 How was it? I want to hear a winning first, you know what I mean? Like the first day when everything was like a because I feel I took on most of the pressure of her career. Like if she didn't make it, I would be the blame. So it was me that was pushing the hardest to make everything happen. So shit wouldn't fall because if everything fell, it was going to be me. They're going to say, Johnny, you should have been fucking with this nigga. And that's what I was trying to do. I was trying to make sure I gave nobody no reason to say it was me. That was my whole little ordeal. So when it happened, it was a it was like a weight off my back, like finally. Because being from Fort Worth, nothing happens for nobody. So it was like when that happened, it was accomplished me. Like what the fuck it happened. Yeah, we on boss talk one on one. You end up going to 1017 after the black ball and tries to happen. But how long does it take, though? From the moment you you meet her, start building, how long does it take for that to happen? That's what I took three years, three years. OK, three years. We were shooting videos first. The first year was more of building the artists, like artists, artists, development, development, which doesn't happen these days. So the first year was artist development, mostly what we dealt with. After that, once we started getting the attention, then it was more on figuring out how to market her and what we can do. And being in the end crowd in Dallas, Fort Worth, I tried to change the people she hung around just for the look. Everything I did was business. I was never really focused on a relationship. I was always focused on a business and how to make her get the next look or who was going to be the next person to see and post her to get that next wave of followers. So it wasn't my surprise that the relationship went to shit in the end because I was never focused on the relationship. I don't mean to cut you, but how many followers did she have when you first met her and how many did she have when she left? When I first when I say left, because she ain't left. But when y'all stop, when you stop being directed and contain 15,000 followers, OK, 15,000, 175,000. OK, so when you're before she started before Gucci, man, before Gucci, man, we was like a hundred and seventy five. That's a great accomplishment. Man, you should be proud. It took three years to three years. Because when I talked to Carl Crawford, it was the same question. About Megan, the stallion, like how many people did she have looking at her before you start implementing the, you know, what you do into her brand? When you think about Megan, the stallion, when y'all came together, how many did she have a hundred thousand followers when y'all first got together? I think she had probably like a hundred and twenty thousand followers. When she was taking that picture with Jay Z. How many follow did she have? She had over a million followers, but that was that was during the time you guys had worked with her to get there. That was how we build it up. Yeah, I seen the I seen the build up. The build up was crazy. So do you feel like when you done it, do you think that she and you, you know, you could have got you should have got had a closer relationship with her? You know, she's my first big artist. You see what I'm saying, but this is where the T Ferris come back. And I hate to make him the theme of the night, but it's just what it is. You know, him knowing and keeping the division between I bought him a new truck just to drive her around in, you know, he's having a conversation next night. Now all of a sudden they're riding in the front seat with each other. He picking up. He not even telling me he's going to go get a he going to go. He going to the family functions. He ain't telling me nothing. You know, he all everything was about him positioning himself to where he can get in her head and like turn on, you know, make it seem like, you know, it was me against her. You know, when it never was me against her, I never had no issues with her. And it went from being hundreds of thousands to millions, you know what I mean? And this is something that, that, that you know that the work is being put in, but you can easily look at it and then a person when, how is it, man? And this is something I'll ask you to get back on track because I start going up because I have a question. OK, how is it when you go from independent to being signed to a situation? How was that for you and her? You mean like how, how do we feel when it happened? Yeah, how was I want to hear when it first, you know, like the first day when everything was like a because I feel I took on most of the pressure of her career. Like if she didn't make it, I would be the blame. So it was me that was pushing the hardest to make everything happen. So she wouldn't fall because if everything fall, fail, it was going to be me. They're going to say, Johnny, you the you shouldn't have been fucking with this nigga and that's what I was trying to do. I was trying to make sure I gave nobody no reason to say it was me. That was my whole little ordeal. So when it happened, it was a it was like a weight off my back. Like finally, because being from Fort Worth, nothing happens for nobody. So it was like when that happened, it was accomplished me. Like what the fuck it happened. Don't you know what I'm saying? But you feel proud. Yeah, but I didn't have time to feel proud because two weeks later, I got cut out the situation now. OK, but let me ask this question before you get into it. OK, but OK, dealing with females, you know, females come with a drama, the mood swings, the attitude, all of that sort of stuff. That's why some managers or some people don't like to deal with the females. But what I'm curious about because I see a lot of male labels, male managers and so forth dealing with the females. How hard is it to because you're with them all the time, developing them, strengthening them, whatever, keep it professional and not cross over into that intimate building that type of relationship? How hard is that? It was really hard. Now, it was this, I'm going to say this, if you don't have, if you don't have any anything for, you know, just major accomplishments is it's hard to get a female to 100 percent believe in your vision for her. You know what I'm saying? So it wasn't my idea. But what I seen is if I'm in a relationship with a female, it's more easier to get her to focus on the career because she just wants to be with me in a relationship. And it's like, I'm thinking, OK, we're going to build the empire. So it's easier to control the situation like this is what we're going to do. We don't go on dates. We're going on a photo shoot or we're trying to create content for Instagram. More we're trying to we're in the studio creating a next song or we're trying to figure out different ways to get these industry artist attention to get that repost that might get those followers to up her to up her level. So it was never I was never focused on a relationship. It was always business. And that's what fucked up in the end. But would you would you do it? If you had to do it again, would you do it the same way or keep it separate? Or would you not get in a relationship in that situation? I'll have now that I have something behind my name. I did this with this girl. Females look at me like, oh, you did this. So it's easier now. But back then not having nothing under my name is like, I would have to control the whole situation the same way. And like, it's like what I've noticed females, they get in relationships and that's just distraction from anything they got going on. So it's hard to work with females. If you just not with them 24 seven, it's hard to work with a female because so much like a female in her in her early 20s is just their focus is on something else, especially if she's in another relationship and that's going to take away and that's going to take away from what's going on and that's going to be a distraction. And that's going to be a problem. And then there's going to be in security with her and her boyfriend. Then I ain't trying to deal with that. She gets mad at you. That also messed up up if you're on the relationship because. Exactly. You correct about that. And that's what happened. That was the demise of the end because we had. It's like we got into the regular same problems everybody is trying to. But it's like it's going to be put on a magnifying glass because who she is right. And it's like.