 What's up, everybody? Welcome into the FanDuel Sunday Night Fantasy Recap. I'm your host, Simon, joined as always by my wildly handsome Backward Hats Cap wearing Jay Felicio. What's up, Jay? What's up, man? That's what all the cool kids are doing. So I figured, you know what? I'm a youth, so I need to wear my hat backwards. And he didn't even question the decision once. Like before the show, he didn't even one time ask me, should I wear the hat backwards or forwards and switch it forward, switch it back backwards, switch it forwards, backwards. I didn't ask my wife before I came upstairs either or anything like that. Absolutely not. I was just, I made the decision. He was so confident in the backwards hat. Easily as confident in his forwards-facing cap, like the cool kids on the stream. We have a special guest host here with us today. It's our great friend, Nate Polvo. For those of you that do not know Nate, you can find him on Twitter at Nate Polvo. It's right there below his handsome spectacle face on the screen. He is the man who does a little bit of everything over at IBT Media. You can also find his written work on Fantasy Pros and Trophy Smack as well. Nate, thanks so much for joining us today, my man. Thanks for having me, guys. I'm really stoked to be here. I was really excited when Jay asked me to come on. And Jay, I've got to say, you are a man of confidence with that hat. Like you just don't care. You don't care that it looks silly. You're like, you know what? I'm doing it. I'm wearing this hat backwards. That's right. I'm going to be like all the youths out there. It's beautiful. You love it. That's right. You just, it takes 10 years off of you, Jay. You look, you look 35 again. We got Albert in the chat. What's up, Albert? Welcome and glad to have you here. And IBT Media representing in the chat. Happy Sunday. Welcome in. Albert in here with the, uh, the Taysome Hill. Yeah. Yeah. I get a feeling we're going to have a Simon rant before the show's over. I hope so. You know what? I don't think you're going to get the full rant today because before you get the full rant, I need, I need the numbers. I need to see the snap count to get the full effect of this rant. I feel like because it's going to be infuriating, like it's going to be infuriating what he did in that game today. And the worst part is this morning on um pregame with Frayard Franici over on Butter Sports Network, we had Scott Engel come on and he was talking, you know, Taysome Hill anytime touchdown score. I like it today. I think he's not a big game. And I was like, absolutely not. You cannot pay me to start Taysome Hill. And it's just, he did it to, to spite me. We got figures in the chat with nothing but flames. What's up my man? Welcome in. And before we get started breaking down these games that happened today and previewing Sunday night football, we have a question in here from Chris kicking us off. He said God offered Miles Sanders for Thielen and Melvin Gordon. I have a lot of wide receiver depth. Should I do it for the RB upgrade on my team? So Nate, do you view Miles Sanders as an upgrade over Melvin Gordon and would you make this trade? You know, I'm not sure right now because there's so much up in the air in Denver. Like we've got Latavius Murray coming in, but we don't know what that's going to mean. Gordon put up some good numbers on Thursday in a really sloppy, crappy game. I don't know that I'm willing to move for Sanders because we've seen Sanders be so streaky where sometimes the volume is there and then all of a sudden just disappears. That's a tough one. I don't think I'd do it probably. I don't think I'd move Melvin and Thielen for Sanders. It's rough, right? Because Miles Sanders, I think they're relatively close Sanders and Gordon, but you get Sanders in that Eagles offense, which is enticing. That is true. It is such a difference to what we're seeing on the field for that Broncos offense right now, which really limits Melvin Gordon. That being said, Thielen's a big piece to add for a slight upgrade. Even if he is sitting on your bench, I think you could get a slightly better running back for Thielen and Melvin Gordon. I'd go shopping with that pair. Thielen plus Melvin Gordon. Go shopping. See if you can get something else besides Miles Sanders. What do you think, Jack? Yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you guys said. When I first looked at it, I was leaning towards the Miles Sanders side, but starting next week, we're going to have bye week. Even though Adam Thielen might be on your bench right now, he might be somebody that you're starting when your wide receivers go on by. I agree. I don't think it's a big enough upgrade to make that move now. I would want something a little more in order to make that deal. And a great team with great depth can all of a sudden have six starters not playing, and the guy that's on your bench that you thought you would never have to start is in your lineup in week five. That sounds a little specific. Just hypothetically, just fully hypothetical. That can happen. It could happen in week six. That one's truly hypothetical. Guys, before we get started talking about some Sunday night football, I want to remind everyone to have a couple of things. Number one, if you're not already following our guest host, Nate, over on Twitter, go and fix that right now. Truly one of our favorite people in the space. He's on Twitter at Nate poll vote right there on the screen. Super easy to go find him over there. Hit that follow button after you do that. 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It's a long poop. There was too much shrimp operator before the game. Mr. Scampers in here saying, hi, everybody. What's up, Mr. Scampers? Glad to have you in here. And Dames said, what's up? What's up, Dame? Glad to have you in. Geek hippie in here as well. What's up, Geek? Guys, this Sunday night football game between the Ravens and the Bengals is what we got coming up. This is in Baltimore. The Ravens are three-point favorites at home, so not giving much to the Baltimore Ravens, even though they're at home, but 47.5 point over under in this one. My initial reactions whenever I looked at that was, I feel like the Ravens should be favored by more in this game. But then you dig a little bit deeper and this Ravens team has some serious flaws through the first couple weeks that have been relatively exposed. The Ravens are giving up the most points to opposing fantasy wide receivers. We know Jamar, Jason, T Higgins are in your lineup. If you have those guys on your team, like I can't imagine a team where either of those guys doesn't make it into your starting lineup. But Tyler Boyd as the third man there has had some big games already this year. We've seen him do it throughout his career. And they're going up against an exploitable Baltimore Raven secondary. Jay, do you have any interest in starting Tyler Boyd tonight in your fantasy leagues? As a flex player, it just depends on the situation. He's not somebody I'm trying to force into my lineups. But you know, if you're in a situation where you have an injured starter, you know, it's five weeks in, but we're already dropping guys like flies left and right. I definitely am more than comfortable sticking in Tyler Boyd as an injury replacement or a flex play. What about you, Nate? Are you feeling comfy with Tyler Boyd tonight or are you avoiding him if possible? So I've had to start him in a couple of leagues thanks to injuries and such, but flexing him. And I think he's a good flex option. This Baltimore secondary is awful. They are awful. And Borough really needs this kind of get right game against an easy secondary. Maybe he won't be under as much pressure as he's been under. I think all three of these guys have fantasy relevant weeks this week. Man, Jamar Chase and T Higgins to the moon against this secondary. Yeah, absolute smash for those of you guys. And I'm with you. I think Tyler Boyd is a startable asset, but not someone I'm trying to force in there. Jay, Tyler Boyd or the de facto wide receiver one with Rashad Bateman out on the Ravens, Devin DuVernay tonight. Would you be starting Tyler Boyd or Devin DuVernay? I would go DuVernay simply because he's got a little bit of a safer floor with that volume. You know, even though technically he's the wide receiver one, he's more of like the second pass catching option potentially third because I do like Isaiah likely the rookie tight end tonight as well. You know, with both Chase and Higgins ahead of him, I'm going to have to lean DuVernay side. What about you, Nate? Are you leaning DuVernay over Boyd as well? I mean, I do, but I'm going to start DuVernay. I'm going to start DuVernay. Jay, I'm starting DuVernay over Boyd for one reason because he has that boom potential because he's the deep threat in this offense. And he's shown that he's a really reliable deep target for Jackson. Get a couple of bombs, get a couple of touchdowns, and that's going to be probably better than anything Boyd's going to do. And he's done it already even with Rashad Bateman on the field this season, so. Yeah, absolutely. I'm with you guys. It's going to be DuVernay. Now, DuVernay, if you also ask me which of these guys is more likely to put up a goose, it's probably DuVernay, even in that one role. Maybe he's not used the way we think and he gets targeted twice, doesn't catch either ball, comes up with zero points. Like that is in the range of outcomes for a player like Devin DuVernay. But I'm with you. I think we see a little bit more volume for him tonight with Rashad Bateman being out. But like you mentioned, Jay, with these tight ends, there's no guarantee that a pass has to go that way for this Ravens team to win. Like Mark Andrews is unreal and what we saw from likely in the preseason a little bit throughout this year so far has been really promising. I saw a question in the chat asking about JK Dobbins in that MVP spot for FanDuel tonight. Who asked that? I think it was Albert or no. Where did that go? It's gone. But someone asked him, oh, he can't be Dobbins in MVP for FanDuel tonight. Jay, Cincinnati Bengals defense has been fairly good against the running backs so far. This is expected to be a high scoring game though. JK Dobbins a little bit further down like the fifth or sixth option as far as the highest priced players go. Do you think this might be a good way to differentiate your lineup or Dobbins is a decent player to put in that MVP spot? 100%. That's how you win these big tournaments, these big GPPs is when you've got something that doesn't seem obvious. Now it's going to be a little harder for something like that to hit but with Rashad Bateman out, JK Dobbins might not be on the radar of everybody because he's still coming back from that injury. He looked pretty good last weekend but he's still not quite 100%. If they decide they're trying to get him right, they want to feed him the rock, I love it. I think he's a great play for your MVP. Yeah, Herms in here. What's up? What's up, Herms, my man? Welcome man, glad to have you here. Nate, I wanted to throw this one to you. Herms had a question for us in this game. Herms had Kyle Pitts on his team and I think there's a lot of Kyle Pitts managers out there that were struggling this week, myself included. He said Hearst were likely as a streamer tonight. So which one of those tight ends from this game would you be plugging in? You know, I like Hayden Hearst. I like the role he's kind of developing