 This time they don't deserve it. The intro thing was pretty cool. Actually, it worked a lot better than I expected it All right, the next fucking eight hours here we go Up the stream actually healthy first I love that song is great You can't even like oh sing it because it's too good you just humiliate song Don't go that high Or at least that that beautiful. That's how I describe it. It's such a good voice. It's just beautiful Tis gorgeous Tease indeed just right so that 11 or so minutes that I was away chat All I did was push all of the memes into the meme section of my discord and set up all the next memes That's all I could do Apparently it takes 10 minutes to do that. Oh my Justing I should sue But yes, welcome back all we now have Jay long bonus jumped in and critical drinker was hero. Wait, did you my mind's melting? Were you here before or after the stream? This wasn't supposed to happen till like midway through the third order. Yeah, I know brains melting too early Oh, there's some memes I got to collect from Twitter as well. Oh God damn it yeah, I can actually do that while we just we calibrate, you know, we need a second to be like whoa I wonder how long till free he's gonna wake up again Goodbye drinker Every time Didn't want you here anyway Oh man, yeah, my connections had a few issues and it's kind of slowing down So I thought I'm going to come back in Scottish. It's fine What we expect from that Is more place actually kind of would prefer to live there just because of the weather. Yeah Yeah, I prefer cold. Oh Wow If you like cold and rain then this is the place to be I was gonna say what's the hottest it gets there like ever I've lost you there for a second say that again. How was like the hottest it gets there? Sometimes people have been known to take the jumpers off whoa like when it's proper hot Let's not get crazy now. No, no, I mean to be fair It's kind of the opposite in Scotland like if there's a break in the cloud for like five minutes Then every man within 50 miles will like whip his top off, you know Big kids, but I don't know if you'd want to see it Scottish women They're a little little burly a little thick a little Highland magic Yeah, that's pretty much. He's working on it. It's coming along Adrian's wall was built to keep out the Scottish titties No, this is a this is part two of the 24-hour stream, right? Yes. We're already out of three, right? What out of three technically? Yes, I think that means that this is the middle. This is yes This is the best bit this is my favorite. I was gonna say so this will be the longest part, right? My favorite part I too enjoy the things Wow, how do you sound so enthusiastic because I'm saving my Enthusiasm's for the later. So his name is rag is can you please? Sorry rags is the current coroner real person of it chronologist. Yes Part one is unlisted, right? I have to set that twice fucking new version of YouTube's tisms All right, it'd be good. I cry if not Should it be good? Yes, it should it be good or should it just be Whatever it be Sometimes you shouldn't force things to be certain ways Either way enjoy We got is everybody into the into the watch to gore there Yeah, yeah, excellent wait the six of us 95 in it. What's going on who's held who's holding out? Well, I'm in it. I think so I refreshed the watch together singing brown all right video so Now there's four of us and you watch well if no, I'm still five now it's five We have TB PAU we have a x KCU. There we go. We have feot tree and we have I'm in I'm in and also there we go Who's the only person who bothered to put a profile image for his watch together, which just makes sense because of how often we use it So from left to right we have on this wonderful beginning of the stream Theo Southpaw Jay Longbone rag is the critical drinker and mules Lee You're because we're Rags, you've been drinking too much wait wait. No, I'm reading the names off the list We say go from left to right usually you will show me So I baited and switched you guys we are gonna do the video that I mentioned But there's a different one I want to go first cuz it's just I just love the premise of this video So this is from a good good old good old person we've covered on you've had before called it. Hello, Greedo You guys remember that guy what I do he wears the helmet He doesn't wear the last Jedi stop it When was this video this was a while ago But I love the fucking title of it. It's so great the everything you think is important is not important That that is oh Well, the last video that we covered was like this thing isn't as good as you think these videos think they can see into my mind Oh, hey, man, they know better than you. Okay Why do I have to re-edit my coverage of this thing again? What the fuck's going on? You have to uncover it you every goddamn time Change streams suddenly have to change everything Jeremy from geeks and gamers in chat. Hello, Greedo is the ultimate beta male. I agree Jeremy. Do you want to jump in my good man? Jeremy Jeremy Jeremy German German man Jeremy Jeremiah Jeremy Jeremy. We're covering not only someone you're not a fan of to any degree, but it's dear wise as well There was come on watch a video with us. Why are we talking about? I like Styrofoam out and the second episode is going to shit very quick I've not even drank much at all, but critical drinkers is constantly tree. You see that in the picture. It's just a stream He doesn't have blood. He has Yeah, oh, yeah, I've blocked my I have to stay away from like naked flames because I'll just go out like a torch man I could use a naked flame right now. I Would rather a closed Hotty I prefer a clothed flame Tissue true Yeah, just let me know in chat Jeremy when when you want to jump in and I will oh gosh Nobody's speeding late at night Terrible. Oh, did you hear that? Where do they have to be? I don't know When the that's probably what it is actually only just streaming on their phone though. Do they need to speed? Do they have a need for speed? I Yeah, okay, so I fixed the screen. Yeah, so this is I guess this was at the height of the TLJ conversations that were happening and Last week I wanted to bring out a video called everything you think is important is not important. So We're about to get our minds blown. Is everybody ready for this? gentle prediction Plot consistency characters making sense. Don't they're not important. Oh Apparently Jeremy can join right now. It's your motivation All right, um, I guess feels bad man. Do you okay with jumping out? You're next in the queue exit eight minutes into the second episode Don't worry that means you'll be on the thumbnail. I was gonna say you'll be you'll be back Cuz we go in 10 any time you need fella. I can jump back in well, it's just it's not even filler It's just the queue fair enough or you'll replace somebody as well. I'll make sure of it Jay, I'll be like what do you say? It's like it's just me and Jay and then you come in. I'm like Jay leave Get out Jay anyway, yeah, thanks for having me on see you around I guess see you around sir Goodbye, do you not get shot? What why would he would you assume that I wouldn't Why does he need that recommendation is it not just something that's standard you say that I think getting a shot can kill you or cause otherwise serious bodily harm to you What if they shoot you in in what if they shoot you with two nine millimeter shots in the chest rags? That doesn't do anything. Oh, that's never lethal. No one's ever died from that in the life Christina Taylor says finally with the oh gone the other guests can get a word in And here he comes D-day Cobra It was the frame is the loquacious one. I don't know I'd have to check the law. I think so. That doesn't sound right I'm all I should leave. Yeah, I reckon we should get him. Yeah. How come you don't have to leave? I don't know some kind of weird rule Rules are meant to be broken. This is true. Laws are the ones that aren't meant to be broken Well, what if I told you that everything you think some You cut out, but I know in spirit what you were trying to say god damn it It was that was a quality comment, you know Jeremy, how do you do? Kicked I if anybody I wanted to kick Mahler That was my goal to come on e-fap and have Mahler have to be kicked and instead you kicked you you monster So toxic hi everyone, thank you for allowing me to join I'll only be here for a little while, but definitely I'll pop back in later for the long run if that's okay Jeremy nice to finally meet you. Thank you. Nice to meet you, too I appreciate you guys having me on any time we can talk about hello Greedo the person that's the most passive aggressive beta mail I've ever seen I'm happy to do that. I have the Unfortunateness of following on Twitter and every day. It's something about how people are critical of the OT like they are Of the sequels. It's like wasn't this the guy who shredded the prequels over and over again Over and over non-stop and he's he's so he keeps making these passive aggressive videos He won't name anyone and then when you I've called him out several times and he plays the mister Oh, I'm just having fun. It is so annoying. Well, just trying to open up a conversation By not naming people I'll conversate with or going on to people who want to have Conversations with me. Well, he was he was invited to e-fap fucking ages ago I'm not even kidding and I believe it was like a soft. Yes, and then it went to like a soft No, and then just no and I got that's a shame for someone who wants to just start discussions It just seems like it just seems a little odd to me that somebody who says that would be Theoretically so open to a discussion, but well, I mean sniping from Twitter is just so much fun Because you don't actually have to directly engage with people who disagree with you You can just you know make a bitchy little comment at them in public for your thousands of followers You just you know pair it with Without a second thought Well, Jeremy, are you able to see the link to watch together in the group? Yes, just jump on that It's only a four minute video as well But I imagine it's gonna take us a while because he's probably gonna say a bunch of stupid shit I bet much like him. It is very dense That is a true So is it on zero for you, Jeremy? Can't be hang on just it's on five seconds now. Yeah, pretty much All right adjust your volume as you prefer and because I think you've used it for a Jeremy But yeah, everybody has access to the pause button It works as if it's all our belongs to all of us at the same time, but volumes your own Star Wars the last Jedi does not find important what you may find important. That is correct Never before have two minds been so inextricably connected He's on point with this one. I like him already. It's not to a good start. That's a good job subverting viewer expectations Okay, I wish that people and I know this sounds biased as fuck I wish people who defend the last Jedi weren't allowed to say subverted Expectations I wish it was stricken actually fuck it for everybody You're not allowed to use those two words anymore when discussing the last Jedi. I have to say something else Did a thing that no one saw Right into the the NPC meme It just feels like that's the update that they got and they were required by by their update to say those words when they defend it It they just walk right into the meme It's something else that Assassin longs to feel my axe. I find proper character development to be important, which is why I'm not a huge Ray going from hating Kylo Ren to like being in love with him in one scene. We didn't see it coming Yeah, it's good. I didn't see it coming. I also wouldn't like comics viewer expectations Challenging what fans find important that lightsaber. Yeah, Luke doesn't care. He just throws it behind his head race parents I wish I traded last Jedi for drinking money I I'm famously known for never having a drink of alcohol I might I might I might change that if I could erase the last Jedi from my mind and just Quite the deal. I just I like that. He's by the way He's like he tried to explain away like blatant fuck ups in the movies. It doesn't consider them important I'm just waiting for it to be like logic not important to the last Jedi. Okay, I Consistency development. It's not important like I could see I agree that the film doesn't think that Find his head race parents. They're nobody. They traded her for drinking money. Snoke cut in half like butter He's just there to show Kylo Ren struggle The idea that Snoke can die that was never really the problem No, if Snoke I Snoke needed to be immortal for me to feel any kind of the last Jedi Because if there's anything I love it's immortal antagonists the amount of fucking times we've had to explain about Snoke that I Don't want to have to care about him, but you made him super important in your universe. So now I need to know shit about him The film like hitler the film itself writes him to be the shitty one-dimensional like villain man dressed in gold And it's like you see that's that's what he is like the film made him that Didn't have to make him that I didn't vote on it I feel like they could have just made him part of Kylo Ren's backstory and not even had much of him in the Force Awakens Like you just have Kylo killing him be a part of his backstory before Kylo is even introduced Yeah, and that that could have worked. I think it would have worked better than if you had Kylo as an actual Workable antagonist who's genuinely powerful and menacing but then all characters all of that. Hey, you just think that's important Killing off your main like like the big bad guy that's being set up for your trilogy literally halfway through the trilogy Halfway through the second film. I just like credible. Yeah The idea as well In an alternate universe we'd be arguing about how hokey it is that they did like, you know scenes where When they setting up snow kiss like the idea is that he came in once Palpatine was gone and they like Redo some scenes from the OT to try and show him in them Yeah, yeah, like like a shitty minion of Palpatine and we'd be talking about like oh, that's so retcardy But you know, how good is it? How much does it fit? It's like no, he's just we don't even know that We don't even know what his connection to Palpatine was or why he's just he's a guy He's just a guy like first order. I don't know Shout out to the chat. It's nice to see that the the High Council meme has found its way to the EFAC chat No, it's that yeah, I watched you guys responding to major Lee. How fun was that? I was I was actually a blast It's really amazing when you really sit there and listen to him how stupid he really is Did you see did you see him debate be rags and veto? I haven't seen that way Anna thinks Anna speaks barely very highly of how you you guys simply destroyed him, but I need to watch that one I'll give Lee sad Jeremy you're gonna need like an bottle of aspirin handy because it is literally headache inducing With me the guy he goes and does a review of the fandom minutes and and proceeds to not include Anyone in the fandom minutes except for me and you know a couple people that's it everybody else So he included had nothing to do with the fandom minutes like who? He brought Robert Storms into it, which is Robert yeah, some of the people you're showing I've never even heard of them. Oh Is he really? Did you guys see what film gobb did to Robert Storms on the High Council? Yeah, well, I saw you guys show it that is a weird man No, no gonna lie If you're curious about Robert Storms at some point during this this yeah EFAP Marathon you should watch a film gobb's video on the assassination of Robert Storms by the coward Robert Storms It is fantastic But so used film used Robert Storms He used this guy who does this jogging the vlog where he jogs and complains about people and He has nothing to do with the fandom minutes Birds who I've actually gotten in fights with I don't like denim nerds. He can go fuck himself So and there was about three or four other smaller Creators, I've never heard of and they were claiming they were part of the fandom menace and none of them are it was really weird It was really strange that he just Included a bunch of people that oh Grace Randolph. He said Grace Randolph was in the fandom minutes Yeah, I guess Out of this selection some of them are like sort of enemies some of them are super fucking weird And then some of them like people you guys are okay with but don't really associate with that much, right? Like that. It was such a weird selection. Yeah, it really was Obvious ones like there are obvious like figureheads. It's like why wouldn't Yeah, he made me the the target of his entire video, but yeah with Ethan He only he only linked Ethan van skyver through me mentioning Ethan by first name basis Like the most famous person in the family. I love that baby. He's like it's so weird He just like assuming we know but then Ethan's like he's my friend So that we can we can refer to each other by I was like whoa It was strange go ahead. I'm sorry go ahead Jeremy It was just it was funny that he showed how uneducated in the whole topic He was with his video. He made a better case for the fandom minutes than anything with his video We found out with You know what I found really funny is the the dude that actually coined the toxic group thing commented on major leaves videos saying that Video on the fandom in us was better than his own Listen, I that doesn't surprise me given the ability that many of these people have to judge the qualities of things This is true. This is true now also he included Mike zero so my aunt chat reminded me So he played Mike zero a lot during this now Mike zero Mike zero is this Star Wars youtuber that literally uploads the same video three times a day and it's usually the same Is that where he's got basically nothing to talk about but he manages to make like 10 minute videos about it Yes, and he's got a dartboard behind him and he says the same He's like a robot and we make fun of him on the high council all the time Which I'll do I have nothing respect for Mike if you can if you can get views and make money by making the same exact video over and over Go for it. I hate on you But we make fun of him and majorly made it out like Mike zero is the integral part of the fandom minutes. I'm like With this human being he's very strange we just make fun of you should have majorly come on to the high council They'll be fucking classic Do it Also have an eject button though Make sure you have control over that I mean like who's a nightmare listen back to your e-fap What what e-fap is that Rags? What would you guess 25 25? Okay? Yeah, I'll check that out you go. Um, yeah, anyway. Sorry. Hello, Greedo majorly is more annoying than you He's just there to show Kylo Ren struggle Admiral ackbar Dead Lucas some neo Superman Jedi. So what you're gonna do is just tell us what happens in the film and then say the film didn't care That you cared about it. Okay Nailed it. I know he's a broken man by subverting audience expectations or what we assume through guess work needs to happen We actually get a or would make sense not needs to happen. What would make logical sense? Maybe that's what he's referring to he's like law rubber fuck was maybe but remember Rags all the way back at e-fap. I want to say three. It could be two where Patrick Williams highlights logic as the enemy and we were like, okay You might want to roll it back a bit if you've made logic the enemy. It's not it's not a good start People expect logic People expect logic and a good crafted constructed story and that's just not important What's important is some bullshit theme that I made up two minutes ago So what's coming up on the bottom left there? Interesting experience. What the odd like stalls then subscribe. I don't know if I'd recommend that It's a clear choice. I Don't ever do that. Don't tell people to fucking like your video before you've shown any quality He's telling you to subscribe. He's wants you to subscribe We've listened to about 35 seconds all he said is things happen in the movie and that the film considered them not important It's like all right. Here's a quick summary guys. I like my fucking video So I could buy more of these stupid fucking masks, but he's lame ass fucking video Would you do this? Apparently this is the origin so he used to wear a grito mask It got worn and so he ended up going with a stormtrooper. It's like your name is still hello grito Is that really what he used to do? Yeah, cuz I saw some on Twitter say like why don't you wear a grito mask if you called hello grito He's like I used to but it got like worn and fucked up and so he goes with this Shame they didn't make No, that's the only one Hello Finn hello stormtroopers of like that or no Stormtrooper It's considers important what they consider the unshakable foundation the way things have to be the way things have to go The last Jedi turns on its head and I love it for that Love it. I've never in control. I do since predetermined to do things Regardless of nobody's I don't think anyone is saying that you know what we expected to happen had to happen like that that's the only way it could have played out but You have to have something vaguely logical happen when someone says Snoke needs a history. Is that like oh, so there's any one thing that can happen It's like no, no, that's like a still a billion things is there's still so much room to do whatever you want to do like Who a raise parents it's like oh just one thing we can do is like no no no again There are so many different things you could do as a writer for that But for some reason they see it as restrictive I guess the things make sense I've had this before I just love watching movies that basically Give me the finger for feeling invested in it and wanting to know more about their world. I love it I love it. I love that movies don't find that kind of stuff important Matter your preconceived notions of things to come don't count what you think is important is not important Martin Zeke pre-conceived what it what if someone was going to have preconceived notions about what should happen What would those things maybe be based on? Previous films I Like the idea that you know random stuff episode six is just a Simpsons episode And you're like I thought Luke was gonna be in it because of the positive ah Yeah, see preconceived notions Luke Skywalker is gonna be in it. What is that nonsense? That's what that is Spoiler the mental gymnastics the mental gymnastics at TLJ defenders go through is that it's actually pretty damn It's more entertaining than the movie. That's for you know And the e-fap is totally about this in a way But because people criticize us for covering Star Wars too much We cover fucking everything Star Wars just pops up a lot because it's extremely into the culture Yes, but I also noticed that like the Star Wars coverage gets more views than pretty much everything else So you well, I guess I kind of my channel was bumped up by Star Wars So it makes a lot of sense, but it's not in the title so people can't know unless they click anyway, but the course the This is so like covering it in a way that's like This this is all expected or this is all something we all we all want as a sort of desperate Defense of the film is another revealing element because we've talked about throughout e-fap TLJ split not only like the fan base of Star Wars, but like video essayists on YouTube got split into down like into their abilities to break down Story structure and stuff or like to be honest about what is in a film's content You found a lot of reviewers that were just unwilling to criticize it despite the fact that they've got a long history of doing it for Other films that suffer the same flaws like obviously I hate everything just right a bunch of others that just failed to point out all of the blatant horrific errors And it like it like changed video essays on YouTube because because of what movie But it makes sense. It was a Star Wars movie because it's huge Yeah, it because the same defenses that they used to Last Jedi from criticism could still be applied to any absolutely terrible film That's been released in recent memory amazing Spider-Man 2 suicide squad Batman v Superman and yet They're totally happy with ripping all those films apart and you know, they're right to do that But the last Jedi it's something special. It's there. It's their golden cow Yeah, and I think it explores. Well, this is probably what helped boost the whole the difference between liking a thing and talking about the construction of a thing or The idea that a lot of people I think we're operating under the idea that So like half the audience like that's the same thing and the other half the audience like it's not the same thing And a lot of content creators could sort of serve both of those audiences at the same time by being like I like it because of these consistent things I just like it because of these inconsistent things that come to conclusions But when you're like CLJ is good you're like, whoa Hang on Hang on a minute And I think it makes sense that it happened with this in Game of Thrones Those are the two huge one. No, and nobody was defending Game of Thrones though, right? Does anyone know anybody who defended Game of Thrones? One of the Game of Thrones subreddits like had a bunch of people fending it and if you look up, I think ASOIAF Jerk, they're kind of like the movie circle jerk version of the Game of Thrones community. Oh It's like a refuge for people who enjoyed season 8. Yeah Let me find that red There's a couple people that I know on my Twitter feed that we're defending it. I'm not gonna put them on blast. Oh, yeah No, it's all good But but but on a but on a large scale like And when I say large scale just to the point where you can kind of point out a certain group of people that defended The last shit I you can't really find that with Game of Thrones season 8. There's pretty much. Oh, right, but Dean Matt He's one That's actually that actually just credibility if he's He kind of flopped on flipped on TLJ sort of as well sorry criticizing people who didn't like it Matt went from I think he was trying to Trying to find a way to come ahead of the hot takes So the idea is that everyone was ripping into TLJ rightly so because the film