 Welcome to Toffy TV. This is a manager update. Now, let me just point this out very, very quickly. We've already recorded this video once before the news broke about Victor Pereira. So we're just going to basically talk about Pereira for a minute and then we're going to go into that other video. So at any point we start talking about him like he's a possibility for the job. It's because we did it before the news broke but it's a very good video. So just ignore those bits because basically we just talk about why we don't want them. But the news broke of five o'clock just before we were going live. That's where Victor Pereira dropped out. It's for the best, isn't it? It is. Listen, it just felt like going from one to the other, from one party, he's managed it to another. He's never managed it anyway for any length of time. Well, Porto's two years now. It's two years but everything in between is five months, four months, nine months. So it just didn't feel right, it felt as though we hadn't learnt anything. You know, I don't know how serious they were in getting them but I'm glad that he's withdrawn, to be honest. Yeah, and also a lot of it only came to like Sky Sources, Sky Sports, felt like the agent might be trying to get them a better contract at his club in China. He said how very happy he is in China, I'm sure he will be. 25 or 30. Basically the highest paid manager on the earth. So who knows, my only worry was where everything actually says it's about it and if they were serious about it, where does this leave them in their search for a new manager? Well, that is the question, isn't it? But we don't know that at this point, we don't know whether, I imagine all that news came from him and his agent so they've either played the game really, really well or he was or haven't where thinking they could get him and I just don't know where that leaves us. I don't even know why we were going for him in the first place. Nothing about him excited me as a manager, where he'd been, what he'd done, had not excited me one bit. So it's probably for the best but again, I don't know where that leaves us. It's hard because Evan and they're not going to comment on it but we haven't had any official thing to say, well yeah, we did want him and we've made our mind up. It might have just been, you're available, Bladdy will have the general chance that you're up so. I don't know. Well, maybe he wasn't going to get it and be sad that he did a terrible thing and say, oh I'm withdrawing my interest. Or maybe he just played the game. I've got a big fact on track. Good luck to him, good luck to him. Yeah, this is where you're going to go back to the other video. So there you go. Well let me just, let me go down the list right. So at the moment Chris Wilders is 25 to 1. Okay, doing a good job at Sheffield United and actually I think the kind of football he plays would, Evertonians would respond to that, I think personally. But no, no, I'm just saying he's 25 to 1. I'm not saying I'm excited but I'm just saying he's doing a great job and you know what, I don't think he'd leave Sheffield United. He's doing a great job but fair play to him. Happy days. Your favourite, Eddie Howe, 22 to 1. Right, but I was on the table and his football wouldn't be appreciated and we'd eat him alive. Carlo Anciolotti, 22 to 1. Okay. Right, this one's the little, and this one's the weird little one, this. Galadaw, 20 to 1. Now I think this one's weird. 20 to 1. No, I know that's what's mad. Friday, he's got a cup final and he could be a free agent afterwards if he doesn't sign a deal. His stock could be massively high. Massively high. Now, he'd won the Champions League so his stock would be just through the roof at the moment with European clubs now sniffing around Everton and Arsenal, West Ham even could be looking and then there's obviously teams in Europe. So, and he's a man who played in Europe as well played in France, so, you know, it's not just, he's not coming, he hasn't managed the variable. So, he's an interest on one and he's the kind of one where an agent could manoeuvre him into the, get him into the right job. I think if he plays his cards, right, he could get himself a good job in Europe. So I think that's an interest on one, that. 16 to 1, Nicola Colvatch. I think that one's only in there because he was at the game but apparently he was on a fact find on the mission and he was going to the Man City game as well and he was going to a game on Sunday as well. West Brom. 14 to 1 Rafa Benitez. So Rafa Benitez was on Monday night football. He's 20 to 1 before he's on now. And this is what was interesting. So I did the daily news just after 7 when he said he wasn't looking at the Premier League any time soon, right. He'd give a very official almost statement. No, I've got a contract. I'm not going anywhere. And then later on, once he'd relaxed on a character he probably had a little word to them, he basically said you know what, I wouldn't be against managing Everton. There's no reason why I wouldn't manage Everton. It's actually all the things we've said. I live in the city. I've got friends who are Evertonians. He said I didn't mean small club, I meant small team. He said the charity works with everybody. Enough time has passed. Liverpool is Liverpool but I wouldn't have any problem being Everton manager basically. He just said but I'm not looking for an immediate return to the Premier League. And basically he was leaving the door open that if Everton wants let's go and talk to them. I