 Okay, good Recording is on Welcome. Good morning everyone to the course BC 214 developing the human spirit and We're going to get into our lesson today. Just want to request somebody to please Pray with a class and we will get started could somebody Pray with all of us, please and we'll start I'll price Let's pray holy father. We thank you again this morning blood. We thank you for this opportunity lot to To have this union lot to learn about our human spirit to how it can be developed lots to so that we can function to into to the fullness of what you've designed as to To become and to live We pray for that the Holy Spirit to be with us will prepare heart Also prepare and use past as she's in the best way that you can look In your mind, we pray all this in the mind name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen All right, thank you Maggie and good morning everybody. Thank you for connecting to the class so last week we focused on Practical ways by which We can develop the human spirit how we can strengthen Our spirit just as we develop our mind and our body In the scriptures God has given to us ways or instructions on what we should be doing For our human spirit. I'm just gonna quickly review that and then we're going to go into the next chapter which is For us to look at how the human spirit affects The soul and the body the condition of the human spirit How that affects our soul, which is the emotional part of us the mind the will the emotions and How it affects also the body the physical part of us is very interesting that we see the connection Between all of this because that will actually motivate us To work on developing a strong inner person When we realize that our understanding from the scriptures that you know if our spirit is doing well It's gonna help us do well In our soul and also in our physical body because there's a strong connection We will see that today. That's the goal now of the class lecture today. And then we will close off. Hopefully by just Giving a few insights on you know how the human spirit is affected By words we speak and Something else that God reveals to us considered human spirit So that show us how to take care of Spirit so let me go ahead please and share the PDF and Let's quickly review So we have seen I'm just quickly reading this is Chapter lesson number two where we said we have primarily spirit beings. We went through this and this is Lesson number three, which we did last week Where we looked at seven ways to develop the born again human spirit Fellowship with God through worship prayer and the word having times of quietness and communion Feeding on God's word through meditation the confession of the confession of the word of God praying in tongues Exercising our spiritual faculties Offered greatest love them is all of the exercise of our spiritual factories, of course must be done in love and Also receiving spiritually through other people. So we went through this last week today what I want us to cover is to see from scripture how The condition of our spirit affects the soul our mind will in emotions and the body and Therefore, you know, like we said earlier it also in its some way if it is what people call of a person or personality The condition of spirit as it is expressed through our soul and body people see or here's a person of the quiet spirit Here's a person with very confidence. He's very confident person. He is a person who's very courageous Yes, you know and so on they see the expressions of the personality but is actually coming out of the condition of the human spirit and So what we are going to learn is of course for our own personal benefit But also we can use it to help other people Because when we help them develop their born again human spirit, you know, then we can help them Overcome Challenges that they would face in their soul and in their body Really, so a week, you know by helping believers strengthen themselves in their spirit. We're actually helping them overcome Things that they would face in their emotional life and even in their physical body And also through various challenges and adversities that they may face in life so What I want to just go through is and I've tried and I've put this in an alphabetical order And it's not, you know, it's just for convenience. There is no particular importance in this But I've just looked through the Bible and Where the Bible is talking about different Conditions different expressions Different experiences of the spirit and then in many of these verses You also see a connection of how it is being expressed through the soul or through the body Or through what happens through in the physical So I just want to quickly go through it and you can definitely take time later on to, you know Study any of these things that any of these expressions or conditions that might be of interest to you So we read and I'm just gonna go through this fast because the list is quite long and I hope to finish this lesson today so There is, you know, what talks about what we see in scripture the anguish Of the spirit and this is an exodus that the people of our under hard bondage labor. So the spirit was really crushed see and Job going through his, you know difficulties in life He expresses that you know, he says, I'm the anguish of my spirit and and bitterness of my soul So that's the