, uh What are the names of this the the of the uh chipmunks, you know, he's got they've got like that higher version of his laugh. Yes Yeah, it's hilarious the other word Simon. Yes. Yeah You know, I got one more quick thing to say there's a lot of companies who or there's Companies who care about security There's this game you have like the red team versus the blue team. I once worked in a company That that had that where you'd have like this team fighting this other team And the bell was often was often the domain admin, you know, they're they're trying to get domain admin But let me let me tell you if you have on-premise share point It's actually in some ways just as powerful to have the account that is the index account in share point Because if you can get that one It has access to everything at indexes, which often is all where all the data is So hey when if you guys are playing that game That's one of the ones uh because people don't don't change it You know share point on-prem was one of those environments that Hey, if you change a password on it on account, you know, you can change your user accounts all the time Every six months or whatever, but they if you don't change that index account Man So that's that's definitely one That hackers love to get is that share point index account Yeah, I've seen them just go against, you know user profile web service and just scrape some very interesting stuff out of uh, just wide open uh UPS and upas just Uh throw it up there on the screen easily, you know, this is probably available. I just Made a request Me walks up to the door He'll knock But he does not go in Yeah, and for those by the way to answer that as a question but um or to uh share the information from liam's info You can follow liam out on twitter. Hello. It's liam and that's his blog as well Uh, I'll paste it in here Yeah, I'm a mr. Rogers kind of experience Hello, there you go Yeah, liam's love in that description his neighbor it is pretty interesting Uh, too funny Um, hey, here's another question. Uh, mario is asking um help Uh a user's mailbox creation was stuck on preparing state Uh, what would be the best solution on this one? Stuck on the preparing state Uh ever Wayed it out I mean, which shan, which is the a couple responses on the thread said exactly that said it could take up to 24 hours Yeah, I mean it's depends on the tenant and Number of people activity all sorts of things I mean you can go through all the normal things to look at from a checklist perspective Did you have a license to create it? What type of license is it all that stuff just to ensure that you haven't moved along the way, but Call us in 25 hours. I always wanted to be a doctor. So call us in 25 hours and it still hurts Yeah, it's one of those things where if it's a machine You know if it's on your personal machine When things like that, you know that when you when you stop something You're gonna have to go clean it up and it's like going and cleaning up your registry, right? If it happens, you know, it's like, uh, have you ever done have you ever noticed when you do external sharing? It actually requires some internal stuff and some external stuff And if if it gets interrupted Sometimes you'll end up with like a half Externally shared thing where it looks like it's shared, but they never actually got the invite Or it never actually created the pair because it needs to create that guest account and it needs to create the azure ad thing Phantom sharing Both pieces need to exist for it to work properly. It's interesting. You bring that up Joel because the next question that I had was from charlin Um, how do I as an admin adjust setting so we can do link sharing outside of the organization? Yeah, and and I think there's five places. I think for that policy No, basically you have to start at the top level and enable the tenant before you can then allow external sharing in the various apps that are points and teams and Lots of different touch point drive Before we jump off the email question. I just want to go back a second and say I I has seen it twice where it The on-screen result is preparing But it actually creates everything on the back end So try to log into the actual email account refresh your screen and see what the admin side looks like It wasn't clear to me if that person was a user or an administrator But go go through the processes and see if if it's really in step mode or if it's actually been created Yeah, just really quick. I'd like to make a just a quick plug here If you're watching the live stream if you do go out to buckley planet Every one of these this is week number 15 or episode 15 And so we are doing this at 8 a.m. And 6 p.m. Pacific But I compile both of them together into one recording push it out on youtube. It should be out there Tonight or tomorrow, but also you get this quick list with all of the topics that we discuss But specifically I want to point out that yes the last week We start to move on this other topic as an admin. Can I control the author? Nope Eric wants to talk more about av controls So my point here is I just thought we have moved on to another topic Eric has this habit of jumping back to stuff that we've kind of moved on from i'm just saying I I really I resemble that remark and I'd like to take this opportunity Because I didn't bust in the timeline dude. There it is again. All right. Yeah, I'll get that That five refresh is a good one though. Like I've seen it. Sorry. We're on the next subject now. We can't go back Yeah, speaking of that so after I guess the timing of this is poor I would like to read back on randall's question how liam responded Yeah, so uh on that sorry christian we have to we have to move on. I'm sorry the producer's in my you know, we have to move on It'll be interesting No, uh, so liam said uh as long as hey randall's long as the upn matches from on-prem to the office We survive users can get seamless login and then Randall says I've seen that part and understand that changing the upn does break a few legacy internal applications But allows users to log into microsoft 365 I haven't seen anyone that recommends an alternate upn over a primary one Our alternative alternative upn matches our exchange smtp address fine. I just don't know what I don't know, you know Yes And uh, I think he responded liam, um I still think anybody who's talking about upn's and domains It's one of those things where you don't want to get a half answer You absolutely need to talk to somebody who knows what they're doing so you can actually look at the full problem Yeah, and liam is saying have a client right now randall that their upn doesn't match Um, uh on premises, etc. Normal recommendation is have the same Um, or level settings for links. Uh, oh wait, that's he's answering the other question. Yeah, so yeah, I think that is the You're exactly right. We can this is this is like the dr. Oz response to medical questions We're talking high level general, but something like this you really need to kind of go through troubleshoot through some of the issues um Yeah Doctor it hurts when I do this Don't do that question Since you're since you're the owner of of the uh, the individuals I think if you connect upn guy to email guy, you might get a whole solution And I think that has sort of happened over in In the book of faces. Yes There we go That's what we do here, eric. We bring people together we we form ships Until they're insulted and run away. Yes First watchers and listeners. I just want to throw the caveat in which I normally do in my intro, but since I didn't get to do that today Uh, my wait, let's do intros now work. Come on intros. Yeah Let's change up your timeline make it as crazy as possible It is to get sean to emit fluids out of his That's right All right, because he coffee comes up see dude If I ever get a talk show sean's gonna be in the next chair because everything I say to him is amazingly funny And the goal is for him to spit coffee out of the screen. Thank you Milk would be better though. I think it would show up better on the live stream That it would yeah, I agree. Hey, let's do t-shirts. Oh, yeah t-shirts We'll see the latest one You Add networking protocol jokes It's a slow response joe you go next Uh, I I actually uh, mine's easy. No just just black and plain black, uh College