 But she's not your groove or jam I guess or we could it's it's almost too eclectic for my taste But I but I think she's cool and fearless and I like her as a person Right because we got to know each other really well at the blue lagoon that day So, you know, yeah, I like her a lot as a person A tennis star to star in our action movie then perhaps Mr. Borg in the Bjorn identity the Bjorn identity Hey, when you were there, did everyone was everyone transparent like Finnish people we could you see their hearts beat like baby fish? Do you know I? Mean a lot of blondes Yeah, a lot of six with tall people. Yeah, everybody and I'm a small person, you know, so Scott you'd probably be like Fit and good. I was like everyone here is very tall And very attractive lot of English spoken and Yeah, I would would visit again. Did they all float inches above the ground? Like I'm just I always think they're elves and they got magic and they're see-through. I have all these See, I still don't understand with the seat They're very fair. Yeah, they're very clear and transparent Literally, you can see their hearts beat like baby fish, Roger When they when you build that model the Transparent man where you can see the human organs. We have a very good friend who has a part Finnish baby. He you cannot see their heart Can't you Tom can't you when you when you touch them? What's with you Tom? If you believe you get some lasik Long enough No, this is not um No, it's not uh, I know what you're asking Scott and no, it's not That blond, but you get a lot of light Tall people in one place Sarah. You're a very good person for pretending like you do understand what Scott means, but he really Seriously believes that Scandinavian people are transparent. It's hilarious because he's Scandinavian himself And his sister has lived there. Yeah, she's lived in Scandinavia. Uh, my ancestors are from Obviously if I am they are Yeah, so I it's this long running joke. It's like how I think all Canadian Money has holes in it even though it doesn't play holes Yeah, right in the center of it. So someone will say oh, I'm going to Canada. Oh, that's where they got the holes in the money And then no, I don't Yeah, or if someone says albino, I go. Oh, I'll pink with no I'll say I'll white with pink eyes Yes, obviously It's just me and my weird knee jerk dumb stuff. I like to say so when anyone says Finland or Iceland or any of that up there You you think of transparent people and I always say oh, they all transparent and they heart speed like a baby fish It's like just automatic out of my mouth. Well, they're real They're real attractive. I'll tell you that much Some good genes going on up there and and overall just very tall That is not tall. I they keep all the genetics in house. So it's uh, Well, all right, all right friends. All right. All right. All right. I'm gonna do the show Take the wheel All right, I'm gonna count us in in five four three two one Thanks to everyone who supports independent tech news directly If you're not already become a dts member now at patreon.com slash dts This is the daily tech news for wednesday december 12th 2018 in los angeles. I'm tom mary and from studio feline I'm sarah lean and it's snowing again here in solid city. I'm scott johnson And I'm the show's producer roger chain. It is not snowing here. That just threw me off just now Yeah, I mean Conversation we had pre-show. We didn't talk about snow. I hope you're staying warm scott johnson You're not gonna get any snow you guys Now we drive to the snow uh, either you know either to the to the mountains or occasionally to the grapevine It snows up there. Uh, we are going to talk a lot about all the stuff Huawei entails architecture day architecture day. Comcast losing a vote in a small town But let's start with a few tech things you should know Well ces has officially kicked off even though most of you think well, wait, doesn't that happen in january? Well, lg among other companies has a habit of announcing things in december They're about to follow up on and show at ces in january lg announced the less than 3 pound 17 inch and the 22.53 pound 14 inch gram laptops only the 17 inch model though has a price and that price is 1699 dollars. Wow back to 17 inch notebooks. Uh, zennamax media is uh says it's agreed to a subtle litigation against facebook oculus and individual executives or executive more importantly for alleged misappropriation of vr technology zennamax launched the suit in 2014 after id software co-founder john karmack joined oculus as cto Their claim is he maybe took some vr stuff with him. Well, they're not claiming it anymore again But now they can't yeah The usfcc voted three to one to classify text messages as an information service Like the internet or cable tv not a telecommunication service like your phone The vote means that carriers can now block spam and robo call text messages without worrying They could they were blocking them before but now they don't have to worry about violating common carrier concerns The fcc says the decision pertains to bulk messaging not individuals carriers in the u.s May now block bulk messages from any organization for pretty much any reason They say they're only going to do it to block spam Name pros reports that google has transferred the duck dot com domain to the search engine duck duck go Google got the name what it acquired on two technologies back in 2010 Hey real quick about those ducks. Uh, I own new duck dot com I wonder if anyone wants to it's it's for sale or or I should do something with it Is it n e w or n u n e w duck dot com like a new you should talk to duck duck go and do like a solid Because they're the privacy protecting search engine and say