condition of his inner person and his soul is greatly distressed You can also see as Job is going through all of this that You know, he's talking about turning his spirit against God That means he's this is really, you know, how hard that is angry with God and therefore, you know That's being expressed by the words he speaks Then just generally being angry in your spirit. So That means your spirit is in that place where you're upset angry and then that is expressed through, you know, what we say and do You can also feel bound in your spirit and interestingly This we will see this later and again, we'll see this again another chapter where Paul says I feel bound in my spirit or restrained or constrained that means I don't feel free about what I'm doing, you know I'm feeling uncomfortable In my spirit and this actually was this feeling was actually put in there by the Holy Spirit as we will see But in this chapter we just focusing on, you know, what does he feeling in the spirit? He feels bound, restrained, constrained and uneasy in his spirit Then we see a number of scriptures that talk about a broken and a contrite spirit, you know, my spirit is broken But you notice that When the spirit is broken There is a whole sense of despair In this case example I'm not saying it's always that way, but you can see the connection here So it says my spirit is broken and then he says, you know, I'm ready to die. I'm ready to give up So really, you know, if and you can think about this, especially people who are sick if they give up Then in their spirit Then, you know, they're just going to go down very quickly physically Towards death. So as long as we can keep the spirit up in faith It's going to help them fight over whatever they're going through There are other expressions of being broken The bible talks about a broken heart, a contrite spirit and the Lord is near to them So this is more of a sense of brokenness in terms of being dependent on God Independence and God, you know, it's it's not about me I don't have you know, it's not about my abilities, but God I come to you completely dependent. So that in that sense broken But there's another sense also of how You know a broken spirit Can become Can rob a person of Cheerfulness and you know, therefore keep them in a place of sorrow or despair Or what we would sometimes even say is depression, you know, you see this and problems the contrast between a merry heart That results in a very cheerful countenance versus sorrow That's coming out of a broken spirit And then that merry heart does good like medicine. I mean, it's really good for the body But a broken spirit dries up the bones. It actually affects the physical body You know drying up the bones is terrible. You know, it's the bone marrow is the place where all the red blood cells are You know, uh continuously produced for the body and so it's like, you know, it's it's just going down into a place of death I notice from 18 says The spirit of man will sustain him in sickness So, you know, it's kind of expect to what Job himself was experiencing But a broken spirit in the sense of a wounded spirit, you know, uh, we're not talking about Broken as in what we saw in Psalms, which is about dependence on God. Here we're talking about somebody's wound that is hurt crushed you know, then That means he's given he doesn't have anything to sustain him through his sickness his difficulty So we're seeing the connection here very clearly between the condition of the heart to the demeanor of the person To the health physical health of the person You know and then being able to be sustained through difficulty Right, so we look at it. If you look at it in a positive sense You know, if we can maintain the joy in our heart the strength in our heart we can You know go through Challenges and it's going to do good like medicine We also read about the spirit of heaviness and now this Often, you know in modern expressions, we would say spirit of depression And of course it weighs in on the spirit of the person Causing them to be burdened to feel heavy to feel, you know Under pressure, you know, like something heavy on them And that's what's called the spirit of heaviness. So that is pushing them down But then God brings relief by the anointing and causing them because the people to have the garment of praise So we could have, you know, a spirit that's weighed it down burdened crushed Under heaviness or we would say depressed We also see uh Being of a calm spirit that means it's a being agitated angered your spirit can stay calm And that expresses itself through, um, you know Using words in a very knowledgeable way and understanding way you in an innovative judicious way Because you're of a calm spirit Your spirit can be compelled That means there's a sense of Urgence say that something, you know, you want to express That, you know, you could feel Urged on the inside of you And you know that also is can also come from the holy spirit in your spirit urging you to say Do certain things You can be uh, Caleb was called to be of a different spirit. That means, you know, you don't have to be Part of the pack You can Be different. You can be daring. You don't have to give in to the peer pressure or so on so forth and Caleb is an example That where he would God says, you know, he was of a different spirit um We can have a heart a