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New year to weightlifting bundle, the excuse me new to weightlifting bundle, the body transformation bundle, the new year extreme intensity bundle and the body transformation bundle 2.0. If you're interested in those, go to maps January.com. All right. Here we are with Dr. Conn. Welcome back, Dr. Conn. Yeah, I'm on my own this time. Hey, that was fun. So we came down, we talked a little bit about this on the show, right? We came down to Mexico, come see you to get some treatments and stuff. Can we talk about what you did to us and what you gave us? Yeah, please tell the audience how I genetically modified you and put some cells in your body. It's for only new human beings now. Yeah. Justin's erection has improved by 30% substantial. Yeah. No, so what's, so what's the, what's, so talk about that. So you give a stem cell. So let's talk about that first and what, what, what that procedure was like. And we'll talk a little bit because we all notice a difference for sure. Yeah. So so that we'll start with that. Yeah. And I think I have to paint a little bit of a picture because the problem is you can, you can type stem cell into Google right now and you'll probably get like a hundred different stem cell clinics in the US. And then you'll also see FDA warnings. So I have to go into the history a little bit and explain why the stem cells you got are so different from what you can get in the United States. Oh, yeah. And so the biggest difference is in the United States, you can do what are called autologous stem cells. So autologous means are from your own body. So you can take them from your bone marrow, or you can take them from your fat, but you're not allowed to grow them. That's called culture and expansion where you actually grow the stem cells. And if we're going to be technically correct, which I like to be is they're technically not even stem cells, they're called committed progenitor cells. What that means is they're already committed to a certain cell lineage, whereas a true stem cell, as most people probably know, has the ability to turn into any type of tissue. That's called pluripotent. And the most basic form of that is what's called embryonic stem cells, which are totipotent, which means they can turn into anything. But some people may remember in the Bush era, there was a lot of controversy around stem cells. And the reason for that was because people were proposing that we use embryonic stem cells, because they're so strong. But then obviously there's ethical issues, right? It's like, So these were how they harvest. Yeah, exactly. And so that never obviously took off. So that kind of set back the stem cell field a little bit. But then there's a lot of bright people and scientists who figured out, Hey, wait, there's other sources of stem cells that maybe aren't as strong as embryonic, but still have a lot of great properties. And that's where the fat came in. That's where the bone marrow came in. And then that's where umbilical core tissue and perinatal fluid and all that stuff that comes after birth came in. So in the US, they said, Okay, you're allowed to take you're allowed to take your progenitor cells from your fat and bone marrow, and then you can process it and you can inject it back in. And so this has been done for several years. And many clinics offer that. But the problem is there's so much heterogeneity, which means the quality of your stem cells versus a stem cell of a 20 year old is going to be very different. So it's only going to be good as good as the ones that you can produce. Exactly. And after 40, there seems to be a decline in what's called stem cell exhaustion, which is one of the hallmarks of aging, which means the stem cell number and the function of stem cells decreases significantly. So they're probably not even that useful after a certain age. Now, what are the what are the stem cell treatments approved for? Because when I looked it up and read a little bit about it, I think it's just for like certain types of cancers that they treat. So yeah, so the only I mean, there are FDA has a few approved therapies now, but one of them that's been around forever is for like leukemia, which is like a bone marrow transplant. Okay. And that's that's actually when that's been around since like the 50s or 60s. And that's that's a much more involved procedure. But the cool thing that we realized is those are hematopoietic stem cells. What you guys got are mesenchymal stem cells. So these are just like embryological terms. But the point is, hematopoietic stem cells, you have to have what's called HLA cross matching. So you have to match. So that's why when you see, are you a match for a bone marrow transplant versus what you guys got were mesenchymal stem cells. And if you guys remember, it's not like we had to be like, oh, are you a match or not, we could just give them to you. And the reason they're safe is because they're immuno privilege, because you don't have to have an exact match. They're not going to cause any sort of rejection. Okay. And that's the beauty of mesenchymal stem cells. So mesenchymal stem cells essentially are they can be from your fat, your bone marrow from umbilical cord. And these are all the different sources where we can get them. But in the US is currently illegal to take umbilical cord stem cells and inject them into people. That doesn't stop people from doing it. There's loss of clinics doing it, but it's still not FDA approved, which means you're obviously running not only medical legal risks, but then you're also kind of not sure where they're getting their stem cells and what's the quality and all that stuff. And then the other biggest issue in the US is you're not allowed to culture expand them. So the stem cells that people are using in the US are maybe like, let's say 500,000 to a million in terms of dosing. What you guys got was like 200 to 300 million. Wow. So just imagine what's going to be better, just from an intuitive perspective, right? What's going to be so in the US, you're basically getting older quality stem cells that are not expanded. And then you go do a stem cell procedure at some doctor's clinic and then you're like, it didn't work. And that's a lot of people's experience. So it's a shame because it's like it kind of ruins a whole stem cell field and the possibilities of it because they're not even being done properly in this country. And that's because of regulators are kind of slow in terms of like progressing and keeping up with the science because I worked in like I worked in Dubai for last, last all of winter. And over there, stem cells, culture expanded stem cells have been legal for like nine years. Same thing in Japan for over 10 years now. But so these countries are already half progressive regulatory frameworks. So they can be done safely. But in the US, it's still like not allowed. Sorry. Now the ones that we got were the kind of stem cells that can turn into anything. They're pluripotent. So they're not totipotent. They're not embryonic, but they're close to that. They're pretty close. Yes, they can turn into many different types of tissue. Okay. So what wouldn't wouldn't they be able to turn into since they're not the totipotent? I mean, for all intensive purpose, like, so you could do cartilage, muscle, tendon, bone. Those are the main ones that they could turn into, but not like you couldn't regenerate like a pancreas from it or like you couldn't regenerate like an organ from it. So but yeah, so interesting. And so we got that dose. Now, why are the regulators slow here? Are there risks that they're afraid of? Are they afraid of? Copy money. Is this going to turn into a cancer cell? This is going to feed tumors? What's the fear? What's no because there's good data that the stem cells are actually cleared up by your immune system within a couple of weeks. So they don't actually stay there that long. But the stem cells, what they're doing so because think about why are we putting them intravenously? It's not like we want to grow new tissue inside of your body. What they're doing is their immunomodulating. They're pressing kind of the reset button on your immune system. So they're reprogramming your immune system from going from pro inflammatory to anti-inflammatory. This is called macrophage phenotyping and macrophages are basically white blood cells that secrete cytokines that can create pro inflammatory environments. And a lot of people probably know inflamaging, which is becoming a popular term. Chronic inflammation is probably the main driver, one of the main drivers of aging. And so if we can slow down the inflammatory process, it's going to help with aging, it's going to help with many chronic diseases. And that's what IV stem cells do. Number one, they're doing immunomodulation. So they're reprogramming your immune system. And how do they do that? They go through the system, you give it to us through the IV stem cells are floating around. They go to... They have a homing mechanism through what are called chemokines that get released from the blood vessels that tell them, hey, come here, come fix this problem. So that's why they can help with so many different issues. And they can help with... A lot of them do get trapped in the lungs. But even though there's a lot of them trapped in the lungs, there's still enough of them being spread out in the vascular care that allows for systemic benefits. So the biggest thing they're doing is your gut, I would say, working in your gut and helping to kind of change the environment there. Because that's where most of your immune system is. Interesting. Wow, that's interesting. Okay. So you gave us hundreds of millions of pluripotent stem cells, which were harvested from... Embellical core tissue. Okay. And they're from non-vaccinated donors, just so you guys know. Okay. Oh, my God, we're good. You are requesting that, right? You are requesting that. Yeah. Yeah. Is that a thing? Sorry, are people looking for unvaccinated? They are. Yes. It's becoming more and more popular. And I wonder why, right? Yeah. Is it because they're afraid that the... I just watched this clip of this doctor who... Oh, you know who it was? It was the Surgeon General of Florida. It was the Florida Surgeon General said, he's like, we need to relax with these mRNA vaccines because we don't know how this is altering your DNA because there's all these DNA hitching rides to what this RNA and it's going to be changed. So he's like, this is the Surgeon General for us putting this thing out. It's kind of well... Well, so you guys got something called fallostatin. And that was... It was in a mini-circle plasmid, the vector. So vectors are basically a way to carry different genetic material into your body. Right. So the vector we use is called a mini-circle, which comes from E. coli, but there's no live bacteria in there. And the beauty of the mini-circle plasmid is that it's non-immunogenic. So it doesn't trigger your immune system and there's no off-site targets. Versus the COVID vaccine, it's a lipid nanoparticle vaccine. So LNP, Lipid Nanoparticle Vector. And what that does, unfortunately, as we now know, is there's off-site targets and it's immunogenic. And you're using that to transmit the DNA, which is the mRNA. So the problem is the vector itself wasn't that great to begin with. So that's why there's people, and I've seen it clinically, is where people get weird reactions. You're like, why, why is this happening with a vaccine? Like this shouldn't happen. It's because the lipid nanoparticle is having off-site targets and stimulating their immune system in some people. It's not, I'm not saying everyone, but there's obviously some people who have this