hey, you know, I'd like to like to help you out Or I make a website where I draw a new duck every day. That's what i'm thinking about or that Oh You could also do that Back into the mind of scott johnson Angled it out there like you're gonna give it to duck duck go and then you pull it back with that great idea That's right. Uh, let's talk a little bit more about epics epics in the giving mood scott. You should take a You know tip from them Yeah, and epics all over the news lately with all their weird stuff that got going on Well, there's more epic announced a free online services sdk That offers cross-platform login friends presence profile and entitlements across pc mac ios android playstation Xbox and switch in other words every platform ever it will launch on pc in quarter two or quarter three With other platforms to be added throughout the year support for user generated content enhance social features Anti-cheat stuff and more are also planned to come with it It will launch with unreal engine and unity integration as well as work on top of aws With support for google cloud platform plan This is actually kind of a big deal and is completely fitting with A philosophy they had a previous to this just applied to fortnight Which is the game that has suddenly given them such a notoriety and such a power in the industry But that game was all about we want this to be playable everywhere And we want your account to be usable everywhere and cause some controversy on playstation and playstation blinked And so they got it over there and it's on the switch. It's on the phone It's the same account everywhere and this just feels like that philosophy writ large And inserted into their already pop selling industry standard engine as well as Integration into the big runner-up, which is unity. It's a big deal actually this it's huge for games You're calling it a philosophy and I get why you're saying that because it is part of epics philosophy But it is taking that platform. It's taking the platform they developed from fortnight and saying hey Wouldn't everybody else like to use this here? Yeah, you can yeah, they've they took a philosophy I mean, I'm not saying this is the process. It's also it's not just the philosophy. I guess is what I'm saying It's the entire technology It is the physical it is the physical manifestation Yeah, philosophy and it's great because I think the gaming world is headed this direction generally speaking I also think it'd be great if platform We had to be less dependent on platforms having to come up with solutions and more the game developers having more standards to work with Then you're not relying on sony's thing or nintendo's terrible online services or microsoft's good online service compared to somebody else Like it's just a way to Tighten it up put the control in the publishers developers hands. I think this is awesome Yeah, and it's great with more engines still will require the platforms to go along So sony could still block people who are using this sdk. It doesn't ensure you'll get to the platform But it says if they let you on then this will make it easy. Yep Sources tell bloomberg that as early as the spring meaning spring 2019 apple will announce the relaunch of texture as a premium service in the ios news app Offering unlimited access to around 200 magazines as a monthly subscription price apples Reportedly trying to convince the wall street journal and the new york times to join the service And that might be advantageous for both because magazine ad sales are expected to drop more than 10 percent in 2018 Okay, so for a while the the conventional wisdom in the tech world has been subscriptions subscriptions are the way Uh, who look at hulu. Look at netflix. I don't know why I said hulu first there. That was probably just charity Uh, because everyone says look at netflix. Look at amazon Uh, they get they get people to subscribe to shipping subscribe to movies Subscriptions are the thing and and subscriptions are on the rise and they're they're making a lot of money for people There's also the subscription boxes, etc. Etc. Etc Can this Work the way apple needs it to work in order to convince these publications to join it? Because if I understand it right For let's say 10 a month Uh, you get to read anything that's in the service and apple actually simplified texture recently to one tier They're used to have a separate tier for weeklies versus monthlies now There's just one tier And then the publications get paid based on what articles people are reading. So it's a little bit like spotify, right? The the the listens exactly like a music subscription service Listen to a song a small amount goes to the person who made that song and and over the aggregate of a lot of people listening to spotify Uh, you get you write a big check to the publishers apple wants to promise this will happen Except everybody listens to music on their phone. I don't know that people are reading magazines even on their tablets It it's been difficult to get people to make that transition What's happening is they're just reading the web or they're reading apps They're right not reading magazines in print, but they're also not reading. They're not making on a transition here I think it's a different situation Yeah, I think I agree with that and also I thought I was going to be one of these guys back in the in the early texture days I thought I was going to be the the target because I missed magazines. I thought I did So I thought well, ah cool This would be a way to do it kind of like to do with my comics and comicsology and other comics apps This is going to be a great service I'm going to totally do this and I did it or something like it I can't remember