in this offense, but I think likely has more upside, more boom potential this week over Hearst. More likely, that hill boom. Jay, I think it is more likely that Isaiah likely has a better game. I'm probably going to go likely in this scenario. Yeah, the Ravens aren't a team that's like particularly exploitable at tight end. Like they've got the weakness of wide receiver. The Bengals, Zach Taylor are very good at attacking the weakness of opposing teams. They're going to be chucking the ball up to their wide receivers. Hayden Hearst is an afterthought in this offense tonight. I'll go Isaiah likely though. I'm expecting four points from whichever one you start. Like that's four points for Isaiah likely. But maybe, maybe he gets a touchdown and then you're happy. Well, see, that's four more points than you get if Kyle Pitts is healthy though. That's honestly, it was like kind of relaxing just like, I know Tyler Conklin didn't do much for me today in my lineups, but like, hey, I love expectations for Tyler Conklin. Yeah, it was like, that's fine, whatever. I was wrong on Conklin, but that feels a lot better than being wrong on Kyle Pitts every single week. It hurts. It's painful. I saw another question here asking about the MVP for tonight's game. We have some other players. I want to throw some names at you for the MVP tonight. See if any of them jump out at you as maybe values or players that you would be tucking in there. We got Lamar Jackson at 17,000, Joe Burrow at 15, five to top it off. Then the next two are Mark Andrews at 14,000, Jamar Chase at 13, five, Joe makes them at 12, five, T Higgins at 12, Dobbins at 11, five, and then Tyler Boyd at 10. Jay, any of those names jump out at you? Maybe besides JK Dobbins is someone you'd want to tuck into that MVP spot. Maybe is, what does DuVernay price that? Is that a way that you would like to differentiate yourself for now? Maybe. I know he's somewhat of a bigger name, but everybody's going to chase after Jamar Chase. And I actually did not mean to do that. That just happened naturally. But T Higgins has been phenomenal this season and somebody who I have a lot of shares of in all of my fantasy leagues, because everybody sees him as the wide receiver too. But in this explosive of an offense, like Nate was saying, the Bengals are really trying to get Joe Burrow right. And this is the right matchup for that to happen. I think he's going to have a big game. I wouldn't be surprised to see T Higgins come down with multiple touchdowns in this game. What about you, Nate? Any of those names jump out at you? Do you agree with Jay's pick of T Higgins? He took the words right out of my mouth. T Higgins, that's very attractive, very attractive at that price as a captain. Yeah, I'm with you guys. I love that one. And I know I said Devin DuVernay could come up with zero, but he could also come up with three touchdowns in this game, right? If it's the shootout that we expect. If we put a lineup together with DuVernay in there just for fun, that might be a popular contrarian MVP pick. You know what I mean? Like with the shot Bateman being out, that may just be a play that lots of people are out there throwing into their lineup. So you might not get the differentiation that you're hoping for with that. Before we move on from this game, we're going to update you on some injuries right after this. I wanted to get a, I want to get some predictions. Nate, we'll start with you. Who's winning this game? What's the score? I'm writing it down to you. You didn't, you didn't know this, but this is also an animal bet. So animal noise bet. So if you get this wrong, you have to make an animal noise either, you know, on Twitter or we'll figure out how, but and it does include an adjective. So it's not just like a giraffe. It's like an angsty giraffe. What was the culture one that I wrote robot eagle is another one that we've done in the past. So there will be an agile. How the hell do you do that? Mine was a hungry vulture, I think that was, all right. I like Cincinnati in this game. I think there, I think it's going to be a pretty high scoring game, but I think Cincinnati ends up winning it 45 38. Oh, I hope you are right, Nate. That sounds like a good Sunday night to me. I'll go next, Jay. I'll let you go last in this one. Usually I give myself a slight advantage and I go last in the, you know, whatever one else said, I'm going to go second here. I'm going to take the Ravens in this one. I think even without Rashad Bateman, the Ravens are able to get this one done. If that's going to be the case, it's probably going to be a high scoring affair. So I'm with Nate on that front. I'll say the Ravens take it. Hmm. Where do we want to go on here? We'll say 42 40. They're going to win by two 42 40 for the Ravens. Jay, what about you? I'm going to lean on the bingle side. I do think that Joe Burrow has a big game. I think Lamar does as well, but I may or may not need Joe Burrow to have a big game for my only. So I'm going to will it to existence. I'm going to say it is going to be Cincinnati 40 to 37 40 to 37. All of us expect in a high scoring game watching 10 12, like like a few weekends ago, 13 11 is going to be the final score in this game. All of a sudden it just implodes. We're absolutely livid. Also, Mr. Scamper's in here with a an early contender for next week's animal noise. Not an early contender. That's it. From the otter. I'll start practicing because that is a great one. Jay, before we get into our first game, did you want to give us an update on injuries that took place today? Yeah. So these we have some decent ones today. Knock some players out that I know we did have some pretty big injuries. This isn't necessarily a catch all, but just some of the the biggest ones and probably the biggest one from a fantasy perspective. Rashad Penny had to be helped off the field. It looks like he's got a fractured tibia. So I would expect him. I don't I didn't see this yet, but I would expect him to if not miss a significant junk of time. Most of the entire season. Kenneth Gainwell season is here. And if for some reason he's available on your waiver wire below everything that you got, go pick him up. He could. I saw somebody asking. I do think Kenneth Gainwell could be a potential league winner. Do you mean Ken Walker? What did I say? Gainwell. Yes. That is exactly whatever. I even wrote down Kenneth Gainwell. Excuse me. Kenneth Walker is a potential league winner. If he's out there on your waiver wire, go spend everything that you need for him. Kenneth Walker. If he's on your waiver wire, maybe send me your league mates names. I want to join that league if I pick up Kenneth Walker right now. Some shallow benches redraft leagues, you know, not everybody's as in depth as we are, you know, with some of our leagues. So I can see him being out there. Also the score just went fine. All the Eagles defeated the Cardinals and the 49ers did defeat the Panthers. 37-15 now went fine. A couple of minutes ago. The Panthers. Yeah. The Panthers. No, they bought the Panthers. Oh, no, they just don't have any fans anymore. So they have to be their own fans. So they're called the Carolina Panthers now. That makes sense. Yeah, especially with a guy like Baker Mayfield under center. But Pat Frymuth suffered his third concussion in less than a year. That has to be some concern. You know, it's this year, but within 12 months, he's had three that I truly, I truly wouldn't be shocked to see him stop playing football. No, like three in a year is scary. I'm not saying that's going to happen. But if we get news coming out, Pat Frymuth stepping away, don't be shocked. Like three concussions in that short amount of time can have lifelong consequences. Like can truly ruin your health for the rest of your life. I hope that's not the case. I hope he's okay. But especially he was, man, he was looking so good this season. Look like he was emerging as one of those top tier tight ends. It's really, you know, unfortunate. And as all these guys, we hope, you know, they get healthy quick and same thing. Anytime it's a brain injury, you're a little scared. So get well soon, Pat, for our truck. Chris Olavi had a concussion. Don't know how much time he's going to miss is something to keep an eye on. Teddy Bridgewater, while he did pass concussion protocol because of the new rules that the NFLPA and the NFL set up this past weekend. Even though he passed, he had enough signs that he was ruled out for the game with elbow injury and the head injury. So I'm glad that they put those in place to protect players from themselves. Damien Harris pulled his hamstring. Don't know how much time he's going to miss, but Remandry Stevenson got that bell cow back status. Damien Harris is out for a long period of time. Remandry Stevenson is another one that should have a lot of fantasy value going forward. Christian Watson pulled his hamstring as well. He's got a history of soft tissue injuries. And then Drake London tweaked his ankle, but he didn't miss any time. Should be perfectly fine. And Saquon Barkley left the game, came back in and had a doozy of a game. I feel like in that five minute window where he was out or however long it was, I saw so many like, oh, there goes Henry Brown, Saquon Barkley. It's like everyone's so ready to victory. Like, this is why you didn't draft Saquon Barkley. Then he comes back in and he's like, suck it nerd. So watch what I just felt so good to see him come back in and not just play, but come back in and like make his game be the dude that we know he can be. Absolutely. Well, speaking of Saquon, let's go ahead. I like the order you did there. You ended with a positive news. We had some downs in there, but we ended with some positive. Speaking of positive, the New York football giants upset the Green Bay Packers 27-22. It was a really fun game to watch, not just because of them, the Giants fan. It was just a good game overall. You know, sometimes we get the stinkers for the early morning games, but it was a good one. Going in the halftime, the Packers were up 20-10, but they did not score any second half touchdowns. The Giants stayed undefeated in the United Kingdom. Their last win coming all the way back, I think, before Simon was born in 2007 against the Miami Dolphins. And just want to throw this out there last time that they won in the UK. They won the Super Bowl. So just not saying, I'm just an interesting fact. The Packers. Roger said on OK Day, 222 passing yards, two touchdowns. One of the touchdowns went to Alan Lazard, who finished with a disappointing four catches for 35 yards. Randall Cobb led the way with 13 targets, seven catches, and just under 100 receiving yards on the day. Cobb's first game of the season with more than double-digit points, and the first game that he had more than four targets. You guys interested in picking up Alan Cobb off the waiver wire? Alan Cobb? Yeah, absolutely. If they're smooshing those guys into one player, that's great. We can get the high target. Randall Cobb's first game of the season with double-digit points or more and more than four targets. Are you interested in picking up Randall Cobb off of the waiver wire? If he's going to be involved in this offense, yeah. Is this going to be consistent, though? Yeah, I think that's the question. Now, that being said, I'm not looking at these 13 targets in a vacuum, because he had the 4-3-4 before that. We know how Aaron Rodgers likes to play and who he likes to throw the ball to. If this was