shirt. Oh, come on joe. You're phoning it in I know I know I was looking this morning and I was like Anyway closet didn't uh, I was hurrying Yeah, I've I've worn this but everybody can name the company Oh, yes Labs. Yeah. Yeah I've got nothing but next week. I'll wear a christian's favorite actually christian Why don't you wear my favorite teacher next week? How's that? Which one is that? It's the one that says I came to hear eric talk and all I got was this lousy t-shirt. That's right It's in a duffel bag. It's it's slated to go on the next quilt The other one I was thinking about there's I've had for some reason there's been an influx of likes on the horse's end page on facebook I don't know why and uh And and so I remember so I have that obnoxious like Like bright day glow lime green horses end t-shirt And I remember those. Yeah, if you don't know what horses here, I'll I'll I'll find the page. I'll I'll add the link but um I love the community antics, you know the horse's end was I remember the boston one where that was going to be was it the mist concert or Well, I think I've got a picture of the t-shirt Okay, hang on this Yeah Yeah, there are no more questions Yeah, clearly there are no more questions here um Are there is there a photo of that? Oh, I had I had it something to discuss. Um while we're while you're pulling up Wait, here's we want to mess up the t-shirt. I guess we might mess up the timeline here. Here's wait. There's there's the t-shirt in the live stream. So I'm sure they're enjoying it. Yes It's in the in the live stream. So sorry So you guys can't sure yes okay, so um Here's my topic for you um, we talk about citizen developer and this community are around um The the not or not a developer But we you can't say not a developer and even the no code low code is like not doesn't do it justice um And what I've been noticing is there's a new term and this new term is maker And uh, I'm a big fan of the maker Movement because maker is actually a movement. It's a diy movement. It's a tinkerer hacker kind of movement Yeah, I raised the millennial a little bit. It's a It's um, it's it's coming with a force. I think more tuned towards the folks who are building physical things than virtual though, right? Yeah, and that's that's so that's a good comment because I think that uh Is is it gonna stick? Are we actually gonna up the maker movement to go from physical to virtual? No, I think that's the whole point the maker thing is it's uh, I mean the first thing that I think of it I think of makers. I I think of like the uh, um the steampunk crowd But I I think of people like vorosski that you know just in the picture of the horse's end picture and him going and building furniture and and fixing stuff in and uh overly ornate and creative ways around his his house and sharing that stuff out Me using a 3d printer to build your own missing part on a now Defunct, you know, like a car part. That's just not made anymore. You know that that's how what I equate maker to What's wrong with What's wrong with the citizen developer You know description. Oh, it's gotta go. It's gotta go. I think citizen developer like it still downplays the You're not a real developer and that's not that's it's it's its own thing What about power and when you think about power apps and power automate You're really taking things and combining them and building things and and you think about the It's really taking legacy things and connecting them Or you know, but you're building something new from from previous old things And it's also got that aspect of and you're doing it in a cheap way I think Yeah, it absolutely they use legos a lot with all that power platform stuff I think it's I think it is gonna stick I think I think the the battle is it may be still raging especially based on your reactions, but um I didn't realize there was a battle Yeah, yeah, if you go out, you know, you're gonna start seeing maker all over the power apps and pot of power automate stuff Okay, it replaced. I'll look for that. I've been noticing. In fact, if you go to the um The kit the power platform kit the new one the uh, what do they call it? It's not a governance kit What's it called the um No, nobody on here knows first aid kit starter kit starter Power platform starter kit it actually refers to the maker on on the on the the intro page Yeah makers will forever be um symbolized by like Simone Yeritz the uh chick who built uh uh truck law She took a tesla and made a truck she's uh The pretty person in the cyber truck. She's the queen of the shitty robots That was her original title, but she does lots of other things now The the I guess the problem I have with it Joel is that makers are specifically Off-line non-tech it's in fact so much of it is a big part of the movement is um using Hand tools to build a lot of those things And guess what the power platform is they're all power tools Yeah, I think that uh, it'll be interesting to see if it really takes hold. I have seen a lot of the uh these these these new kind of um Oh, there's these new power platform the power addicts. They're they're embracing maker. I'm telling you Yeah, I I Again, they they they can do that and I get it. I understand I just think that people from the maker movement Probably would not agree with that but yeah It's it's a maker movement is almost like a hashtag, you know, it's probably going to be something that can change Nobody can own it. Um, it sounds like there may be a robot lady who uh has embraced it But I think we've got a lot of people in the community. I think they're gonna embrace it as well It'll be interesting Uh, I mean it'll be interesting to somebody. Yeah, uh, all right. Yeah We'll talk about this in a year and then we'll see how it's how it's addressed. Yeah, I agree. Yeah Uh, let's see any other any other Uh, we usually start out that way, but you know any other questions anything come up over the past week You know, you're talking about tasks earlier task. I hear there's some task management stuff that's releasing this week Oh really New Minecraft drop right my Eight year old nephew will be excited about that Sean it's it's a very big release Excellent. It's the level of detail that I love in the description It totally overhauled the nether Okay Sean I mean if you guys played Minecraft, I mean I have to ask you to speak english You know how it offends me when you go off script like that No Sean Sean, you know, my my gaming habits are restricted to to two games. So yeah, I know tf2 and uh your More of the ring stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I I finished a game yesterday Vader Immortal 2 Oh, yeah, yeah, that was great a VR VR game where you're basically You know, yeah, I've been using the force on robots and uh You get to use your lights paper I've been seeing you in uh in VR land as being online often I I enjoy it. I think in the co vid times. I think VR has really taken off You know, a lot of people were like, oh, well, we just need more equipment and Then it'll take off. Well, the oculus stuff has been in very short Availability like right. It's hard to get supplies. It's hard to get anything even like the new stuff It's very difficult to get Let's say knock over my house Well, you know, Joel, I don't I wrote about it a few months back. Um, so last fall. No, and I went to a VR demo. There were two companies that were demonstrating and we so we were up at the kiln facility up in uh, uh, Salt Lake City and uh Really not a lot. Not very well attended. Maybe 20 people at this event And uh, one of them was a vendor that was building it for Primarily for education resources and went down and was was trying it out. I was like, look, I've seen something I've seen variations of this. I said the problem is that entry point. He's like No, it's it's available on steam right now. It's five dollars like Wait, so I can go in And pay five dollars through my current steam account Get this module go and add my My content my slides into it and record my You know image standing there talking about it and I could build a classroom I could build this for my students today. It's like, yeah for five bucks Like that's it available now. Of course, I don't remember the name. I have to go look it up the the name of the company Um to be able to I wasn't prepared to talk about it here But the