 How are you doing? Well, so we are we were going to be recording with someone else tonight, but they've had a bit of plumbing emergencies. We thought let's do our coffee chat now. So how are you guys? I'm good. You know, it's it's Monday. It's usually we do these on Thursday, so it's awesome to have a early week coffee chat, but I feel good. I feel like the energy of the world right now is pretty exciting, or maybe it's just me. I don't know. How are you? How's your kitty? Yeah, it's lovely doing it on Monday because I've had a really different weekend this weekend. We took Friday off. All of us took my family took Friday off. We went for a really gorgeous long walk and have a pub lunch, which is a very British thing to do. So we went for like a 10 kilometer walk all across country to this lovely pub. And then Saturday, I went to it's my friend Andrew's birthday and her girlfriend Matt's. So we went down to Brighton and had a lovely lunch out with them and saw them and had such good fun. So it's been a really, really lovely weekend. And obviously I've got my new cat who's I've just put inside. She's been out here. It's interesting. They're reclaiming his favorite spot. So it's really good. But amongst all that, of course, you've got your inner world, haven't you, in terms of what's going on sort of within yourself and in your immediate vicinity. And then you've got all the other stuff. So it's been a really great time of reflection to me. I've been putting into practice a lot of what you and I have been talking about about the meditation, about reflection, about there's a few things that cropped up this week that have really triggered me and looking at, you know, okay, what's this trying to teach me? Why am I reacting? What is it that's really unresolved for me to actually feel I've got to react to this? Yes. Yeah. And that's been huge for me too, because we know that we cannot control everything that happens in the exterior and the outside world. The only thing we can control is our own self and our own reaction to that experience. And, you know, it's kind of like we talked about last week. And I think as we talk about this, it's for us as well, like we're not, you know, I've said this before, kind of one of jokes about philosophy teachers as we teach what we need to learn the most. You know, it's talking this through because this is one of my teachers used to call this the unsolvable riddle. Like how do you experience your emotions, your triggers, but also learn from them enough to understand that they're just an attachment to an illusion. It's just mind blowing to actually contemplate that. But the best we can do is focus on our inner world. And you and I have really been focusing on that, I think both on both of our channels and together about, you know, if you can't change what's happening outside of you, you can change what's happening inside of you. And if we all did that, if we all took the time to really engage in what we call praptia hara self study, then I think where we want to be collectively will come a lot faster than it is. It does that makes like, does that makes like if we're all in the mirror, you know. Yeah, it makes perfect sense. And it's so true because I've been involved in lots of conversations over last week, as I'm sure every single person watching this has about the Russian Ukraine situation won't say those words too many times. And the thing is, so I would say it's like assholes, everyone's got an opinion on it. Most of us do not know at the moment how vital our opinion is. There's so many probably other options that haven't even been discussed that could be happening there. So people think it's this or it's this or, you know, you know, he's good, he's bad, and so we've spoken about that. And what I was really hit home to me actually over probably about really since the Ukraine situations happened is I thought, wow, I've got to stop focusing on other people and what they think, but because I'm seeing a reflection that I don't think that most of you can see has learned anything over the last two years. Now, of course, that's just my perception of how I'm seeing people react to things. And therefore, I'm just thinking, okay, enough time to really just concentrate on myself. And by that, I don't mean I'm not going to have conversations with people like you, because I love learning, but it's got to not be about other people, because if we're dependent on anyone, whether it's our husband, whether it's our neighbor, whether it's our children, whether it's a world leader, that's outside our control. Yeah. And that's the whole point. I think that's the whole point of this great awakening is that we can't hand our power away. And also, when something goes wrong, and you get mad at somebody else for something going wrong, that's also handing your power away. You know what I'm saying? It's not that people don't need to be vindicated or have some sort of justice, but it's almost like we're at this point where we still haven't learned to let go of the matrix in the sense that we need a leader or we need somebody to do this for us, or it's only true if this person says it, or it's only true if that person says it, and we're forgetting to take that power back ourselves. Because the whole thing that we know about, like the higher self, that's our higher selves, our higher selves already know