spirit that is hungry and thirsting seeking after God So, um, he has he was talking about, you know, seeking God with his spirit a spirit that is longing desiring and seeking after God We also see that there can be error Uh in our spirit. That means the spirit can be caught up in error um in our knowing or understanding our perception so on so forth We can err in spirit But then of course God can bring us into a place of understanding and learning correctly Coming into a place where we are corrected We see as in Daniel's case He was a man of an excellent spirit We see that mentioned to us Twice here in Daniel He was of an excellent spirit and then if you look up over that word excellent means It's talking about being outstanding. It's being very special. It's being something surpassing Than the others. So that's coming from from his inner person, you know He was a man of excellent spirit something that just made him stand out Now become, you know surpassing all the others around him And that comes through of course in how people perceive or see this person Faithfulness or unfaithfulness again can be seen something that's born in the spirit We can be Faithful to God Faithful to other people keeping secrets Being faithful to in marriage Malachi 2 talks about dealing treacherously or unfaithfully With with a spouse so God says take heed to your spirit That you do not deal treacherously or unfaithfully So you see that even the the posture of being faithful Either to God two friends or in a covenant marriage covenant relationship Is something comes out of the spirit, you know, and if the spirit is shaken And gives place to all You know, whatever causes unfaithfulness then we could even depart from God or depart from human relationships Or from covenant relationship So see that We can be fervent In spirit that means very passionate very jealous, you know burning with zeal We see that here. So passion and zeal and you know Being fervent is something that comes out of the spirit. It's not just an emotional thing, you know An emotional thing can be like, yeah, I'm so excited. I Enjoyed the thing but to be consistently fervent consistently red hot on fire Well, where does that come from? It comes from your spirit. It's a posture of the human spirit Uh, we also see that the human spirit you can you can grieve in your spirit. That means there's something that causes you to To grave to feel sorrowful in the spirit, um, which you know can often lead to Lead to positive Responses as in Uh Being moved to seek God because you're grieved about something you're you're you're you're you're Let's say you're upset about something but you are Moved in a very positive way Right. So we also find that Jesus was He sighed deeply in his spirit or when he came to the grave of Lazarus he groaned in his spirit. So there's this kneeling of grieving or sorrow or sighing or groaning in your spirit But it is moving you in a very positive way to do something either to seek God and prayer like Hannah did or Daniel did or Jesus when he was before Lazarus to him, you know, he he moved he said or did things that That that gave expression to what he felt now in his spirit Now of course the heart can be hardened the spirit can be hardened And we see that also that means it's almost like becoming calloused and unfeeling toward God or toward the things of God and and You see here that often it's pride or some some other form of sin that Causes a heart to be hardened towards God Sometimes people can be hardened because of pride Sometimes they can be hardened because of a lust for other things That says, you know, I don't want anything to with God because I want to have my own way and You know, the heart can be very calloused towards God indifferent and stubborn against God In a positive way the spirit can be you can have a humble meek spirit You're walking with meekness before God or the opposite of that would be a hotty spirit So hotteness or humility is also an expression of the spirit at What what somebody has it carries in their spirit that attitude in the spirit the posture of the human spirit And so you find that many many times in scripture humble spirit And and in God, you know, God looks for that. He's drawn to somebody who is of a humble contrite poor In spirit. So when you talk about being poor in spirit it's really talking about somebody who Is in that place of humility before God saying what I have nothing I possess nothing But in you I find everything So that place of humility Are being poor in spirit We also see You know being hasty in spirit. So, you know The spirit is moved into hasty action Impatience as opposed to being patient We as we will see in the next yeah, I think the next chapter when we talk about it to our next week The Holy Spirit moving upon us Can cause different feelings In our spirit and here's just one example where When the Holy Spirit is moving upon Ezekiel He was so Moved in his spirit He talks about and he puts it in these words. He says I went in bitterness In the heat of my spirit. So Now it's like, you know, what exactly is that bitterness and the heat of my spirit and We could just say that he must have been so Stirred or agitated about the condition of the people in the land because you know they Cover telling him look Ezekiel. I made you a watchman And I want you to speak my words now these