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Yeah COVID slowed a couple of things down man but I mean as well as like working in corporate America if you ask me but the street sometimes I didn't slow down or they just stayed I'm gonna stay like out a lot you know at a time COVID hit I wasn't even really in tune with the streets no more man I had already found my own little position in the world yeah you know so I wasn't as attached to the streets during their COVID shit man I was just trying to figure out if it was anywhere I could get a show or shit like that yeah yeah so how long you been doing music? Man I started growing a liking for music when I was like nine years old. Who introduced it to you? Oh my brother man if anybody from love you know my brother man you can't really mention Jaylis. Jaylis the walking metaphor. Jaylis you can't you can't you know. So he did music as well. Oh yeah he's a local legend he just didn't he well he's actually coming back into it right now but you know he's the best kept secret that was his alias for so long still is. So how much older is he than you? Seven years. Oh he's way older. You would think he was me though if you've seen him. Y'all look so much alike. Yeah we look like twins. Wow that's dope. For real. How do your mama feel about it? She's still around me? Yeah my mother's still around man she she she she she'll believe it when she sees it. Okay she old school you know what I'm saying. She was like go there and get a job. Of course that's any mother though you know but she like she she she ain't gonna ask no more questions when I get at that mansion you know what I'm saying. That's gonna be different. Yeah yeah yeah. That's always everybody's dream to you know. Gotta get a mama a house. Gotta get daddy a truck and get mama a house. A house man. I like that daddy a truck and mama a house. I like that. Mama get a house. Mama get a house. Man so you know when did you first feel like okay I got something in music? Shoot this is something that's funny but like it was when I started turning them turning hip-hop songs into into R&B songs man. Wow. Look look check it out. I was in I was at Foster Middle School Southside Longview, Texas and TI might have been in sixth, seventh grade. TI had just dropped it. Lean with it. Rock with it. Can you possibly make that into an R&B song man? It's like you can't make that into a R&B song. So I'm walking around Foster like Lean with it. Rock with it. Lean with it. Lean with it. Lean with it. Rock with it. Sing Lean with it. Rock with it. I'm like okay cool. I got my own version to this now. I'm like okay I'm different. I started writing my own shit. Just doing something outside the box. That's dope. And that's what made you that's what made you pursue that different singing but different alley than everybody jumping up and saying I want to rap. I want to rap like this person. I want to rap like that person because you are so unique in yourself and I love the way how you captivated that. You know what I mean? Because not everybody can because sometimes you can sit down. Everybody wants to be different but not everybody have it in them to be different because it has to come to you and you have to learn how to grasp it because I remember seeing Rihanna and when Rihanna first came out and some things that she would wear and how she would act and people like is that cute? And then after a while of wearing it so much everybody's like oh that's nice. You know it's just you have to grasp people's attention with being different but after a while people get used to you and they accept it. You got to keep on being that's the way I did it though. Like I was kind of thinking of that area like first it stands out you know what I'm saying? Why do you do that? Why is he doing like that cool and then think about it though. Skinny jeans for instance. Nobody really fuck you. You got a skinny jeans man. That's girl. You know what I'm saying? Then now you got everybody wears. Some of the OG's. I'm locking out. I think because you can't find nothing else. Being in the fashion world and being in it, we see that they everybody just trend toward what's trending and try to make sure they stay relevant. So you don't have a lot of choice and you see it so much the power of suggestion just snaps you into place and position and when you was saying I ain't gonna wear them, I ain't gonna wear them but your eyes it's so important what goes in the eye gate. You don't realize it because it seems so just becoming because you're just looking but it's something to it when you see the fruit and it was good. Like you see like he seen them fruit and it was good and she ate it. It's about what goes in your eyes. So you got to be careful what you put your eyes on if you don't if it's negative be careful. You know what I mean? Because it's staying your brain. It's like be careful the company you keep because you're looking at them. You know what? But now man you are very dope. Is there anyone else in your family who is brother? No even your brother because we don't know him yet. Who has that unique? Honestly, y'all just ain't seen that my son is like I don't know where I don't even got into my boy man but like he's he's a year and some change. Oh that's the jam. That's the jam. My son named Jam. He's a one of one. And he's one year old? He's a year and some change and like he's already singing. Wow. He don't even know how to talk yet but he'll walk around the house. Really? Hold on now. He can carry the tune. And he'll repeat. He heard music. He's gonna start doing this. He gonna do this. You gotta start them young. But other than my boy though you know my whole family does it. Really? I grew up in a church man. So that's what it was. What was that gospel song that you sang in church? Come on give it to him. Give me a little bit of it. It was like come along my friend come along get a boy and ride this train it is nothing on this train to lose everything come along my friend my friend welcome along get a boy. Boy you talent is an album man. I love your boy. He don't. Let me tell you. I love R&B. She love more and preach it. Yeah man. You're so talented bro thank you. When you come in you know because why you never just started out in R&B in the first place starting out? Because I was I think I think what the biggest difference between R&B and which it's been changed over time but with R&B and what I started which was hip hop is just lyricism you know you can't really I've never really seen but like I said it's evolved over the past decade or so but I was always really I graduated like in the top 10% of my class. I was always really vocal I was I like to use words I was I could write put a lot of words off in one bar and you write everything that you do yeah I write everything and I was really lyrical and I didn't think that I could say what get my point across with slow notes and stuff like that