 I'm not gonna lie, it's changed things. There's a definite sense of an end to an era coming into DEFCON 20. No one really knows what comes next. It's not how we got here. Tomorrow is not yesterday. Black Hat is a preview, but DEFCON's not immune to it either. It's not 1998 anymore. It's not even just that we got old, although we did. That's the funny thing, you know. Before, what are the topics of conversation? Shell code, now what's the topics of conversation? I can't drink like I used to, I'm so tired. Gotta take naps. You know, one of the things that, one of the things is you should just be able to go to random parties, every room at the Alexis Park, had a party, it didn't matter if you were there, you belong, you deserve to be there. A substantial amount of energy that people have to spend at Black Hat and DEFCON is getting the invites to the parties, because nobody can throw a party for everybody, not even Microsoft can. And so what do you do? The parties, people need to interact, in person, not email, not text, but actually going out, having fun, having drinks, it's an incredible part of the human experience. And all this stuff used to be small and could afford to be fully inclusive. And the problem a lot of communities have is, as they grow, being fully inclusive means being too large to meet everyone, to see everyone, to interact with everyone. And it's hard, it's hard, just like all of these old friends that we haven't seen in so long and there's only so much time in the day. I don't know, how do we make this scale? It's not just day, how do we make security scale? How do we make security people scale? How do we keep this culture around? Okay, I am an optimist, maybe one of the few in this space. I think we can fix it. And what's more is I wanna fix it. And I know it's a lot harder to do, but I think we can do it, I think we can fix the net. But that's my personal conceit. That's a thing about me, that's not everybody. And that's okay. Some people like blowing stuff up. Some people like drinking a lot with their nerdy friends. There's a culture that has formed over the last 20 years. That is us. And keeping that culture, holding on to that culture. I don't know, it's hard. Everyone goes through it, but it's hard. I've been doing this for 13 years and it's been the highlight of my year. It's not gone. I'll tell you that much, but it's struggling. It is struggling.