 Hello, everybody. Thank you so much for joining us for the folder sign off day two. Here we are rounding up. My name is Adrian Wong. I'm artistic director of spider web show performance. We are the producers of folder the festival of live digital art. I am a 40 ish woman wearing a black t shirt. I have mixed Chinese and French Canadian descent. I've got dark black hair, and it's kind of short right now. And I want to introduce the my co curators on my left. I think over here, Mike, you want to introduce yourself. Hi, I'm Michael Wheeler. I'm also a co curator of the festival and tall guy. I don't have that much hair. I'm in my mid 40s. Let's call it and I'm wearing a gray sweatshirt and a blue t shirt and baseball cap today. Hey, everyone. I'm Sarah Garten Stanley and I'm the executive producer for spider web show performance and co curator for folder. I'm in my 50s, and I have a gray cap on to con, which I often do. This is given to me by a wonderful person in Winnipeg. And I am wearing about six layers because I've got very cold earlier. And I am always born in Montreal. And I'm white and I have American and British and French lineage. Yeah, that's me. Thank you, Sarah. And I guess we should also mention where we all are right now. I'm here in Banff, Alberta. The sun is just setting so we're getting what's called the Alpin glow when the sun is down on the mountains on the west but this light is still hitting the tops of the mountains on the east. And where are you two. I'm in Iraq way in Kingston. I'm in the same place but in a different room. So how to talk about how it is that we're together. The great segue. First of all, we're having fun. It's been a really long day with a lot of incredible things in it. And we have been placed in a CDN studio box with some really nice force perspective behind us. But the three of us are in different locations and this is so that we can share with you something that we've developed at spider web show. It's been a really long summer of years, something that I created with Joe Adrian, Joe Adrian as a technologist and designer, and he had the, the know how and the capacity to be able to take this idea that we both were thinking about and put it into action. And so it's a tool that we hope can do a bunch of things but we are also realizing it's not a bad way for three people to feel like they're together in the same space, although Adrian is looking behind my head right now. Okay, so I have some, oh yeah. Yeah, but it is I mean there's some really great things that you can do with it and, and you can give a sense that you are sharing a collective space for a conversation or for whatever so welcome to CDN studio, and to the end of our evening or second evening at the full festival. And my goodness what a day it's been today has been a deep dive into the green rooms which is joint initiative between the NAC, the National Theatre School Canada Council, looking at, and it's the third of three study cycles that you've been working on Sarah at NAC, looking at the carbon footprint of Canadian performance and, and just climate change and how that affects us as makers, how makers affect climate change and, and I think through today, like the thing I come away with even more than yesterday is the intertwinedness of all of those things, all of those things. We started the morning talking about grief, which was quite, I don't know, it was really grounding to just like be able to sit in feeling sad about the state of the world and for that to be okay. Yeah. Go ahead. No, I was just going to say it has been a really, a really big day and putting together events like this and working over these couple of years in particular with Chantal Billidot the co curator for the green rooms. And imagining it in, in one way which was pre COVID, and then imagining it in another way which was pre this recent upsurge of protest and movement around Black Lives Matter and trying to understand how to come to these questions. One of the greatest gifts of the cycles is that they've, they've given me the opportunity to really dig into some of these massive questions that impact how we make work, and to think about what the influences are that allow some people to make it other people to, and to ask the relevant questions about it and this, this last cycle, which is the final cycle. We felt was asking the biggest question and the curious thing is that when you get to the what you think is the biggest question you realize that it's connected to all the other questions. And so, yeah, I, to echo what you said, Adrian, the, the intertwinedness, the nesting together of the intersections are really, they're so beautifully tangled together and so treacherously tangled or ensnared in one another. So it's been a really big day of I think learning and sharing and just incredible speakers and the dance party that we just came off of with Cyrus Marcus where and he's such an incredible art maker and the expression of his, his moment and where he is in his own life and his work and his activism, and that he was able to share that in such a beautiful and phenomenal kind of dance moment. Yeah, it was a great way to spend the last hour of this day. Absolutely. Yeah, I think we're going the same place, which is, I have a couple of tweets that I selected that are from today's conversations I thought might be somewhere we could pick up off of. So the first one is a quoting from Donna Michelle St. Bernard. She said, the future is finding out what we never needed, what we gave up, but don't need to get back. I thought I really needed lattes. And I selected that because I thought it was a great point like, you know, so much of our lives have been upended by the, by all of the social changes that COVID and the analysis of our own lives in the context of the Black Lives Matter and it's making us kind of up and our assumptions about just like what everyday life is like. And, and I thought that lattes were actually just like a really good simple small example of like, oh yeah, I thought I needed a latte, then they shut down all the cafes. I didn't have lattes. I'm still okay. And just the extrapolation of that was really interesting. That makes me think of strawberries too, because when I, when I was crying up, we would get strawberries once a year. And they usually weren't sweet and my mom had this thing where you would dip the strawberry and sour cream and then in brown sugar and that's how we ate strawberries, because they were not really that great. And then at some point when I was in university, like strawberries were always available. And to me, that's really the symbolism of like, like the con, like, like we just need to have everything when we want it now. And, and yeah, I did have, I did have a latte today, but I really, really enjoyed it. Which is, do you know what I mean, like it wasn't, it wasn't something that I do every day anymore is something I do once a month now. So I don't need it, but it's like, I recognize the late like all of the things that went into making this thing. And then I also thought what I'm paying what this for what like, what, no, I don't. So it's, it makes thank you, it makes me think about, you know, this digital festival, and how it was conceived as a place that existed between that which was in the real world and that which was eventually online we weren't only thinking about online and how we needed it to go online, because circumstances made it impossible for us to gather. And I think many of us feel what we need and miss about gathering at the same time recognizing the things that we may not need that we thought we needed with respect to gathering. And so I think there's been some real opening. Yeah, some real mind expansion for me about that question, you know, in particular, traveling, you know, it's a really big one. