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I'm here to learn This is not these are not the views of the lit one mirror for educational purposes She would get 30% of you would get I think this is by taboo. Yeah, I would get She would get 70 but she has to provide her own accommodation she would have to pay for her own photography and I'm simply just passing on the booking and for that 30% if there was actually more involved For example if I was providing gold accommodation jump up 50% So, how did you get into so basically they be having them in 360 deals that's crazy running an escort agency well the story starts I had arranged two or three bookings from my friends with a existing London escort agency became quite friendly with the operator and You know just as a joke he said well actually the three bookings you arrange you could have earned excellent money in Commission and that got me thinking Got me thinking is how hard could this be? You know If I have already the business and the marketing skills, I could actually do it better than him And better than a lot of the competition either So what was the first steps to setting up the agency? He a pimp with a degree a Pimp with GCEs GSEs or whatever y'all call him needing some basic web design skills Some search engine optimization and back then so I started in 2008 Algorithms for Google are very different. We're talking a lot of bad things You know a lot of links from review websites advertising websites, but then the biggest challenge is how do you find girls? And how did you find the girls good question? The girls registered on London agencies are across multiple agencies They're not really gonna take off anyone you So let's look at some independence, you know, can I do something that's them? Are they getting enough work? You know at the end of the day if I provide the work, they will come and join Word will spread they will tell their friends their friends will join and therefore the business will grow the agency will grow so he came in the pimpin as a whole Business is business exact. It's tough and his eyes is crooked But who's the first girl you hired and how did that happen? I was testing the waters and put a few advertisements out there and received a call from girls from Israel Said she was coming to London picked her up from the airport and Then yeah, she was actually my first as a girl So randomly you put an ad up and the lady from Israel said she's up for working for you It really surprised me, but just seemed that I had an accident. I just knew where to target where to find potential escorts and where to find potential customers and like just for me like looking like Not looking like a sleaze ball also helps out, right? You know man, especially in this word. You got to remember where I'm from West side of Chicago is full of pimps So Southside to Northside all the Chicago's it's a it's a full of pimps so and With her being your first client So what would be the split line cameras would you charge and how often would she have to work? Third time up first client. Okay sense for work as and when she wanted She would get 30% or you would get that I would get that she would get 70 But she has to provide a loan accommodation she would have to pay for her own photography and I'm simply just passing on the booking and for that 30% There was actually more involved for example, I was providing gold accommodation jump up 50% So the big times where you would take people on and the split would just adjust accordingly based on what you offer them Yeah, so 50% of them providing gold accommodation and this is usually in the case of someone working part-time Because they would use one place to live in one place to work our most escorts here actually work and live from their apartment Had they feel I guess Giving you 30 and 50% if they're selling their body and doing the work Well as I mentioned How I recruited initially or my idea to recruit initially was target independence now independence will be cleave in a hundred percent But then why would they work for me because I could find in the punter where they couldn't they didn't have that set of skills To get the fun to call in the first place and that's why they've been the commission Crazy the way. He's just framing it as like he's a broker He's a he's a middleman for this and then I guess Had it's noble had the agency start to grow and how did you start getting more and more girls at the time? I went to partnership with actually the first escorts agency that we used Between me and some friends of mine What we did is any ladies that I had recruited with an advertising his website and the ladies on his website Advertising wine and the agency just grew, you know, organically from approximately Five ladies in the first all the way to 20 in a second I'm shaking my head like this because he's like he's applying a lot of business models into Into this right now, even though it's like not legal like it's a Like if you really like take a step back from your emotions and and and your And your morals and let's look like and listen like he's business savvy out here The girl now keep in mind. I do not condone it for that quick and fast. Yeah No, don't mind 2008. There was a lot less competition and so how much would you make off one girl? You could say typically it would be four or five walking's week so 300 pounds a week off of one girl. Oh fun. Yeah Yeah, five. He said in the beginning five times five a series What's five times 30? I mean wait scratch that Start over What's five times 300 1500 a week what's 1500 times four six thousand Six thousand a month That's tough. Hey Siri What's six thousand times 