 Welcome back to the breakfast on plus severe of record time for us to check on the front pages of a national dailies as usual We'll have a guest join us and help us understand Some of the headlines we do have it stand by is equal. Yeah, I took I set up with the leadership newspaper this morning Finding out what's making it what made it to the front page of the leadership newspaper You have the board caption saying Insiders explain how security agents get black market court orders. That's on page four Insiders explain how security agents get black market court orders Boldly written on the leadership newspaper. You have a rider magistrate customary court workers says serve as Remittant the George's boys make our operation easy and that's that's a lot that's a lot right there Well moving away from the boat caption. You also have northern elders give condition for prescribing bandits It's also another interesting caption details available on page four of the leadership newspaper 40 peasants killed in Niger repress of the tarts. It's on page six and You have an umbrella poll, please deploys 63 more poll units. It's on page 27 none Despite the fact that there's been that call to de-militarize the The state and the zone so that people can actually come out, you know to vote You also have debt toll in Lagos building collapse rises to 29 and that's on page 18 of the leadership newspaper Sighting intelligence army blocks a booger and keffie road again gunman attack union booger Secondary school abduct vice principal a very sad incident You also have another caption saying I see PC DSS arrest 48 lecturers others over exam malpractice Now this Another headline you find on page four of the leadership newspaper. That's the much we can take on the leadership newspaper this morning Right to the daily independence newspapers big one there 2023 general elections says finally PDP governors agreed to throw presidential ticket open Nigeria's problem not zoning, but get incredible candidates as Interi Also collapse building. I have lost two children in three months says a victim's mother Plateau assembly crisis IGP orders posting of new police commissioner Unia Booger lecturer escapes death as gunman attack campus again And also jam remits 3.51 billion Naira operating stop loss into a federation account telcos lose 20 billion Naira revenue in one year Still on the daily independent fec ok is 47 billion Naira for contracts in aviation works ministries and customs and and also On the daily independent urubo demands one trillion now reparation from federal government for oil exploration An umbrella gubernatorial polls us threatens visa ban against violence mongers All right, let's move away from the daily independent and check out the daily trust use we for this morning the board caption reads NNPC spends 864 billion Naira on patrol subsidy in eight months Remit 496 billion skips April fix repart refineries to get it right That's what experts quoted to say now. This are the writers you find underneath that board caption. You also have an umbrella poll US threatens election rigors and troublemakers with visa ban That's also on page 22 of the daily trust news we for this money and there's also a breakdown of How funds have been remitted total amount remitted to the Federation account you have 496 point eight billion Naira which represent 36% and you also find that in January you it was the funds remitted 90.86 billion Naira and in February you had 64 point one six one billion Naira and in March We had forty one point one eight billion Naira and our time would actually not permit us But that's also, you know on the front page of the daily trust newspaper this morning moving away from that You also find equal you building collapse debt toll rises to 22 DmO to issue 250 billion Naira Sukho for road projects Robbers invade Quara community and rape minors That's another sad headline you find this morning on the daily trust newspaper and the planned demolition of Islamic city pack Controversy or SPACs controversy in Lagos. That's on page for it's okay to pick up a copy of the daily trust this morning I hope you get all of the information and now to the punch newspapers equal you building death toll rises as Lagos probes collapse order and pastor missing Building project sponsors were about unknown some will names survivors It says a 15-story building plan approved not 21 stated by deputy governor Document shows also unambra decides every security deployment not to intimidate voters says the IG the US threatens visa ban and others on Paul violence sponsors Army roadblocks return terrorists and kidnappers lay siege to the FCT and Also on the punch council battle over final for feature of eight hundred and ninety nine thousand dollars found in Abuja apartment NBA partitions commission and panel over Malami magistrates rose in Odili's home raid and Pencom begins clamped down on the fort and employers are points recovery agents a few others on the punch this morning Subsidy payment costs eight hundred and sixty four point zero seven billion naira in nine months as an NNPC report and Unia Buja invaders demand three hundred million naira for abducted professors and family members Robbers failed to find money in Quora community machete residents rape minors Army can't fight terrorists and others with 579 billion Naira chief of army staff tells Senate and I think we can stop there. Mr. Isaac. Yeah, it's a good morning once again. Thanks for joining us Good morning. It's always a pleasure to be with you. Great to have you. All right, let's get you in I think we can as always start with the situation here in Lagos The legacy government, of