until I found myself I found my sound to where I could actually say as much as I want to say and sound like me not sound like nobody else but I didn't start with R&B because I didn't want to hold the tune I wanted to get a point across. Yeah see I love when people when people are very multi-talented like that where they can rap and then they throw in some R&B they don't have to go get somebody to play that part but they themselves can do that it just made me just feel like oh my god they're so oh wow you know what I mean it gives some jazz because R&B is cool but when you put that mixture into it that's why people go get features with somebody who can spice it up and make it different but when you can do all of that yourself that's amazing. I love I love the way that that you're gifted man it's so it's so it's a blessing to be in an honor you wanted those 10 that Trell talk no Peel talk was talking about you wanted those 10 out of East Texas that update you come and you don't think you don't know you don't know what you're about to get yourself into you wanted those 10 and I'm telling you right now you don't want to play with East Texas and the talent that it has you know Houston got talent Dallas got talent but East Texas definitely has talent we definitely we were yeah you you're something else man and I definitely um I mean like I said I'm from there that's why this this platform have shown mad love East Texas ever since I started you go on that rabbit hole you're gonna be like man he on there he on there because I made it a point that I wanted to see Texas just like PMC I saw Texas like UGK I want everybody to come together for Texas man and I'm not just saying it yeah I'm from here and and I love the fact of being from here but but at the end of the day I just feel like there has to be a togetherness for you and Texas is a big state man and and so I just want to see us come together I want to make great music together I want to see I want to see East Texas collab with Dallas I want to see Dallas collab with Houston I want to see it all come together man and it's kind of happening like there because sure a lot of people from East Texas are moving to Dallas and then it's moving in Houston I'm moving to Houston yeah and it's changing that music scene so um and I think really propane broke that barrier really yeah as far as like yeah it's kind of jumping out the gate yeah so salute the propane man out what about T. Jones he locked up right now free my guy man yeah it was propane then T. Jones and then of course we got well I think poodle was originally from Houston right yeah but then he came out of East Texas or whatever but yeah those guys are definitely putting off for the region in in more ways than one so I think and I also feel like Houston ain't the only big city that can unify man and I think I think East Texas could do it as well I think like I said I don't I guess you unify as one but I don't even like that as much as I like the fact that everybody should be able to work together we're so busy going and getting other people out of other states yeah when you got so much talent in Texas man yeah you know you got a lot of talent here brother I mean and then you hadn't seen I might have to put my own budget up to put a Dallas and a and a and a Houston and a East Texas artist on the same song because it hadn't really been done when you do the coffee yeah you know what I'm saying because that's that's what I want I want to see Texas come together shout out PMC because that's the kind of talk he was talking about and then everybody I think in that song they should put something about unity in that song showing that you know what I mean working together yeah music with music with a purpose man like a lot of these songs now are usually about the same thing you know like I don't want to collaborate with with three different icons from from three different big-ass cities and we're gonna make another song about uh money clothes sex cars yeah I don't want to talk about that I want to talk about something with some substance and put a little bit of flavor back into the music industry because it's really watered down yeah we always talk about that we always talk about well I personally love to talk about it the fact that these mics are very powerful being a musician is very powerful because people listen to kids adults everybody listen to you and they could be in a bad mood and because of what you're saying they could change or the tune to be I mean it turns them in a happy spirit you know what I mean right on so why not use that power to to to do some good yeah you know what to give a message that means something exactly mm-hmm I just like the fact man um just just like I said when I when I listened that your music and I started to look back at what you done you are ready to me the stuff that I ran into showed you to me to be a crossover automatically like that's something that you've probably been hearing a lot yeah they were telling me that up before I didn't know what it was yeah you know what it was like you you basically and it's a it's a it's a thing that's it's beautiful because it's going to transcend culture that's what's so beautiful about it it's going to be able to touch people in every walk of life that's what it means to cross over you able to touch people and with what you just said about the positivity about having substance we know that you're you're going to permeate their ears with something that can take them somewhere yeah and that's important because we don't have that a lot anymore like we used to a lot of times we've backed off from giving substance and talked about money cars clothes hoes yeah you know I'm saying beating down the block you know I'm talking about and I and I love that music too because I say sex sales and really in when you look at the social media and look at how people chase cloud and negativity and that's what everybody draft to I mean they have the most amount of comments and the most amount of likes and yeah just people arguing and that's what people go off of because they want to get somewhere so to say yeah I think basically they basically have a little sex and and I think it's I think one of the reasons why I think I know for a fact I can put this shit back into the music industry but I think it's more of a focal point on the haves rather than the have not so people start talking more about the position or the perspective of the have not you know what I'm saying and the music will come take a completely different turn you know I know this I've watched it because I see I studied this this music from people decades before the year I was born like I would listen to so Elvis Presley's stories and his music and I would listen to Ray Charles and look up his biographies and stuff like that just to just to see what the great what which one of these niggas felt the way that I feel and how I can relate