is fucking garbage And then he wanted to make a video where he was like, you know what everybody we've ripped into it enough The video he made one of his arguments were that JJ is coming back for episode 9. Isn't that what we want? It was like I don't I don't think many people want JJ attached to make the ending to anything The man who famously can't end anything. I Have catch can't figure Matt out I had him on my channel a long time ago before the whole false flagging situation We talked after after the fact I you know enjoyed talking with him, but he just Not have a core base on any situation he just kind of He's not a fan of my content Jeremy said why would I watch five hour deconstruction when I could just watch the thing I Got Yeah, how are you gonna? How are you gonna survive for that one? I don't know There's a guy in the chat saying unsurprisingly Greedo likes game of season 8 that's Christ is he has does he have that idea? not a seriously What a video for that you're fucking with me, right? I didn't I don't follow hello, Greedo. You say Greedo likes what? He apparently Greedo likes game of According to a dude in the chat I'll have a look at his newest stuff. We got knighthood knighthood, too Because holy shit. I was not aware of that. I guess I'm not I probably was subscribed to him up until other guy. That's corroborating Is it just in tweets? Has he made any videos about it looks like you only does Star Wars videos? Yeah, I think he only does Star Wars videos fucking course. He liked it, right? God damn it Greedo is trying like some of his fans when I when I responded to Greedo on Twitter a while back some of his fans come in there They said unlike you Jeremy He doesn't care about his subs and I because I've made a comment that And I'm like dude in his bio. He's celebrating that he has 200,000 subs and he has all of his awards listed He's he's basically putting his whole entire YouTube resume over everything He cares about his subs, but he's bleeding subs So he's trying to he's trying to fall into the excuse that I'm intentionally doing this to lose subs Now no, you're not you're losing subs people don't like you. You're you're just not Oh, you know, I'm not trying to be a dick, but Greedo is definitely in a youtuber midlife crisis He has no idea what he's supposed to do anymore 100% being someone who's super critical of the prequels while doing random videos with takes on the sequels while loving them It's locked him into this position where he has no idea what content he's supposed to make anymore You see I don't give a shit that he loves the sequel I give a shit passive aggressive people that are criticizing them Oh, yeah, absolutely. I think you know, Jeremy's had to say this a whole bunch of times to me and rags like TLJ. That's fine Like it. I don't really give a shit So it's fine. I I think that if anything You'll probably be more honest of all of us to admit that there's definitely things to like in the movie There's you know things that you probably say like yeah looking at that I could totally see how someone would enjoy these these elements Yeah, I mean I'm having a guy on my channel He's a he's a small creator Well in the fandom menace and he likes the last Jedi and he has no problem with the fact that he's surrounded by 99% of people in the fitness to hate it and I can appreciate that He doesn't said they're go Oh, you're racist and sexist cuz you like it or you cuz you hate it No, he just says hey, I like the movie and I appreciate the fact that you guys all hate it But I enjoy it So I'm gonna have him on the channel so we can talk about that because there's nothing wrong with liking a goddamn movie It's not I don't know why these people can't figure that out I mean, it's fine to have that discussion You know, it'd be great if people on both sides I guess would just be able to disable these are my reasons why I like it or don't like it and You know, we can either agree or not, but like we don't have to I guess hate each other because of it I mean, I I enjoy the Amazings man, too, and I utter trash fire of a film, so That's the constant character attacks and assumption of people's intentions Probably aren't necessary That probably damages people's perception of you far more than you just saying yeah, I like the last Jedi It's probably the part where you say we're all sexist and we hate black people Don't people Yeah, right I was such a naive youtuber that point I was like I can put out a video criticizing black panther and then I remember I think it's on the e-fab I'm like people are calling me racist. I don't know Those days where I would get shocked to be called racist. Yeah Now it's a shock to not be called racist like oh shit Just like that meme with the with what's his face or is like work first time with James Franco first time Yeah I've only seen black panther one time and initially when I walked out I gave it like an eight out of ten and somebody a couple of you called me a clan member Do you guys remember oh my god? It had like a 100% rating and everyone hated the guy who gave it less than that because he said there's not enough fights in it That was his reasoning. Yeah, I remember people being so pissed of that guy You just want to watch black people fight each other Fucking trial bike combat black on black violence And I mean the other thing is like with people like Greedo I just can't trust his standards what makes it like good content because at least with me if I am Liking a terrible film. I will say hey this film really terrible. I had fun with it Just don't don't go into expecting a masterpiece But I mean, yeah, you just try to oh try to you know, you'd have no idea If Greedo says episode nine is good. What the fuck could you expect to be in it? It's like I have no idea I don't know. It's like, yeah, it based on this person liking it Can you describe what might be a part of the film? Only imagine how bad it For him to say episode nine is fucking shit. Like if our selection said it I'd be like, ooh So does that mean that they actually find try and find consistent ways of making like repairing what was there and trying to Reassemble the two previous abortions from from the sequel trilogy is like oh that that could mean a lot of things actually, but Yeah, hello Greedo's like you could be up for anything, especially if you like season 8 Game of Thrones. Holy fuck Feels bad man, it's like secondhand embarrassment Well, it's like I mean everybody knows I'm a big fan of the Nolan Batman trilogy and I I still love the Dark Knight rises But you cannot sit there and objectively say that movie doesn't have massive problems that Friend in South Pole there, man. We recently covered that Jeremy actually really about about two hours ago. Yeah, very recently Yeah, thank you Thank you, I love the Nolan trilogy and I still love the Dark Knight rises I do have my own problems with it But yeah, objectively speaking, there's just There's just massive problems with that movie that you're like Nolan the king of attention to detail missed so much it felt like he was checked out a little bit Which is bizarre right because he was on top of the world with the Dark Knight You think you'd want to nail it with this one I personally think the ledger thing really threw him for a big loop that he didn't know how to deal with Ledger was supposed to be in Dark Knight rises wasn't he? Yeah, yeah, I mean I fundamentally changed I think everything about the direction they went I'm pretty sure we would have I'm pretty sure we would have followed up directly after the Dark Knight Which would have obviously been the logical, you know way to go because the ending of the Dark Knight leaves so many questions And it's such a fascinating ending of Batman taking the responsibility and when Ledger not there I mean Ledger is such a dominant force So I don't know how you move forward with that movie if you pick up directly after the Dark Knight So I think that's where the eight-year gap kind of come into play to kind of separate themselves from Ledger's Joker a little bit Which created a whole bunch of problems. You know what's interesting? I actually would have loved to have seen. Oh go ahead No, I was just gonna say I mean Would you kind of want the same antagonist to movies in a role though? Well, he wasn't gonna be a primary antagonist He was gonna be he was gonna be released with the prison And I was gonna say I would have loved to have seen a scene where the Joker meets Bane Like I wonder how their interactions would go. It'll be awesome Yeah, just like one little cameo would have been great It would have been fantastic. Yeah, but that was the rumor was that he wasn't gonna be the main Villain, but he was definitely gonna make a a small appearance. I can be there assume And this is this is absolutely what I think they would have done along with what they did with like Jack Sparrow The Joker might have ended up getting his own fucking trilogy of movies and it might have driven him into the ground as a character Yeah, but I think Whatever he would have done in the Dark Knight Rises probably would have been like amazing He was he was just fantastic in the Dark Knight The only people I ever meet that don't like him are typically just like he's not the Joker that I know Not the Joker that you know the Joker, but the thing is with Joker He's got so many interpretations at this point There's kind of hard to pin down what the Joker specifically is Definitively if you know what I mean reminds me of a certain red and blue clad superhero. Oh You mean homelander I've said this on eFat before but homelander along with a bunch of characters from the boys apparently have been poorly adapted and yet People are saying it's better than the source material. I Can't speak to this source material I mean certainly from his portrayal in the actual TV show. He's just a brilliant character I would go as far as saying he was possibly the best actor in the whole show outside of Carl I was really impressed by the guy who played homeland I really like the guy who played the deep as well. I thought you know, he played him well And he had a great sort of character. No, that was my stripper name. Wait, right. Have you seen the boys? We should check that out if you haven't I have you seen my boys. Yes The boys yeah, no, I've watched it twice Okay, but I haven't seen it yet. I have not no I've heard good things though I've had I've heard many good things. It's definitely it's got a pilot that'll hook you once you figure out what's going on in the show You're like, oh, yeah, I'll watch the shit out of this It's first five minutes. You're hooked. You're like, holy shit. What the hell is going on? It's next on my list of shows to watch But yeah, like the whole thing with you know, Jeremy It'd be one thing if like you were saying that no the darkening rises is really good And you just don't understand it that's where I would like get into an all-out like fight with you like right here, but you know As long as you acknowledge. Yeah, like It doesn't it feels to live up to a standard of quality that we should be able to expect from movies I don't care if you enjoy it By that I mean like it doesn't bother me that you enjoy it and I'm happy that you enjoy it I wish I could play it, but I don't so I mean much to the end much on a much smaller scale obviously, but you know the Assassination of Luke Skywalker's character You're kind of dealing with that with Batman and the Dark Knight rises like Batman wouldn't take eight years Yeah, it just wouldn't do it. He wouldn't do it, but again Step back. I understand the difficulty in the ledger situation So while I'm not forgiving the movie for the problems that it created I can still find enjoyment because I do you know, I still have that universe that wouldn't know Yeah, there's massive problems To kind of enjoy that movie, you know on the emotional level for the the moments It delivers without you know, you can kind of separate that from your logical kind of understanding of the plot and the problems there And then you're fine like you're you're able you're able to say like I enjoyed it on that level on a subjective level But I can recognize all those objective flaws Yeah, and and and also like the thing with Luke and Batman at least with the Dark Knight rises They established that the city's crime rate was at like an all-time low as opposed to Luke where like you've got the first order blowing up five plans that once like You don't even have to go that far he literally left at like the worst timing ever He his his best friend and sister's son has lost his mind and killed a bunch of children slash students And then run off and Luke's like, you know what I'm gonna just leave Luke The Dark Knight Rises was the most disappointing movie for me because like the Force Awakens was not that amazing of a film Last Jedi to be a follow-up to as opposed to like dude, you got Batman Begins and the Dark Knight There is no excuse for it to be this fucking bad But at the same time, I won't say that it's objectively first then the last Jedi I just subjectively. Yeah, at least the dog. No, I didn't assassinate anybody from what I remember. Well, I mean I would say that assassinated Alf sent Bruce, but I don't think that what Bruce went through Like writing wise was nearly as bad as what happened with with Luke. So That's my two cents, right? No, I think I think you're pretty much bang on with that one at least Batman actually gets to do something useful. Oh, yeah And there's a reason why he's you know absent as opposed to Luke. I don't think it's a particularly great reason, but it's a reason Well, not just a reason but like at least at least like crime is at an all-time high or something. It's at an all well. So Yeah Playing off of some of the things that they're obvious here is like I like I was a big fan of the Force Awakens until the last Jedi and then it showed me that the Force Awakens needed the follow-up to be good for Because it's not a good movie in its own on its own It's got a lot of problems and it needed the follow-up, but you have a spider-man 3 Well, spider-man 2 doesn't fall off any because spider-man 2 is an all-time great film. I love spider-man same with the Dark Knight the Dark Knight rises It created a lot of problems But it doesn't affect the greatness of the Dark Knight because on its own the Dark Knight is a great movie That's worth the Force Awakens falls apart because it needed the follow-up to pay off I would just cop to it like I needed somebody to explain to me why the Force Awakens was terrible because I was kind of taken away with it I was just like yay Splenda happy stuff whoo. I think it's because the the expectations were so low after the prequels I think most people were just pleased that JJ nailed his intention I think it's probably what happened there like he fully intended to dangle those keys and he dangled them There was big shiny keys and we all just well not all of us a lot of people saw right through it But I was one of the people who was like yay keys. Oh Yeah, I was enamored at first. Yeah, my I have a brother who He absolutely adored the Force Awakens and then the last shot I came out and as opposed to me where I came out of rage He he like went on Facebook and he's like it was fine You know it's better than the prequels and it's worse than all the others and then I had a few conversations with him and it took him like a week to sort of develop a little bit and then he would later post on Facebook, but he thinks it's in the series and and We're still on like in agreement on that to this day And I think that he hates the last Jedi a little more than I do just because of how much he loved The Force Awakens compared to me And so just that that that kind of disappointment really will affect your ability to enjoy a film I Think with the with the Force Awakens Certainly for me. I had a kind of naive confidence in JJ Abrams and and the story that they were gonna tell, you know, it was like, okay There's certain pieces of this puzzle that are missing here There's lots of things that aren't explained very well, but it's okay. I have confidence in them You know, they've got a clever story worked out and they'll deliver with part two and three and I Was able to sort of suspend that that kind of Niggling voice that said this isn't correct. This isn't a little one voice Niggling oh, okay I was actually gonna say we should probably read this out before he scans over it The guy called Martin Zika, I guess on Twitter said I think some people are raging because something they invested two years into literally did not Mean anything as of now video video raise parents Snoke It's all nothing TLJ is a subverting experience and sort of a meta mirror to Star Wars craze So what's funny about this actually that I think that a lot of people might miss is that I don't know that Ryan Ryan had his own story to tell that couldn't fit in a plot line about raised parents doing x y and z that couldn't fit in Snoke's history Have you heard the argument a lot of people saying like oh, what do you want a scene where someone goes? Hey Snoke who your parents? Where are you from? What were you doing? That'd be terrible They're like 20 minutes of exposition and I think that there might be a degree to that with Ryan where he was just like I don't need to do that It's not of room in my in my amazing film as it is but a lot of people interpret that as it was genius He took what we expected and flipped it on its head It's a meta art film about the the world in which Star Wars takes place We covered movie Bob not so long ago, and he can't stop fucking talking about the meta narrative Meaning how the film translates to what's going on in life right now Like what's going on in our world is outside of the film. It's just Jesus Christ people Can we just talk about in the film if there's anything that's guaranteed to make a film enjoyable and successful? It's shoving 21st century politics into it and making loads of commentary on our present-day world and culture Like you could have done that. You could have done it. Well lactic Empire without Donald Trump I mean, yeah You can absolutely take take a film and then you can interpret it in a way to like Sort of drive some social commentary yet. That's not going to change my experience when I view the film But that's not what I see What I what I see is just crap And it's funny because you talk about like the whole involving politics and stuff my conclusion from TLJ was Oh, the Republic allowed slavery to take place and the the first orders just taken them over So hopefully they'll abolish it or maybe offer a route in terms of like a job and shelter and food in the In the form of joining galactic, you know armed forces Maybe they'll do something for the you the universe. We've we've been over this on previous eFAS I just love the fucking fact that the kid is so pro rebels when just yesterday the Republic were in charge And he was a slave like why the hell would he he liked the Republic? Why would he like the rebels have just the rebels have just come in and trashed the The place where he works and like set free all these animals that he's gonna have to like clean up after and he's just They've basically made a whole bunch of work for him and made his life worse And I'll be generous the child could see through the propaganda As children are doing children are very very skeptical You could see the deeper themes. That's that's the thing generous in my video and just assumed that Like like the take away we have from this is that the blah blah blah, but it's just like no It's just a blatant fuck up that the kid has the understanding of the audience The kid for some reason is privy to all the information we have like why would he be? Why would he know all of the complex politics of the universe other than first order of just Destroyed the new republic the new republic. That's his that's his power. It's force understanding. It's a bullshit Some might even call it force perspective Save the the horses leave the children He's the one slave child that reads the the galactic news network Do you remember uh, some people be like they couldn't have fit all the kids onto the the the ship But it's like so leave them all Like you could If we can't save them all like there's a bus falling off like a fucking freeway It's like you can't get them all out. Let them go Like oh okay Ah like a horse drawn carriage dangling over the cliff so you save the person Save the horses Johnson wishes do not matter your preconceived notions of things to come don't count What you think is important is not important Martin zeke me what's important tweet and said it perfectly the last jedi is a subverting experience and sort of a meta mirror That's the birdie mean That's the thing you got to step outside the content to defend tljakes. How bad the content is Very like it's a meta thing. It's a mirror. It's physics. I don't know Desperately clawed any buzzword. It's a meta narrative meta narrative phase We want epic resolutions to things we find epic right when we think something is of great importance We expect an equally epic moment of closure, but it turns out being shitties even better Was it not epic to have ghost luke fired upon by an army of 8080s? I don't know a bunch of delusional 8080 pilot I think what i want to get that is that 2019 is it just the 2019 dust off your shoulder bullshit, which is so Oh god, like in 15 20 years what kid's gonna be like. Oh, yeah, that's cool. No, they're not what i'm pointing out here is the He says it. That's cool tlj Kids today are like that's like you have 12 year olds being like is that like a fortnight reference? Dude, I wish I could have like snapshot my face dabbing on the haters Is is luke t posing on the empire with his default dance emote? I don't understand Have luke do the floss dance Oh god, well when you when you did the shoulder thing, I remember being like, oh okay Yeah, I was like, okay If I don't I cover what I said in my video, but that did feel kind of like luke did that like imagine obi one doing that shit man Yeah, I think that tlj people who are in favor of tlj They typically like that um that big epic scene They would they would call it epic him coming out of the smoke and dusting off his shoulder right They use that they use that that uh, they give all the time on twitter when they're defending it. That is their go-to right there That's why it's in the movie right next to defend it on twitter Right, you know what? I would not be with a cap I'm sorry. Well somebody go Jeremy. You go Jeremy Now I was just gonna say I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised if ryan johnson put that in the movie specific for twitter uh responses I mean that was his exact reasoning for it like, oh, we can do this for twitter responses Because that's in his mind right now is is anything I know that shithole will defend anything That also the line the line where luke says amazing every every word that you just said They use that too it's been posted on my videos many times I was like not a single thing I said was accurate You knew you do know I praised the movie and sit in aspects, right? No, do they actually do they actually like elaborate at oh god. No, why would they do that? Why would they make a point? fucking exactly Epic right when we think something is of great importance We expect an equally epic moment of closure the last Jedi reminds the audience that they are not in control I've been reading a lot of comments and hearing a lot of people on podcasts That's weird because I always thought I had the ability to control the events of the movies I was watching so that really um shook me Yeah, and you gotta you know when you make a movie you gotta you gotta realize you gotta dab on those haters when you're making Dude that describes ghostbusters 2016 the amount of like pre-emptive lines of dialogue that are like we know you'll hate this That's like Snoke was this super powerful being and he was supposed to be one of the most powerful force wielders ever and now he's just Yeah, what's up with that? I love how he says that like it's a great subversion Yeah, no, I can't believe it. It's just fucking stupid No, no, I think that what he's what he's doing is he's uh quoting the criticism Oh, well, I mean I guess we'll see how he responds to it at the end of the movie Can we rewind it just to like get that in context? Like just 10 seconds. Yeah, but like in in the wider context of this video That is his point that these are things that we expected because of right I guess he's trying to say that these are like reasonable intimes of expectations But having them not fulfilled isn't exactly bad. It's just a different Wait, who said he was this super powerful dude. Why do you think that did you hear that on youtube? Uh, I mean because he built him up that way you fucking hard So Do we want to present the information that implies that snook is powerful and with full resources? Hmm He does the force skype thing between kylo and rey and doesn't die from the effort Yeah, that's said to kill people like luke skywalker And and snook can just Link to other force users And he he's fine Yum bullshit. Yeah, he's he's he's in charge of the entirety of the first order Which is an even more seemingly even more powerful version of the empire For some reason they're incredibly stupid by comparison though They have they have a giant, uh, planet-sized death star That can destroy solar systems You know, I think of red light media when they talk about how how to try and trump himself like jj how um rich evans was like we'll have A Fucking jupiter sized death star at its jupiter spot will shoot and it'll destroy half of the galaxy Well, you know, it's like really puzzling about the circular basis Is there like any confirmation that it's the laser can't think and like rotate around and move because I don't think that's possible Um, which means that well, that's the whole thing get to position the horse The whole thing exactly it's like a planet. It's it's going to rotate like a planet. It's going to revolve around a sun I presume like a planet. So then basically let's say that they need to take out camino but camino is like On a totally different like it's in a totally different system and it's like super far away and Like the the star killer base in