 Stan, the energy man, Stan Osserman here coming to you live and direct from beautiful downtown Kailua, Hawaii where it's a little bit cloudy and rainy yesterday we actually had some thunderstorms in Hawaii and it was kind of rainy but typical nasty winter weather here but we don't have it as bad as our guest today who's just complaining about having to put on his long johns. Mike Stritsky is my guest today coming in from New Jersey. He's the gentleman who started the hydrogen house project in New Jersey and has a lot of projects in the works and he's looked at as one of the most prolific hydrogen purveyors in the U.S. anyway and actually he had a New York Times article put out on him a couple of weeks ago so we'll be talking about all that stuff but anyway welcome Mike welcome to the show good to have you back. Hey I almost feel like I'm in your living room is it a little warmer there than here? Yeah, yeah it's like a nice 79, 80 degrees I think today. Yeah we're doing something rare we're doing a couple of imports and tours every now and then but most of our stuff has been stuck to zoom you know. Well Mike. The Washington DC we're feeling the ripples of all of the stuff going on in Washington right now. Okay well why don't you give the audience a little bit of a flavor for the article that came out in the New York Times a couple of weeks ago and what it's kind of led to and then we'll get into some of the stuff that we really I named the show Hydrogen meets Hollywood we'll talk about some of that a little bit later on but get us warmed up here. Yeah so you know the New York Times was looking to do an article on what it's like to drive a hydrogen car well when they were searching for who owned the hydrogen car in the northeast they came up with only me so you know I got a call from the from the reporter that was assigned to do this and he you know I told him about who I was what I was doing why I was doing why I had a car and he went to the to the website and then I had John send him a link to at war with the dinosaurs and after seeing that he went to the editor and said that the story is not the the driving the cars not the story that I'm the story so he says this is going to turn into something a little bit bigger and me and him worked for about three months to put the story together sending him articles verifying everything that I've done and you know coming up with a version that was you know what they wanted to print after the editor wrote it he says you know we're going to try to get this as a front page article in the business section I never I thought was it going to be a complete whole full page so it was a complete surprise when they aired the article because I didn't even know that it was coming out until I started getting lambasted with people calling from all over the world but it was a good story I mean it depicted me a little bit as the nutty professor or you know it's just a Don Coyote jousting at windmills for a little bit but we know that that's not the story anymore you know Christopher Columbus was was nuts for that saying the world wasn't flat and they were ready to stone him so I feel a little better you know after 30 years of doing this that people are realizing that the world in fact is not actually flat and all the myths about hydrogen are not true and that this is real and viable today so we've gotten a tremendous response from people all over the world they just finished a front page article on me in the law of republica which is the largest newspaper in Italy and we're doing one with a German newspaper and a number of other publications now and I guess the interesting part about it is you know I'm getting offers from major networks like EarthXTV you know Discovery to do you know pilot series on these networks so renewable energy is taking a whole other turn than it used to be so before where we were downgraded now people realize you know with the whole new administration coming in global warming you know becoming you know the things of science and not of rhetoric that you know we've got a chance to turn the ship around and go the other way you know obviously right now hydrogen is the only thing that I've seen of in my lifetime they can actually do it and eliminate 54% of all the transportation greenhouse gases and 40% of all the buildings so you know science says that you know with all things being equal greenhouse gases and burning of fossil fuel is causing us all of these problems air pollution health environmental cleanups you know and we can we can circumvent all of that and now people are finally seeing that the emperor has no clothes and calling it for what it is so obviously the whole reason we're all here is to educate people and let them know you know that there is a solution and you know we're educating to the science and you know the business and industry are taking off the fact that this article ended up you know front page of the business section of the New York Times stunned a lot of people to think that we would get this much attention whereas before in the Department of Energy you know we were we weren't even included you know when they were considering renewables you know or energy storage so we've come a long way but we're close to pushing that ball over the top of the hill and I'm doing everything I can and I'm asking everybody to help me get it over the hill you know right now there are no competitors in this industry till it's actually viable and making money and we're so close to that and all the new technologies coming out and people that are investing in these large hydrogen plants from biomass you know to you know leachate from landfills is going to make a huge difference including burning garbage you know they're turning that into sin gas so I get things like this now every day before I wouldn't get anything everybody said hydrogen what so all of this stuff now is all coming to fruition you know plug powers had the biggest days in in you know tech history with the you know the announcements of the investments you know they've had you know two this last week you know one that the South Korea is investing 1.6 billion dollars to get fuel cells out in Europe you know that's what that's like you said it's 1.6 B with a billion B and not million and that's that's a big time spending yeah speaking of plug power my son got married