think he'd come back tomorrow if he was allowed to. But obviously it's all about respect. In China respect is a big thing and he's getting a lot of money and he's not going to go on the telly and annoy people when Everton might be interested in them. So I thought that was quite interesting anyway, I thought that was interesting and I thought he said a lot of the things that we'd already discussed about him saying that he would be a lot softer to Everton and he would say things and I thought that was a really interesting thing by saying that by softening and going I didn't mean to say it he just got taken and he'd run away with it. He said Liverpool fans are happy Everton when he's new but he's a clever man. Oomai Emery is 12-1 he came out big yesterday saying that someone said Everton has approached him Bill Gill and Balagay said he wants it didn't he? Again he's going to do on that. I wanted him to get it before Coom and Gorey people laughing at me got no chance his stock was massive Seville had just won three champions at Europa Leagues and PSG took him but he failed to win in PSG which I think we'd win and he went to Arsenal and he didn't do it and I've seen loads of tweets Sophie who's a friend of ours from America and she was torn how bad he was and we've been to him how bad he was she's been saying she's quite a relaxed ass not fine but she said it's terrible and the players are terrible and they both are the wrong players so he's 12-1 and I just think that for me I think he's the type of manager that will do brilliantly back in Spain I think he suffers from the same no his language problems are even worse because he just can't get the message through I don't think so it's an interest I want to think he's still a good coach in there still a good manager just not sure the Premier League is the right place for him to be I'm trying to climb and challenge Arsenal they're deemed he's not good enough for them top three now Duncan Faggs and he's 6-1 now this is the bet and his care take out and interim managers completing at least 10 competitive games will be deemed the permanent manager so they've got him as 6-1 obviously looking and thinking well he could get it to the end of the season so he's 6-1 Vita Pereira is 9-4 9-2-4 but he's not the favourite David Moyes is 8-11 back to being favourite and this is something we spoke about yesterday I think I'm a fan of word or just in and around the studio I think David Moyes' stock will have gone up because of what Duncan Faggs and did by the fact that they'll look at it and go that's what Evertonians want and if you give him the job and you put Duncan next to him and he may be we may be set it out that Duncan will become the manager in 18 months time or whatever then that's what would get the fans on board it's a really tough one one thing you'd have a mention there but he keeps coming back his Ralph Languig for the job I don't know if you didn't get it but I do because this is great when you're in the room but I just thought he'd be an interesting choice he's been director of football at Leipzig and done very well but I think him with Duncan Faggs and I think makes a lot of sense I think what Everton might need to do when clubs don't really do this we spoke about this I think it was off camera we were talking about seeing when Liverpool had the boot doom and all the clubs have done it particularly foreign clubs do we in Holland Iax do we and it's sort of like a bit of pre-planet something Neville Southall said when he was in here identifying who your next man is and then coaching him through it so if it's Duncan and we're blishing people will have reservations rightly so Duncan's had one game but if we've looked at him and gone actually he is quite intelligent he's lacking in experience so let's give him more responsibility but let's have a plan and if it is David Moyes or if it is Ralph Rangier let's be perfectly honest with them and say we see Duncan as the long term successor to one of you two and this is what we want you to do bring him on or have him as assistant and see how it goes and if it goes well there's no reason to change it but if we do feel like we want a transition then we'll have our next manager there because theoretically Marcel should be running everything else so it's almost like brand has got the opportunity to shape Duncan as well so that we have a thread rather than just going because it seems to me with people like Henry but just going oh he's alright so we're a bar and that isn't a plan there's a lot of very different kind of managers on that list do we speak about that off camera? I think it was off camera we might have done it on the live when we did our page on live it was something actually my uncle actually said he said oh it felt a bit like when Paisley got the job with Vegas and Satie and I was a bit like okay you said that not me and that got us thinking I'm saying what the boot doing about how I suppose everything did it with Kendall and passing on to Harvey in a way but it's a brain trust it's too many clubs now they don't like Liverpool's booting was the whole point of being like the people who Shankly had surrounded the club they were all you just passed the baton to one of them and everything the consistency just followed and Paisley took it on from Shankly and then Fagan he was a figurehead and then yeah yeah cos the team were brilliant and everything stayed the same and then it was passed on to Daglish and football started to change and as soon as it came in I'm destroying