camino can never like actually line up So it'll take like 15 years. They could actually get a shot at camino I take it and it moves doesn't it it moves between systems and then it it sucks the power out of whatever star is there in order to fire its cannon Which is where you think that sucking the power out of the star would do the trick Like that would kill the planet. Oh, well, it's actually yeah good point if it's a solar system So it the temperature has got to drop to like minus 300 or something and yet, you know, there's trees on it and an atmosphere That means that in order to destroy a solar system, they destroy another solar system Just by existing like they take away the sun Imagine without the sun we'd be fucked. Yeah Yeah, you could literally just destroy the star and then all the planets in that system will just die anyway You don't have to shoot laser beams at them. I mean the only thing that it really does is it Removes people's ability to flee from the planet to go to another planet, which I would get But even then leaving it as like a ghost planet would almost be even more effective as a symbol of your power Well, the problem is that the star killer is a planet So it's not like they can control where it goes like they could with a death star. Oh, wait But I thought oh wait wait wait has to get Was it that this they mentioned that the sun regenerates. Is that a thing? That they steal the the the the power they suck out of the sun they have to wait for it to like Regenerate someone that's actually gonna fucking fact check me on this because I can't remember anymore I have to watch force awakens again The sun was gone It takes the star from the system being destroyed not a separate system. I don't think that's true Maybe Moves it with the Fuck I've forgotten how the start so because the idea is it sucks the sun up and fires a laser out of itself but I thought it fired it across like a separate one because if you look at in force awakens when it fires its cannon at at the you know the home world of the The republic there's still a star there in that system because it's daylight when it impacts the ground So that star is still intact. So it sucked the life out of some other star in a different solar system Clarify me saying the sun regenerates. I'm not saying that makes sense I'm saying that I can't remember if that was the case or not that they they say that that's the case I'm not I would never advocate that the sun can regenerate makes said story I mean if the sun like if the sun's that it stars that it consumes regenerate then At least that's all the issue of them having limited And Well, because They fire in force awakens and then they have another they're about to fire again once they find the base soon after right? Yeah, it's not that long. It's literally like I want to say like a day or something But they must have either traveled or there was two suns in the system. I can't remember I mean, I imagine like it can it can suck the power Stars from a certain distance I mean We're overanalyzing for sure, right? I just want to say because like the idea is that they had a moon In the originals and then they're like now we've got a planet and it can destroy multiple planets at the same time You're like, all right. All right. All right. Calm down. All right And everyone's concerned that JJ's going to introduce another death star in the newest one It's like well in the trailer. We've already got the ot death star at this Some people are saying it's going to rise Like there's going to be repaired and rise. I was like, oh, fuck, please There's a rumor going around. Yeah, exactly. Ray is supposed to lift it over a jaku. That was the rumor going around I mean, why not? She might as well. She can do She should snap her finger and everything should be good. That's it You know what the next the next movie should have like the next death star killer base thingy Fire laser at a planet that ray is on and then she just stops the person and redirects it and destroys it I would and then and then flicks her shoulder. Yeah And she does like a little crotch chop as well Will any of this go into the critique of a force awakens? Well, I need to the funny thing is right Once I'm done with the game of thrones next video. I'm still fucking finishing. It's taken ages I have to redraft my third part of tfa because I haven't touched that part of the script In what feels like possibly just over half a year. So It's a good chance that I need to update a lot of it And uh, yeah, I might have to look into the functionality of the fucking star killer because apparently I don't understand exactly how it works Uh, we get it. Can we get a mauler has time for 24 e-fab, but not time to finish his force awakens critique joke Can we get that going? People got pissed of me for just having a six hour stream once per week And it's like how dare you take six hours out of your week to not do editing. It's like, okay How dare you sleep This one they have an argument for but this happens once per fucking 365 days. So maybe, you know It's like it's like the argument of likes, you know, spiderman wouldn't want to take a break It's like your videos take three six. He's a hero. Heroes don't take breaks. Okay So cops soldiers paramedics firefighters doctors Oh, no, stop it. No logic But don't forget the most heroic job of all being a mother Oh That's a racism No, that's how that whole joke that's the most difficult job on the planet. I believe as it goes That's how that whole joke got started. I was I was live streaming at like three o'clock in the morning And somebody says oh Jeremy has time to live stream at 3 a.m. But he can't be on the high council I'm like high council's on tuesday. The hell's this got to do with what? Of course not. You know what so I started making this joke So every time I do anything you guys are just going to say I don't have time for it Like, you know, go to go to eat pizza. Oh, Jeremy has time to eat pizza But he has that time now it's turned into this big thing now Oh And then then when I was on the high council last week somebody said oh, Jeremy has time to be on the high council But he can't make more car videos. I was like, oh my god. Now. I can't get out of this now Everything I do I'm gonna have to answer for why I'm not doing something else, which I love by the way I just say as well. I think Apology to hello Greta. We're talking about more interesting things than his video Judge This kind of just proves how boring you really are. We can't even stay on point with your video Well, you didn't have to make this video. You could have put the title the the it's subvert your expectations That's all this fucking video is Yeah, I'm assuming there's a thrust of his argument here And we're actually gonna get a reason for this because at the moment it's just like this movie does x y and z And that's why it's good. Yeah This thrust is definitely not upward his first argument was that uh, what gave you the impression that snook was powerful It has lots of resources and would lead to something. It's like, oh, I don't know the previous film The ship carries like hundreds of thousands of people He has a planet that's been made into a wreck rags. Do you remember? You guys will love this so in the major lead debate We were like, why weren't all of the ships sent to destroy the radice the the tie fighters? Because if you remember one tie fighter destroys the hanger and the bridge So a lot of tie fighters would mean the destruction of the radice and his response was how do you know That they didn't only have four tie fighters at the time And rags says in the end of the film we see at least like 11 chasing the millenium falcons So we know for a fact that there's at least 11 and then major lee's argument was yeah But that's after they were destroyed by holders maneuver Do you I know I know everyone's quiet because you're thinking yeah, I was gonna say you should be laughing That makes no fucking sense at all Because even I even I am I still kind of think about That logical progression it made sense enough to him for him to say it out loud to get to simplify it for you I'd like why did you fire only one bullet in your in your gun with 30 shots? And it's like well, maybe you only had one bullet and I go later they fired 10 bullets It's like yes, but that was after the gun was dropped on the floor It's fucking amazing. That's all I'm gonna say After after after what we did to major lee on his video on the high council I I nothing he says surprises me in the amount of stupidity that comes out of his mouth When I think this is proof that if you go through enough mental gymnastics You just lose all sense of what's up and down and you don't know where you're at anymore with a movie You can at least you know when people say like themes I actually understand what they're trying to achieve with their argument But when you what major lee said about that like I don't understand how he thought that was an argument So I went I'm on the the wookiepedia For the supremacy And you can look up it you can look up all kinds of things like the compliment which is eight star destroyers two docked internally Two star destroyers inside the inside of it. Yes Our two Docked star destroyers inside their backups for the compliment of sick that are docked externally It was the average tie fighter count on a star destroyer. Oh, do you really want to know it's gonna be like a hundred thousands We'll go down this rabbit hole So the crew So who wants to guess what the crew of the supremacy is in terms of one? I'm gonna go big one million one million. I'm going with two million guesses we got guesses I'm gonna say five hundred thousands. All right We're going with a million. I think the million is the number to be at. Okay j Got a guess I'll say jl because j is already taken jl Oh, wait We're we're are you the supremacy and the last jedi so the fucking enormous Ships that got split in half. We're taking guesses on what the crew Whether what the personnel it takes to operate how many people are on that ship? Do you have a guess Fuck like maybe like a hundred and fifty thousand Okay, so according to wukipedia it is Two million Two million two hundred and twenty five thousand Of course it is Two thirds of my entire state's population are on this one spaceship I mean Can we do is there is there a count for tai fighters? I want to do a guess for that as all Oh, let me take a look. I'm gonna guess 10 000 for tai fighters Well, I'm I'm taking a look we've got it just as personal the personnel includes stormtroopers first-order officers fleet engineers elite praetorian guards stuff like that um Let me see 10 000s too much. I don't know Cause that's the thing if there are Well, the The When you think about it though It doesn't matter how many tai fighters there are because they can't cover them when they're that far ahead and they might potentially lose one or two Oh, you're right. You're right. The first order is not willing to accept. God forbid they lose a tai fighter It's not like losing a single tai fighter I did a little google search A star destroyer is apparently it has six squadrons of 12 ships. So that's 72 tai fighters per star destroyer So that means that of them. Yes. So we've got eight Of them. So eight times 72. Well, wait, but this this what is it called the supremacy? How big is it compared to a star destroyer? That's just star destroyers and what they carry. So here's one on how many tai fighters can the supremacy carry um How many tai fighters can the supremacy? Oh, there's a big old all those big old pictures from like a wiki page or something Um unprecedented scale. You got that right um Ship of legends data. Um, I would have to look further into it Well, I would uh, I would love it if the guy from the not so great debate if you could put those kind of numbers to him and just say Why didn't they use them? What would be his answer? The the fun thing is with the stuff like this Yeah, that and you get to the point where it's almost like don't do this to them So at the of its star destroyer compliment it carries 576 tai fighters um, and obviously there would be more if it's the supremacy the supremacy would obviously carry a vast array because if it has the docking capability for multiple star destroyers To clarify rags. They have more than four They do have more than four. They have my god. They have at least 576. So why the fuck did they said four? Because um, it was lunch break Like the supremacy you you understand right that if you if you put this to ryan johnson his response would be like Yeah, you know, um They weren't uh, you know, there's a lot of there's a lot of things to consider during a war like there's A lot of back and forth. There's a lot of um It's very mentally stressful situation. They did send out like scouts and they decided that it would be much safer and much better approach to lock in their enemies It's so it's weird like on quora. There's a question that says, um, a resurgent class Should have 72 of them because there's two wings, which means there's 12 resurgent class with the supremacy That means the first order had 864 tie fighters to throw at the ratus Which is 300 more than just our star destroyer low ball guesstimate. So we got 864 tie fighters here um Let's see I Looking for an answer here because they're wondering why the question is essentially what happened to the first order's fighter comp Because there should be close to a thousand of them depending on how you want to tally them up Do you think Uh gram of talking killed more people on alderaan or do you think holdo killed more people in her maneuver? Um two million people aboard the supremacy by itself plus, you know, however many hundreds of thousands are in all those various star destroyers That's a pretty hefty number. You've got to be getting close to three million. I guess it depends on how big alderaan is apparent what what's what interesting here is that the answer here that's got the most upvotes It's fucking retarded Um, we still don't know exactly what kind of depth the first order military has It's a first-rate technological power But what kind of casualties can it absorb in terms of manpower or material? We still don't know We do know that its tie fighters have shields This suggests that it cares about force preservation hux's behavior during the battle Likewise indicate he's concerned about the possibility of losing ships or absorbing damage. This is retarded No, no, no. This is absolutely retarded. We can destroy the basically the only enemy that we have Right here. We can just do it. We can do it. Oh, but we might lose some people if you have Well, what was the number two point two million people just one ship two point two million people You've probably got some form of a repair slash mechanic station for everything as well as medics I seriously fucking doubt you can sustain two point two million people unless you have some investment in the many different Running elements of a culture a society. There's no fucking way. There's no doctors in the stormtrooper element like come on I always got the impression from the the movie that like in that scene where hux tells the Kylo to pull back. He's not concerned about the loss of Tie fighters. It's more Kylo Ren that he's trying to keep safe But again, it doesn't make sense why he would want to keep him safe. That's true. Actually the defenders of this question are insane Um, they say uh, the reason they declined to deploy them and called back Kylo Ren squadron three three Which three ship three tie fighters, right? Uh, is because the fighters would have been completely unsupported, which is a waste of good pilots The fighters didn't uh, that's baffling how you could say that Why why send why send for in the first place though? Why send for in the first place? Why haven't army? Why haven't army even haven't army world war two like closing in on hitler's bunker? And it's like well, you know, we could try and rush in and capture him But uh, well we might lose a few of our comrades in the process So we can't have that Okay, it says the fighters didn't have weapons capable of doing more than surface damage to the radis Surface they docked out the bridge on the hangar What the hell one one salvo destroyed All of the enemy ships on the inside and a second one destroyed the entire bridge This is they they breach the hull once they've done that you can do that to the whole fucking ship I mean, yes, the shields are on the front. Just attack everything attack the engines go for the fucking engines This is about to go for the fucking engines There's something I wondered about the the radis as well Like they the bridge gets destroyed obviously quite early on But then when holdo takes command of it and she she hyperspace jumps into the the supremacy She seems to be on the bridge. He's obviously to back up bridge. Yep two bridges makes total sense They just look pretty much identical Two bridges. Why wouldn't you build a backup bridge in your ship? There's a it's weird when I google this question. There's a lot of people asking this question Because it makes me fucking sad Um, um to answer your question. I looked it up in the chat confirmed it, but uh, Alderaan has two billion people Uh, so grandma of talking does have a higher kill count than uh, our wonderful people head fucking Oh, well, people are talking about they could catch the chance She's stunning and brave more stunning and brave, you know, yeah to sustain a ship with the amount of manpower as the Supremacy like they would have to have kind of their own economy on that ship. Yes with two million people You're gonna have do you imagine living on there? They'll be like there'll be areas that are a quarter million people That's insane. What are they eat? How do you travel from one end to the other? Is there like a system of like a trade? Well, let me go back Okay, so the width of the supremacy Uh 60.5 thousand meters. So it's 60 and a half kilometers long What what possible reason is there to build a ship that big exactly why the fuck is it that but it People will argue to you it represents the affluence of the first order and the like Pompositary Pompositary, I think that's the word of so does a thousand star destroyers. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's the thing Snuggles dumb regs and star destroyers all across the galaxy and do a whole bunch of different things You've got the supremacy. It can only be in one place at one time doing one Yeah, but snook is stupid and he buys things that are expensive and he shows off how awesome he is with his gold Suppers and gold even though he managed to rise from the fucking ashes of the of the empire An organization that was incredibly Like intelligent compared like I don't understand how any of that works If I was the resistance and I saw the supremacy I'd be like, oh, thank fucking god. They did that All right, everyone off the ship. We're gonna kamikaze it and blow up the entire enemy ship with one of our tiny little shitty ones You say that but they knock out like fucking eight of the stupid little ones in one shot as well Yeah, instead of just a thousand small smaller star destroyers with the same amount of manpower Let's just put all of our manpower in one ship In that way if if someone somehow manages to take out the ship We're fucked You've just reminded me as well by the way the dreadnought either is it it doesn't have any particularly heavy weapons or anything like that No, I don't think so Which is interesting. I don't know. Um, so they have a list of armament heavy ion cannons tractor beam projectors first order drop ships Um, a whole complement of armored transports Mega caliber walkers scout transports. Oh, they even have snokes escape shuttle listed Um, that's what to say. Don't forget snokes escape shuttle. Yeah, that's my favorite You guys do get that that was invented on the spot. They were like, fuck Ray's gonna get out of here How the fuck is she gonna do that? Uh, she could fly down to the planet. No, we probably can't do that twice Just like didn't even and she didn't even use it to fly Down onto the planet. She some had this was crazy. She somehow because the wiki actually says For the for his shuttle That she abandoned it in the wreckage of the fleet To get I guess picked up by the millennium falcon She didn't take it out of the plane So she got into an escape pod inside the escape shuttle to enter the millennium falcon with chewing. Well, she she transitioned from The escape shuttle snokes escape shuttle to the millennium falcon at some point between the supremacy in the planet I I wish that shut I wish we'd got a scene of her on that escape shuttle And it'd been like Jeff Goldblum's pleasure barge in Thor Ragnarok Like she's trying to use like the hyperdrive and it starts setting off fireworks and like pole dancing things come down from the ceiling and stuff No, she would have been great. She lined up the escape shuttle with cockpit and then flew through a vacuum of space just like Leia did into the millennium falcon. That's what she did And it even says here hux was shown extremely upset that they were unable to get the radice immediately during the chase So all of this this whole oh, they're just being villainous and Flounting their power by not destroying immediately. He's like no hux was upset. They couldn't blow it up immediately He wanted to blow it up immediately Because the supremacy is a big ship that doesn't move very fast whenever you discuss tlj There's just infinite problems like you just constantly find more and it's like insulting to the fucking Just everything like your brain can't take it. It's just like oh, fuck. This doesn't make so this doesn't make so this was People are suggesting it's like, yeah, you know ray could have just forced flown down to the planet I mean Leia did it. It's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why not? That's it. It's like you said with the with them inventing the the pod It's like that's everything everything about this entire sequel trilogy was just invented on the spot. There was no communication. There was no Uh, you know jj ryan, you guys sit down and talk and let's talk about continuity within the films And let's discuss how we want to get to the to the third act of the trilogy. Let's discuss all no none of that happened It's just like hey show up and let's figure out ideas because The just star wars tyler's mask man. It's like jay just like this mess is so cool It's like a ripoff vader. He's like a he's like a fan boy. It's so cool ryan's like this mask is gay I'm gonna crush it boom done and the next film. He's like no i'm gonna repair it. Fuck you And that's what i said i've made that point on my channel multiple times We're basically jj and ryan johnson are in like an m&m eight mile rap battle with this movie You know like jj had his set up then ryan's like i don't like what jj did I'm fixing to flip everything that jj did now jj's like, oh well colin's fired Let me go and and flip everything back the way i want it because that's pretty much all this is a pissing contest between two Beta male if only if only there was like a president of lucas film who had some kind of control over these movies And was able to say you know we've got a story arc that we figured out and you guys are gonna stick to it And you're just the instruments of that dude to be a fly on the wall where ryan johnson presents his script and they go Oh, this is shit We are talking about the the the woman that allowed solo to become 90 done before she decided to go Yeah, hey, what what exactly they have going on on that movie? I don't like any of this. Let's fire those guys jeremy if you if you were like Producer in charge or director of all of it and stuff and ryan presented his first draft to you What what exactly would you have said if you were in a good professional relationship? What would you say? I said, okay ryan, how did you come to these conclusions based on what we are? I need you to make me understand I need you to make me understand how you came to these conclusions based on The two hour and 15 minute movie That you have to work within the structure of You know give me some type of logic I'll just say this the the stupid throwaway line with scapegoat is lame But it's it is preferable to her just appearing on the planet without us knowing how she got there like right Oh, definitely I will take it. I will take it. We will be talking about how it doesn't make sense in instead of a plot hole It's a plot convenience or contrivance. Oh, he just has a magic knee brace from the dark knight rises It's still shit, but it's it's it's yeah Bruce is limping around puts on the magic knee brace and kicks down a fucking wall How does he kick bane's ass later on in the movie when he doesn't have the knee brace Does does he not have it? Are you sure they took it off him? I'm pretty sure that they didn't take it off of his His entire suit could have been the the magic suit brace. Oh the suit Jesus Christ no no What really amazes me is the way that he defeats bane is he decides to do this really smart strategy called punching him right in the fucking mouth Yeah, you think that might hurt considering he's got this metal components to us about but don't do that in the first fucking fight Wait, are you saying that your primary question about the dark knight rises is how does his knee grow? Oh Have you guys I didn't see that you've seen the campia clip, right? He actually showed it on uh, I think I was able to show it on here A name the fuck it. Yeah, John can't be a but has he actually made any public comments about that I don't think so. Has he been like, yeah, that was a fuck up. Sorry about that Hmm Well, it just shows it just shows how how dishing genius he is when he said Oh, I love that name because he was gonna say that no matter what the name was just to kind of say because he didn't realize What he was saying he's just being a douchebag. Uh, oh, that's so funny. I love that that clip exists I've been caught on a similar uh play on words in in the past So I have to be very careful on my super chats. Can I um, oh, definitely. Yeah. Well, it's it's I'm not saying It cannot happen to someone who cares about their fans However, when you're reading super chats in the in the fake sort of like la la la la la la la