people they may not even hear you They may not you know pay attention to what you're saying. So When Ezekiel is receiving that kind of a commission He is You know, he he feels the stuff. He feels stirred And so he's using these words bitterness heat And as the Lord is moving on him and giving him his commission and the Holy Spirit is moving on it We could also receive inspiration in the spirit We see here There's a spirit in man the breath of the Almighty so you can feel the breath of the Almighty In your spirit or in other words, it's inspiration of God in your spirit Or he gives wisdom In the hidden part that's in your spirit. He imparts wisdom You could also make diligent search In your spirit, that means your spirit is Investigating it's searching God I I I need to understand I want to know What is the secret? What is the meaning? Is you're you're making diligent search in your spirit And and the psalm is saying you know even at night. He's meditating is pondering Why because the spirit is searching out something And that that is going after so you can have a spirit and you can have that happening in your spirit um Your spirit can feel overwhelmed Over and just saying god, this is just too much for me and and and and uh That can you know, of course cause us to go to god Uh, and sometimes this or being feeling of overwhelmed is just because of all the things that are happening around us People setting a snare for us can be overwhelmed because of the situations we are going through And uh, it may feel us Make us feel distressed So when you're feeling overwhelmed, it's we're talking about just feeling faint feeble right and In some some he says my spirit fails within me. It's like I want to give up feeling weak inside me Sometimes we can feel that way And that's when we need to encourage ourselves or strengthen ourselves In god when we feel overwhelmed or weak or faint Because of what we're going through just like how the psalmist is expressing We can be patient in spirit. You know, that means you're being tenacious Enduring not willing to give up You're holding on You can perceive in your spirit. We will talk more about this when we talk about the The functions of the spirit you can perceive when your spirit is able to see things Your spirit can be Where there is purity clear clear spirit Your spirit can be revived It can be refreshed And Yeah So that can happen you can spirit can feel that you know, so we go to you know A charge service or a fellowship meeting And you're refreshed, you know Either through the word through the fellowship to the worship just others being around you So that can also happen You can have joy in your spirit joy in god because you can rejoice in your spirit Your spirit can be and this is something very important. We need to be aware of your spirit Can be the ruling factor that the Governing factor in you as a person, right? If so, it's contrasting here in problem 16, you know, a man who was angry he he He loses control But if you can rule your spirit or your spirit rules your person, you know, you're better than somebody who can rule over a city See that repeat in props 2528 You can have a steadfast spirit for resolution spirit Your spirit can be provoked or stirred up And we see that even the lord stirs up People in their spirit. So sometimes if you feel very, you know stirred up It's the lord that it could be the lord Stirring you up in you to do something in terms. That's how the lord leads us. You see You feel stirred about something and you go and do it And or you could you know, the here we see it's Paul the spirit he felt provoked in a spirit Uh, it's comparable to the lord stirring up king cyrus or zero bubble, you know There's something he's like an agitation inside you, but it's a good agitation. Not a bad one But the lord is agitating stirring you up. Say, hey, you need to do this Is basically moving you into action about something We can be strengthened in our spirit And that's our goal. We can become strong in our spirit and you know, strengthened With my true spirit in the inner man. So that that's part so we we oh, sorry There's not a construction upstairs They're doing construction upstairs. I'm just going to move to another place Uh, because uh, you can't hear me with the noise rates. It's you can do you hear the noise being picked up in the make? It's clear buster. We don't hear the are you hearing the noise now? No, no, no, no, no, no, no You're not hearing the noise So far it has been clear buster Oh Okay, great. Great. I mean, are you hearing any noise right now? No noise. Okay, then I will continue speaking Now I thought you could hear the noise. So this is a good setup Some people are doing renovation work nearby. So I thought you It was disturbing you. Okay, so I'm just going to continue and I see some questions in the chat. So I will um Come back and answer those questions, but let me just continue but I'll just finish the content and then I'll maybe another 10 minutes and come back to it So let me go back to sharing the pdf You all with me so far Yes, buster. Okay. Okay, great All right, so I just have a little bit more and then I'll I'll finish this lesson and then I'll take up questions So we can see Uh in scripture here that we can become strong in spirit Uh, so that's what we want to do right in the other lesson we spoke about