the boot room nothing essentially and then Roy Evans got it again but everything is being lost but the point being is that ideal is you've got all these people around the club and yeah you're not creating an atmosphere or like you said about Ajax where they go into the system and they lean in to go back back up again cos they know they're going to lose managers people are going to move on age all the rest of it and again you look at Fagan he said little things of like he came to Everton and he was with Sheedy he always used to speak to Howard Kendall that's why Lily Kendall gave him the watch cos he was very close with Howard afterwards loved him there's little things of him in Howard's way talking about him and it's you're right could you surround Duncan with experienced coaches or good coaches whether they be people like Lee Carsley who's currently with England get people around them like that get other people around them maybe and I don't want to be like getting the band back together but if you've got someone like Kale who's part of the fold as well and then I don't know what Moise would do it and I'm not trying to create this whole scenario of Duncan the job but when I look at those other names I'm very fearful that we're just going to make the same mistakes that we've made in the past and actually none of them represent the thing that we want and people can look at Saturday in isolation and go yeah but it didn't just fell together it did fall together but isn't that the point what big clubs do don't big clubs you were trying to win things don't they do that every single week don't they have that every forget about the atmosphere that's separate but don't big clubs don't you have to do that every single week don't you have to turn up don't those things have to go to you every single week to be a club winning things it can't just be we've had moments in games where wasn't that a great game isn't the whole point supposed to be that every single game you turn up and your team put that performance in every single week I know there's a club not so far away from where we're sitting now every single week and that's why they're feared and that's why they are where they are in the table and you've got to have a manager who can instill that and that's the hardest thing in football and I appreciate that but aren't we all trying to get to that place don't we want that every single week because if we know if we see that on the pitch every week that kind of work which can be built on we as fans will respond because that's what we love and that's why I've always driven at the fact that recently is I want a manager that I can love because he's the figurehead and should be the figurehead and if we get another manager in again another beige European manager who just again doesn't say nothing and doesn't understand the club and doesn't respect the club and doesn't get under the skin of the club we're just going back round in circles and it will never lead to success we need to big future project coming up and permission goes in this week or next week now for the stadium we have to be in a position of strength we have to be in a position where we're stable if you want to try one you've got it out since Moise went we tried Martinis from Wigan we tried Cumin from Southampton we tried Silver from Watford from the likes of Palace and things like that none of it's really way well it hasn't way as it because we've had five managers are just nine now since Moise and I'm not saying that's right I should have a manager that long but what I'm saying is don't we need to create something that feels like we're actually in control of so we kind of go let's do this with him let's have figures in mind and then like you said then then maybe it's Kale because he's only just starting his badges now so maybe then Kale comes a lot I don't know we might be coming across as very sentimental but what we're saying is that and saying this is what I felt for a very long time isn't that we as a club are quite I can only say we're unique because I'm an Everton and I don't experience what other clubs experience but I think we know what we like and other people understand what we like and a lot of clubs are like that but they have different things what they like what we like is what we saw on Saturday to a degree hard work comes first and then you add all the other things on and I think all the managers in the last few years have come into Everton Football Club and have tried to change what we like and as fans we have not responded to it and so therefore it goes the other way and we did a show I think we did yesterday with some of the managers the managers in his first year had that absolutely spot on the base the base of Moise with the sprinkling of what he added and it just worked not every game is brilliant but it all seemed to fit together and that's sort of what we're looking for but every manager that's come in since has just sort of tried to do something that they want to do without ever thinking about in the end but never building that identity that we could latch on to and that's all it comes down to your football club it's not about winning trophies if it was about winning trophies no-one would be at half the grounds in the Premier League it's about having an identity it's about saying these are the things that represent me as a football club you spend most of your time, a lot of the time talking or going the game or thinking or whatever about your football club we don't like your