now And I looked at it once or twice and then never again and went why am I spending money on this every month? So I stopped doing it So I don't know I feel like the whole world might think they wanted their apple certainly thinks we want it But I don't think we want it the way they think well, and there's so much There's so much AI effort going into Let's make these assistants be able to speak our news to us in a way that makes them sound more human than ever Negating the need for us to be actually reading this. So I wonder what apple is It's sort of like what are you doubling down on it's it's a little antiquated sure And there are definitely people who are like I I know that and you'll probably write us in Afterwards saying like no, I love I love my magazine subscriptions. I love the idea of this all being in one place. This is great for me I feel like apple probably wants to Figure out how to make this a Siri thing going forward I had to guess we're not saying nobody does this that's that's not what we're saying at all But it has to be a lot of people doing it in order to make the economics workout because For publishers to give over the relationship with the customer first of all is a big deal All publications have a close relationship with their subscribers where they can market directly to them Use the data they have to hand that over to apple And to say well, we'll take we'll take a percentage of the money from people reading Versus the guaranteed money of a direct subscription on our website in the case of the new york times for instance, right? You're gonna have to have a lot of people Not just some people not even just a lot of people a huge number of people Using this app to make the economics worker out remember people were music publishers were complaining about spotify As recently as a year ago Because there just weren't quite enough of the tens of millions they would need to make the economics workout Those complaints have gone away as spotify has risen apple's thinking they can do For magazines what they've done with apple music and and after they acquired beats just you know Launching it through the stratosphere and becoming this number two music app and potentially number one in many markets I don't know that they came. Yeah At intel's architecture day the company announced it plans to introduce products in 2019 built on foverose 3d stacking Uh, some of you follow memory may realize that stacking in memory 3d memory has has caused some efficiencies that speed up Ram and and other kinds of memory. Well the technology stacks processing components inside a cpu inside a chip On die memory power regulation graphics and ai could all constitute separate chiplets Uh, and sometimes they can be stacked for that efficiency It also means because you're creating these little chiplets That some of them could be manufactured on the 10 nanometer process And so the cpu could be manufactured on the 10 nanometer process Even while others are still on the 14 or 22 nanometer process That's important for intel which has had some difficulty getting everything working on their 10 nanometer process Intel also announced sunny cove will be the next architecture The next intel codeword that you can you can remember That will be at the heart of the next gen core and xeon processors coming at the end of the year And intel promises its gen 11 integrated graphics are going to kill They'll be able to play some pretty decent games as they surpass 1 teraflop Intel still plans to introduce a discrete graphics processor as well If you've heard them say that they they doubled down on that that is right now called the xe and they promise it to come in 2020 Graphics integration and intel never been a great marriage for me in the past But um every time they talk about it I get a little excited because It's intel and maybe they'd finally figure their stuff out and quit letting The likes of nvidia and others poop on their parade, but it's never quite what they promise me It's going to be but I don't know it's so hard with chips these days Like I love this entire thing architecture day is awesome. I love the idea that hey, we got new chips coming And the process is getting better and we're doing all the things and we got the chiplets and the whatnot It's I do feel like the the jumps are so much less Drastic these days. It's less exciting than it used to be. I mean not that this isn't you know, it's all good These are all good things everybody. I don't know one teraflops on integrated graphics pretty exciting I I get what you're saying that overall. It's not the big jumps. They're passing even yeah, yeah, I mean these These are these are stats that you know 10 years ago. We don't laugh at and say oh, please Yeah, we're never gonna get there And the hardcore gamer is still going to want a discrete graphics card And a hardcore gamer is going to take a lot of convincing to use an intel discrete graphics card but The regular gamer who's like be nice, but you know what? I just want to play games on the thing I already own Uh an integrated graphics card like that is is definitely a boon to the monthly video game briefing kind of of user Ooh people should check that show out. By the way, it's frogpants.com stuff mvgb and you should do it right now Hey, look at this comcast offered to bring internet service to 96 of 1300 residents in charlton, massachusetts for 462,103 Dollars 23 rather plus interest to be paid over 15 years the plan would save the town money as the alternative Would now get this would be to spend 1.5 million to build a municipal network Which was approved in 2015. They all voted for it at a town meeting 50% There's 56 of 160 residents voted against accepting the comcast