everything that's going to happen. Our higher selves are aware of everything. It's our lower selves that are idiots that don't know anything. And so, but if we learn to settle into that and know that everything is going as it's supposed to, whether that's good or bad, or however you perceive that, we can start to then take that power back ourselves and start to work on our own experience in this timeline, because that's what it's about. And I know that there's panic. I know people are panicked right now. I understand it. And there's something interesting about the human body. And I think this happens with the human brain too. So, I'm involved in heavy exercise and very extreme yoga practice. I also do other things too. And I see it in myself and I see it in my students that right before the body is on the precipice of change. So, right before there's a breakthrough in the body, right before someone gets that leg behind their head or is able to do a drop back into a back bend, the body panics. And so, the body pulls back. And so, that's when the person is the most sore, the most emotional. And it's because the body knows that it's about to enter into a territory that it doesn't know, that it's not familiar with. And so, it would rather sit back in the area it knows for sure instead of venture into this new territory. Well, I think the same thing happens with our psyches as well, what actually I know it does because the body is the mind field. And it's almost like you see this repetitive with people. Like instead of taking a chance and healing and going into a new place that's unfamiliar, they'd rather stay in the toxic cycle because they know it. And so, I think that's happening collectively. We're still acting out behaviors that we were taught in the matrix of relying on a ruling elite, on relying on a celebrity, on relying on somebody else to tell us what to do versus venturing into this new territory where we only rely on ourselves. It's so important. And I think you and I are also talking in those conversations off camera, that that also links into really understanding yourself and understanding what you personally stand for. Because one of the things I think we both experienced, and again probably lots of other people have as well, is a lot of people can be very on their soapbox, I stand for this, I'm going to stand up for that until it either involves hitting them in their own pocket, or they're making some quite difficult change in their life. So, I'm seeing a lot of on a micro level, a lot of people demonstrating quite a lot of epoxy and saying, yeah, I stand for this, I stand for justice, I stand for this, as long as it doesn't affect my decisions. I can do it because I'm talking about something that's far away that doesn't directly involve me at the moment. But actually, how am I acting out and behaving on my day-to-day decisions, on my day-to-day way that I'm living my life, the way I'm speaking to people, the way I'm spending my money, are they in line with my core values or not? Absolutely. And if they're not, then we're no better than the virtue signalers on the other side. The last episode I did with Sean Stone, which we're going to be filming with him later, he said something genius, like if you don't agree with The Matrix, then why are you still shopping at certain coffee shops? I won't say the name of them. You have to start, and it's going to make you uncomfortable, like change is always uncomfortable. But change is never, for a lot of people, that friction of change can be not pleasant. If you've ever done a detox, you know how unpleasant that can be for a while, right? But it brings you to a new place. And so, yeah, at the end of the day, it is that man in the mirror. You've got to start with you. And what is that true character? Is how you behave when nobody else is looking? Absolutely. And I think this is why a lot of the stuff, as you were saying, that the teacher teaches what they most need to learn. So part of the stuff why we're having this series on meditation, I'm doing my manifestation one, is because you and I have found this so instrumental in terms of how we cope with trying to stop getting drawn into things when we see ourselves. And I do, you know, I see myself getting drawn into things, but I catch it a lot quicker these days. And also, I then know what to do about it. When I'm seeing my sort of reactivity levels go up, I know what I can do that works for me. So for me, it is either a bit doing the meditation, or getting out and walking the dogs or walking the horses or, of course, cuddling a cat. But yeah, you find what works for you as an individual. And that can take some time to build up, can't it? Yeah, there's a great book. I was actually telling our friend Stephanie this morning, there's a great book, of course, written by Rom Doss. You would think I was one of his publicists, even though he's no longer with us. But I really just really, Rom Doss is one of my favorite teachers ever. And it's called Polishing the Mirror. And it's it's his own story. But the first time I read it, I cried my way through it, because he talks a lot about this. He talks a lot about being able to observe your emotions, being able to be that's a power move. If I'm kind of on this kick of power moves, you know, so many times we get swept up into our emotions, right to the point where it's all you