12? Not saying that I can don't it Siri. I'm just asking And this was in month two Did you ever have a kickback from the girls saying I guess I no longer want to do this and they had to continue to do this The main kickback you'll get is if you don't provide the work If you don't provide them with adequate bookings, they would easily just pick up the phone and say listen Remove my pictures of this site. That's it our relationship is over Sometimes that will be the case. Sometimes they'll give you a reason for it. Sometimes they won't I mean at the end of the day Is that property of your all you can do is you can Do your absolute best because I know they if I'm making money and she's making money if she's making money I am making money Otherwise if the bookings come to a standstill. Yeah, the relationship is not working I'm at the peak of your agency. How many girls did you have working for you? Just under 30 just under 30 or 13 Just under 30 just under 30 afterwards it became more of a quantity no, sorry quality of a quantity and When you had 30 girls working for you how much as you're making a week then good question at my peak in terms of profit About 17 to 18,000 times a month in profit a month Hey, Siri What's 18,000 times 12? 216,000 and that is my after deducting all the costs How would you feel morally about it? I guess selling over people's bodies and you're making 18 grand a month on the back of that How would you had do you feel any way? about that You can ask how I thought at the time at the time of self to be honest if I'm making 5,000 pounds of the lady. She's earning 10 So that was a much more justification at the time if you ask You know with a little bit more maturity and understanding. How do I feel? Yeah They should be keeping all of it. They should be Adequate tools out there for them to be able to work safely without the need of a middleman And what's the difference between you running an agency and a pimp? Hey Hey It the question just ran past my head again talking about middleman like bro You out here peppered I Get it. You don't want to be called that. It's a it's a it's a taboo to be called that but that's what you do To my understanding And from the research I did you know a thing provides accommodation food Drugs and security That is not your any earnings involved the earnings go all to You know, we don't get involved in a life like that. We pass on the looking and then we don't See you're here from them They take a break We don't we don't have any contact Sometimes the book might become friends. They just be a work in relationship. What's their type? So that's why I like to distinguish an escort agency over a classic and I'm not saying That there aren't any Evil escort agencies Of course there is But it's just not the way I'll eat You know what I just heard? He's a hybrid He's a hybrid pimp That's all and then going back to your story Obviously, I know you wish to remain anonymous Obviously as I was reading a story I was reading harrowing things about the story itself like girls were forced into working They wanted to return home. They couldn't What's your side of events there? The press is the press, you know, the press need to make a Story as compelling as possible You know, I could just easily do the same as one camera But I Believe I'm choosing to be honest However, there's been more evidence that the press isn't as honest as they could be I Think the face of media is changing and I I think people got to get to see another perspective Whereas before there would have seen something in the mainstream and that's it, you know, they would have had to believe that And what was the youngest girl you had working for you 19 years old? How'd you feel about that? Yeah, she was a university student initially I Wasn't on board After some distance from the higher side You know, I gave her a go to last long but she was nowhere near mature enough. I find That anyone under the age of 30 is very very difficult For a lady to do his job, you know, there's certain mental or maturity that is developed through life experience and Unless that came out you really young age. I Believe most ladies working their scores are 30 plus Yeah, under 30. I mean over 30 And I guess did you have any Well, what would be the situation if I guess the client had some altercation with One your girls what would happen there? So I had security. It was a rare occurrence. This is part of my job That's a fact like He has security. He had he was a hybrid Pell It's like a 2000 new age type and the client is initially why I'm being paid the commission I Will take measures for that and in the rare cases that something does happen or there is a booking late at night We'll buy requests of the lady. I could send someone to her apartment Wherever just after the incident takes place or even just to wait behind the scenes You know, just as a safety precaution You know, I think that gave them a piece of mind client never knew that there was someone else there and I guess had your world come crumbling down Oh, you got caught the problem is Running an escort agency is legal Working as an escort is legal Controlling prostitution is illegal Is it very is a legal gray area where all of a sudden if I'm no longer an escort agency But I'm actually facilitating Prostitution which essentially that's what an escort agency does But it just takes You know one complaint to say that you know what I'm not an escort. I am prostitute and ABC is facilitating my work and that's enough for the authorities to investigate and I guess when they did it they investigate So you telling me one of the girls that was That was involved in which what you had