In the earlier lesson lesson number three We spoke on how to make our spirit strong so And we see you know in the case of jesus and in the case of john The baptist And in the case of the believer in Ephesians 3 16. Oh, just become strong become strengthened in your spirit Uh, the spirit can be disturbed Because of various things in this case, you know Uh the It was interesting pharaoh Nebuchadnezzar, uh, you know, they had dreams They couldn't figure out what was going on And he says my spirit is disturbed my spirit is anxious the spirit is troubled Um, uh, even the lord jesus was troubled You know when he when he knew that somebody was going to betray him And uh, paul also says, you know, I had no rest in my spirit Uh when he was concerned about the people um in uh in I think at at current so We see that, you know, this can also be there in our spirit our spirit within us can be troubled Disturbed about certain things and of course, you know, if that's happening then It shows up in, you know, the rest of our emotions and actions We are disturbed in our spirit Uh because of certain external things Now, you know, god can also Make us willing in our spirit So, uh, like we said earlier Uh You know, god can move in our hearts here We see that People's heart was stirred. This is something similar was to what we have seen The effect of their heart being stirred was The spirit became willing to do what to offer to make offerings to bring, you know, things to god And uh, this is beautiful a beautiful example, you know, where God wanted moses to, you know, get things together to build a tabernacle But moses didn't have to go out there and force the people He didn't have to, you know, try to, uh, you know Course them to give What happened is bowed stirred their hearts And the people they became willing in the spirit And they brought things and that's just a beautiful thing beautiful thing to see and, you know, as You know, when the lord leads us to do things, that's how it should happen But on the other hand Here's another example in Matthew 26 where the spirit was willing But somehow in this particular case of the disciples of Jesus The weakness of the flesh Overpowered the willingness of the spirit. So that means the spirit was not strong enough Even though the spirit was willing to Was willing to pray It wasn't strong enough at that moment The flesh was weak. Now, I don't know, you know, whether the weakness of the flesh was just their tiredness or They're, you know, being unwilling to pray But yeah, what actually happened was Jesus was able to pray where his disciples Failed to watch with him and that time when he really needed them most So what we have done here is we've kind of, you know, we just listed in In an alphabetical order Various conditions of the human spirit, you know, and you can go through this List again and just wonder about it Think about it and say, you know, hey We can feel all this We can experience all this And the human spirit can be in all of these different Conditions that we have seen listed in scripture And therefore it's going to affect the soul And it's going to affect the body The actions and so on so forth Just a few more thoughts before I close off this lesson So our goal is That to maintain a strong healthy wholesome human spirit and I want to I want to challenge each of us to do that You know, because like we saw there that the human spirit can have many different dispositions The human spirit can be in different conditions But if we are careful To make sure that our human spirit is strong healthy wholesome By doing the right things now we talk about the seven practices. So If we do that intentionally take care of our human spirit just as we take our mind in our body Then over time Even though our outward man is perishing that was yeah, we all grow old You know over time The outward man is growing older But the inner man is being renewed You know, the inward man is being kept in good shape Or being strong Even though the physical body of course is We're in turn growing old So our goal is to keep the inward man renewed. I keep the inward man in a good strong wholesome healthy shape so that Through the through time, even though outward man perishes the inward man is kept strong And we can serve God well until the end of our days um a very important thing I want to just Place before us here To understand the how the words words affect the human spirit, you know uh A wholesome tongue is a tree of life But cross 15 four says but perverseness and it breaks the spirit. So can you think about it? uh A healthy tongue A wholesome tongue that means Your words your words A wholesome tongue is a tree of life. Can you speak wholesome words? It is a tree of life Our tree of life is you know, as we see in scripture revelation 22 It is what brings healing and longevity or eternal life, you know So if you speak wholesome words It is a tree of life for you and for others, of course Because your words affect you your words also affect others But Perverseness in it that means if It's not straight. You're not speaking wholesome words What can it do? It can break the spirit. So think about it My words my tongue My words can be a tree of life to me and to other people Or my words can break the spirit. You can break my own spirit Or that means it can crush and hurt And it can crush