 Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the Procrastinators podcast. I am the best guy ever and today we are joined by Ben Oliver. Patreon.com slash Polystation 2. Hippocrates. French Isis am I right? Did that already happen? Didn't that already happen? I think it did a couple of times. And here's Lethal Aurora Mage speaking of terrorists. Why do my introductions always get interrupted? I don't know. The real terrorism is destroying intros. That's what... I feel that it has a grudge against me. I didn't interrupt shit. Don't blame me. It was not my fault. I've been here for zero responsibility here. Alright now I'm in a bad mood. I'm ready to fight. I'm ready to kill everybody today. Let's fight. Let's fight. Let's fight. Let's do it. Listen up team. Today's episode is franchises, subtitle, and how to ruin them. That is the overall theme that we're sticking with here. So there's a lot of franchises in recent years that have just gone to shit. And we're here to kind of discuss why. What, if anything, can be done to avoid it for the ones that have survived, the few that still remain. And I guess, you know, also to examine the other side of the coin. See who's doing well these days. So let's get into it. What do you think guys? Who's got an example? Who wants to start us? Oh wait, Urban Dictionary. Urban Dictionary, what have I done? What have I done? Almost. Almost got away with it. The PCP franchise was almost cleansed of a horrible meme, but the last. Alright, Urban, my friend, here is the definition of a franchise. Franchise, an entire series of the film. Wait, this doesn't have to be a film. The original and all its subsequent sequels thereafter. This is terrible. No, what the fuck is this about? Any PCP video. Urban Dictionary. Yeah, anything's ever been good. Have we ever had a good definition? Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Oh, I get it. Okay, fourth definition of franchise. Franchise, verb. To get it in, to smooch, a.k.a. to have sex. Did you franchise? Oh, I franchised last night. Hashtag sex, hashtag fuck, hashtag hookup, hashtag penis, hashtag smooch. That's... I assume they mean that in the fight club definition of franchising, where Ed Norton's dad set up a bunch of families of which he was one, and he's like, you know, that sort of thing. You with me? With me on that? I understand, but wow, I've never heard of franchises. The thing about franchises that I was going to talk about is that they sort of ruin certain things within a franchise. Like if you've got a series of video games, good games are overlooked or harshly judged if there are better games in the same franchise. Like the label brings down opinions on things that are good because they're tied to things that are better. And then things that are bad are elevated because they're tied to things that are better than them sometimes as well. That's definitely true. It's funny we're doing this topic when we are because our good friend Jesse Wood just made a video all about this topic concerning the God of War series. That's very true. It was very, very topically relevant and everyone should watch it because it was fucking fantastic. It was a great classic Jesse video that everyone should definitely watch, but probably link to the show notes below. But if you... What was interesting about his video was that it was less... I mean, that actually was about kind of how much more credit the God of War series deserves than it's currently getting just due to a change of Zeitgeist and people endlessly spinning their wheels about how games should be art and getting all wrapped up and insecure about Roger Ebert's ghost. I feel like if the new God of War game wasn't a God of War game people would not be shitting on the old God of Wars because it's not connected by a franchise. There's no reason to compare them. They're just looking for an excuse to sound like this one's better. Yeah, yeah. I mean, as Jesse very well painted it, people have simply just forgotten what happened or never played. You'll hear game commenters today. Oh my God, I fucking hate these people. They come out... I mean, Jesse made a very... We're just reiterating his case just to go watch his video, but it's just like they come out, they're like, oh man, this is so much better than the character Kratos was way back in the day. It's like, oh, so you're experienced with it? No, no, I haven't played any of them. Right, right, yeah. Because like the big... And then again, like Jesse points out in that video, like the whole... You read the original reviews for the OG God of War because I remember when it came out because I'm an old fart and I remember reading about it and like, oh man, Dave Jeff making a game and all this shit. Everyone was like, this is like Devil May Cry with an incredibly good story. That was like the elevator pitch for the OG God of War. God of War One had a great story, yeah. Better than Devil May Cry once. Definitely, definitely. So like it actually had a character motivation and depth and complexity, which... And everyone was like, this is why this game is so good, it has everything and then later on... I feel a meme brewing, I feel a meme brewing. Wait, wait, Kratos is like, he's holding like his dead wife and daughter's body and he's like, it was supposed to be my job to fill your dark soul with war. No, not light, see, I made a twist on it because it's God of War, not God of Demon Cry That's my joke, thank you. It was a terrible joke, I don't like it. It was the worst, but yeah, no, it was good. It was a good video and it kind of is on point because a lot of the times the new stuff in the franchise is automatically classified as the betterer by some people. Especially in games, that's why we need remasters and stuff because the old stuff's too old. We got to make it more accessible and newer. This is very specific to video games, but the whole graphics thing needing to be updated for people to even think about giving a shit. People think about movies to a degree as well, but yeah, it's mostly games for sure. But it's not really, because movies, I guess movies always had... they never really changed the frame rate or increased... The only thing they increased was you can put things on Blu-rays now, but you can still turn old, what are the millimeters? 100,000 millimeter film? 35. You can also put things in CGI now instead of making puppets or stuff like that. That's true. You look at old 60s sci-fi and stuff, some people have a hard time. Is the Gorn really that threatening? It's like, come on, let's go. That's just terrible acting. Things like Citizen Kane, for example, I don't think people look at that movie and think to themselves, man, this looks dated. Because of the artistry of the thing, just the cinematography and the clear... I've actually watched this movie a lot, so I'm not talking to my ass like people always do about, oh, Citizen Kane, it's so good. I actually have studied this film quite a bit and I'm quite... it really deserves all the praise it gets. That's in an artistic way. It stands up. I mean, what I would argue about pixel-based Final Fantasy, or even one like Final Fantasy VII versus the Final Fantasy XV struggle for photo realism and the seven remake and stuff. Film just ages more gracefully than video games do and that's just because it's still real life. It's a very low-resolution recording of real life versus, hey look, it's seven polygons with a 512 image slapped on it. I'm pretty sure I'd still enjoy watching the Back to the Future movies just as much as I did when I was a kid. Yeah, yeah. The special effects on those are actually pretty great and hold up pretty well to this day. They invented a lot of effects for that time anyways. I think the thing is when people say movies are too old to watch... I just realized there is definitely going to be a resurrection of the Back to the Future series without question one of these days. With Marty, Marty is now going to be an old professor. He'll be the professor! He'll be old and be like, Hello, I'm old and now I'm smart. Here, I built another DeLorean. That is probably the series that will be most fucked up by like reinvention and like doing more because it's so reliant on time travel and like everything was really packaged in those three movies. I can't wait for that to show up on Netflix in a year or two. Marty, she's too shaky though, or whatever his name is. Are you frightened? He's got the shakes, whatever that's called. Another thing that's like just happened was there was an announcement for A Thundercats. We're just talking about this. And it looks like every other cartoon out there at the moment. It's literally Steven Universe. It's Steven Universe Adventure Time, K.O. all of them. Can we say officially that cowards has ruined cartoons? I mean they have their legacy. It's too much. It's simply too much. I would say at this point cowards is a franchise that has been ruined. Oh shit. Yep. I just want to say something like I really dislike the art style. I'll say that like even emotion is just like I don't like it. However, I don't want to knock the series out before I've even seen it because it could have like good writing or something. I am only commenting. I completely do not care how good it is. It is a reboot. I'm tired. I'm tired of things coming back. I'm here Tom Slade Queen. I kill these fucking necromancers. These skeletons stop coming back. I can't get through the catacombs. I thought you liked skeletons. Like we're not the target audience though guys. That's fine. Your opinion doesn't matter. That's not fair to say. My opinion is everything. I'm on the internet. My opinion means everything. Well actually I was going to be more generous and say I'm not judging the writing. I'm just judging the art style. There's right. We can separate those. I mean after the really good 2011 reboot how can you just turn around and turn it into this? Was there a reboot in 2011? It was amazingly good. Really? Interesting. So actually. Yeah, Fundercats. Was it the Japanese anime one? Yeah. It was gorgeously animated. There was a super fucking amazing episode. It was mostly a continuous storyline but then they had short one-off episodes and there was one episode that was super cool and it's been a while since I've watched it. It was about Lyno's depressed and shit. He's a sad boy because shit's going bad. He comes on this race of small little flower people and they only have 24 hours to live. Their entire life is in 24 hours. So he meets one of these characters as a newborn and throughout the day he sees him trying to use his short little life to make a better impact for his people and that reinvigorates him to keep going forward and fighting. And it's like the fucking sickest concept. That sounds fucking incredible. It's so good, dude. It's fucking great. And then they come out and they're like, what if we just made Teen Titans Go furry edition? And I'm like, I'm so fucking angry. Hey, Teen Titans Go, I like more than this because it has an original art style. I give it more credit. The whole thing about like, we're not the target audience. I don't... Aren't we though? No, well, I mean, kind of. The target audience is... The new kids don't remember Sunday Cats. It's going to be for like, little kids. But it's also going to be like, hey guys, remember how old you are? Now you can relive how old you are by Thundercats again, yeah. Well, you know what I would say. I would say, well, Mage, you don't know that it's not a more mature show than the older audience in mind. So maybe we should all wait and maybe you should die. The thing about it though is that stuff like, it's just, it's just... Ready Player One, Ready Player One, Thundercats, everything coming back, it just makes me not like the things that they're originally attached to. I'm sick and tired of reboots and remakes and rehashes and reintroductions of old things that I haven't experienced. So maybe I have experience and it just makes me like, okay, now I will never want to play Thundercats because of this fucking shit. It just, everything that gets rebooted goes into a vault in my mind brain where it's like, this is bad because it came back and I hate it and I never want to see it and I hate everything associated with it and if I see anyone enjoying it, I'm just going to spit right in their eye. I just want to say, I'm not describing your disappointment. I fully agree. If someone took something I really liked when I was a kid and rebooted into shit, I have never seen it. Yeah, I haven't seen it either but the thing is I guess it's just, yeah, I'm also tired of the reboots. If they wanted to do their completely own original weird cookie thing, just do it with a new IP. Why do you have to reboot Thundercats and make this thing? Of course people are not going to be happy and if your target audience is like new kids that haven't seen the show before then just make an original show. They're not going to care. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Where did the reruns go? Reeruns are so fucking easy and cheap. You just do those so much better. You know, that is a really good point. Because this is all about making a safe bet and trying to make more money off the franchise. Why don't you spend any money making a new show? Just put all the money where it actually matters where all the money comes from for these fucking shows anyway. Merchandise sales. Just re-air Thundercats 2011 and drop more merch or re-air the original because everyone has memories of that. But those are old and they look gay. I actually feel weird in my penis and that's not good for me. That's just the thing that gets me like oh it's an old Thundercats is in 4-3 resolution aspect ratio. We can't air that. That would be laughed out of town. I'll kill you. I'll kill you. I'll just kill you if you think about that. Just mirror the edges. Us YouTubers have figured out the solution for airing 4-3. All you do is zoom in on another layer and blur it out so then you have a 16 by 9. Yeah, it works. We could have a funny little side things. Pillars. Just draw the Thundercats roar characters as your border and then just air the original. Right. That could be the whole show. It takes place in the border of a normal Thundercats episode. Just imagine, guys, remember just think about all the hilarious epic meme references. There's going to be like two the 80s into like old cartoons in this incredible new show Thundercats roar. Oh, it's going to be great. All right. I know that I'm reached. I don't know. I haven't seen this show yet. But I do feel that you can both, one, have fatigue for reboots and two, also sincerely, you know, determine if a show is good or bad as it comes to think. I'm sure. I'm sure you can. Regardless. Titans Go is like one of those things where people hate it just because oh, it's not the same as Teen Titans. But it's actually okay and it's kind of fun. No. No. Okay. The original Teen Titans and I wanted to give Teen Titans Go a shot because when I first saw designs, I kind of like them. They're cute and chubby, sort of. Like, oh, that's neat kind of, you know, that sort of thing. It wasn't the same and I didn't expect it to be the same. But I watched the show. I watched several episodes and I really didn't care for the humor, I guess. Sure. A lot of it was very mean spirited and that's what I just like, I mean. What? No. What are you talking about? What was mean spirited? I don't buy that episode with the pie then mother may pie or something. What's wrong with that? I don't remember I already mean spirited humor in that. I hated the song. The song. Three of the Teen Titans got cooked into a pie and then like Cyborg and Beast Boy ate them. But like that was a joke. I don't like I don't like I didn't like it. I don't like that sort of humor. I understand it's funny but for me personally I really don't like the humor of the show and because the show relies heavily like solely on its humor I didn't like the show. The thing is the people that usually hate Teen Titans go hate it on a very surface level. If you watched it and you didn't like it then that's fine but most people I think I've never given it a shot because but but what happened to my ones that I grew up with where did they go? Oh yeah I feel like same with the Powerpuff Girls reboot I also watched a few episodes because I wanted to see it's I don't think I reached like the few episodes that people were really you know talking about like the ones with the twerking and whatnot but I've seen quite a few episodes. I'm sorry did you say twerking? Yes there was twerking in the Powerpuff Girls reboot. What? Wait wait the the Powerpuff Girls of these like six-year-old children yeah and twerking I that was awful. I haven't seen the show but I've seen bits of like this is how terrible this is. Yeah I haven't seen I haven't seen the show but I think the context is like there's some sort of villain maybe and they're like then they're kind of drugged and then like the twerking. Wait wait wait wait wait wait we're talking about drugged children and twerking. I'm just guessing that they're drugged or like the illusion to being drugged. You know there's there's a whole like conspiracy in that show that one of the artists for the show has a self-insert of himself. Oh yeah. No no no no. It came out and like the artists people were making a joke and they made the character without the person actually being aware so it was meant to be as an inside joke. He didn't do it himself. Okay well that's pretty hilarious. There's a ton of disdain. It's interesting we're talking about all these shows right and like they run the gamut of like we don't know how good they are we they're good or they're not good but they're all symptoms of a terrible disease that is it is infected popular culture which is it's much safer to just rehash what we've already done than to dare go into uncharted waters. It's not as terrible as people make it out to be however it is still pretty bad. I mean like I dislike it that's my personal opinion some people might find it good but it's not it's not it doesn't have that charm I guess but it's really not like the end of the world you know. It's not the end of the world but like there's a reason people get so upset because as much as I don't agree with the people who react badly to Teen Titans Go I totally get why they would have such a reaction when it's a completely different sort of show but with the same name as the one that they remember. Yeah but like now speaking about franchises and being ruined and stuff with Teen Titans Go as much as like people like to dislike it it hasn't ruined the franchise in terms of like business and stuff because apparently it's making a lot of money. I think it is ruining the franchise because it's not making a lot of money and I'm not sure why they're still making it. I might be wrong maybe they are making a lot of money or enough money. Here's a serious question on this front though. Okay so the Teen Titans like show like I never read like I know there's it's based on the comic books I never read them so they're completely irrelevant to me and also Powerpuff Girls was like mostly like just a show. I know there was like an actual anime may have been stuff a while back but like they are mostly they were what they were like the one show. Okay but like so when we talk about ruining a franchise like for example does it ruin the franchise of Teen Titans To Make Teen Titans Go when like frankly the series simply would have remained dead without it. The way I see ruining franchise is that it's you can see it from like a money perspective in which case loads of terrible things are completely fine because they make money and the franchises aren't ruined in that sense. But like the way I think about it is that it's a personal thing if you feel like your enjoyment or your like it you know something about one of the things in a franchise is spoiling the others in some way and making you feel bad when you think about the thing as a whole. Another like oh man that's that would be the perfect series of movies unless they they and you know that that one right there ruins a lot of them. Another thing I think is like from the consumer perspective it's about the legacy of the show Teen Titans Teen Titans was very much beloved and although people really really wanted like a sequel or a continuation just you know to finish the fucking series because it wasn't finished. People remembered it fondly and they were very you know and they liked it a lot but now whenever people think about Teen Titans they can't help but think about Teen Titans Go as well. And the fondness just sort of like you get pushed it aside and like the anger and the disappointment takes first place so the legacy of the series is now ruined because Teen Titans Go exists. Yeah it's really gross how like something that has fans and followers is like as long as it's you know it has like a like people who regard it fondly as long as there's that it will eventually be you know exploited for money. Down the road unless you have an author like the guy who made Calvin and Hobbes who like explicitly forbade any adaptation of his work. And so that is like super beloved because no movie has come around to fucking ruin it for everyone. It's just not yet forever. I mean yeah copyright expires in 80 years and like some like fucking brain Nejaro has been waiting since this this late 70s like finally I can make my CGI Calvin and Hobbes movie. I isn't that recently occurring for like the catcher in the rye. I forget the name of the guy who wrote that I thought that happened like they were I know he expressly forbid the thing to happen and I believe he's still alive. I can't fucking remember his name off JD Salinger JD Salinger that's the one I don't know whatever just throwing that out there. Well I mean when I think about these questions like legacy and stuff that's a fair point but like there's there's two different ways things can be ruined in my mind. Like Final Fantasy comes to mind a lot and I'm sure I'll discuss that a bunch in this in this podcast but like so there's two different things going on with Final Fantasy one. There is the current constant ever changing Final Fantasy series that itself like is still being developed and like never stopped from like the 80s when it started. So like you could definitely say that like Final Fantasy as a series has been ruined because they continue to put out you know like worse products. I mean I know a lot of people like 15 like that doesn't even matter like you can make a case along those lines. But then just as one example there is the specifically Final Fantasy 7 and so Final Fantasy 7 exists as one game that came out at one time. But then they made sequels and prequels and side stories and a million different things and books and visual novels and all kinds of crazy shit as well as they are currently working on the remake of the game. So the game itself like so the Final Fantasy series is one franchise that you might consider ruined by later games that are actually changing what the Final Fantasy series actually is. But Final Fantasy 7 it is what it is at that time you know like if they if they they updated it for like there's like a PC release or whatever there's there's updates stuff the remake will obviously be a huge change. They've added lore with all the side games but that original game is what it is and it will never be different as long as you have a copy and don't lose your fucking copy. I'm going to protect mine like the fucking sacred tomb. So like has the like has the legacy of Final Fantasy 7 been ruined is like I think the answer is like to the public. Like yes because everybody thinks about like Zach Fair and Crisis Corps and it's already all these other things I think to me like if I was going to define like what this would be like what what like ruining a franchise is. I think it's like either the erosion or negligence of the artistic merit of a property. I think that pretty much sums it up you know like either through like continued like a ignorance like the original idea that like attracted people's when first place gets kind of lost in the shuffle. Or like it's just blatantly ignored for a crazy like left turn usually both of these are done with monetary hopes from from corporations stuff who never really understood the merit of the franchise to begin with. You know what comes to mind for this though I think about like if someone today says like I've heard about Final Fantasy 7 let me get into that thing like that person will experience not what was intended when the first game came out. If they start but see that's what I was gonna say I was gonna say that like for me as like an old fan of the series like what I do in my brain I played almost every of the compilation games and I'll play the remake I'm sure to just to find out what's going on. But like in my mind I simply discard everything that happened outside of the original game. Now it's unfortunate because things like clouds personality and because of how great and interesting like a character cloud is and how nuanced and how amorphous he was even in his old game. It's given people like Nomura an excuse to depict him you know in ways that I would argue he should not have been depicted in like subsequent games and prequels and stuff. So like I definitely can't help but have the character as a monolith tainted in my own mind. But if someone could just play the original game and ignore everything that happens the credit but the reasons how would they know to do that they wouldn't know to do that. I still it's hard to like say that a franchise can be like see games by the way. Okay I just want to say and I've been I've been curious about playing Final Fantasy 7 specifically but there was like a steam seal that I didn't take up or to I didn't take advantage of of all the final fantasy games. I really wanted to play like as many games as I could you know in order to see what's up and stuff. Okay well your boy Hippo did play it and was just talking when you interrupted him so let's see what he is. I've been waiting to say this for a while because you were talking as well so I guess interrupts. So let's interrupt Hippo not me that makes sense. Majors on if you can't beat him join him wagon when it comes to interrupting people she's she's had enough of being interrupted this is dealing it back out. This is all Nate's fault let's agree. Shares I agree. Gabe what were you saying? I forgot. Any thoughts on the legacy of Final Fantasy 7 as someone who's recently played that game. The idea I think I don't agree that a franchise can be ruined for the public necessarily like you know. With education they can figure out what's good and bad probably that's probably true. Yeah if nobody plays the original Final Fantasy 7 in the way that it was intended again but they play like the remake and they like that. There's an argument to be made that they're not getting like the true experience because maybe the remake is not as good. I mean it may be good. No no no why do you say it? No what I'm saying is what I'm saying is that I think the franchiseness of the fact that this is a remake of another thing but they're different is what is the problem here because they may enjoy they may prefer on a base level human like this is what I feel at the very core of my being. They may prefer whatever the remake becomes to the original game but if they were not franchise connected they could just see them as two different things. There's Final Fantasy 7 the game it's an old thing and then there's this new thing that is you know not supposed to replace it but it is implicitly being a replacement because of sharing the name and being a remake. That's exactly it. Which is why I think franchises like destroy the legacy of things for people who come into them later unless they do a lot of research to you know unless they put in a lot of effort to sift through all of the you know the updated new things that