offer the municipal plan is expected to break Uh, even over the long term verizon dsl is the isp for about 88 of the residents right now Basically what it boils down to and we talked about on tms this morning The people of the town took the initiative and there A minority of the people of the town took the initiative to say no Wait, in fact, I'm going to do the bath right here Times 0.56 at 89 Of the 1300 that would be covered said uh, uh and just barely half. Yeah, so 7 percent Of the town determined the fate. Uh, it's probably a topic for another type of show Uh, right, but the fact is of the 160 people who cared to show up for this Uh, the majority of them said, you know what? It makes more sense for us to have Guaranteed 75 a month gigabit fiber That is under control and will pay for itself. That's the other part of this comcast was saying Hey, this will save you money, but it would save them money in the short term in the long term it will prevent taxes from being needed for this because Once it's built it's built and The the the the town will actually make money off of it. Uh, also no data caps Guaranteed accessibility since the towns do it. They're not going to have a concern About where to roll it out. They're going to roll it out to the whole town Yeah, I just I love the idea that they all kind of showed up and did this But then you're reminded that they didn't all show up and do it Just a very tiny percentage of them did and it bums me out that that scales down so hard You'd think in a little town everybody be stuck and how much of that too is hey listen We're on Verizon comcast seems evil. I don't know and we don't want to Switch at this point. Yeah, some of that but I mean, I don't know I I think in the long run despite the fact that it's going to cost him a little bit more Um in the short term less in the long run Uh And it's theirs to control as I said on this morning this morning's a segment with tom I think that's just better if I was in this small town. That's what I'd want I'd want that kind of control even if you know, it's not really control But you know, it's municipal you you kind of own it as a citizen by making this decision Your taxes are going to pay for things. I like that Versus comcast coming in doing what they want pulling out when they want changing things when they want I mean sure and you know in a town of what 1300 uh people that are in um the The the the boundaries it's a small town. I mean sure there are smaller But I mean that's that's a very small town by most standards So the fact that at least a vocal amount of of citizens said no no no We're gonna do our own municipal thing screw you Verizon um or screw you comcast rather um is uh I don't know. I mean more power to you Maybe it is a little bit of a screw Verizon as well because I would argue That's I would argue that This works better in a smaller town comcast came in and said look There's no risk to the town's municipal fiber from potential future competition Which is a little bit of a like hey, we could come in and still you know drive out your we we could still build here Even if you know even if you do your municipal do you want us competing with you? Uh less town borrowing So so basically saying like hey, uh, it's a fixed cost you pay us once that's it you get you get this Uh, and we'll do a $10 per month 15 megabit per second package for people with low income Now those all work when you don't trust the government when you're like, you know what? We should go with the fixed cost because and they say it's 1.5 million But you know how these governments get they do the cost just run and run and run but in a town at 1300 They may trust that it's like hey, I know the guy who's running this and we'll make sure that it works Also, they're not doing it themselves. They're contracting with westfield gas and electric Which is doing this for 20 small towns in western massachusetts. So they have a competent partner Who also received a grant to design the network? Which keeps the the cost down so to me This is the benefit of of a small town is saying Hey, we actually can hold our government accountable easy because we all know each other And so we therefore we have more trust that this will get done the way it's said and we'll get 100 fiber Not fiber coax. It'll make the town money It's it's transparent billing and marketing. There's not going to be a bunch of extra taxes and fees Let's go for it. Yep. I want to live there. I want their speed You know what there's no I was going to say you don't want there's no, but he's into the snow already He might be okay in massachusetts algorithm released a new version of its music mixing dj app for ios It's a universal app for both iphone and ipad that includes support for dj hardware over usbc Now the app is free with classic mixing features and spotify integration At four dollars and 99 cents per month the subscription unlocks advanced features Which previously were added through in-app purchases. So a little bit of a different business strategy here Existing app owners can get a subscription for 999 after the first year For the first year not after the first year Yeah, yeah, so so in other words if you're like, hey already paid for this app They'll be like great. You know what? We'll give you like a super discount to you pay for two months ahead of time And you get the whole year essentially And it's the change from the in-app purchase model Where you were you were buying the dj mixing app and getting to use it forever But if you wanted the new features as they got rolled out you had to pay for those now they're saying You get the app for free. It'll have some basic features you can use forever But if you want our new