football club and you don't like what that football club stands for why would you do that it doesn't make any sense I just think that if someone was out there who was absolutely standing out then you might think if pot of tea you know for argument's sake went there actually won the evidence job then we wouldn't be sat here going no but we wouldn't be sat here going we'll maybe give it a dunk in our mind if Joe Seymurrhenio, who I said the other week had a truck all day long because he's a winner and some people don't like him but if he'd have said I won the evidence job you wouldn't find me going I agree with that but when I look at the others it just feels like we're going to do the same just carbon copies perversely though this is why I have backed Benitez because I think what he does understand is evidence fans because oddly he's been on the other side of it you know what I mean I've looked at all of the people it's not always that I look at the situation and I go lose out there and I go well I thought he was the best manager and I still think he is the best manager but I think he understands us because number one he understands the city and you're right because because we do share a lot of similar things with Liverpool within the city as fans beliefs he understands that as well but it's probably he's been on the other side of it therefore he's took all that grief about all that stuff so he understands what buttons not to press and what things we like and what we don't like and that's the weird thing it's like the thing that you hate about him is the thing that he understands about us is you know and that he knows you know so that's why I've said I wanted him and people that is weird you just said there about Moise being top of everything so your definite belief that Saturday is put as propelled him back to the top I don't know if it actually has propelled him as in people will be going no just for me I look at that I can go well if you want more of that the only man on the list to give you that is David Moise and people go no you're going back and that's fine I can't I'm not sitting here going I'm not choosing the manager and I'm sitting I'm not choosing what it's why I've always said with the British thing that's been six months ago I would have told you to leg it when it would come to British it's about time this club is going nowhere we keep on doing stupid things let's just do the thing that might annoy a few people but it's sensible think about Moises and I know I know what his track record is like since he left I mean actually his track record at Man United wasn't that bad it was just that he'd come off winning the league the season before and the expectations were still through the roof so therefore by what has been done since he's actually alright but I just think that he understands us as fans totally gets us as fans and would put things in place that we would enjoy and I think for me if that was the case and it was Moise it would have to be for me with Duncan as the assistant it would have to be because it would have to be a through line and with some young exciting coaches like Alicarsley people like that who are fresh out of the game but are very very well respected but we'll have to wait and see the part of me is that I look at someone if he's a player and I just think he'll come in and he'll be like I'm going to be here for two years and bring a load up for him and it'll just be like here we go again nothing's changed we do the same thing we'll give him a few weeks then he'll be moaning about something or other and isn't it about time he got someone who Everton's there in the game rather than going well that's it isn't it we definitely will finish now out of that whole list other than what we know and Benita's off the table is probably the one where you'd go very highly rated he's won't something every year practically since he became a manager Barcelona had looked at him but he's another one who it's a stepping stone for and maybe that's all we can attract I don't know but I don't know how well he speaks English and all of that he doesn't he's never managed in Europe it's a tough decision but they should not be don't be panicking I don't think they should be I just don't want to end up with all the same problems we've had know what the worst thing I was thinking on the way we're going to do like our teams of the decade and I was thinking who would be our manager the decade and it would still be Moise I mean all right Martin's first season was great and I appreciate that but it still will be Moise because you just look at her and go all right Martin's got us to a fifth finish pious total and got us to two semifinals but you just look at her and go Ben Moise had us in the top six out semifinals and above Liverpool twice as well we're not going to do it now but you know what I mean though we've had a whole we've had a whole six man let us know your thoughts in the comments anyway if anything changes we'll probably do another one on the day after the day after so let us know your thoughts in the comments on what you think about who should get the evident manager's job and we'll see what happens in the next few days if you haven't already subscribed please do click the bell for the later you would know exactly when there's some breaking news or we do something live because of the breaking news or whatever you want more great videos join us over on Patreon if you're looking to buy any of our 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