the point was to your point Joel is that you know, you don't have to have the advanced The headset to do that. Now, obviously it's a more impressive experience Eric When you have the headset and have the full vr experience, but you can have a 2d 2d experience Um as well and and the other side too is that um Their platform that what you're paying for the basic version to go in and to add your continent is that 2d experience If you want to have like in their demo that was a professor that recorded a class talking about The dissection of a human heart and had this 3d model and walking away and you see it kind of Expand and that is more than the five dollar version to go and build all that and you have to go build the 3d model, of course But if you have that already built Can add that into your presentation But it just it really opened up to my my eyes to Where the marketplace really was? The readiness now, obviously this was before the covet stuff Which made me gave me a different perspective on like share point spaces and some of the other stuff microsoft is working on You know, I I I have a couple of recent experiences as well like I was buying a um a scale that um That has some really cool features where it'll Tell you your bmi and tell you like how much you've lost. It's a cool little app um, but when i'm buying the the the the The scale on amazon there was a button So the it did a mixed reality so you can actually see the scale on the on the floor Um, and I think it's not even just, you know, something that the that the maker added onto it But the uh, I see what you did there. Yeah They they, um, I think it's it's something that amazon enabled. So it was basically you they could Upload their three three dimensional thing into it and then it shows up in the phone And then they start selling you product descriptions for for uh chubby Men, you know, it just starts, you know, it's what I what you need to do is is get advertisements that remind you that you Ate too much over the weekend for that fourth of july part. Uh, yeah Yeah But anyway, I I did some spaces last night actually so I built a A virtual lobby for for an event. I haven't yet, um, announced Or a party that I haven't yet announced Anyway, it was really fun kind of putting together Just using the the 3d objects that are already in there. There's already a microphone. There's already, um You know Costumes and things like that. So I was able to get skyboxes. You know the lobby um Here's the different things and then basically you can just make it to where you're clicking through And into the team's meeting. So basically I'm able to kind of build out my event before it even begins It's pretty cool. Have it the 3d lobby think about a few people have talked about Using spaces for for kind of the 3d lobby and I did all that without a headset You know the whole thing I was able to build it all out and uh, and you can consume it the same way You don't have to have the 3d like you're saying but if you want that experience You know, you can get the whole 3d experience with the what the headset shoot me a link joe. I'd like to check that out Have there been any I don't think there's a guest experience. That's the problem, right? I could I could absolutely upload the the end result. Um Or I could do a video. Yeah, I could share a video. Why not? Have there been any like I'd like to experience it's vr. Yeah that I've had the vr experience yet like the expo hall Have so has anybody done that for the community events that you guys are aware of joel? Are you aware of any? No, but I'm gonna maybe I'll be the first Yeah, because this has been a a discussion we've had about uh with like inspiring and ignite happening How they're going to create a that experience for us to engage with partners with expo hall uh sponsors with you know each other those casual encounters. Um that um That we have that make you know going to a physical event Um so valuable So we did I do have some quick stats on when we did the virtual marathon we did do alt spaces And we had a hundred people 104 people who joined alt space Through that event and they entered there were 400 Um consumptions you could say like visits 400 visits for those 104 people So they they came back multiple times Hmm pretty good metro. It's kind of some interesting statistics. That's cool. Yeah I'm in the space as preview joel. So I mean if that's if you're worried about that stuff Yeah, well, guess what everybody can can now. Um, apparently spaces is in public preview Yeah, yeah So last night in my tenant, which is not one that was opted in It was there and the features you have to activate the feature Which I haven't done in forever But you activate the feature and it pops up. So when you click new You can create new space Yeah I'll share my experience Yeah, you need to check out Yeah, I'm in joel and You know then my MVP tenants So I probably could give you an account because I I don't know how to I don't even give guest experiences in spaces You know what I mean? Sean Mmm Can I share it space? I just I mean it's just access to the site Oh, I guess maybe there is guest access But you just can't do anonymous. Maybe that's what I was thinking is anonymous. Yeah, not anonymous But I mean, I can give you a I'll give you my ID Yeah, please do You said that I still see the I still see the private preview up there. I shared the link there It says preview on it But it's it's available. I think to a lot of tenants As I understand it You're up to the chatchel Great Well, I see that Yeah, just we got a hello from Neil that he wasn't going to make it a few minutes ago But I'm just now seeing it and we're at the end anyway, but You know this will so we are at you later We are at the top of the hour. So Thank you gentlemen for participating this time and And for those that are interested including on the panel that would like to Participate we'll be back at 6 p.m. Pacific for our APEC session and we'll do this all again and Eric feel free to join us and to Discuss again any of the things that we've already answered in today's session I was actually thinking I was gonna block out an hour later on today to go back to last week That's right Yeah We love you guys. Let's get a bunch of type A personalities in one little space and see who can suck up the most air Uh, I just mute all you guys Oxygen not included That's right Yeah, that it's much better that way Eric. Yeah. Well, thanks everybody. I don't believe All right, well thanks everybody for watching and we'll uh, we'll be We'll be back in a few hours Awesome. All right. We'll catch you later guys. Bye. Yep. See you. All right All right, and we are underway All right, and uh, hello everybody. So this is uh part two Of the today's of episode 15 Of the microsoft community office hours My name is christian buckley. I'm an office apps and services mvp and microsoft regional director And i'm here with shawn and how I'm shawn mcdonough office apps and servers mvp Howl over to you Hey, how's that but also one of office apps and services mvp Excellent, and we all come to you with uh different backgrounds and shawn. I some similar stuff, but he's more techy than I am and Uh, uh, hence the the the headphones. That's right. Yes Um, but uh, yeah, if you have questions about microsoft products or services Feel free to ask. We've got this live streaming in a couple places out on facebook And uh, we do our best to answer questions and we'll kind of go dig through comments in the collab 365 pages the office 365 as well as the and and i'm calling it that because that's what it's still labeled Gentlemen from this morning said it's microsoft 365 now But and also the microsoft teams uh community page which has like, I don't know 20,000 40,000 people on or something like that So feel free to ask your questions if you're watching don't be shy And we'll do our best to uh to get to them and answer questions and uh anything Happened today any any come across any questions I had a nice follow-up conversation with liam Oh Was he still sitting in in denver at the airport? Um, I think he had moved on perhaps, but um He uh, he was greatly entertained by us Well, we were pouring it on pretty thick for him and his praise. So I'll edit all of that out in the final video, of course I told him that he says you guys for like talking