la la la la Like like without actually caring about what they're actually saying you'll just read something and be oblivious to what the actual Thing is Uh, and it just makes sense to me that John camp you would read it off and be golden about it It's like that's funny that you said that moving on. It's like, oh man Oh, yeah, I'm sure that piss was fucking overjoyed at that reaction Uh, I want to highlight at some point at some point says dark night rises. He's coming up at some point on the e-fap You need to just go through bane posting and just look at all the memes because I mean, I'm sure you've all seen him before But they're the greatest things ever So I wanted to highlight by the way that it makes sense for the e-fap 24 hour e-fap in general that uh, we are Almost one and a half hours in and we've made it through One minute and 10 seconds Every frame of fucking paul is am I right? I think this speaks more to how boring grito is In the pathetic defense Of the last Jedi when is the defense of the last Jedi not pathetic rags? It's just so interesting How people will see this happening And the the honest question being asked is like there are like hundreds a hundred thousands 15 I think that in the film there are 15 star destroyers with the supremacy And they're like oh, they couldn't give their fighters. So they just work is like you have 15 Imagine the You were like on your you a thread bear like in terms of you were about to quit working at lucas film They're like, okay, so uh, the snook has this giant super star destroyer thing. Okay. Okay. It can dock Six or eight star destroyers like Okay, it has two inside of it. You're like, no, I'm fuck this Look, how about I can't stab this shit anymore. You just you just make it shut up. Everything keeps getting bigger Why can't we focus on characters? Just there are consequences to the things that you create in your fictional world Inside the story weapons and ships of this magnitude That means that they will have an impact on things that want to have those things dead You know, we've seen on the supremacy is this big and it has all of this stuff and all these things But this little bitty radish ship Just can't they just can't kill it. What's the fucking point of the ship? What is the purpose of your army exactly you have two and a quarter million people twiddling their thumbs on that ship wondering Why are we here? Oh, we have to destroy them. They're going to destroy the first order. They want to kill us. Why are we not killing them? What do you mean? We've been told to wait and stand down Why why there are two and a quarter million of us I like the idea you highlight all this population of a nation if you just joined their rebellion, right? And you find out so what do we have it's like we have one big ship and 400 people. Okay. What do they have? About five million See that big one the big one that shaped like a fucking dildo. Yeah, that's got that's got two and a quarter million people on it Just that one and there's 15 star destroyers Oh, let me see how many people are on a star destroyer. That's just what they have in that particular I was gonna say we don't know that that's the full force of the first order There would be no reason for that to be the full force because they wouldn't said every literal unit after a 400 person man ship That's ridiculous. So I just love the idea that it's like. All right. So what's our strategy? It's like give up Give up give up give up. Yeah, you know the fucking thinking face. You're like, hmm 400 versus Oh, my goodness. Okay every This is a resurgent. I'm sorry star destroyers are the new one the they have complement Obviously cruisers ground vehicles troop transport. Do they have star destroyers inside them? They can berth And so the crew there are 19,000 officers 55,000 enlisted men and over 8,000 storm troopers For a grand total of fucking lots This is what I mean times 15 There's being the underdog and then there's being like, oh, we're just a speck of dust in the universe You know, it's like the the first order they've shown that they can get a bigger death star They can get bigger star destroyers bigger at at's, you know, they haven't Bigger at sts. They should just make a giant at st And then call the cosmic chicken. Oh fuck that dude make a giant emperor He's just a giant spaceship a sized emperor that electrocutes the universe Kind of what they showed in the force awakens with snooze hologram It's not just about losing men if the idea if the if the pathetic Tism defense of your stupid shit movie Is that they're concerned. They're so concerned about losing their men This is the final battle This will destroy the resistance. They won't exist anymore after this And if they don't exist, they can't fuck your shit up Like four days ago, they blew up your star killer base and rags think about it think in reverse You're 400. It's not a lot 400 in a war That's all they got left on the rebel side They don't seem to give a shit about the the loss of their bed, whatever They just send them off into battle. They get obliterated. They're like, oh, well Go go jump into these speeders and ram the giant laser. Hopefully that'll work You'll get fucking shot down. It's like, oh, well, you know It's just just the most basic Machiavellian principle. Just make it go in be quick Get the job done. Just get it over with. Just do it This is the final battle that you will ever possibly need for god knows how long if this Is the last remnant of the only military force that even approaches something that's a concern to you Crush it Just just do it. It doesn't matter if you lose every single tie fighter. What if they lose a tie fighter? It's just insane. And what are they gonna do is like what what is what how are you gonna lose a tie fighter exactly? I think it's just a perfect example of the the fundamental building blocks of your story are completely wrong They're just completely flawed and everything that builds on top of that is just gonna be equally wrong to um Almost echo what brown table said earlier about resources It's like you could tell that jj was sort of supplementing Intimidation from the first order not building it through Let's say character. Let's say Even the way they're shot stuff like that. He's just like no, there's just fucking loads of them You're like, okay, that is pretty intimidating. There's a lot of them So when it comes into war scenarios, we're like, oh, so what do we know? They have this many and jj is suddenly like Well There's not that many right now Like what do you mean? It's like, well, I can't make my war scenario work The way I want it to if there's that many and you're like, yeah And the same for Ryan It's the same each time. It's just like suddenly there's not that many, you know in venus to jj though If you guys remember when they first go on to the um in force awakens when they go on to the the planet killer Fucking whatever when the tie fighter is the first alerted and sent there's like a fucking swarm of them Same for rogue one when they sent out to defend that random, you know transport planet or whatever For some reason tlj is the only one as far as I know where the first order slash the empire are like Reserved with the amount high fires No, i'm wrong The only other time is in the ot where they pretend to attack the millennium falcon. They send how many was it four When they're trying to pretend to assault them when they're serious about it in tlj. They said how many four Fucking hell these It's well, it's like it's the same in force awakens when um, they're tracking down Bba and he's he's their ultimate objective He's got this information that they need to secure and they send one squad of storm troopers and two tie fighters To to track him down like you could send Thousands upon thousands of troops and swarm the entire planet, but we need to give The the protagonists like a an easy way out of just like a small force that they can easily overcome and then get away from Just again, just lazy bad writing. Do you believe that like just to re re melt my brain? like they're they're assaulting a freighter class ship With a force to imply They want to get at them and they only send for because they don't actually want to destroy them And then when it comes to actually assaulting a full-on This is the largest capital ship in the history of the republic. I think that was said by somebody at some point the radis um They sent for when they're legitimately trying to destroy it Like what it does that not sum up the difference between the empire in the first order well The only thing that comes to mind there is when They do go to try and destroy it when kylo rend leads the attack. Is that an unauthorized attack? Perhaps like hux was not aware that he was going to do that but he well hux only caused him back because it's dangerous Yeah, and I thought that played into that It's like you shouldn't even be there in the first place launching this attack. We didn't authorize this Back though. Why are they launching? Yeah, it's still it's still nonsense But like my my takeaway from that scene was that kylo did it on his own initiative because he Was angry and he wanted to prove himself And it's funny because most people refer to kylo as one of the most inept members of the first order But at least in that moment he showed some initiative I mean if you if you see an opportunity That is this Golden that is this perfect You you capitalize on that Well, you decide this is this isn't like it's one in a long series of moves That will be that is part of a larger conflict like no This is the final stroke that will secure everything for you I think it it's this idea that uh You know military commanders on a tactical level. They have to take the initiative a lot of the time Exactly like bolded when he took on the dreadnought, you know You don't always obey orders from higher up because they don't have the the kind of on the ground facts that you have Yeah, and I'm funny enough to take the initiative to echo civil war then why I love civil war It's like um if po made those decisions, then he was reprimanded you'd be like why did you make those decisions? It's like well, there's a lot of logical reasons why he made those decisions. Yes people died But that's war and like it ultimately led to a Positive result to some degree like the wheel he has to take responsibility for his actions Ultimately though, I think they were the absolutely the best actions he could take um Comparatively if we were all on the bridge and we'd found out we can track the enemy that's in one big ship That's got 400 people on it. We're about to transport our entire three million man army Onto them. What would you like to do is your first step? Would you like to follow them slowly? Or would you like to obliterate them with our armies? It's like hmm Follow them. It's almost like if you see an enemy soldier standing in front of you And you have your sights trained right on him And he's just standing there and at any point you can pull the trigger and kill the enemy soldier and win the war and you just don't And this comes back to ultimately Well, I don't want the bullet to get hurt. This is cognitive dissonance and it kills immersion for such a huge portion of the audience You're watching you just like fuck me. I can't believe people are this stupid This is impossible. It makes it even more interesting to think about is that we haven't even talked to single time To my knowledge about them just sending a star destroyer in front of the rat us This is all We haven't even talked about the the obvious It's funny. There's so many ways that tlg fucks up so many ways I just I always loved that the the not so great debate where you mentioned that to the You know the guy you were debating and said to him look Can you acknowledge that that's a flaw because you could have just sent a bunch of star destroyers around And in front of the rat us and cut them off at the pass and he's like, yeah, okay I finally I'll acknowledge that it's a problem and you're like, okay Well, the problem is the entire movie is predicated on that So that's like nothing. Yeah, nothing functions in the movie You think that with like millions of people at their disposal one of them would say oh wait, I have an idea Oh, yeah, that's right Warp drive exists. Just where are the stakes in your story if ever? Fun Well, yeah, that's the thing what generates stakes often is rules If you have no rules like well, fuck it Like what I mean by rules is like star destroyers will Use hyperdrive to their advantage. They will use weapons their advantage They will use tithe fighters their advantage So you have to knock all of that out of your head in order for everything generally You just assume that each side in a war wants to win the war and they will do things that will Necessitate or help facilitate their victory Unless it's the first order in which case you're like lol, I don't know we're in space A whole overall problem with the first order is it it doesn't have any identity outside of it's a cheap knockoff of the empire Yeah Yeah, what shouldn't rewatching the ot the empire with badass And they had structure they had an identity and it felt like a real military organization And the first order has no identity. They're not intimidating and they don't feel well structured It feels like a bunch of children running around imitating the empire in a very bad way is what it feels like The original battlefront games playing as a stormtrooper was cool Their generals get in a way their generals get bitch slapped around with the force in front of their Yes, that was a classic example of of the first order right there Not something you do by the way Not something you do if you're gonna undermine the authority of your own people That's a great way to do it. I mean to be fair. Leia does slap Poe in front of everyone too. So yeah, that's dumb It's no better. They're consistent. It's consistent. They're both statistically bad on both ends with the with the rebellion It's like children Well, see this is the thing people might reference vader having killed people it's like no no no He's knocking them out of order like he's basically saying these people are so shit. I'm gonna replace them I kill them not humiliate them in front of the whole Fucking team that allow them to continue Because when he kills somebody in front of the person the next the next man up, he's letting that guy know Yeah, you're on you're on a short time if you if you fuck with me I talked about in my efa part two She's quite a good then a good system of you know punishment and reward almost But in terms of like botched cloning that's like talking about in part two of my tfa thing There's like that seems to me like a botched clone. It's like vader kill people So let's have snow can knock thingy around. It's like you don't notice you've missed everything about why this And not to mention that snow can use force powers to that degree from I guess You This comes back to grito saying where's the implication that snook is powerful It's like, I don't know that that seems like it's a pretty amazing thing to be able to do But what do I know? Especially because when you think about it the distance between snook's actual location and where huxes on the bridge Could literally be dozens and dozens and dozens of kilometers. Yeah We already know you can do force at any distance. He fucking connected kylo and ray Well, I think it's it's even interesting to um listen to um ryan johnson's take on what hux was as a character because he Listened to an interview with him when he was talking about it and he was like, yeah I find hux kind of funny and I thought we'll just kind of make him the the comic relief In this story and that's why he he gets, you know, these comedy prat falls where he gets his head slammed into the deck or You know kylo ren kind of throws him across the room um But hux isn't really a comedy character when you see him in force awakens. He's a pretty serious officer And he's a pretty good Well, even if you um take away the force awakens entirely The idea that you want to turn the bad guy general into a joke Is probably not a wise mood for setting up their potency or their efficiency Isn't this kind of like symptomatic of us being distraught like all the edge is gone instead of I kind of think so. Yeah. Well, I remember reading kolo instead instead of killing people The Basically just hates them and turns into a slapstick gag There were threads from I remember reading between people who loved the film and there were people saying like I kind of wish that uh, do you guys remember the the general at the beginning who's like barking orders and he's standing tall He's actually captain canady. Yeah, he's in game of thrones. He was like a one of the Wilder people or whatever outside it in the in the in the reach. I think it was um people saying like I would have preferred if he was hux. It's like it's pretty obvious Why because not only is he like he points out the stupid of the first order? He's like we should have released our fighters five minutes ago or something like that He also when he's about to die He just stands tall. He's like, well, I'm dead. I've been defeated as opposed to what would you expect hux to do? He's probably go. Oh, no, no, no, no. Let's start crying and crawl away. You'll be like, uh, yeah Like the other problem is that angry the ridiculous age of the characters like hux is No more than 30 years old by the looks of him and he's in control of the entire military Whereas you go back to the original trilogy. All of the senior commanders are guys in their 50s or 60s They obviously had to rise up to that rank and it makes actual generals who started at the bottom and work their way up Consider it would be like now if an admiral of the u.s. Navy was like 25 years old or something like is It's ludicrous. You look at hux and you're like that couldn't ever be a storm trooper And considering ramov talking screen time and how much he's like the most people still remember him is like the best non-force using empire unit Well, and then the the movie even acknowledges that Outright say, oh, you know a rabid Can be a quite a sharp tool when used properly or whatever Right. Basically the idea is he's he's a useful idiot and the film acknowledges this and it's like No, that's that's moronic. You don't make a useful idiot the general He's not even a useful idiot though. That's the thing. He's just an idiot Useful People use that as a counter. They're like, haha, the film acknowledges that hux is incompetent. It's like, why would you have someone incompetent? Is the general of your whole army? Hey mauler in classic efap. I was only going to come off about 20 or 30 minutes and roast grito And I'm here for almost two hours. So I'm gonna bounce and uh, you send me a link and I will definitely join you guys later Oh, use the same link you use the same. It'll be the same link. All right It was a pleasure being on here with all of you. Nice to meet some of you that I've met for the first time and Enjoy not roasting grito We we spent more than one and a half type of a normal podcast people run on youtube not talking about this video Uh, we should just we should try and blast through this in one go and then talk about it at the end. Oh, yeah, I Shot me a tweet and said it perfectly the last Jedi is a subverting experience and sort of a Meta mirror to the star wars craze We want epic resolutions to things we find epic, right? When we think something is of great importance, we expect an equally epic moment of closure The last Jedi well, I mean this you could say that in the sense that you have the um, the soviet union Obviously the ussr was perhaps a fairly epic and powerful force in the world clearly was But its end was almost subtle disappointing in a sense It was if like if the ussr was a movie villain Then the way that it was defeated would probably be seen as not epic But that's where things like drama and characters and focus of stories might come in If you were going to make a movie based around the fall of the soviet union Then it would have to rely heavily on the drama surrounding Certain characters and politics and things like that And so if he's going to go on the idea that well, maybe there aren't epic ends to seemingly epic things Like well, you're going to have to make those ends compelling in some other alternative way that makes sense It reminds the audience that they are not in control I've been reading a lot of comments and hearing a lot of people on podcasts and whatnot say stuff like You haven't been reading and you haven't been watching podcast bullshit I think he got comments on his videos being like atlg shit though. And he's like no Yeah, you met him here Snow was the super powerful being and he was supposed to be one of the most powerful force wielders ever And now he's just dead. Wait, who said he was this super powerful dude? Why do you think that did you hear that on youtube? Maybe don't read too deep into things Maybe don't build up the epicness of a character when you don't know anything about said character Same goes with the lightsaber that luke chucks over his shoulder We All right, he said he said we don't know anything about snoke I want to clarify we we know quite a bit. We know that he's the reason that um kylo turned to the dark side Because leia said snoke got to him first We know that he rose the first order from the empire We know that he destroyed the jedi essentially like he quelled luke skywalker's attempt to reignite the jedi And he's the reason the republic had been destroyed And we know he's he's able to use force powers to an extent that killed luke skywalker after just you know a couple of minutes She's able to do that. I'd say that's a lot of information when you Yeah Yeah He put a lot of importance on that lightsaber when it comes to the mythology of star wars That lightsaber is the holy grail to us It is a sacred relic passed down generation to generation But to a character who actually wielded it. It's just a thing a thing. No, um, so fun. I love it. Just be a thing You know how I was saying that the kid was privy to information that we we have even though he shouldn't be This is an example of the opposite The luke was given that lightsaber by obi one and it was owned by his father Probably one of if not the most important object in the universe to luke Yeah I've seen arguments that's like, hey man, this this lightsaber was used to kill yuglings. Of course luke told you it's like, um I don't know that's nonsense I don't know about that Just no, I mean if if all you were trying to accomplish in the script was to have him You know refuse to accept it You could have had him You know hand it back or throw it away in dramatic fashion like he really contemplates it for a minute and then Decides like he's not going to take up that that weapon again That's fine But to have him just throw it over his shoulder like it means nothing is it's awkward I'm doing that. I've always thought of the the easy fix is to have it slowly drop out of his hands All to the floor. I think it would be way more effective too Yep, and it wouldn't it wouldn't come off as you know like a like a joke And make it look like luke didn't necessarily deliberately drop it even have him react to it sort of like oh, fuck That's that's what that is. I I would have loved is if he ignited it and then pointed it out right and said Who the hell are you and why are you here? I think it would have been more in keeping with the the mindset he had at that point of like Wanting to to shut himself away from everything. What happened to his green light saber? It died of shame Well, what's interesting too is that if you come if you go here To the most unfindable place in the galaxy or whatever bullshit And someone just shows up with your lightsaber I'm like i'm not just going to throw it away and walk away Like someone went through a huge amount of efforts to get here despite my best attempts Yeah And anyway like it does he think that like if he just throws it away and then walks off She's going to be like oh, well, I tried Yeah, like obviously he knows that like she's He's outraged that Ray doesn't realize he came there to die I saw that like that hasn't quite sunk in for me still Luke Skywalker ran off after his His best friend's sister's son went nuts to go and die Okay, yeah, all right. That's Luke Skywalker. That's totally Luke Skywalker Yeah, but he was ready to die But the um the green milk seaco things saved him and he realized that he had to live on for them Spiritual nourishment right like it's of the spacebar. I'd want to you know, like if I was ray I don't like slap luke be like shut the fuck up. What the hell are you talking about? Wait, what do you mean came here to die? Who the fuck are you? Wake the where's who are you and where's the real luke? Jesus Christ. Well, actually if I was ray bucket, I would have just left I wouldn't need his help ray can just dominate Yeah, if I was ray, I'd be like, oh, I can literally not fail the universe will bend itself towards my success the scene that always stuck with me was the um The scene where he finally kind of has to talk to her and uh, he keeps asking who she is and her first response is I'm with the resistance Not like my name is ray and I came from this planet and I found this lightsaber and I've been through all this shit And I've come here to find you it's like just the most bland like In fairness statement that you could make it was one of the most self aware moments of the film in the You'd be like, why did you come here, right? And she'd be like, uh, it's not uh, that's not in the script There's no reason i'm here I actually don't have any of this motivation that you speak of. Yeah. Why am I here? No idea. I do not know. I I don't know I've got this map thing. It said you were important. So like, you know, here I am I wanted to leave and get off jack who and the moment that I could go anywhere in the galaxy I wanted I just bummed around with these resistance guys and You know, they're all right with slavery layer is like, ah the map to my disgruntled Disgraced brother who was supposed to lead the universe into a new world and has gone off to die Here you go random stranger. Go and say hello to him What? Yeah We've been looking for him for years now, but