features as they roll out pay a subscription So five dollars a month means you'll always get whatever the new features are that they're adding Oh, the subscription model continues to work for audio programs not only that but it's I mean everything's moving to it I'm nervous. There's a lot of the apps I use on my iPad pro for You know art and stuff for graphics have already done that and the one that I love the most Is a flat 499 and has been since the beginning the the app called procreate easily the best art app in my opinion On the entire ecosystem. It's fantastic And every time I use it I go, this is too cheap. This is too cheap. I'm using this too cheaply There's no way this isn't going to go up. It's something's going to happen and I am just waiting for the day I'm not trying to give them ideas because you know, I like the price now But I also think they should deserve more and so what I think is going to happen is they're going to get around to Doing the same thing. I think it happens across the board music art Utilities whatever it is subscription things as a service Is how people are going to do stuff moving forward more and more and more And it means as a service. Yeah Well, especially that whole thing about um, you know in app purchases have made lots of app companies lots of money Lots of companies in general But if you know if I'm sort of like, okay, well, I don't have to like pay for like cool photoshop things maybe I could just like cruise on it on a um Uh a version that I don't have to pay for photoshop is probably a stupid example of this But you know what I mean? Then I will and and algorithm probably realizes well enough people were Figuring out that they didn't really need all that extra stuff So if you bundle in a subscription and make it seem Like you're getting a way cooler version of the app um, and this is Now your only option they end up making more money in the future Yeah All right in the continuing saga of huawei cfo mung wanzhu Uh, she was released on bail by a canadian court tuesday Mung must remain in british columbia provide a supervisor with telephone numbers Live at a home that was selected as her residence a 5.6 million dollar home Stay indoors from 11 p.m. To 6 a.m. So she can't leave that that residence overnight And she'll have to go during this. Well, but that's to keep her from sneaking away In the dark night, right? It's it's basically putting a restriction on Flight it's reducing it's reducing the flight risk. That's actually a pretty standard thing also having to surrender her passports Is is a standard thing when you're under investigation? And be under the watch of a security company. Also. She has to wear an ankle bracelet So yes, she was released on bail, but she is definitely not out of the hot water the u.s Of course, you somehow haven't heard it's seeking extradition of weighing of meng on Accusation of fraud regarding sale of technology to iran in violation of u.s. Sanctions now u.s. President donald trump told Reuters He might intervene in the case if it would help trade negotiations with china It's hard to tell if that's just kind of capitalizing on something that was happening already but That that's that's sort of the latest update. I don't I don't know how much else we have to say about this but it is progressing And and it is not progressing in a way that's necessarily favorable to wally Yeah, what what strikes me about it is it's Without being I don't want to be too sensational here, but it has kind of a dystopic flavor to it the idea that a rightly or wrongly a ceo or is in this case a cfo but a big wig at some big international company Is detained In this way it feels weird and futury and I don't know if my cyberpunk future is around the corner Not as something about it. It's a it's this is an unusual situation, right? There there are there are a lot of days where we do daily tech news show where I look at stories and go This is being clickbait marketed as unusual, but it's not Uh, and that is the norm this this is unusual. You do not see the chief financial officer of a major corporation Arrested and put on bail with an ankle bracelet, you know, like that's Especially from a country that's not involved in the dispute. This is a dispute between the united states and china The reason in my opinion, this is just my opinion This usually doesn't happen is because everybody knows where they should and shouldn't go The big companies have enough leverage over countries that they know they can Pass freely and if they feel like that leverage may be threatened. They don't go there So this was a miscalculation on the part of wenzhou She among wenzhou thought she could travel safely through vancouver airport Uh, and she miscalculated she did not expect canada to come in on the side of the us in this particular situation And they did Especially since canada of the us and actually most of the americas has an extradition treaty with the us So the request You know if they went by the book and the justice to us justice department Went by the book and did every filter thing out I mean, they would order that request unless there were some Mitigating circumstances that would disallowed and it's not what I think huawei thought was this is not a valid claim It's going it's going to be determined that it needs more evidence and by that time i'll have made my flight to back to china right Yeah, the whole thing Again, like I I don't know I don't know how this ends You know the one the one hand i'll intervene maybe uh because it'll help uh trade relations, but at the same time We've you know, certainly we're taking a much harder line against iran stuff right now So why would we do that because it would seem to go counter