this to generations of two three generations after the after theirs or their existence you know what I'm saying because their music is trans I mean people can still play that right now exactly have a great time exactly man I can press him up expressly make a make a make a hit record just listening to Elvis Presley already that's what I think every musician strive to have that record or records that the next five generations can still play yeah even after they're dead and gone and still can relate still know who they are I mean like I think that's one of the goals so so when you when you look at family what what does family mean to you um well I mean you this is who's who you start with and who you finish with regardless well it's blood it could sometimes it ain't even just blood though it's like uh when I see family man it's somebody that I'll never I never turn my back on I never neglect I never question it's a it's a different love it's an unconditional love you know or with family some things I would do for a I wouldn't do for a friend that I would do for a family member you know what I'm saying that's a that's really see you that's what you was talking about yesterday we was on the phone with with true talk man talking about asked them hard questions man how are you gonna ask me that right that's a you can't be vague with that question yeah that's fine you answer how we want to answer everything and answers from your heart yeah exactly you know because we want to portray the true you have been asked that before yeah yeah I think I think it's it's important I mean because you got you got kids and and and that's that's more important if everything else fails that's the only thing left standing exactly you and God and your family yeah exactly so that that that's a question that I mean hey man you know it's very important yeah it is not talked about as much no no and that's what makes I think one that's the difference between good good and great yeah right exactly when you're able to tap into understanding self-awareness like you spoke of earlier but understanding how to put it in a way to where people can hear what you sing about and change hear what you rap about and change whatever you do decide to do because you're multiple you're multi you know type artist you could do whatever and I know that you know what I mean and that's that's dope so you'll be able to touch somebody and help somebody's family man you know I like Kanye man I ain't gonna lie to you I'm a big Kanye fan because of the fact of I know he stands for family I know he loved God his first song Jesus you know the one that popped early on he always was the same Kanye now he's just a billionaire Kanye yeah you know what I'm saying but but he always been dope bro very dope icon man shout out to Jada Kiss that went off last night man I had to post that thing man he already know man try to tell us this for two long time when he's like why to say the hottest shit but he's selling the least man they get it man I feel my wife uh when I met him man it was just it was she didn't know what I was so excited about you know I'm like this kiss of death you know I'm like yeah I'm here and everybody from French Montana and all of them was there but the main thing Jewel Santana was there too that everybody was there but man Jada Kiss man come on man Big even knew it you know it if you know music bro you know what I'm saying he he the one you the one man like out of New York I don't care you gonna pick J I'm gonna pick Jada whoo that's heavy right there yeah yeah yeah because I know you're gonna bring it that's deep too yeah that's deep but it like sometimes like people that they done looked over Jada Kiss for two now long I think uh I think now's a perfect time for him to come out because she he was talking that talk that I'm trying to talk now way back then when the music game was first getting corrupt you know what I'm saying and now he finally stepping back out like New York here's your yeah and I'm telling you like people would say Jay Z lyrically uh now I'm not talking about business but you have you know you'll have a better argument with me about some from somebody from the south using Jada Kiss than you would a Jay Z because I know that nigga baby I'm just telling you I know music I love music and that's why we're on the pictures together that's why because I cut for this dude like that's why as soon as I seen it I knew I'm like it's a problem even though he in the locks I know that niggas hey he gonna change the game if he get that mic did you watch first did you watch it oh yeah I watched I watched some of it man I didn't watch I didn't get to finish the entire thing but I got some of it I just know that every time you write every time he touched a mic it's like he been holding this hand for forever bro and I know he had him bro yeah I feel like that nigga deserve everything coming his way right now they just trying to eat him up with social media I'm ready to see what record he's gonna yeah he gonna break something behind this that's what I'm excited about too so I'm looking forward to it man man as soon as I hit my boy up man Junebug uh from clout I know uh New York this this morning he hit me right back when I posted that Jada me and I posted I was like nigga y'all don't even don't play with this one yeah you know man shout out to them boys out there I got a lot of love for certain ones that I deal with that I know you know what I'm saying that I've always been down for me you know what I mean and and that's the real uh so let's get back to you I know you um seem very in tune with who you are and you say you like to do your research you know where you want to go and so forth um do you write down your goals as in where you want to go where you see yourself um the thing is like I I really think it's weird because I I could write them down but it's like I got goals that are based on longevity like I don't really do the short term goals though too well um I've always been like shoot well I speaking to Kanye West he uh one of his lyrics was like reach for the stars so if you fall you land on the cloud so I'm already planning what I want to be doing in like 2024 right now and I gotta I focus more on my bucket list than on my on my monthly or weekly agenda but even with that um one thing I always think about if even if you're reaching for the stars you need to know what steps you need to take to get to the stars so that's what I'm looking at is okay so I know you want to make a change in the music industry what do you plan to do stepwise to make that change see I I really do believe in um taking I feel like I can open a bunch of uh gateways through my music so that's just the that's just the that's just step one for me is to like you know say take over the music industry and my goal with that with music is to potentially change the world of course I don't want to change the game