have muddied the waters. Okay I want to I want to quickly say I've been playing Shimagami Tensei and that's like oldest balls franchise I will say it's like older than Pokemon from my knowledge. And like I played the fourth game and I started playing the apocalypse and I did a lot of digging like with the with the history of the Shimagami Tensei because I wanted to know because it fascinated me like something this old existed and it just. Any who I liked it and from my knowledge it's the franchise was never sort of ruined by any game and all the spin offs were either mildly successful or became persona which like super successful. So like I think it's an example of a franchise this that's like hasn't been ruined yet despite its very long lifespan and although I know that some people. Yeah I know some people have been sort of complaining about the newer games for some reasons like oh they don't. A lot of old school fans don't they say that like they're mad that the focus has gone to like persona and that like that side of the Shimagami Tensei. I've heard some degree of that. At some point was but then they revived Shimagami Tensei with Shimagami Tensei for an apocalypse and there's going to be a new Shimagami Tensei on the switch. So it hasn't died in has actually has been sort of revived and a lot of people because of persona are turning you know their focus on Shimagami Tensei because they want something of similar but not the same like me because I started was. I sort of started with persona for that MMO game that I talked about aside because I wasn't even I didn't even know it was a franchise at that time. Anywho but like yeah I started with persona really like persona for I couldn't play persona five still can't I want to but yeah and I instead I turned to Shimagami Tensei because it seemed like. You know something I'd like at first I was sort of a little bit turned off because of the even in the fourth game which is pretty recent and apocalypse also. Recent enough I think but they still had like the sprites rather than like 3d models and stuff and it sort of feel like very clunky and sort of like bloated not bloated but like. Very visually heavy I guess not heavy overloading like not sure how to say so are you saying that like what you're saying is that like the games that some people might consider ruining something actually can bring people into the fold and expose them to you know. Like aspects of the series that maybe the hardcore fans would say like is the real experience or something along those lines I'm saying. No I did what I was trying to say is like originally I was sort of turned off by the graphics that kind of look very outdated but then I put the game and I really like the story in the setting and the. Idea and the mechanic I think the heart of the Shimagami Tensei still lives on through its franchise the persona thing aside it's become it's become its own thing. Very much so it's like very different games like but I think Shimagami Tensei has always had that core sort of fight between good and evil but not like I mean the demons and the angels and the apocalypse happening and like. Well going to hell it's always seem to have had that theme I think originally started like on a small scale ish now it's becoming bigger and bigger over time I'm not too certain because. So many games but yeah. And it's just like I think it's still a good franchise although some people are grumbling about the changes however like you can't you know remake the exactly same game each time whenever a new game is made you know changes are going to happen. And some changes I think are made for the better they're like sometimes but if the changes are bad then it's fair to criticize them right. Oh yeah that's fair I mean but I I haven't seen like legit criticism all above like oh it's different than what I remember it to be. I mean there was one like there's like a legit one that like the overall map was very very confusing and hard to navigate on the fourth but they improved upon it on the fourth. Game apocalypse which was meant to be a DLC but it became its own thing it became too big to be just a DLC so they made a separate game out of it that's what I've heard anyway. Yeah my point is it's a good franchise and I'm happy I'm happy to experience it and I'm happy to say that it hasn't gone to shit yet hopefully it won't. I am I don't like this idea that I am like guilty of sometimes that if you don't like the new thing in a franchise you're a grumpy old man and you're just looking back in the nostalgia goggles and all that because like I definitely have done that for a few things. But I don't like the idea that it's okay to be that either like sometimes new things are just good and they're not for me. But like I was saying it's like the franchise has kind of tricked me into needing to have an opinion on it because it's from something that I used to like which was different from a different time. And now this new thing is coming around with the same name and it's the new one and oh but it's made for a completely different generation of people and I don't like it do I criticize it do I get mad I don't really know what to do sometimes. Yeah just like the God of War game is just made for like modern gamers and so they had to completely change the kind of game it was because nobody likes action games anymore. There's a case to be made that some things are better than other things in terms of like the thematic relevance of like the original game in every franchise is usually the one that makes the most sense with all the reasons for everything being put there. And then everything after that is some kind of like muddying of the general idea like with dark with the dark demon blood series demon souls is like the most the perfect like mixture of the way the game was told and what is in the game and the way it's played and everything. And then beyond after that it's sort of shifted in Dark Souls and then Dark Souls 2 and then Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 into something that's just a bit far removed from like you're a real human being or you're a dead guy. And you're trying to survive at you know you've got a realistic ish strength level and you're trying to survive in this harsh world is fucking going to destroy you. But then in in Dark Souls 3 it's like you are a super super being from the very beginning and you're really fast you dodge roll super good and it's like the message. And that doesn't make sense because like in Bloodborne you're designed to be like a speedy dashy guy but you're still you're wearing like heavy plate and doing this shit in Dark Souls 3. Yeah Dark Souls 3 is just sort of it's not bad which is the thing but it's like it's a muddy it's a it's a it's a remove movement of the core of reason for like stuff. So like what you're arguing is that like there can be an artistic like. It was done in the original thing that can be diminished. It can be diminished but like there's no reason to think that if it's not perfectly artistically cohesive with gameplay and whatever I'm talking mostly about games because I don't really. Like you know they can be that but there's nothing to say that you should like the old one more even if you like the new one because it's a game you like more. It's just it's just always confusing because they're the same franchise and there's different things franchises should not exist they should not. That's I mean I definitely want to think about that. I wanted to say something. You can go Nate. Okay well I was just going to say that like so when it comes to like I my mind keeps going back to Final Fantasy 7. Final Fantasy 7 is like the main example in my mind and it's like so that that is a little different in the sense that like well actually Dark Souls had direct sequels but like there was there was there was Final Fantasy 7. And that had its its own artistic integrity love or hate it you know whatever it was it was its own thing and then you've got years later they make Advent Children was like the first thing that was made for this compilation of Final Fantasy 7 which was followed by many games and whatnot like okay you could theoretically make a prequel to Final Fantasy 7 which actually they did. There were some animated films that came out before Advent Children or there was at least one I think was called Before Crisis. That's just like an anime version of what happened in Nibelheim between like Zach Cloud and Sephiroth and like a prequel that just makes the events of the game into an anime like that that that's totally fine like that generally doesn't hurt anything and is pretty decent. Now the problem is when you make sequels to Final Fantasy 7 that's when artistic integrity gets its Achilles heel sliced because the entire point of the end of that game was there was a question as to whether or not humanity was going to be wiped out and like we don't know the answer to that question at the end of Final Fantasy 7 by making sequels you and that was the whole point that we as the viewers have to wonder ourselves are human beings actually a plague on the earth it was a it was a it was about the environment was an environmental question was about the nature of mankind are we deserving of survival are we deserve are we just a virus on this planet the way Genova was or do we actually deserve to live here as part of this ecosystem in this this world we're on. That is the question asked at the end of Final Fantasy 7 and we do not know the answer so you are given the homework to spend the rest of your life thinking about the ending to that game until advent children comes out a couple years later when they say nope everything's fine humans are cool don't worry about it they just got uh so shut the hell up everybody um like bad like no stop I watched and then children without having any context for any games or anything and I was young and I quite liked it as like shiny basically I like I liked it at first two when I first saw because I also was just like shiny because I hadn't really thought seriously about what it all meant but then as the years went on I did and I am where I am now but like no he was he didn't do much of that but I think he was aesthetic I did a full cosplay I did a full cosplay of Vincent Valentine in my youth made the g Nintendo made his whole thing and there's there's a picture of it there's pictures of it around But anyway, I worked at an anime convention towards anime Boston. I wanted to make my larger point here, and it's specifically about, in keeping with what Ghib was saying, it's why I hate franchises. And it's this. It's a whole bunch of things. But it's, any time that is spent on making a sequel to a game is time that could instead be made, making like a new thing with original ideas. And there are absolutely sequels that are good, that improve various things. But I'm approaching this from the lens of like, how much intellectual content, really in the story. I know a lot of people don't care about fucking stories and games, but I do. And I, and you know, the whole Ghazam Gutsferk of story working with gameplay, blah, blah, blah, all that bullshit. And it's like, when you have to sit down as like a game designer, because I have been a game designer many times. I know what it's like, even though I don't do it right now. Like you have to sit down and think about, okay, what's the whole basis of our game gonna be? And you really have to go through an intense struggle to come up with something original. And that's where the most of the intellectual labor is done when you're making a game. It's when you come up with the concept, and then like all the shit that comes afterward is all like filling in the blank. So that's, you know, that's how you make your game. So like, you know what, this brings to mind when I, when I was doing the weed cast with Digi and the boys, and we would watch episode one of like every anime that came out in a season. I loved doing that because episode one of every single show that's ever made for the most part is interesting or absurd or just, it stands out generally in some way. But the thing is, watching another 11 episodes of that thing, generally for most shows is not worth it. Because you're not getting that like, that, that spark that's like leading into a whole show when you watch the whole thing. You get all the ideas presented in episode one, and then they string it out for 11 episodes in some way. And you know, a lot of the times that makes sense because it's a complicated narrative, whatever. But the point I'm getting at is, what I really liked about that, and the good thing I get from that is, when you're forced to like start over and start from the very beginning and come up with a unique premise, that's where most interesting things that I like in a show, and generally in a video game as well, like are done. It's at that first stage. So to go on and spend a million fucking years reinventing the wheel and trying to come up with sequels to games to just like refine art or refine gameplay, or you know, make a sequel to a show and like find excuses to like, have like new characters show up in season two, like, oh, because we didn't mention them because they were off doing a secret mission. But now they're back and here they are main character of season two. I hate all that shit. It's terrible. It generally, I'm not going to say every time, but a lot of the time it violates artistic integrity. And like to all the things that the big push right now of doing like the big remake thing, the reboots and whatnot, it's just like, I do not blame studios for doing it. They've got to make money. They've got, you know, bills to pay. What I hate is when people just are content with it and accept it and are just like, yeah, this is a perfectly good use of everyone's time. Like this Thundercat's reboot. Maybe it will be great. I don't know. But I don't want people to think that it's a good thing to do to spend all their time making a new Thundercat show when they