and hurt other people So words Are very crucial now. We have also seen in all of these scriptures circumstances situations Can crush the spirit can overwhelm the spirit we've seen that i'm not i'm not you know forgetting that But i'm just highlighting how important words are For our own self and when we speak to other people You know, and so if we'd make a deliberate choice To keep our words wholesome It's going to be a tree of life for us and it's going to be a tree of life a tree of life To other people who hear what we say. Okay, keep that in mind Lastly, I think it's very interesting to see this. I wish we had time more time If you think about this you look into the scripture And you look at how the scripture compares the human spirit analogies Uh and these analogies are you know, god is trying to tell us look your spirit is like this or do take care of it We will find that You know the spirit is compared to a house a lamp It's a place of deposit It's a spring. It's a womb It's a ground. It's tables with things can be written on You know by the spirit and so on and um, I think we just you know We will look at this again next week I don't want to rush through this But it's really interesting that god is saying your human spirit is like a house And in fact if you look at these verses It's telling us that wrong things want to come and inhabit this house, but we have to guard the house It's like a lamp god uses god uses the spirit It's a place of deposit. What do you put in the deposit will eventually come out It's a spring. I mean this is from where this is the place from which Everything that affects your life comes out of It's a womb. It's a place from where you give birth It's a ground. So it's a place where you sow and reap It's a place where you can write things on And it will be returned for eternity. I mean for the rest of your life So it's good to think about this and and you know because then it tells it shows us how important the human spirit is And therefore how it's going to influence Our human experience. So we will pick up on this next week I want to keep the last few minutes to answer questions. So we will just pause here. Let me look at the chat And uh, uh, let me let me just try to answer the questions Um Okay, so the first question I see here is some three command Can the spirit of heaviness be demon the answer is yes so The actual spirit causing heaviness or causing depression. That's demon. So we call it a spirit of depression But uh, what we also or what I was trying to emphasize on my z61 was That that heaviness can come upon our human spirit Right, uh, we feel heavy So I'm not saying that that evil spirits is is has come into our our spirit. No But the human spirit feels weighed down You know feels depressed And uh So that's the Disposition or the feeling or the condition of the human spirit But to answer your question. Yes, there is a spirit a demonic spirit Of heaviness that can cause heaviness Okay, so usually when we're dealing with people And I'm not saying all depressions are because of spirit of heaviness But in many cases when we're dealing with depression We deal with the spirit of heaviness as the spirit of depression Okay Next question is from bet Several times in the bible it says God hardened his heart like pharaoh king salt king. So how does that work with freedom of choice? Uh, often it says something like I will harden this heart so that he will not or will not do something against God's people. Yeah, so that's an interesting thing to consider and I think the apostle paul addresses that in roman's chapter Let me see it's nine ten or Roman's chapter nine uh Yeah Yeah, so paul the apostle addresses this uh in roman's chapter nine and uh That's about yeah Yeah, so he talks about he talks about Uh, he mentions pharaoh also in roman's nine Uh in in in addressing this so And here's my understanding of this, right? Uh that when you think about when you think of think of all of these people I mean god says I will harden their hearts Uh, it is not It has to be understood consistent with the rest of scripture. So any interpretation of The specific has to be done taking into account The whole general and uh, uh, revelation of scripture that means when I want to interpret what god did with pharaoh or with king salt or you know with jacob and he saw or any any other any other situation It has to be interpreted in the light of the rest of scripture so In the light in the light of the entirety of scripture and There is human will And god never controls human will he can influence like we saw he can stir up he can you know, uh move he can Uh make you know cause to make willing in that sense by stirring up or moving or so on influencing and you know, you know inspiring in a positive way But the end result is that Sorry, the the individual is still in a place where they can choose to obey or choose to disobey God will inspire god will move god will stir up God will you know try to urge Uh, but the individual has to make that choice. So same thing Uh, when it comes to hard and it comes to the case of hardening. It's not that Uh, the individual does not have a choice Pharaoh chose to harden his heart as he saw god work And so that's the correct way to understand it. That's how I would see it or I would explain it that the hardening of heart the position of coming saying