I want to change the world and like uh through that like I wanted me and her talk about it all the time like to to uh helping the homeless people because I've went through that I spent a lot of time trying to catch up in life so do you are homeless once I've been through it I've been through it more than once man like just not wanting to not wanting to feeling too good to ever go back and and and ask to start all over yeah yeah I would rather just uh face it you know what I'm saying and it's like and there were times don't get me wrong there were times where I didn't have to be right that's most people there were I was it's pride forced to okay in times where I was forced to like okay um the drugs play part in it uh you know say well if it's weeds a drug you know what I'm saying it's just weed yeah tell her she's your makeup she's not gonna say I wouldn't I ain't been no I'm not gonna say yeah yeah I wasn't no dope dealer or no shit like that I had my I took my part in the streets and stuff like there but it didn't take me long to notice that that it wasn't that's just not me I know how to hustle but I'm not a hustler you feel me right that's what what it was for me but then on top of that though man uh I've been pushing this music thing for a long time and you know I said that's late lights early mornings and that that really don't fly everywhere when you just trying to when you when you trying to build a life by by living under somebody else's rules and stuff like that you're trying to create a way of your own so um but back to what you were saying though about like um without what exactly I want to do with music and whatnot so I just want to take this and that investments of course like Bitcoin uh the actually this is Pablo talking that I'm actually okay representing right now it's like a new it's a new cryptocurrency there and it's right now it's under under a penny so so if this shit goes big you could be talking to a potential billionaire let's just I'm gonna cut some of our fingers you know what I'm saying but I really do believe in it or whatever but yeah man I just want to and I'm not even done studying how the world is changing like when the the more the world changes the more I'm gonna want to use my music to affect this or affect that I'm dabbing at this and dabbing at this so so when you when you when you uh so you say you was locked up for a little bit yeah yeah how long did you say locked up um it was periodically man I spent like four straight years in and out of jail the longest time I ever did was like six months bro okay and um yeah it was just was it in Texas yeah it was in Texas okay yeah did you ever go out of Texas no I don't know always Texas yeah I didn't I don't really it was I got told you I spent a lot of time playing catch up down here yeah uh when I started traveling and just in 2020 I seen I seen um 30 37 state 37 38 states in 2020 alone wow and I never and that's during a pandemic yeah exactly and I didn't catch covid did nothing so thank god thank god wow listen but so how did how did blue hearts come along how did how did that happen uh blue hearts was was actually um a part of me in my new distribution deal with uh Jerry Wonder and and and his music and and Wycliffe of course we um they had a plan for me from seeing Bloody Mary with with really Millie and uh Antoine visuals and they saw that and they they they could feel the same thing you felt like you know it don't take a no it don't take a genius I mean how did they contact you um I have an attorney man uh he's actually a sports agent okay now Joaquin man he uh he's he's been on the CNN for years and and um he's actually from Texas uh uh like uh towards uh eastern and Lakeport area okay and um he he's seen me when Bloody Mary started going viral uh back in 2019 2020 and asked me that I need an attorney and and he knew some people who he felt like he could introduce me to and um I met a guy named Quasia Sarah through him who's been in the United Nations oh my god he used to be a PDT's assistant okay um he's just big names I met a lot of muggles in a short amount of time uh he knew Biggie personally and um and uh he introduced me to Jerry Wonder and when Jerry Wonder heard the music uh from that was on on YouTube at the time uh like it was of course it was Solid 2 Summer Nights uh Bloody Mary um Camp Somewhere those records were on YouTube and he saw me and he he loved every last one of them and he said he he asked me a few questions about my life and where my direction was and he said it didn't take him long to know that he could work with me and so and I got that goes for anybody you know because you have a humble spirit and so yeah I love your spirit I love your spirit I feel like that's the way speaking of Blue Hearts that's the way we came in with that uh shout out to Benny Wonder he's um uh uh he's he's amazing man he was actually an air wonder where I'm back where Benny Wonder was the producer slash writer on this record and he gave me an idea about um uh like drowning out your sorrows with alcohol based on a on a relationship and I like that's actually something I've been through in my life before you know I'm saying like alcohol played a big part in a lot of things I went through and relationship wise like hell I would turn to the bottle I'll turn to the bottle to to to take away from the pain of like not having exactly what I wanted in a woman or something like that and and yeah so we me and me and Benny and Jerry we we collided on that record and made a freaking hit man yeah it's dope yeah what about who is that coca coca coca of course yes I was getting to her she's uh in my eyes she's the upcoming queen of bk you know I'm saying she's out of Brooklyn yeah she's out of Brooklyn and uh it's wild because before how did you meet her that's what I'm saying it's wild before but before I ever met coca I was just going down uh jerry them pages and and all of their friends and stuff and I noticed her but I never knew she was signed to jerry wonder okay and so I was liking the music and I showed her one day and I was like hey man uh this chick right here man she don't sound like these new girls just coming out rapping man she ain't saying nothing about nobody boyfriend she ain't talking about no left front no heels no pussy no nothing she ain't saying nothing like that she on some straight up from the streets I'm getting it this is me nice to meet you fuck you if you don't like me shit and talking about the world and everything the same time and um the man picked up on it yeah I picked up on it then next thing you know I'm sitting next to her at Jerry's house in Jersey you know I'm saying and he came out and we just out talked to what we wanted to collab on that record that was a breakout record for me and shit yeah I wouldn't have picked another female to been on it anyway so when can we go here because you had something you wanted to ask no I was