any other team, any other quarterback, and a veteran player who wasn't getting targeted heavily all of a sudden at a game with 13 targets, I might say it was his week. You know what I mean? But Aaron Rodgers likes throwing to players that he's comfortable with. They made a point of saying Randall Cobb needed to get more involved, and here he is with 13 targets. I'm not expecting that every week, but maybe now we see him in the 7-10 target range, instead of in the 4-6 target range on a weekly basis. He's worth picking up just to see if that is the case. You know what I mean? That's not even, I think, the most likely outcome, but if you've got a spot on your bench, maybe you have some players you tucked into IR this week. Unfortunately, Randall Cobb's a guy you could pick up and throw on there. Then Alan Lazar, whenever like, this is what he does. We talked about disappointing. This is Alan Lazar. Whenever you drafted him, you knew this was his floor. He's probably going to get close to double-digit touchdowns. That's what he does. He's a big-bodied touchdown catching wide receiver, but he's never been that high-yardage guy. He's never been the guy to get 1,000, 1,100, 1,200 yards. If he gets 800 yards and has 10 touchdowns, you should be thrilled. I'm not sure this is, I guess, depending on your expectations, this is a disappointing game, but this is a quintessential Alan Lazar game. This is who he is as an NFL player. If you were super high on him, like our good friend Dave Kluge, who was all aboard the Lazar train, then it might be a little disappointing. But yeah, I'm with you. This is what you come to expect from Alan Lazar. I was on the Lazar train too. I just want to say I'm sorry. I drafted a ton of Lazar, but I still don't think it was a bad draft pick. You know what I mean? A guy that's going to get too close. Wherever he was going, the upside was well worth it. It's fine. You can still start him. He's startable still. Absolutely. Despite what certain people on Twitter would like you to think, all of us have lots of bad calls. All of us have lots of good calls. That's just the way this wonderful game works. But speaking about disappointing, the running back for the Packers really did not do much. 16 attempts, 63 yards, and two catches for Aaron Jones. He's had a solid season so far. He's averaging 14.4 points per game. But you have to be concerned for AJ Dillon. He was a hot name going into the season, but today he had six carries, 34 yards. He had a big week one, but since then, he's failed to score double digit points, four straight games, no touchdowns, and he's averaging 49 rushing yards per game on the season. Are better days ahead for AJ Dillon? Are you guys looking to trade for him, or is he just one of these early season busts? This Packers team needs to be better for AJ Dillon to be the fantasy player that we wanted him to. They can't be in these super close games with teams that they're supposed to be killing. AJ Dillon's value comes in. The Packers are up by 10. The Packers are up by 14. They're running the ball down. He's perfect for that role. And that's just not what this Packers team has been doing in most of their games so far. An overtime game against a third-string quarterback in New England, a London loss to the New York Giants. I think maybe this Packers team thinks they're better than they are. I think they're better than we, or they're not as good as we thought they were going to be coming into the season. And a lot of AJ Dillon's fantasy success was dependent on this Packers offense being well above average, being a great NFL offense. And they're not. So can you get it together? Yeah, but we need to see improvements from this offense as a whole, and then AJ Dillon's success will follow. Well, I think you nailed it, Simon, in that this team, we were way too high on this offense. Not good. It's not good. And all the Aaron Rodgers drama. You can see how it's affected this team. While it's quiet now, that was quite a distraction during the offseason, and it probably affected a lot of their prep preseason. They said just here recently, he doesn't know if he's going to play next year, depending on how the wide receivers develop. Like, what does that say to these guys, these young guys who were, you got a couple of rookies. Obviously, he's still got Randall Cobb. But what kind of confidence did that put in your team? Like, yeah, if these guys don't get any better, I'm out. What does he expect? I would, for the rest of my life, if Aaron Rodgers retired, and I was Romeo Dobbs or Christian Watson, I would go around telling people that I made Aaron Rodgers retired. You know what I mean? Like, for the rest of my life, that would be my fun fact. Like, I made Aaron Rodgers retire. It was solely dependent on me. And he decided to retire. It was me. Congratulations. Is there just something about Green Bay that makes these star quarterbacks go nuts at the end of their career? Like, Brett Favre with a little crazy. I mean, he moved on to other teams. But still, like, you know, we've got Aaron Rodgers being a wacko. I kind of think the best thing that could happen for this Giants team, or Giants is Packers team, is Aaron Rodgers to walk away at the end of this season and let them move on? Let them figure it out. It's a hot take. I don't mind it, though. It's probably coming sometime soon. All of Aaron Rodgers' behavior points to that being the case coming up. And especially, I have to imagine, he doesn't like being on a team that's playing like this. He's not used to it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's definitely wishing that they brought back Devonte Adams. But on the other side of the ball, Saquon Barkley does Saquon Barkley things. Not only could you eat Thanksgiving dinner off of his quads, he's taking Wildcat snaps. He's catching the ball, rushing the ball. He's doing it all for the Giants. The 4-in-1 New York Giants. I'm just rubbing it in as long as I can, because I'm expecting the other foot to drop, and this to come crashing down as soon as possible. So I just got to throw all that in there. He did leave the game with an injury for a little bit. He came right back in. He could even have a better day. But while he was out for a little bit, Gary Brightwell Jr. got his first career touchdown. And Saquon came out, and you'd love to see it. Came out was all about it. Gave him a hug, was cheering him on. So you love to see stuff like that with the teammates. Daniel Jones was banged up, but he had a Daniel Jones game. 270 passing yards, 37 rushing yards. No touchdowns, but there was no interceptions either. So he played pretty solid. No Kedarius, Tony. No Sterling Shepherd. No Kenny Golliday. But let's be honest, Kenny Golliday hasn't been there since he signed with the New York Giants. Darius Layton had a pretty decent game. Seven targets, six reception, 79 yards. Made some big plays when the Giants really needed it. He's another guy. He could potentially be the wide receiver one on this team. Do you guys have any interest picking him up off of the waiver wire? Darius, Tony. Not Darius Layton. Darius Layton. Sorry, I thought you said Kedarius, Tony. I was like, if Kedarius, Tony is on the waiver wire, he's injured. But Darius Layton potentially, he's a guy that he's on my radar. He'll probably be my third or fourth player. As I submit my big groups or whatever they are, but that's more has to do with this New York Giants offense. And I just don't trust that they're going to have a consistent wide receiver that's always leading in targets week in, week out. I think it's going to be a rotating cast. Yeah, I think you're right, Simon. But I do think there's a chance that Darius Layton could take over this wide receiver room and be the guy, but who I'm really interested in. And I think it's going to start to see my work is Daniel Bellinger. Daniel Bellinger. Tight end. Definitely. Yep. And he did he have another touchdown? He did not have a touchdown. Yes, he did. He had a rushing touchdown. I mean, rushing touchdown. I knew I thought I saw it. But yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I do like Daniel Bellinger. And somebody else that I wouldn't mind picking up is not Tony, but Wanda Robinson. You know, he's still out there. He was potentially supposed to play. He's had injuries set back, but the Giants are in desperate need for a playmaker. I would not be, I'd be fine with throwing Wanda Robinson, Bellinger, Slayton, any of these guys, you know, not a priority whatsoever. But, you know, a lottery ticket at the end of your bench. Campers. And I was only five years too early on Darius Slayton. Absolutely. Then me and Devontae Parker. Oh, geez. That's pretty much it for this game for me. All right, guys. So I want to talk about the Steelers' bills, if I can. Do you mind? Hot. Yes, please. Talking about that game. Okay. So this game, I love Josh Allen. But man, he was like Josh Allen on freaking steroids today. He was angry. He was furious. Is Josh Allen the MVP of the NFL right now? I mean, if we vote today. Man, he's making it, it seemed like, you know, here's how my mind is going with MVP. I'm like, boy, Jalen Hurts making a strong case, right? Like I'm sitting there looking at him. And then Lamar Jackson comes out and he's like, not so fast. Like, watch what I can do. And I'm like, oh, shit. No, Lamar Jackson's the MVP. And then we see Josh Allen come out here 350 yards in the first half. And it's like, okay. This is like, I don't know if there's another player in the NFL, maybe besides Patrick Mahomes, they can knock that stat line down in the first half. That's rude. Imagine if the Steelers just put up somewhat of a fight, like what Josh Allen stat line could have looked like. He could have thrown for 600 yards today. I started cheering for him in the third quarter. The Steelers, I was like, no, I want Josh to throw more. Like I want more and break the record. I'm sorry. Yeah. Love your arms. I'm at one touchdown past the Gabriel Davis at the beginning of the game. Did you guys hear the announcers go into like monster voice? They were like, the announcers like talking and they were like, Gabriel Davis goes, get over here. And then they just kept going with the normal broadcasts. Like just in the middle just went full on, get over here. And they kept going. This is wild. Second catch by Gabe Davis. My goodness. The one handed. Nate said one. Nate said, how about Josh Allen? And we just were like, how about Josh Allen? Keep going. I'm sorry, Nate. No, no. But like seriously, this is how excited I am for what he's doing in fantasy. The one thing that kind of sucks is I had him at a bunch of lineups today and I was winning. And then they took him out and I ceased getting points. And I got kicked out of money. But you know, it was fun to watch Gabe Davis, man. Is he like, is he back? I kind of feel like we have to at least like think about him as a solid wide receiver too. When he has these three catches, 171 yards and two touchdowns. So full disclosure, right? Yeah, exactly. This is Gabe Davis. And what we saw last, like what we saw also, the bad games are also Gabe Davis. This is the Gabe Davis experience. You're going to have these games where you're like, holy shit, he's the best wide receiver in the NFL, 170 yards. He is the bomb. And then you're going to have weeks where you're like, huh, really should have started someone else in that spot. But you got to start him every week, knowing that he can do this is how I feel