course Governor rather was there yesterday. It's named a committee to look into the incident and You know find out exactly who should be held responsible for that very very sad disaster Yeah, the very first thing. I think we should I An architect by the grace of God and That issue is in something that is rocket science Whether you said of the committee for 30 days or two weeks or one week One thing is setting number one. I don't need 24 hours to know this Was an approval yes or no For what number of flaws very simple straightforward With a stage Approvals that's what you need to have you can get that within 24 hours with a stage approvals When because in construction you have stayed apart from the blanket approval when it comes to construction You have stage approvals where you have was it a soil test? Did the soil test agree with the structural design that was submitted the structural design that was submitted if you look where Is it was it what was built you can get all that within 24 hours even on the site? If that is correct now who gave the the approval for the first stage Let's see it must be documented the first floor who before you proceed to the next floor You must have an approval that what you've done so far is good and continue Now at what points how many stages do you have for the approvals that have been given up to the 15th floor? Where's the approval 16th floor so this controversy of approval was given for 15th floors They did 21 floors now when you point to do a floor to the best of my knowledge And I think that I have good knowledge in this area. It's not something you do overnight Okay, even when you do a prefab structure that you can put it up overnight that was not the system deployed So let's not get into this argument of oh, you can't get this is no no no no no We saw the program I understand very well this frame structure that was used Okay, so and there was a time that there was a hold up for about three or four months What was the reason who authorized them to go back to site at what point did they go? These are not things, you know, they are setting technical details Okay, that you may need to look into but I'm telling you that 24 hours of just about five people sitting down They will tell you is the ministry bring the files to me Show me the stage approvals. That's all number one and who was the person and then you can now go into what you Called integrity test for the materials. It's easy. You see what they are doing now of the excavations that We we we we we don't think Strategically in things because within two hours of This event taking place Somebody should have been there at the site to look at the different floors and Because you could see them in layers like that Pick the materials in layers because once you temper with the evidence it becomes difficult For you to know the material mix for each of the floors Then you be able to have a general but you need also the specifics All these things are things that you can do within 48 hours and Then the rest can be prepared for Presecution in court and the technical details and everything but I think that we we we don't really professionalism seriously and this matter Unfortunately will continue to be the case unless we change our strategic approach to how we take governance and how we do things I Could spend the next two hours on this topic I wouldn't be enough for me because I think there are certain things we need to interrogate The number of lives that are lost the question is aside from approval process When you go into monitoring How many people do you have in a city like Lagos where systems? No buildings are coming up. No per second per second If you do not have the manpower, do you have the capacity to network and outsource? They are professional bodies Can we have professional indemnity where you have a partnership with the professional bodies such that? every single construction site has an oversight that is Effective you tell me in the whole of it. You'll say you have maybe one person in charge and then walking We have four people working on that. Those are not even enough for one serious construction site Oh, and this is that going on over and then when it gets bad and then you see this the whole system is Complicated, I think maybe because of it will talk more as we proceed But I feel very bad and I think the time has come when our governance must look at ways that things should be done in The area of construction. You don't need to reinvent the wheel These are things going on in other places. All right miss. I am talking when you say let me just give this little one When you say that go to any typical construction site see how they are mixing concrete You discover that there are these people that are just carrying sand carrying cement and the job meets and then turn over and go No You take it even when that man is honest and says in a bag of cement Maybe we're using maybe two say four six or whatever they fix the question. Is that bag of cement? Is it full bag of cement or it's a rebug? Rebag is something we all know about And if it's a rebug it means that what should have been 50 kg is actually maybe 45 if not 42 I think we would have I hope that we can bring you in so we can because the angle you're talking you spoke about it Initially is very important and that is you know with regards the approval for different flaws And you know what what the challenge really could be in a situation like this And so I would like that we have an extended conversation about you know this particular Issue hopefully maybe today or tomorrow, but we'll get to you and let you know we'd like to bring you in on this But let's