could instead be making something actually original, you know, from the, from the premise up. Okay. I still have a point to say. So, so like, oh, I wanted to bring up a franchise that I also like Dragon Age. I really, really like Dragon Age. It's one of my favorite franchises. I guess I really love the first game and the second game got bashed to the ground because people hated it so much because of the changes and like, not just the changes, like it was lacking severely in a lot of things. And like, it was obviously a very rushed project and it looked, it felt more like a DLC and it didn't connect so well story-wise with like, there were a lot of problems. However, I still liked Dragon Age too as as as blasphemous as it is to say, I quite liked it. And now after, you know, talking with you guys about all this, is that the one with all the gay minotaurs and stuff? Is that the one? No, I mean, no. Okay, okay. Maybe a little bit. Konari, maybe if you're talking about Konari, they're not minotaurs, but they are people with giant horns in their heads, most of them. Yeah. Is there a big gay one? Is there a big gay one? It's in the third game, not the second one, maybe. Ah, okay. My apologies. But yeah, so in the second game. That's the one Nate's interested in for sure. Yeah, that's the one I wanted to know about. He's called Iron Bull. And yes, I need Iron Bull. Oh, damn. That's hot. Now I need to go back to my game because I remember I made a character specifically to romance that guy. So now we're talking. Yeah. Nate did too. It's called Nate Vestman. Yeah, I'm sure. I was going to, I was going to, I was going to, he was originally, I was going to originally romance him, but then Colin happened and oh, my heart. Because of the story this guy has had throughout the whole games, like in the original game, I played as a female mage and you meet him. And he has a crush on you in the original game. And yeah, that's really cute. And then like you meet him in the second game and he's sort of like, not exactly an antagonist, but like if you play a mage, he's not really happy with mages at that point for a lot of reasons. Oh wait, you see that? He's that like Ranger guy who hates magic, wants to kill everybody, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, that's the. Does he wear a bandana? Does he wear a bandana? No, he has fluffy feather things. Like he's like a captain of stuff. And he, so yeah, so the Ranger guy is a DLC character, which I never got because I dislike him severely. And he messes up my game, at least how I want to play it because I want, I want people to be as happy as possible. And he just kind of nopes out of one of the endings of the game. And I like, he forces me to make a choice that I don't want to choose. That I don't want to make. What does he make you choose? What's the choice? I either kill one of my party members. Straight or gay? No, no, no, I either kill one of my party members or like he gets the fuck out or something like that. I don't remember. Like he really, he really advocates for the killing of one of my party members. And I'm like, no, I like this party member, despite all the fuck that shit he's done. So. OK. And he, so yeah, so like Cullen and the second mate, and then the third game, he's finally romance-able. And I was like, I've been playing female mages throughout all these games. Wouldn't it be so cool if he could finally get it on with like a female age? Isn't that how it was with Tali? You could only romance her in Mass Effect 3 as well or something? I never played that. You could romance her in Mass Effect 2. It was the first game that you couldn't. Gotcha. Yeah. But yeah. Mass Effect's another good example of that. It was kind of different, because like Mass Effect 2 was way different than Mass Effect 1. But people were generally positive towards it. Like there was like a hardcore group of people who played Mass Effect 1 who weren't a big fan of it, because like Mass Effect 1 was a role-playing game. The combat was pretty bare bones. But like there was like loot and gear, and like everything you killed, you had drops, and like you could change your armor and change like all your equipment and stuff. And like it reflected things like one of the big memes of Mass Effect 1 is you could dress everybody in pink armor and it looked ridiculous, because like there were pink armor sets that just were really good. Like the designs were really fucking weird. But then Mass Effect 2, they changed all of that. And it became strictly a shooter with RPG elements. And the combat got a lot tighter, and it was much more fun to actually like have firefights and stuff, which became much more the focus of the game. But there were only a couple armor sets, and they weren't like equipment. It was just kind of like rewards you got throughout playing the game. So like everything, all the RPG stuff was like very streamlined or stripped out entirely in favor of being a shooter with a light leveling progression. Well, you know, I still want to make my point. So Dragon Age 2. Wait, so let me just finish. I just want to say on this, what's interesting about Mass Effect is just that, so that was always intended to have a sequel. But like obviously the reboots, that's another story with the Andromeda and whatnot. OK, I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean Dragon Age also, I think, you know, they also, it's made to have sequels. But yeah, Dragon Age 2, it got bashed to the ground. People really disliked it. However, I think like if it wasn't tied to the franchise and had come out of its own thing, people would have been as harsh to it as they were. It probably wasn't. But that harshness though, like would it have gotten as many sales? No. You know, like would people pay attention? Like I think the reason they're mad is because they have an expectation. Right. And then they get tricked. When you buy into a franchise, like a franchise, the reason a franchise even can exist is because it's formed some sort of identity and expectation in people's minds. So when you say we're going to make more of this, they expect more of this, not like something different with the same name. And because of Dragon Age, because they're trying to tell a story throughout multiple games, like it's all said within the same time span kind of, like generally. You can see recurring characters, what not. You usually don't, you can't make like an RPG game into like a first person shooter. And then just so seamlessly and tell, you know, a story. I don't think, because the fans of the original ones, like the, that were fans of the RPG part, I'm probably not going to want to play it as a first person shooter, you know? So you can't make too much drastic changes to the formula. However, you can try to update it and stuff. And I think with Dragon Age 2, I liked the upgrade to the combat, at least as playing as a mage. I'll say that much because I haven't played any other classes because I only play mage. But yeah. Mage only plays mages? No. Yeah. So they made the, like, I really liked the combat as a mage in Dragon Age 2, which I think was a nice upgrade because in the first one, it just, it felt really clunky and the animation was just sort of like, I'm poking someone with a stick just through, like with a distance, like very big distance. Like I poke someone with a stick and then like a lightning bolt comes out and then like hits them and just like, it just, like, it looked like my character was going like, nyeh, nyeh, it's just so silly. And so unsatisfying because like Dragon Age 2, they kind of like combined like martial arts with the staff so you can do like really cool moves, like you switched staff around and like. Is this in first person? Is this in first person? No, it's a third person. Third person. Okay, I'm just trying to get a picture of what's happening here. It's like, it's a lot more satisfying the combat. And like when you melee people within like range as a mage, even that looks cool. Even if you don't do that much damage, like it's really neat. I liked it to the combat a lot. Okay, so basically, so not every franchise immediately goes to shit. I like, and there's things to be enjoyed. Well, here's my question. I'll just quickly want to say like Dragon Age Inquisition was the third game and I think it was received positively enough. They did a lot of changes that people heavily disliked because they sort of made it feel like an MMORPG with a lot of little mini quests and very big worlds that kind of felt a little bit on the empty side and just like a lot of little tedious quests here and there, you know, pick up five herbs, kill 10 boars or something, you know, those sort of quests to make you feel more bloated than it actually is. However, it wasn't a deal breaker for me. I didn't have too much of a problem because I'm a great big MMO RPG junkie sort of person. So I didn't have an issue with that. It didn't, I liked the game regardless and it's my favorite game of the three and I hope they do better with the next game. And I'm really scared because the EA has been fucking up recently. And have you considered being a video game YouTuber? No, I mean, I sort of like I did an undertale let's play that I never finished, but no, I don't I don't want to. I'm not, I'm not, no. I'm a weed with so many things. So just get that out on the PCP. Yes. In the middle of every PCP with Mage will not have a game review, just out of nowhere. I don't play that many games that I don't know. Like I usually play like very cute farming sims or something like that. Well, okay, I mean, I'm trying to come to like a thoughtful thing to say, to summarize. Like, okay, is it fair to say that franchises are always bad? No, right, he's what I can say about things. No, Mage, pause, give talk, god damn it. Franchises, I was fucking pausing. You interrupted, also you went on about your shit for a while Nate, I waited a long time. You're absolutely right, you're absolutely right. What we need to do is to stop giving a shit about the names of franchises and start giving a shit about the people behind them. It's always the case, it just always is. Even sometimes when it isn't the case, it's the case. We should literally get criminalized naming movies. We should name them one, two, three, starting with the first movie you made now and just naming them with numbers forever. The artist behind the thing is so much more of a reliable way to tell whether a game is going to be the sort of thing that you want from a franchise. The most obvious example is Dark Souls 2 in the Dark Demon Blood franchise was not helmed by a Hitataka Miyazaki, like the other games, and it's not as good in various ways that it was good in the other games. It's a great point, it's a great point. He directed all the other ones, and it's clear that he has a very clear vision of what the games should have in them and why things are put there. And so when he's in charge, you know, you can tell, you know before you buy, that at least there's gonna be a good, there's gonna be good shit, you know? I was upset with Dark Souls 2, but then Hitataka Miyazaki were coming back for Dark Souls 3 and I was like, okay. They made fucking Bloodborne, or, yeah, yeah. He made Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 and like, okay. This time, I've never liked the idea of believing something is gonna be good before reviews come out. I never liked pre-ordering, pre-ordering is stupid, but, and I didn't pre-order Dark Souls 3, but I had like this idea that if he's there, I feel like it's gonna be good, and it was. Like fucking, yeah, oh, shit, I just had, oh, like the Godfather, the Godfather one, like everyone, the Godfather 2, actually, one more Oscars and Godfather 1, I think, and that was just another by Coppola, you know? Like, if that had been outsourced, like, oh, for example, I forget who the director was of American Beauty. Like, American Beauty 1 is like a legendary film that everybody loves, Dubs. But then, I mean, this may be a bad example, but American Beauty 2, it is a sequel. It features the character in a small way. I have not seen it. It stars Mila Kunis and it's like, it's like a joke. Like, it's a, no, it's just not real. Like, if you bought American Psycho 1, I knew it was a video game, and then you bought American Psycho 2, I mean, no, it's not. There's an American Psycho 2? There is, starring Mila Kunis as, I mean, but that's, it's so bad. You said American Beauty. God damn it, American Psycho, no beauty involved here. Okay, I was very confused. Except for this fail, if you know what I'm saying. Got him, hashtag gay. There was another, oh, I was gonna say, and another one is like Hideki Kamiya directed like Devil May Cry 1, but then like Devil May Cry 2 was by some other asshole, and it was a complete nightmare. It was terrible, and this was young me before I knew. I think that's, yeah, yeah, I think that same guy also went on to make Devil May Cry 3 and like redeemed himself, I think, I think that's what happened. Yeah, I thought that Kamiya came back for 3, and then someone called me up on a previous episode and was like, no, you're fucking retarded. It was the same guy who just like learned to not suck. And I was like, oh, well, I take back all the things I've said for him for like 15 years. It's not a guarantee, that's true. It's not a guarantee if the same guy's, but it's more reliable than seeing the brand's name or even seeing the company behind it, or like the publisher, or the game studio, or the team. I mean, sometimes the team is just, it's not the same team, even if it's all the same people. If it's been like three decades, like with Yooka lately, most of the old gang came back and it sucks. And it's just because they weren't doing that, that whole thing for so many years, that they had changed and they didn't know what they were doing as much anymore. Yeah, that's a good point. Like, uh-huh, go ahead. I wanna say, like, so we can sort of like agree that like, criticizing things just because they're different from how they used to be isn't really a good sort of basis to criticize things, but it is okay to criticize things for actual faults that things have. So like, basically, just take your nostalgia goggles off if you wanna criticize new games because you have to consider like, are they good on their own, you know? Like, games- I think that's definitely true. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people, they don't do that because they're judging it based on the idea that they want a new version of this franchise and that is what they're being sold, but they're not getting it because it's different. And that cuts both ways, though. Like, some people, because they played the old thing, will, you know, be more critical. I think that's most of us here, but then other people have like a rose-colored nostalgia glasses and like, they'll see the Final Fantasy VII remake and like, I grew up, myself saying this and my friends saying, whatever console Final Fantasy VII remake eventually comes out on, I will buy. And this was like, more than a decade ago that me and my friends were like saying this shit because like, obviously it's going to be the best game ever, but of course, we didn't know that like the compilation was coming, man, the compilation and like, and there were all these directorial issues, like the game isn't being worked on and like all these problems are happening in development. And most people still don't. Most people don't like fucking, you know, follow gaming press and dev logs and all this crazy shit. So like, they're not going to know. They're just going to be like, oh, I remember Final Fantasy VII and they're making it again. I think this is the problem and there's literally nothing we can do about it except possibly advocate that people change their mindset, but I think it's not going to happen. The problem is that people stop when they see the name of a thing and like the company behind it possibly, even that is probably too much. They just see like new Marvel movie and they think, okay, going to be great. Or, you know, or like new Final Fantasy game. Okay, it's going to be great. New Kingdom Hearts. Okay, it's going to be great. But what they need to do is investigate who's directing it. What have they done recently? You know, what is the team developing? It's a bit much to us that people do that for everything. But that's why we YouTubers can bring them that information, you know? I think that the most I can do specifically to quell this problem is just to be like, I don't even know his name. The guy who made Calvin and Hobbes, he's a genius in this world. George Harrison. Bill Waddison. George Harrison. Bill Waddison, you fucking fools. Don't sully his name. The greatest human to ever live. Bill Waddison. All I can do is when an if, no, when, I make a big, giant franchise, like big thing, like, oh, everybody wants to make a movie of my thing. I'm going to say no, and I'm going to write my will, fuck you. Nobody will ever touch anything I make and it'll be great as a result. That's what I want, man. That's what I want. I do want to say that like... I do want to say that like... A major viewer going to say, okay. It's okay to sort of like, you don't have initial dislike or like of a thing to reaction. Like, you can't control your emotions to a thing. Like, so you might have a knee-jerk reaction. But if you're going to like, don't go and pick fights with people over your silly emotions and just like think a little bit before you do that. I mean, I totally hear you on the mage. But like what I'm advocating for is a severe and massive amount of rage. If you have a well-researched opinion, like for example, my feelings on the Final Five, Six, Seven remake, I feel like I know the score. I have done the research. I know, and again, I know likely what issues are to be. So I will continue to raise these concerns. But however, when the game is finally before me, I will drop all of that as best I can and attempt to give it a sincere, thorough, clean slate. And you'll buy the collector's edition. He'll get the cool cloud statue and he will fucking do it all. I think something really important with when looking at franchises and remakes and stuff is that there's a difference. You have to understand yourself, that there is a difference between saying, I don't like this because it's not what I wanted it to be and this thing is terrible and I hate it because it's possible for something to be really, really good, but just not at all what you wanted. That was what happened with me when Kill La Kill came out. Like I just had the wrong expect. I went in thinking like, you're in Logan too, here we go. I did the exact same thing. That was a huge decision. Yeah, I didn't have that explanation. I quite liked it. The reason that happened is because they advertised it as like another Gurren Logan. If you watch all the previews and stuff. I accept responsibility for misreading it, but yeah. At the end of the day, it was my fault. Then again, I never seen the Gurren Logan, so. Oh my God! Well, well, good luck. I watched one episode. It's not for me. It's not for me. Oh, oh, oh, do we have to? All right, all right, everybody, we have to disconnect mage, we have to hold hold vote right now. Kick mage, yes or no? How you can't. Well, how interesting. So you watched episode one and just didn't like it? Yeah, I think I watched like two and maybe two episodes like. Go watch Best Anime Ever, Gurren Logan part one and two. I don't wanna. You can't, like the more you force me, the less likely I'll be to watch it. I'm not forcing anybody. Blame Tom, it's not me. Stop nagging. No, oh no. Don't be like everyone's mother. I'm so sad now. I have to be mage's mom on this. You know what's funny? Tom is like almost as big a fan of Gurren Logan as I am. I mean, you know, maybe not as intellectual than an outlizer of fucking airbag. You like it with your brain. I like it with my heart, okay? I remember when I was working, yeah, sure. When I was working on that video, I remember discussing it with you, like the thought of possibly getting you involved. I mean, it just didn't work out that way, but I remember that came out. That was like four, three years ago at some point. It was a long time ago. Yeah, yeah. Remember Ghost and Michelle coming next, man. I can't wait for Nate to release his third video. I know, right? I know, right? Well, guys, the memes are good. Well, good. That's pretty good, right? I don't know, weaponized thickness, not from that video, but you know. All right, team. I think we've, I'm actually pretty happy with where we've arrived with this. That was a pretty decent summary. The issue is just, you gotta do research. And the problem is that no one ever will. Like, the problem is that the dummies of the world who don't know anything, they see like, you know, it's Marvel, baby. And they're like, yeah, I will give my mind to this uncritically and have no, you know, whatever. I mean, just a quick disclaimer to people who, like, because we namedropped a lot of games and there might be people who are like, oh, you like this game, but where there were like these faults in it or like, oh, you dislike this game, but like, it has these and these good things. Like, this is not a game review podcast. So we can't go in-depth about all the things good and bad about games. If you like any video game viewer, you are a fucking idiot piece of shit, loser and literally delete yourself from real life. And basically, if we left something out, it's not because we're ignorant. It's just like, you know, we had to move on, especially me and Nate, we talked a lot. Sure, sure. Yep, that's true. All right, I think we're done here. Gib, Tom, any final thoughts on this? Thanks, everybody, for listening to the 108th episode of the Procrastinators franchise. That's right. I look forward to getting to 180, so we can do a 180 degree change to do something completely different from the PCP up to this point. That'd be very funny. Like, not upload. Like, it's dead now, we killed it. That'll be great, that'll be great. Gib, any thoughts, any final thoughts here? Oh, we should pretend to be each other on the 180 episode. You're not, Gib. Oh! No, there are no more thoughts. Zero. I am out of thoughts. There's nothing left in my brain. No more simple thoughts, they're done. Yes. All right, well, all right, it's time to switch on gears over here to our hashtag Ask PCP section, everybody. On the Twitter, I use hashtag Ask PCP every Saturday when we record. I send out a tweet, well, don't respond to it, but you just send a thing with hashtag Ask PCP. You'll see it, you'll see it. All right, I just want to give a shout out to this guy, Cult of the Yellow One. Oh no. Someone's been continually asking about our stances on gun control, and I think it's this guy every time. It's just like, I don't know, I don't want to get into that shit. I have no fucking idea what the right, I'm just saying, I don't know. Every baby should have a gun, but anyone over the age of two should be killed. I have no complaints. I'm satisfied by that answer. Wait a minute, oh, here's actually a relevant question. It's at Discount Picasso asks, are normies the root cause of all problems with art? I think that really sums up what we covered in this podcast. It pretty much sums it up because the people who don't care determine, they're the vast majority, the vast majority of people don't care, and the vast majority of people control the market conditions, and market conditions are responsible for all major decisions because all major decisions are based on money and not art. There you go. And I don't see that changing. No, it never will. Until we become a post-scarcity society, which may never happen. I mean, we don't need to be a comer post-scarcity, we just need to have a lot of money to be like, ah, I'll just give this strange artist- Or if we just have everybody after two years old be killed, there are no more normies anymore. That'll fix this problem right now. But the reason I don't agree with that, Gabe, is because as long as money has any influence, people will always want as much money as possible. So I think as long, and like, cause that equates to power. No, but like, like, there's like, times in before big money crashes and bank collapses and whatever, more weird art was being funded because people were like, yeah, sure. You know, there's money to go around, there's jobs for you to have. We don't, it's not a big deal. We'll give this strange artist some funding. I agree. But now you have to be a giant, super world dominating franchise or you're gone. I think the question though is less about like what art is being made and more about what art is being supported. Cause like, even now you can make whatever you want on the internet or whatever, but like the normies aren't always gonna do the normie thing, you know? And that's the problem. Yeah, that's right. Like even if whatever's popular, it's just whatever's popular. Even if a studio through a huge like budget behind like some crazy art film, like people are gonna be like, yeah, but Avengers 12 dude. And they'll just go watch that. I mean, that's, yeah. There's a real consolidation of entertainment. Honestly, just behind Disney, like Disney's just buying everything. I mean, if things are being funded, that's the main, if things exist, that's the main thing. It's not about whether you can convince the majority of people that your weird art thing is good. Well, what would you say to this though? Like, let's say that- It's that the artist is allowed to express themselves in the way that you are. Okay, here's a real question though. And this is kind of a separate thing, but it's like, if, so let's say that like there's enough money to go around for whatever reason, like we've got fucking universal basic income or whatever, where like everyone can make their art. But the thing is though, like there's so much market share dominance by like mainstream things like Avengers movies and you know, just like all the like normie stuff is so popular that it like on social media, which is how people communicate, it just like drowns out that. So like all audiences are like, like there's always gonna be a couple people who are into your shit, but like the vast, vast majority of people, which I guess is actually true right now, are just like inundated with like, you know, Marvel and you know, like the new, I guess, Final Fantasy even just like the AAA stuff, new Uncharted or whatever. And they don't like pay attention to the small things. I don't know. Do you think that's like, I personally fear as things kind of like power seems like it's getting consolidated online these days that things could end up in a place where like just through a lack of ability to compete with the market share and like the budgeting, the advertising campaigns of like big Disney stuff, that like it'll really drown out people and they'll, you know, do bad. They won't get the word out about their stuff. Any thoughts? I mean, that's how it's always been. That is true, that is true. It's all marketing. I mean, that's a whole, that's why a lot of mediocre shit does so well. I want the world to be like every man like is by his own strength and will can like break through and become, you know, like king of his own castle and acquire his own little domain or whatever way as opposed to, and I don't know if that's realistic I feel like the reason then there's clearly a reason that normies don't like weird shit and it's like the weird shit only appeals to a very specific mindset and only a certain amount of people have that. So even if everything that's weird gets funded, it won't be that important for most people that it gets funded. That's true. It's the same thing. Not everybody has the capacity to build their own castle. Some people will just be the vassal and that's just the way they are. Yeah, fair point, fair point. So that's why you have to get to the top, have all the money and abuse