 Our next caller is Marie from Texas. Hey Marie, how can we help you? Hi, um, so I am currently running the PED program and I'm on the last phase. I'm in the second week and I'm just wondering where I should go from there to reach my goals. My overall goal, well I have, so I have two goals concerning my nutrition and fitness. My first goal, this is kind of weird, but I want to get to where I'm eating 3,000 calories a day, I know that's weird, but first of all I love food, second of all I know it'll also cause me to build muscle because I'll need the muscle to eat that. But I do, and then of course my second goal is to be, just like get back into my, I used to be super fit and not that I'm not anymore, but I want to get back to the strengths oriented fitness that I used to love. I do have a history of overtraining, so that's why I did PED because even that was a step down from what I was doing. Wow, wow. That's a pinnacle program. I have a feeling you're going to know how we're going to answer this, you're just not going to like how we're going to answer this. Yeah, I mean was there more? Yeah, I'm still kind of trying to work it down a little, even when I did PED I was doing way too much. I just, in the past two months, got to where I was doing the 3 days on one day off, which I still don't really do a day off, so I'm still trying. I want to say something right now since this is a perfect opportunity to talk about this. When we wrote PED, part of the hesitancy of us writing it was that it would attract someone just like you. And that was why it was one of the last programs. We knew that there are examples of people that can utilize that program that could scale to that volume and that it makes sense to do that. But then we also know that there's a large percentage of the population that overtrain and they're going to be drawn to something like this when we know better and we know that they should be doing something different. And so the program that comes to mind right away for me knowing that about you is I would push you in the MAPS anabolic direction. Totally. So for people who are listening right now, MAPS PED is a double split, high volume, high frequency routine, meaning you work out twice a day and you're hitting each body part several times a week. So it's a very advanced bodybuilder style program that for some people can be extremely effective, but it could also lead to overtraining more so than any of our other programs. Okay. Now because you tend to over train, that's an issue admittedly, and the fact that you said that PED with, and I know how much volumes in that program because I wrote it with the guys, the fact that that was a step down from what you were already doing, that's already a lot. So here's what I'm going to ask you to do. Okay. How long you've been listening to the show, Marie? Only since December, I discovered in December and then that's when I purchased the program. Okay. Now on a scale of one to 10, be honest, how much do you like the show and how much do you trust us? Yeah. On a scale of one to 10, I like the show at like a, probably a 10. Trust. Okay. Now listen, my dad said, don't trust anybody but family and even then be skeptical, but I do like that sell specifically like you go in and you do the studies because I'm an anthropology major right now. So I love studies. So I trust that for sure. Okay. All right. Well, do you trust this as far as fitness information is concerned? I mean, okay. All right. So you're not going to let me watch your kids, but you trust me with fitness information. Smart. Okay. So here's what I want you to do. Okay. And I'm glad you gave me a little bit of background. You're a logical individual. Sounds like you're intelligent. I can tell by the way you're talking and obviously your, your, your education points to the fact that you can be, you can be quite objective. Now here's the challenge. Intelligent objective people tend to be the easiest fooled by themselves, right? Because you're smart because you're objective, you probably can convince yourself of almost anything. In other words, you may have a feeling or an issue and then you'll convince yourself of the truth of that issue using your objective reasoning, your ability to reason and you'll do this with yourself. So here's what I'm going to ask you to do. I want you to step outside of yourself for a second. I want you to trust the science and also trust the experts. Okay. I'm sure it probably annoys the hell out of you when some keyboard warrior argues anthropology with you because you've studied it and this is what you're going to school for and you probably think to yourself, why can't they just trust the experts? Okay. We're the fitness experts. We've been doing this for a very, very long time. I've trained and work with a lot of people just like you. Okay. I've trained a lot of people just like you. And then here's the, the, the most important part. I am very much like you actually many, many ways just from talking to you. I can very much identify with what you're going through. So here's what I'm going to ask you to do. I want you to blindly trust the workout programming. I want you to do maps and a balik and do three foundational workouts a week. So in the program, we give the option of doing two to three. I think you could probably handle three. And then on your off days, do three trigger sessions a day. Now the trigger sessions need to be at a load of moderate intensity. And I want you to trust the program and here's what's going to help you. I want you to start listing the weight that you're working out with and look at the trends of strength. If your strength is trending in a positive direction, then there's your evidence right there. And that evidence right there, being somebody as logical and as objective as you can be, is should overpower your feelings of, oh my god, I need to do more, right? So, oh, I need to do more. But wait a minute. The data is saying that I'm getting stronger. So I'm moving in the right direction. So I want you to trust it and go for it. It's a three month program. Do you think you could do that? Do you think you could suspend your tendencies for three months and just go just based off the science and the data? Yes. I think that's like, so this is just a quick background. I was in an inpatient hospital eating disorder, depression, all that crap. And when I got out, I think I would actually like, if I look in the mirror, whatever, I gained weight, whatever, little depressing, but not too big. But the biggest thing was when I went in the gym and I couldn't do a push-up, I cried. Like I literally cried in the