about it. Sorry, Jay, I cut you off. What were you going to say about Mr. Gabe Davis? And you pretty much said exactly what I was going to say. Oh, cool. I'm glad I got to say it instead of you then. Yeah. Yeah. So you now look like I'm going to copy everything that you're saying. Isaiah McKenzie didn't play as well. So you do have to take that into consideration. I know like Gabe Davis had this huge blow up game, but he only had three catches and two of them were just unbelievable, huge big plays. Now I would feel more comfortable with Gabe Davis as my wide receiver three. I think by the end of the season, he's going to wind up on a points per game basis because of these big games finishing as a top 24 wide receiver. But the down games are going to be down. Josh Allen is amazing as he is, isn't going to throw for 400 yards and four touchdowns every game. Isaiah McKenzie was showing that he was going to be involved in this offense once he comes back from injury. Those six targets might be four targets, might be five targets. So I think if you have Gabe Davis, obviously you're happy, but it's going to be an up and down ride. And that's what she said. Jay's on one tonight, man. Yeah, I agree with you Jay. He's so boom bust, but those boom games are 171 yards and two touchdowns. But Stefan Diggs still eight catches 102 yards today. He had a touchdown Khalil Shakir, who Bo McBrayer called this morning on the in between media DFS show. He said he was an ad. It was a good call. Probably not sustainable after the one game. McKenzie will be back. We're not probably not going to see a whole lot more of him unless McKenzie gets injured again. But all around like this bill's team looked complete. They didn't run the ball especially well. It was kind of such a tandem approach. And I think we finally reached the point where I don't know that any of these running backs are really startable week to week. Singletary, Cook, Zach Moss got one carry for seven yards today. Like Josh Allen is the running back in this offense and they don't need him to do it a ton because they're throwing the ball so well. I was heavily starting Devin Singletary today. He was one of the guys I was very excited about. And you know what, going forward, I'm probably still going to start Devin Singletary. Not with as much excitement as I did in this thing, but I do think of the backs there, he is by far the best running back. And I think the bills recognize that. And he'll have the most carries. Now it's not going to be like a true horse roll. We're going to see other guys with five, six, seven help. Maybe sometimes they even get up to eight, nine carries. But Singletary should most weeks get double digit carries. But you're right, Nate, the problem with him is not that there's other running backs eating into his workload. I think it's more this offense doesn't need him to win games. Like the running backs that you want are the ones where in order to win the game, they are a necessary part of it. Singletary is just not with Josh Allen under center. He's not necessary. Well, and James Cook starting to see more work. I mean, 7.8 yards per carry for her cook today. Devin Singletary had six. As Herm says, I will not besmirch the name of Devin Singletary. What I will say though is, you know, there was some people that were talking about him as a potential high-end running back to, I think it's more of a back-end RB2, more of a flex play, bi-week replacement because of situations like this. Just like you said, Simon, he is not the first, second, or third option on this offense. This is the type of game you would hope that he would have a big game when they're up big and they could just rely on the run in the second half and get six carries. You know, in a game 38-3, GameScript doesn't get much better for a running back when, you know, going up, putting up 31 points in the first half. So I'm fine starting Devin Singletary depending on your roster makeup. But he's not somebody that I want to depend on week to week. Yeah, it's going to be kind of hard to depend on really any of these running backs week to week. Now, on the other side of the ball, I mean, it was offense, offense, offense for the builds. But the Steelers, Kenny Pickett's debut against a really tough defense. He only had the one pick this week though, which better than last week, went 34 for 52, 327 yards. Not a horrible start for a kid that we thought had the tiniest hands on earth. But he's looked good. He's looked efficient. He's made some good throws. What concerns me about this game is even though they were way behind, Najee Harris 11 carries for 20 yards. We just have not gotten the Najee Harris of 2021 this season. He hasn't been that efficient. He hasn't been the point talker, the volume hog we had hoped for. Are you guys concerned about Najee Harris moving forward? Do you think maybe he's just going to pick it back up just to slow start? Yeah, this is, I'm concerned about Najee Harris. That being said, this game was the perfect storm, a rookie quarterback in his first start with a horrible offensive line against one of the best, if not the best defensive line in the entire league. They weren't scared of Pickett at all, not even a little bit where they scared of Pickett beating them through the air. I mean, I think we see that with over 300 yards passing for Pickett, right? They were like, okay, do it, do it, beat us. And they just shut Najee Harris down. There's better games ahead for Najee, but that being said, this offensive line is terrible. Other teams also aren't going to be terrified of the rookie quarterback under center behind this line. And they're going to focus in on Najee Harris and stopping the Steelers from beating them that way. So you're probably not getting the Najee we saw in previous years, but he's still going to get the volume. So he's still mostly going to be started in fantasy. Just like Kerm said in the chat, he wasn't efficient last year. It was the volume that he saw. It was the targets that he saw. And I'm really concerned for Najee. I have been a few places and I'm really concerned because Kenny Pickett is actually, can take more than two steps without losing his breath like Ben Rafflesberger last year. He's not necessarily a Konami code quarterback, but he's mobile. So that's going to take away from some of those dump downs that Ben Rafflesberger threw to Najee Harris last year. This offense, I will say, I think it's going to be better than it was to start the season. So there's better days ahead, but RB1 status I think is all but gone for Najee Harris. I think you really have to consider him more of RB2 and you're hoping that he scores a touchdown. Well, and like today we saw a Jalen Warren get five carries for 24 yards. And he bested Najee in yards, where I think this offense is really going to shine Jay. To you saying it's going to get better, I think we're going to see more out of George Pickens and more out of Deandre Johnson. Pickens with the six catches today on eight targets, 13 targets for Deandre. People were worried about Deandre with Pickett coming in. These are receivers that I think I want to kind of start going after in most leagues if I can get them for a fair price because I think their volume is going to go through the roof. Maybe not a ton of touchdowns, but I mean six catches for 83 yards, that's 14 points without a touchdown. What more do you want in PPR? Yeah, that's all you need. I think I agree with you. And Pickens is the one I'm more excited about, but whenever I'm looking at who I'm going to trade for is Deandre Johnson, because I think everybody's more excited about George Pickens. I think people are viewing this as like a changing of the guard. And I don't think that's the case. I think Deandre Johnson will still be the most heavily targeted wide receiver on this team at the end of the season. And you might be able to get them cheaper than usual this week, even after a pretty heavily targeted game because George Pickens had such a good game, right? People want any reason to get excited about a rookie wide receiver. And they were seeing it first start from Kenny Pickett and George Pickens had a decent game against this awesome Buffalo defense. Yeah, I think that's a fair point about Deandre. I like that. I think I thought Deandre was great cutting into the season. The drops have always been talked about with him way too much. Get over it. Because he said he seriously get over it because he's still catching a lot of balls and he scores. And he's a very, very talented receiver. I think Pickens has the better year, but I think you're right. Deandre is probably more attainable for a reasonable cost at this point. Absolutely. I think that about wraps it up for this one. I mean, if it's for vintage, Chris Boswell, Mr. Filgo, that hurt me in DFS too. And I'm done. Band kickers. Do not ban kickers because some people have something with kickers, Jay, and we shouldn't tell people to ban things they're having fun with if it doesn't hurt you. Right? Come on, Jay. I didn't think about it that way. The next game we were going to talk about was this Chargers Browns game. And this game turned into one of the more exciting games of the afternoon, 30 to 28, before you get into anything fantasy-related in this game. I just have to bring out the call by Brandon Staley in the fourth quarter, the analytics call. The analytics call. So let me just set the picture for anybody who doesn't know what we're talking about here. In the fourth quarter, the Chargers are up by two points on their own side of the field, on their own 46-yard line, I believe, fourth down and two in their own territory, about a minute left in the game, up by two points. The Browns only need a field goal to win it, and they go for it. The analytics say go for it. That's what the numbers say. You've got a better chance at winning if you go for this than if you don't and you punt the ball. Well, they didn't get it. And you know what? The Browns got to attempt like a 46-yard game-winning field goal. They missed. They got out alive, but, Nate, what do you think about that call? Going for it on fourth and two there, on your own side of the field, up by two. Well, so I don't know if you guys are familiar with Amy Trask. Fantastic follow on Twitter. She's a former executive for the Las Vegas Raiders. She's been around the NFL for a long time. She said that when she was running the Raiders, if their head coach had done that in a game, she would have fired him immediately after the game and forced him to fly home commercial in a middle seat in coach class. That is how I feel. This was such a stupid call for Staley, like the field position. And now, granted, this Browns team isn't like the most electric on offense, but Percet's got an arm. Like, he could throw the end. That's a really fair point. If you're playing the Browns, it's still a safe call. But, dude, that's a risk. And Kate York hit a 60-yarder in week one to beat the Jets. Beat the Panthers, I'm sorry. But still. It's stupid. They throw it to Mike Williams. They don't even try to, you know, you would think, you know, well, that's the other thing you drove me nuts about. It was throwing it. Like, dude, you've got Austin Eckler, who has 173 yards on the day. He's been running all over it with Kelly. Justin Herbert's mobile enough. Josh McKillie had a touchdown today. You run the ball in that situation. That's the second time this week we saw that freaking Broncos. We need Richard Sherman. We need