no, you just showed up. You're some girl who showed up I mean you go do it It's weird a this character that has no ties to anyone. Um, just instantly gets liked and respected by by everybody It's almost like that's the hallmarks of a particular archetype. Um In in white savior. I think it's called a ryan craig Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's a gary stew or something. I think a mitchell gymson Pretty weird thing Connected with a time you wants to escape Important to you not important to luke. I've heard a bunch of people say it's so uncharacteristic of luke or that's not the luke skywalker I know it's not necessarily that it's important to us It's that luke is important to us and so that would carry along with it all of his motivations and the reasons for why he's doing everything he's doing Or luke wouldn't act like that really really it's been 30 years since return of the jedi 30 years I hate this fucking argument that something must have changed with those 30 years like yeah, well, we need to see it He's old Yeah, that's it's just the not so great debate guy coming back again, but he's old. I literally just said don't say because he's old Let's do a tiny little incy wincy thought exercise Imagine you could see yourself in 30 years And you didn't recognize yourself you were completely different in every imaginable way You had turned into something that you couldn't even fathom you'd recognize Don't you think that you would be owed an explanation? You like you'd be you'd be terrified like what the hell Happens in the 30 year gap Where you know a 55 year old me or whatever is Just turned into some shell some husk like what tragedy befel me that would cause this It's a very simple explanation that kind of Echoes their own point it like reflects upon them. So Their argument is oh, he's old stuff must have happened and it's like, okay. You remember how um Mark how our first term is jake skywalker So why is it that we can't just go uh in episode five of the ot that's that's luke and the next episode Luke is just chubaca That's luke now Well, well, it's been sometimes like what what the fuck do you mean? Well, that's just luke now Stuff has happened between then and then it's like why why can't every character be every character? Oh, well because characters have certain restrictions based on what they want what they value who they are We can't just interchange them. So jake skywalker can't be luke skywalker It's you just can't do that if there was an ot between These two trilogies that explain the entire journey, which I think is actually possible. It could be very fucking interesting Then we'd have a different perspective, but you just skipped it Well, and the same argument can be made the the first film in the ot trilogy just has luke see his parents die He's really upset and then he hit credits and then the the beginning of the next film begins with him fighting vader We'd be like, whoa, what the fuck? How did that happen? It's like dude, it's been like eight years things have changed Okay You're right things have changed. I just sorry. It just seems different to me Could you imagine like a lord of the ring sequel or it takes place like 30 years in And then they reveal that samwise gamgee molests his nephews or some shit He's changed fuck his vegetables. Oh sam Now you used to parable to parsnip sam what happened Well, I mean he's old He's old. Oh, it's been 30 years, you know people change Like yeah, yeah pretty years come back to this video and tell me that you're still the same person Hell because that's the argument we're making nobody changes over 30 years That's why everyone's been saying luke shouldn't change because nobody changes over 30 years. Fuck off hi this argument people The idea here is that people improve over time We get wiser we get more intelligent all of the experiences that we've garnered Impact us and help us to grow and become better people Not we just flip into a completely alien thing. That's worse than practically every way And that's a tragedy when that happens and when that I think we should be owed an explanation Oh, I'm not the same person. I was a week ago. We changed we evolved So why do some folks want the characters? I don't know if you want to brag about that I'm actually pretty convinced that he hasn't changed since the last week because he's still doing his bullshit He's sniping on twitter He means he wore a different mask a week ago Yeah, he was greedy a week ago It's just like yeah, you're not the exact same person you were a week ago But you were probably very very close You're not unrecognizable, you know Yeah, it's not like you would you would look at yourself from a week ago and thank god I was so different back then That's a week ago. Can you believe seven days of past? I'm I murdered someone a week ago, but thankfully I'm not that person anymore. But now I'm so different. I've changed Apparently doomcock wants in Oh, yeah All right, um, let us well. I swear to god. We'll get to the end of this quickly. Okay, and then I'll sort that out I swear to god They love especially characters in an ever-changing saga to remain a snapshot of their former selves We should all want the characters we love to be a layer cake not So how does he argue? Unironically that we want characters to stay the same when luke's journey in the ot is specifically about how he changes from x to y I guess they think that we want him to go through that and then stay exactly as he ended up because that's what we liked Okay, with that simple-minded. Thank you. Hello, grito. I yeah, I guess Unbindable unbreakable never-changing statues. Oh, you think this is Uncharacteristic of me mr. Audience member go write some fan fiction where I think What do you think tlj is hello, grito is fucking fan fiction I'm really intrigued to get onto this bit because I think this is this is his killer point in this whole argument Is like what what actually works about the last Jedi for him. Oh god Dells is in debasing what we know Lessening the importance of what we all think is important or the way we all think things this guy's like a shitty logic Fuck is he even saying? So like He thinks it's great because it didn't do the things that we thought were important So that makes it clever and smart and a great movie No, like see you guys. What's his argument? That's the that's what he can unload all of the criticism off on the whole thing with captain marvel You just hate women. We can take everything that you've said Disregard it and just throw it on the heap of the wagon that is up You just didn't get what you wanted. We don't have to deal with your criticisms Blah blah blah. This is part of the reason why I'd love hella burritos actually Come on to this. Listen Fetty was like this is why I drink Jesus Exactly This is why I kind of want him to come on to efap because this wouldn't hold up in like five Just watch the fucking majorly debate watch how these arguments hold up Is Should or could go no Luke doesn't have to act the way you want him to no Stop seeing that All I want is Luke to be luke. I don't care what luke does as long as he's luke Rey doesn't have to be what you want her to be no What is externally important to you is not internally important to the characters What is important to the character in the fucking trilogy? What what do they give a shit about and why? What is important to the characters is A logical progression from the last time we saw them to what they are now That is that is important to anyone who values good screenwriting. Absolutely I Does anyone disagree that characters should behave as they are portrayed? Is there anyone on this planet that disagrees with that? Except for where apparently they've aged 30 years because you could do anything that that's something I'd love to ask Heligrito could we have luke literally just Be naked flying through the universe. Could I be like well, he's old? Old imagine your parents. You know, imagine one of your parents goes missing for 30 years You have no idea what happens to them. They're missing totally gone. That a trace and then After argi was searching you finally found them and they're unrecognizable Wouldn't you want an explanation? I mean, obviously it's possible that they've turned into essentially a completely different person You don't recognize in any way, but you'd obviously would want an explanation like what happened to turn you into this Absolutely This is it's the same thing just with a character in fiction instead of your parent same thing Much emphasis on things projecting what we love what we find important Into what we think the story should find important So what should the story find important then is there any rule to that or is it just anything? Yeah We don't even have to even have to be objective here. You can just ask him. What do you think a good shory good? What's a good? You know attribute of a well-written story. Yo, what should what your ideal story the best stories? What do you think they should have? You just start bullet points logical progression of events believable outcomes stakes consistent rules Adi adi adi. Also. Yeah, so if people are curious Doomcock is interested in joining in 30 minutes from now And PSA search is also interested in joining And we've got shad coming in any moment and uh J long bonus apparently Evaporated. I don't know what happened. Oh Yeah I think I'll probably um go out. I'll drop out about 30 minutes from now if that's cool with you guys. Absolutely fine It's okay. I'm sure in that time. We'll get to the end of this fucking video. We're nearly there. We've got like 20 seconds We're almost there. It doesn't matter what we want It doesn't matter what the hell we think is important and the last Jedi holds that fact up to our faces perfect No, I'm sorry. That was it. That was does matter what you consider him That was three minutes 51 seconds of absolutely fucking nothing That diversity not shad man chat shad diversity shad man come on in Yeah, no grito. You're wrong. Hello grito out We did it Oh, that's like well, he hadn't finished yet. Now he has You should probably fix that flag before you wave it around. It's kind of disrespectful to let a flag Fly with that kind of disrepair. Yeah. Why is it all tattered? That what does that mean in america? Does that mean disrespect to the president? Taking care of the symbol of our country, which you should because it's the greatest goddamn country in the fucking galaxy You take care of that flag. Hello, grito. It means a lot There's a couple of other ones in the galaxy that I think are neat. I'm not I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying The flag doesn't need to be what you want it to be rags. Oh racist All right, it is odd though What is there deeper themes in this It's just it is kind of ironic that you have like especially In this still right here that I can clip and paste already because light shots amazing But just isn't hmm. That's just an interesting That's just interesting Oh, you mean everything you think is important is not important. There's a picture of a fucking american flag being torn to shreds For some reason It does have an interesting connotation. I don't know about that. I don't know if has any meta narrative to it I was saying Well, if I was gonna go for my video and make like here is me being patriotic and everything I wouldn't find I wouldn't take some old Dusty ass shitty looking flag and be like, no, I want this good. Well repair well maintained Excuse me. Just just point. I'm very patriotic I can tell rags. I can of course has the right to fly whatever flag he wants, of course Just take care of your flag Maybe I mean you have it. Maybe take care of it Oh, right. I got a uh All right, I'm knocking out j and Yo, sorry, I'll send these invites back and I have to some reason there's a 10 member cap on on discord I didn't know that I am I am disturbed by this outraged even All right, so we've got rags and I'm sorry. Not rags. Uh We got sitch shad. Um, and who else is coming? Yeah, the I know that gary wants to come on at some point as well. So we will be cycling. Don't worry We we have we have room. I think right now. Um, we'll like I said, we'll just play it as it comes Okay, well, I mean I can I can bounce out whenever and Rags the flags too much all night. So Hello new person Hey now. Oh god You made a video that was critical of um, star wars the fuck What am I not? Is that your territory? No What do you mean? I said I said that they handled it perfectly you you made all this nonsense Oh, they didn't handle him perfectly. What the fuck's that about? I know these like I know is horrible nitpicks. I'm just Like I think what we learned from the past video is that the movie doesn't care about our criticism Yeah, the movie doesn't care. Then why should we care? The movie cares about what's important. We don't okay Yes, the important themes of um, of uh What were the themes again? I don't remember Badness Bad Failure Failing to write a screenplay The themes are did you want an enjoyable movie? We'll consider your expectations subverted Christ so this is the darkest timeline Sitch has uh the last Jedi on his brain because he made a video true It's everywhere I came back. I don't know what happened. That is the video We're probably gonna cover next. I don't know whether or not I should wait for doomcock or if I should Uh, just banter for a bit. What do you reckon guys? Um, we gotta fill 24 hours. No, I mean I just mean for the next like 10 minutes For like 10 minutes. Yes. Well, we can discuss for 10 minutes. This is e-fat. We can discuss for two minutes Should we let chat decide what we will do? Whatever word is said the most shall be our discussion topic Bander we now we've got we got a few banters in the chat. We got a baowen. We got a ryan doesn't care Um, we've got we've got um old spider man is better than old luke The themes definitely means we got banter zelda. We got a zelda. We got a a potato. We got a potato in chat potato Well, what can we say about abortion? Why does somebody say abortion? We'll combine abortion and potato In gully invite grito. I don't think he'd come on. We'd happily have him here. Oh god. Could you imagine grito coming on? The second he says anything the five of us who are also on you would be like Dog pile him We're wrong for many reasons Um I love me a good dog pile not gonna lie makes sense. It's consistent with your character Yeah Character in question. I do have a reputation to keep me. I've got a tab ready for the meat It's intense would be the word I'd use having a blast and eating a I never said that You're putting words in by mouth above other things You're making tisms in my schblissoms Have you been doing asked objectively or objectively the middle one? Oh objective ass But I know how it makes me feel Hey, what are we gonna talk about for the next 10 minutes? Um, we can talk about eating ass for 10 minutes Well, I was actually gonna say so PSA Sitch slash critical drinker. Do you guys know each other at all? No, I don't believe we do. No. Well, hi critical drinker. Hi PSA. How are you doing this evening? I'm doing good PSA Sitch j longbone. Do you guys know each other? I know Say hello to each other. If that brings people together Jay j longbone, you've been very quiet on this chat so far in fairness I think we've been very nerdy like we've talking about the amount of units within a star destroyer I feel like Inside the hangar bay of the star destroyer Oh, you mean that's not something that everyone wants to know about? Dude, listen, that was a fascinating discussion when you actually consider the ramifications of the scale they've created for their story There are two and a quarter million people Guys, I don't think we're gonna win And you're like, what? Who would win two and a quarter million? 400 It's like it's like space Space did it with like a hundred less than that. So yeah Maybe maybe if we pull a maneuver out of our ass that makes no sense and damages every film that came before us Well, if the if the ratas can funnel the supremacy and the 15 star destroyers Into a small mountain pass and come in one at a time. They might have a chair Yeah, the space chasm you haven't heard of those the space chasm Yeah, but oh they can they can pull them into the the the castle thingy from solo They're gonna come in one at a time. You just crush the entire fleet in like a oh no a lovecraft monster Um But yeah, I mean there's no harm in starting up the next one if if you guys it's all it's all again But this one should be funnier. Um Because hella greed is awful. I mean hella greed is different from uh When we just covered I want to put that in our our done section is horrifically Limited we've done four videos over n hours Well, we we need to get focused on this one. I needed your companion for this mind power We can get through this right. Uh psa such there is a link to watch together in the in the The group you are now in if you can find that Join us Do you need to refresh to get a new video up or just come up? No, it'll it should just work. Oh, uh, oh, it looks like shatter bursty is ready Guys, I just wanted to point out that hella agrido is streaming on minecraft right now. Oh, leave him alone Let him build in peace. No, no people do it people are going into his chat. I'm reading them There's a guy saying debate they hate We're not talking through that Not only would he be welcome to come on. We would treat him very civilly. Absolutely slice and dice brothers Um Right, I was going to say shads good job boss. So I'm afraid in terms of rotation southpaw I think it's time for you to uh exit, but it's been yes indeed in a laugh riot, sir It has been great to talk to you man. And uh, I'm glad your mom enjoyed my videos Oh Yes, I'm I'm very glad that she enjoyed your video. It's been it's been great But um, I'm gonna be available for the rest of the night. So if you ever need a lot filled in, uh, let me know I will say knows what'll happen. Alrighty. Well, let's have a minute. Our slots filled Does that mean critical is your new stepfather? Oh, he left Drunken stepfather. I'm every shadow of this. It's how'd you do? Hey, how is everyone good to see his old We're this rotation thing's working out a lot better than I expected Because if we if we lose critical drinker soon ish and gain doomcock, we'll have a whole like Thing going where it's just all kinds of different personalities clashing and meeting. That's exactly what I was gunning for We bring people together While ripping their content apart Bringing people together through hatred. Yes Is the important people really? Oh god, I'm gonna I'm gonna take us to sing a I feel like It's weird as that as divisive as the last that I was it really was a force of Bringing people together jump starting careers Creating whole groups of support. I mean heli. I've made a shit ton of friends. Thanks to the last year. Thank you, ryan Thank you so much I'm glad you're terrible at what you do. Yeah, though It would be terrible. Imagine he was good at it. Jesus. Where would we be? I should give a shout out to captain marvel as well. That gave me lots of opportunities in youtube So thank you captain marvel for being shit. Apparently gritos said welcome toxic brood Again if Be nice to him and if he shows any interest in actually having to chat with us. He's open to it This is uh, maybe it'll be all right. Like remember the the doom sausage guy. Yeah And he was he was like the nicest guy ever absolutely it could work out the doom sausage Um shad, have you got access to the watch together link in the in the discussion thing? Oh, yeah, I should just click on that and we're gonna be covering a video That I think everyone here has actually got some interest in the title Of the video that we're gonna be covering is ray is not a mary sue Oh Interesting it's genius, sir And this is a video like james bond and I haven't uh, I haven't like What's the weird I've had a bit to drink um Proofs. I have I haven't guinea pig. Um, when you when you want to check if someone is is good for the job What what is the word you use you say like you you haven't vet. That's it. I haven't vetted this video So I don't know what to expect I just I'm going from the title of it alone. Um, is it is it loaded up for everybody? It shows like hands. You've seen hands Yeah, I got it. Excellent. Here we go That size says everything Yeah, the hand putting the the film and the projector thing is so yeah I'm going to see pretentiousness here. Look at the capitalization of the title Star Wars Why ray? Gotta hit that algorithm, uh somehow. I don't know if that helps Some idiot at youtube decided you know what we're gonna use What words you capitalize in your title to determine your place of the algorithm for being recommended to people And everyone else at the table is like I don't even know if that's how it works. You might have just done it as a hope that that's how it works No, I've heard it is that's why um, that's why the quartering, uh does it in his vids and his descriptions Are like in every word is capitalized and stuff like that Secrets you're releasing the trade secrets. Oh, I if I knew the fucking trade secrets You think I'd be where I am Like how'd you make your video so popular as I don't fucking know if I knew that I'd do it every time I think that's how everyone feels about the algorithm. They're like, I don't know. It worked. I don't know how It's it's here's is does youtube like your face They probably don't so yeah, I don't know man What's up guys? I'm jackson. I'm glad you made that text I definitely don't here's like I don't like to see people's faces when we're having a greeting Wait, what are you? What are you prefer? Wait, what do you mean? He's no no no no everyone must look away never look me We're a man. Um Say their name Then I want to make sure that I don't see their face until they're done with the greeting in their introduction Then I want to see their face Why Point I'm trying to say this is weird to start a video out. No, no, I'm saying you I know I'm weird But I know I'm trying to illustrate that it's weird for people to do that. I would I that's what I don't actually think that I'm so I've subverted your expectations. I see I see I'm highlighting how it worked just in a way that I didn't intend that it's weird for people to do this Another video and today we're going to be talking about star wars because Well, it was the series that inspired me to want to see the despair knife Yeah, but don't yeah recommendation for anybody who's defending the film. Don't show that clip in your video ever How depressing would it be if star wars is what inspired you to write stories and then this is what you have to deal with? Well, it depends I mean like the original Has this chap gone into great success and the whole story telling field like is he now If he's using an author he's using tlj is like a jumping off point. I seriously doubt it That's just my opinion. I mean I have lots of form rejections from agents everywhere We're gonna say some in chat go ahead show the scene Oh dad. I I was just wondering depending which star wars he was inspired by I think shad likes this scene because Because these alex I will explain I have a reason much like I have for everything that I believe So in this scene a lot of red swords and when I look at shad's icon I don't know I don't know the the red huge weaponry Ever or robo as they say down south, you know, I remember if I've asked this before shad, but uh, you saw tlj in the cinema, right? I did. So what what were you feeling when you saw this scene for the first time? I wasn't paying attention When I go to a movie I go to a movie. I'm at adversity all people not paying attention to your grandiose fight to your sword fight Yes, your melee fight. That's like the the ride before we call it the crescendo of the whole film That fight building up and exploding at the end. Were you were you still recovering from the whole snook thing? You're like There was so much dumb happening and I generally Try to enjoy it. I turned my brain off and I try to enjoy it But like even with the last Jedi there was so many plot holes going on where I was like it was it was too hard to Not notice with their fight scene itself though because there's a lot of movement happening And it's really quickly I didn't pick up on a lot of the horrible mistakes Until I paid attention to it and I look closely and I'm like Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Hang on Hang on And then it just turns out it's like one of the worst fight scenes ever I think I think that's fair like it is one of those scenes that can just you know wash over you and It's gone before you really have a time to think about it Exactly and and when you're not paying attention, it's a lot of flashy movement You can be like, oh, yeah, I'm into it. This is cool. It's a bit hollywood kung fu And then you actually look at the the specific moves and the fact that Daisy Ridley and the other guy they're out of sync to the other guys and they're missing their marks And they're hitting wrong and then they're out of time And then there's they should have died in many places and the blade disappearing and you're just like Oh my goodness Look, this is a million dollar multi-million dollar movie. You expect them to take multiple takes of action shots Come on people unironically say like well in fairness. It was all like one take for a portion of it it's like okay, but Keeping the camera on is not something to celebrate if you're recording dog shit Oh, yeah, well, this is my oh, yeah, well, it was my first draft Oh Oh, yeah, well, oh, yeah, well, I'm retarded so Yeah, if you think this is this is the best of what they were able to produce as well Like I would love to see the worst Like all the blown takes Apparently hello gritos asking what the fuck is going on again people don't don't do anything mean cruel or raid like Just be friendly or leave him alone because I don't want it. I don't want it. Is he is he coming in? No, I don't think so. He's just apparently he's really confused in his own stream right now Let him mine diamonds in peace send him messages of love. Okay I saw mine in football. There's easy A super chat a day keeps the creepers away Truth from the source fucking kill me War wars because Well, it was the series that inspired me