know, that expression seeing red when you're mad, like that's all you can be in is this vibration of whatever emotion it is, be it good or bad. And part of your power move as a living breathing soul is to be able to feel that emotion. But no, it's just an emotion. And observe it as interesting. And then you start when you start to be able to do that, according to like yogic philosophy, you start to bring power away from the ego. And you're bringing it back to the humility of the soul. You know, and I think I think and this again is for me too, I have to catch myself in this all the time because I'm super emotional. You know, I have to be able to sit back and it's so hard. It's so hard when someone pisses you off or there's been some injustice done for you to say like, okay, I just have to settle into this and just let it be. I'm feeling this emotion right now because of cause and effect of what happened. It's just an emotion. It's just a thought. It's going to pass. But I need to focus on myself. But it also goes back into this too, which we see it a lot. And you know, like 20 year olds get into this, but they're 30 and 40 year olds that get to this as well, where we're basing our inner happiness on somebody else. We see this a lot of love relationships. Like you're never going to be happy in a relationship until you're actually able to love yourself. So you're actually able to be happy by yourself. Then you can come into a healthy place within a relationship as well. And so you think about that with your relationship to the outside world and to your own nature. You have to be able to observe and that power move is like you said, going, ah, I see this. I see when this is coming. I can spot this coming instead of just living in that emotion and projecting it out of you. I hope that makes sense. I know this is all kind of fluffy, but yeah, no, this really does. And one of the things that I was having an interesting discussion with someone about weekend was about how that links in to boundaries and not allowing yourself to be ghastly to walk all over. And actually, I think for me personally, it works perfectly with boundaries, because when you've got control, you recognize your own emotions and you've got tools and techniques in place to bring them under control. It's so much easier not to get walked all over, isn't it? And to stay in your boundaries and what you feel comfortable and not accept people projecting their shit on you. Yes, exactly. Well, also, when you start noticing when you're doing that to people, then you can have a healthy way of stopping other people doing that to you as well, because you start to recognize patterns. Human beings, we live in patterns. Nature lives in patterns. That's the easiest thing for our brain to recognize is a freaking pattern. And also, you know, when you put a boundaries, if you're in, if you're with somebody who's toxic, they're not going to respect those boundaries. So you have to learn how to establish those boundaries for yourself and understand that toxic people will give pushback to your boundaries. And that's okay. And that's a healthy friendship, a healthy person will respect when you put a boundary up and we'll back off. It's like, with everything I've been through these last three months, I've just now made it a rule on my channel that when we have Stephanie on that, we're not going to ask about anybody else in the chair readings. It's just going to be about yourself. And that's because I realized that because of what had happened to me, like that wasn't cool. That's not cool. It's not cool to channel someone or look at their natal chart without their permission. Like that's not cool. It doesn't feel good. And so because I can recognize the issues that caused for me and the pain that caused for me, I'm not going to inflict that on somebody else, regardless of whether I know them or not. And so now we've established that rule. That's a boundary now that we're only going to take questions that pertain to you and how it can help, how the tarot cards can assist you and your growth, you know, and hopefully that will help people shift instead of looking in somebody else's backyard to see what they're doing, looking in your own backyard. And therefore, true healing can happen. True healing can't happen through somebody else. You can have a great therapist, a great healer that's a conduit, but the person who has to do the work is you. It's you. Yeah. And finding sort of who resonates you if you need to, to help you on that journey is really, really important. And I think most people that are watching this over the last couple of years, they're really working out what the balance is right for them in terms of listening and being aware of external information. And you and I, both in our respective areas, we love researching. We just love it. So, you know, that's something that gives me a lot of energy, gives me a lot of joy. It really keeps me sort of ticking over nicely. But equally, you've got to balance all about balance about, okay, I'm looking externally at certain things. And I've got to balance that with my own inner work, because it's very, very easy to sort of get particularly with what we've all been discovering over the last couple of years to focus your intention on what's wrong in the world, what's wrong with other people without doing the inner work. And I