last year and and I gave him last November other and I gave him 20 shares of plug power for his wedding wedding gift that could be like giving him a Microsoft or you had Packard stock I'm thinking IPO yeah well I mean we're seeing lots of things you know a lot of these companies are all buying up other companies to complete the picture you know plug power bought Geener you know an electrolyzer company that made electrolyzers for submarines we watch Cummings you know by parts of hydrogenics so Shell is buying up a bunch of companies right now and you're looking at you know the forklift business you know really growing to get volume out there and to get the technology out there and you know what the difference is too a lot of times when there's a great new technology that's competitive with other technologies you'll see big companies like Shell or Ford or whoever buy these companies up just to kind of bury them so that the age of that happening in hydrogen is gone because all these companies that are doing these purchases they're actually growing in hydrogen and like you say with air lequid and air products building liquid hydrogen plants just for transportation that sends a huge huge message that's hydrogen at a large scale in fact I think if you look at what's being built in liquid hydrogen in the United States today it's at least twice if not three times all the liquid hydrogen that we've ever made in the continental Americas including Canada for the NASA program and all that extra production is going to clean transportation well I mean even if you think about the hydrogen that's generated for the gasoline industry there's enough hydrogen that's generated from just hydrogenating gasoline to power a quarter of the earth's vehicles just on what we have already if we stop using you know fossil fuels and put that into hydrogen vehicles I'm hoping the biggest selling points for converting off of fossil fuels and internal combustion engines is just the efficiency I mean all you have to do is tell somebody why do you want to use an internal combustion engine that's only 25 to 28 percent efficient at best with diesel or gasoline when you can use a fuel cell and hydrogen that's not only more like 50 to 60 percent efficient in terms of actual torque at the wheels but it also you're only outputting water you know I mean just do it in the form of just you know SUV we'll get somewhere in the neighborhood of you know 14 miles to the gallon 14 or 15 and that percentage rate you can do five times more on the same amount of BTUs with hydrogen and you produce water you can drink it when you're done I mean just think what it does for the environment when you're not putting all of these things into the water we drink the food that we eat in the air that we breathe I mean this is really cleaning up the planet the societal benefits charged for the hydrogen economy is beyond scale as far as repairing the environment and our bodies and our health and our air you know so it's much bigger than just the pocketbook and this will create more jobs than it will ever take you know doing the new infrastructure when you start looking at the upside the hydrogen compared to any downside which and quite frankly the only downside I've really noticed in hydrogen is I don't like compressing hydrogens it takes too much energy and stuff but other than that it's hard to find a downside to hydrogen safety is better efficiency is better toxicity that's non-toxic if you you can use it for multiple things you're making byproducts like oxygen when you electrolyze water to make hydrogen I mean there's no way to yeah hospitals need pure oxygen welders need pure oxygen industrial you know processes need pure oxygen and that's just a byproduct to make an hydrogen now I mean think of all those hospitals they could have used that auction in California yeah exactly so I think when people start really doing looking at hydrogen the way you and I do they'd really their eyes start to open and that's why I think it's it was great that you spent the time with the New York Times to really educate a writer on the topic because I think when people look at that article other other writers look at it they'll go hey I need to look at this more and you'll start seeing it multiply out so that was that was great it's amazing to see how divided they're reading pop you know the reading potential of the comments that came in on that article you know I went through all 450 of them and you know there were the people that were working on 30 year old science not realizing that we had solved most of the problems exactly glad that the people that were the the battery zealots that didn't understand that batteries are you know a band-aid they're not a cure right you know and you know you have the regular layman that just says it's never going to happen so education is really the key to making all this happen which is why we're doing this show you know which is why I've devoted the rest of my life to you know hydrogen and water we fix those two you know we fix the planet we left the legacy for our children and our grandchildren if we don't fix it we left the living hell so I agree and you know what we're I'm going to I'm going to talk to you a little bit more about that and start getting into the movie we're going to take a quick break here and uh and show some some of the folks that help keep things going and then I'd like to get into talking a little bit about war with the dinosaurs and any other productions coming up and where people can go check those out because they were those were real eye-openers and those are the kind of things just like that article in the new york times that's going to help us move forward so we'll be back in 60 seconds with Mike Stritsky I'll come back to stand the energy man here on think take away and today my guess is Mike Stritsky coming live and direct from beautiful downtown new jersey way on the other side of the continent so in other words what exit off the turnpike in fact um it you know it's tough getting guests on on a show when you host in hawaii because there's a five-hour time difference between here in new jersey so he's past his bedtime almost and and I haven't even had lunch yet so anyway Mike we're talking about um some of the movies coming up and you know I wanted to comment that that movie at war with the