 It's been an incredible year celebrating the one year anniversary of Linux Foundation in Europe. The community has grown. We formed four new projects. Those projects have grown. One of the exciting announcements that came out this week was the fact that Microsoft has joined the Open Wallet Foundation. This is Yoho Sapin Bhartiya and we are here at Open Source Summit in Bilbois, Spain. And today we have with us once again, leader character, SVP of Research and Communications at the Linux Foundation. Hilary, it's great to have you back on the show. Thank you very much for having me, Swap. It's my pleasure to have you. Nice background here, right? It's beautiful. Bilbois is stunning. Such a pleasant surprise. I had no idea what to expect. Yeah, it's a fun event. So let's not talk about some of the kind of major announcement that you folks made at this event. There are a lot of research, some reports came out. So let's start there. One of the important topics that bridges the last conversation that you and I had at Open Source Summit North America Vancouver was talking about our work which was forthcoming for launch in Bilbois at Open Source Summit Europe, specific to the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals. And on Sunday the 17th of September, Jim Zemlin was speaking at the UN at an event led by ITU and essentially describing the opportunity for open source software to be embraced as a digital public good that would help accelerate the UN SDGs. And on the 14th of September, we published a comprehensive report about the various ways that Linux Foundation projects and communities of practice line up with the objectives of digital public goods and the sustainable development goals and hope that more people all over the world, more governments, more enterprises really leverage the opportunities that Open Source creates, especially when it comes to sustainability. And none of these opportunities is greater than in the reduction of waste and there's no need to rebuild architecture. We of course have an entire stream at Open Source Summit that is sustainability con. And I had the opportunity to both listen in on panels this week that we're talking about different project communities and participate in another one for LF Energy. And really it's just, I think that this messaging is so important about the impact of our projects. Some created with the very specific goals of meeting net zero targets and creating energy efficient infrastructure. And others that enable the goals in an indirect way. And it was just really a fascinating journey and I hope that our community broadly downloads the research, reads the report, discovers the opportunities to get involved and ultimately spreads the word. In 2017, the UN Digital Compact, which is an agreement among businesses to accelerate the objectives of the United Nations. And even then they recognized that Open Source was a critical part of achieving the 2030 agenda. But it needs to be restated. It needs, that message needs to get out. So I hope if we've done one thing for the good of people and planet this week through sustainability con and through the publication of our report and through Jim's speaking at the UN, is the reminder that Open Source is a vital part of this infrastructure and it's an accelerator. Will it be wrong to say that Open Source, of course code software is important, but it's more about collaboration. It's more about building a community. It's more about, you know, engaging because Linux Foundation, I don't want to like say just because I'm talking to you, I've been covering this synthesis for so long. You folks actually paved path for a lot of folks who you would never see in the same room, you know, bring them together, also made Open Source comfortable for corporate users. I mean, look at the large corporate members, you know, they are not only leveraging Open Source, they are contributing to it. So you folks have got, you know, corporate users to understand. Let's also talk about the public sector because they play a big role and we are here in Europe where, you know, a lot of grassroots movements with Open Source actually started in Europe. Colonel came from here, MySQL came from Europe, Finland, both of them, but I have not seen the same kind of movement that we have seen in the United States, you know, by the anticipation they came up with, you know, the whole S-bomb thing and Open Source and also one or two weeks ago, there was a meeting there once again. Here we are not seeing that much there. So can you also talk about how Linux Foundation can help the public sector, not only just in Europe, but globally also, they do understand the value, but they don't know the right process for it. That's right and I think it begins with first of all providing preliminary examples and providing the tools and the resources and the background material, some of the examples of how this has been done in other sectors, as well as articulating what are the sectors in Europe specifically, which have led in Open Source collaboration. And there is a strong case to be made that if Europe wants to meet its objectives of creating digital independence, digital sovereignty, reducing vendor lock-in, creating opportunities by Europeans for Europeans that Open Source is the pathway to that. And research is an important part of that how-to. Last year in Dublin at Open Source Summit Europe, there was a call to action to say, we need more research, we need more tools and broader understanding to even begin the conversations. And that's what we try to do with the LF Research Program is to put a stake in the ground using data, using empirical findings, whether it's survey data or qualitative insights that provide the evidence to open those conversations and to begin that very important collaboration. One thing that we are finding in Europe that there is a degree of maturity here where Open Source is concerned, there are innovative municipalities who are increasingly software defined, where municipal public services, whether it's paying for a parking spot or riding public transit. Community-driven initiatives, there's a lot of innovation there. And what can we learn from innovation that's already taking place in Europe? And