okay this one is gonna because what I wanted to ask you all already touched on that yeah but um what I wanted to ask how many in being in Texas how many and you're a humble spirit but how many people actually look on you and judge you because of how you look man that's so many so many so many but like a lot of my music I've been really focusing on more giving the kids something to dance to giving them something to to you know say how good that you ain't got to block out every word and stuff like that a lot of the music that I put out now if you buy my album and they may not all be just rated G but um I've been doing that for the kids and it's like uh it's like um they look at me as when a kid sees me and they walk I mean they just stare at me like this and I'll be like but I like it I like it because I know that it's inspiring them to be who they want to be you know they love to think outside the box yeah man I didn't ask to I didn't ask no actually my hairstyle was on accident rock so really yeah how did that how did that happen okay so I first got dreads when I was in Cali oh she's smiling over there when you said that I first got dreads while I was in Cali man I wanted to go dreads and you know and when I did it I just wanted to put them off in ponytails one day and I accidentally left one tied up for too long and then when I took it off all of them had just combined and I was like okay well okay I'll just do it with this one too then I just and then the next thing I know I was just trying it with them and see if it worked through what I love and I was like oh they're getting wicks and stuff but then I just tied my hair up and it happened like this but you know what I'm saying I like it but it become a style now because a lot of people are wearing their dreads like that exactly and it's so crazy that's why I know they got a whole way to do it now I'm like damn I didn't even know that when I was doing this you know and I was just taking a shower and not taking my fucking hair bands the next thing I know it was an old style let me ask you a little bit more about the music so so you guys done great work together you and Trillie so I mean how hard was it adjusting to working with others after you had worked with him man to be honest with you I still haven't adjusted to it yet yeah me and Millie got me and see I know him by Millie you know what I'm saying I know him by Trillie my bro wasn't Trillie Millie or something I mean there hasn't been a lot of different things still my nigga though you know what I'm saying yeah but like I just like that because you work with him so long yeah yeah and so it was like me and him got a chemistry we had a rapport like I said like I told uh I told Trill talk it was it was a whole lot more sort of a brother thing with me and him rather than a other than a business partner thing so but like trying to find another brother in the music industry may be hard you know I'm saying finding that that chemistry that rapport in the music industry that may be hard but so I mean I have found other guys that can that can adapt to music the same way they have the ear for music that Trillie does but yeah you know I'm saying just having that same chemistry with somebody else is almost irreplaceable you know yeah the reason I asked is because I know you you had to do this last the song you know with somebody else and why not be why Cliff right yeah why Cliff is one of the when I seen him on that video I say it's over man like you know because he he bring that whole feel like it's a wrap like I don't know who did who this dude uh Ios but uh I can tell you right now it's a problem yeah and why Cliff picked a good song you know I'm saying yeah I was like I was I was still like how did it happen how did he get on that why what made him just get on that song okay and that's actually the meeting him for the first time okay you know like now see that that was actually the first time that why Cliff and Jerry wonder uh have ever come to collaborate on a video you know I'm saying on the music video so I felt I was a part of history wow with those guys and it like until this day it's still surreal to me and um and um like it happened because you know Jerry wanted a bugger basement and all of that from the Fuji's Jerry wonder was the player he was the reason why the Fuji's like you know and why Cliff and prize and yeah and then Lauren Lauren they were all one for so long 25 years into the game and that's that's that's that's that's moguls that's legendary and so it wasn't nothing but a phone call for Jerry to say hey I got this guy right here and they had me on three or one day and why Cliff was like he get on there and he was like yo what up camp and I'm like what up wow that's dope he was like he was like he was like what's up I was like yeah but what up man he was like I need to be on the drug you on that's what's up I was like boy he was like bro your music is crazy man I'm out for you bro your music is crazy man and and then ever since then it was like and how long ago was that um that was around oh man I talked to Cliff by like September of uh last year yeah yeah wow it took us a while man to get to here yeah it took us a while to get a video dropped and a lot of that stuff but it came about man I think it took like nine months actually to get it done because we had winter storms coming through we quickly got messed up a lot of stuff was he in the studio with you and all that with the studio with me but he was on set with me and with the with the guitars and shit like that and just I still remember like it was yesterday standing in the middle of him and Jerry Wanda uh on the on the stage and shit like that it was wow man that's it there's a feeling that you can't really explain wow so like standing next to greatness like that yeah there's like that I feel like I fit right in with him though man so did they just come where you was at and y'all did it or were y'all hanging out and and then and then you did it talked about it what happened Jerry Jerry flew me out of to Jersey okay and I was out there for probably like shit about a month man and I went to the studio with him I had the opportunity to record with Platinum Sound New York okay a lot of a lot of Platinum Sound New York yeah Platinum Sound man shouts out and uh met some great people out there man met Arden and uh uh man I met Verley I met Gerby I could the list goes on and on a lot of people that was out there man but uh it was like we we I was out there about a month with Jerry and and and just meeting the team and warming up with everything and then I left and they flew me back out there to do the visual part the first time I was out there we were just recording so Clef was never really just in the studio with us like that and I really did probably like five or six records that nobody's just heard you with wonder music so this is just a breakout yeah so you guys got you