talking me up for like 10 minutes I'm like, oh, yeah, we'll whittle that down to like 30 seconds And then I'll bleep out a bunch of stuff to make it sound like we're swearing at him rather than praising him. So Yeah, just yeah, he's gonna I can't believe he's gonna be a grandpa Well, I know when he's like 30, right He looks like it. Yeah What is p90x or whatever it is routines and Muscle crunching Insanity Some people are into that stuff. I don't know. Uh, they're they're crazy, but I'm into doughnut crushing crush it Excellent. How about anything you've come across over the course of the day anything knowing that we're going I'm going to ask this question yet again um Well, there's some things I can't talk about. Yeah Yeah We can have that There was another meeting earlier today with Dynamics and power apps and they've got some things which are calming that I can't talk about. Yeah I didn't see I might have declined on that. I you know, there there's been a uh, it seems to me there's been an influx of the mvp nda calls Uh, and a bunch of more granular topics, which is great Yeah, there's been an uptick for sure. Yeah But um, yeah, I sat through one Go ahead. Oh go ahead And of course, like this would be silent. So yeah, that's right I was just going to say Sean that uh I sat through one with plant and for planner today So it's it's great. It was a little bit different It wasn't so much hearing about new stuff is providing direct feedback and and it's great to uh One of the questions was do you like this format? It's like Anytime you're coming and asking and they're clearly taking down notes and How we feel about certain things and I love to be able to provide that kind of input input Yeah, bring it on. Yeah Without a doubt It's another advantage of being an mvp. So if anybody has a desire to uh To move in that direction Um, you know, that's it. It's a great perk to have that Direct line in and be able to provide that kind of feedback back to microsoft July 1st is just around the corner guys Yeah It is isn't it Yes, it is. It's Wednesday It's raining today. Of course, it's july This seems like we're gonna be extreme weather Yeah I know I know this has been the most uh the least summer like weather In the four years that we've been here um There's been maybe Two days this year where I think hey, I could go swimming like yeah I actually Contemplated as soon as I walked out the door with the dogs this afternoon like Should I go back and get my sweater? Wow Really? Yeah dropped 23 degrees since yesterday Holy smokes. Yeah So good times, dude. Yeah, really Yeah, we've had um it was rainy here today, but um It was uh We had a lot of nature outside. I don't know if you saw my facebook. It's usually where the nature is But so I'm glad I don't know if you saw my facebook post, but We had you know, just oh, yeah this morning Yeah um, I looked out the window and I saw this very Cool spider webs set up in the grass Um, and it caught a bunch of dew in it Those cute little brown recluses. They're so darling Hope not but um But um that looked cool and then of course we had deer Just hanging out in the front. My wife has been catching the deer catching eating her plants um in the early morning hours On the security cam so I was going to suggest, you know next time you get a haircut you sprinkle the hair Around the plants. That's one way they don't like the descent, but You got nothing, man Yeah, I mean it's dust Load away. Yeah. Hey, uh, so that's where I was gonna ask We lived in um Alpine for a year like 25 years ago Here in utah There was a herd that kind of roamed like we were in neighborhood right by the hills And so they would come down and there was like 30 40 of them just would come through and Uh, we didn't have a garden at the time. So I just thought it was beautiful Yeah neighbors didn't like it so much Um, it's just really incredible to watch and of course we made it worse by we would buy, um You know bags of apples just the cheap red apples and throw them out there, you know Boy, yeah pull them in exactly Uh All right, well, um Just think uh, yeah like that JV comments on the on the uh on the watch party that nature is always outside exactly my sentiments exactly So spot on jv Who knew yeah, but I don't know they you think that they would teach you that kind of stuff in school Not a word of it ever Take it forgiven Yeah, so actually that was the whole nature chat was that was fourth grade here in well in california It was fourth grade where they did the naturals. In fact, I so i'm related to john murr If you know the name he helped kind of discover and map out most of the western us So there's that murr woods. Uh-huh Okay, so he's a fourth great uncle and And uh, and so I I in fourth grade when we were starting to learn about natural history and the local indians like so I grew up in the san Francisco bay area and uh, the the uh indigenous uh american indians that lived throughout that that area Um, I can't remember the names of the stuff now But anyway, uh, we lived like right at the base of mount diablo and I loved hiking up there And you'd see where they would grind the air the acorns and these rocks and you know Where their village areas were and it was all still kind of mapped out So I I used to know all the edible plants in in that part of california Then I and I thought you know, I'm gonna go work in Uh, you know out in these parks. That's what I want to do for a living. That's what I want to do when I grow up And I think it was sixth grade and I still kind of thought that I wanted to be this naturalist and then I found out by talking to one that how Much money they make and or didn't make and struggled with with things And uh, yeah, I I rethought my strategy I'd like to vacation in the nature now so and and that works And you have the means to do that Uh, I had yes, I have nature. Yes. I'll I'll every time I go outside, john Yeah, all right. Let's talk some technology Um Let's see. I'm looking through to see if there's any questions. So there's nothing that's been newly posted since This morning. I'm looking to see if there's anything I've missed here So going through so again feel free if you're watching the live streams. We've got it on in a couple locations post a question Um, let me see Yeah, there's a there's a few questions. It's difficult when you see Um, and we've we've talked about this in the past where people post questions What what they clearly need is to do a phone call with support We kind of alluded to that this morning's call like sometimes it's not enough just to ask a question We've followed questions. We need to see the issue to be able to really answer that And that's a lot of these like I'm getting this error message and what does this mean and Um, not a lot we can do to answer those kinds of questions Unless you're on and live and responding when we have our follow-up questions That's happened a couple times Um Have you guys noticed an influx in uh in spam and phishing emails? Is that just me? That's noticed that have you guys noticed any changes? Um I've noticed a slight uptick, but um Not I get so much junk. It's hard to tell honestly Of course for me part of that span is is self-inflicted because this uh, you know, but The the distribution list that we all have access to our are in ridiculous fire hoses and so Mail rules, please. Thank you so much. Yeah, I sometimes wonder with these the The list even the mvp lists, you know, whether there's others that are taking advantage of that I mean, I see Microsoft vendors partners that are on that whether I know people that work there or not But I'm on the list that I know I never signed up to get email from them And I'm getting spammed by them. So it's a Quick trip to the permanent block It's unfortunate you have to resort to that tools that trade I guess Oh, let's see here Yeah, there's a there's actually another question To something we talked about briefly this morning Merko's asking a struggling with the experience. Oh, where's riz when we need to when we talk about experiences Struggle with the experience when changing the assigned license There's a long delay between assignment and activation. Perhaps there are some usage problems between Yeah, the We we we talked this morning somebody was saying well like activating a new license and And it just showing