Richard Sherman to just sit down, get all the NFL coaches in one room and sit there and say, run the gosh darn ball. And he has to hesitate, like he did on national television. Show that restraint. I just need him to sit in front of all those coaches and like, look at him and be like, stop being cute. Stop it. Don't be cute. But this is a, charges fans are used to decisions like this from Brandon Staley. I feel like this isn't shocking for them. He is, for better or worse, he goes by those analytics numbers and he rolls with them. He says if the analytics say it's a better call, he's going to make it. Even if it looks stupid to us and he made that call. That being said, let's talk about the guy that we just brought up, Austin freaking Echler. Last week he had the three touchdown game. This week he follows it up with 16 carries for 173 yards and a touchdown on the ground. Four receptions for 26 yards and a touchdown through the air. Nate, here's the question I want to pose to you. We are redrafting today. Is Austin Echler the RB1 rest of season? Redrafting today, knowing what we know now with injuries he might be. He's getting so heavily involved in this offense and they need him to be involved. You see, today, I mean, they would have lost that game if they didn't get Echler. Played it simple. They need this Ellen of their offense. They're three and two because they haven't been using Echler effectively. They got to get him involved. And if he's this involved every week as he should be, he is the RB1, more than likely, rest of season. Yeah. Jay, what do you think here? Is Austin Echler the RB1 rest of season? He's in the conversation. I think I would still go Saquon Barkley because of the offense that they're on. You could see games and we saw it early in the season when Austin Echler got kind of shed out of the offense because everything was going to Mike Williams to Gerald Everett, Keenan Allen when he was on the field. Saquon Barkley is the Giants offense. Volume is king. I think they're both uber talented. They're both guys that are in the conversation. If they stay healthy, I would not be surprised to see them finish as RB1 and RB2, but I would slightly lean Saquon and it's not because I'm a Giants fan. I like what I see now to Saquon Barkley just a little more this season. I think those are the two guys in the conversation. And Austin Echler, maybe you were disappointed the first couple weeks, but he's showing you why you drafted him there. He's showing you what he can do. Why, man? Don't overreact to the early season struggles of players. Well, and especially with the shortened preseason. Like I know that doesn't seem like a lot of you guys, but taking a game off that preseason and we're seeing more and more starters just not play at all. This first month of the NFL season is very preseason-esque. Yeah, it is. It is preseason-esque. We're seeing these teams figure out who they are, figured out, figure out their identity. And you know what? I think the Chargers are realizing Austin Echler is a huge part of their identity if they want to be a good team. Shout out Austin Echler. You know, some players don't don't like the whole fantasy football thing. Austin Echler is so involved in it and you know, chopping it up with the fans. He's got a show with Matt Harmon. You got to love it. So shout out Austin Echler. Yeah, man. He's a local Colorado guy. So I've got to love it. You got to love him. Further on the receiving side is the Mike Williams show. 13 targets, 10 reception, 134 yards. This is the kind of game player as talented as Mike Williams can have. Whether Keenan Allen is in or not, it certainly helps whenever he's not. It guarantees, I say guarantees. We've seen it not guarantee. It makes it a lot more likely that those targets go his way. Keenan Allen's coming back. You probably see fewer of these games whenever Allen's in there, but that doesn't mean they're going to go away. Mike Williams is a wildly talented wide receiver. Jay, are you moving them out of your starting lineup with Keenan Allen coming back? Absolutely. I love Mike Williams. I was very, very high on Mike Williams coming into the season. I honestly think that by the end of the season, even when Keenan Allen is on the field, I think Mike Williams is going to emerge as the wide receiver one for this team. I think they've got the chemistry between him and Justin Herbert. You love to see it when with Keenan Allen, not on the field, we talked about who was it that we were talking about, Boombust Gabe Davis. That's kind of the experience in the past you've had with Mike Williams. Well, when Keenan Allen's not on the field, you don't have to worry about that because he's seeing the volume. So could have some more Boombust days when Keenan Allen comes back, but I think it is a changing in the guard. And I think that Mike Williams by the end of the season is going to be on a point per game basis, a total points basis. I think he's going to be the wide receiver one on this offense. Albert and your same brands have a bad run defense. Both of these teams have a bad run defense to the Chargers and the Browns. And we saw that we're going to move over to the other side of the ball now. IBT media and you're saying Nick Chubb also in the number one RB1 overall Convo, he's getting it done. It's without the receiving work that a lot of these other players in the RB1 Convo are doing, but Nick Chubb says, I don't even need it. Seventeen carries 134 yards and two touchdowns on the ground. Dude is a monster. I never get tired of watching Nick Chubb. I mean, what are we going to add on there? Play him and get excited because he's very good and the Browns offense runs around him. We talk about players that are necessary for their team to win. Nick Chubb is so necessary in this offense. Also on the Brown side of the ball, I just want to, I want to give a shout out to Mr. Jacoby Rissette. This is a tough situation that he is in in this Cleveland offense. Being the starter, knowing that there's an end to it coming in week 11, there's been a lot of focus on this Cleveland team. He's just been seen as the, oh, until the Sean's back guy. Dude, he's playing out of his mind compared to what I expected from him, right? Like he's looking good and he's just giving it his all out there on the field. The one play, do you guys, did you guys see the play where it looked like he was for sure taking a sack on 39, 39. There's like four defenders swarming around him. The cameras were like, oh, and Jacoby Rissette goes down and all of a sudden it's like, wait, he's over there. He snuck out, got around, got the first down. Like that's an effort play right there and Jacoby Rissette did it. So shout out Jacoby. They've been in every single one of these games too. You know, they easily could have won this game. There was a, who was it with the Panthers or somebody that they, they blew a late, the Jets, right? It was with the Jets and they blew it later. So I mean, that's two games that could have won and they could be four and one right now. So yeah, you got to give it up for Jacoby Rissette. The one other player I wanted to highlight on this brown team was Amari Cooper. Amari Cooper, I think, looking back, this is a player I really missed on going into this season. I thought this team wasn't going to be throwing the ball very much. I was nervous about Jacoby Rissette, but Amari Cooper is doing Amari Cooper things, 12 targets, seven receptions, 76 yards and a touchdown. And this isn't the first time he's done something like that this season. Nate, how are you viewing Amari Cooper the rest of season? Wide receiver, two territory. What are you thinking about him? I think he's wide receiver, two could sneak into the back end of the wide receiver, one conversation. But that's going to depend on what we see out of Sean Watson when he comes back. We don't know what we're getting there. And that's my concern with a lot of this offense outside of Nick Chubb. DeSean Watson could be real rusty, so it's really hard to like a lot of these guys past week 11 because we're going in blind. And not just rusty, we don't know who his preferred targets are going to be, right? We don't know who's going to like throwing the ball to. Maybe him and Jarvis Landry have a connection. Maybe he likes taking more shots with DPJ. And we see Amari Cooper a little less in the long run. He's got a lot of this team just want to throw that out there. Oops, I said the wrong name over there. Just throwing that out there. I meant David Bell. My apologies right there. Maybe David Bell is his preferred target on this team. Jarvis Landry. Maybe maybe he brings Jarvis Landry back to the Browns and prefers to throw the ball to him. The world is your oyster. No, I agree with you on that one, Nate. The other player, David and Joku, six targets, sick receptions, 88 yards. If you drafted him late, congratulations. You have an every single week tight end starter. You don't have to play the streaming game anymore. Good job. You did it. You can stop playing that game, plug them in every single week. I think that's it on this game. Jay, you want to move on to the most exciting game of the week, the Texans versus the Jaguars. This game was just phenomenal on it. Before we do that, there's a couple of questions in there. You want to hit those before we jump into the game? Yeah, let's hit some of those hard pulling those up. Mike in here said, I got an idea. Me too. Oh, it's not the same idea. He said, how's this trade? Juju plus Jeff Wilson for Michael Pittman and Raheem Mostert. And then he said that when my partner inevitably asks for more, offered Drake London plus Jeff Wilson for Pittman plus Raheem Mostert. So, Jay, how are you feeling about this trade? Let's look at the final one. Drake London plus Jeff Wilson for Pittman plus Raheem Mostert. I like Drake London a lot. I don't think now is the time to trade him. I think you're going to be selling low because he's going to be involved in this offense. They're going to pass the ball more. Who knows if Marcus Mariota is going to be the starter for the season, the full season. I do think it's a good idea to try to get rid of Jeff Wilson because he does have a shelf life. Elijah Mitchell is expected back before the end of the season. Raheem Mostert, I like him a lot. He was somebody who I said you should pick up off the waiver wire last week. But I think value wise, it's pretty much a push between him and Jeff Wilson. And Michael Pittman, man, Matt Ryan has not looked good this season at all. He's looked washed. And I'm concerned why I do think Michael Pittman is going to have the volume. I think the play of Matt Ryan is going to hold him back from having that wide receiver one type season. So I think you're thinking the correct direction. But I would hold off. I think better days are ahead for Drake London. And I think you'll be able to get more for him versus Michael Pittman. Let's say one more in here. Super C wanted to know. Currently down 36 with Lamar Mixon, Jamar Chase and Waller left. Then their opponent has CEH Tay and McPherson. What do y'all think, Nate? You think this person's going to pull the W out or are they going to be looking at a loss at the end of this Monday night? You know, I think actually having Lamar, Mixon, Jamar and Darren Waller, I think you're going to be OK in this one. I think you might be able to pull it out. My only concern is Darren Waller. He's been so boom bust. I guess my other concern is Joe Mixon a little bit because he's been. Like historically inefficient. Yeah, I'm with you though, Nate. I think you got enough. You got enough star power going on on that left side that you're going to pull out the W there. You're going to pull out the W on that one. Back to the super exciting game, the Texans and the Jaguars. The Texans defeated the Jacksonville Jaguars 13-6. Honestly, we can go through this one pretty quickly. Davis Mills was Buns. He was a big sleeper for some people in super flex leagues. He's not look good. They're going to be replacing him. Yeah. Yeah, it's okay. Hey, I traded for him in a couple of places. You really, the receivers on this team, you're looking at brain and cooks hoping he catches a long touchdown and that's pretty much it. Dynasty Leagues. I do like Nico Collins. I think he's very talented. Somebody who you might be able to buy low on and reap the benefits when Davis Mills was replaced. But Damian Pierce continues with strong play. Shout out Joey, who was very, very high on Damian Pierce. I know he was smiling all day watching those highlights. 