 Yeah, anyway, you believe in a God. Yes, cool Christian God, I imagine what domination are you how about that? Well, I'm Most my life the church of Christ, which is a Protestant Denomination cool. That's like the OGs, right? Oh, I mean like our like Original gangsters. I'm sorry. I'm sorry like Catholicism Protestantism like yes So I'm on the Protestant side of the equation would be the best way to do it I don't know if he's laughing at us or something. I don't know if you're laughing at us or if you're listening to something I'm laughing at you. Okay Okay, okay, okay, so uh Is it a denomination of Protestantism that you're in or is it just Protestantism in general? The domination is called the church of Christ. Cool. What do you go to church at man right now? I'm going to the evangelical French church. Oh, that's a completely different church than Protestant. Yes It's so I live up in Rhode Island. Oh, wow. You're really far away Okay, I'm stationed up there with with with the Navy got it. My sister's in the Navy. Oh nice. She's just getting out by the way Awesome. What did she do? She worked as an accountant on a ship? Okay, and she was stationed in Sassabot now She's moving to very nice. Yeah, I've really read before There there are no churches are Christ in the area where we're living Yeah, but I'm not one of those who my background church are Christ, but it's not like that's the only right church Only one we're doing we're the only one doing the right way and everyone else is wrong. That's just what I'm comfortable with Oh, I see I see cool I think that there are when it comes to nominations in in the church People have different ways of doing things. Yeah, there are some common core beliefs that For that from what my reading description you have to have in order to call yourself a church Just and and and the older I get Those number of core beliefs keep shrinking. Oh Wow, that's so cool. So like what's the main core belief? I would say belief in God Jesus the Holy Spirit like a belief that you have to believe or that the fact that there is a God Well to to be a Christian church Because of a Christian church as in if I walked in your door To you call yourself a Christian church I would I would need to see that you believe in the Trinity God Jesus in the Holy Spirit that God sent Jesus down to earth where he Preach did miracles died on a cross rose from the grave and now and now isn't heaven With God like and like the main core of that is the God exists, right? And outside of that I'm going to see that everything else that I used to be hard to find a Christian church It's like God doesn't exist that I used to think of Yeah, we're like essential Yeah, is I reading it's no more people I'm like wow those really aren't those are just what I like got a weird Silly question for you as a Christian church that was and help me up Baptist or something like that And it's like it's not about the Trinity like we don't believe in the Trinity But we believe in God and we believe in Jesus and we also know that there's a thing like a Holy Spirit But there's no official trademark Holy Trinity was that acceptable or is that a completely different thing? Are they doing it wrong? I'm not I would need to talk with it now. I first off. I'm no expert I've been in the church for a while and I've been reading a lot, so I'm more self-educated anything else I like that. I would need is It'd be a matter of hey if you believe in these people And you don't call them the Trinity while I call them the Trinity, but you still believe then we're just talking semantics at that point Yeah, yeah, something like that So I would need to that would be I would probably feel uncomfortable because because the Simple because the term Trinity has been used in the church for four centuries in English in English Yeah, like if there was but a lot of different languages or that but that concept of The the triune God is present like the the the nice seeing creed from like the 480s Like so it's so it has to be that or you're doing it wrong See everything is contextual. I there's not much that I would I would need to I wouldn't know where you put a line at that's that basically like Do this or you're or I don't even the Trinity would but say we don't like calling the Trinity I don't think that's bad, but if you believe in God Jesus and the Holy Spirit which Now you could say the Bible doesn't really mention the Holy Spirit particularly Or the word the term Trinity. Yeah, cannot find the Bible, right? Yeah, that is a theological It's a way of the logic understanding the elements we seen in the New Testament. Yeah, so I Believe you draw the line and it has to be the Holy Trinity. I would if I if I had to Push to shove I would say if you believe in Jesus and God, but not the Holy Spirit. I would be much more Skeptical of what you had of what what you were saying might have asked some weird fundamental questions Yeah, how confident are you that I got exist very comfortable if we did this thing, please don't steal these things I'm they're not they aren't worth anything But we did a good job if he's listening we did a good job making them, but like if this was like, oh, yeah I'm a hundred percent confident. This is like. Oh, no way. I'm a zero like I know that God doesn't exist Like where are you on this scale flip it out? No, but is that like not a hundred percent? I would say not a hundred percent because there's very little in this world That you can be a hundred percent. I'm trying to I'm trying to get this thing. I'm right here personally. Okay. Yeah I would not hear right like I'm not like off the chart. No, I'm not off the chart. Yes. I'm like I'm like right here. I think fifty-fifty. I would probably say 99% ooh you went up a little bit. Okay. I what I believe there's always a matter of uncertainty. I like that you can't