it kind of the spinning wheel. It's like what's happening and our response was well depending on You know the the the license depending on the the servers that your where your tenant is located But and those services running which they can be up to 24 hours for a newly activated user to get All the licenses up and running Yeah resources It all comes down to what you know when you activate that license kicks off a bunch of little processes bunch of processes that will go out and provision and enable various settings some of them are very easy to Flip I guess quick to set Others you may be put in a queue And you typically queues or share between tenants So you and all of your friends who are in your tenant sharing the same hardware End up in that queue for certain processes and Some of those processes. Yeah, it can take quite some time for them to complete so Certain parts will complete quickly others will go slowly just it really just depends It's looking to see this new question that came in Yeah, actually I just like jumped over that so there's those two questions one that we just talked about one that we talked about this morning and I jump over to the teams community and Um VK is asking a similar question. We have assigned to audio conferencing licenses to users. It's been more than five hours But we still didn't see any bridge call information when scheduling a team's call So getting those licenses to work and I don't know anything specifically about I don't know if either of you guys about the audio any nuances there, but against You see stuff. I don't I don't understand the uh provisioning Parks, I know what they got to do, but I don't know what that involves Yeah That was a couple of people saying the same thing. Hey, you know, it can take up to 24 hours Um, especially due to the increased usage of the platform Um, so It's just the reality You know, no matter how much how quickly it's kind of like, you know All these conferences that we do around the world and no matter how much they plan for The demands on the wi-fi The day one, it's just always miserable experience and Yeah, and it's it's kind of the same thing I think that in some ways that this whole quarantine period in this massive Push of everybody working from home Is done something similar. It's like it is quickly as they can adjust people are going in and Using more and more of these resources And I think logically people are all also, you know, they're very quickly getting up to speed with a lot of the features and utilizing them more and more More recorded Sessions more uploading and storing of video And editing more co-editing activities that are going on All of these things which are going to impact your performance that are going to impact your network Absolutely, yeah You wonder how much, um How much headroom Various providers gave themselves For growth of services and you know, how much of that is being consumed right now You know, how much capacity do they have that they can still light up Versus What's utilized and they've got to Perhaps go back and put more um capacity in For You know optical cables and networking and all that sort of stuff Thinking the last mile run You know, it's just incredible to think about um is the I don't know how many um You know if you if you were able to like kind of light up and and see how many Servers are being utilized for your tenant and for your current user the user demand And obviously data is being You know striped across multiple servers and multiple locations depending on You know the company the tenant all those kinds of things, but the Just think it's fascinating when we did capacity planning back in the early days back in mms and for those that don't know Uh, so I I joined microsoft in 2006. I was there for three and a half years I started with a group called microsoft managed services Which got renamed uh months later to business productivity online services or bpas Which was the precursor to what is office 365? So we were building this You know this hosted share point, um, you know this this cloud version and Is some of the initial, um, you know, just architectural logical diagrams and uh, but It just it's fascinating to look as we were adding in all of these components But when we were going out and building out, um, and I I actually helped write the first, uh licensing models for Office 365 it looks nothing like that and you know, I made the mistake of trying to build the licensing towards Being breakeven to slightly profitable and uh was Kind of yelled out for that crazy thoughts. I know I know But the the initial version, but how many uh, how many servers again, we were on-prem It was a dedicated. Well, it was a dedicated cloud offering So it was essentially you'd sign on to it and rather it just be the cloud and this amorphous thing That's out there out of the multiple data centers. It was you know, a a a couple data centers And microsoft became your outsource it and so you'd log in it was to Microsoft data center to these these servers these dedicated, uh cloud environments and We were building our most of what we were doing around this enterprise model of 5 000 Users and I don't remember the numbers like how many we estimated of the 5 000 users in an organization How many were concurrent how that scaled up to 50 or 100 000 all I know is that for the 5 000 It was a crazy number of servers dedicated servers to that single tenant that single um company It was like the initial footprint was like 22 servers 25 So that yeah because we were thinking of concurrent users and all of the the capabilities And having the headroom right so I'd I'd love to see what that looked like You know what that looks like now. They've gotten the it's so much more efficient, of course, but Yeah drop a container and you know hook up the network and power and You're pretty much good to go There's good and bad with that I know shon you spent a lot of your life thinking about you know that Planning and the issues around that And obviously the the the pro to being on-prem or a dedicated cloud customer Is that you can be much more targeted about the services that you need and the performance that you need around Then go beef those things up Right And you don't have as much control over that in a cloud offering No, you really have to um make sure that uh you partner with someone who uh Kind of works the way you do or offer services that you're um willing to accept A lot of people Enter into I I think a lot of people enter into Many agreements cloud agreements um not really thinking about what the um actual Business continuity implications are for their situations um, and You know if they have an outage or something You know like COVID COVID's a great example You know workforce, you know at what point Most organizations that write business continuity plans develop them um In a way that uh, they've got criteria that will have to be met to um Kick the plan into gear and What that criteria is um Maybe should even define for some folks that the differences between having like backup of a system versus a business continuity strategy Some people think that they're like the same thing like okay backup to be able to restore this data. It's like Business continuity is is a much bigger thing than just the backup. That's one component of it Yeah, business continuity is uh, that's This continuity is If you think of an onion disaster recovery and backup, you know like Is right at the center You might be focused on that one technical element But when you get into business continuity, you're talking about um processes uh human procedures calling people Pulling out guidebooks Phone chains things like that These all there are other exercises that should be conducted as part of A good business continuity strategy At risk analysis business impact analysis One of you know, this is one of the sessions I give When we go out on the road And uh, I talked to disaster recovery I focused more on the That business end of it rather than the technical side because the technical side Ideally if you do it right The business drives the technical solution But oftentimes many managers Are choosing technical solutions To the business problem. They don't necessarily understand Um, and it's it's really rolling the dice. Well, one of the first Sharepoint deployments that I