26 carries, 99 rushing yards, three catches, 14 yards. He's a volume based. I think he's a high end RB2 the rest of the season to be honest with you based on the volume that he's going to be getting in this offense. How do you guys disagree with that? No, I'm with you. Not at all. On the Jaguar side of the ball, Trevor Lawrence, not a great game. No touchdowns, two interceptions. The first one was really ugly. He was, they were in the red zone. He forced the ball. He should have just thrown away. The second one wasn't his fault. I mean, it was, but it was a hail marry at the end of the game. So, you know, it wasn't like it was too ugly place. Overall, it was an uneven game for him. I think he'll be fine. He's somebody who I'm perfectly fine having is my QB2 and Super Flex Leagues. The real story with this team and it has been all season is the running back. Travis Etienne had his best season of the game, excuse me, best game of the season. 10 carries, 71 yards, three catches for 43 yards. He really looked electric. He did only have 12.9 fantasy points. This was his first game with over 10 points on the season. James Robinson, who started the season really hot, scoring four touchdowns in his first three games, only had 27 yards on 10 carries. His second in a row disappointing game is back to back games of less than five points. Guys, what do we make of this backfield? Both guys at 10 carries coming into this game. Robinson had a slight edge in the snap count, 55% to 45%. How do you value these guys the rest of the season? I think you're, I think how you should look at this backfield going forward is a very hot hand-based backfield. Like, I don't even think it's necessarily going to be like your typical committee, right? I think we're going to see the hot hand approach. If Travis Etienne's killing it, having a good game, we're going to see more Travis Etienne. They've got two very talented running backs on this team. Like, that's a good problem to have, a bad problem for fantasy managers because I don't know how predictable it's going to be. I don't see Travis Etienne running away with it, but I also don't see James Robinson just like maintaining the massive carry advantage that he's had through the first four weeks of this season. Yeah, I'm with you, Simon. James Robinson, super cool story, but Etienne's Williams start to cut into Robinson's workload and it makes the most sense. Etienne's going to be their long-term guy not Doug Peterson's running back, but it appears Doug Peterson does like him. Dude, 10 carries for 71 yards, 7-foot-1 carry advantage, awesome. Yeah, I'm pretty much on board with what you guys are saying. I do still think it is going to be pretty much a split backfield, kind of in the realm of like a Damien Harris and Ramondri Stevenson. I think they're going to have that close split where whoever scores the touchdown that week is the guy that you're going to be happiest with. I think you're going to see James Robinson get some more of the high-value touches like in the red zone. You're going to see some more passing game work from Etienne, but overall, I think that you're going to pretty much have these guys both as back end running back twos and you're hoping for a touchdown. You're hoping for Etienne to break off a long touchdown as we're hoping for. That's what that dude can do. Absolutely. For the Jaguars pass catchers, Marvin Jones had 7 catches on 11 targets, 104 receiving yards. Evan Ingram had 6 catches on 10 targets with 69 nice yards. Nice. Any interest in either these guys off of the waiver wire? I mean, no, because Evan Ingram is on most of my teams already. So I don't even have to pick him up. If Evan Ingram is on the waiver wire and you're looking for a tight end, I'm assuming that means you're looking to pick him up. Yeah. I think he's one of those guys. He's near the top of the glob as far as players that you can start. Trevor Lawrence likes him. Tight end glob. The tight end glob. He's not fully mixed in there with the Tyler Conklin and the Irv Smiths. He's pulling away from the glob. It's stretching, but he's still attached to it. But I think, yeah, Evan Ingram's a good tight end waiver wire pickup. Yeah, I think so too. Our friend, friend of FanDuel, friend of FYF, Andrew Cooper earlier today, compared Evan Ingram to Kyle Pitts. Wow. I mean, I don't know if Evan Ingram should be complimented or insulted based on what we've seen before this year. It depends if you're looking at from a prospect perspective or a fantasy perspective. Because from fantasy, I mean, Kyle Pitts wishes he was Evan Ingram this year. Right, and I think that was kind of what he was saying was. So gross to say. It is, but here we are. Here we are. All right, guys, should we move on to the next game? This one was. No, let's hit it. So this one was interesting. We had the Bears in the Vikings today. The Bears. The Bears. The Bears. And it looked for a minute like the Bears were going to pull this game out. No, this is a team that's not very good. Justin Fields was 15 to 21 two in eight yards and a touchdown. But he was efficient in the running game. Eight carries for 47 yards. We're finally seeing that big touchdown run that should have counted, but a teammate had it called back. What was it a holding panel? No, it was an illegal block. I believe is what it was. And God, but you're right. Nate, we saw flashes from Justin Fields today in the rushing game, getting out of the pocket. Some of the passes he made were like, that's the dude that the Bears thought they were drafting. That's the player that we thought was coming into the NFL. Exactly. You didn't imagine if you had a better offensive line. I mean, his growth would be so much better if he had a better head coach. We can talk about all of that. Well, I've received those that aren't 55 years old, like Viles Jones Jr. Right. He caught a touchdown today. This is not the day to slander him. I said, I said it. I was wondering if he was the oldest player to ever have his first touchdown, you know, over 40. I mean, have we ever had a player do that before? No, I don't think so. He must be the first one. So something that was surprising in this game to me was the lack of usage with Cleal Herbert four carries for 11 yards. He didn't see a target in the passing game today. And we were all hyped hyped on Cleal Herbert coming into this week. Yeah, I saw somebody talking about it earlier in the chat. I was looking for the question asking if, yeah, is I think you missed the window to trade Cleal Herbert. I think right now you're better off just hanging on to him hoping that he gets more work done, gets more work in this backfield or, you know, not hoping for an injury, but hoping that there's an opportunity for Cleal Herbert to get more work. If David Montgomery were to go down again, you're better off just hanging on to him. Yeah, I agree. And I it's a bummer and we were really high on him. But if you can get what you can get for Cool Herbert at this point, unless David Montgomery got hurt and we don't know about it and he's not playing next week. It's time to move on. Now the real story here for me is looking at Justin Fields' distribution of targets. He spread it out today. And we had a call commit signing. Four catches. Two catches for Garnell Mooney. We had four catches for David Montgomery who matched Mooney's yard total. But then they continued a pepper in these guys that don't make any sense. Amir Smith-Marcette who Equinomia St. Brown we know who he is but he had two targets today. I mean for fantasy purposes you can't possibly be holding any of these guys at this point. I mean you could possibly be holding one of these guys on a bunch of your teams. Maybe one of them could take all of our names. Maybe someone here has Darnell Mooney on about 85% of rosters this season and is holding on for dear life hoping this offense gets it together. You guys see that one-handed catch? Like Mooney is so good. That's what it's all about. That's so hard about it. I'm back. Mooney is phenomenal. There's a lot of talent in this offense. Cole Comet is a good tight end and I don't care what Seth says I like Cole Comet. But this is just it's a bad team and it's not on Cole Comet. It's not on Darnell Mooney. It's not on Justin Fields. It's on Matt Everfluse in a system that makes absolutely no sense. Rant over. Let's move on to Minnesota. Kurt Cousins what did he complete his first like 17 passes today? It was insane and the announcers were having like an orgasm over. They were like, Oh, this is Kurt Cousins best start in his career. Oh my God. Like they were just like wouldn't shut up about it. I was like, I get it. He's everyone's caught all of his passes. But let's be clear here. This was against the Bears. This defense is crap. Okay. So good for Kurt Cousins. It doesn't excite me for him moving forward. I think he's more of the guy we've seen the last two weeks versus the guy we saw today get Chicago. But Dowling Cook looked good today. The Dowling Cook looked really good today. The understatement of the century Dowling Cook was good today. He should have had another touchdown. Like he should have had a third one. Well, and you know, it's promising because Alexander Madison hasn't looked phenomenal. So you worry that if Cook goes down and all the people that have if you've got Madison as a handcuff it's still not going to be a great option for you. But Cook looks healthy. He grabbed his shoulder at one point today and it made me really nervous. It's like, oh, no, not this again. He was back in. We also had Justin Jefferson back to Justin Jefferson, guys. 12 catches, 13 targets. He was hyper efficient. 