propensity to be sensitive to it. And so because of that lipid nanoparticle vector, they're getting all these weird side effects that you don't see with other vaccines. Wow. Okay. So you give us the stem cells, the pluripotin ones, and then you said fullesten. Wait, before we go into the fullesten, I want to ask more stem cell questions that I'm curious about because I had such an amazing response from it, like so amazing that it's like, it makes me want more, right? Because it's like, this is the best my psoriasis has ever been since I pretty much have had it. It's not completely gone, but it has been suppressed so much that, of course, I have this desire to have more. Is there like an upper limit or what has stopped me from getting five times? Well, exactly. And there's been trials on this. There's been clinical trials with inflammatory bowel disease, for example, IBD, and they put patients into remission, but some of them ended up needing like eight infusions. Okay. But so they just, they were like, is there an upper limit? That was basically a question. So is this why you were so confident when? Yeah, I was basically like rolling through. I was like, if you're able to see this through, we'll get you there. So, okay. So that's why you were so confident. You're like, I know we're going to get this, is whether we get it in one, two or eight treatments is what you're thinking. And that's where it comes back to like, I think we talked a little bit last time was first principles. Like in physics, first principles is like, okay, where are the laws governing like mechanics and you know, gravity, all that stuff. In biology now, they're called fundamental principles or fundamental hallmarks of aging. But aging is the most complex disease. If you think about it, because if we can cure aging, we can almost treat every other chronic disease because everything else is less complex than aging. And so there's now there's like 12 hallmarks of aging on the most recent kind of papers. And so those 12 hallmarks kind of governed so many different chronic diseases. So they're like, it's like mitochondrial dysfunction, telomere attrition, chronic inflammation, stem cell exhaustion, genomic instability, I could list all of them. But the point is, there's there's there's all these different hallmarks that govern why your body ages. And that's the same thing with psoriasis and many chronic diseases. It's actually it's the immune dysfunction is got dysbiosis. It's chronic inflammation, like it's all these things. And if we're targeting at a cellular level, now we understand that's why we can treat you. And that's why I'm confident with a lot of these treatments, because people are like, how do you know? I'm like, because I know what the underlying causes. It's very different because in medical school, like even though I didn't go to medicine, it's not like I'm like, you know, that old. But like when I went to medical school, they used to teach us that you can't infer just because you have mechanistic basis doesn't necessarily mean that this is going to work in clinically. Sure. But that was I think that was true 10 years ago. But now the science has evolved so much because of what's called single cell resolution, like spatial imaging, where you can actually see down to a cellular level what's happening at like, and you can really understand specific mechanism and target those with peptides, cell therapy, gene therapy, that you can save with good certainty that if we target the specific problem with this intervention, because we know exactly what the problem is, it's going to work. Yeah. But it's a very different way of thinking because it's it's not like the conventional medicals where it's kind of like very system based where it's like, okay, you see a dermatologist. But the dermatologist doesn't know how all the bodies connected in the different like all those different kind of mechanistic ways. The dermatologist just sees a skin problem. And so they give you a cream. Yeah, that just gives you a stare. And that's that's the way we're taught. So so is there a difference though with like stem cell that you like inject in terms of like trying to address like any kind of connective tissue damage or, you know, like if you're just if you're directly targeting localized, yeah, like so it, or is it like, is it the same actual like stem cells themselves? It's just the way the application of it that's different? No, it's yeah. So right now, let's call it first generation stem cells. The so these are culture expanded stem cells from a vocal cord tissue. So we can we can use them into like tendon tears, muscle tears, and we can do direct injections and we can regenerate tissue that works great. That's something we've been doing for like many years, even with just like plasma injections that it can help. But now second generation is where you're going to get more specific cell lines to repair specific tissue. So second generation is what's called the Yamanaka stem cells. So Yamanaka was a Nobel Prize guy and, you know, 10 years ago who figured out cellular reprogramming. So basically he's like, okay, if you overexpress these different transcription factors, you can basically take any somatic cell in your body. So I could take a muscle cell or a skin cell in your body. And I can get a heart or something else. Yeah, exactly. And so it's your base and well reprogram it first into a baby stem cell, which is almost like embryonic in state. And then you can differentiate it into a heart cell or differentiate it into a beta islet cell. I don't know when this happened. It was big news. Yeah. But so basically if you think about it, you're de-aging the cell number one. And number two, you're giving it the potential to differentiate into whatever cell line you want. So for example, some of the research we're doing now. So those are called induced pluripotent stem cells, IPSCs, or for people to remember, I think it's just Yamanaka stem cells. It's easier to remember. So let's say you take a Yamanaka stem cell. And now what we're going to do, for example, is we're going to differentiate them into beta islet cells and then we're going to transplant them into the pancreas for diabetes. So that's one of the trials we're going to be doing later this year. So when I hear this, the, you know, if I were to be like fearful or whatever, I always think like, okay, well, what if you produce a cell that won't stop replicating? Is there a fear of that? Yeah, there is. And that's exactly with IPSCs because the Yamanaka stem cells, the problem is because they're like embryonic, they can grow into tumors or teratomas because they're too strong. They have too much stemness. And that's why the cells you guys got are great because they have a finite ability to how do they do that? How do they make it finite? Because they're Durma Zenkomo in origin. So it's a different cell origin, different lineage. So they can't go in that direction. They can't go in that direction. Whereas Yamanaka stem cells can go in that direction. So the technology we have, there's a gene edit on that technology. So this is this is really cool. It's called synthetic biology. It's basically where you can engineer these cells and you can gene edit them and manipulate them to kind of the way you want. And so these gene edits are done in a way to prevent tumors or uncontrolled proliferation. So that's that's the technology we have. So it's an anti cancer almost. Yeah, it won't cause cancer. Wow. So IPSC, but that's the risk with Yamanaka stem cells. And that's why I would caution people to go because they're still probably a 1% chance that they could turn into tumors without that gene edit. But that the gene edit is a it's a company that has a patent on it. And we're working, they're working exclusively with us to develop different cell lines. Yeah. Okay. So that's the other question I was asked. So yeah, it's like, you know, I know you, I like your trust you like, where do you get your stem cells? Like, where are you getting these supplies? Are they are they from the same places that the the American produce, you know, providers? No, we have our own manufacturing facility in Mexico for for the ones you guys got. And so we control the way stem cells are harvested, obviously tested all that stuff. There's a lot of testing done. But the biggest thing I think to understand is how you grow the stem cells. Because if you don't grow them the right way, that's called replicative stress, like how many passages you do. So how many times you change them from one cell culture flask to another. If you if you take them too many times, it causes stress to the DNA. And then the stem cells can actually be harmful. And a lot of clinics are using cell passages, like six passages, eight passages, some are using 10. We limit ours to three. So and that's something I learned in Asia in Japan, that's what they that's what they do over there. And I was like, how come and they obviously explain. And so the passages is very important. As far as I know, we're the only ones on this side of the world doing that. And so we're limiting the passages and that allows for higher cells by ability. So any time a market like this emerges also out comes all the charlatans and the people. So how does the average consumer know? And of course, what they the charlatans will do is they'll they'll find somebody reputable like you use the information science you talk about. And we have the same stuff. She said the same stuff for 50% off. Yeah, you see that all the time. Yeah, so explain to me. What are they doing? That's probably shady to try to make that happen. And how hard and difficult is it for the person who's seeking this out to know? It's really hard. It's really hard because even a lot of doctors and celebrities, I've had people who like have pretty much, you know, unlimited money and resources and have access to any doctor in the world and they've gone tricked. So if they've gotten tricked, how is the average consumer going to figure it out? And I think I think the biggest thing I would say is if you're going to get these procedures done right now, make sure the person you're going to is doing some sort of active research, like they're not just doing this because if they're only doing this, they're clearly just interested in the money and the business model because right now this is still a very new field and you need to be actively engaged in the research side to really understand the clinical translation side. So like I'm doing multiple clinical trials like in Canada and other places. And so I'm very engaged on the research side, which allows me to kind of liaison with all these amazing scientists from around the world. And I learned from them and then I can learn from them and translate it clinically and I can be like, okay, this is how we can improve our manufacturing process. This is what's coming down the pipeline and just keep trying to improve. Whereas a lot of these stem cell clinics like in Panama and other places, they've kind of just been doing the same shit for like 10 years. And they don't they're not really interested in innovating and they're not really interested in like making money, making money. Yeah. Well, what is it? So what are they? So you said in Japan, they've been doing this now for almost a decade. Yeah. What are they doing them in Japan for? What are the the the applications? So by far, the most common is definitely anti aging, which is similar to what you got the IV stuff, because that's really popular in the Asian community. Now, it's a growing trend, but then cancer is another one. So they're using different type of cell therapies for cancer. So these aren't mesenchymal stem cells, but they're called natural