going on Told somebody that you that they was a pro instead of so the word pro and escort Got you in trouble the differentiation the difference the difference between those two words got you in trouble How was your court should I say was there a case of a girl went to the police? Client went to the police those just had surveillance on you. So how did I actually find that you was doing what you was doing? Two ladies went to the police We had a range of nationalities working on the website I Also found that It's very rare for The authorities to do anything if the ladies are from the European Union at the time because a legal right to Live and work You know in the UK That's messed up. So they was they was potentially targeting certain women that were that were apart or weren't For The authorities to do anything if the ladies are from the European Union at the time because a legal right to Live and work You know in the UK It's when they are from outside the EU when the authorities look okay if someone's staying in the country illegally they're not paying the tax You know if there is there any coercion control Oh, okay. So if you're from outside of the European Union That's when they're looking at you harder with taxes and so so if it's not benefiting the government They come away there, you know a bigger picture behind it in my case. There was a bigger picture past the escort agency Something that I wasn't directly involved in but I was naive and maybe ignorant to that fact At the end of the day if two ladies go to the police, you know, that means They're obviously not making it up because I'll be one Is the authorities told to investigate at that point and that's the beginning of You could say the end of the end of My career in this so why did the girls go to the police? I think they were seduced with an idea And the idea of being receiving legal status to remain in the UK I genuinely believe the authorities Just needed to tick some boxes that they're doing something every once in a while and They approached Some of the ladies or my agency is and Also the competition We will promise that Look, we know what's going on If you cooperate, you know, we would actually legitimate your legitimize your visa because they were staying in fact illegally I Believe this was the main motivation They'll do it for going to the police But what was their justification so I guess they couldn't say that to the police so what will they say to the police? Did they relay the story accurately? I'm not saying that they lied and they didn't lie but it's just perhaps They wouldn't have not Disclose that information if they hadn't been promised an incentive They kill me with this. He's really killing me with the mass Like I'm like his eyes are telling Giving me a range of emotions. I can I can tell what his face is doing with this You know, they were quite happily happy to make Hexmark money every month question. Why did you recruit women from abroad opposed to having girls work for your agency from England? We have an agency we Once the agency is established, we don't go out there actively recruited They contact us Is as simple as that he's this explanation and give you is there are fewer British Ladies working as escorts in London, but also they might be more capable of working independently They might have the adequate skills required to you know Speak to their customers and vet them market themselves promote themselves You know answer the telephone use Instagram use Twitter Of course and also They might feel more Safe and secure, you know taking that risk Personally rather than in trusting someone else Yeah The there's a there's a long list. What would you say one that you probably won't forget? I did have a regular who enjoyed being beaten up by women hostile sides He was almost seven foot tall They don't wait He'd like 130 kilograms Hey Siri What's 130 kilograms in pounds? 300 pounds almost at seven feet that's kind of skinny for some footer But yeah, he's he's you enjoy his half his half a way 150 and You'd often stay until three four a.m. And Had straight to work First thing of the morning Who was your best girl or profit-wise and why do you think that would have been my best lady was Her stage name was calm the reason why she was so popular is she had incredible incredible acting skills and This was one person where You know the punter genuinely felt that they had a connection with her No, she wasn't necessarily She was out there turning tricks. That's crazy She was actually getting people to follow the You know lady out there telling them what they wanted to hear She didn't necessarily provide the broadest range of services But she could connect with the punter and that's honestly the most important thing It's just the way how you make the punter feel The punter a lot of people assume That the punter is going in there to play for sex More often than not he's going there just to have someone to talk to And if he doesn't have that connection with the lady Yes, he might visit her once but he will not visit her repeatedly. Well, and I will see a psychiatrist And that's essentially what makes someone a talker And then when the police got involved and you was I guess charged What was the conclusion did you end up in prison? I Went to prison for three years It was after a lengthy case in court It was really big at a time and Yeah, it was a massive massive experience Look him back you regret it, of course Of course, you look like he regret it I don't think unless you're defending your friends or family or your loved ones That's the only reason to go to prison The motivation of making money is not a reason to go to prison being