I'm going to be against god Is the individual's choice That is not imposed by god So for example Because and and this is very important. So for example, you know, think about judas the person in the bible god foretold or for near The judas was going to betray jesus But can judas stand before god and say god? You made me betray jesus so that the world could be saved So I deserve the best place in heaven Because if I had not done that The world could not be saved Can judas present that as an argument to god? You know literally if we go by you know, uh, that position saying god dictated their choice Then judas has a great case before god God you forced me to betray jesus the world could be saved Therefore it was not my fault. You made me do it. Therefore I need the best place in heaven or I deserve the best place in heaven or If judas did it as an act of his own free will Then he will bear the consequence of his choice So which one of the two would be most logical? definitely the second one that is judas made the choice god foreknew and spoke about him But it was judas who made the final choice to betray jesus for 30 pieces of silver and so Understanding the hardening of ferro's heart and so on we have to understand it as ferro made the choice or whoever you know So even jacob and iso even before the two were born and paul deals with this in roman's nine. He says Even before jacob and iso made were born god said jacob i have loved iso i have hated now How can the god speak like that? Well, that is because he foreknew what they will do He spoke about Spoke about things ahead of time based on their choice. They will make but the choice they made was entirely their choice not dictated by god God spoke of it ahead of time, but they made their choice so Isar didn't opt for a bowl of porridge And sell his birthright because god made him do it. No, he made the choice In hebrus 12 brings it out But god knowing about that in advance said i love jacob. I hate iso because iso sold his birthright for a bowl of porridge So everything has to be understood in the light of the rest of scripture and we understand that you know god doesn't Dictate human will he does try to influence he dies does try to move us But he doesn't override. Yes. I hope that's clear to you and answers your question, but Can I just Ask because it says I will Harden his heart so that the eye will shows kind of like something active um so like when we think of ferro we or Okay, the devil was you know, he was under the devil's influence, but can we Infer when god says I will harden his heart. Okay. He still had a freedom of choice, but god influenced his you know, maybe by bringing different Experiences to into his life or whatever influenced him to go in To make choices of hardening his heart. Can we think of it like that because the eye will Is a very active Kind of a way of saying something So if we just think oh god just allowed the devil to make his heart, you know, allow the devil to influence him um To have a hard heart then that's not being active. That's being passive but These passages that talk about different people who've had hearts hardened It's it comes across as god being active in that process Whether or not they even have a free choice, which okay, we all agree they did but Was god active in Bringing that about That's a different sort of thing. I'm thinking about Yeah, I understand it my and You know, we need to think about this a little bit more um, but my one thought that comes to my mind in response to that is Uh, would god in effect be working against himself? right by doing that Would he be self-confidently? that is I want ferro to let my people go but Uh, you know, so what would be the most logical thing god should influence ferro to do Should he influence ferro to become willing and let the lettuce people go Or should the influence ferro To say no, I don't want to let my people go. What would be the most logical thing? I'm thinking logically. I'm thinking aloud here. I mean, it's a very good question We need to spend some time on it Um, but as I I'm thinking about your question Uh, what would be the most logical thing would god work against himself? I want to get my people out, but I'm going to make this man Say no Or I want to get my people out. So I'm going to make this man say yes Now, how should I influence it? and uh Of course, I'm going to show my power. Of course. I'm going to do great things there, you know, the red sea had to be parted anyway Uh, the miracles had to take place So what would be? You know most logical Uh Yeah, I don't I don't want to answer the question right away. I think we just need to give it a little bit of time So let's take some time to think about it um Another another instance, I guess We can think about maybe is um When um Nehemiah prayed Um, and the king's heart was I guess we could say softened Towards nehemiah rebuilding the temple um And the king actually gave him all that he needed and sent him on his way with resources and everything So that's kind of maybe what you're saying. Why would god work against himself when there is a You know a different way, but I I just find that I will is very active So What what does that actually mean? You know when he says I will harden their heart Yeah, okay. All right, so um, just give me uh seven days We will bring this question up