killer cells and dendritic cells, which are part of your innate immune system. So natural killer cells, as the name suggests, they're killers. They help to kill cancer. And then dendritic cells are cells in your immune system that help to present these cancer cells to the natural killers to help your immune system to fight the cancer. So what happens with cancer is it becomes immunovasive. That's one of the hallmarks of it, meaning your immune system can't recognize it and it doesn't. It can't it can't do what it's supposed to be able to do, which is kill these abruin cells. And so this just gives your body kind of like the armor and the mechanisms to kind of fight it off. Are they doing as like an adjuvant therapy to like chemo? Yeah, exactly. A lot of times it works in conjunction or a lot of the patients have tried everything and they're still like looking for last options. And I've had and I saw it in Japan for a stand like they have stage for like pancreatic cancer patients who are still alive 10 years later because they underwent the immunotherapy with natural killer cells and dendritic cells. So after that, I was like, holy crap, there's obviously something to this. So so yeah, what do people typically notice when they when they do this stem cell treatment for, let's say longevity or anti-aging? I mean, I'll talk about we'll talk about our experience. Yeah, yeah. I'm curious to hear what you guys have to say. But what do people normally? Yeah, in general, the biggest thing is recovery, sleep, energy. I would say like those those are like vitality. Vitality. Exactly. Sometimes it is it's obviously very subjective in that sense. But I if you measure HRV, for example, we'll see people after IV stem cells or HRV will improve quite dramatically. So I think just the recovery aspect of your body gets a lot better. And then depending on how chronically inflamed you are, some people like some people actually feel the effects of aging, right? If they're like, I'm achy, I'm stiff, I wake up and kind of slow. And then after doing this stuff, they're like, man, I feel like 10, 15 years younger. So what does that mean that they usually means they're just like they're not as achy, they have more energy, they can they can walk faster, like all these cool things. So I remember it because I did I've always done for my parents and I did it for my dad. And then my father in law was like, because I hadn't done for him yet. And he's like, and then he's on my dad walking. He's like, why is he walking so fast? He's like, what did you do for him? And I was like, so he's like, I want that. So I wish we would, you know, my only regret was that we didn't go do our biological age. Yeah, first did that recently. Yeah. And I'm like, no, that would still be I would still be because the epigenetic changes for the biological age take three months. Oh, so you guys wouldn't have a effectiveness. When did we go when do we come see you December? Okay, so we're okay, then. Yeah. So we can do another one. Hold on a second. Oh, that's exciting. So hold on. When do we feel the full effects then of the stem cells? Is it three months later? 46 months. Yeah. Wow. So what we're feeling now just like early. Yeah, we're not even noticing much. I mean, the follow statin would have kicked in. Yes. But the stem cells fully kick in around four to six months for recovery and sleep and really good. But some people may notice it like he noticed it pretty early, right, which was as but just a big range. So so yeah, interesting. Yeah. Okay, so let's talk about what we all experienced so far because this is only one last one last because I want to stay with the thing that I was asking about, like, you know, doing it all the time. And I know you can't share specific patients. But I would imagine if I was uber wealthy, I would be hooked up to this fucker every month with you. Yeah, I have, I mean, I can talk about Tony Robbins because we posted online like Tony Robbins does IV exosomes every month. And then he does the stem cells every six months. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I feel like he's also worth $500 million, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So what I'm so what I'm so fascinated with then is you telling me that yes, more more is better type of deal. Yes, there's people that do this is like, let's fast forward 15 years from now, like worst exactly. And we're gonna be able to see like my vision for this is you eventually you can go to your like even general practitioner and be like just you go every two years as part of your, you know, annuals and you get these gene and cell therapies done and they're covered by insurance ideally because they're slowing because they're aging as a chronic disease and it's being defined as such now. And if we can treat aging in a meaningful way, you're going to prevent so many other chronic diseases. But then that's not necessarily good for the system, right? Because you're keeping people healthy. Right. Yeah. So they're going to buy it. Okay. So your sense of everybody I've ever talked to you, you have to have the most experience knowledge, hands on stuff with with anti aging. And there's a lots of stuff online and people touting, oh, we're going to live to 130 and like, what's your belief on like our generation and the generation coming back? Like what what stem cell therapy is going to do for us as far as a species like living longer? Well, because of the cellular reprogramming, it's it's real is really possible that we can reprogram yourselves to a very previous like DH state. And that's something that can happen I think in our lifetime. So I'm not saying we're going to live forever, but I think we could definitely push the boundaries well into our hundreds where we're living a high quality of life, meaning we have loss of energy, we have lost the strength vitality, even in our hundreds. Wow. So that's what I see. Interesting. That just with the current therapies, I think with the right, right, that's not even saying what does it involve in 10 exactly? Because imagine, imagine you can come this is what I think would be the craziest thing. We can basically sell your reprogram all your old cells and make them all young again. How often do you get some cells? I do them every year. Yeah, so every year you just took yourself off. Yeah. And then I do the IV exosomes every six months, which are where included in your guys. Now, what's exosomes? So exosomes are so if I would say if you have chicken soup, the chicken, the meat part is the stem cells and the broth is the exosomes. So it's kind of the broth that the stem cells grow in. So they don't there's no cells in there, but they have all the cytokines, all the growth factors and anti inflammatory signals. So because there's no cells, they're not going to last as long because the cells are what signal to your immune system to have that reprogramming effect, but they still have a anti inflammatory effect and deaging effect. And if you put them in combination with the stem cells, there's synergy. Is there a reason to ever do one without the other? Yeah, sometimes we do. I mean, it's really price to be honest, but exosomes are cheaper. So I would say if some people can't, you know, they can't if they can only afford one thing, then we'll just do the exosomes often. Interesting. Alright, you want to talk about what you felt? Well, no, I mean, I think you should start because yours was the most profound so far. And I didn't even know that we didn't feel the full effect. Definitely the most visible. That's for sure. Yeah, I mean, we all see it because he's got he's got I mean, his, his, uh, psoriasis. I mean, he's obvious. Yeah. And he's been showing us every day. And it's like, whoa, yeah, that is weird. I mean, I, I quickly, I noticed, uh, within 48 hours. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, like it was that means your body was probably in an acutely flamed inflamed setting. Yeah, it was it was. So I got like really excited. I was like, oh, my God, this is for sure going if he's like, it was starting to go. I definitely feel like I'm I've the results slowed down like they were like it felt like week over week. I'm like, oh my God, this is just happening. It's going away. It's going away. It's going away. And now I feel like and there's like spots like I have five spots that are gone. They're just they were there. Now they're gone. Really? And then my bad. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, like I had spots on my head that were super embarrassing ones on his legs. Yeah. And even like the spot on my shin is almost completely like you you could actually only tell because the coloration of my skin is different. Like it's like that's the one you keep showing doesn't look raised anymore. Yeah, it's not raised at all. It's really it's just like a lighter color. And I bet you if I actually were that's the one that you always show us. You always showing us. Yeah, yeah. That's the one that I've noticed. The one on my rib cage, which is my my worst site again, is completely shrunk down, has been suppressed. It's not as raised at all. But it's I feel like it's kind of staying right right there, which is what I was when I as soon as he walked in, I'm like, I want to do it again. I want to see the leap from that. So yeah. So of course, for out of us, I had like a visual thing. Yeah. Right. So it's much easier because I know like vitality could be so subjective. Yeah, exactly. You know, it's like, oh, yeah, am I sleeping better? Do I have more energy? Yeah. So but I can definitely attest to I notice all those things too. Like I feel like my my skin looks younger. I feel like sleep is better. I just feel like I have more consistent energy through the day. But of course, I was there for the psoriasis. And so and that of all the interventions that I've tried, nothing has progressed it this well, this fast. And then the other thing that I was telling you off air that I find really interesting too is like, not only is it making it it better visually, but one of the biggest challenges in anybody who has psoriasis can attest to this is like, just not itching it. Oh, right. Yeah. And of course, every dermatologist would say don't itch it try to do that because then you're just scabbing it over and you're making it worse. But anybody who's had this will tell you like, good luck. Yeah. You know, good if you're laying in bed and your psoriasis itches, you ain't falling asleep. Like it's it will it'll drive you crazy. And I I've had moments where I'm like, I'm trying to discipline myself from not scratching. And I'm like, all around it. I'm like trying to touch it. But I'm like scratching the rest of my body hoping it'll give me some relief. And it never does until you finally do. What this has done is it's it's eliminated that like I don't even have a desire to itch it, which that makes me go like, oh wow, that's that that means something internally has got to be happening that is not allowing it to flare up nearly as bad. So not only is it going away, but whatever mechanism was causing me to flare and then want to scratch because I used to tell the guys that I would know when I ate something that was an offender, because within one hour, I wouldn't have to itch. So like I could be going the day fine, like let's say I'm fasted, which I would do this to where I would fast every once in a while for a day. And obviously I'm good. And then I would start to introduce foods. And as long as I chose certain foods, I would be good. And then I would eat something that I knew that was a potential offender. And then like clockwork within 45 minutes to an hour. I'm like wanting to itch where I've not been perfect at all with my