all those stupid people and that's what Comcast did and look how good they're doing. They're doing pretty damn well, pretty fucking damn well. Did you hear they made a cash bid for Fox try to take the rug out from under Disney? Oh, I didn't hear about that, damn. Yeah, they're gonna have like $60 billion. I'm gonna straight up here you go and they want to steal Fox from Disney. That's their big play right now, yeah. Okay, okay, think about this though, everybody. Imagine like your internet and TV service provider also owns the entertainment company that makes the art. They own like TriStar and like they own Coca-Cola and a bunch of crazy shit. Huh, I'm sure that doesn't cause any problems at all. I'm sure that doesn't influence like the stuff they create whatsoever. I'm sure I'm not gonna see Coca-Cola ads in front of every movie ever since like the late the mid 90s. Oh, wait, I do. Yeah, it's pretty fucked up. Watch the Jack and Jill Red Letter Media Review, everybody. Oh, I love that, that's one of the best. Hey, look, here's a good question. This is my hashtag down with Ben St. Oh. And this is in the base of my table. This is a hashtag I can get by. Yeah, the thing is I think actually a bunch of people are using hashtag Ben St. So I'm just gonna, I clicked on this thing. It says center, I think this is center point. I think this name is center point. Is it center point before? Yeah, I think he pledged it like the RideCon fund and stuff, but anyway, I believe it's center point. And his question is if you guys could get a sponsor for the podcast in exchange for slightly censoring yourself like bleeping the word nigger, would you do it? Would you do it? Cause I'm curious what you guys think. Cause I've always had a deep personal aversion to the idea of like getting a known sponsor. It's just always creeping out. I never say the word anyway, so it doesn't matter to me. That's true, that's true. I'm not against sponsorship deals because the, you can, like Game Grumps has shown you can make them really funny to the point where I don't care at all. Those are, yeah, I like that. Here's the thing, here's the thing for me. In that specific example, it would A, depend on how much money it is. But if it was enough money to make it lucrative, I think that that specific censorship would have no artistic impact on the show itself. I think it would be funnier to bleep out certain words like that. Because it would just say, okay, God, God, God. But like if the deal was like, these are like certain topics or things that you can't go into. Like if it was like legitimate like censorship, I'd be like, no, like, fuck that. Like nothing's worth that. Cause then like the entire time, because even if you never like, even go near those grounds, the entire time in the back of your head, every time we record from now to the end of the time, we'll always constantly be thinking about not doing that. And then like 10% of our brain CPU is gonna be dedicated to making sure we don't go somewhere. And it'll just make them like that's worse. That's true. I'm okay with bleeping swears because a lot of the time bleeps are funnier. Bleeps are funnier than saying swears. That is definitely true. I don't know, people don't agree with me on this. I'm glad that you do. Listen to something back everybody. Bleeps are literally way funnier than just leaving in an actual swear. I don't know why. I like the idea of like having different bleeps every time. Like a different noise. Like I don't know, like a jackhammer or like I don't know like a siren or something that I... The whole podcast is just that one episode of SpongeBob where they all swear. Wait a minute, I've got it. What if for each individual swear we use a specific type of bleep so that it's like saying N-word or whatever. It's like, so they come to associate that specific noise, whatever it may be, with the actual word. No, they have to be common sounds you hear all the time in real life. So as you're just going around your everyday life you just hear swears subconsciously. This is a great idea, we should do this. That is a good idea. We should do a censorship episode where we do that. That would be awesome. That would be awesome. I'll edit that, cause that sounds fun. It actually does sound fun. Like that should be at the very least a bonus episode for sure, locked. Oh, that'd be a great bonus episode. I wanna be honest, so please don't do it while I'm away. Well, we've already got one lined up for this month. That'll be next month at the earliest. Sick, all right, on the point. Okay, that'd be dope. But I got a microphone, by the way. I'm gonna take it to Lafayette, so. Oh, that's dope. Sick, awesome. Glad to hear it. Here's a question from Kajuro Bitterthorn on the Patreon, asks a question. I mean, this has a question for Dayton Tom but anybody can respond. How do I abandon my nihilistic hedonism and embark on the path to becoming a productive boy that has goals? How do I convince myself that life will be better if I haven't achieved goals? I mean, I've got an answer to this. Yeah, what do you think, Tom? Shit, I guess you need to ask, I think for me, giving you an answer would really depend on knowing exactly what your current mindset is, how you feel about being more hedonistic. If it feels good and you have no real desire to change, it's gonna be hard to really, anything that I would say or suggest to take the heart because it has to start with a motivation to change. I'm going to assume that because you're asking the question that you have that desire and that desire is probably stemming from the fact that you're sitting around doing nothing long term and you feel like shit. And that's the first step is because you have to realize, like for me, when I make my root source of all my good decisions, which I'm doing more of lately, is that, especially like, even like a simple example is like dieting. Cause I'm gonna, my diet's been on point for like three weeks now and it's fucking great. Nice. And like I just ask myself, like a really simple question, like would I enjoy doing this now? The answer is usually yes, like going out and ordering a pizza. But the answer is like, will I enjoy this in an hour? And the answer is always no. And that's like a really good, like kind of like stop gap for me is just like realizing that like, instead of thinking like, oh, I can't wait to have this pizza. I'm going to be so happy. I'm like, the real thing is like, I can't wait to have this pizza. I'm going to be miserable for the rest of the day. And that's like- That is a great way to look at it. That is a great way to be like, fuck that, I'd rather be like stoked later. And like in like 10 minutes, I'll just be fine. Like literally in 10 minutes I won't care anymore. The path, the productivity is, it stems from the realization that suicide's kind of gay. And why would you, why, why though? I mean- Like if you're not doing anything, you're going to be depressed. And if you get too depressed, you think, why am I alive? And then you think, I'm going to die. I'm going to do it. But then if you think about it even further, you realize it's kind of pointless and who cares? Nobody cares. I think the core of it- Nobody cares about you, except you. And if you ever care about anything- It's true, no one's going to give a shit. And like the thing is, is that one of the big things to realize if you want to start being more productive is understanding that happiness is not the goal fulfillment is. And fulfillment means doing things that aren't going to make you happy because you need to fill yourself with a sense of purpose and feel like you are accomplishing something. That's what gives us a sense of more than just happiness. Happiness is like eating a pizza and feeling good. And it's not like you have to find a sense of purpose before you can do anything. You have to trick yourself into having one. Right. If you don't know what your purpose is, if you don't know what your purpose is, your purpose is try as much shit as possible until something clicks. Yeah. That's step one. So if like, oh, I don't know what to do. I don't know if I'm an artist or a viewer guy or anything. I don't know. It's like, yeah, you do. Your goal, your purpose is to find your purpose. And that's what everybody should be doing until they find it. Because the only way you find what it is is by trying a ton of shit. When my dad, when I was living with my parents and like looking for work and stuff, like my dad just said to me like, Nate, until you get a job, your job, your eight hour a day job is looking for a job. And like that's basically the same sort of thing here. It's like, yeah, you should be focused on trying to settle this. And you know what? You're asking this question. So off to a great start. And here's what I would add to that. Like you're specifically bringing up the idea of nihilism and hedonism. And on a certain level, I agree that both of those things make sense in a way. But like, okay, like what do you want out of life? Is the question that you've got to ask yourself. Like we can accept all the realities that like there doesn't seem to be any objective value to life. Okay, fair enough, but you're alive. So why not make the best of it? You know, and like hedonism, like, okay, wouldn't it be nice if we could in theory just like pleasure ourselves at a max rate all the time by let's say, you know, just doing heroin. But okay, would doing heroin every day actually give me the kind of life that would be the best? Like, am I going to enjoy having to do an illegal thing that could get me thrown in jail? Am I going to enjoy, you know, having to scrape up money to afford this thing? And it doesn't have to be that bad, obviously. It could be a symbols ordering a pizza, like Tom said. Did you want to cut in give? Do you want to say something? I just thought like doing heroin, doing any drug over and over will reduce like the impact it has on you. So you'd need more. It goes back to being happy now versus being happy in an hour. But you know, but you know what doesn't fade. But you know what doesn't fade. I mean, so this is actually how I arrived at like what I want out of my life. You know what I want? I want a big, happy family that loves me legitimately. I want to be financially secure so I don't need to worry about the world. And I want to live in an environment where I, you know, feel good about myself. I feel good about like my environment. It gives me positive vibes. And I want to physically like take care of myself so I live as long as possible and get to enjoy all this stuff. So like, okay, like if you disagree with those approaches then we're not going to agree. Like if you think like a good life is to just feel like let's say sexual pleasure as often as possible. Let's say that's your goal then I would highly recommend you start investigating how it is you can actually like make a plan to have as much sex as possible. I mean, maybe the plan for that is to literally just get a wife who loves sex. Then you need to like, okay, gotta be able to support her. Gotta be able to fucking, you know, like what is your goal in life? That is where you need to start with this. You heard mine and that's what I want. So to get there, I'm doing things like pursuing careers that make me happy. You know, like making sure I make enough money so I don't need to worry about and have freedom to do what I want to do. You know, like in my relationship I try to make sure that I'm happy, that the other person's happy. All these things are worth thinking about. And to the point of being a hedonist. The thing is though, everything I described sounds like, I don't know, like fucking life coach, you're like, hedonism's wrong. I think that like every human is basically just a hedonist. I'm simply a hedonist who wants to maximize across like the entire 70, 80, 90, maybe longer years of my life how happy and enjoyable life is. And there's a completely rational basis to do your homework, work out several times a week, eat healthy and deny yourself sugary foods that are a fleeting high. See, it's a fleeting high versus delaying gratification to live a happier life. That's where I would start with you. Think about what you want out of life and think about how to get there. That hashtag emotional edging life, you know? Exactly, that's the one. I mean, yeah, that's pretty much all I got to say about it. Good luck dude, I hope you fucking crush it. Yeah, Kajuro, crush that puss and crush that dog also with the opposite of puss. Get it, excellent. Next question, this is a funny one actually. Tamaki X-Aid asks, what is your most boring passion? Your most boring passion. I like that a lot, I like that a lot. Damn, that's interesting. Okay, this isn't a passion, but like for example, I like to count to the number eight repeatedly throughout the day and I really enjoy doing it. Wait. That's, yeah, like it's like a text. Well, it's like when I'm driving, I'll play a little game with myself that I'll like, okay, it's gonna be hard to explain, but like I do a thing where like the telephone poles, like I try to count my own car lengths as I drive by them and I count up to eight and then I start over. And I like to, it's really satisfying for me when my eighth car length lands right before a final finishing telephone pole and isn't one of several lengths, cause you can fit like four cars in between telephone poles. And I do this constantly to myself. Yeah, that's what I've got. Go to hell, I enjoy it. Anybody else? Yeah. I just wanna think of like a boring passion I have. You go, mate. It's just related to Nate's thing. I also do like a little counting thing in my head. Whenever I'm waiting for something. What do you count to? Yeah, whenever I'm waiting for something and like, you know, like let's say I'm hitting something at the microwave or like something else, basically it's just, I count down from six to one, three times. Wait, I'm sorry, say that one more time. I'm trying to parse that memory. But I'm waiting for