to want to tell stories of my own And to be honest with you. I just feel like why don't you just turn the lightsaber around as if that thing touches him He's dead Was the thing that she could turn it off flip it in your own hand turn it back on I know like like she's just holding the lightsaber there She cut through his weapon if she just rotated her wrist 90 degrees and then back He she hits him in the head, but she's just holding it there like like it's doing nothing I love how she's just looking at it there like she just doesn't have a fuck to give Ray never has to like I can't believe this mortal is trying to kill me It's like, oh, I suppose I'm gonna have to do stuff to get out of this now Gah Like I've never talked about star wars as much as I've wanted and then we brought up You brought up the whole if so if you are straining to keep somebody From slicing your face hole with a bladed weapon and you just let go What's gonna happen to their weapon? It's gonna stay exactly where it is, of course You know when she dropped her lightsaber, he's like, oh, this is the part of the fight where we drop our weapons and back It was like Yeah, did she just let go of her like Ray, that's not fair. I dropped my weapon. Why didn't you drop yours? This is like how combat works You just the honor of the fight we spend like you just have one person on the door Just shoving the door and then you open it. You all of a sudden open it from the other side and see what happens apparently Sorry, apparently. Hello. Greedo just said will somebody please explain the rhino milk thing to me Oh, that is that is among the deepest of allures. That's beautiful Uh, in case he pulls up the street. Hello, Greedo. Hey, look, you could just say his name and it's a greeting Uh Hello, hello, Greedo. Peace and rhino milk to you. So uh, yeah, I was gonna say though We spent near like an hour and a half solely going on tangents about how dumb it is about the supremacy the star destroyers of if we start talking about this scene We will lose our minds. Uh, by the way, robot head is interested Robot head is interested in coming on eventually too. And it's just like he's made a whole video just about this scene and how fucking dumb it is It is it tlj is an infinite mind of like movie criticism. It's just the perfect thing Like I said, I stand by the fact that I want it taught in schools I would like it because it would give a lot of people ideas on how to avoid pitfalls when it comes to writing or even execution of writing Like taking the thing you have planned and ruining it regardless of what it was With you, I just feel like I've never talked about star wars as much as I wanted Yeah, you literally let her go I did not notice the edit in there the way he just completely changes position from one shot to the other But it's it's feels it doesn't craftsmanship doesn't matter when it comes to feels, dude Fuck man, I feel like I'm getting dumber by the second just watching this I love the inconsistency of how effective that armor is. I mean it stops it when it's convenient to stop it But when it's time to die, it's useless. It does nothing Right. Yeah, because it blocks uh Doesn't kyler's lightsaber Doesn't kyler's lightsaber block against it His arms to block a full hit from kyler's lightsaber And so that should establish already that it can resist the first few hits of a lightsaber No, you have to believe In the force What I will say is it does look like it's between it looks like it's the neck you could argue is between two parts of the armor The armor is red and kyler's lightsaber is red. So obviously Oh, yeah, I see if they had blue armor, they could have Baby's first lightsaber expletation is like red bad RPG armor where it's just like it applies a percentage chance to block an enemy hit Oh, there you go. He had a good roll against kyler Yeah, he rolled poorly with ray here, which is why his both his knife disappeared Uh, you roll the one, uh, your weapon disappears Fades from existence Your knife evaporates By the way, I can just picture if ryan johnson ever listened to a podcast like this. You should be frowning like fuck you guys I wish really hard on this Well, hi You know, if you're ryan, what did you say? This money is I bet ryan johnson is probably the nicest person in the world He like, you know saves baby seals and gives all this money to the poor and everything like this It's probably you see they're like thinking I tried I feel sorry for the guy Oh man, I don't by the way, I just want to highlight that he's he's talking about something that we've not really addressed Jax hasn't necessarily made a point just yet, but with background footage We've already explored like a shit ton of things. He's not even brought up the guy who made this video I only wanted b-roll footage to my commentary. I wasn't trying to You can't even find b-roll that you can't criticize That's how bad In the past in that's kind of are you doing okay kylo established force user? I've just been a massive fan of the series my whole life And today we're gonna be talking about the sequel trilogy. What if he turned the lightsaber on and it just shed it out the other way? Like gives an awkward look to the guy holding him, but he's like, oh give me a sec Or hate it I've got some thoughts on it and just kind of oh look another scene where she's america What are you doing? Are you is this on purpose? Why you fucking with us? I love this idea that you can you can you know Fix and reconfigure complex spaceships just by ripping out circuit boards Like that's how smart she is She is that intelligent I'm just like next time my car doesn't start. I'm just gonna like rip a random like fuse box Oh, hey the millenium falcon. I was here for five minutes once. Oh, hey a spa plug. Let's rip that out Some twitter the other day. This surely can't be attached to this shit for a reason I figured talking about this in a video might be a good format because I could express myself more And maybe even bring up some things I didn't talk about on twitter. This is every it's a cataclysm. Everything is wrong What are you saying? I'm just criticizing this film. It's just the footage is funny Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, bb8 has a hell 9000. I That's that's a positive. There we go. We've drawn a positive I just wanted to kick him Just like get you know line up bb8 and just do this massive boot No, he's like the only consistent character in this fucking franchise. Don't you dare kill bb8? I like it's a ball. You just want to kick balls. Yeah, it's fair. It's our precious only good character I mean bb8 is almost a very soon too. He fucking has a machine gun in his Chest he can operate at sts Fucking everybody loves that guy. The empire doesn't even arrest him. The empire's just like oh, it's bba this one I love that bit by the way He just they they they do the ambush in tlj and bb8 just fucking rolls off to the side and just he's got the box on It was fine. It's like yeah, don't notice me like what the fuck he was the reason that they got found He was scammed crisis film. He's isn't he isn't that consistent. He literally turns into a weapon. How is that not consistent? Some things I didn't talk about on twitter because I'm just kind of limited on that website that being said, let's just hop right into it and talk about why ray Isn't a mary sue and why she's actually kind of an amazing character. Oh, no Oh, no, not even why she isn't a mary sue why she's an amazing character So amazing that I can't explain her abilities through any kind of rational means so I see so the way you start with this is you define mary sue and then if he's defined it in a way that We're not all familiar with he might have an argument, but it doesn't even look like he's gonna try that Yeah, it's interesting. Like I think the character had potential. It's an execution that they failed They didn't explain why she was so good at all these different things and like because I don't mind the idea of a prodigy Like I think the idea of like this Unknown prodigy character archetype could actually be really good if it's executed right and one of the ways that you do You know balance it out is by giving them some pretty big weaknesses and failings in character to like Really bad at these things Oh Physically if they made her like feral, you know, she's been living alone on some desert planet like make her really fucked up No, that's how you become extremely charismatic and likable to everybody when you're constantly trying to buy people who want to beat you up And nobody wants to talk to you ever That's true When I'm sitting alone in my my room and I'm scratching little marks on the wall because I live by myself for years and years I've become the most social person on the planet. Yeah, it also you also do that by being a stormtrooper from birth Yeah, oh my god. No PTSD there You're the most grinning an ass niggas I love how you started to say that you tried to Fail from it It's okay. She's female and black. She has double passes for this Oh, come on. No one looks at fin and thinks. Oh, that's a smiling negro right? It's it's ridiculous as well He always has that grin on his face and it's so off-putting because well, yeah, he describes his childhood You're like, why why a fucking murderer? Why are you brainwashed soldier trained for first movie terrified? Does he know Well, nothing about it makes any sense. Nothing about fin makes any sense at all It's hilarious too because if if there was no female strong female woman If if fin was a if rey was a man, everyone would complain that this movie is racist I mean you got the stereotypical comedic minstrel black sidekick who's like inferior to the white, uh hero Yeah, she's female. So like you you got see that's that's that's a trend I've been noticing He steals a jacket. He tries to steal an escape pod Exactly This is a trend I've been noticing they kind of like downplay Black male characters if they're next to a female like a white female Like we need her to be stronger and black men are just kind of a little too, uh What's the word? Uh aggressive Yeah, aggressive. Yeah, this is the thing like there's a pyramid pyramid of oppression, you know Yeah, I was gonna say females outrank black right female Is it three points for female two points for black? I can't remember. I have to check the book It's close, but if you're As if she's a she yeah Cool. Yeah, sorry Imagine drax Imagine his personality in fin's body for the trilogy. Oh my god. Oh my god. Have you made fucking wonderful? I know it would like that would kind of like work Yeah, or or put someone like john wick in fin He's actually really efficient at his job. He knows the ins and outs of the first order and he just wants to live He's tired of killing people But then you can't have that because that'd be a character that would be a bit threatening towards the female and uh, it's not allowed Yeah, you can't have that. Yeah, or Yeah, or you can use uh for a model for fin like Kurt russell's character from soldier because that's what when I that's what I envisioned when I when I think of How fin came up like he's completely sensitized Yeah, yeah, that would make sense I'm gonna guess the rags does not know that movie Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's well, I don't I don't know It's been so long since I've seen it. Oh, okay. Maybe it's not I forget I I remember it's either the best movie I've ever seen or I don't remember because it's bad That's pretty good I don't even know anymore I don't even know anymore Did you what well? I'll tell you what you do know you do know I remember rey wasn't in it rey is the best character and uh, she's a great character And also as we learned from the previous video the soldier doesn't care whether you liked it or not It doesn't have opinions on that. That's just the ultimate argument against everything. It doesn't care It doesn't care movie doesn't care movie doesn't care all your issues with it. Uh, it doesn't fucking care The inanimate object doesn't care about you I can't know man Oh, here we go definition an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character often this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment Now I've agreed that the second portion of the standard definition of Mary Sue doesn't necessarily apply to rey I don't know that JJ Abrams sees himself as rey or anything like that However, what are you a transphobe? Yes, the first portion is absolutely applicable to rey Yeah, the the second portion is kind of a tribute and motivation for creating the character in the first place But the first part is the actual definition Yes, most people probably don't even I think no one ever use the second definition I think she's an audience insert not a I don't think it has anything to do with the creator is more like that's yeah, that's for the audience I agree that I was thinking the wish fulfillment part of rey is to try and make her super, you know, perfect But basically, uh, well, they were attempting to make star wars more palatable to a female audience And that's the wish fulfillment kind of thing like this is you could you know stuff JJ's admitted that um, like the the the falcon sequence in tfa and a couple others are like Absolutely just wishful helmet for the audience is supposed to be a scene for us to be like, yeah We're doing this almost Yeah, so she is if you if you could just alter it a little bit then yeah She's absolutely the audience This is the thing she reacts to a lot of things and she gets to do a lot of things that the audience would totally do for example Go go and see luke. It's like, why would she do that? Why would the audience do it? Fucking are you kidding me? I can't wait to meet luke luke. Luke fucking sky. I can't wait to talk to him Um, but rey has no reason to talk. She's just a guy see It might it might have been better if she had more awareness of luke skywalker Like she was almost like a luke skywalker fan girl in some way like she She was obsessed with like the the the war and the events of like 30 years previously And she totally knew everything about it and it's like, okay cool. Well, she's got the galaxy some Yeah, like she's got some kind of investment then What I would have liked for rey I think this I get a different take but it wouldn't work cool is if they wanted to do an overpowered force You know sensitive character if they ramped up her powers to insane levels and then have her struggle to controlling it Like just randomly she's hurting people and throwing things aside And she wants to find luke skywalker to teach her how to control her powers And then that would have a such a good payoff because it already established This is insanely powerful from the very beginning and then when she actually starts to control it Then you can actually have that at say an awesome moment say when she's lifting up a death star because I caught that without you That's what I was saying before that could kind of work But now it's like it's being pulled out of nowhere like where the hell is this coming from and you You know the prequels obviously dealt with a character with similar abilities like someone who's Got a huge amount of power and very strong with the force and all that but their Their struggle was then that that it resulted in arrogance and impatience and and You know too much emotional attachment to other things that that brought about their downfall And that made sense because okay, you've got someone who can't handle that amount of power and that kind of responsibility But now you've got someone who just deals with it with no problems whatsoever You've you've completely undermined any kind of character arc you could have had there Mention for efab continuity if you guys remember I think rags is going to be aware of this But movibob. Oh wait, and jaylong but actually Uh He uh movibob said that she was like a super fan of star wars. Remember she's ray is supposed to be Super duper fan as an insert. So ironically movibob would be arguing against this video. I guess in a way It's hard to keep track of it all Even though those two are probably on the same team. They disagree with each other Oh, sorry. Uh, it says keep in mind that it was max landis who and I only know him thanks to a red light media guest Um, yeah, he's a screenplay really screenwriter for a couple of movies So keep in mind that it was max landis who first claimed that ray was a mary sue You may know max landis from writing some of your least favorite movies Uh, okay poison well, mate. I was about to say what let me let me find out what max landis wrote I know he wrote that weird one with um jesse eisenberg about yeah, um Bright uh So oh he wrote bright apparently which was not well received. I haven't seen it. Um american ultra, which again, I don't think that was well received Uh, victor frankenstein. I've heard 50 50 things on that Uh, and then chronicle which was well very well received from what I've heard So mixed bag then. Yeah kind of a mixed bag. I actually liked bright. I don't know why everyone hated it so much I've heard good things about bright. I've heard a lot of bad things. I've heard very few good things I've always meant to see it because I need to know what the fuck is in that movie I think I think it would have made a better tv show than a movie Yeah Yeah um Yeah, so I guess his point there is that max landis shouldn't be trusted about her being a mary sue because he's a bad writer It's it's like it's so absurd like oh, yeah, everyone didn't think she was a mary sue until max landis said it's like Oh, people were saying. Oh everyone liked the prequels until red letter media came out Nobody walked out of the theater From the last Jedi thinking Ray's kind of OP, isn't she? No one did No, max max said it and then it became true. Well, so this is the thing about when um, um Daisy really was like the term is sexist I'd be like, okay So I guess from now on we should stop saying mary sue and just say that the the elements of mary sue instead She's super powerful all the characters really like her and she seems to be an insert for the audience slash Whatever else if you say that because that's the whole point of words, right? That a lot of them a shorthand for meaning a lot of other things We come to understand as a collective if different people have different definitions for fucking mary sue or they find it sexist It's like fine. We'll just say the other things Yeah, there's there's there's a perfectly serviceable male equivalent And it's just the concept that's that's there you can apply it to anyone You doesn't the character doesn't even have to be human at all Like your first trace is a Mary sue I mean some people Some people refer to male characters as mary sue and you could be like you could call them gary stews Sure, but most people consider mary sues and gary stews to be different things. They like sort of different criticism um Like a gary stew pertains to different sort of attributes But again You can call a male character a mary sue because most people will know what you're talking about They're gonna be super op You know solve all the problems the plot presents and a little basically all the characters will like her including the bad guys Yes, we all agree on that. I want to point out The the capitalization on these fucking sentences are all over the place There's like a small a Like he doesn't capitalize chronicle which is the title of a fucking movie And then he doesn't capitalize it when he goes to the next sentence You're right. What the hell is he got ghostbusters underneath mary sue as well Ghostbusters Well, are the ghostbusters considered mary sues? Wait, I thought they were just oh ghostbusters. Yeah, they're just considered idiots I think yeah, I don't recall anyone Criticizing ghostbusters because the protagonists were mary sue is because they were unfunny and creepy and awful and no Generally, why is ghostbusters there? Ghost but I guess because he's probably I'm I guess that he's linking in the whole sexism thing Mary sue must be sexist because it's called mary sue People didn't like ghostbusters because they hate women. It only makes sense Okay So now that we've given that Arguably I would say that inaccurate halfway inaccurate definition Tied sexism to people who think that raise a mary sue poisoning the well with max landis Now that you've officially done all of those things in one convenient still image We can proceed I'll wait for him to explain to me how she's not an idealized and seemingly perfect character go for it Oh, it's not a still we've just been here for fucking ever Oh, you're just time to read it. I appreciate that. Why could you just set all of this? Because And to be honest with you, I really hate the term mary sue because yes There are instances and circumstances to where in hollywood films We do get female characters and male characters and certain other characters that might be overpowered However, I feel like for the most part and specifically here It's justified as to why ray is so powerful And she does make a lot of mistakes in the process, which we're going to cut that rock because she she missed her swing there That makes that's a she missed a swing one time Too bad but this never ever translate into any actual consequence Yeah Like just as if he's still stood in front of the camera He's not actually got a microphone or anything there to talk into I guess it's consistent these fancy microphones but uh He's found a long way of saying She's not that powerful. It's justified. Oh, well her power is justified and she makes mistakes. That's all he said there How could her power be justified if we don't even know what her background is yet Yeah, is this just going to be one of those classic arguments of like, well I have decided that ray isn't overpowered and she does make mistakes and she's a completely relatable character Oh, moving on we'll go as far as being like while anybody can be super powerful in the solos universe. So it makes sense apparently I want to see if I can preempt his argument here to justify um Ray's power because there is that what line from snook where he said, you know The the force would produce someone On the light side to balance out your evil. Like is that the line that I wonder if you're gonna The light rises in the dark with it or vice versa or something And so he might be saying Yeah, he might just be saying this is she was given huge power by the force to balance out Kylo Ren of course, it doesn't explain how she learns to control it so easily It's such a lame fucking argument man Yeah, it's this thing as well like if you're someone who's lived a horrible life like she has You know stuck on this desert planet with with no resources and and having to struggle to survive every day And you're suddenly given suddenly given this immense power You've got no frame of reference for how to Control that you would um, you would go off the rails a little bit like anyone would you would become drunk with power But again, yeah, you'd have to become adjusted to what you suddenly have But that would be interesting. Yeah, that would be interesting But this is ryan johnson's the second the second you veer into interesting causes like no, stop it Put the bow down It's weird the more we talk about ray the more I look at the the prequels and i'm like, oh my god They actually did a not bad job. I'm like It's profound tlj made people hate tfa and start to like the prequels Wait, what's what's happening? Yeah, what are you done? You did it? Yay We're gonna be talking about a point of reference Mistake wait wait wait wait wait wait I didn't I didn't catch that mistakes that our gallery Let's have a look our gal And she does make a lot of mistakes in the process, which we're gonna be talking about a few Mistakes that our gal I didn't get to read I got it. Okay. I couldn't read it faster. I was trying to The whole point of text is to read. All right ignores luke's warnings To try and save kylo ren. Oh no, she's too pure of heart. Oh, what a fucking idiot. Hey doomcock. How you doing? Hey, how's it going? It's been so long Hey, man It has been a long time. I'm very honored to join you in this noble experiment a 24 hour stream Oh, no, I was I was actually gonna say we are now we're we're past our capacity, which means I'm afraid Critical drinker. You said you'd like to go around now, right as well. Yeah I was I was kind of I was too caught up in that video. I was just loving it so much But I think my time has come so uh, I'll bid you guys very well But you want to quickly very much for doom cock. I don't know if you've met him before but doom cock is critical drinker I don't know if you guys have heard of each other, but meet well, we we I don't think we've ever met personally, but uh, we're brothers in booze I mean, uh, well I drink a lot and I think a fellow drinker Yeah, exactly We really ought to like hit the pubs and and bitch about shit because uh, I think next time you're in edinbro Man, give me a shirt and I'll I'll I'll meet you someplace. We'll have a few points. Oh, man. Oh, that would be blast. Thank you Yeah, definitely. We need to chat sometime man No, hit me up. Um, we we'll uh, we'll catch up some podcast together everybody podcast together. Okay Well, I've got the I've got the drinkers unhappy hour. So uh, you're always welcome on that Um, but yeah, otherwise guys, uh, thank you very much for having me on It's been a total blast and best of luck. Um, I hope you make it to the 24 hours. Thanks for coming on dude. It's been great All right. Cheers guys. See you later. Bye Um, and yes doomcock. This is shad diversity the guy with the sword shad. This is doomcock I don't know if you guys have ever met either No, we haven't. How are you doing? Oh, good to meet you, sir. Uh, you sound you sound like where are you from? Can you guess Um, it sounds like somewhere in the uk, but I could be wrong Ah, a big sense to guess, but I have a very muddled accent people don't usually pick Australia I like the fact that I kind of sound yeah Well, people assume I'm british for some I guess is my accent But it seems to add a level of credibility to my, you know analysis of medieval stuff So I'm perfectly happy for the people to assume that Oh, absolutely evilness in australia. You can't know things at australia wasn't around during the