diet since we've done this. And I don't have that at all, which is fascinating. And that that to me is one of the take home messages. It's building resiliency in your body. Because the reality is we have something like 86,000 toxins in our environment now. And so the amount of toxins that we're exposed to on a daily basis is only increasing. And it's not going to change. Let's be honest, the food supply, you guys have talked about this at length, right? The food, you know, the environment, plastics, mycotoxins, like mold. So how do you build your body to be able to put up and have resiliency to deal with all this? Because a lot of people are just like, they're almost so fragile that they can't they're like, they have to eat such a small limited number of foods, they have to be so careful about how they live their life. And I'm like, man, you're not even like living life then anymore at that point, right? So it's like how to and that's why for me, as a minimalist and also as like someone who kind of went had a sensitive some sensitivities before too, I was like, I want to live like as close to normal life as I can. It's like, what's going to have the most impact on my body? It's going to be this type of stuff where it's actually reprogramming your body, right? And that's kind of the idea with like the transplanting the new gut bacteria too, right? Instead of a problem, because problem of probiotics is they're transitory, they don't they don't actually repopulate and change your gut long term. So that's influenced your microbiome, but they don't they don't repopulate. No. And so that's why you have to transplant new gut bacteria. That's a gut transplant. You do that too? Yeah, we're gonna have it ready. We have a third party, but we're manufacturing our own. How does that work? It's just a pill. It's just it's just how does a transplant versus like why would why does that transplant and other probiotic because they come from human. So it's specifically human. I've read all the studies but now it's actually something that's an option. Yeah, no, it's it's and the issue was always accessibility because you had to go to like, there's maybe like only a few clinics in the world and you had to do with a colonoscopy and like it's like how many people are really going to do that, right? And now with the new technology, you can lipophilize them. So basically like dry freeze them and then you can you can store it indefinitely a shelf stable and then you just take it's like a two week course that we're going to have that's going to be available. How do you not get to opt in on like some super athlete or yeah, no, so there's actually very interesting. There was somebody with gold poop. No, no, there was a there was a. I want Bo Jackson. Yeah, yeah. So that's actually that's in our pipeline. So our first generation FMT is it was called FICO microbial transplant. We're going to come up with a better name because I think they'll like, you know, scare people probably kind of like gut renewal or something. Make a little more, you know, but it's funny you said that because there was a there was a Taiwanese like Olympic weightlifter champion and she was she happened to also be a microbiologist. So and PhD scientist. So she like, I'm just like, who are these superhumans? But basically, so she she was like, I want to test my like poop and microbiome. And then they found that she had this X, like this unique strain and they call it now is published literature is called Olympic Bifidobacterium 01 like OLP 01 is what they call it. And basically, when you transplant that into other people, it increases cardiovascular fitness. What's like significantly. And this is published data out there. So we're going to make an athletic package where you do FMT, where you do FMT shut your face. Yeah, and follow statin together and you increase standard strength and cardiovascular you know what's going to happen. They're gonna have pictures of the athletes they got the poop from. Oh, what? Yeah, three times Mr. Olympia. I'll take that one overlooking back like picture from on the toilet. Yeah. Wow, that dude looks awesome. I want his poop. How do you not get pathogens, right? Because like, you know, everybody knows you don't eat poop. Yeah, no, no. There's a whole process. My so Dr. Caroline Ganibas, she's our human microbiome scientist. So she has a whole IP like proprietary process on how to donor select, how to capsule, how to how to store them everything like A to Z in terms of manufacturing. The donor selection cracks me up. So there's literally people who work for these companies. Yeah, they do full time poop donation. There are people in the US who are doing that now. Well, they get pretty decent. They get I think they can make like sick figures. So many opportunities out there. Job for it. That's insane. Okay, so back to Adam. So he was also you also gave him a peptide called GHK. Yeah, but why we're talking about mine and the surprises for the audience so they can hear you because you've explained to me multiple times. And I don't even want to try to attempt, but explain the mechanism that's happening specifically for me and Siris is right. I have an auto immune is tacked my body. You put these stem cells in me. What is happening that's causing it to to get better? Why might it kind of plateau and why I might need more like kind of explain what what's happening? Yeah, so auto immunity between different auto immune conditions, there's probably more similarities and there is differences. And I think that's where a lot of people get kind of choked up is like, they go to the rheumatologists or they go to their specialists and then they're treating because they're so siloed, right? They're kind of like, it depends on what specialist you go to, like for multiple sclerosis, you'll go to neurologists for psoriasis, you'll go to dermatologists for like lupus or rheumatoid arthritis, you'll go to rheumatologists. But the reality is all these different auto immune conditions actually have a lot of similarities. So and that's what we're trying to treat. And that's why a lot of people are like, how are you treating all these different conditions? It's not because it's not because I'm like, you know, I have the knowledge set of all these different specialists is because I'm thinking differently from them. And what we're looking at is, okay, you have immune dysfunction. So where is this immune dysfunction coming from? The two biggest things are the thymus gland, and then the gut. So because the gut is where most of your immune system is stored. And then the thymus gland is kind of where your immune system goes to get trained. So that's where the T cells learn how to target. And then but there's something called T regulatory cells, T reg. And so T reg cells are so important in your body for maintaining what's called immuno tolerance or immuno homeostasis, let's call it to prevent your body from attacking itself. And so what happens is T regs become dysfunctional in autoimmune conditions. And then they start becoming obviously this de-starking other kind of things, depending on what vulnerabilities and genetics you have, like for you, you obviously develop psoriasis, but other people may develop lupus. And so and one of the very interesting things now we we've in the just in the past two years and have come out is muscle is very protective for autoimmunity because of T reg cells. So it up regulates T reg cells and their functions. So that's part of the reason why putting on muscle and not just training cardio is so important for patients with autoimmune conditions. But a lot of times auto immune condition patients are in this kind of vicious cycle where they don't have energy, they know, you know, they can't because they're in pain or whatever. And they lose muscle gets worse. Exactly, they're stuck. And that's why we do we have to break them out of that cycle and then it's so life changing for them. So in your case, the reason why it worked and the reason why it's helping is because it's reducing inflammation in the gut is reducing inflammation in the thymus is that promoting your immune system to work better. And so that's why you're reducing this in chronic inflammation. And then we add those bio regulators on those peptides to promote function of the thymus land. That's why you're on thymus and alpha one and all that other stuff to kind of work synergistically and like the last kind of missing piece is the actual microbes. And that's why transplanting new gut bacteria will be great for you because you're basically helping to replenish the gut bacteria because the gut really has like two really broad issues. One is like leaky gut or chronic inflammation, intestinal permeability. And then the other is dysbiosis, which is an imbalance in the bacteria. They're both connected, right? Exactly. And so we're the IV stem cells is treating one, but transplanting the new gut bacteria is kind of the other piece. Well, so I read read something that said that 60 percent of people that suffer from autoimmune disorders also had childhood trauma. Yeah. Do you think that's just correlation or do you think there's something there? No, I so we're doing this procedure called the vagus nerve and we're doing it for so many patients with chronic pain, autoimmune conditions. It started out so. So explain the biggest yeah, I'll give a little bit of history of it because. So there's something called a stellar ganglion block that's been around for maybe 20 years. A stellar ganglion block has been done by many doctors and it's essentially an injection into the stellar ganglion in the neck area, which feeds into your sympathetic nervous system, which is kind of your fight or flight. Right. So if you're if you're fighting for PTSD people, they've been doing exactly. Yeah. So it's called an SGB block. It's been around for a long time. And so what we did was we're like, OK, that's great. But is there something we can do that would help this to last longer? And so there's a doctor, Dr. Jonathan Coo, who I work with in the States and Dr. Matt Cook, who kind of were looking at Vegas nerve. And so that's where I learned that, hey, if you intervene on the Vegas nerve and the stellar ganglion together, now you're not only innovating on the sympathetic nervous system. The Vegas nerve feeds into the parasympathetic nervous system. Parasympathetic is relaxed or digest. So it's kind of the and you know, the opposite of the sympathetic and a lot of people in modern day, especially with trauma, are in sympathetic overdrive. Right. So they're in this hyper arous straight state. They're irritable, they're anxious, some of them can't, you know, obviously sleep issues, all sorts of stuff. And then you can only imagine what effect that has on your body over years. If you're in this hyper arous state, what's that going to do to your immune system? And we know now that the nervous system and the immune system are connected. And so what we do instead of just injecting anesthetic, which suppresses your sympathetic tone for three months, which is great. I mean, it's still helpful, but it's pretty temporary. So what we do is we inject peptides and exosomes into the vagus nerve, so that helps to modulate or restore vagus nerve dysfunction and helps your parasympathetic relaxation system. And then we inject peptides and anesthetic into the stelliganglion. So that helps to not only suppress it, but has a long term reprogramming effect. Yeah. So in the vagus nerve is basically the highway between the brain and the gut. Yeah, that's how it's communicating. Yes, exactly. So that's why I've had patients with like gastroparesis, chronic gut issues, all sorts of stuff get better with the vagal nerve. The most