things. Let's say I'm hitting something in the microwave and like I see there's like less than a minute left, then I start counting in my head, like six, five, four. And I do it like, like when I reach one, I go back to six and I count down again. I do it three times in total. The mark of the beast. That's so appropriate for Mage. Interesting, now let me, do you do that as a way to kind of force time to pass so that when you look back? Yeah, I totally get that. I totally get it. I just felt like that too. Yeah, it just like, because I'm dragging out the numbers like six, five, it sounds like I'm counting seconds, but like each second takes like five seconds to count, you know, so like. That makes sense, makes sense. You know what I do when I'm on the treadmill at the gym, like, and I see that there's like a minute left, that's when I like really start to like, I try to really forcibly distract myself, like hardcore from not paying attention to like what I'm doing or the, you know, pain. It's not really pain, but like the pain of running. And then like when I look back, I'm like, yes, 10 seconds have passed and I keep forcing myself to like be distracted by things. It really only works in that last minute, because like I try to do it when I'm like running for like long-term things and like distract myself so that when I look back at the clock, more time has passed, but it's pretty ineffective just because like, I don't know, whatever. It like, my brain is only like excited for the end to come when I'm actually close to it, like in that last minute or whatever, but whatever, just saying, I do that too. When I have to wait for longer things, I count down from 60 and I always count down because like when I count up, it just feels like it doesn't, it's not as satisfying as reaching like the last 10, nine, eight, you know, it's just like, it's exciting. Like the lesser the number, the more exciting it gets. Like counting up is really, really tedious. It could go on forever. Like, well, okay, I reach 60, but I can't go like 61, 62, but when I'm counting down to like the last numbers, like I reach 0, 0, 0, and that's it. That's all, that's final. Everyone's dead. Tom or Gib, do you have any boring passions in life? I have, well, I don't know whether it's like a boring passion. I thought just like, because like the things you said, what didn't seem like passions, they just seemed like funny things. Yeah, that's true, that's true. If we're talking about funny things, I like to open doors the absolute minimum amount that I need to slip through. Oh, okay, okay. Like if I need to just leave my room, I don't open the door the full way, I don't push it. I just open it just enough to slip through like a cat. I was gonna say, you're just like a cat. Yeah, exactly. Because I feel like, well, I mean, I'm quite thin, so I can slip through. And I don't know why. I think it's just sort of something I've always done because why expend extra energy to push a heavy door even further? I would argue you're spending more energy by doing it this way. Okay, you know what, I'm not here to judge. This is just interesting. No, but like I do movements like that for no real reason. I just like weird pirouettes and like moving swiftly from like, I sort of glide. Like when I'm getting a cup of tea, I put the kettle on and then sort of, when it's time to get the milk in, I sort of glide over to the fridge, pull it open with enough force to like open the seal so that it's not like sticking and then the door slowly opens and while it's opening, like I let go of it to let it swing open slowly. I grab the milk and then I kick it back as I swoosh round like I twirl around. Like it's completely pointless, but it's sort of like nice to have like a flow to random pointless movements. You've completely failed this question because this isn't boring at all. This is fascinating. This is fascinating. Where was this during Give Makes Breakfast on the rag? Yeah, I want to see those pirouettes and shit. Well, it's only when I'm like really, really into, not into, but like familiar with the location. We need to write. So like if I do something a lot, I get bored of like doing it normally. So I just do it silly. We need a candid camera of Give Makes Breakfast in the home land. That's true. Clearly. I mean, I do a lot of talking to myself in the car that I feel might be a similar sort of thing or I'll just like yell things at myself. Like just cause like I feel like I wouldn't do it if there was a crowd, but I like feel free and I can just like go crazy in my car. It's why I love driving. It's just like, I can just. I should never do that. I'm free. There's a sick animation video of a guy. I can't remember what it's called. I'll link it to you later. It's like a guy is in his car. He's going, oh, he's doing a Mickey Mouse voice. And he's been all completely retarded. And then he gets out of his car and then he walks over to someone and just says, hey, it's just like when you're in your car, you're completely insane. But as soon as you come out, just like a normal person. That's awesome. Shout out to sick animation. Maybe we can find that later and look at the show. I don't know how people do that. Even when I know I'm completely alone and no one can hear me, I still can't like bring myself to do like noises, like yell or sing loudly or something that I can't. I do it all the time. Yeah, I just turned to a complete idiot. I just let my full autist just come out when no one's around. I think you're joking, but I can take this mask off. When I forget, like I'll just make weird sounds to myself. And be like, oh, oh, oh. Yeah, I'll just do that. I do that sometimes, but only when like I'm thinking was like, I forgot how this sounds. Or like, would I be able to pronounce this thing? So I just randomly say things sometimes, but not loud. My brain just needs to like make sure it's alive sometimes. So it just like gives me like these weird vocal spasms. It's like, yeah, your vocal chords still work. Just double checking. Oh, oh, I've actually got a boring passion. Okay. All right, I enjoy, I don't have a scrapbook, but I collect things as if I was going to put them in a scrapbook and I leave them in a drawer. Things like every plane ticket I have, every like thing, when they wrap the thing around the bag, the bag tags, I keep those after I rip them off. I just put them in there because any tickets or things that I've been to, I'm like, you know what? That has a date on it. I can look at that date and try to remember what happened. So I'll keep it. So that's really boring, but I enjoy doing it. Yeah, okay. That qualifies. That qualifies like a stamp collecting thing. It's pretty boring for people. I mean, you know, other people don't care. Yeah, all right, all right. Tom, did you have one? I'm like trying to think of something actually. I know it's hard, right? I think mine was the total failure. Mine is so wrong. I can't think of a good one. I think there are probably things, but they just blend into my life because I don't think about them 99% of the time. Yeah, yeah. It's hard to think of something that you can understand as boring and also something that you are passionate about. Yeah, that's true. If you are passionate about it, you don't think of it as boring. You know what? I think I actually have one and this is sort of demonstrably boring I have a passion for playing video games alone or like just like Zen, like cause like in college, my friends would all gather around and we'd play like all these games together. But like when I was playing like Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep came out during that time and like people would like try to talk to me. I'd be like, fuck off. I'm playing like I care about what's happening. Shut the hell up. I can't stream games for that reason because I still feel like there's a crowd of people. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I would only stream a game I like don't care about or like have beaten a bunch of times. No, if I was gonna, if I play a new game, like get the fuck away from me. Yeah, yeah. Talk to you. I don't wanna see you. When Ben and I did our legendary T-Bat plays of Equestria Bound, I think one of the reasons it was so nightmarishly horrible and it lasted for more than a hundred episodes was just because like, because of this like new game syndrome where like I actually like was trying to like figure out what was going on and I'm incapable of both like being a funny let's play boy. I mean, this was years ago at this point and also like trying to like enjoy a new game. I can't do both at the same time. For a while I was streaming Devil May Cry 5 or DMC Devil May Cry and I could stream that fine because like I'd already played that game like at least seven times by the time I streamed it. So I was like just talking in the chat and like having discussions and just like mindlessly like destroying that game because it's super easy. It's like me and my like in Boston there's this awesome theater. I don't know if it still does. I assume it still does that plays the room like every like Friday night or something. And it's like a big event and everyone has so much fun because there's so many like community things. Like we all when the spoons appear on screen we all throw spoons at the screen. I've seen stuff about that. And you actually participate in those. Oh, that sounds so fun. We went a couple times. Dude, it's so much fun. You guys should definitely come sometime. But the thing is I took my friend John to one. He had not seen the room before and this was a nightmarish experience for him. He had no idea what was going. It was a mistake. It was just like we were going anyway and he was in town. I actually haven't seen the room. I keep planning on watching it but you're gonna love it. I promise you. I know enough about it. It's even better than Gern-Loggin. Well, let's not get crazy. I feel like I'm overhyped for the room. I feel like if I actually would have watched it, it wouldn't be that fun. I just, it seems fun to just like throw spoons at the screen whenever spoons appear and everyone's spoons. It just sounds so stupid. I love it. And there's times when they go outside and throw the ball around that in the theater we have footballs that we toss around to each other. Oh God, it's, I mean, just one of the best movie watching experiences I've ever had. But yeah, don't get overhyped. I remember hearing about that movie first from the nostalgia critic and his review of the room. That was a while ago. And I must have watched a dozen times, a dozen times I watched that video and then I was like, you know what, let's actually check out the movie. And amazingly it was even better than the nostalgia critic review of that movie. I know, I know. I'm shocking. Okay, I've got one more question. Actually, Tom, did you think of anything? I mean, the only thing I can come up with which is super fucking mundane and really boring is that like when I'm just doing nothing sometimes I'll have like my phone or like a computer or whatever. I kind of like just playing with like the little animations that they put in and just like trying to like slowly look. Like sometimes like I got an iPhone right now if you swipe down it goes like the search bar but it slowly blurs out the background. Like just slowly playing with that sometimes like watching the animation. Okay. Yeah, it's dumb. Just like, yeah, this is cool. It's a blur, fun. And like any little thing I'll like play with little transitions like that because I'm easily amused by things that move. I am very passionate about like whenever I'm bored or tired that I don't want to go to bed placing my forehead on the table and just sitting there. Oh, that's awesome. That's a perfect example. She's passionate about placing her forehead on her desk. I love that. That's fantastic. Waiting for death. That's amazing. Somebody please draw a mage waiting for death sitting at her desk with her forehead pressed to it. Oh, I love that. I love that. How long will you sit there for? I sometimes actually sit for more than an hour because I just. Oh my God. What a legend. You know, to be fair, I am thinking about things while I'm doing it. I just can't or don't want to go to bed and I'm just too exhausted to do anything on the computer. Oh, that is the worst middle ground. Yeah, that's. I love that. Sometimes I do something similar but it's not when I'm tired. It's when I feel like death. When I'm really sick and I curl up in like the prayer pose for like, you know, how Muslims pray. Though they're like head to the ground sort of thing. Yeah, I just, that's the most comfortable position. I go into the bathroom, I sit down there with my head on the ground. Oh no. And I stay there for like until I feel better. Wow. And it works like a charm. Mohamed has blessed you, I guess. I guess so, yeah. Well, fantastic. Are you facing Mecca when you do this? Yeah, so that's to ask. Are you facing Mecca? I've never checked. Oh, maybe you are. I'm probably facing Mecca like one quarter of the time. Your bathroom's positioned in such a way that you just happen to be facing the Holy Land. He's facing Mecca, aka Gurren Lagan, aka Gundam. Get it, do you understand the joke? No. All right, excellent. I hate you. Mecca, I get it. Yeah, yeah. Excellent, excellent. All right, all right. Here's one more question. We should, where did it go? This is from RU guy or RU guy says, I can't come up with a question. What was your favorite anime? Okay, no, I'm just kidding. This is that actually was a question though. We already made a terrible joke like that last week. That every, it's funny to me every time. Please keep asking what's your favorite anime. No, don't. It's so funny. I can't stop laughing every damn time. Oh shit, where did it go? Fuck, sorry, I lost my place. No, that wasn't it. It was, God damn it. I know I was gonna read something. This is why you don't read the ones about anime. The fucking anime questions are the bane of this