gotta stay tuned man I got some surprises on the way but like yeah you know we gonna stay tuned yeah yeah man so shit like and I'm gonna give you my email so you can send me stuff so I can listen to it like I do everybody else got you got you bro and um you know so when we went back out there to record the visual part of it that's when uh Clef showed up and Clef came around and I got to meet him and and we actually uh went head up like rams a couple of times man I ain't know he was that strong either but yeah like uh we had we had a we had a we had a blast out there bro yeah we we kicked it at the at Jerry's house and we've actually filmed most of the scenes with me and Clef we filmed those in Jerry's basement okay and then we talked the whole basement into a into a dance floor so yeah it was fucking lovely bro yeah I'm gonna tell you something man that's that's history man that's yeah that's culture man that's everything that anybody in the music industry would want man we're talking about some icons we're talking about listen man Beyonce will tell you the same thing that's what you know you done done some spectacular when Beyonce would agree with you you know I'm really trying to understand that whole level you know what I'm saying like she would agree with you that this is something that's great you know and I know she would because of the simple fact of the road that she came down in order to get to be who she is you know what I'm saying this is dope man like you should be proud of yourself bro if you don't do nothing as I always say if I don't sell another stitch if you don't sing another song you know you've done something that really a lot of people would never do in their lives so you should be thanking God for that bro and I can't wait to see the work that's about to come out because I know you're gonna go hard because you're the future exactly that's so that's what I want and I think they know that you know I mean that's important you know because you things that's in you that they that you know when you're older right there's some things that that you could maybe do that I could never do because you're still traveling a road that's the way the wide cliffs would feel exactly you see what I'm saying we're just so proud to be in in the midst of our youth man like to see you guys come up and and to know the opportunities that was created through things that he did you know he should be I know loving it bro you know what I'm saying yeah the fruits of his labor labor is not in vain you know what I'm saying exactly it's not in vain and that's the whole game man I think that's definitely important man yeah yeah I mean to be able to see that it's dope yeah yeah witnessing it firsthand is even is even more spectacular bro wow and then like me I'm so I'm so I always demanded perfection of myself so like so like you know I'm always looking for a follow-up to everything you're like okay I've met I've met two of the moguls now what do I do from here like what's next I gotta I gotta keep on pushing like I said reach for the stars so if you fall you land on the clouds so now I don't want to stop and get like hey look at that look what I've done that like when you were saying be proud of it I always remember my accomplishments but I never really just stopped to like focus on them you know what I'm saying look at where I've been I don't I don't know why you have to enjoy the moment yeah I mean you know you have to savor the moment you have to savor the moment yeah you have to you have to embrace it because it's something that's extraordinary yeah it's something that that like I said certain people never do you know what I mean and thank god for it exactly oh yeah man so you you but you're doping I know big things coming you know I'm saying so I ain't tripping I'm waiting on it you know I'm saying and you have to stay humble during everything yeah we've met some don't ever let the fame get to you that fame monster that's why I try not to even think about think about it man I don't even how was it okay did you ever go anywhere with Wycliffe and and and and what was the other one uh Jerry Jerry did you ever go places to go I would I would I've been a couple of places with Jerry man and uh we had a good time and stuff I would not say it because you you get them looks and you get those you know yeah you know somebody might approach you you know what we happen what we what we what we're gonna do we haven't really got to their part yet because I'm I'm still not even a year into my yeah my into my contract with them you know what I'm saying so and it's like we got I know for a fact I got a lot of big plans and stuff like that so where we're gonna be we haven't even seen a fraction of it just yeah where we're gonna do we we haven't seen a fraction how did you feel when you first seen that video on bt I don't know man I hate to say I gotta quote another Kanye lyric man but it was like remember when they ain't believing me and they like see that's my cousin on tv and I mean we woke up we woke up at like three in the morning bro to set the alarm clock for bt because we knew it was coming out and it was it was at different times and we had missed every time you know what I'm saying and then it's on the website and it was like damn and it's like I'm getting chill but I'm thinking about it right now you know it's good man yeah yeah yeah when we first got on tv it wasn't on bt it was on the cw network and I you know I was happy about it there let me let me pop mine you know what I'm saying yeah I see this was about what a month ago and I said yeah man with me and klc it was a clout that put us on first and they had boss talk on there okay they put us on and and I was waiting on it just like you man and we popped up and we had a beast by the pound klc and we were talking and all of us got our cameos it was great man and then then we get a call from breakfast brothers and he said man I'll put the last eight minutes of boss talk on my tv because he was on it yeah because he was also on here I was like wow I was we was asleep we was actually asleep I woke up I was like yeah he was like yeah I said yeah man go and do it man I said that's great man I you know just thanking God for these brothers that have seen this show and was so like this is dope and we want to see your form your platform flourish you know it was great man I mean we didn't hit as many cities as you on bt but we in the building we hit the southern states we was in mississippi alabama we was in atlanta and it's just to begin if man I thank God for it man you know but but but let's uh let me get that top three artists of all time that are live you know we do that on here top three top three artists number one i'm gonna do that man eight number one number one i gotta go with jaco man jaco yeah oh man give it to jaco man i'm not gonna i'm gonna be seeing it for a long time man i like it i like jaco