interesting, I mean, aside from like anxiety and trauma, I've had patients like with chronic pain after the vagus nerve injection, you're like, my pain's gone. I'm like, really? Like it wasn't the reason I was doing it. It's just it's so interesting that there's obviously this connection between inflammation and and the vagus nerve. It's so weird that you brought this up because I literally have been reading about polyvagal theory because I have these gut issues that just keep popping up and I'll treat them, they'll go away and they just keep popping up. And I'm reading about polyvagal theory and how the vagus nerve is affecting all that because there's rest digest. There's fight or flight. But there's also some called freeze and fawn. That's the other one that they've identified, which some people when they when they're in that state, they don't fight or flight, they freeze. They just in that they don't do anything. Yeah, right. And I've had many I've had many patients with like panic attacks. I think we're talking about like I had a pro golfer. His name is Matt Wolf. He wrote he he he wrote us a review so I can talk about him. But he's he has one of the fastest golf swings in the world. And he was having performance anxiety when he was playing away games. And so we did the vagal vagus nerve treatment for him. And now he's playing like the best golf he's played in years. So because it's just you're you're you're in a more you're less aroused arousable, right. And so I had it done on myself. I'm not like a super anxious person, but I have a lot of stress in my life just like everyone does. And so it just it kind of chills you out a little bit. That's why I mean that's why I did it for my wife to chill her out a little bit. OK, so here's my questions with that. If you did the treatment with the vagus nerve and you're not as aroused, does that mean you're not going to be able to get as aroused? Like I can't go if weight's heavy. I can't get no, no, exactly. Because it's OK. And you guys know this because you guys are so familiar with peptides. Peptides only kind of work where they need to and what they need. And same thing with exosomes. It's all about they're not going to do anything if there's nothing to do. It's not forcing it's not forcing something. Exactly. And so that's why the beauty. That's why I like this whole regenerative medicine field because it's all about kind of reprogramming or rebooting or trying to take the body into a previous state. Wow, right. And that's that's kind of the whole idea of what now what's the what peptide would you inject into it? So I use so I use BPC 157 GHK and then also TB4 or TB 500. So does it makes because it's a they have because they kind of have synergistic effects in terms of cellular signaling because like they work different pathways and work together. They have a it's a really nice way to kind of restore function to dysfunctional nerves and to dysfunctional soft tissue and tendons. So I was using BPC 157 and thymus and beta four but just systemically I didn't inject it in anywhere specifically just under the skin and I got leaner and stronger and had a different quality to the way my body looked. It just it took a little time. But I started to notice that I just like everything looked a little different. And yeah, because I kept telling these guys like this is wild. Well, yeah. And as you get older because the peptides are naturally occurring in your body and a lot of them as you get older decrease. And that's why the fall of statin, which I'm sure we'll talk about in a second, what we did with the gene therapy is it's basically just a delivery mechanism to restore your fall statin levels back to like when you were like 18. And that's all it's doing. It's a naturally occurring thing in your body. And so we're going to make different gene therapy products. We're going to make one for BPC. We're going to make one for GHK. We're going to make one for DP4. We're doing all that. We're going to do all them. So that way that way you don't have to inject yourself every day. You just do one injection. You're good fun fact on thymus and alpha, which you talked about that you gave a little bit to Adam. They put they they block the production of that during covid. I don't know if I'm going to do that. Awesome. The one thing that has been shown to be super effective in Russia. Thymolin and thymus and alpha one. All of a sudden you couldn't get it. They stopped it. Interesting. And you know, there was over. I talked about this during covid was there was over 40 randomized control trials on like intravenous stem cells and exosomes for covid. Yet not one media outlet ever talked about stem cells or exosomes to treat covid like not only long covid but for acute covid in the hospital. You can help so many people and exosomes are pretty inexpensive to manufacture and they could scale those, especially if the government was to subsidize it. But we put them on ventilators. Wow. So it's just yeah, it's really. All right. So let me so. So the other thing too, Adam was using GHK. That's another peptide that he's using. Yeah. Technically, a bioregulator as well. So it is a bioregulator are basically something that helped to improve organ function too. OK. So they're not just acting on like signals and they're actually helping with organ function. Now GHK helps with the regeneration process of like the skin and hair follicles and all that stuff. Right. Yeah. Is that what's happening with that? And what's what is it isn't that isn't that in the cream and then also in the injectable? Yeah. Yeah. Copper peptide is I mean, a lot of top a lot of companies now cosmetic companies are using copper peptide in there. But the problem is the concentration is always so low. So I was using some on my head for hair growth because supposedly it grows and it made my hair darker. Interesting. Yeah. So I don't know if it's because of the copper or I don't know what the deal is. But I noticed my hair was getting darker as a result. So I don't know. I'm asking you. My tripping or something going on. No, no. I mean the reason for graying hair they sometimes it's a lot like you need more copper. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then they've they've they've learned that the cellular basis for it has to do with stem cells becoming in a senescent. So certain stuff cells actually become senescent. And then they and then they're the ones responsible for melanin production. And then that's why your hair starts to gray. If you can make those stem cells not be senescent anymore then you can get rid of gray hair. So that's that's one of the things where one of the cell lines we're working on are you know that Yamanaka stem cell technology I was telling you about. So we're going to differentiate them into hair dermal papillae cells. So basically the progenitor cells are going to regrow new hair follicles. So we're going to have hair loss for hair loss. Yeah. So we so I'm actually that's a project where now would you have to inject that locally? Like someone's yeah, but you would inject it just into the scalp and then you could regrow new hair. Wild. OK, look at that. I'm so excited to fix this surprise. So much potential. So here's what I noticed up from everything. I noticed a lot of my skin. My skin seemed to feel a lot. It just felt more youthful. And my wife has been even saying she's like, man, your skin and I didn't have bad skin before. She always commented on my skin, but it looked a lot better. And then I noticed just I would say nothing profound but like a consistent 10 to 15 percent improvement in overall energy that I just have been feeling. I'm just feeling more just almost like I was like in my early 30s it kind of felt like where I just got a little bit more energy throughout the day. It was a big thing. But I had no major issues like Adam. So yeah, how's your how's your strength? Has have you seen changes in that yet? You know, I haven't been able to push myself super hard, but generally speaking, I am stronger like I would be if I was more on point. So I know how strong I can be when I'm hit on all cylinders and I know where my strength is when I'm under a lot of stress or whatever like I have been. And my strength is like it is when I'm right running on all cylinders, even though right now I'm going through tremendous stress in my life. So that's something that I thought I thought what I thought was even is was just as profound in this also the neural drive. Yeah, what's interesting was interesting for me. So I'm like that probably the opposite of Sal right now, like he's a super consistent. He's always really, really consistent. As long as I've known, I've never seen him miss a week of working out where I've had many bouts of since we've been on this podcast of weeks of not working out at all. And so I've been very inconsistent about my training and but I've been doing this for so long. I know what it feels like when I get back to being consistent, right? And I know those first few workouts, what a struggle it is and the recovery on it, how weak I feel, even like workouts will even make me feel a little lightheaded and nauseous when you first start at the very beginning of getting back into your that was all gone, which was really interesting to me. It's like what I know what a kind of like the first workout of getting back into the swing of things was going to feel like I felt like amazing. I felt like I'd already been working out for like four weeks consistently. So that was really profound and interesting. And then I come running in here after a day that I would like the first day that I did like inclined bench press. Again, a movement I've done a million times. One of the things I've never been good at what I've never been good at leg drive with the bench press. Just never been able to like what they say connect from your feet all the way up is and I've practiced the technique a thousand times and just have never felt like, oh, I'm getting extra strength from my legs for the first time in my life. And it was literally the first set. Just get out of there and I'm not even like trying to be any hard. I'm not even going like, oh, this is supposed to help this. I just do it. I'm like, whoa, I can feel like I'm connected to my feet all the way down. And then I came out to him. I was like, hey, did Dr. Kahn say this was supposed to do something with neural drive or something like that? And then I shared with him like, dude, this is what I feel. And I've never felt that before. I was really fascinated by that. Like that was interesting. Yeah, the neurological drive. That's why a lot of that's the fall of statin. Yeah, that's the fall of statin. So the hockey players, football players. And then Devon Lariat, probably the guy who benefited the most from World Champion Armwrestler. And he actually made a post. He thanked me on stage when he won. He's like, thank you, Dr. Kahn, which was I was like, OK, wow. Because he because he won number one again, and he's 48. And he said the fall of statin made him feel like he was 20 years younger. So that's what you're reminding me of working out when I was 17, 18 years old. Yeah, it's because that neurological firing and that that's what that's my favorite part, too, because I'm like, you know, I'm stressed. I'm traveling. I'm doing a lot of things. And like, it's cool that I can just jump into a gym and not feel like, you know, I've been out of here for like weeks or something. It's different than like a testosterone. No, exactly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's nothing like that. Yeah, it was like for me, it was more I felt kind of normal in terms of like just a little more energetic, I would say. But, you know, once I got into actually exercising, it was like, this is weird. I felt like I could do probably like five more reps. We were normally right here. I would stop and it just became one of those things where I was experimenting with other exercises. It was the same across the board, at least like a 10 to 20 pound increase on most of the lifts. I just normally, which is a lot for an experienced lifter, right? Oh, that's you. So false statin is that is inversely related with myostatin. That's right. Yeah. So that's the main that is that the main mechanism of action? It's reducing your myostatin, which is a muscle growth limiter. Yes. Okay. That's the main for mechanistic energy. I mean, strength benefits. Okay. But so that and that's why the bodybuilding community knows about false statin. Like they've heard a lot of them have been experimenting with it and trying it for years and years. But the problem with the peptide that you order off wherever it's it's just a peptide. It's not a gene therapy. And so the half life of false statin is 90 minutes. You have to inject it like three times a day or more. Well, it's 20 times 10 times a day and wake up in the middle of the night and like for it for you to replicate what the gene therapy is doing. We're just keeping your false statin levels at a steady level. And now yours is essentially just always now it's just always in us. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So the cool thing about this gene therapy because when people think gene therapy, they're like, are you editing my genome? That's a CRISPR, right? CRISPR is what actually editing your genome. You can have offsite targets. There's risk with that. But this is a gene therapy because we're inserting a foreign plasmid. But it's only it's only staying in that local. So we inject you guys like in your arms, right? So it's only staying in that local site. So only the local cells are transformed with that plasmid vector. And then it's just producing more of the false statin, which then goes systemic. Exactly. So my left shoulder is not going to be bigger. No, exactly. Yeah. That's what Mikhail I thought. She's like, it's my arm going to get bigger. No, no. And is there any value of doing more of that or more frequently? Or is it like it saturates? So that's why I gave you guys two dosages, because that after that doesn't seem to do much more. It doesn't do anything more. Yeah, you can inject. I've tried it on myself. I've done like four dosages. My kind of guy. That's what I would do if I was a doctor. I mean, what you explain, I think is one of the I think probably the the simplest way for me to explain to someone is especially being that we're in our in our forties now. There's a clear difference to how I feel like when I'm deconditioning and I get back and get back to the gym versus when I was 20 years old and like when I was 20, I could have had been off for three months. I could have had terrible sleep that before eating like terrible, getting the gym, do my thing. And there's I don't have any right awful feelings. It's just getting back in. So I'm weaker. So what? I don't I don't think about, oh, my God, this is rough in your forties. One of your off for that period of time to get back in. There's always this like ramping up of like, oh, man, this is it didn't feel that way at all. It felt like I was 20 again, getting back. Which is, boy, I could see the value of that for someone who's just like really starting. I know we all because we consider ourselves advanced, experienced lifters. We're looking for the 10, 15 percent gains. But I mean, I could imagine somebody who's in their forties or fifties who hasn't been lifting for a long time, the feeling of how much it'll help with compliance. That's that's what I really believe because imagine you just get more better feedback because a lot of people have a hard time sticking to the gym because like, I'm not really seeing the results. And because this is just it makes the results come that much faster and you feel better when you recover. Yeah. So here's another. I mean, this is all subjective, but, you know, and people this is going to be hard to explain for people who don't exercise consistently for years and years and years. But there's a there's a once I hit my forties, I just noticed my skin looked a little different as I got really lean. Like I would see a little bit of wrinkling in certain areas, the knee, maybe the gut or whatever. And you see this with older athletes that get really shredded. The skin doesn't look the same. Slowly, what's happened to me is and I said this before with my skin, it's looking like younger. It's really weird. I have the look and I told these guys it's starting to look the way that it used to, which it wasn't bad at all, but it's just starting to look a lot different as we continue, which is really weird to me. So it's all making sense now. Yeah, no, exactly. And that's just because of the immunomodulation effect because of inflammation, which is one of the obviously drivers of skin and muscle aging. But wait till we get our copper peptide gene therapy. So that will be available next year. Well, you guys can do that. Wow. And the copper and the gene therapy will keep your copper levels back to restoring them for 18 to 24 months. And copper is obviously stimulates collagen production, keeps your skin youthful. I think that will be our biggest product just because cosmetics is cosmetics. And you know, you'll notice that. Yeah, even the copper peptide you can get. You can get copper peptide G H K topical and you get a good brand even noticed within like two times. Yeah, two days. You can see a difference. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's one of the I mean, I think you're you're was it your wife? No, your wife, who did the facial? Yeah. Yeah. And then, yeah, we gave her the copper peptide cream afterwards. Yeah. Are you starting to piece together from this podcast? How often Sal tells us about how good he looks? Tell the guys. Tell the guys. Tell the guys. Well, you know what it is? I talk a lot about little things. I notice they make fun of me. Yeah. You feel everything. You notice everything. I just pay attention. It's so subtle. It's so subtle things. Yeah, weird. My clothes just come off. I was just looking at myself in the mirror and I couldn't help notice. Well, what I'd noticed, OK, was like, honestly, it was really weird because one of my food insensitivities across the board was just like completely offensive. How did you how did you test? Did you? So I went through this whole protocol. It was like a three month protocol, actually six months even, but went through elimination diets and have gone through this whole process for trying to target and figure out like I have like really bad acid reflux and this has just been a chronic problem of mine since I can even remember and would interrupt sleep. And then again, it's this vicious cycle. You don't get sleep. And then I'm just constantly inflamed. Not even realizing how inflamed my whole body is all the time. Like so that was the other things people are noticing to like, oh, your face looks leaner. I think it's just the inflammation. Yeah. Levels have just gone down dramatically. But it it like absolved one of my food intolerances like dairy in general. I can eat it. I can drink it. I can and I was like really slow, cautious, you know, kind of going in and then went full ham, you know, and had a slice of cheesecake. Yeah. Like I ate like a ton, like some mimolettes on my favor. I ate like a ton of it like and anyways, I'm a little crazy, but I still do have like, so I still react a bit to gluten and some some bits of like, you know, wheat and grains and whatnot. So that was one of those things that's interesting that like that one, it seems to be like completely nonoffensive anymore. But now, you know, I'm still kind of working my way through that one. But that was the progress to me. That was huge because I was like so depressed when I got the results of cheese was like killing me. I mean, that's life changing, obviously changes the quality of life. Why aren't these like just so why aren't they widely available? Like why why is it so hard to find this kind of stuff? Yeah, I mean, I think one person who has gone in-depth through this is John Abraham Abrahamson. He's he wrote a book called Sickening and he was on Lex Friedman's podcast. And he he's a great guy who he basically explains how Big Pharma has what's called a revolving door with the regulatory bodies. Yes, they do. So you know what that means. People work in the FDA. We used to work for Pfizer or whatever and they go back to the FDA and they're promised these massive salaries. It's very interesting. Yeah. So and he's obviously the expert on that. But the gist of it is that these therapies are going to take away from hospitals, right? Orthopedic surgeries, which are a huge revenue generator. And that's what we treat a lot of. And you know, I have many pro athletes who come to me for that. And there's a reason, right? Because they're orthopedic surgeon on their team and the institutions that represent these teams are all in the they're all in the same both together. And they all just want to kind of keep that narrative going, which is that surgery is the only option or pills are the only option. I'm not saying this works for everyone for everything. It's just something that should be offered and have a specialist consult to see if maybe you're a candidate for it. Yeah, because right now to see you, someone would have to see you. They can't see you in the States, right? No, it's it's FDA banned peptides now, right? So even with a big part of my practice is peptides and I can't even prescribe them anymore. So I'm essentially like barred like it just doesn't make sense for me to work here or in Canada anymore because they're they're kind of the same health Canada and FDA. So because we saw you in Mexico, so you're there. Yeah, and then Dubai and then Switzerland and London actually because of Brexit, they're they're they're actually having some changes in their regulatory stuff. What have you noticed the biggest have the biggest impact on the people you're working with? Is it always a stem cell? I mean, so I think from as I'm an intervention list interventional doctor, I like to inject people. I do interventions to help people. I'm an interventional pain doctor sports medicine by training. And so my reason I went to interventional medicine is because I really find it rewarding when I get to actually do something with my hands and make a big difference in people's lives. And so the the biggest nerve injection I think has been the most rewarding because it's immediate and whereas stem cells sometimes can take months and months and I'm just an inpatient person. So I'm like, come on, I want to see but it is amazing to see people's life change with that. But I've literally had people's lives change with an injection that takes five to 10 minutes and they're no longer suicidal. I had a guy who's a special forces operative. He trained like the he's he has a he trained the guy who has the longest sniper shot in the world. And so it's like 3.2 kilometers something crazy. And he's like he's like he is mentor. And so this guy himself is obviously elite level special forces guy. And he had terrible PTSD. And he's in his forties Canada being the place where it is failed the medications. They're like, well, I guess you can go do medically assisted suicide or made or made as it's called medical assisted dying. So crazy. I can't believe they do that. But anyway, I know. And a veteran who sacrificed and you know health. What's crazy is they've now included people with mental health issues in that category. Yeah. So being suicidal qualifies you now to. What is that right? And so crazy. And so that's, you know, for me I was kind of like this is really disheartening like is there something I can do. And so that's how I got into this whole mental health stuff was because I'm an interventional doctor. And I'm not a psychiatrist, but I was like interventionally trained. And so that's where my head went was a Vegas nerve and, you know, exosomes peptide all this stuff. So that's that's what we did for him. And literally 10 minutes later he was in the parking lot because my the guy who brought him the health coach. He told me he was crying. And he's like, this is the first time I've had relief in years. Really? 