154 yards. Outside of him, there wasn't anybody really that impactful as a pass catcher on this team this week. I was kind of happy to see KJ Osborne getting targets, but he's still not fantasy relevant. Do you guys think there's any shot at KJ Osborne getting some fantasy relevance this season or was that just kind of a pipe dream? Without injury, it's Justin Jefferson, it's Adam Thielen and it's Dalvin Cook as the guys that are in my lineup week in, week out. That being said, Irv Smith is a guy that I'm fine plugging in at tight end in a good matchup if you're in a pinch. But those are the guys and I'm not looking at KJ Osborne. I'm not Alexander Madison's on my bench. Like these other options are just not relevant to me for fantasy purposes. I like Osborne as a player but for fantasy he's nothing right now. I think we all got caught this trap of, oh it's Kevin O'Connell. He runs 11 personnel. He ran 11 personal 86% of plays last season in LA. Then you look at KJ Osborne. Oh, he's the Van Jefferson in this offense. We all love Van Jefferson so why not KJ Osborne? It's not looking like it's going to pan out guys. No. Also I see Marty in here seeing why my message is deleted. L-O-L-B-I worst channel C-L-Loser just kidding. We didn't delete your messages unless you were the spammer in here and you forgot to log into your other account in which case you did delete your spam messages Marty. But I see your question in there if you're still hanging around you decided you didn't hate us we'll answer it in a minute for you. Keep on going Nate. I don't think Jalen Rager snags that random flip touchdown. Why that had to happen I don't know. Just to piss off Eagles fans that's the only reason. That sounds about right. It's just trolling Eagles fans that every time they get Jalen Rager a touchdown. Let's be honest Eagles fans are always angry so. That's oh they hate me. They absolutely hate me and that's fine. I don't it's fine. I think that about wraps this one up guys. It's a weird experience this year where I like I mean I like the Eagles as a team. Right. Like I never had to have before like I just like they're so like a player. I love them. How do you like you can't not like Jalen Hurts like you got to love the relationship he has with AJ Brown like hey we still got Marty in here all right. Let's get to Marty's question. Yeah we suckered him in and now let's just give him bad advice on his question. Yeah exactly and now we're already in here because your attitude. He said just traded Stafford Monti and Juju for Herbert. So I'm guessing Justin Herbert I sure hope so in this one in which case if this is Galeel Herbert that's a rough trade over there Marty but Justin Herbert one quarterback league. I don't love it but I'm fine with it. Know what I mean you are getting a clear upgrade at quarterback with this Rams offensive line a massive upgrade at quarterback going from Stafford to Herbert. I'm generally not one to make these kinds of trades but I'm fine with it. Monti's the piece that's hard to swallow here giving up David Montgomery but if you've got the running back depth then and the quarterback was the last piece you were missing in your starting line up do this trade man. I don't mind it. What do you think Jay. I was ready to roast him but looking at this I'm fine with it. I love it. I like to move as long as you can you know you're not really hurting your roster depth you know these guys if Monty and Juju weren't every week starters for you they were more depth. Absolutely love it. I think I love Stafford but man I'm really concerned with this offensive line. You know he said he had the elbow issues. I'm concerned with Stafford's upside. I think Clio got me saying Clio Herbert Justin Herbert is in the the running for QB one on the season when it's all said and done so I love it. We've got another question here from blinded does I'm going to throw this one to you Nate. He said should I trade Najee for Breeze Hall straight up. I get Breeze would you be doing that. Yes. What a world. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I didn't see dude. I didn't see this coming but man Breeze Hall is just like a truck. I did. I was all over that man. God I love Breeze Hall. What's great what I love about it is that Breeze Hall is relevant and Michael Carter is relevant at the same time guys it can happen. You know like Michael Carter is a little a little bit of fool's gold but we'll get there. No he's. I don't know. I don't know if we will. But I'm right. We might not. I'm with you guys. It's Breeze Hall in this one. And yeah like I don't know. Whenever we looked at these two players preseason Breeze Hall Michael Carter. Breeze Hall I mean I know it was in college and not in the NFL but he looked like the better player in the run game. He looked like the better player in the receiving game. He looked like the better blocker like all aspects of the game he looked like the better player and then in week one when he wasn't out there except for those receptions it was like what's going on. Like why is Michael Carter getting the majority of the carries. I think we're seeing the changing of the guard. Michael Carter may still be relevant but I think Breeze Hall is going to be the lead back going forward. Let's let's hit this next game. We've got we've got the Lions we've got the Patriots. The Lions at the Patriots in this one and really let's start on the Lions side of the ball. Okay and then on the Patriots side of the ball Remandry Stevenson had 25 carries for 161 yards and zero touchdowns in this game. Damien Harris did go down with an injury like we said but Remandry Stevenson it became clear early he was going to be the lead back with Harris going down and he said watch this you can see what I can do when you give me 25 carries 161 yards on the ground today. Day let's assume Damien Harris is back next week. Okay like I don't want to put if Damien Harris is out this is an easy question. Start Remandry every week. Damien Harris is back. How does this backfield split split how does this backfield split. Damien Harris touchdowns in the three previous weeks Remandry Stevenson 167 yards rushing in today's game. Are we going to see this as a 50-50 backfield or is Stevenson taking control here. Dummy coming into this season I thought that it would be more of a closer to a 50-50 split. I think it's going to be more of a 55-45 60-40 towards Remandry Stevenson. I do still like Damien Harris I think especially where you're able to draft him. This offseason I think he provides value. Both of these guys are pretty much RB 2s. Damien Harris you know he doesn't get as much work in the passing game so that's why I would prefer Remandry Stevenson over him. But I like them both. I think he could do much worse especially on a team like this one with Mack Jones being out. We don't know when he's coming back. But even when Mack Jones is in this isn't you know a high flying offense. We saw especially once the weather gets cold Bill Belichick loves to run the ball. So I think they're both going to be fantasy relevant. I like both these guys as long as they're both healthy and on the field. But between the two I would have to lean towards Remandry Stevenson. Remandry Stevenson. Nate I wanted to ask you about the receiving option here. I think Jacobi Myers was a player that myself included. A lot of people kind of faded going into this year thinking he's not going to return on value. He's safe but he's boring. Where's the upside. Well here's the upside. Eight target seven receptions 111 yards and a touchdown. Is Jacobi Myers a weekly must start player or how are you viewing him going forward. He is. I thought it was going to be Devonte Parker after the trade. It's not Devonte Parker. It's Jacobi Myers. The dude's talented. He's finally getting touchdowns. What's not to love. He is the wide receiver one on this team. It's not even close. I don't think you can debate that he's the wide receiver one here. The only question Jay and I'll pitch this one to you is the wide receiver one on this Patriots team a weekly must start. No I like Jacobi Myers. I think he I agree with you guys. I think he has become the wide receiver one on this team. But he scored two touchdowns this season and Mac Jones wasn't on the field. So don't know how long Mac Jones is going to be out. We don't know what this offense is. You know we saw what was happening earlier in the season Devonte Parker was getting involved when Mac Jones was on the field. So while I do like Jacobi Myers a lot I'm definitely not ready to consider him a must start every week. Bailey Zappi is Mac Jones. They look out and they actually shout out Bailey Zappi Jordan Vanick. Have you seen those guys in the same room because honestly no that's a good point. It could be Jordan. I've never seen Bailey Zappi in any room if we're being honest I've only seen him on football. I'm not even in the picture. Have I seen him in a room. I don't even know that Zappi has ever been in a room Jay. So let's start there. I got to find proof of that first. Maybe he's just lived his whole life on the field. That's honestly like this game DeAndre Swift was out. The Lions offense got completely shut down. There's not much to talk about on the Lions side. There's going to be better days for this offense. They ever so dearly need to address this defense. Like this will not be a competitive team this year because of their defense. They just can't be. So next off. I was going to say hopefully we like this team will continue to be exciting probably we're going to have better games we're going to see more of what we saw through the first four weeks. They're not going to win a ton of games and hopefully they're able to address that defense during the offseason and we start getting that rebuild coming together next year for these Detroit Lions. And I just wanted to add to I'm in Ross St. Brown was on a snap count. He didn't play this entire game. So don't worry about him even there's better days ahead especially his battles as offenses. I'm in Ross St. Brown is going to have plenty of very good fantasy days ahead. What's with this dolphins Jets game the Jets absolutely destroying the dolphins in a statement win 40 to 17. Yeah the Finns never had a chance. Teddy Bridgewater went down. I left the game after the first snap but like I said with the head injury and elbow injury seventh round rookie Skyler Thompson did the best that he could but the Jets wound up routing him 40 to 17. Now I will say this game was a lot closer than the score shows. The Jets scored 21 quick points in the fourth quarter going into the third. It was still pretty close but Zach Wilson had a decent game through the air 210 yards did not throw a touchdown didn't throw an interception either but the name of the game for the Jets today was rushing the ball. Five count them one two three four five rushing touchdowns for the Jets two for Michael Carter one for Zach Wilson one for Braxton Berrios and one for my man crush Mr. Breeze Hall God this guy is so freaking good rushed 18 times 97 yards like I said he had a rushing touchdown two catches for 100 yards including a 79 yard touchdown excuse me almost a touchdown he was taking down the one I was actually on the phone with Simon when that play happened and I was screaming and screaming and then he got taken down at the one and I was really disappointed. Simon I hope you can hear I'm sorry about screaming in your ear is just a really exciting play. While Michael Carter that's my kink is you screaming plays in my ear while my red zones one minute behind so I know it's about to happen that's what I yeah that's what gets me turned on I had to leave that afterwards and you just hung up the phone you teased me a little I'm watching that play and I'm like I already know what's going to happen that like you like it. Michael Carter did alter two touchdowns Breeze Hall showed why many people were high on coming into the season scored double digit points in every single game this season. I've been pounding the table for him you know before the season saying he's a buy low because people were higher on Michael Carter at the start of the season. But it's it's too late the guys broken out currently running back three on the day when I wrote these notes I