to that? Like I don't know if there's a good answer to any of this It feels like you're you're trying to look for an answer in a very complex geopolitical Context and one of the things I will say is stuff like this has happened before but as tom said It's not a regular thing right whether it's pinot shea when he was Planning to travel to europe and the spanish court said like as soon as he puts his foot in the e eu country He gets arrested. He said all right. I'm not going to go that way So I mean for a lot of individuals who are in the similar circumstance Like tom has suggested they have like okay not going to go through there because the risk is too great That I might fall afoul of the local jurisdiction and be arrested and then hauled before You know, uh, you know another country that had an extradition treaty with that nation Yeah, I I mean the way this plays out is uh If nothing else happens, uh mung gets extradited it looks like that's likely And is is transported to the united states and the united states then puts her on trial Uh, and and she is on trial for Being on the board of a company that violated iranian sanctions Uh While that company what had a relationship with huawei and then the the point of contention seems like it will be did that company really Just act as a subsidiary of huawei Or was it acting on its own if if if the court says and now that subsidiary was it was was separate Then you've got a different situation and that company has already wound down and it didn't do anything But if it's part of huawei Then you've got a different situation in the court because mung uh being the cfo of huawei now is responsible Uh for for this action of this other company So that's what it's going to turn on the whole thing is going to go away before it gets to that case Because whether this is part of trade negotiations or not it is definitely up for negotiation And the united states will use it to get something out of china at least that again is my opinion Yeah, I think you're probably right Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Also, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on other folks stories your peers at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com You can do the same thing on facebook facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Hey, is that the mailbag? Oh, it is tom Kind of funny that you saw that there uh mad who has been a patron uh since 2018 so thank you matt for being a patron this year says greetings from toasty and traffic slammed india I'm here on business in a western state and found This ad on the front page of the local paper and was fascinated now for anybody who's listening to the audio version It was an ad Uh convincing folks who use whatsapp not to fall for fake news Uh matt says I asked our local development team why they think it's such a big issue They believe more than 50 of whatsapp news is fake and started by people enjoying making jokes of events and other people But now readers want to believe the platform is also so powerful and so ingrained in local culture That it's in addition to their tech ecosystem and it's almost too much to change for the culture to keep up with before 2014 there was no outlet sharing this type of content either satirical or informational And they don't see the demand for this content changing anytime soon Thank you matt. I love getting these feet boots on the ground Situations and if you are able to watch the youtube video, uh, rogers got got the ad up For you to take a look at and uh, we'll we'll try to figure out how to include a link to it in the show notes As well Also, steven schleicher asks, uh, hey major spoilers steven schleicher If i'm driving a driverless car, do I need a driver's license? I'm not technically driving just sitting in the driver's seat aging drivers want to know not me Of course, i'll be young forever. Uh, if you're driving. Yeah, you need a driver's license Yeah, and the company that makes the driverless car also needs to be registered with the local authority to operate these cars on the road If you're not driving if you're just riding Uh, and there's no safety driver then you wouldn't need it if we ever get to that point. 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Good show Good show Way to show up I meant to throw in there a comment about how the the ceo being or cfo being detained Could it happen in the future where? Uh tim cook is visiting uh foxconn factories And the chinese government decided, you know, we don't like what he did three years ago with that one deal and it violates Whatever we're thinking they already kind of do that Not with not with tim cook. They don't not with tim cook, but yeah, what I think what scott's saying is it would it would be Getting the cfo of huawei is at the level of getting the cfo of apple. So not in cook, but you know feel shiller Yeah, yeah, that's true. I forgot about that Oh, well, I don't know just feels dystopic to me I mean, I didn't want to go, you know too much into like the ha ha aspect of it because it is a big deal but i'm like Five million dollar home in vancouver You don't have to leave the house between the times of night that I would be sleeping Wait, wait a minute. It's not that you don't have Sounds great No, no, no, I like the way you think about it like wow, I have a good excuse to stay home. That's awesome Yeah, give me an ankle bracelet I'll just I'll get comfy Yeah, I mean Okay, so there is an aspect and I know a lot of people especially if you've been in prison or had family in prison Will disabuse anyone else of this notion, but there's some people like oh prison sounds great, right? All my meals Prison is not great, but Here's where