think I am noticing a lot of people certainly in our audiences are really recognizing that and really, you know, stepping up that balance. Yeah, it's so exciting to see people getting excited about meditation and doing their own healing. And that is going to bring up, you know, it's not, you know, when you go for healing, the scary thing is it is going to bring about the dark night of the soul. There are, there is going to be an ego death. And those are not fun to go through. It takes a very brave person to be able to stop looking into somebody else's backyard and to look at their own self that takes bravery and courage and guts. But you are brave and you are strong and you're not a coward. And so it's exciting to see so many people rediscovering themselves. You know, if we all were able to settle into our spirit and our vibration of who we really are instead of focused on somebody else, then this world would be such an incredible place. And we can all do that. It's not unattainable. It's absolutely attainable. We can all do that. And when you start stepping into this, so let's take meditation because it's one of the things of, you know, what we were going to be talking about today, both here but also with when we're talking going to be spoken to Shaun Stone later in the week now. For me personally, you know, we talked about before, I think I've been playing at meditation for years and years. But when I really decided to make a practice of it, a consistent practice of it, everything changed. And suddenly I can almost remember, I mean, for me, the biggest breakthrough I have was at the first one day Joe dispenser seminar that I went to. And it was a really interesting day because I bought my husband a ticket for his Christmas present. He really didn't want to go. But I really wanted him to get into it because I thought it would really help him. But unfortunately at that time had a really dear friend who's no longer with us. But because she was had a very serious illness, and she was coming along with us, and it was really important to her. My husband knew he had to be on his best behavior and take it seriously. So he went into the room, sort of pooing it all, and was completely blown away and a changed person when he walked out the room. Because he sat there and he saw just how amazing Joe dispenser was in real life and how, you know, nothing was scripted. He didn't read from any presentation. It was all off the cuff. And then most importantly, he was sitting down and doing it and being guided through by an expert. And he just got it straight away because he's really good at quietening his mind. And what we've done so far, and it's been it was really helpful for me because then when he was on board, we were able to carve out time together, not not even if we did the meditations together, but that just to really keep ourselves accountable that yes, this is really important. And we are going to make a consistent practice of it. And I can honestly say that since we've done that, everything in my life has changed everything, the connection with the animals, the connection with other people, the connection with myself, the connection with nature and a lot of the other fun things that you and I talk about, you know, the telepathy and things like that, all these other hidden parts of our brains and abilities start able to show themselves, don't they? Yeah, in yoga, we call those the cities. They come out in the third and fourth pada, which I'm technically not supposed to be talking about, but I'm going to talk about anyway, because I can do it. I want someone adult, I'm just kidding. But the cities, yeah, that's um, so what tends to happen, what we learn about the ego is not only does the ego or the fault sense of self make you more pompous and more fear based, but the ego also hides things from you. It hides things that you don't know you can do. And only until that ego death starts to happen, do you realize that there is a whole other side of your consciousness that the ego itself was hiding. And that is one of the telepathy, the heightened intuition that is part of the cities of the third and fourth pada. There's more cities. There's like levitation is a city being able to make things appear like consciously create like two apples out of one is a city. I can't do that. I've read stories of people who can, but that's a cool city to have. But you know, so all these things that deal with like how you start to understand your own consciousness, because we know like consciousness is not really this hardcore matter. It's constantly moving and changing. So if you learn how to be the master of your own consciousness, then you can you can start to tap into the side of your own spiritual life that the ego before then had blocked off. And you think about children, children see things that adults don't see. And that doesn't freak them out. It's because the ego isn't really there yet. It starts to build over time. And I love that he had such an experience. I was we were talking about this on the phone. And I think a lot of people don't really understand what the term guru means. And I know that there are a lot of people that take advantage of the term guru. All the guru really is like someone who's mastered a part of a teaching. And I was telling you that in India, at least like we know the guru can heighten the because they've