dinosaurs was really kind of an important movie because just like you mentioned you know so many people their their knowledge of hydrogen is so ancient or so um I want to say prejudice is probably the right word because people look at elan musk and dr chew and all the quote unquote experts um who who have a big microphone and can address a lot of people but unfortunately they're giving them pretty bad information and that can be totally damaging for a really long time and at war with the dinosaurs I thought was just an exceptional movie um great detail great documentary um so I know you were involved they they spent quite a bit of time talking to you on that you have you have a feature in there two or three segments in there yeah um the movie at war with the dinosaurs is you know a work of the of five and a half years I mean we basically started with the history and you know told people the story you know from all the way from 1978 and what all the presidents have said that we need to attain energy independence and they just keep passing it on to the next president who does nothing about it you know you we have to cure the disease and we as president clinton said we have to take this seriously and get down and do it well i'm hoping that we have a president now that will actually do that you know number one is covet number two is global warming and you know we have to do things like other countries do that that makes sense not you know that not are politically correct those days we don't have time for because we we're killing ourselves if we don't both our economy and our and our children we created all these technologies and others are all capitalizing them on it it's about time we bring industry back here and get our bang for our buck you know you lost the whole generation yeah we've we've helped other countries get rich off of so many things including the internet and you know all the all the things that are created in a free country and look who's making money off it now is china and russia and you know people that couldn't be creative because they lock all their people in little holes and don't let them talk to each other but we take so much for granted and we just let things go by like you say pass it on to the next president to deal with because you know maybe you're getting more money from big oil or somebody in your campaign fund and i mean that's not right you know in the movie we talked about you know different classes of society right now we're at a class zero you know in this century hopefully we get to be a class one where we're not living off of the fossil fuel assets of the Jurassic age and we're we're using the power of a star our son you know but the thing is is you know around when all of us get together to save spaceship earth you know race creed color none of that makes any difference we're all citizens of spaceship earth this big spaceship that's traveling 60 000 miles an hour through the atmosphere we have to get together jointly to save our home okay and that's what i'm looking for is that we all get together and do things for the good of the many not the good of the few you know so that we give everybody something to lose and we live within the boundaries of science and our eco structure and we become part of it again you know not the destroyer of it so what are some of the technology so what are those upcoming events including a war with the dinosaurs that we were talking about offline a little earlier is there another project you say coming up that's uh that's going to be talking about this you know what we should be doing yeah i mean we've steadily been getting more and more interest in hydrogen you know as you know industry is starting to make the invest investment and people are learning the truth okay and that this is the cure and it is on the menu you know we have to put it on the menu and you have to have a product you can buy and invest in that's my two big goals right now is to have both we're building a new jewel box now that we'll be able to replace the micro grids as act as micro grids in california where the utility you know took a hundred years to get the wires to them and they went bankrupt three times over these fires that grid is never going back in northern southern california where they've got to run hundreds of miles of line to get to your house if you run a generator there's no way you can afford to live there if you're doing solar you're going to be paying for batteries three to five years all right at an enormous cost and then have disposal problems hydrogen in this case is the only answer where you can store unlimited kilowatt hours you can do large-scale seasonal storage and even now the power companies are waking up after doing battery demos for backup power and having many fires you know and lives lost to going to hydrogen storage you know you have bill gates powering the the next cloud which is the size of two nuclear power plants on hydrogen so yeah that's that's one of my frustrations has been working with utilities and it's not that they're i i don't think they're evil people but number one they're focused on shareholders and number two they're all run by engineers and and as soon as you tell the engineers you've got a great new idea for storing energy they say well why would i do that when i have a diesel generator over here that i can just flip the switch and it's on and they just don't want to listen i guess that's the hope in the next 60 years that our future will be more advanced diesels right yeah we're we're up to what tier four now and they're more expensive and they're a little bit cleaner but it's all after exhaust cleanup so that means you're wasting energy well the one thing that that that has to change in all of this i said at ground zero i see everything new that's coming on i've seen all i've been in all the fights of the past all right but the battle lines are being drawn you know everything is getting out front put your fisticuffs up not backdoor deals anymore because you know now it's becoming a threat to them this is no different than you know uh blockbuster looking at netflix thinking that that they're gonna they're gonna destroy them and crush them or the big phone companies going after cell phones and laughing at them that they're a joke you know this this stuff is advancing very quickly now as