did so prior to joining Microsoft And uh, I actually wrote the business continuity plan because we had surface level agreements with our Customers so you know and sharepoint was one small part of all the other components and we had our um, you know our onsite backups the hot backups that were happening and We had the the daily pieces the weekly the monthly and then we had You know just not much that was in the cloud at that period that was back in 2005 Um, but there was the components that were out there. So we knew exactly we had that disaster plan It was you know, like in the binder, you know, what do you do now? um But Rpo's and rto's that you're working against recovery plan objectives recovery time objectives Well, and the customer signed off on that they they understood that hey look, this is the at, you know, You know best case we're going to lose Six hours of data period That was deemed acceptable, right and they sent off to that. So it's uh, yeah, it's uh It's just it's a different way of thinking about things and I think that in the on-prem world Uh, I think I mean I still because I would Discuss though I'd present on those topics as well as well at Sharepoint Saturdays and other events back in The on-prem days and most organizations were not planning to that level of detail Um coming from the data warehouse background I mean that was just part of of life and I was shocked to Find that people weren't Thinking about that talking about that in the Sharepoint space Yeah, I um actually I think was up in Toronto um I've had all sorts of people come into my sessions The d-bar sessions in particular um had one guy from Like the canadian stock exchange Um talking about what they had in place and What they were trying to implement and meat And whether they could do it or not etc So it was all you know, there's a there's a There's a particular plan an approach rather that you follow and you do it a certain way and you get things um put in place, but It's not something you want to try and do at the last minute or A quarterback after the fact Yeah Yeah, I think the original Sharepoint um Backup recovery business continuity documentation Um, I I know that Mike Watson started writing that stuff But I think it was like Sean lively maybe even bill bear that I'm pretty sure that bill I know Sean participated in that as well and I added some pieces in there that was trying to remember if I presented in one of the internal conferences Um With uh, Sean lively one time, but bill another time. It was all on these Oh Watson and I presented on this That was at the tech ready So I wonder if I still got copies of some of that stuff. It's always fun to look at. Oh, you're gonna hawk a book. There you go Yeah, well, that's I a lot of that stuff went into this John Farrenger and I Yeah Sharepoint 2007 before it and 2010 disaster recovery guides That we wrote for Sharepoint um A lot of that came out of my experience with um Financial insurance companies here in Cincinnati um It's quite some time ago now, but uh That's where I got my that actually I was doing dr before I was doing Sharepoint And Sharepoint when it came in, you know, I started doing Sharepoint and it rolled into it and we talked Sharepoint dr and actually that was a match up and That was the whole idea a thing and you know that I didn't know like what the any the nuances of any of this stuff with Hal with uh outlook and exchange and that side of it, you know, I just In my mind the exchange is always much more mature um product and platform and seem to have products and Automation Sharepoint is just such could be such this, uh, you know, a structured and unstructured hot mess Uh, yeah by comparison um People trying to I mean I one organization I worked with I quickly put the kibosh. Um, they were gonna Try and stretch their farm across data centers um And they did not have the they did not meet the criteria for the Sub millisecond latency um You know gigabit bandwidth with sort of situation and for a stretched farm scenario And they were they were thinking they were going to just run Sharepoint. It's like it does not run that way. You can't it's It's a unit. You got to think of it As an entity in and of itself Yeah was there also the problem with people that said, oh, just Replicate what I have here on prem over into azure, you know, just go it's like it's not Exactly built for design for and works the same way. Can you do it? Yeah And uh, it's an expensive way to not perform, but yeah Yeah, nowadays. I mean What they can do with, um replication and snapshots point in time of vss based snapshots Um and synchronizing those across machines Particularly virtual machines Yep, you get the entire farm involved in it That's actually a viable Yeah, but the flavor of Sharepoint that they have, uh, uh Built out on in most azure environments Is very different deployment configuration Uh, you know, it's optimized for that environment Um, yeah, I was specifically making the the uh, you know the replicate what they built for on prem and whatever I'm sure solid practices that went in place with the architect to get that solution um over into the cloud and then Puzzled, you know, why why is this not working the same way and performing the same way but Yeah right Well, I've got engineer. I do have there's another question. It was actually I wanted to discuss it this morning We ran out of time. I have one other question here, but um This is kind of a broader question. It says, uh, carly was asking, um It says hey new to the group not at all techie. I have recently bought an acer chromebook And have issues using microsoft teams Uh, so for example, no feature to change background and will not allow me to present live events will only allow me to view as an attendee um, and I hadn't gone out and looked at uh limitations in you know specifically in The to know if there's anything with a chromebook that are you know any other limitations There is uh, so anyway, I just throw that out there we could talk about but uh any known issues with running teams and other pure cloud microsoft 365 on a chromebook I don't know about chromebooks. The most I can speak of it. It deals with that that realm is is an android phone and um, I don't With me teams is a matter of what time of day i fire it up. What tenon i'm in what login i'm using And and a number of other variables. I suppose things like got like what the temperature is and the humidity of you That too because the the the feature set varies it seems almost from meeting the meeting um And I don't know whether that's a Me factor of the way the meeting was set up and as being Being run by the host or whether that's me as being The way My tenant is set up or my the the the email address that i'm The the the account that i'm using with whatever tenant i happen to be in there's just so many things that do work Don't work work differently depending on all of those variables um The closed caption for example is one thing I kind of discovered that by accident. I found that actually working on my phone um And then it depends on what meeting I meant on the computer as to whether or not I see it right Uh, I that's not a crow book But at least that's sort of relevant to the standpoint that it's and it's an android I think well, I would say that so two people that have been responding to this one are people that we know paul hunt and Tobias koprowski both out of the uk um And and a couple others garith and pam had great comments as well on this one I think there are three issues for people that are thinking Hey, can I use all this stuff with the chromebook? And the the the most important one is what paul says the chromebook probably doesn't have the power to do backgrounds Um, and you need a cpu that supports a particular chipset command and tobias says the same thing It's just not a chromebook is not powerful enough Based on the chipset requirements and is not currently supported by microsoft With the product so so that's the one thing if you are thinking about, you know finding a beefier, uh, uh, you know laptop But that is a chromebook type or you know trying to keep things lightweight and not have anything installed locally Um, somebody else made the comment. Um, well the browser version of teams has fewer features in the application And there's close to parody. Yeah, there