mastered this to a point themselves doesn't mean they're perfect. It doesn't mean you should lionize them. It doesn't mean they should be on a pedestal. But they've mastered this, this craft, whichever one it is, whatever form of meditation it is, to a certain point that they can hold a certain vibration consciously, hold a certain element of vibration for the student so that the student can experience a potential that they have until they have that marker. So that when they leave the guru and practice on their own, they have more of an ability to to recreate that if that makes sense. Yeah, perfectly. And it's a really, really important point, because I think this is where you start to see the real teachers break away from the sort of more amateur ones, because there's only a certain level in any level of teaching you can get unless you've really embodied that skill yourself. Now, I don't mean say if you're a tennis coach, some some sports coaches can be absolutely brilliant coaches without physically be able to do it. But they've studied it so much, they understand the swing, they understand the technique, they understand how the mind of body works together. So, and whatever level of it is, you have to be sort of quite at a master level. And then you can even be at a master level, but not be able to explain it to other people. That is a different skill. And on top of that, to actually be able to teach that to other people successfully, as you say, hold that vibration. And it's also, you know, the guru, the master teacher's role is to also be able to notice you as the student to your blind spots. That's why in true spiritual form, you have to have a teacher. It's called Parampara. You have to have a teacher, because otherwise, if your blind spots are not being managed, you're going to go off into like Crazyville, you know, because it's now there's not going to be somebody there to manage what you what you're actually working through. And the ego then has the propensity to grow even bigger, because that teacher isn't there to like keep you on your path. Now, the teacher isn't doing the work for you. It's like my teacher in India. If we're in the mice or room and someone does a handstand when they're not supposed to, he goes and pushes them over. Like stop using your ego pushes them over like don't do this, you know, that humility, keeping that humility there in in your practice or in whatever practice it is, whether it's awesome or meditation, whatever, you know, keeping you in that straight narrow. And that's that's that's really, really important that you have someone, whether it's someone like Joe Dispensa, where you go one time or it's someone you're following or something that you have something to help you understand the complexity of who you are. And yeah, again, I want to I want to just say that the guru again, I'm going to say this again is not someone for you to lionize. Don't lionize anyone and a good guru would not allow you to lionize them. They would put a boundary up when it that's a good guru would would definitely put a boundary up and say, No, no, no, no, this is about you. I'm here for you. You're the star, not me. You are I'm here to help you and all the all the gurus that you see all the master teachers you see, guess what? They have a teacher too. They have so it's all of us keeping each other accountable, but not stepping into each other's way as far as how one grows. So it's it's it's so it's you know, when you get into these deep spiritual practices, regardless of whether because the form of a meditation I practice is the Tristana method. So my meditation is very different from what you see other people doing, which we can talk about in a later date. But that is what works for me because my I am my dosh is Vata, it's air. And so mine, I do have the propensity to overthink. I do have the propensity to put myself in a place of anxiety or are just exhausting a thought. And so the Tristana method works for me in order to get the mind to focus on something else so it can calm itself down. But but yeah, it's it's it's it's interesting and it's fun when you start to I mean, sometimes it's fun. Sometimes it sucks when you realize you're kind of an asshole and you need to fix that. So but you know, it really is very rewarding after you go on a long journey, isn't it? Because you just change so much so much about you changes. Oh, and you find out so much about yourself that you didn't even know on the way. And I think it's a really important thing that you said about the meditation and we've spoken about it before. There's so many different types. And that none of them are better or worse than another different things will meditate will resonate with you at different times. So you might want to start off with one method and then you might progress on to another. But when I mean progress, I mean, just because you're to stage where you're looking for something different, not in terms of hierarchical progression. And it is literally just natural evolution. And it's really, really important that you know, to drop the comparison side of things. Because, you know, just because someone else might sit there sitting there for six hours a day meditating isn't necessarily better than sitting there for half an hour a day. You need at that time. And there's a purpose for all extremes. And it also depends on