man he's he's conscious i ain't seen him stop yet i ain't seen like and i'm looking at the evolution from where he was when the where he is now yeah yeah from the warm so you think that was j working with him too um with what i don't see any of i don't really i don't know i i think jaco i think it's jz i'm there yeah yeah i know what you're saying yeah i'm thinking like he had his own way of doing things exactly i don't think jay jay z had to be so jay didn't touch it i don't think he had to have as much hands on with jay coal as jay z might have had to have with with meg or somebody else yeah yeah you know i'm saying i i think that he uh i really do think jay jay jay coasted his own with with a lot of his recent stuff number two um number two uh this is going as long as kind of like it's gonna kind of any genre too any genre well sure i gotta give the michael jackson then wow that's because yeah yeah when you say any money might yeah when you say we had a guy on this from long view said that chris brown was better than michael jackson oh and what sound like the ld okay what i'm talking about i don't know i don't know about that but man i think chris brown's he got some work to do he he called though he on his way to be in michael jackson number three uh rain number this that's the hardest part to feel bro but but uh i'm gonna say i'm gonna say it would be a tie bro no i don't do ties all right i gotta give it to nars then nars yeah man i like that man i like that i'm a nars oh man man hey etha let's make your soul burn slow niggas stop playing niggas say boss talk in this song too i know you got it from us so don't play niggas i came out boss talking and you said it and i heard it the last time you was on the mic niggas now but i love i love nars and and like i said man i jay as a business man you gotta give it up to him but when it when it when it come down to music my top three i'm going with pimp see every time yeah that's just me cause i'm a southern boy that came from this man and i it was a different time we didn't have the internet like you guys do when i came up we had a cassette tape and a record a 45 you know i'm talking about all yeah we we we didn't have we couldn't get around like everybody else but that tell me something good came on and it was something different yeah you know what i'm saying yeah it hit different yeah exactly i'm i love your voice so much that i want it i want you to give me a little bit more oh you want to say something you love messing with me i love what you want to hear i might sing with him let's go uh i got i got a bunch of different stuff i've been working on um let's give me something uh uh let me see let me see let me see if you can make me cry i'm not this much you ain't gonna cry you ain't gonna do no crying today i never thought i see the day a nigga heart got colder not a chance i'm taking to protect my soldiers i heard your boy was telling like i talked i told y'all pull a nigga card and call it texas on them how you gonna try not to check on it fuck around put a check on it how you gonna try not to check on nigga put some respect on it i'm gonna be messing with mr. rally and i love the way you just go in man yeah yeah yeah see like i had i was wanting to do a record one time but i know it would be real controversial as far as as far as religion goes but uh but it's like it was like using a song about a female with uh the way i was saying it you know i'm saying it's like kind of basing it off of a prayer or whatever it's so like don't ever feel like you can't it's your words because the same thing when you said that the first thing came to my mind was ray child because those guys came into a situation where their music and their sound was challenging the ways that things were naturally done and he still did it and he did well with it and it caused r and b to come on the scene see see that's what i've been saying i gotta hit y'all with a slip of it because it's called christian girl right so it goes like this it goes like uh then hitting my weed oh she blow the gospel and then blow me she anywhere we're like anytime but anytime is the perfect time her mama teaching her daddy preach her sister sing all the church's rounds we hit it off when i said a prayer this mr church and she liked it the holy bread gotta in my bed she'll write your cheek but this girl is bad i never thought to know christian girl throw it back oh no y'all no listen man you know you say well you know uh it's a prayer and and then it's a it's a prayer but then it's a song that's mixed with r and b and then you know but it's a it's some stuff about this but what you're expressing is is really life yeah it really is life it's really truth like like this is the things that's happening yeah it's not like you just i mean yeah you're you're articulating it in a way to where it comes to fruition but at the end of the day this is what's happening yeah now as people evolve and go through things and change and transform into different parts of being a better human being uh this is a part of evolution exactly so so i don't see why someone would be offended by if they wouldn't judge people because at the end of the day when you start judging you're gonna find fault not only in everyone else but yourself also exactly you see what i'm saying so these are these are times where you're seeing a person evolve and you're trying to articulate how they evolve and and the only one does that is antagonist which is the devil oh yeah oh yeah i'm like but you see people look at stuff like that and say because you know how they always had a good stuff for the bad so some people will take it personally like well i'm a christian girl i'm a i'm a preacher's daughter i'm a this and i did good but i don't do that that's right you know what i mean so that's why they always said a good stuff for the bad because they're looking at it like no yeah i don't do that but then it was a time when you went through something and you do do something yeah right so so yeah yeah but you just don't do that right but you do something you do so you see what i'm saying yeah now now let's move on because you doing whatever you were just singing about but you're doing something and that's why the problem lies with people that gets too religious and self-righteous because they start putting heavy weights on people that they can't even carry exactly and that's a problem that is you see what i'm saying so we can't we can't get caught up in that we have to evolve as a as a as a human race yeah all of us together and and while one is hurting we don't get so judgmental that we excommunicate them or cancel them out while god is working with them agree so that's the that's the biggest problem i see with religion is that so many people become self-righteous to a to a fault oh yeah to a point where they just basically blocking everybody out and saying we going and they not all 144,000 