don't know if that is still the case but on a points per game basis he is RB 10 is Breeze Hall RB one for the rest of the season. Yeah I think I know you were mentioned to Michael Carter a little bit earlier do you think Michael Carter still eats in enough not to have Breeze be an RB one like will he stay involved. He's going to stay involved but no I don't think he affects Carter I don't think it affects Hall enough because look Zach Wilson you you you can't air the ball out with Zach Wilson he's not reliable enough from quarterback at this point he's not accurate enough he doesn't make good enough decisions. So you're going to need Breeze Hall Michael Carter to run the ball a lot and be out on short routes to bail Zach Wilson out I think they're both relevant I think Breeze Hall's an RB one I think that's no question rest of season RB 10 to 12 is probably where he lands but Michael Carter is probably a back end RB two somewhere around that 22 to 24 range by the end of the season as well. Yeah I think that's fair I'd rather him more of a flex play versus having to depend on him as an RB two but I agree especially if he gets these um oof I still got to go with this I love love Ken Walker but give me Breeze. This scamper is asking Ken Walker a Breeze rest of season where do you land Nate? Breeze Ed's Breeze for me as well but that's not an anti Ken Walker take that's a pro Breeze take. Exactly 100% and that's pretty much uh all I really had to add for this game you know there was there's going to be better days ahead for the Jets past catchers they just they ran the ball so well um you know there was a I still like Elijah Moore I think he's a by low because he started the season off not that great Garrett Wilson I think he's going to have as good days in as bad I know Corey Davis was you know had a good game was it last week I'm not really like like Nate said I like Zach Wilson a little more than the Nate does but he's not going to you know they're not going to throw the ball 50 something time like they did with elite Joe Flacco under center um so you know it's really going to be those two guys and that's pretty much I just love that we got a Joe Flacco portion of this season like I'm glad it wasn't a full season of Flacco but I love that we had like four weeks of Flacco and that it was great that we got to love it for a minute there I think we got time to hit one more game here and this one was a bit of a doozy this Saint Seahawks game a lot more exciting than I thought it was going to be and um this one it just hurts my feelings a little bit Nate I'll let you take it away but this one just how the Saint scored that many points makes me sad as a fantasy player well you know what let's start there we're going to start with tight end Taysum Hill stealing the show today with a normal tight end workload of nine carries for 112 yards and three touchdowns and what tight ends do you know stop it stop like like just why why do they do this with Taysum Hill just randomly why why do they decide all of a sudden like you know what we're going to march down the field and then Taysum Hill is the guy that's going to run it right and then it's absurd like you put the New Orleans Saints on the field you put Taysum Hill in the game it is a 100 percent chance I say 100 he threw a touchdown pass as well but the first three times in the game you put him in there they know he's going to run the ball they know he's going to run the ball they know Taysum Hill is going to run the ball and then he still breaks off 30 out 30 yard touchdown runs like either this Seattle Seahawks defense is so pathetic that the New Orleans Saints coaching staff could go over on the sideline and tell them hey just so you know Taysum Hill is going to run the ball right up the freaking middle on this next play and there's nothing you can do about it or Taysum Hill is a God like one of those two things is true so I don't know which one it is I don't know how you feel about the Seahawks defense but like Taysum Hill is either literally on God status or the Seattle Seahawks defense is beyond incompetent at stopping the run I think it's a little bit of both Seattle's not good look Seattle's not good at stopping the run we know this but Taysum Hill he's an elite athlete and we might not love it Simon I know you don't love it and I know you don't want to hear it but Taysum Hill is going to be relevant for the rest of this season he's going to score he's probably going to score almost every week if they keep using him like this he's a freight train you can't stop him and part of the problem is they could hand him the ball and he could throw it so you have to plan for that you don't know what Taysum Hill is going to do and I feel like a lot of these plays are like option type plays he could have thrown the ball saw a hole ran it in boom touchdown done like I said typical tight end usage guys if I was if I was opposing teams I would dare Taysum Hill to throw it every single time you know what I mean just if he's in the game do not allow him to run that ball leave players open know what I mean stack the box get Taysum Hill pressured so he is not running this ball allow him to throw it each and every time he's in the game because it's not going to go as well as it did this time if Taysum Hill is chucking that ball every time he's in okay we need to get off a Taysum Hill here before Simon has an aneurysm it's just like what it's just it's just so frustrating I get it it is frustrating you need to face the feelings that Taysum Hill makes you sure you do need to and what's frustrating is how awesome he is because it is fun to watch you know what I mean like it is so much fun to watch him but it it's like okay but this helps me zero like this hurts every single thing I stand for yeah okay I won't say any more words about him Andy Dalton was the pale squirt gun the same quarterback he's always been 6'24", 287 yards that was I stole that one I stole that from Colin Coward just so we're clear here Galvin Camarra had a nice game 23 carries 103 yards he had another six catches for 191 yards that's probably has to be the most upset about Taysum Hill is the Alvin Camarra managers that yes he had an awesome game but he could have had one of those monster games that when you a week by himself if Taysum Hill didn't steal the rushing touchdowns so you know you really got to be disappointed yep and then we saw Chris Olavi get hurt big bummer hopefully he comes back I don't believe it would end up being concussion they yanked him out he had a nice touchdown Olavi continues to impress me he is just is he the best wide receiver in this class is he going to prove to be from fancy perspective probably the best receiver in this class I know Drake London's phenomenal too but I think Olavi is kind of a guy you have to start every week yeah match up or not yeah especially ways being targeted the way he plays like he just looks good too he passes the eye test and it's the high effort catches that kind of like sell it for me especially with rookies you know what I mean like if I see rookies laying out going for these balls that aren't just like clear passes like Olavi goes for it 100% of the time I'm I'm sold I like to do that was a little bit lower on him than I should have been as a rookie but he's he's in my lineup every weekend in dynasty leagues I love the dude and what I really like about Olavi too is he's done it and I said this last week he's done it in pretty much every situation imaginable he's done it with Michael Thomas on the field he's done it with Michael Thomas off the field done it with James Winston under center he's done it with Andy Dalton under center so you can't say oh well you know he's doing it because Michael Thomas is taking the coverage or he's only getting the volume you know he's doing in every situation he's proving that he belongs on the field and they even the nail on the head this dude's a must start yeah so let's move to the other side of the ball and we'll go through this really quickly but I was shocked that Gino Smith's performance today I thought that this secondary was going to eat him alive and it did not 16 to 25 for 268 yards and three tuddies no picks Kenneth Walker emerged shout out Rashad Penny that injury sucks man he was really getting rolling but it's Kenneth Walker season in Seattle now and I think it's gonna be pretty fun to watch the guy's a very talented runner Tyler Lockett DK Metcalf every bit of fad you have everything's top labor priority even if you have running backs blow it all on Kenneth Walker go go get him he's could be a potential league winner too late already did too yeah he's rostered in every league I'm in then we had Tyler Lockett had a nice day five catches 104 two touchdowns and then DK Metcalf five catches 88 yards a touchdown they were up against James Bradbury Marcus Lattimore and they both played really well you guys do we have to take Gino Smith seriously fantasy football from here on out yes yes I think Gino Smith's the guy that you can plug in he's playing well in the Seattle offense and the Seattle defense is terrible it is bad so they're gonna be not sparkly terrible that was well played pretty good right it's as soon as I moved to San Antonio it's like Charles Barkley just talked about San Antonio women so much that like if you live here you can channel a little bit of Barkley just because of the like anger that he sends towards San Antonio but yeah this often this defense is so bad but Gino Smith is gonna have to play like this and he can do it like he's shown us multiple times out there out to show that he can do it yeah you can start Gino Smith weekly and look at the wide receivers he has you know there was talk about sorry Nate I know you're Denver fan but talking about how Russell Wilson finally has good receiver as well Tyler Lock and DK Metcalf are having phenomenal seasons with Gino Smith under center you know he's got I like DK Metcalf a little more just because they seem to have a connection but Tyler Lock it made had two does what Tyler Lock it does he had two big play touchdowns yeah I think you can start him very comfortably as your QB2 and super flex well I think this is for me this is a test week because this New Orleans defense has been very good from a fantasy perspective there's some of the lowest at fantasy points allowed to pretty much every position the fact that he was able to go out and do this this week I think that I think that seals it for me absolutely yeah well I don't think there's anything else to talk about this game so I was going to say and I know Sunday night football has already kicked off we're going to go watch that I know some of you guys are already watching that game as well Ravens Bangles thank you everyone who hung out with us today breaking down this week five fantasy slate and Nate thank you so much my man for taking the time to come on and talk some football with us this Sunday night thanks for having me guys check me out on in between media and at Nate Paul but on Twitter and thanks for having me and enjoy your Sunday night football games guys truly Nate's not kidding make sure you go check him out and check out the whole team over there at IVT great pushing out awesome stuff constantly that's going to be it for us tonight JL look for him on TV at the Ravens game he's going to be the one wearing a t-ara so if you see a guy wearing a t-ara it's JL until tomorrow morning though we're out of here we'll see you guys later adios everyone