medieval ages Yeah, it exists. I mean the land the land of mass was but He wasn't invented till like the 1700s, right? Yeah, that's right. And you got a place to put our criminals Well, but I'm sure he was descended from the preachers and missionaries that went there to tend to the criminals Ah, yes And then spiders that eat birds on that island, sir Perfect is a surprise criminals there. There is a reason why I own swords. I'll just say that It's like the most concentrated amount of Venomous dangerous creatures in the world. Isn't that right? Yes. That's all yeah Like I have I have literally defended myself against these dangerous creatures with my swords. I'm not joking. That's a true story You just when you walk around the outback with your swords Sometimes you need to be prepared Even the damn ants are hell I mean, they've got the what did they call them the siaphus and the jack-o-daws or something like that that are both like Will knock you dead or something? Oh, there's a lot that I was about to say ants are terrifying like the ants are their peak. Jesus We need to we need to move from this planet Yeah, I was gonna say as as hosts I gotta make sure everybody's met each other So I guess next up doomcock. Have you met jay longbone before? Uh, no, I have jay longbone doomcock meet each other Hello You both make youtube videos about stuff. This is this is how we all know each other Yeah, so only only by reputation. I've never I've never actually met. It's been a long time baller It's a great honor. Thank you for asking me on absolutely. This has been a this has been a fucking roller coaster We're just trying to cycle in basically all the different guests we've had previously We've had a lot of people so far. I'm actually really happy with how this has worked out Um, oh, yeah, I think we're having gary at some point later on so you might be able to cross over with him as well How is how is the inquisition going? Come? How's what how's the inquisition going? Oh, it's going great. Yeah, we are really growing every every time it seems like it gets better and bigger It was born out of our bitter Anger and rage at the goddamn game of thrones episode three season eight my god I I still cannot believe that I saw that I absolutely cannot believe That they spent 49 nights 41 nights shooting that crap all of it in like close-up or medium close-up Where there's limbs flying they should have just shot it in a night with like five cameras There is no spectacle when you're just showing close-ups of of random limbs and people going Ah and in the dark. Well, maybe that's why they call it spectacle because you need your spectacles to see it It makes sense. Yeah, and a really bright tv exactly Oh god, so yeah, we're uh, we're uh, thankfully the only good thing that came out of game of thrones was the inquisition And uh, it's a great thrill to do every sunday That's awesome to hear man. Like uh, oh, I was gonna say of course I don't know if you've ever heard of slash met ps a stitch as well But they say to meet doomcock and vice versa Hey now I've heard of I've heard doomcock on efeb. I'm familiar with his voice his silky smooth voice His silky smooth voice. Hey It's a requirement of efeb to have a good voice to be able to come on here. You see we only have great voices Yes, you're you're our most aerodite and you are very very wonderful Lighten your your voice, sir has a gravitas and a very Very tall decent fan metal narrative. Yes. Oh no So doomcock do you have access to the chat that we're in right now? Um, can you see that I've just posted a link to a watch together? We're trying to get through a video that yes if you just hit that link and join up with us We're we're covering a video called why ray isn't a mary sue Ah, okay, and not only is he arguing that he's decided to double down and also say he's gonna argue for why she's a great character I know right. It's like wow. Yeah, you really go for okay Wow, it's really sad to see the fruits of alcoholism, but okay Uh, is the video loaded for you? Yes, all right. I'll roll it back to just like 140 ish and see if I'd as to why ray is so powerful and she does that all working for everybody Yeah, I saw ray waving her uh stick around in her best impression of star wars kid So that's good. Yeah, I critiqued that scene itself in one of my videos. Oh that video was good shit, man Wildly like it's a baseball bat and she's doing this wide stupid. It's like the most Retarded sword sense you could ever take it's just so dumb Oh Truly she is the chosen one What's the thing she has these kind of skills and yet she's basically the most dominant power in the history of fucking star wars She outclasses You guys understand there's a there's a chance she will go back in time and defeat the emperor or some shit Oh Or be uh, you know, uh schmii skywalker and give birth to uh anakin does that one line? But I want to see hearing that one. I was like, man, that sounds like they might do that. Shit. I exactly Exactly. It's just jar jar abrams It's his it's his modus operandi that he would love nothing more than to put his filthy spore on every single aspect of the star wars universe In retro retro fitting it to his own hideous image. It's just absolutely his modus And how? No Well, how incredibly empowering would it be for women to see ray Come to realize that she doesn't need a man to make a baby That's so good it might be the case She's the virgin mary sue Not since Women have been so liberated It's so sad it's gonna happen Yep There's so many ways they can destroy more because this is the thing after tlj people like well, at least stars can't get any more dead Or it's like there's always more Oh land is still alive Let's make a lot of mistakes in the process which we're going to be talking about a few So I just want to pause and point out You know the defense people make of that scene with her flailing around with that lightsaber is that she does She isn't supposed to know how to fight This is her just working out and stuff which is contradicted completely by the fact that then she takes on the imperial guard And be at this point sorry And at this point, she's already defeated kylo ren and a lightsaber. She has the power to make weapons disappear Wasn't the argument that since she knows how to use her staff. She knows how to sword fight That is Jesus christ. Yeah Well in that scene shad. Why don't you just obliterate that argument go for it? Oh, just there's so much wrong with it. I mean There are certain things that would translate like if your understanding of distance and timing is a very inherent kind of Skill in combat that you can actually translate even from unarmed to weapons, right? But in terms of That the techniques, okay? How to hold your sword if you are fighting high to low and everything like that There is very little similarity between Staff, you know fighting and sword fighting especially of the style that we see in the star wars things There is so little like if you only ever used a Staff and then you picked up a sword and even if you had that understanding of distance and timing And you went up against someone who trained with the sword And you know is experienced with them the person who's experienced will obliterate the other person very easily because There are certain things that you can tell when when someone picks up a sword He doesn't know how to use it properly, especially with the right stances and reactions and maneuvers and stuff It is phenomenally easy to manipulate them to open up I like I actually made a recent video trying to teach my brother how to sword fight and he's he's a total new But only picks it up and it's hilarious how much I trash him and just destroy him Because it's so easy to predict what he's doing because he just doesn't understand the things and that was a joke I'm not I'm not you know criticizing my brother. That was the fun of the video But no no there there is so little that translate in terms to the actual form and stuff. Yeah Well that that all makes perfect sense and I would believe you if you're from from the uk I don't know if I can believe you because you're from Australia Well, I I've killed australian, you know, uh animals with my swords are right I've had real battlefield practice. I'll be I'll believe you if you were talking about throwing your boomerang Now if you were from america then yeah, definitely So are you suggesting chad that if you're experienced and fluent with something like a longsword it may not be helpful when wielding a mace Actually, there's more relate. There's more relation between a mace and a longsword than there is between a longsword and a quarter What do you think would be relative? in this scenario Because as in I guess oh the what would translate like yeah, because I guess a star a staff is like a An actual weapon people would typically use in scenarios, right a staff. Am I crazy for that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely poll arms and quarter stars and things like that The way ray fights with her staff is actually not the best way that Actually, she's holding it in the middle and trying to usually hit with both sides and things when you see a fight Uh, you actually generally hold the the staff right at the very end like a long spear or something like that Even if it's blunt that's generally the better much better way to fight with a long You know called a staff like weapon and everything because the way she's holding it When you try and move the sword from one side of your body to the other You have the other end of the staff protruding that would obviously get in the way It's knocking against your body And so you actually have to raise it vertically in front of you to get the Bottom end of the staff to the other side of your body which locks off a huge amount of Technique that you could do if that wasn't getting in the way because with a sword There's nothing protruding further past the pommel and because of that You can hold the sword directly in front of you and spin it around and do proper high moves high guards Everything like that and there's no nothing getting in the way And you can utilize those maneuvers to a really high level of effect And this is what i'm saying why you would get thrown off if you were using the staff like what ray was doing It because she would be completely unfamiliar With these forward guard positions stuff like that where you can maneuver the sword so easily on one side The other because you can't do that with the staff and so she would be lost on a lot of very significant Long sword style techniques. It's not even even just katana styles I was just thinking if you were on set when all of this was prepped and they were like So does anything you think we should correct? I could imagine you'd be like, okay I have I have a note I have filed a compendium of arrows See the script he's like, yeah, you just you throw it off a cliff. You're like, there we go We get in there. Yeah, I'm like, let's start from scratch Jesus Christ, I did a video about how bad this situation actually is because look at the structure of it. I mean, it's a it's mathematically Sound to to make this argument. Look you've got Luke Skywalker. Who's a Jedi master? Okay So he's got this school and he's training young ben to uh be a Jedi so his student Is so powerful relative to Luke that the student not only kicks Luke Luke's ass But destroys his entire school without being trained. That is how powerful Kylo Ren is So powerful that Luke runs off to an island and sucks on manatee milk And uh nurses his wounds wouldn't you then Then ray comes along And she is so vastly more powerful than Kylo Ren That she defeats him without any training whatsoever therefore She is by extension Vastly as more powerful as she is than Kylo Ren. She is vastly vastly vastly vastly more superior to Luke And that is what disney is holding up as a uh sequel trilogy that that is the role model for kids To utterly and completely make Luke Skywalker Shit on the underside of not only Kylo Ren's boot, but Ray's moccasins Well, let's uh, let's say you looked at the script or you could view the movie But instead of knowing which characters were which and what their history was their age was their training was anything You just replace them with uh, just character a character b character c And say okay, this person beats that person that person does this that person does this you would have absolutely no idea Who was the life almost lifelong Jedi master? Who was the apprentice who was the nobody who just got their hands on a lightsaber? You would have absolutely no idea You would assume that Luke was the guy who'd never held a lightsaber in his life and it'd be insanely confused You'd have no idea Exactly exactly that's that there's great writing ruin johnson boy Can't wait to see knives out. Oh wait. Yeah, I can you I was going to say you're gonna. Are you gonna check that out? You're gonna fucking boycott that shit like oh hell. No, I'm not gonna I'm never gonna go pay to see anything that even from the trailer the trailer ryan johnson's fucking trademark humor is in there I was like, oh good. Yeah, they got these really crappy ill timed jokes Mm-hmm. I don't I it's sad to see him get a fucking old stod cast though. She's like, oh, I guess that's just something he can do Okay Well, he's got the money to do it I guess they haven't really paid attention to what's going on in star wars fandom, but that's the guy that basically killed Put the final nail in let's say of the star wars franchise. I think jar jar abrams, of course is the one who really really You know Did the damage he always does it's like with star trek he plants the seeds Of uh, you know, he basically raises the crop Makes a huge amount of money because that crop is raised and and every bit of it has been converted But then salts the land and moves on to the next franchise And that's what's happened with with last jedi. It's growing out of salted ground literally red salt That is that is not just a metaphor. It is actual literal fact in last jedi salted fucking earth Yeah, uh, whenever I send messages in the chat, by the way, I know it's not my confirmed ticked molars Because this is the google account or whatever the hell it's attached to the obs thing i'm using. Don't worry. It's actually me It's not some roster. Um, but yes Are we good to continue? Wonderful if mauler in the chat ask you for your credit card information. You can trust him. Yes So this is so what he's trying to do here is mount an argument for how she's not perfect So his first criticism of ray is hey man, you know, she's not perfect She ignored luke's warnings to try and save kylo ren. So the idea is that she's too nice That is her flaw. Yeah, it is a character flaw of george washington that he ignored king george the third's Command to remain subservient. I agree Because it's not even like luke is not established as like a good character. He's all fucked up not even sound of mind He's like, yeah, let everyone die. It's like what what I'm sorry, but when luke skywalker tells you you should give up on someone. It's like jesus christ. What happened to you bad? Fuck you saved our leader. That's kind of fucked up. I was gonna say kind of as bad as vader Luke did this with Darth Vader and it seems like they were just trying to you know establish ray as the new luke skywalker with hope and everything like that I mean and it was never Implied that luke's choice to try and save Darth Vader was wrong I mean and ultimately Darth vader did turn and help out his son and save his life and kill the emperor So that worked out that kind of sets a precedent that it's good to try and save the bad guy and so I'm not seeing a character flaw because of this. Yeah ignoring bad advice But that's so desperate people are a character that's so desperate we're allowed to prove that she's not perfect Like look, but she doesn't listen to luke's guy. Well luke was dumb and I wouldn't listen to him either necessarily In her position. That's the thing. I have no idea how to get into Ray's mind Like I have no idea in her perspective. What a shame, dude. I don't even know why she's here The idea that this is where we're at. It's like luke was right. You should give up on your family. It's like, oh Luke luke was right. Oh, no I like It's kind of like basically these guys are following the outline of a young adult romance novel And the reason that she disregards luke's warning to try and save kylo ren is because well, I know he's bad But she thinks she can change him if only she just loves him enough, right? That's basically it They've set up the thing with the oh put on your shirt. Oh, don't put on your shirt. Oh, I love you. That's basically it She saw her with his shirt off and now she's in love. They're like, yep, that's it. That's all it took Here's it's kylo ren's primary seductive mode because it keeps her eyes off of his gigantic nose And that really helps how fucking awkward the scene where he's got his shirt off people cite that as like see she's falling for him It's like, yeah, what the fuck? What was that a thing? What? Yeah, you see if you get a tingle in your vajoodle that means you're in love Did he kill your father figure? It doesn't matter And you know if if these roles were of like if the genders were switched Okay, if ray was a male character and kylo was the female character there would be much criticism In how shallow this thing like, you know, ray is only ogling the the other character because You know, she's showing cleavage and stuff and that's the only interest this character is showing with And she's just got the attraction and then there's no deep romantic You know, it's not that established or anything like that But because it's a you know now she's a female. It's fine. She can ogle as much as she will she likes Sure And it's depicted as actual credible character motivation that she does And by the way, she wasn't strictly wrong She proves that kylo was actually not interested in domina in the world. He wanted like genuine question What did kylo want from her? He was like, let's let's ignore the rebels and the empire and start our own new cool club, right? That was his thing He wants a girlfriend He's lonely So like luke was wrong that he was fully bad, but ray was also wrong that he was fully good. It's like, okay I'm sure to be my queen. I don't really know what that means, but okay It's too complicated But let's see what her other flaws are come on Um, I think people are saying in the chat that it needs to be refreshed There's f5 people are saying people f and f5 and stuff for refresh Oh, yeah, if the stream goes down at all for any reason just refresh and it should be back up Anything worse than that happens. I will do something about it, but My my main like litmus test for that is can you guys still hear me? And if you both everyone's replied to me, I guess I will wait until that's still working No But yeah, okay, so second floor she dwells within the dark side to find her true parentage and Oh, wait, did she does it? Wait, did he not did he not explain Anything about did he just skip into a new thing without talking about it? He's not he's not so he's just he's just displaying them in words. I guess like there's no development Okay, like ray dwells within the dark side to find her true parentage and fails She dwells within the dark side You find her true parentage and fails. I'm not even sure what this means Was that cave supposed to be the dark side? I thought it was just like She openly rejected it and tried to escape from it Well, this is the thing Do you remember the movie where luke is like explore explore explore then she like apparently sees the dark side He goes you went straight to it. What the fuck like what you told me I didn't know what it was And then I ran away from it. What do you want me to do? And he's like I've never seen such disgusting power since since kylo ret I try to kill him in his sleep So imagine what I'll do to you. It's like, oh It's like a chewy lock the millennium falcon tonight Just luke rocking back and forth like she's gonna be the next bad thing that I won't do anything about She she she scatters a bunch of porgs inside the millennium falcon So they'll chirp if they see anybody move or something. They sound exactly like a long clock All right, it looks like thinking I need to find a new island to run to but what if you see a green glow run far Oh, yeah, he has to leave octu to find a different island to then recruit himself Um, I was gonna bring up as well if he actually did that if he held the lightsaber over while she's sleeping She woke up. She wouldn't pull the roof down on him. You know knock him out. She would literally just separate him into atoms That's how fucking strong she is She would annihilate him. Oh, yeah Empire strikes back when luke goes into that dark tunnel and he like faces his inner demons Yeah, that was luke like going giving to the dark wells within the dark side Well, at least he had the good courtesy to chop his head off, you know She didn't she had infinite rays and she just said hey, what's up? I was about to see you I didn't even know that place was the dark side It was just like a place. It's like, oh, I just it's it's literally just a whole of mirrors. I don't know Yeah, it's like I I wouldn't want to live here. It looks like did you see how dark it was down there? She's like, oh, there wasn't any lights like it It's like in fairness it was night time in a cave. So I don't really It doesn't seem like it would be light Yeah, almost Accidentally wandered onto the set of game of thrones season three season eight episode three, you know, basically that's it If that cave was the dark side and she goes into it and then the cave rejects her and she fails Doesn't that mean she's like ultra light? Like yeah, she failed to join the dark side. Is that a good thing? How was that? How's that a flaw? How are you? She didn't glow in there. She she was dark too Uh, I don't know she touched a mirror and saw herself failure To be fair most of us most of us see ourselves when out of mirror That's I I know and that is why we fail. I just love the all dwell in the dark Before that's right. That's why before Before we can figure out whether or not she dwelled there or she failed anything We're like, okay, so you've defined it as the dark side this this weird hole Like I don't even know where you got that from like all of it is just stated as if like, yeah, it's just true Yeah, I also say The vein of argument is taking here isn't actually contradicting the fact that re is a Mary Sue The like a Mary Sue can exist with one or two minor flaws because it's a balance and even the definition What was it? It was a Seemingly perfect. That's not to say an exactly perfect. It's a character that has the appearance That is mostly perfect that that there are not enough flaws to balance out against the Endless, you know Strengths positive things that the character has and also that these positive characteristics the power that they have aren't isn't justified properly So if he wants to actually argue to say that she isn't a Mary Sue He would instead of trying to say look there's a flaw right here Okay, maybe he might be able to point out a single flaw that Ray does has right that doesn't contradict the fact that she's a Mary Sue still okay because that single small flaw doesn't balance it out in any measure It's still way way skewed in Ray's favor with her All of her, you know your skills character powers and all those things So what you're saying is if this was a flaw it does not Help the argument whatsoever that she has flaws because it's such a shitty flaw in the first place But there are also like four different issues with this definition of this being a flaw Like we have four different ways of breaking this down that are like no no No, just Just no so I guess we can move on to the next one. I guess sir. I guess These are mistakes I love it. Just she has no context for this if if Luke was like, oh, there's a big butthole on this island That's the dark side. Don't touch it She's not perfect. She ended that sentence into preposition Like imagine you were there with her and she's about to like go up to you like oh, that looks kind of weird What is that? She's like, oh fucking no, you're like, okay. Just yeah, check it out I'll repel you down like why not it looks like that's a dark side. You fucking retard. You're like, oh Really Location you can just go visit that's a really weird aspect because I thought the whole point in Empire strikes back was that that like area of Dagobah would Challenge you or like you'd have to face your demons in a way It would like for all we know the mushrooms they were giving off some sort of a um an experience Um, yeah, I think it's uh a characteristic of of masters in these fantasy films that they are all dicks because you know Look at look at game of thrones. Look at the three-eyed raven max von seed out What would be the one thing that you would start off the training of brand the one thing would be Oh, and by the way brand whatever you fucking do do not travel Over to warg where the night king is and let him touch you. Okay. Yeah That's the one thing that would completely destroy Everything by shattering the spells on the wall and give him the chance to escape. Don't do that Let's just say half of us don't have the context for this So just to explain right there's a guy who's trying to teach a main character How to use the power of the three-eyed raven which essentially allows you to look into the past future and present Wherever you want at any time. Yeah to design your wheelchairs. Yeah pretty pretty op. Now Nothing can stop you and nothing can get at you Also, there's an army of ice demons that are trying to cross the wall The only way they're gonna be able to Get to you is if they touch you while you're exploring shit So basically brand goes off on his own after What looks to be a lot of time exploring shit and the uh the ice demon guy touches his arm And it makes it so that there's no defenses for brand at that point onwards That the the ice king could just break through everything because he's touched him And the fucking guy who's been teaching him all of this shit for potential like a year or whatever didn't tell him about this Yeah, I wouldn't let off with that one. I that'll