violent controlling abuses They're not reasons for the only justification I have now in my life Is as far as defending a loved one and it was absolutely the last resort This is the only advice I can give to people That's crazy because if I'm gonna defend the love on my first my absolute first resort Is violence me personally because I'm also in the United States and I'm in Florida So it's way different in Florida than it is in Chicago like you have like all intensive rights to Defend anything about your space You know I'm saying like they got that stand your ground rule Now in Florida starting May June. I think July 1st. You don't have to have no training. I'm talking about this much Zero training no license and you can walk around with a concealed weapon It's it's real crazy. We'll get spooky out here. You gotta remember Florida is a red state. So Don't play with it Think what you're actually going to prison for You know not that you might end up in prison like you wouldn't even go to prison Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, you took we don't condone that type of behavior. I'm just saying allegedly You know I'm saying Yeah, plus like our rules aren't like that in the UK like you're not gonna go to jail it's self-defense period And that's it that should hopefully be enough to sway you from Any rash decisions however sometimes in life a red state, you know, you got Democrats and Republicans The more traditional I would say red states are Republican, right? I think it's Republican in there pro gun pro pro everything You have to experience something to learn that lesson that was the case of me pro Constitution And I guess when you was in prison, what was your life like then? Initially default as I imagine it would be for mostly However, the one thing about human humans is we always adapt to the situation we're in and This is why I believe Extending someone's sentence or just handing out longer sentences. It's not the way forward because eventually that person will adapt to the environment And it will become not easy but easier Is that the best way for someone to learn the lesson or to improve their life afterwards? Yeah, you're right. It's a Giving me a lengthy extended prison time. I That's always what that is though, man. You got a want to change to change. That's this is period I'm not too sure and touching back. I guess when you join in the agency again Was there ever times where girls were forced to work, how do you get your yard to look this good? Oh paint it my The main answer is no, but yeah, if you really think about it There were circumstances where they could have felt forced to work and that's the word and go use You know, it's not a case of it saying You know, you're working and a story. There's no arguments. It's more so That they feel obliged, you know, they feel slightly Guilty to not work For example, if they have a regular punter Who visits them every week and then one particular day, they're tired, you know, they might think if I don't work this job You know, he might not visit me again. You know, you might disappoint him That's one example of they could feel forced to work Another example is providing certain services, you know, they might think They'll never talk you have to do this But also they'll think If I don't do it Or my own less or might become less popular with a lucky he wording stuff in such a way to make him Not feel as bad as he really do Like he's already stated that like morally he feels bad He regrets it all but like you can tell the way he's wording it. He's trying to make himself Not sound as bad as it what it was agency will send less work my way recommend me less I Guess another reason why it might be Andrew Tate up under there You don't know who that is that question was in the articles which was regional about the case I came across One of them where they said their passports were taken. Thank you. Yeah, so This comment that there's no reason for an agency to take a passport Well, where this distinction is Is how the lady arrived into the UK in the first place, you know, who is responsible for that and If I'm running an agent, I get what he's saying, but damn, I still bought agency full-time I don't think I could take that on, you know, the skill set required for that is much greater Then running an escort agency That person so I guess when you they've been flown in Who's paying for that and Again, it will be the person that facility to arrive on to the UK, you know, and that wouldn't be one person. It'll be You know an agent abroad We're perhaps financial backer here and And so Say they work for you would they have to pay you back that flight fee before they bank anything No, and they would pay me my commission, but they perhaps would also pay You know the person That facilitate their island and they're asking too many questions that's hidden home man You got to get up out of there the UK I'll give you an example if Ladies turnover was 15,000 they paid four and a half As in purchasing commission They might then pay another four and a half You know to the person that Facilitated arrive on to UK Yeah, but it's not something it's like a label deal That's studio time ain't free that transportation wasn't free is what he's saying I'm not saying that that's what he's saying. I was directly involved in but again was ignorant and naive And perhaps just turned a blind eye thinking of my own Yeah, there's overheads in Do you know leave a like comment subscribe turn a post notification bell? This is a crazy one. I ain't nobody it was very educational informative and I've learned a lot YouTube because that's what I'm here for to educate myself Thank you