again next class And let me think about this And uh, I will come back with an answer. Hopefully it's Addressed this this aspect of the question, you know, what the active part Yeah, so let me just think about it a bit Okay, I I see Yeah, first in uh in line with the beth's question that uh, if we highlight uh, if we ponder on the words is from roman's 124 Like 22 23 24 where god says They have god has given them to their desires fleshly desires Because like their hearts were not turning. They know What is right, but they are not turning their hearts from their sin So eventually god gives them to those Seems like that. So Yeah Good. Good. Yeah. So that phrase god gave them up. I I see just it's three repeated three times in roman septum one You know god gave them up god gave them up god gave them up. So uh He just let them go into those things. Okay good okay, um You know a we are out of time, but There is a question from kennedy. There's a question Christopher Yeah, so christopher that those references we will pick up next glass from, you know, the last spot We will pick it up next week And Okay kennedy vagabond Okay, the answer answer your question vagabond spirit Yeah, it doesn't even sound right. So it cannot be from god. Um, yeah, so I'm not sure in what context Okay, so what's people to Say I see your hand raised up, but you need to go for a break Oh, okay. I'll I'll be very quick I was just thinking maybe to be for next class the clarity between the on the verse of god hating Isso And loving jaco, I don't know is it could it be that that verses talking about nations? The nation of isra and the nation of iso Or is it talking about preference and I'll make my reference to What jesus said about hating our parents, right? Basically what jesus was saying there was that we should Choose god above our loved ones Appearance, I don't know if you remember scripture. So I'm just wondering Could it be that it was he's talking about a nation? Or was he talking about preference that he chooses jake the children of isra above the nation of iso Because I've struggled in a way to accept that god actually hated Jacob I'm sorry iso my apologies hated iso, you know even before he was born and loved Jacob jaco before he was born and which In some in some circles of christianity. We talk about pre determination if I'm correct You know where god determines things before and he just goes contrary to everything that we know About god, you know if indeed they're actually people destined for hell, you know That argument supports that notion or that idea. So I differ from that So I don't know if we can get more clarity on that verse God loves iso and lord loves jacob and hates iso. Is it nation is talking about or preference? You know, I don't know I will just need more clarity on that, please Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I was referring to romans chapter 9 verse 12 and 13 And and and so what I was saying was she god God knew their choices And god is speaking with reference to the choices they will make not necessarily as them as individuals as individuals They are people there is jacob. There is iso Um, but iso was going to or he was going to sell his birthright Uh for the sake of uh, just a meal And then he was 12 brings that out saying don't be like that And so when god was saying, you know, I love jacob. I hate iso Uh, he's really speaking about what iso is expressing. That means I'm selling something spiritual so important for the sake of something fleshly And that's where you know, so for example when god hates sin So we understand it. He's talking about the sin the work the rather than the sinner himself So in that sense, so that's how, you know, I I tried to explain that You know, when god says I love jacob. I hate iso. It's with the reference to the choice they make Uh, and not necessarily as them as people, you know God loves every person. We know that he loves jacob. He loves iso as people But he's speaking in terms of what their actions represent And the consequences of what happened And so that's what I was trying to say And so he was 12 tells us not to do that not to be like iso Where we sell The spiritual for the sake of the fleshly Thank you Okay, so We Um So what we'll do is if there are more questions, we will pick this up next week And I think next next you have to make this course a two to our course Uh, because there's there's a lot of good questions. But anyway, um, we'll do our best this semester We will continue this Next week, uh, I will have to come back with an answer for bet And also, um, any other questions we have we will pick up for the last section of chapter four We'll talk about the analogies mentioned there And then we will get get into the next chapter where we talk about The spiritual experiences of the human spirit. So it's very interesting when you look in the bible What kind of spiritual experiences the human spirit has You know, what would what we see in scripture because We should open up our spirit to have those kind of spiritual Experiences, okay So let's go for a break. I know we're already over But maybe in about five to ten minutes, uh, we can join the next class. Okay Thank you so much. I'm going to just close off here and we will I'll we'll meet you in the next class Okay Thank you. God bless Thank you posture. Thank you everyone. Thank you