let's move away from it and talk about the enombra of elections It says the US threatens and that's on daily independent US threatens visa ban against violence mongers Has this really ever been enough? you know deterrent against Election violence in Nigeria You see ordinarily it would be but you see I Hope the US is not getting beaten by the Nigeria but when it comes to speaking and doing you know We tend to think oh, it's just Threatening you know it's like going through the motions and I say this with every sense of responsibility Because on several occasions we've heard the American government, you know, you know back hard and yet we see it's almost like the Nigerian system where the bite is Hardly ever there Maybe they have certain constraints and if they have such constraints, they should let Nigerians know So that when they back we take them serious Nigerians are actually very very concerned about Visa ban going to US is very very important to Nigerians So it is one tool that we think would be very very effective But the question is why has it not been deployed all these days all these years all these times When they talk about if there's election violence, we are going to do this We are going to do that and those things are done and they set up a report and they said if there was a Lens there was this maybe they do not have the capacity to try and say anything about Yes, can you hear me? Yes, go ahead. Can you hear me? It seems my network is okay If they have the capacity they should back and they should bite luckily for us It is their country. So if they take any action against anybody is their own right to so do so I think that they should go out of their way Whatever intelligence they need to have they should do and really hit hard one two three people, you know Get that evidence and then I think it's an effective tool The reasons why a person should not commit electoral crimes in Nigeria Should really not be because you can't get into the US It should be because of the punitive measures in Nigeria by the Nigerian government by the Nigerian justice system Not because of the US You know, I'm a Nigerian. I love Nigeria, but I tell you we have challenges That's why I tell everybody come into government. All the folks that call ourselves cerebral We call ourselves pure. We call ourselves all sorts of holy names Come in and solve the problem brother If my country is not willing to do it and another country is willing to give me a little support I will go for that country while still hoping that in our own country because what you've said is so correct Why would we wait for America to threaten that's because the Nigerian law in one of the papers I hope you get to that paper. They tell you on how they procure, you know black market judgments and Unfortunately, you and I know that that smoke Nareel smoke say fire day somewhere. It's sad But you see running these commentaries will not be enough. We need to go step two as to how do we arrest? Nobody's afraid of the law. Just have money You understand me sadly somebody on your station was talking about Naira Mali on your station And I was listening to that young guy, you know, I can't remember the program now He was saying why is he there for so long? This would they know what they normally do this lawyer is not good And I was so infuriated Because we're talking like a joke, you know how they do this thing and you get better lawyer This is Nigeria. They know how they settled this matter. What was he saying? Look for the rights judge that's now has his price give it to him They'll release the boy and the boy will be on the street again Why would you make such a reckless irresponsible statement even as a joke? We need to know where to draw lines on jokes because this is not a joke It's a reality we face before goodness said when will we look this reality in the eye and say it is not okay? Okay, let's get to the leadership newspaper then that particular people that talks about How security agents get black market court orders. I like to show you thoughts on that My thoughts are number one. It is to the best of my knowledge factual One of my friends actually said something and he's late now He says you don't need the man the lawyer that knows the law You need the lawyer that knows the way You don't need the lawyer that knows the law you need the lawyer that knows the way Because go and talk all the law. Do you know that? Within the the benches or be within the judges They know who is who There's a man that your case is sent to his court and you're like no, I don't die passing by remember There's a lawyer that or a judge that your case goes on like oh boy way We are go get money. Oh, so your concern is not the gravity of your offense But the depth of your pocket because once your price is good, Bruce you are going This are the reality that we face and the common man just Has to find a way of getting back because he knows that justice is not for him is for who can afford I Was so one of the things I was I didn't support our president president But you know every coin has its sides the moment you won the election One of the things I decided to look on the bright side was like well Well, well all said even if he does not have the capacity to move certain aspects of the economy and the situation We are in now. He is definitely going to have the capacity to sit on the fact that he will not take nonsense That does not take too much of it. That is person I really started encouraging myself along that line and within a few weeks Things that is to shape up and then we now had the issue of body language body language body language, but you know You you you you