fucking question section. No, I already read that one. How about, no, that's shit. Okay, here's one sort of relevant. A meme slayer, and I think another person asked this too. Iroxen basically asked, biggest dip in quality from a franchise? Like started good and did terribly. I mean. I'm stuck. Oh shit. And that was like, that wasn't even a reboot. That was just the same thing. It's just the same thing. It got so bad. It got so bad. I don't know. I really gotta watch that American Psycho 2 because I think it might be American Psycho 2 from what I've heard. I think American Psycho 2 just makes me think of like all those not really made by Disney, not high budget Disney sequels. Harvest Moon. Right. Harvest Moon, really, you think so? I've only played one and only barely. The one on the PC, have you played that one or seen anything about it? I've been playing Stardew Valley, but no, no, I have not. Stardew Valley is not from the franchise. There's like, it's been, Harvest Moon things sort of like split between like Story of Seasons and Harvest Moon and like the original Harvest Moon people I think are working on Story of Seasons games and the current Harvest Moon is just like absolute crap. If you know anything about the PC one. Oof, oof, that's terrible. I never played, a quick disclaimer, I never played like the old Harvest Moon games because I never had a handheld. I played one of the Story of Seasons games and it was okay. But the PC one, they charge like $40 for something that's like worse than like a mobile game I feel sometimes. It's just like, oh, the graphics are so terrible. How can they charge so much? For something so horrible. And like, I've heard the reviews and sort of like the Let's Plays I've watched. I thoroughly researched because I really wanted to get a Harvest Moon for PC because I like PC games. But like, ah, it's so terrible. You just got the shit though. It's not worth the money. It's so disappointing that I only got into the Harvest Moon when it started being absolutely shit. At least you got the old games, I guess. I've got one, Bionicle. The first six Bionicles were the coolest ones and then after that they all sucked. I totally stopped caring about Bionicle for that reason because I really liked the first designs and they were super cool. People are really into Bionicle. Shut the fuck up, mate. Bionicle's dope as shit. I will kill you. It literally is dope as the... As like adults of Bionicle. Dude, this is a while ago. I want Bionicle so bad, but it's too expensive. Did you? I lost all of mine. Dude, yes! No, Hippo, did you get like the Lego magazine back in the day they have that in the UK? I did. Did you get like the original like DC comic book with like the little interactive CD that like introduce all the characters and like blew my mind to shit? I didn't get that little CD. It was so sick. It had like full 3D animations of like all the characters and introducing the world. That is a big nostalgia, but I completely forgot about that. But yeah, it was like at the GameCube sized CD. Yes. And it came with like the... It was like the first comic I had like the one with Kopaka, the ice guy. That was like his store, his back store. Then the disc had all the characters on it. And like for the next couple of issues it kept up a comic, they told all the characters. I was like, I love this. This is the coolest shit ever. It was dope. And I bought all the sets. My mom hated me because I spent all her money, but it was so cool. And then like two years later or like a year later, they changed all the designs and nobody looked cool anymore and I wanted to kill myself. They fucking... Numered them. They numered all of the bionicles and they had too many bells, too many whistles. The masks were not iconic anymore. Agreed. They sucked. Agreed, the worst. The only bionicle spin-off I liked were the little spinny guys that turned into a ball that you could roll around those with. I remember those, yeah, yeah. I think Biter told me about exactly what you guys are talking about, like how they used to be cool but they're not anymore. A long while ago it's just like, this is so weird. Feels like Tisha. It still haunts me. It still haunts me. The bionicle sucks. Yeah, it's awful. That's a good answer. That's a good answer. Well, hey, guys. Okay, enough questions for now, I guess. But I've got a thing, though. So I've got two things to say. Now, a number of the first one is I want to announce on an actual episode in case we haven't already. The PCP Highlights channel exists now. Did we mention that last time? I don't think we did. I don't think we did. So there's a new channel. It's called PCP Highlights and it is highlights from various PCP episodes. Now, as time of recording, there's only one. But there's going to be a bunch out by the time you see this shit. So I'm just letting everybody know. That's where we're gonna be putting highlights and little clips, episodes and shit. It's kind of trying to get off the floor right now. It's basically just me doing it. But we're working on it. We're exploring. I think people are going to appreciate it. So there's that. I'm sure there'll be a link in the description and I'll probably put a link in the channel banner as well. Are there people making their own clips as well already? Yeah, a bunch of people have... I only made one. A bunch of people have submitted clips and a bunch of other people have just given time codes for things they think are good things to do. And if you're a patron and you go to the PCP Highlights channel on the PCP Patron Discord, then people are submitting stuff there that I'm taking suggestions from. So if you just give a good moment, I'll give it a look over and we'll see how this goes. So just letting you know. Should we announce the... I think we already announced it but the contest for our theme? Yes, that was announced two episodes ago as of this happening. And it's... Yeah, we forgot to mention it last time. That's right, because the episode hadn't come out yet so nobody's submitted anything. But we've gotten at least one submission already from our buddy AJ Shoup. Now, like I... Full disclosure, I have not listened to it yet. I'm like... So we're getting them in. I think what we should do is by next time, by next time we should wait for them, some more ones to roll in. See how many we get and then do a review or kind of go over it as a segment and see what we've got. I mean like musical themes or something. Yeah, yeah. Intro themes for the procrastinators. That's right. So I guess for now what we'll say is, so people, keep submitting them and keep sending us your shit. If you're a patron, go to the fan art warehouse and submit them. If you're not a patron, feel free to tweet us. What do we say? Like hashtag PCP theme, I think was the deal. Or add TP procrastinators and we'll take a peek. So do that and it sounds good. Now the only other thing I wanted to say at the end of the episode here was, so a while ago we did talk about doing like highlighting people's like art and stuff and I think we should do that. I agree. I think we should do that. So we still got that fan art warehouse in the patron discord there. Other than that, you'll have to tweet at us if you wanna send us your shit. So feel free to add TP procrastinators and I guess hashtag PCP fan art? PCP art? I don't know, I'll check both of those. So if you guys are in the fan art warehouse thing on the patron discord, I'm looking there. I also linked one in the main chat. Check out this drawing who showed up in the last bonus episode of the Lord of Ghosts himself by Lens Lines. I think it's Lines Lines, I think it is. Looks awesome. It looks awesome. Does the Lord of Ghosts canonically have a gun? Let's be serious here. Well. I mean, artistic liberties. It's the ghost of a gun because gun control laws and they killed all the guns so now it's just the ghost of a destroyed gun. Yeah, when you outlaw something, the ghosts are now they have it. So they used to be drunk a long time ago and now they're all hooked up on drugs but now weed is legal so now all they have is guns. Excellent, excellent. Check out this other one from the Undertailer fan account. I think I've seen this around but it's submitted here regardless. It's like, it's a magenta filter overlaid picture of Briska that says I have so much sex with my husband, Tavros. This is Sublime. This is Supreme. That's Digi. It's definitely like Digi, Briska. I forget the, I remember there was context to why he drew this and I can't remember it. Was there? I mean, I get that it's like Digi, Briska. Like this is what Briska would be like if she were literally Digi. But I like the, I actually like everything about this. This is great. This is fantastic. Now next one here is coming from Yaboi Chip in the Franks or Chip Wiseman at Chip Wiseman Art on Twitter and it's a picture of a good ol' arm defeating Digi for good and all in the legendary Radcon 3 Royal Rumble. One of the most amazing moments. How he drew that, like the motion. The impact feels tangible. Yeah, it's so dynamic. It's so dynamic. I love it. By the way, these are from like months ago. So like nobody's been submitting them. Anything that has Digi getting his ass beat is great a material to me. I don't know about you guys. That's, yeah. I mean, that's pretty good for now. The problem is we've just totally let this like lie and like haven't been doing it at all. We've been talking about it and we never really started. So, you know, the best that's right. This is the start. People send in images of PCP related stuff and we will talk about it next episode if you put it in or tweet at us. I think of the most reliable way is to use Twitter to, let's develop a real hashtag right now for things for this that I can just search the hashtag. What we should do is if we're gonna do it on Twitter we should just create a moment on the PCP Twitter account and gather all the tweets we get. What the hell is a goddamn, I don't know what, a moment is a thing where you can save tweets in a gallery, in a place. That sounds actually super helpful. It's what I use on Twitter for all my 3D stuff. I just put them in a moment. I have a moment of like when I invented the Aliyup character. Oh shoot, can I, can I like make like a moment out of all like the art sort of tutorial things that I favor? Yes. You can make a moment for whatever you need. Ah, that is so useful. I've been wanting that. There you go. Yes. Well that's cool, that's cool. So all right, so maybe we'll do that but I guess we should still just have a hashtag. All right, let's call it hashtag PCP art. All right, we'll go with that. And just whatever you wanna submit, we will look at it. We'll do, we have to develop some like infrastructure to actually listen to like music or something. I don't know how we could work that in. All right, but we're working on people. We're trying to improve. We're trying to expand. And you know, people have also been asking about like having a voicemail box to listen to voicemails. We really should have that. I'm totally down for that. I'm totally down for that. I mean we brought that up a while ago but the problem was that logistically we just don't know how to do it yet but I'm sure. Yeah, that's right. I'm sure with a little bit of Googling it may be some actual effort. Please send us instructions on how to do it. I don't know, I'm too baby, I'm a baby. I hope someone sends you a link. When I hit two years old I'm gonna die and I'll be replaced by another baby. I'm not allowed to live. My gun won't protect me from that age limit of my life. But that's a good thing. That's a quality meme. Please draw that and send that to hashtag PCP art. Please draw this to perfect society. Every baby with a gun. Draw this perfect society of under two year old babies all armed with guns and all the two year olds being shipped off to the glue factory. That sounds perfect. No, to the gun factory. The babies become guns. They get turned into guns. Oh my God. Well, I've done half your work for you artists. Now get out there and put pencil to paper. I'm the ideas guy around here. Yeah, he is the ideas guy. All right, I think we're actually done now everybody. Hopefully we covered everything. Feel free to tweet us at TP Crasinators if I missed anything. But hey, you should definitely be a patron. Patreon.com slash the procrastinators, $1 you're in. You're in our, you're in our shit. You're up in our grill. $2 you're out. $2 you're out. Oh my God. Someone should make it so it works that way. Incredible. $1 and you're in. You get into the main chat. You're in the fucking, the chat, the TPC. What is it? The goddamn questions bar, the questions bar where we read lots of those questions from in addition to the hashtag ask piece of beyond Twitter. And also there's like 14 fucking bonus episodes and you get them all for patroning $5. That's $5. And beyond that, well, you're just a bit of a mad man. Well, that's it everybody. Thanks for listening. Thanks for joining us for this intellectually stimulating conversation. I had fun. I had fun. I hope you did too. Yeah, me too. Four people is a nice chill sort of discussion time. Yeah, we should not have 70 people on the next episode. Well, I will be on the next episode. So there you go. One last person. Look forward to major's next game review on the next episode of the PCP. We'll insert it post, you know, in editing. We'll get a little robot to say it. We'll fly a little drone around major wherever she goes that just pipes back audio only about game review and game analysis. It's got an algorithm to determine. Draw that to everybody. This drone. This game analysis drone. Just fucking everything. Draw it all, people. Draw it all. All right, thanks for listening, everybody. You know, give us your money. You know, do that. And also thanks for watching. See you next week, everybody. Bye. Good bye. Good bye, everybody. I'm supposed to be worth everything right now. I'm supposed to be working right. I'm doing the dick under.