are differences Um, I don't have a list of them. I'm not really Tracking all all of those things because the core things that I cared about three years ago when it all went live It's all there now And you've got the the meeting and the live meeting all that capability through the browser base as well Those were some big differences early on and that parody is there. So they're fairly close And the the browser version will surpass the desktop version Very quickly. It's already in some you know some areas Um That's the so that's the second thing. So one is that is the capability of the device Two is the uh, you know the feature parody and the third thing is exactly what you said Sean and somebody else Gareth makes the comment that uh, sorry how that you brought up of the You know, which tenant are you logged into because that's sounds like part of the problem, too Is that um, you're not going to see some of those capabilities If you're logged in To a profile on the wrong tenant if you're looking for if you're in your own tenant your company's tenant the one you own You're going to have the abilities that you won't have As a guest and other tenants as well So those three things can impact your usage But the number one is if the chipset doesn't sport it if the you know Don't buy a chromebook Chromebooks are not known for um power their exemplary horsepower Yes Yeah Yeah, there's uh somebody else is asking about on on teams Some of the differences based on the profile It's it In the sure point world that things were simpler somebody would say I can't do something the first place you go and look is around their permissions Everything this seems to be permissions based and teams a lot of these issues Um, you know something similar somebody's asked uh in a live event the guests could only write they they You know, they're not able to do much. I'm looking at the their english trying to translate here, but uh And tracy vanderskiff uh responded and said yes, uh In teams live events attendees can only type in q and a no audio no video Um, and they can they can use the web to join but they are just limited in capability That's one of the biggest I was going to use the word complaints, but i'll say Points of feedback from microsoft Um, and they're well aware of this is I think uh people I like I love the idea of the live events and uh You know, but I found myself using meetings rather than live events because of the limited capabilities of the live events I'm still a paid Zoom webinar user so all the webinars that I host Um because I need the other the more robust functionality that's missing the reporting From the reporting there is no reporting in live events Um It's uh, yeah, it doesn't meet the minimum standards for webinar technology um For the market friendly no So it's it's uh, and we've said this in prior shows That microsoft teams is an enterprise solution. It is robust when you're in you're Talking about your enterprise within the scope of your enterprise and the the guests that come in which are fewer than Those that are within your organization typically When you're talking about doing things out For a webinar and doing things out into the public where you have anonymous access It's not what it was designed for so it has limited features and it is uh I want to say buggy to use in those it's it's working as it was designed for the enterprise Which is different than webinars True enough. Yeah Always feel like i'm i'm bagging on microsoft for that. It's like i'm not it's like it's not what they designed it for I think it's just You know, I would love to be able to uh to Simplify consolidate all of my activities down to teams and use teams for everything But it just doesn't do the core features and it's a pain in the butt and it That and the uh video and audio quality is just not the same as some of these other solutions that have been out there For a long time. It's just Right tool for the right job. Yeah Indeed Yeah All right, I drive a layman with a pipe wrench What's that how? I said it's hard to drive a male with a pipe wrench Yeah, well you can do that it won't go in straight, but it'll get in there But I think certainly is quite is quite accurate there and that with that respect. I mean you Pipe wrenches work real good on pipes hammers work good on nails It's you can use both after a fashion to work on the other project But the results are not necessarily going to be all that great very true very true Just looking to see if any other questions have come in Now it's kind of a it's positive feeling to go through in the community all the questions and Run into the questions which we covered the previous week That's nice. Yeah, it's nice What are your thoughts on a share point wiki versus one note for documentation? Do you use to either of you use the wiki? No, I Can't say that I do Now one note I'll typically use one note for like grocery lists and other sorts of things but I do not go back to a share point for the wiki It's interesting. I I rarely run into cases. I mean there's people who are defenders of wikis I've used it when I ran a workshop And I wanted it basically like a you know clickable table of contents down to detail and and built it out for that but Then what I did afterwards I was taking notes in one note And captured kind of duplicated all that in one note and sent out a shared one note And the second time I gave that workshop. I deleted the wiki and just used the one note You can build a nice cultured experience um with the wiki linked and Everything but um You know if if it might be overkill yeah well if the way that the wikis were built and was almost a you know, it was a community driven knowledge hub for an organization and in the microsoft ecosystem and in companies that I've worked with You know yammer has become that and it's a much better interface for going and capturing that making it searchable Just a lot better user experience See how I used experience again It'll run in it'll make sense folks when you watch all two hours Don't do that. Hey, there's like at least a dozen people that will watch the video Uh, yeah your time's precious. Yeah Now it's just uh, you know, I'm just looking through here. There's 21 comments And I don't see a single person that is defending wikis No, they I mean they've got their place but I think they've fallen out of favor or rather Occupy a niche that um It is what it is It's funny too is that when teams went live um You know and and by default the wiki was there and people were like Why can't I delete this thing? Why can't I get rid of this? Yeah, and it was the number one request for a long time And so they they enabled that to make it optional still had it there but you could turn it off And I and so now I don't even look anymore, but you know, it's it's it's off by default You know, so it's it's not there um But this this question is about you know the share point wiki and wikis in general But even then I mean honestly, I don't run into people that are using it anymore No, not too much people have a list and then they'll have that kind of knowledge captured in uh shared one note Yeah Far more common And for my for my money more versatile at the same time Yeah, good point Uh, you know, I think we've tapped out on questions that are posted to the pages um So if anybody has anybody that's watching the live stream if you've got any questions you'd like us to handle We've got another 12 15 minutes here Happy to try to tackle those Absolutely And uh, well, I'll do a quick plug while we're waiting to see if anybody has a question So tomorrow so hopefully I'll have this I don't know if I'll likely have this posted and it'll already be up in live, but if anybody's watching the live stream, uh, we have the um collab talk tweet jam So it's happening at uh 9 a.m. Pacific tomorrow morning So tuesday the 30th and we're discussing the state of microsoft teams. So that'll be interesting So it's kind of an all up like You know, are you happy with teams? What do you like about it? What do you? Uh, what are you complaining about it? You know, what what what are the problems that you're having? What works? What doesn't work? And it's sponsored by of course tigraph that provides the analytics around that but also the comms verse events the comms verse event is happening the uh, The first or