where you live in the world. So this is an Ayurvedic trick. So I live in the middle of a city. I'm smack dab in the middle of six million people, like literally living on top of each other. And so for me, a city because of the lights and the sounds and the noise and the energy is considered lotta, which is what I naturally am anyway. There's lots of lights, there's lots of sounds, there's lots of like derangement going on. And so one of the laws of Ayurveda, which is the sister science to yoga is, is that you cannot be as pure as your external world if the imbalance in harmony. And so for someone like myself, meditating for two, three, four hours a day sitting on a meditation pillow would end up causing me to go into vata derangement because of my external world. But someone like Catherine, because she lives in a beautiful country, she has more of ability to sit quietly longer because it matches her outside world. I hope that like it's so it's when you start to look at the Ayurveda of energy, energy works like, oh my gosh, this makes so much sense. It's like if you live in the city of London and you are a strict raw vegan, you would probably have some more health issues than someone who lived where Catherine is and is a strict raw vegan. Catherine and I are both vegetarians. But I always laugh with my students. I'm like, yeah, because you live in a city that means you get to go have a beer every now and again because you have to, you can't be as pure as your environment because you have to keep yourself in that balance. And that's something that's super, super interesting. So therefore it is going to be different literally for every person depending on where they are. There is, I was just looking at my candle here, I have a little sage candle. There is a meditation that's super simple or all you do is for like 10 minutes, you just watch a flicker of light. So you do for 10 minutes, something simple like that and see the calmness that comes over your mind. It doesn't have to be something as elaborate as the Tristanametha like I do or sitting for three hours or there's one in one of Romdoss books, he talks about going to this meditation retreat where they would have to sit up so straight that one of the proprietors would like whack them with a stick if they started to slouch over. It doesn't have to be that extreme guys, he actually laughed about it like I didn't need to do that. But it can be something super simple is just looking at a flickering flame for 10 minutes, start there. I did a Zoom the other night with some girls and I taught them the Om chanting. We did the Om Ganapathayana Ma, the Ganesha Chanta and then we just did just a simple Om and all you need is five minutes and that starts you on your journey. So yeah, everything, everybody's different, every stage of life is different, everybody's physical mental placement in life right now are different and so you have to meet yourself where you are, not where somebody else is. Yeah and that makes such sense about the environment because we've spoken quite a lot before about us all being energy and you know the tuning forks just you set off one tuning fork and the other tuning fork has to match the vibration so it will either come down or up depending on what its starting point was. So if you're an environment, every environment's got a certain vibration and so it might be more challenging for you depending on your personality type and that's where it's really important to recognize recognize when there's the resistance, recognize when there's the blocks and look at do you want to do something about that and making realizing that there's so much about our lives that we can actually change. So even if you can't say you're a country bumpkin like me and you want more life force and you want to go out and live in a city well if you can't go and move house then perhaps you can go and spend one day a week there or something it's looking at what you can do and having that mindset of okay what am I missing what feels out of alignment for me what are my options to do something about it. Yeah absolutely take your power back stop being the victim take your power back. I told an episode with Shanti I was engaged in my early 30s to a man who was very abusive and I actually almost lost my life one night I got strangled and I was talking about everything that happened after that and I did go through trauma therapy and I look back at that now and even though people would label that as like oh that's awful that's horrible it was one of the greatest gifts the universe ever gave me because it forced me it forced me to have to change it forced me to have to go deeper into my own work to heal from that and to figure out why I'd attracted that and so and so yeah it every obstacle you have whether you're living somewhere you don't want to live or you're you can't you're stuck because your city's still like super into this you know narrative of you know the the virus that seems to have gone away overnight but you know what is this opportunity teaching me and how what can I do to transform it that's as as our friend Shanti says that's the power of alchemy it's taking the lead and changing it into gold and you have that power and only you only you can do that for yourself nobody else can do that for you only you can and that's scary but that's also a huge power move that you have