10 minutes later. Is it a painful injection because it's a nerve? Is it? It's not like peripheral nerves. It's not like you're going to it's not like that. It's just there might sometimes you might get a little bit pain into your shoulder. But most of the time people are like, that was barely anything. It's like a little pinch. You feel it and then it's done. Like it literally takes five minutes. It's so crazy. I'm literally reading all about this right now because how important is the Vegas nerf? Well, I mean, when I'm reading about this and people can look this up. I'm not not even close to like privy on it. But so far what I've read is I mean, you when you develop trauma, whether it's one big trauma or lots of little traumas, this nerve, I mean, it basically operates under your awareness. So it's like an automatic thing that's happening in your brain, your body. And by the time you're aware of it, it's too late. Oh, shit. I'm anxious. There it is. Now that's it. I can't do anything about it. Exactly. Chronic Vegas nerve dysfunction is so common. And after COVID, it's a long COVID is a it's a common thing with that too. So now even more people have it. Wow. Wow. That's this is crazy. OK, so it's going to be interesting. I mean, I'm really curious to try. I want to do that. If it's connected to like I went back to my sister and I both have these she has endometriosis. So that's what she suffers from. And it's interesting that we both had this got obviously similar childhood, right? And so yet very, very different diets and everything else lifestyle while as the only thing we share in common is the household that we grew up in. And so there's a part of me that wonders. And then I wonder because I feel like, man, I don't have any stress. I don't feel like I have anxiety. But is that just because I've adapted so well? You're disconnected. And it's subconsciously. Your nervous system remembers. Right. Like, so is it and it holds it? It holds it. Right. That's why it is operating at a different level. That's why the release can be so life changing for people. I can't help share this story because it was like two weeks ago. I had this girl. She's she's like 23, 24. She's doing her PhD and she had to stop doing her PhD because of severe anxiety. And she was getting panic attacks and she came to a point where she was suicidal. So she was she was literally before she came to see me. She was at a hospital admitted for suicidal ideation. And so I was like, man, I don't know if I'm going to be able to really help her. Because it's so severe. And then 10 minutes after the injection, she started crying and saying that I feel relief for the first time in two years. Because it was just on. It was just hyper arousal. It was just on. And this just helps to stop that arousal. It's unbelievable. Some people aren't that fast. Obviously, some people may take a few weeks because it's a little more low grade. But for people who are acutely PTSD trauma, have that nervous system dysfunction, man, it's it's it's unbelievable. Now, do you think there's any because you are you we talk to think when you're at my house or we were talking about like ketamine therapy and psilocybin? Yeah, we combine. It kind of gets your body ready for that, right? Because if you're Vegas and if you're in this hyper arous state, it's going to be harder for you to do those assisted therapies because harder for you to go into that relaxed conscious, you know, subconscious state. So what we recommend is we do this and then we send them off for psilocybin assisted or whatever. So here's the analogy that I would use around this. Again, I've been reading a lot about this, but when we train people and if they have a movement pattern issue and let's say there's a muscle that is it's tight, it's tight because a central nervous system identifies that that this this particular joint or movement pattern feels unsafe. And so what we would do as a trainer is we would do what's called correctional exercise. Unfortunately, sometimes they can't even do the movement properly because their CNS doesn't feel safe. So what we'll do is foam roll or deep tissue massage, press on the muscle. And what that does is it literally temporarily turns that CNS signal off, gets that muscle to kind of chill. Then we can do the correctional exercise and develop a new recruitment pattern. So the analogy here would be like Vegas nerve, get that to chill out for a second, then do the therapy so that we can rewire exactly rewire the nervous system. It's a great analogy. And that's exactly what you can use that if you want. I love it. Definitely got to take that. Well, really, it's not necessary. I mean, and just for the nerds that will get on here and try and correct that, it's not that it's turning it off. It's calming it down. Yes. Because they're still a central nervous system connection. Correct. It's that it's overactive, which is why. That's when you have a non-hygienic. It's modulated. And that's the whole that's the word I always like to use modulated, right? That's the theme of this discussion, right? Immunomodulation for your immune system, nervous system modulation, right? It's all about reprogramming. OK. So so we should see more benefits over the next few months then since we haven't even settled. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And the benefits with recovery, sleep and all that stuff can be more profound after a few months. Wow. What did you say? The poo pills are ready again? They should be ready by April. I should call it that by April. Yeah. You got to send some. Got renewal. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, for sure. We all want to get you good. Yeah, yeah. No, I don't want to. You guys, you guys want that. A looking athlete's poop. What's the poop? What happens if you drop a capsule? Surprise me. How do you want to know? Yeah. Well, the pills run. No, they're dry for us. They're dry for you still. Sounds like a stupid question. But you guys have to be real tight. I already have a hard time taking pills. I'm going to have a real hard time taking pills. Worse than fish burps after all. Yeah. Do you change supplements? But think about the, there's a company that just got approved to do a fast track FDA approval in the state. So they are becoming more accessible. So I had, do you guys know Nick Mitchell? Mm-hmm. The ultimate performance guy, UP. He was a good friends with Paul Quinn. Oh, yeah, I've seen his stuff. He has a theory that he thinks the pills, those FMT pills will be the most prescribed medicine in 10 years. Wow. And I agree with him. I could see that because we'll have so many different versions by then and there'll be so many different uses for it. And we all know the gut is where a lot of problems start, right? Yeah, yeah. Do you have a lot of professional athletes that you just can't talk about because they come see you and they can't? I think it's such a, it's just so cool to be able to get these guys back to their elite top level. It's fun working with them too. It's like it's completely different from working with someone, you know, who's like PTSD trauma and working with like an elite high-level athlete, totally different. But I like both are, to me, are equally rewarding because it's just helping getting back to people what they want to do, right? Now, at the moment, these treatments, unfortunately, are not inexpensive. There are, they're up there. Yeah, in terms of the treatments. But do you see in the future at some point this being something that even it's cheaper than it was last year. So I mean, it's already progress, this progress, right? And that's going to continue to become cheaper because once we have the second generation one, then all of a sudden we have the second generation one. That's for the more, let's say, like celebrity elite clientele. And then we'll have the regular one that are still effective for many things and will be cheaper because the one that's more expensive will be able to allow us to drop the price for the old one. I always, I always, I love the, I mean, I love what Elon did with Tesla back in the day because he had that vision. Unfortunately, I don't know what he's doing now. But for, but back in 2010, he had the vision to be like, OK, if I want to get a mainstream car to everyone, we have to have a very expensive car that maybe isn't that great. But we have to give it to celebrities and famous people first because that's the only way it's going to become mainstream. So he gave it to like Leonardo DiCaprio, Tom Cruise. He would just be like, here, take the car or try it out. Let me know what you think. And like, you know, it wasn't that great. It was like just a bunch of lithium-ion batteries like taped together and like it didn't go that far. But it was enough and he was able to sell enough to kind of fund the next iteration, which was like the Model X or sorry, the model is a roadster than the Model S than the Model X. But those were all like 150, $200,000 cars. Yeah, now you can go get one for 30 grand. Exactly. So this is the exact same analogy because it's many the manufacturing process of growing stem cells and gene therapies. All this stuff is improving and the investment into aging especially is massive. All the, you know, all the rich people, they all want to live longer, right? And they all they all putting a huge investment into this. And like I said earlier, if we can solve aging, we can solve a lot of these chronic diseases and it'll just mean more accessibility. So to me, this is actually a lot of people may criticize, oh, he only treats rich people. I would actually say is democratizing health for everyone because eventually these treatments will be affordable for everyone. And they will be so effective for so many different chronic diseases. So that's the future I see where these treatments become cheaper and more accessible. There's always some dummy that we'll say that right now. But that's just how that's just the process. That's everything. Yeah. Look at electronics. Remember flat screen. Yeah, exactly. There was a time plasma TVs were like 20 grand. Yeah. Now everyone's got four in their house. So relax. It's just it's part of the process. So, you know, we this is now the second time we've had you and I felt like the entire first time and so far this time. So it's over over an hour. We take advantage of your brain and we just ask all these questions. I actually want to know a little more on the personal side of like, how does how does a father husband balance his life when you have something that you're so passionate about right now that is so cutting edge so important right to I think society what we're doing. How do you find the time to be to be dad? And do you wrestle with that at all? Yeah, I'm I'm very fortunate because my wife is like super super supportive and she I mean you guys met her and she's and she's also she kind of gets a bigger picture. She's she's kind of like, okay, we're sacrificing, but this is because it's for the greater good. And it's