second week of july I should probably know that I guess technically not this week Next week, um, the comms verse free event all teams And uh, should be jam-packed. I think they've got like 3000 people registered for it Um, so online free event Uh, definitely go take a look and they're doing um multi geo You know geographies kind of so they get different time zones that are in that So you take a look at that so you go just do a search on comms verse online and you should find that Um, but anyway, so we've got the tweet jam tomorrow and then I've got uh A couple folks from comms verse and from the community that are be doing the Post tweet jam interviews that video will be live tomorrow afternoon as well. So Should be interesting Good deal And if if for folks, if you've never participated in the tweet jams, it's on twitter That's you don't have to be on the panel just to participate. There's a lot of people that just lurk and listen in But what I like about it is that we it's a one hour It's a very fast pace. So you have to hit refresh a lot on your browser Um, yeah, it goes by very quickly And I ask the the community seven questions over the course of the hour And it is just a veritable cornucopia of Responses. There's some great feedback that come out of these every single month So please just jump into twitter and come join And we've got of course a great panel that is participating and you go out to buckley planet And look for the tweet jams and just do a search of the tweet jams. You'll find it a couple weeks back when we did the post but Yeah, I'd love to have more community members there and asking questions and providing Their thoughts and feedback and there's always a lot of microsoft people that are listening in So it's a great place to ask questions and get feedback Yeah That's where most of our lurkers are it's all the microsoft people lurk That's that's true. I suspect I'll probably participate in that Are you on officially? Are you on on the panel? I can't remember if you accepted or not Um, I don't know Neither do I hang on Honestly, I think so I don't know. I've been big kind of busy. So go follow who's who's on it. What? So if you go out to buckley planet And uh, I'll grab and copy that one. So the people in the Let me look down the panel item on my It's on your calendar Yes, you are on there. Sean. There you are And how are you are you on there as well? Did you officially? I don't know if I did or if I didn't I don't think so because I don't see it in my calendar Which won't be from showing up. All right. Yeah, so Don't see you on there. I can always forward it to you as well. How Okay, I'll post it up here is the link for for folks And I'll post it over in the feeds Yeah, good times. Those are a lot of fun. I enjoy doing those. It's been This is our ninth year of doing these Wow since january of 2012 It's amazing too is that there are people that are participating in those that were in those first One two three months of doing these and I think over the the eight and a half years I think I've only missed Three maybe four months Where we've not held them So wow, yeah, I try not to to miss doing those because I I do enjoy track record Yeah, there's a little bit of work involved getting those going but uh, yeah, I think it's been a huge benefit to me It's I was talking with With a publisher For a site i'm going to be doing some writing for and And she's she said, you know, where are you getting your ideas for some of this and I pointed at her two sources I said, well, I do these monthly Tweet jams is that if you're ever looking for ideas for what could we could have christian write about You can go look at some of the takeaways from these tweet jams And get ideas if you want the pulse you mean talk about hand on the pulse of the community Of what people are thinking about something and the other one I said is these uh Office hours that we've been doing because of that I said there's literally a list of the questions That people are asking and some other jokey stuff that we throw in there. Yeah Yeah Other stuff. Yeah I was thinking maybe uh next time shon we should think about doing War drop changes and have a show other Break it up war drop changes Yeah for the folks who Haven't seen it the shirt Bad networking humor. Yes And then of course I have the Who's I talking to that doesn't Somebody who didn't recognize what this says What it is I think my sister-in-law was like, well, that's the aperture thing. I said, yeah, that's part of it. It's It's the aperture labs It's from the game portal Is it it's used in other games though, isn't it? Is it just portal where it comes from? It's actually aperture hands labs in in portal, but Is it used in other games other microsoft based? I'm Trying to think Does it appear anywhere in like halo or something? I don't Think so I don't know. I really don't know All right. Well, we get four more minutes What else do you guys want to talk about? So we don't have uh Any questions coming in but I'm looking Well, I know what's going to happen to me My kids are going to pull me down to play minecraft Oh, yeah I think you mentioned something about that this morning that game that no one else none of us else play Yeah I have to say that almost every time that I go over to my sisters across one town over and her husband and And uh her youngest son Um Like half the time I go over there minecraft is up on on the screen. So Yeah, it's a good time Yeah, I think he's he's pushing his son to uh My nephew to to code and go the tech route. So he's he's a web developer and And uh, so he he talks about you know the benefits of that and get the kids thinking about Picking up some python. Yeah Yeah Yeah, lucky you can do with minecraft Yep Obviously, I'm taking full advantage of that I know it's just not the same can't swing the sword and kill some orcs shan You know, that's my thing You can get zombies. Yeah And they're doing ray tracing What? Ray tracing you You are not oh my gosh Let me We have to correct this What is this thing of which you are speaking? I will show you let me find link This is the proper video here's the link Did you share it somewhere? I put it in the um Yeah, sometimes hitting enter is that little that little bit of effort at the end Is that the video are you going to play it on screen I'll share it over in the What we're at time we'll let we'll let people go in and I said I shared it over in the uh in the watch party And uh because I should put that out on My page as well Yeah, but they've had uh Ray tracing The minecraft What is that? Ray tracing. Yeah um It's a way of lighting scenes um three dimensionally that's basically taking light rays and calculating the angles and various uh Like the reflection off of it like the the depending on the surface type and Yeah, if you watch the video, I mean the video Describe it for sure. I'll watch it as soon as we're we're done. So But um, yeah, it's it's it's a way of doing realistic Lighting and rendering and scenes So so they added realistic lighting to a game in which everything looks pixelated Absolutely Fantastic, that's what I want is accurate real world lighting to something that looks fuzzy like my glasses dropped off my face excellent Makes minecraft beautiful. Yes Okay, well gentlemen, you know, we're we'll we'll we'll leave it there We'll let people go and check out the video link there Um, we'll of course be back next monday at eight a.m. And six p.m. Pacific And so uh, if you have any additional questions, you can continue to uh, you go out to uh, Facebook in the office 365 Community or the microsoft teams community you can post your questions there You can send them to shawn howl and myself anybody else that participates Um Contact us through the social channels hearing my voice Echoy Someone switched setups But you can ask us questions through any of the social channels and we'll uh, We'll we'll respond back to you and and uh, you know, we'll likely likely We will answer that we won't let make you wait a week to answer We'll try and answer that but feel free to uh, to ping us with your questions and we'll uh, We'll try to help you out. So All right, i'm gonna go eat a late dinner Good deal. All right. Have a good evening It's just that Yeah, just that time it happens All right Great talking to you talk to you guys later. Bye