that power it's so lovely to go through that and acceptance is such a big part of that as you said you know you you can't move on until you accept where you are and accept where you are there's a big difference between guilt and judgment and actually full acceptance what have I attracted into my life um you know I tend to have a giggle about it because I can have been through stages of my life where it's taken me a little bit longer than it should have to learn the lesson and now I look back and now I think that was all perfect because I did need that extra lesson without it I hadn't really internalized what the lesson was I sort of got it at an intellectual level but I hadn't internalized and transmitted it so I think accepting where you are is so so important and when you do that you're from running aren't you yeah and I want to you brought up something interesting that I just want to head on to the difference between guilt and shame guilt and shame are two totally different things and if you've made a mistake in your life if you've done something that you regret sometimes people get stuck in this hamster will of shame shame is all encompassing for the whole physical being and I think you can look at someone you love or care about family or friend and if they do something wrong and it hurts your feelings you know you still love that person because you know it was the action that was wrong that's when the guilt that's where the guilt comes from but the shame and so a lot of times I think we get stuck in our own habitual patterns because we get stuck in the sense of shame that because we did something wrong or because something bad happened in our life that we might have caused we are now bad no it was just one action that was misaligned and once you realize that you become so liberated and so free to then course correct and understand that you're not that you're not that obstacle you can use that to transmute it into gold and so I would encourage people too to get out of the shame understand guilt is guilt for a reason but shame is different and no one should be ashamed of being a human being because we're all enough and we all you we all have guilt but shame is something that's different and so that yeah I like that you said about the whole like things like learning yeah yeah absolutely and we always joke about learning from our animals and you saw Idris arrive here who's in here now Idris what did you do today so this is a perfect example so we've got my new cat Mitzi who's in a separate room and they're sniffing through the bars and when I bought Mitzi out into the office here and he went into the room she's been in did you spray did you spray urine all over her room to mark it as yours Idris his work is tell he doesn't feel any shame or territory and does this look like a cat that's feeling any shame or guilt no I don't know he's in my house but actually quite so I think that's a nice haste and it's we joke about animals teachers so much but he's like you know I'm king of the roost now this is my thing I'm going to go and spread it urine all over my son's room where the cat is sorry Joe I promised it wouldn't happen but it has um um so you know so it's Idris isn't feeling guilty about it I won't either yeah just it is what it is yes do not be ashamed of yourself you've done something bad recognize it as a separate action course correct and if you've done something that you're regretting your guilt for you can course correct and transmute that led to gold anyway and so it's not at that point it's not a mistake anymore but a valuable tool in your tool belt so too right too right oh thank you so much for a nice coffee turtle and my my lovely herbal tea um and we've both got exciting weeks coming out we've got a lot of um you know fullness in our lives at the moment of spending time doing things that lift us and everything haven't we yeah yeah and I'm super excited about our guests we have coming on later this week too because I think that will be a very interesting conversation a very full conversation and I want to hear what you guys do too like what lessons have you and we said last week we want to do a coffee chat tour and you guys all responded positively that'd be so much fun so let's make that happen eventually when we can but in the meantime since we have a virtual coffee table with all with everybody watching let us know your thoughts like what have you transmuted in your life how do you meditate how do you course correct have you mastered the ability to catch your emotions before they become out of hand um let us know I want to hear I want to hear from you too because that's why we have this channel is not for us to preach but for us to learn so yeah and learning from other people's approaches is so so important this is what I love most about the comments that we see below because people are so helpful and they will literally say well this worked for me or this didn't work for me and it's really it's really healing isn't it sometimes to put that down but also everyone who's sharing what has and hasn't worked for them that is a direct benefit there will be someone in that chat that needs to know that probably us but you know it is really really important so we really appreciate anyone who takes the time to do that and takes the time to watch it and until our next coffee chat thank you all so much bye