how do we apply that up to higher levels of government to regional governments and to national governments? And also through research identifying who is leading in the public sector transformation. There are leaders, we just need to do a little bit more investigative work to find them. We've been able to identify them in energy here in Europe with RTE in France and Alliander in the Netherlands collaborating in the energy sector. We just need to uncover those examples of where there is leadership in Open Source in the public sector. We can see a kind of leadership coming out of Germany through the sovereign tech fund and their investment in the OpenJS Foundation to the tune of 875,000 euros. That's leadership. But where are those other examples and what are the objectives and what can other constituents learn in this region about how to get involved and what are the steps necessary? I think resourcing is one of the most important steps but also showing up, being present at Open Source Summit Europe and getting involved in action. Right, and you mentioned sustainability. You also mentioned RTE and Alliander and when you look at the Paris Accord, when you look at LFE, it's very well placed and RTE and Alliander led that movement there. Now we also have Linux Foundation Europe. So can you also talk a bit about some of the work that you folks are doing in Europe? Linux Foundation Europe was announced almost a year ago in Dublin. So it also gives us an update and the involvement with the public sector or the progress that the Foundation has made here. It's been an incredible year celebrating the one-year anniversary of Linux Foundation Europe. The community has grown. We formed four new projects. Those projects have grown. One of the exciting announcements that came out this week was the fact that Microsoft has joined the Open Wallet Foundation. A few weeks prior, we announced that Google had joined the Open Wallet Foundation. This is a really amazing signal that the digital wallet has a strategic role to play in the European payment ecosystem and that the door is open for other organizations to get involved. We would like to see the public sector involved in a digital wallet conversation because so many citizen-centric elements are present in our physical wallet. We have driver's licenses. We have identity cards. We have health cards and those are elements that should be stored in an interoperable wallet no matter which country we're from, no matter which type of device we use. And so the Open Wallet Foundation poised for growth with the support of major organizations, regardless of the fact of whether those organizations are domiciled, sends a really healthy signal that this is a community that has caught the attention of some significant players and we want everybody to get involved. Now, since we're talking about Euro, there's one more thing I want to talk about which is not that great, not that positive which is the Cyber Resiliency Act. There are a lot of concerns. Intentions are good, but I think there was a lot of miscommunication between the actual open source communities and the lawmakers. So can you talk about Cyber Resiliency Act and what a Linux Foundation or Linux Foundation Europe or the community can do to kind of help lawmakers understand how open source it works? We launched a campaign this week, hashtag fix the CRA and it is an absolute call to action. It is a plea to action for European organizations, European enterprises to get involved, to express to their members of European Parliament that this legislation written in the way it is written is utterly harmful for Europe. We had... So in addition to joining the campaign and in addition to raising your voices, contacting your members of European Parliament, clicking to tweet, raise the alarm bells because the conversations that we have had in the hallway tracks here from European organizations have simply been that our members of European Parliament do not understand the extent to which this is going to cause job loss. This is going to utterly stall progress for Europe's thriving ecosystem and it's going to stall digital sovereignty. It's going to force companies to become more reliant on software developed elsewhere where the developers are not subject to some of the harmful terms of the CRA. So absolutely it's been our core message this week is to get involved in creating awareness that the CRA, the way it is written is incredibly harmful. I also want to talk about one of the hottest topics these days is generative AI. You mentioned that you work on some reports. Talk a bit about what work you folks are doing from the research division on generative AI. It's obviously the most talked about technology at this conference and for good reason. It's disruptive, it's transformative and there is a need to keep AI open and there are a lot of voices who believe that to the contrary and we have to understand the state of play and one of the ways we do this is also through research of course we launched a survey this week on generative AI and we need to understand to what extent organizations are using generative AI to what extent they're driving value from generative AI to what extent they believe that generative AI needs to be open. We need to understand their concerns and so we're really excited to have that insight to get a baseline understanding of the ecosystem and to inform our approach with respect to potential regulation to try to get ahead of it to say, our message is that we believe that AI will be a more trusted technology by way of its openness and that's the message that we're hoping will come through loud and clear that is supported by empirical data and that's why we launched the research study during Ibrahim Haddad's keynote. It is in partnership with LF AI and data and really, really an important area for society at large. Hilary, thank you so much for taking time out today and of course give us a bit on these reports and also a lot of progress that is made in Europe and let's hope that we will be able to fix CRA. Thanks for all those insights and I would love to chat with you again, thank you. Thanks Swap. Thanks for helping us amplify our core messaging. I really appreciate the opportunity.