you get like all the perks with none of the downsides. All right, right. Yeah Home prison Well, I shouldn't say none of the downsides. You don't have freedom of movement They're they're for sure downsides, of course. Um, and and yeah, not to diminish the fact that this is a big deal to anybody with the stature of miss bank, but I'd like to hang out in her palatial estate Yeah, put an ankle bracelet on me. It's fine. Let's order some postmates. Yeah, I'm sure there's a whole lot of There's a lot of creature comforts in a five point Do you think there are any Swarovski crystals on that ankle bracelet? Yes. Yes Uh, well, that's a good question. I think there probably aren't um, but uh, what ofs But I want there to be it's a a dg ankle bracelet Like sure Oh Sorry miss ming I I don't know it so so Here's the the difference just to go back to what scott was saying earlier like I it made me think Okay, what would it take for this to happen in reverse, right? That's always a good exercise in understanding anything I would take China continually accusing apple of breaking the law Which because the united states has had a steady drum beat about huawei for a while, right? That's not a surprise that huawei is under the gun from the united states, right? China has not been Beating the drum as hard regarding apple, but they have accused apple of some consumer issues some consumer um consumer rights violations So if that suddenly stepped up And they were saying it was worse consumer protection violations Or it was factory worker fraud factory worker violations that they were Directly responsible if you started to hear that kind of rhetoric coming and then I guess, uh, maybe Phil shiller visits Vietnam Uh, where where he's touring a factory that's going to start creating iPhones and as he's changing planes Uh in vietnam gets arrested by the vietnamese authorities and put on trial for extradition to china That would be sort of the parallel situation here. Yeah, or or what you do is you see china Turn their eye of sauron at their former arch enemy south korea Uh where they've had conflicts for centuries. Oh, you can do it to samsung and they go, oh samsung With this and then it becomes just one of our allies. It's a little less Samsung just just announced they are shutting down one of their two factories in china They're attributing it to slowing sales of handsets in china, which is absolutely happening to samsung there, but But yeah, I mean so again, I mean this is I understand where scott's coming from but from the chinese mentality The idea is always you beat the less you you you You really beat the crap out of the The smaller player in order to send a message to everyone they're higher up Instead of going after the higher ups directly, right? So you kind of threaten them that way so It's really just kind of a cultural mindset For example, you know one of canada's x diplomats who's actually working in China currently as an for an NGO organization was arrested or I shouldn't say arrested detained What what are we uh, this is really good stuff and I hesitate to interrupt you, but I don't know, uh, so Google says to duck duck go away Or get out the vote for municipal cable Where's the other one, uh I'll go rid them as a service. I'll go rid them Well, that was the All right One subscription at a time Taking life subscription at a time. Yep. All right and not so comcastic But that might be too specific. How about just one subscription at a time? I like one subscription It reminds me of a sitcom I used to watch One subscription at a time Where is in one day at a time mckenzie phillips? Oh, yeah I'll rid her That was that was threes company. Sorry. Oh, okay. It's like wait a minute. John ridder. John ridder. No, John ridder was in, uh, threes company Who was um schneider? You guys think of schneider? I'm gonna play schneider. I don't know his name But it was uh, it was eddie van halen's wife, uh Valerie brinelli Yeah, they uh At herrington Okay, right. I never watched that show. I actually don't have any opinion. Oh here someone deleted. That's why I barely do It's not even mine. I don't think it's really even tominized generation. Not really. What is one day at a time We were kind of I watched it I watched it on tv although I think I Definitely watched it when it was on tv But I think majority of my viewing was in reruns later. I I will say this it was a kid show or rather kid Family-oriented show if one or all the cast members made it to the cover of hot dog magazine Yeah, but hot dog or dynamite schneider was like all dirty and pervy and stuff There's no way. Yeah, but when you're a kid He just looks like the goofball superintendent of your you know apartment complex Yeah, but he was all but he made himself seem like the guy He'd want to avoid it all costs in the dark and never see him at night Yeah, but stranger danger came around in the late 80s Mid-20s That show is early 80s. It's not a concern back then that show was the late 70s. Yeah, that was not 80s Yeah, but I watched it's the 80s when I'm watching as a kid because I was watching 80s Yeah That's true. And isn't there there's a netflix reboot or something going on Yeah, there's what's not a reboot. It's a it's sort of a reimagining So it's a hispanic family to all different characters But the same premise same general idea. Is there a is there a rapey guy named schneider or no? You really don't like schneider I never thought of schneider is as bad as you do. Wow I just thought he was just kind of a cantanker. Yes. I never I never watched the show What did what did he do? He came up to the door Valerie Bertinelli'd open the door and he go hey, baby fountain something Dubba dubba dad. I'm like, dude, you're just