have Like I don't have faith that this chair exists. I Can see it. I can touch it. The faith is not involved. Do you need faith to believe in your God? Yes, if without faith, would you not believe in your God? That I don't even understand the question like you have to have like literally it's a question to verify if the first answer You gave me is consistent. Okay, you need faith to believe in your God accurate. So without faith Are you still believing in your God? No, that's that would be the consistent answer All right, what is faith to you? Now Season I'm gonna turn turn to the Bible here. I know that's you know, Romans chapter 10, blah, blah, blah Well, he was 11. Oh that one. Okay. It is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see And you can always change you can change it. Yeah, but certain of things hope for it They did it depends being sure of what we hope for sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see What of hope and certain of what we can't see yeah And that got you to 99% confidence My my life experience has got me a 9.9% confidence to do to find faith. So So what where this definition come? What's the main thing that got you 99% confident? What's the main thing that got you back? What method did you use to become 99% confident that God exists your God exists? I don't know if I could point to one What's the most what's the most important thing as a method? To come to a 99% certainty Reason I think is a big part of it. So reason And personal experience and personal experience. Hey, you said it for me so experience But the personal experience is I understand the personal experience because of the reason because of the Logic I have I have so I'm really interested about the reason. Okay. What do you mean by the reason? How reason has a method to know something 200% or 99% certainty? What do you mean by like reasoning like you logically put it together never asked this question of course, I think it's good Are you familiar with CS Lewis? Yes, okay. I read mere Christianity. Huh mere Christianity mere Christian Mere Christian. Have I read the book? Yes. No, I've not read the book In in the book CS Lewis Tackles the tackles the I will eventually go to what it means to you and not so much. Okay I'm sorry. Okay. So what does it mean to me? Yeah Because we can talk about other people's ideas all day long. I want to know what you believe It's so much of what I believe is it's been wrapped up understood through just tell me what what that means to you Yeah, what does that speak to you reason to me is studying is reading scripture and The stories and the commands in there And then seeing those played out in real life and realizing that what we are commanded to do in scripture Makes sense and is mirrored in the experience of the day. That was a long explanation Can I can I try to yes summer? It's sorry So reasoning is reading something in the Bible Looking at real life or something that applies and then going back to the Bible and being like yep That thing that I saw that applied to the Bible is this thing that I read in the Bible reason is seen what the Bible says to do or not to do and Verifying that in real life And that is a method to get to 99% certainty about something I wouldn't say that's like the only is it 99% reliable that method No, what's getting you to 99% What is the method that you're doing that's making you 99% confident that a God exists So you're trying to get the one man. I can name you the chief method has been reasoned But there's also the I Would definitely say the reason kind of thing those talk the show in there are the chief Things that have gotten me there or any of those methods were 99% reliable not anyone Is your confidence right now justified? I feel so yes, I understand you can feel so much. Is it I can feel like a lot of things But like is it like can I give you an example? Yeah, I have a quarter flip it catch it I don't know if it's heads or tails. Do you know if it's heads or tails? I can feel do you know you know What's heads or tails? No, okay neither do I I think that's the best answer But I could be a hundred percent confident that it's heads But is that confidence justified? I could feel that way, but is it yeah, is it if I said I mean no I don't think it is I think the best I can ask science flip a thousand coins. They say we flip the thousand five hundred five hundred It's fifty-fifty. I'm like I still don't know that's inconclusive. I Don't know might be the best answer for at least right now I'm fifty-fifty percent until I have better evidence to come to that conclusion Do you have a method that's 99% reliable that justifies that confidence? No, I don't think so That's fair. I think that's a good recognition on its own. I won't even push further than that Yeah, and I do think that there is an element and I will acknowledge this where Someone could say that it is what's the word I'm being illogical But that's where I think Faith comes in so you ask you have to have faith to believe in God I say yes because there's something out Is there any question more important to you than whether or not a God exists? No Why take an illogical approach to it? I would say it's not why status Why why compromise for anything other than the highest? That's great. I understand Sorry for interrupting. No, no, no the Illogic part I would say is the fact that I cannot physically Lay eyes on God see taste hear smell test test like I can't physically I Can't a hundred. You know, I can't say hey, there's God right there. Yeah, can you reason? I think you can reason to a certain you I think you can reason to even that's Reason can only get you so far. How far does it get you? I would say a safe assumption. I Think reason can get you safely to a belief in some sort of divine That's about where I'm at right now. I would say further