because we're trying to actually make it and she knows like I'm so I mean, I know it sounds a little grandiose, but like I mean, I think it can benefit all of humanity. Like in the sense that if we pushed these fields, these therapies forward, it can be something that can benefit everyone across the globe because let's be honest, there's a lot of people suffering and there's so many people with chronic illnesses suffering and they have no hope and with these gene therapies, what and cell therapies eventually will be able to help so many people who right now aren't getting help. And being able to make this more accessible to more part of the world. Yes, it sucks in terms of how much sacrifice there is from family and personal things. And even now, like we were talking about, I probably have to move. And like, it's like, it sucks, like I'm going to leave Canada, but it's like I'm doing it for something that mission is bigger than just me, you know what I mean? And I feel like there's so many people helping me now in this mission and so many bright people that I have like amazing scientists, like obviously the podcast, getting the word out there. And I feel like it would be, you know, it would be short cited to just say, oh, well, I'm just going to, I just want to spend more family time. Like I obviously I do. But at the same time, it's like, I think this is why I'm here. And I'm just trying to do my purpose. So did she, when you guys first got together, did she know that she was signing up for that? Or is that something that you've had to communicate throughout the relationship? No, definitely. I mean, I don't think anyone, I mean, maybe some people can. But like, I feel like when you're on this, there's no way you can predict that this path would have happened. I feel like for a lot of people who are, you know, get Uber successful or whatever, like it's really hard to predict that. Like you would, how could you have known 10 years ago, this is where you would be. And for me, it was like, I was, I always knew I thought a little bit differently from most doctors, but I never thought I'd be like, you know, like Tony Robbins, for example, like he's probably the most like influential person in my life from like 18 or years old. And like the fact that I got to treat him and now he's we're friends kind of like, it's just so weird. It's like surreal for me. And it's just like, like I love the guy, like I can't, I can't fanboy him when I'm treating him. But like, just like, just because of the stuff, like to me, I like, I've never, I've never been into like celebrity so much, but like, like Tony to me is like such a genuine nice guy who tries to help people. And like, I always just, he always inspired me. And like the fact that I'm able to, I was able to get shoulder better, helping with so many different things. And like, he's really thankful, like it's just such a weird, but almost like, like this weird interconnected thing where I feel like, okay, now I'm helping the people who help me. And like, I feel like I have the means to help more people. So why not try? And that's, yeah. And so, so my wife is very, she's tired of me not being home, but she's supportive of it. I mean, is that what you say that's the, the biggest challenge or I don't even want to say fight because I'm not, I'm not going to assume that you guys fight over it. But is it, would that be one of the most challenging things that you guys have to deal with as a parent and as a husband? Yeah, no, for sure. It's, it's, so I think the other thing too, like I don't want to, there's, there's, do you guys know Inky Johnson? He's a, do you know Eric Thomas? Yes. Motivational, please speak, or Inky Johnson is another one, like that type of level. And he, he has this really good saying, he's like public success, public success, but private failure. And that's a lot of people. A lot. And including like Mr. Richest Man on Earth, right? Like Elon, like he has nine kids and like he can't, like he's into a fight with his ex-wife about seeing the kid. Like, I'm not, I don't know all the personal details, but the point is there's a demand is obviously struggling personally. And like, I think you can be publicly successful, but if you don't have a good home life and family life, what's the point? So there has to come a point where if give, if point, if, you know, if something I have to choose, like I would always choose family first, but I'm not at that point. But let's just say if I got to a point where it's like, man, if she was like, you're traveling too much or way too much, you need to cut back. I would be like, okay. You would. I would. Yeah. I mean, I think what you just said, this is actually something that I share all the time with, with people that, because we've now had the opportunity to be even closer to a lot of famous successful people is I think people would be surprised how many of those people have a very dysfunctional home life that on the outside, they're famous, they're in movies or this profile, the professional athlete, they've got millions and millions of dollars, but then their wife hates them, their kids don't like them. And like, we don't see a lot of that stuff. And yet we, we admire and we put these people on these pedestals all the time, but very few of them actually have that balance and stress. And you know what? One of the ironies is for people who are health conscious, social connection and meaning and emotional like relationships are actually one of the best protectors for health. And this was shown in a study. I think it's called the Rosetta effect, because it's just you know about it. Yeah, I do. Yeah. No talk about it. Go ahead. Yeah. So basically these, this like Mediterranean community of like Italians, yeah, that basically, you know, smoke today, didn't really exercise, live pretty poor lifestyles, but then they would get together like five days a week and hang out and play games and just like, just chill basically. Yeah. And that has so many protective benefits for cardiovascular disease, stroke, cancer. So it's obviously we're social creatures and we're meant to bond and relate with one another and who better, obviously your family is the best people to bond with. And if you can't even have meaningful relationships with them, I think it questions like not only character, but really like your priorities, right? And so, and that's the thing that's the thing that bugs me about Brian Johnson, the guy who's spending two million dollars a year on his body and like, you know, making a lot of headlines and going a lot of podcasts. But the man like, you know, he I know, I know he's he doesn't have the best relationships with people, you know what I mean? And like, it's like, so what are you really doing? You're spending all this time on yourself and trying to live forever, but like no one likes you. So I mean, I love that you bring that up because we talk about that all the time on here about how important it is to have community and to have and to work on the relationship. That's a part of health. Yeah. In fact, it's a massive part of the point of that study. You have people that drink, smoke, do all these other things that we know are really bad, but yet they can live longer lives just because they have poor relationship was shown in a Stanford study to affect your health as much as a pack of cigarettes. Exactly. Loneliness is a more predictor of mortality than I believe smoking a pack of cigarettes. Yes. So loneliness is and belonging this is on the rise, which is like why are people becoming more lonely and such an interconnected actually been called the loneliness epidemic. Yeah. And it's affecting everybody, including children. You know what is affecting the most men, married men. Yeah. Married men are experiencing terrible loneliness at ridiculous levels. Kids, though, for sure. Kids used to never be. What's the theory on that? Why guys don't go out and try to make friends. So it's just getting worse and worse, whereas we used to be forced to meet people because of things we had to do. Now men are going to work coming home and that's it. And so we already suffered from loneliness at higher rates, but now it's like through the roof. Yeah. Arthur Brooks was telling me about that the other day. Before you came in, we were having a dad discussion about the things that like I was sharing with the guys what I'm most fearful of, of, you know, the challenge. And one of mine is just I have this like overly sweet son. And he's just like, he's like, and he's so good that like I just don't. I don't ever have to discipline him. And it's like, and here he's already four going on five years old. And I'm like, man, I want him to be tough, though. And I want him to have some resiliency. And he has nowhere near the adversity I had growing up. Yet I know I don't want to put him through the same thing. And so I wrestle with that as a dad. I mean, is there anything right now with your kids ages that you you wrestle with? Yeah, no, same same. And I've talked about it with a lot of my high net worth patients because they've gone through that struggle, too. It's like, it's not normal to like, you know, drive a Tesla and like go on all these vacations. And that's not a normal life, right? But my kids think that's a normal life. And and I grew up, I grew up from immigrant family poor as well. And like, so it's like, how do I get them to have that perspective? The only the only solution I've seen is travel. And that's why I join them. Exactly. And I travel, I try to take them as much many places as I can, take them with me to different places and try to show them that there's obviously so much more in the world. And people who unfortunately in their situations and where they're born, they may never have the same opportunity that we have. So you got to take it, you know, and then show them that we're so privileged and blessed. And as it's on us, it's our social responsibility, I believe, to be able to give back. And that's what Charlie Munger unfortunately passed away recently. I don't know if you guys know much about him. But he Munger just passed away. Yeah. When did he die? Just like last month. Oh, shit. I didn't know that. Yeah. And he was he was probably my favorite billionaire because he you know, being friends with Warren Buffett, he obviously got a lot of notoriety too. But he was one of the ones who really talked about this concept of social responsibility and like giving back. And he and he obviously like lived it, right? He gave back everything to charity and to other causes. And that's that's the same philosophy I have is if we're privileged enough and we show our kids that this is what we're doing with it, your kids are going to inevitably get be more influenced by you. So yeah, yeah, I actually I'll show you off air because I don't want to totally mess it up on air and I will promise the audience that hears this that we will we'll post it and share but I just saw the coolest way to tell your kids about Santa Claus and it's along the lines of like that if Santa exists or not the kid asks, I'll share the story with you when we get off air right now. But it's it's really cool because the lesson is teaching to give without expecting anything in return and the way the dad teaches the son if there is a Santa or not is really cool. So I'll share that with you. It's a good deal. Dr. Kahn, it was awesome talking to you again. Yeah, you've just totally sold me on coming back to see you. The biggest nerve thing that's what I want to get for sure. Yeah, let's do it. I got that. Yeah, I need some help with that. Good deal. We'll schedule a little time to come see you, my friend. All right. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate it.