gym. There was nobody else there, so it's fine. But yeah. So I think that I could do that. My only other issue is because I was so intense with cardio as well. Like I built up to like an hour and I was running 10 miles a day and I don't do that anymore. But I still do like an hour a day and I'm trying to take that down. So I don't know how I would do that. I don't because I've heard some people say you can just quit cardio. I've heard some people say tamper off of it while you're reverse dieting. Just switch to walking. Yeah. Switch to walking. Yeah. Don't get rid of it completely. Just switch to walking. That's it. Now, do you also walk? So like I do and walking. Okay. So here's, I mean, this might be a more complicated conversation, but it feels like you're using alcohol, excuse me, exercise, like someone may use alcohol or other substances. And what I mean by that, and I know I've been there. Okay. It's a exercise feels good. It's distracting. It also gives you a very strong sense of control because you're doing something, right? This is something I can control. I can do this when maybe you feel out of control in other areas. So I know what it would mean to take it away completely without replacing it with something else that would put you probably in a pretty scary situation. So do this. Okay. Go ahead and continue to walk. Instead of your hour long cardio, let's take that laser like focus and that obsession and let's move it to yin yoga. Let's move it to something like that. Yeah. Move it to yin yoga. Something that's okay. Just fucking walk. Don't over complicate this. I don't do anything. I can't sit for more than that. Okay. Should I stop? No, no, no, no. Don't change. I'm not going to change your schedule. Just walk instead of getting on like a stair master or going hard for that hour. Just walk. It's okay. Walking is totally fine. Totally fine. And even though you walk already intentionally, the cardio session, the high intensity stuff, that's what I want you to stop. That just needs to be walking. So that's walking now or mobility or yoga. We don't need to cut out that out of your routine. There's nothing wrong with you just moving, but it's the high intensity thing that is going to be counterproductive to try to build your metabolism like you said you want to do. So we're not going to make you stop that, stop moving or stop going to the gym or wherever you were doing your cardio. Just switch it from high intensity to just be more therapeutic, be walking or doing something that's working inward. Marie, how feasible is it for you to hire a coach or a trainer, either online or in person? Is this something that's feasible for you or is that out of the actually before COVID hit? I was, I actually want to start getting the power lifting like that's my goal. My goal is to just be a badass in the gym again. Like I love when I go in there and people underestimate me and I pick up 50 pound weights and like what are you doing? You're a little girl. So I was going to start meeting with a coach and then COVID hit and everything shut down. I'm starting to look again. It's hard in this area. I don't know. Like there's a lot of coaches I'm skeptical about because I just don't, I'll ask them certain questions and it doesn't really click and I'm like, okay, let me eat 1600 calories a day. I'm like, no. All right, Marie, let's do this then. When we get off here, I want you to DM me, remind me who you are. And I'm going to talk to Jason Phillips and I'm going to get a recommendation for a good online coach. He's the owner of NCI certifications. He has a lot of really good coaches working for him. And I'm going to find, I'm going to tell him kind of what we talked about and then he'll recommend a good coach for you because I think that's going to be essential for you. I think it's going to be essential that you work with someone on a daily basis. She's also in the, she's in LCK area. She's in Laura, Laura Christie King. Okay. Well, DM me and I'm going to see if I can find somebody for you. I think Laura would be great for the nutrition part. And then, but anabolic right now. And then, then I would follow it up with power lift. It'd be a great program to run right after you do anabolic. I love that. Do you have maps anabolic? No. All right, we'll send it right over to you. Okay. All right. Thanks, Marie. Thanks for calling in. Don't forget to DM me. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Bye bye. Oh yeah. I about died when she said that was a step down for what she's doing. And then when you guys were trying to give her stuff to do it, she's like, I already do that. It's like such a busy body that we're dealing with here. And I'm just like, I mean, that was the first thing that came to mind is like, sometimes you just, you kind of have to like play the game of like, if you're going to be so busy and, and doing things like, why don't you do things that are recuperative? I'm so glad though that we got this question because I don't feel like we've had the ability to address what we used to talk about off air before we created PED. This was a major concern of ours when we wrote and why we waited till the last program to write this was because we knew that we'd had lots of clients just like this and knew that they would be attracted to that type of a program, knowing damn well that that's not the program they should be running and sure as shit, here's a perfect example of the client that is, that is drawn to that program, but we know that should be in something completely different. I mean, the truth is this, and this is the honest God truth. A person like this is harder to work with than a person who doesn't work out at all. Oh hell yeah. This is a very challenging situation. This is, and again, I can identify with this. The exercise is used like a drug. And so you're dealing with other issues, some exercises in the problem. It's just the method. Yeah, it's an outlet. Yeah, there's a root issue here. And so we could give all the advice in the world, but I don't think it's going to work unless she works with someone on a regular basis. It's a very tough thing to work through and break through, especially in the scale down, because once you start to scale down, oh my gosh, what am I doing? And then, oh my God, I'm losing muscle. I think I'm getting body fat. Oh my God. It's just paranoia just sets it. Yeah, I'm sitting with myself on my thoughts. And now I feel this way and whatever. It's a very challenging situation to get out of. And so I think working with someone, this is, I mean, that's what she would benefit from. She has to want to do it, though, of course. Yeah.