kind of see a dog a bulldog, you know, and you are afraid of that dog There's some way along the line you start to see guys We just standing in one place for too long and they try to test with a little stuff I discovered that it's not working you to a time comes when you go to that bulldog that you and actually rub that dog And nothing happens so that is no longer that thing that you fear so much because it's something that you toy with So I think that for where we are now we really need a leader who is concerned and willing to risk his life That's what leadership is you are paid to lay down your life. That's why that's why you're handsomely rewarded That's why the office is filled with so much pecs and paraphernalia and power and everything Because they say a man who is laying down his life needs to be at least appreciated But you get in there and you think that that office is for you to enjoy We will not spend billions of taxpayers money to elect you for for it to be a present to you to be a gift We're electing you to lay down your life. And I think that in my time that leader will come I can say that for a fact. All right, and now to Abuja where it's reported on the daily on the Pontius born It says army Roadblocks return as terrorists and kidnappers lay siege to the FCT I'm sure you must have followed the story of the University of Abuja lecturers That were kidnapped It's on one of the papers this morning that is a 300 million era around some demand I believe I also saw that some, you know, somebody may have been released So let's have your view on that one. It seems like the FCT is a new is a new, you know hot spot You see It's no rocket science for you to know that Secretly is the breathing place for evil When you know that you will not be seen you can do anything Either you will not be seen or if you are seen nothing happens. These two things They are those that encourage you to do anything to be very present But when you know that you will be seen and when you are seen you going for it for instance any shop That the right beware of cameras Just the fact that you don't know who is looking do you understand me you behave yourself and today in the world of today The military the security Operatives are believing that roadblock is the answer How do you expect a man that carries weapon that carry stuff? Sees a long queue. He's waiting until you get to him and then you check him and catch him Let's say that is just so daft Pardon my language But when you employ drones surveillance Intel where you don't know who is who Likelihood is that you will be deterred My brother is just common sense. He can You go and block the road and see the hold up All the honest people that we're going to do their businesses and please at the end of the day Tell me one person they cut outside of seeing somewhere that the car is located and you intimidate the person and collect the money Yeah, but I think I think the Biggest, you know part of the conversation is you know the fact that the FCT seems to be the new hotspot for kidnappers You know, it's it's no longer, you know the you know a safe space. I Said it before you test the waters and discover that the bulldog is toothless So you go where the value is higher The value is not higher in kefi or in tamadama to the highest value Where the kefi kefi is highest is in the FCT and these guys have tested the waters and discovered that the bulldog has no teeth The time has come when Our leaders in government need to just call a few sharp brains What does it take for you to fly drones? Cover every part of Abuja with drones is it I'm praying that God makes me the governor of a private home state I think people will understand what security means for next to nothing the army has come to say that 400 and something billion is grossly inadequate for them I want to ask what is the cost of a super drone that has a baby a kilometer site range And this thing you buy one thousand of them a power IT boys have a network that is not announced It's not known and these things are just flying. We don't know where it's coming from. They are just flying and then Luckily, God will help us on one day as they are flying They're able to spot a particular operation and they run that operation live as the people are running the drone is following Zooming in on them. It's on the social media. Everybody's All of a sudden these people who say oh boy Nigeria, they don't change the method of make we leave these people alone My brother what is so what is so high? What is so elevated about what I've just said nothing Absolutely nothing, but how much is the cost of a drone? That is not good enough We're contracts come in is Nigeria's field of play in governance The one way there is contract the one way there's money the one way there is that is so their own Mindset is not about solving the problems is more about how can we milk the situation? Yeah, what I've just said what is so difficult to saturate? Abuja with drones I think the challenge because I know Messi wants to jump in here, but I think the challenge is you know If you feel the whole of Abuja with drones, what are you gonna do in been in? What are you gonna do in Benway? What are you going to do in in different other cities across the country? Drone's can't be the answer And also, you know filter mentioned that even those who would be you know operating this drone I mean we also have the issue of welfare. We also have the fact that What you know knowledge do they have about you know operating some of the devices because if you Know No, I'm just saying that yes, it's a brilliant idea, but on the other hand it goes beyond just having drones I