like the handyman around here. What are you doing? He was always making moves. Oh Yeah, he was I don't feel like he was dirty though. I I I take You know the venn diagram is in 1977 that venn diagram was a little different, I think My take on schneider as a kid was always that He looked like a guy I shouldn't like but then once you got to know him you realized he was a good guy And all that was just talk. It's just a good guy It helps Weird-looking strangers Yeah, it's locker. Yeah, it's funny. You mentioned. I think it was you roger or maybe it was um, you's got uh stranger danger I remember like My parents, you know going through the whole thing with me like if anyone ever Offers you candy and says like your mom is hurt. You have to come with me Like there were all these things that happened, but stranger danger was not a thing That was like something that was coined after I was like probably When I hear the word stranger danger, I immediately think of roger because he's the person I hear say And we're so okay. It was roger Which is like, I mean, that's it. That's a good thing to you know, teach kids And we all kind of got taught that but like that just was not a term You did not hear anything. I didn't know the phrase until much later It was it was a thing that they came up with and they made a bunch of like after school programs When I was in high school I remember those but also I was at the height of the latchkey kid era so like I was the kid that Went to school Walked to school and walked back to school by myself You know had let myself in and you know didn't burn down the stove as I popped open a can of the Campbell soup to eat I had a key to the house. It was exciting It was exciting initially then I lost the key a couple of times. We had dinty more not campbells, but yeah Didn't team more and we did too. We had dinty more and western family. That was the other one Western family. We never had that one. Well, we had to be in the west. I guess. Yeah, I guess so You you called your mayonnaise best foods too. Yeah, it is the best foods I can't no, I can't even with you helman's people. I can't Wait, what best foods it's helman's period Well, hold on. How do you feel about the helmans and bring out the best? How do you feel like just Justin's um Renegade trump through the world a anti anti mayo. He's the anti mayo. What do you think of that? I think I think he's messing out on a lot of fun in life is what I think Yeah, I do too. However when we're talking about mayonnaise It's best foods I'm gonna helmans helmans is for like weird people east of the mississippi like who even knows Normal people who want to refer to something by its actual name And not have a repetitive slow Yeah, bring out the best foods And have a redundant tag. I didn't even really eat mayonnaise until high school I didn't even have it in the house mayonnaise is wonderful. It gets a bad rap I mean I agree with people that if you ate it with a spoon, it's disgusting. It's not the point. The point is Exactly, but that's how they portray it. That's how they're spinning their little anti mayo message Well, people who love mustard aren't eating mustard out of spoonfuls They're putting it on things that you know help it enhance the overall dish Great, and I also like mustard. I like it all I can't stand must hold on. Hold on. This is an important point. Mr. Robas says It's helmans in iowa, which is west of the mississippi. Remember, it's best foods west of the rockies Most of the country calls it helmans. Yeah, it's only west of the rockies Well, we know what the best part calls it best food. Sometimes the most people are wrong. So Exactly That's called the electoral college I don't I don't actually I don't have a problem with helmans because I don't know if I've ever actually had So it's the exact same thing. Do you like mayonnaise? Whatever If you best foods and helmans are exactly the same product. Yeah. Yeah I just feel like it's like Like who would ever sing like bring out the helmans and bring out the best everyone who knows the actual Slogan would sing that because that's the way it goes. All I know is the oscar mayer's one Oh I wish there were some oscar mayer mayonnaise That would be the weirdest thing I could be I I do remember uh, all kidding aside reading the mayonnaise. I was I was a label reader. Okay come at me Hey, I still am I remember reading the mayonnaise label and seeing the little text that said known as best foods west of the rockies and thinking Whoa, that would be so weird Some day I'm I want to go west of the rockies and and see their alternate universe mayonnaise where it's called best foods Well, and I was like hell man That seems like like a very weird thing to That's wonderful Hell man, but it's delicious. Hell man right Still sounds good. Hello, man uh Roger as a mustard hater There are so many different kinds of mustard like sure that I don't like any of them yellow mustard Okay, but then you've got you know some like spicy brown and then you have your you know, grape poupon John That sounds like expensive. I'm not going to eat it. No. No. I mean, they're not all expensive. I don't know. I love mustard I I don't understand. I just can't I like this. They're starting mustard. I I don't like that much So maybe those are yours My mustard is uncontroversial in my opinion. So it is it is odd that you don't like it Yeah, I don't know why even an issue. Yeah mustard should be Oh Really wrong wrong. Well, but I know I I want to know more about what Kind of mustard roger doesn't like because I'm Folks you'll just have to wonder and and take roger's answer that he like doesn't like any mustard Audio folks stick around. Maybe we'll find a mustard that roger likes