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good kind of converse point and also the pandemic in particular has made us realize what else we do need that we don't we don't have right now as well. Some good reestablishing of priorities and I felt like Alana was trying to drive it that a bit today and notes from the future in terms of like, is this a moment? Is there something in this moment? And I'm not sure that the, you know, that the collaborators necessarily saw the same hope that Alana saw, but but certainly we're all learning about ourselves in new ways and that maybe that's fuel for change and if we harness it positive change. I'm going to pull up the other tweet that I selected. So the other one is a quote from from Ravi Jane, who was in a really powerful conversation with you earlier today, Sarah. And at one point, you know, he brought up defund the police and you know, we had defund the police is a conversation we might talk about at one point in these four days. But rubby really kind of up the stakes in that idea by by proposing what if we defunded major white art institutions, but instead of pulling down statues we pulled down harmful organizations. And I enjoyed the way that that challenged me. You know, I'm a pretty easy target for supporting defund the police. I made a piece of theater about the G 20 protests and police brutality and I can I can get behind that idea super easily. But but rubby's proposition that that if we're going to apply this to society and not just make this a cop problem made me really rethink about why, why are we not also talking about defunding other institutions. I understand that the police are at the front of black people's demands in in in the black lives matter movement and hopefully all of our demands in society. Like that that is obvious to me why police will be on top, but I can see how that critique could be applied to our other institutions and that was an idea that hadn't really registered with me. I liked about what he I mean, what I found exciting about what he suggested, because it was, you know, such a great proposal like how, because my mind went immediately to giving power back to certain decision makers, and he took it away again and said you know, it can actually happen with the people who have the resources as opposed to it having to be, you know, I immediately went to the Canada Council or to heritage or to, you know, governmentalizing it, and he brought it back to say well what if, you know, we actually had a conversation like what if I think the example was, you know, Canadian stage gave their money to native earth, for example. And I think it's a really obviously it's a, it's much closer to home in some respects to us in this conversation, but I also think it's a really great offer for a conversation. Yeah. So just like I'm just riffing here but like you know the the elements of the argument to defund the police are that the police cannot do everything that the police have been given too much to do in our society they're in charge of everything and that many of the calls could be served by people who are better at deescalating and social workers. And so just like to shift that logic to arts production, like maybe major institutions can't be asked to serve fully society with like a monolithic institution. And it's actually just about good public policy to have more specific service to the community like I don't know I see a really strong through intellectual argument as it as it as it ships over. It makes me think though about the other thing Ronnie was talking about about all the conversations he's having right now or since COVID with other arts leaders who are, you know, coming from racialized backgrounds and that they're not talking about art and they're not talking about their seasons they're talking about activism and they're talking about systems change so. And when you talk about like defunding large institutions and shifting that money, it makes me think of like finally paying some people for doing that labor for for thinking about systems change for trying to work towards progressive change or just like anti racism anti oppression work that is off the side of the desk so there are times and, you know, how many artists have we talked to you were like, oh, that political stuff that's not my, that's not my thing I just make art and, and how, how that how nice that would be, you know, to not have to think about all so many things so many things that don Michelle was talking about. And that's what it makes me think of is like, where is the work going it's in the way that. I talked when cold it shut everything down we said the economy is a broken it's like, it's not stopped nothing is stopped like, if anything I'm working harder at my household than I ever was. It's just that the labor that I perform is not counted towards the economy. So, it's, it brings me back to Tom Green's presentation when he was talking about can't what we start to count what matters, you know, rather, like, really what matters is the latte is nice but it's not the latte, it's not the strawberries. I can do without them. Well, I think we're done. Yeah. Yeah. Well, should we wrap this up then, and I'll sign us. I want to vote before. Yeah, but can we say something like about tomorrow, because there's lots of great things tomorrow. Yeah. So, yeah, okay. So, I think tomorrow I we're starting at 230 on the live stream 230 to three. It's the closing act for the green rooms. And really looking forward to it will be some kind of a co creation that's going to speak to these last couple of days in the green rooms and and then we head out into really exciting evening of production performance with Haven. And over to you Adrian to keep to keep going on the programming for tomorrow. And all of these times, by the way, are in Eastern daylight time so havens at 730 Eastern daylight time. We have may I take your arm at 9pm Eastern daylight time, and then at 1030 real treat. It's this world made itself, which is new a matriarch anybody who's tuned in on funny tuned in on last night, and saw myth and infrastructure this is new a second show. And then on Saturday night will show her most recent show infinitely yours but tomorrow night at 1030 Eastern daylight time, you'll check out her magical work. So, yeah, and before that Alex Balmer. Yeah, Alex Balmer and may I take your arm. Yeah. Thank you. Anything else I'm forgetting it's possible it's very possible it's late been one day. I'm looking at my lamp and my water bottle. I know it's really being in the middle is really, I'm a middle child and all good. Thank you all who have stayed with us this long for joining us. And we'll see you tomorrow. This is Sarah Adrian and Michael signing off. Good night.