of us you see what i'm saying so we got to get off of that because that's not that's not that's that's not real we got to try to meet people where they at and love people until they come out of their situation because we might have been there already and we already came out don't look down on somebody just because they're coming through let me get off of it man because i go in that's what i do man now it's just real talk you know what i'm saying it's just real real talk man real boss talk so what when boss talk come to mind right yeah what what do you think of when you when you heard the name boss talk what was your first i was thinking it like basically kind of like what we're doing right now like i think it like a round table you know i'm saying some wine and some bosses that's speaking on something that could change that they circumstances and somebody else best though yeah and that's what we use our platform for because each and every one of us go through situations and we're not the only ones who go through these situations so with it being on youtube apple spotify on every streaming platform you don't know who's listening listening that going through the same situation and for the main fact that you overcame certain things and they hear it they're like okay because some people don't get over certain situations certain people decide to take their lives over a certain situation when others move on and excel yeah if they at that time have heard somebody going through what they're going through they might not have chosen to do that you know what i mean so we use our platform to help people really exactly man this is i really appreciate we we seen uh ckp he left here from doing his first interview to going on g with a genius you know and and going from four million uh youtube views to ten ten million you know um we seen that you know what i mean yeah we're very proud of him we're glad we got the chance to yeah i've been seeing this from him growing on me for the past four five days man oh yeah i find myself just seeing it man i want to let me tell you his personality like i fall in love with people's personality if you're a good person i'm like i will vouch for you i'm like oh yeah he gonna get there he gonna do well or she gonna do well you know what i mean yeah yeah i thank god for you brother and thank you um how can people get a hold of you i'll see you if they're looking for you your music how do they get a hold of um uh i got a website uh www.callinallmypeople.com that's really what camp stand for okay i was wondering calling all my people i love it that's dope uh uh you know i'm saying if you can't say you want to change the world and you gotta i gotta call all my people yeah yeah and um you know of course on instagram you gotta c dot a dot m dot p underscore underscore and and that's and essentially camp c dot a dot m dot p on every on everything wow apple music all platforms wow and twitter by the way wow i'm on twitter too yeah i just got started how about tiktok oh yeah i'm the same thing on tiktok yeah yeah yeah i haven't tapped the auto way into my tiktok abilities but i think the last one for blue horse was pretty dope well and i've been doing this cooking stuff i've been tapped into my culinary arts look i've been winging it but it's been coming out coming together i've been looking it up and doing it you know i'm saying that for real looking it up and executing man i've been i've made a banana pudding bro southern banana pudding stop playing stop playing oh no he let me tell you look let me tell you something about something i do man i'm making one a night and stop playing for my son he love it that's all for real the banana pudding yeah you put the egg yolks and all that in there all of that man yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we're going in the middle yeah all that and that's my first bottom yeah yeah yeah we get it in yeah we're not buying no instant pudding thank you man once you go that way it's hard to go back yeah yeah yeah yeah so if you could go back and um ask your younger self or even not ask your younger self but actually advise your younger self as in what it is that he's about to start facing i want to say younger self maybe 14 15 you tell him what how could you advise him to prepare himself for what he's about to what he's about to face um i think i uh i think i held back a lot you know what i'm saying i think i was uh fear i would i you could say fear you could say fear but it was more so just like um i really got a problem with overthinking like it's almost like a sickness in my life but yeah overthinking things uh to the point to where i'm afraid to make any decision because you're too romantic that's what it is for real because you're scared of making the wrong decision yeah and then see what when one day i just like i just thought to um i was thinking man you never really know if you can fly nothing until you get in the air you know so i was like you jump off a cliff my nigga see if you can flap your wings instead of float and that's kind of what i did when i when i went to california and i was linking up with nick cannon and stuff like that we didn't even talk about that i saw that picture and now it seems that was so i was nick you know nick shout out to nick i think i got your number nigga because kevin heart gave it to me i will call you nigga thank you kevin heart but yeah yeah yeah so how did you you was on wilder now no i wasn't on wilder now what was you doing with nick i was on power 106 new music one day i competed against summer walker man should i say summer walker as well okay that's dope me and her was representing out there man so you i mean you and nick did you keep his number or you yeah yeah i kept his number so you and him might rock back out yeah man look i'm waiting out nick got his number i know we're gonna link back because already man that's dope man you're just a dope dude man and long view man the only two that's done really just came off like that uh to be able to say i've excelled is him in uh forest whittaker yeah you can shout out to forest whittaker it's going down man and i'm gonna be Matthew McConaughey and al d that's my nigga man al d is a rapid i love the way you wrap dude man he does man y'all got talent down there bro them top 10 boy hey hey look out man uh whoever uh uh your boy y'all heard your trill talk no pill talk he got d10 stepping up yeah i might put it together i don't know say man you guys better go check out man camp he's dope bruh and i'm telling you you're gonna be like wow this dude is kicking it with white cliff man the food is that he's bringing people back together man i don't know what's up with this man and i'm gonna rock out with this for a minute man he's texas in the building man howl at your boy man yeah man we love you brother it's a unique hustle man say man it's been another great segment of boss talk 101 and we out