technology is advancing batteries we're at the end of the life cycle we run out of elements on the periodic table we are now at the pinnacle where we can change this stuff and with social media out there we can get it out there and the message to the people and we hope that you know the people will do the right thing vote with their checkbooks you know if you want to see something happen you got to go out and buy it capitalism is what's going to drive this so well mike i tell you we're getting close to the end of our time here can you give us an idea of where we can start looking at like where would the dinosaurs how would you how would the audience go and track down at where were the dinosaurs if they wanted to watch and i know it's available on several formats like like you mentioned i think yeah so you know one of the ways they can go to my website they can make a $25 donation and they can own it it's also available on itunes it's available on youtube it's available on vmo so there are lots of platforms if you google at war with the dinosaurs it'll take you to one of those if you want to own it you know you want to go to go through apple and that's the one we have on our website but it's well worth anybody looking at this and we're going to do a a demo probably in about two weeks i'll let you know where it's going to be open to a number of people from the public so we're going after legislators we're going after the press and the media and you know it's interesting thing the new york times article came out and senita who's the head of the hydrogen program basically sent me a nice note congratulating me on the article and she said she sent that article out to all of the new biden people coming in as a must read so you know one plus one plus one we make the army you know we just have to fight unconventional warfare from here on out you know to defeat these guys we can't do it on their terms yeah that's great so when you get the the information passing on to me and i'll definitely put it up on my shows we'll talk a little bit more about it or one of my future shows absolutely buddy linked into uh into those videos and uh you can we're partnering with a number of groups you know like sustainability now uh tramples crows earth the earth x tv um you know obviously the hydrogen house project um you know to get the word out and we're using all of our mailing lists you know to reach critical people i've been talking to the new jersey uh legislature and assembly the last couple days about doing a mass showing of the movie the and to start to get legislation to get hydrogen refueling stations in so we've got three sources of funding um that are available for that we're looking to put a uh a fee on dmv registrations of three dollars to be used for renewable infrastructure you know we're looking at um overcharged money from the from uh the board of public utilities they have a huge you know multi-million dollar fund you know for that's done for renewables and you know we're looking to to do just direct legislation to get these things in if you bring the stations and the infrastructure it's going to happen we were smart enough to you know back in the back in the great depression days to to give people jobs by putting in infrastructure you want to create jobs let's start the hydrogen economy by putting in infrastructure the car people will make the cars i guarantee it if there's a way to fuel it the forklifts will come the lawnmowers will come the aeroplanes are coming bowing just committed to building a plane by 2030 so every day there's something about hydrogen in the news as before 10 years ago no one's did hydrogen what yeah or adam bomb what we're hindenburg what but that's exciting to hear boeing jumped in and of course that comes on the heels of airbus announcing they're going to come up with three hydrogen powered aircraft by 2035 and uh have them all certified by then so you're right it's finally catching on ship norways building some hydrogen power fuel cell powered ships you know large cargo ships um san francisco has a hydrogen ferry boat coming online with some of our friends that used to work at sandia national lab um there's just a lot going on and the newsletters i i had um kieth malone from california fuel cell partnership on my last show and the information that he puts out it's getting so violent volumous that he can't he's got to condense it all because he can't get it all in one newsletter because there's just too much there and he's starting to send out more newsletters and and scrunch down the briefing so he can get all the articles in his newsletter you could do a whole show on just what japan is doing with australia you know they're building liquid ships they're building anhydrous ammonia ships to carry hydrogen and they're putting it in their natural gas supply where they already have a half a million hydrogen homes yeah i mean it's happening in real time and we're sitting here watching the miracle you know as doctor meku kaiku said we're present at the birth well i have to get jfidel the fork over some money to send me to japan so i can check out everything going over on over there and do a do a couple shows from japan i don't i don't think that's going to happen right away but we'll see that take my way japanese is pretty good yeah they'd probably recognize you you'd probably be a hero over there anyway mike we've hit our 30 minutes and uh i just like to thank you for uh for being on again and and sharing some current information with us i'm sure people can still look up that article from the washington new york times rather yeah just google my name and new york times it's the name of the article is called the gospel of hydrogen great all right so uh thank you anybody who wants to uh contact me you know this is my retirement and this is what i've dedicated my uh rest of my gas tank to hydrogen gas by the way okay mike well thanks again for all your time and uh i know you're busy man and we'll have to have you on in a couple more months and you're caught up with you again but thanks again and uh to anybody who wants to see what's going on hydrogen house project dot org my phone number's on there give me a call all right and all of youers out there mahalo for watching and stan energy man will be back next week 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