mean, let's also look at one of the reasons why you constantly have you know, police officers Taking monies and the welfare of the people and the world taking care of that's also another issue We should be looking at to boost the morale of these persons who have to be out there You know, I said something about mr. President being well paid because he's laying down his life He's supposed to lay down his life for the people That argument applies to the army to the police to the forces We have the money Relatively, but these monies are not getting into where they should they are not getting into Your pressure they are getting to the bosses the heads of these agencies to the best of my knowledge I saw stupendously rich because when you look at each budget and you look at the deployment of the budget How do they go? You see, let me say this I Had on my 58th birthday on on on November 1 on Monday I had education colloquium and one of the things that came out from from from one of the guests was that his mother is Polish and In the in the Polish education system You are expected to learn one language in primary school Just like you learn French or this or that you are expected to learn one of the computer languages So by the time they get into secondary school They are so good on this Java and the rest programming that the secondary school children are doing work and Any more money than even their parents? What do I mean if we move into the new reality the fourth? What they call it? Industrial revolution will discover that the way of the future is education is I city is knowledge So that all you need to do is have an online Network of your agents that nobody knows and little children are manning your drones and setting them up and getting this This is the way of the future ten years down the line We will revisit what I've just said today and we'll discover that that is the answer There is no other answer There is a solution and that is a solution if it takes us ten years to come to what I've just said So be it but this can start from this administration now Revisit our educational curriculum go into I city and let's Info Intel and I city run our systems first is the most effective globally. All right So for the want of time let's quickly see if we can share your thoughts on this nmpc says they spend 864 billion naira on petrol subsidy in eight months And of course the federal government is saying comp 2022 we will sustain for about six months And then there will be deregulation of the downstream sector. Let's quickly share your thoughts on that My thoughts have been consistent over the years right from the days of pbp One of the biggest frauds in this country against the poor is subsidy One of the biggest frauds against the poor in this country is subsidy. You are not subsidizing the poor You are taking the money of the poor and giving to the rich. Do you know what eight hundred billion means in eight months? That is a hundred billion per month. Do you know what a hundred billion can do for the poor? I'm doing an estate. Give me one billion and I'll tell you how many pull out employ We're talking a hundred billion per month That means you're talking of over three billion per state per month three billion per month You carry three billion and bring to a quibble and you give it to me to empower the young people Carry the price of petrol and put at any amount These people will generate the income to be able to pay and sustain But you are carrying this money. I sit here with all your respect. I have nothing less than three four five SUVs the amount of petrol I consume in a week is More than what my whole village consumes in a month and you are telling me you are subsidizing my problem in the village You are not you are subsidizing yet. Oh and his is his is class of people that own fleets of Vehicles Corporate companies that have thousands of vehicles. You are subsidizing them You are doing fraud of what we don't know who is bringing in what is bringing in Amount we are consuming give me a billion per month and a quibble people will pay 200 300 400 Naira per liter because they have businesses that generate much more than that go to MSM is Supply that money in that empower the people and they will live the life You are not empowering them. You are empowering the poor you are doing corruption and they are using the name of the Why have the the the APC government not be able to stop it because they know that this is a field of play for the big boys in My opinion, I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong, but they know what the fact is now when you're about to leave office That way you are going to know think about it. The other people coming like you finish chopping don't clean mouth finish Now you won't come stop us from chopping stop starting now. Tell us let's have a conversation What is actually the landed price number two? What is the real consumption number three? What is the effect on subsidy if we're to do rail in in Nigeria now? What will the cost go like? How does the poor man really benefit a man who uses four liters for his small generator for one week? And you tell me that is what you have subsidized him with Please let's be honest with ourselves. We're not we are using the poor and we are ripping them off and we're All right, I talk Thank you very much for your time this morning as always those is very interesting speaking with you. We wish you a very beautiful day ahead Thank you Okay, so we probably step on the brakes now when we return We'll definitely come through with what happened today in history where Barack Obama was elected first Black American president. Please stick around