study personal experience and Faith gets you to a specific. Can I tell you something? Yes If I read a news if I were to rather read if I read it's who hard to say this if I read a if I If I looked at a weather report That said there was a 20% chance rain for today, right? And then I read another weather report that said 20% chance Does that mean there's a 40% chance rain today? No, it's just two reports saying this. How does combining methods that aren't a hundred percent reliable Add to a more reliable Conclusion, you know, so what I'm saying here like you're taking faith that we agree Reason that gets you to 50% is Faith If faith was also 50% or if faith is like 60% like how does adding these things add to a more cumulative amount? How are you accumulating different methods that aren't reliable to come to a more reliable 99% confident? So what I would say is that Take it to take this as you will that that the rest of where that takes you is is faith And maybe I would go back to my 90% Because I'd you're at 99. I was I'll I was talking. Yeah so my firm belief there is a God hasn't changed just Thinking about are you reaching in a reasonable way or not or reliable and what I would say is that? To have faith there also has to be down You can't You can't have faith and abscess of doubt and faith is still sure of what your hope for certain what you can't see That's I think is a good definition for for me in my life flip that coin got in the back of my hand Can I have faith that it's tails? You can have faith that that faith might might be broken when you open your hand Okay, but I could have faith that it's tails right now. Yeah, right? Could I be wrong? Yes, could I have faith at its heads? Yes, could I be wrong? Yes, how does that change the odds in any way? How does it doesn't? So you were you're saying like I'm generally at 50% but with faith I'm at 90% so a reason can get you so reason can get you I believe To a belief and a supreme being supreme some sort of supreme entity Is that a reliable way to reach a conclusion? I don't know. I think that's a good answer. I Can talk to me I can talk to myself So the things I see in the world in my studies and stuff have gotten me to that You know to that belief that there is supreme being and then faith and other studies have gotten me to the Christian God And can faith be wrong? Yes There's there's always is it possible to study something and reach a conclusion. That's not accurate. Yes Can you be raised in a faith? That's not true. Yes So there's what's always 90% confident Again that so we're that's that Unknown I can't really Just quantify it The nebulous what you might call the illogical personal experience What I have experienced through my studies of scripture. Yeah through my worship through my time Going through life and praying and following That I was and then I can't quantify it. I can't I can't describe it Could I have a personal experience that leads me to a wrong conclusion? Yes, and and I could be wrong There's why they're there. I can't be 100% Because would you want a more reliable way to reach your conclusion than the conversation that we're talking about right now at least Depends what you're talking about. I'm not offering anything. Yeah, it's just generally asking like Think about it like this if you are 90% sure but there was a reliable way to reach your God But you're already at this. I'm just sure don't don't I'm just sure are you really open to like finding that out Yes, okay, only by like by 10% You see like I've talked to people who are like absolutely sure in Pringles are better than pretzels, right? But like they don't really have Like I'm so sure that I'm only open this much But like if they had a more reliable way to reach a conclusion I would want to be as open as possible like to to knowing if it's true or not But I don't I think But 90% confident, but we're using methods that aren't 90% reliable. I don't know. It's something to think about dude. Yeah It could be I I'm drew If you want to come back and talk to me or if you want to take a card and message me about this I'm open to this kind of conversation all the time. Yeah, but maybe we maybe I know we're going over time But I like to let people think about stuff like this. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, think about it and come back to me Okay, do you have a method that's 90% reliable or if not where where does your Confidence to the amount of evidence you have actually really do why not and if it's even more I want to know about it, but if it's less, maybe that's an intellectually honest position to be and maybe it is and This let's check her. Yeah, that's me and Dr. Wells, and I'm not even saying that That there is I that there is a hundred percent reliable way. Whoa, that's a weird wallet That is a weird wallet. That's for something to think I'll see your wallet That's so that's like so this type of wall is popular in Texas. Oh really? This is my outfit at Texas A&M. I was in the core cadets at Texas A&M killer K2. Okay. What's this called? It's not a trifold bifold It's a bifold. I'm not quite sure the type like what that it's not your typical just bifold Yeah, this it's popular in Texas. Oh, so I can Describe nice. I like it because it stays thin now the downside is when I do go into like cities I have a smaller wall that I'll have yeah, but I like the fact that this it's not this thick Yeah, and pants like this are great because it just flies in Nice man. Did you enjoy the chat? I did cool. I I do enjoy thinking through my reasoning of things And why how I get there and I can't imagine any more important Thing to do for the beliefs that I really do care about the most. Mm-hmm. That's it. I appreciate it, man See you enjoyed it. Yo, where did you get that? Oh my gosh, oh no, it's veggie. I don't want it anymore. Yeah