be the first. It'll be etched on the fucking wall Don't let creepy old iceman touch you Lesson number one Do not let the night king touch you all other lessons are irrelevant that do whatever the fuck you want outside of that Christ, why does everything suck? Yeah, so yoda sends luke into the the tree to you know have to decapitate himself and luke lets Ray go down into the arsehole of the island Uh, where it's very very dark. Yeah. It's just a dick thing. I don't know. I just realized So let's let's have this play out. She goes down. She comes back and he goes you went to the dark side butthole She's like, yep He's like you you're probably full on dark side disgusting. She's like, well, why'd you have a problem with that? Well, dark side's bad. It's like, oh, it's the light side's better Uh, it's like I thought you said the jet I suck what Okay, yeah, but the dark side's worse even though the light side kind of suck It's like, okay, so why aren't you gonna help me stop the dark side from obliterating the galaxy? because I Because I don't want I fucking want to drink milk And then she ends up by saying hello, just kidding the dark side was scary He's like, oh, I've got all this power. I'm gonna use it to destroy the empire and take over the world. He's like At least you're not the jedi. Yeah, at least you're not the jedi. You should probably do something about this, but I came here to die ray over 30 years. I've just sat here waiting to die because I don't know how dying works You think this damn milk would have killed me by now that I just keep on sucking He's like all it does is make my bones strong And Osteoporosis is a joke to me. Do you hear a joke if you have a gathered ray? I make no sense Just as a person in general So, yeah, the uh the message of this is uh, if anybody wants to dwell within my dark side, just hit me up in the DM Absolutely Pushes wrong button releases This saves the day this actually saves them they were about to get it they're about to get executed by the fucking scottish mafia. What the hell Come on Even yeah, exactly her fuck. She is so perfect that even her fuck ups saved lives Right, that is not a flaw. That is This is what we call grasping at straws ladies and gentlemen I You know what? I'll agree with him that she probably shouldn't with everything we know about her I'm surprised she pushed the wrong button. It's like does she even know that that's possible I always thought that she just knew everything about everything It's like the plot allows her to make mistakes only if they can further the only if they can facilitate amazing things happening Like that's how insane it is. Like what does she actually do? That's a legit consequential fuck up that doesn't lead to some kind of terrible thing But and again, this isn't a character flaw Even if this was even if this happened the way he's presenting it It would just be a mistake an honest mistake a person made Yeah, and that's not what we're what our problem is. We expect people to make honest mistakes This is such a like it's part of being Sad videos like Because I was about to say so he's first arguing He's first going to be arguing why she's not perfect Apparently there is going to be a point where he argues that she's a great character. You guys ready for that. I'm not I am my Do you think it's going to be arguments or is it going to be more like one sentences? Just over scenes that aren't aren't related to those sentences. She is nice to people She goes through things. She matches her journey matches the themes. You're like, oh It metabolizes oxygen efficiently Oh, is that it? Do you have something I'm not ready for that scene. Holy crap Genuinely, dude, like I said in my video when she's losing her shit trying to talk to him because he killed Han Solo I was like, man I'm actually kind of feeling something for a second there because of the idea That this character's dad, even though that doesn't make sense Was killed by this person and this person's trying to ask her questions and she can't compose herself I was like, oh, that's kind of good. Next scene. Can you put a shirt on please? Like what what what what what? Why why just need to put a shirt on what's what? Not accepting shirtless kylo red is a flaw Biggest character flaw. Well, I You know, this must have been intentional on kylo's funny joke. He was initiating it He knew he knew Well, if he knew it right and if he if he wants to throw Ray off like why doesn't he commit to it and go full naked? Just I I think it would be I do. I just fucking say hey ray. What's up, and I'd be helicoptering that bitch around I don't know man I probably would have congratulated ryan if he'd gone as far as having him on the toilet with a newspaper and he's like Oh Look, I get it. We have to talk about shit, but I don't know about it. I'm reading the funny page You know, there's two million and a quarter people on the ship Why do you why do you keep coming to me when I'm on the toilet? She's like, that's not me There you go. You've made a comment. Is that a pork shaped thing or a thingy shaped pork? I hope he appears to you in times of great distress It makes sense I use the force I mean if Luke Skywalker can fly an x-wing and shoot an x-wing so well Enough to blow up a death star that I'm pretty sure that ray could most certainly pilot It's not that she can pilot it It's that she could pilot it better than it has ever been piloted ever before ever Fuck this argument on the first try First of all, what aboutism just because another thing is bad does not mean the primary thing is bad Secondly, it makes complete fucking sense that Luke's skill is piloting He talks about it throughout the whole fucking movie Exactly it's well established And that's like one of the only things that Luke is Good at off the bat He really struggles to get his hand over the force and stuff like in the first movie All he has kind of is the feeling trusts the force kind of stuff That's all he really gets tree and the beginning of the next movie where I don't know how much time has passed He has only got to the point where he can barely pull a light saber to his hand after really trying When his life depends on it That's how many how many years of past as well isn't it like three years? Yeah, it's like a long period of time and ray is here and she suddenly realizes oh forces can talk to people I'm gonna now dominate this guy's mind by suggestion instantly because I want to yeah, I'm like And as was pointed out by john in the chat and this is something we talked about and one of the other Recent e-faps as well is that the company who makes the The hopper and the company makes the x-wing same company so the controls will be and he says as much He's like it's no different than blah blah blah blah. He mentions uh What is it one prats? One prats or something like that is the film is trying to tell us the one skill He fucking has that he nails in this movie is something that's inherent to his character based on tatooine Ray on the other hand as like fucking seven of those It's even at the beginning of the movie when you know, um, han says pilot yourself It is like i'm not such a bad pilot myself. I could file it fly this thing Like even from the beginning of the film it's establishing luke can fly Oh, yeah Definitely, and I mean and he's a great shot that he can hit the uh, the you know exhaust port That's about two meters big. He says well, I used to bullseye uh, wamp rats in my t16 back home They're not much bigger than two meters And so any use of the force how do you use the force? This is a thing people uh like Go ahead when he's flying the x-wing at the end, you know, he's got all these people helping him And he's got you know tie fighters on his back and han so saves him Nobody saves ray they go to save ray and she's already saved herself. It's like they just wasted the trip She's yeah, like lol too slow And this is one of the piloting thing Like there's no way that ray with her upbringing would ever be in a position where she pilot A spacecraft. Hey rags. Let's she's scrounging together parts just to not not even for money Right. She's not even doing it for money. She's just doing it for food Let's uh, let's let's I was gonna say rags. Let's let the our four guests right now know a different argument that came up on a previous efap Um Just just it just reminded me it's not necessarily related but still star wars So why didn't they use y-wings in the opening battle of tlj to use as bombers? So so that's a decent question decent question. Uh, the counter to that was most of the audience don't know what a y-wing is Under that logic at the beginning of the film no one knew what those bombers were either we Exactly the bombers are brand new What the fuck It was oh, that was just right wasn't it? Well, I guess y-wings are built to operate in zero gravity and the bombers needed to drop bombs. So that's that's why Basically the fuck tardation of physics Was enabled in in those bombers when your movie requires physics to die in order to work Exactly But yes, uh people this is an argument that's trolled out a lot The uh luke is no less a mary sue than ray and it's utterly bewildering to me That's that's bull. Absolutely rubbish absurd To blow up a death star then i'm pretty sure that ray could have you heard it when people compared to anakin as well Not to say that anakin doesn't have certain abilities I hope he kind of says it to be honest because we can explore it But I love the idea that you're referring to the guy who had his all of his limbs chopped off He was bird to a crisp as a mary sue Oh You're a mary sue. He's like blood coming out of him That's actually an important part in kind of the uh light dark comparison because the dark side always says that it's more powerful You know, you don't underestimate the power of the dark side and stuff And yet when anakin is so high on his power. He thinks is so great Uh obi one just trashes him, you know, uh, it's like yeah dark side Not as powerful as you think buddy, you know, um, yeah, yeah, it can't it can't Uh, oh it can't fix your overconfidence I was gonna save it for the meme section, but a lot of people want me to address this I don't know if you guys know But uh, the toy line has has been coming out for episode nine and why wings are in it Uh, which means that why wings will possibly appear in episode nine, which means this is like raised We're the fuck with a And don't you dare tell me that why wings are more expensive than those massive abominations Do you want better eggs? Nobody knows what they are. So why but oh shit. They're in the movie. Uh, nobody remembers not what they are That's why they're called why wings because no one knows what they are Why Yes, exactly why why wings Look, I think it's gonna be because ray is gonna go back in time And so we're gonna go back to the battle of yavin They're gonna go ahead and see the why wings on her way to basically be Schmi Skywalker, I'm telling you are we gonna get why wings lot wings who wings where wings and our wings chicken wings And they're gonna make get this they're gonna make anakin A mary sue because what's gonna happen is to explain why schmi skywalker didn't actually free herself From the sand people it's gonna be because anakin being a toxic white male Stole all of her force power when he was born It makes sense and so he will be ray. He will be mary sue. It will be the rise of skywalker. I'm telling you rise of the You know, I'll be far more satisfying Ray goes back in time not as far generally goes back in time a little bit has a sex change And she is what becomes snoke that that oh my god As you can see the surgery some there was a complication in the surgery There are some extra holes gotten places they shouldn't have been Yes, I'm picture like just the way what is the worst thing that she goes back in time And there's nothing that actually comes of it. She just has an aneurysm and falls over. You're like, oh I'd laugh Of course, of course, the only thing strong enough to defeat ray was ray Oh All right, let's see what else this guy's got Certainly pilot the falcon on her first try. We know that luke skywalkers father anakin skywalker and later darth vader Is where he inherited his piloting skills because anakin was such a great pilot during um I don't know if that's necessarily true. Yeah, so I don't know if piloting skill is genetic I don't think that's how it works You've got the gms for the y-wigs I like how everyone ever would have been like wait a minute Then I think you can automatically pilot due to your father's ability to pilot Yeah, if your father wasn't around to teach you probably no correlation. Why Why would he cite that instead of citing luke saying over and over again is something he does what the fuck Well, because that doesn't help his argument Make argument for ray. I don't know. I I it's like the uh argument that when you uh teach a Tapeworm to maneuver a maze or something and then you chop it up and feed it to other tapeworms They know how to run the maze. So maybe uh, they served luke vader's hand Uh and and he inherited the knowledge that That's just a theory It pans out, I guess It works. I get what you're saying. It's just what a strange Thank you. Thank you when you're forced when you're forced to defend tlj. This is where you end up Piloting is genetic of star wars. Gotcha Christ, well, it'll star wars now is basically like a parasite that's feeding off of something great Well, you know, you never saw what obi-wan did with the limbs. He cut off anakin. He could have been feeding them the luke the whole time Oh, no Oh, no, I mean he is all Could be where that could be where ray comes from the hand that got chopped off of luke was taken And then ray grew out from the hand Out of this finger getting my blue milk See so many films we've skipped over that have such fascinating stories to tell luke's arm a star wars story Wasn't it actually isn't that actually a theory? I don't remember who was there some video where they were saying like when ray is in the cave The shadows are supposed to be chabaca and han solo and they like cloned ray from themselves or something Um anything's possible. You know what happened to um, you know happened to anakin's Severed arm was that they went to go find it But randomly a fluke of physics occurred and it was transported into the cloverfield paradox Which is why it was sentient because of the force Yeah, it all fits. I mean you guys are putting way too much effort into this with theories these days All you need to go is like so you you have all these questions Yeah, like like who is no query to come from who raised parents how's this all gonna roll out? Where's the emperor coming from blah blah you go job of the hut Job of the hut Like I don't I don't follow job of the hut Okay It makes more sense now. Remember. He's that slug guy from their turn Jedi. Yes. If that explains your point He's the guy If they don't know why wings they're not gonna know java Oh god, you're right. Remember how java had like a palace there you go That explains it. Don't you get much further than that? I wonder who lives there. I think it is like with bad writing people do sometimes Default to an excuse to explain things that is just as lame But they actually do it in real life and that's like magic and with star wars you have the magic the force did it Yeah, it was just the force. I mean, you know, where did any can come from the force? Oh, okay Oh that oh Is the only force they are there multiple force babies does the force be child support? I need The I need to know how many single moms out there I just I just saw this on the discord and I want to share it with you right now Pikachu apparently the user drew it I need to pop up I mean, just click it if it's been It's so cute. I must say this immediately. This is absolutely adorable. Who drew this? Uh, use a Pikachu I've seen him in the chat. Yes Reg, it's a little adorable. Gee. I am I have saved this. This is amazing. I love this so much This is my face when we watch these fucking stupid best videos That is fantastic. I really like that that is great. Thank you say and don't fret There's a lot of people who've sent a lot of things in we've got so many memes to get through I'm just waiting for the right time to do it same for super chats. It'll all be done I swear to god. There's no way I won't do it Oh man, I wish wolf is here. I imagine how many pizzas he would have been in through right now At least 17 I think at this point. That's how we would measure time Pieces are kind of clock shaped, right? Oh, yeah, yeah I remember it would be like a timeline or countdown or timer or clock stop What what are the things to fucking brown table say all the different way to choose a girl? Sorry I didn't know Pikachu's girl. I've only seen the name in the chat. I don't In Pikachu not be a guy Oh, yeah, he's a guy in detective Pikachu technically. Yeah Hey, what are you doing? Don't you have to ask the Pikachu what gender it identifies as and come on 2019 Some fucking respect Jesus So anyway back to how Luke is a Mary Sue. Yeah Is where he inherited his piloting skills because Anakin was such a great pilot during the clone wars And we also know that Luke Skywalker had a sky hopper and land speeder on tatter wean Yeah, I see so I would assume that that's where he got his piloting abilities from rather than genetics, but I mean in fairness you can inherit some of the base characteristics like That lead to developing skills like my dad was a good artist and me and my brother picked it up quicker than other people Because we inherited certain things. That's not just the skill But like the ability to be out and measure proportions and you know translate things balance reaction time our hands Yeah, I get that but When when you're literally talking about learning how to use a particular piece of technology It's like uh, you probably practiced with other pieces of technology No It's nothing new to Luke Skywalker that he can probably shoot a gun on a spaceship And also can fly if he has to fly But let's move on and kind of apply the same thing to rey see rey has been a scavenger for years now So it's no secret that she wouldn't know how to fly these older ships and speeders any ship any ship Yeah, okay. Look, it'll it's not difficult. Let's take let's let's take a real world equivalent, right? let's take a car right as as Spaceships become more and more and more common because they become more and more and more user friendly So that that'll be the equivalent. All right. You can teach someone how to drive a car You probably teach them how to drive a car in 10 minutes now the rules of the road and the maintenance and upkeep and the the There's some details obviously that's what's the difficult part But driving the car this is the brake. This is the gas this steers it Put it in d to go forward put it and already go backwards and put it in p when you're done That's it. That's all it takes it's it's but there's not but they're not gonna It will be very difficult to figure that out if you just get into a car and have to figure it all out on your own Now maybe she maybe she read material. Maybe she got some schematics. Maybe she's learned some way Oh, I know that I know how to do it I've I've read how to do it or seen how to do it, but I've never done it myself. Sure. I can buy that But that doesn't excuse the level of incredible proficiency. She displays on her first try Because the force i'm telling you you just drags can't drive a stick shift. I drive a 2004 mazda speed miata It's a six speed suck my dick get into my dark place Well, the problem with this guy's logic here is she says well, you know Ray has been a scavenger of scrap for years. Well, the problem is a scrap doesn't fly. That's why it's scrap So she really wouldn't have learned all that much and doesn't she say she's only ever flown in atmosphere Not i'm not i'm i'm i think she says that she's only ever say something like that. Yeah implied like imagine if Imagine if you if you had to if you lived in a junkyard for airplanes And there's a guy who paid you for parts and you just scavenged the airplane all day Doesn't mean you're gonna be able to learn how to like fly the plane the second you get in it Just because you pull parts out of the engine Exactly And you can have you can have scrap that drives. I mean look at fiat's All right, well I don't know anything about cause so Rags, how do you insult fiat's? I don't know that anyone doesn't care about fiat's No, no Okay, yeah, that's fine. It's fine. It's fine. There'll be there will be there's there's three thousand people watching percentage-wise Some people will enjoy that. Yeah, we got we got a ha ha ha. There we go from b cause. Well, look at that Well, he knows cause Uh Cargai credentials intact Um, yeah, I think that was worth the effort and the subsequent discussion after the fact So, um, yeah, uh come at me Since she basically grew up scavenging them for spare parts Also, a lot of people tend to forget that ray wasn't born on jack q Is that you know how many people scavenge the copper from ac units? Tell them to build an air conditioner You know those guys that take copper from buildings from pipes, they know how to create a whole plumbing system You're a plumber now. You're an electrician I Like How to be an f1 race car driver, right? Like these are different things Yeah, besides this is the origin for every fucking one of abilities. Everyone always comes back to the fact She's scavenged on jack who that explains everything He's like that might give her some overlap in certain circumstances but Being a scavenger, maybe not the most ideal upbringing If you want if your goal is to become a space warrior who can fly better than anyone's ever flown before to echo Uh, yeah, though the explanation isn't necessarily what we require Because even with explanations for everyone of their abilities, she's still fucking amazing Right being justified or not has nothing to do with a mary soonus Because you know Captain marvel is justified Captain marvel's abilities are justified. She's still insane. Yeah Yeah, if it's justified enough, it's easy to accept But what you want in addition to it is weaknesses to balance it out to be appropriately challenged to be defeated And other things to make good conflict and stuff. And so There there is a lot to the whole mary su thing to prevent it Because you can't have a character that's overpowered that doesn't feel like a mary su That's one of the very things I tried to do with my own novel is I wanted the character to be way power overpowered and stuff But then you balance it out also in fairness to his definition. It didn't say inexplicably. It just said like overpowered Well, if you had if you had it established that ray was the child of you know, luke skywalker So you have a force bloodline and then you say oh Ray was raised from birth to be like this ultra warrior But you don't see any of this happen on screen and then you just see her as like a teenager kicking ass And not having any flaws having no problems. You still say well, it makes sense, but it's still horrible mary su with no character arc Well, yeah, I think you yeah his definition said an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character So um again, like I said having having an explanation for their powers doesn't actually negate the mary suness from that definition The ideal female character is fictional I'd say How dare you the racism Yeah, the problem with the mary su is not that they're overpowered. The problem is that narratively in terms of Structure in the story itself when a character is already at the pinnacle of what they can do There's no evolution. There's nowhere for them to go. They're essentially a dead character Narratively speaking and so there's no interest whatsoever. That's the problem. The amendment I kind of appreciate was that it's not that they're like perfect at everything It's that they're perfect at everything the plot requires as a as an obstacle Every everything the plot puts into their way. They're perfect at solving it Yeah, that's a good qualifier because obviously we don't know that ray is amazing at chess or the He's like a really good gymnast. He's like, yeah, these things don't really come up. So Oh, but you know, she's a great gymnast because she somersaults over the TIE fighter that's stupidly charging at her in the trailer. Yeah, you're right That doesn't shoot at it. She was a scavenger on jacu. It makes sense We saw her rappel down that means she can do somersaults Right, right You know balance beams and thus she became a master gymnast. What makes a good rat rag? What makes a good rat So many things but was rather just left there to die as a young girl because her parents Just didn't care about that's a really shitty flashlight. Also left there to die The father was always confused about was was uncapped her dad Because he's holding her hand Like did he operate as her dad? Did he was he like her guardian? You know, I mean He was like her slave overlord because he's like I left there to die It's like well, I guess she wasn't necessarily left there to die. He probably looked at like she was left to be a slave Oh left her to be in indentured servitude to him Which isn't great. He left her there because she was so fucking annoying. She was so good at everything You solved all of their problems. They're like, I hate you Like your kid has always fucking beaten him at chess and jenga and everything you're like I can't stand this smug little shit Giving him life lessons about work. Fuck you What do you know for the last time girl? Maybe you should come to grips with your alcoholism because it's hurting you and it's hurting mommy and it causes emotional distress and those around you Shut up Comes out with like incredible philosophical statements and he's like, what are you two what the fuck when she When array was born. She gave her mother a better orgasm than her father ever Yeah, all right, they're felt inadequate ever since And he says right let's go walkies ray. Let's go for a little walkie. Shall we And then ray says why are you holding my hand? You don't need to hold my hand? No, no, no, she's holding his hand Yeah, so so he doesn't get lost Holding him up She's holding him up Oh god blood is like i'll buy him for you know x units and he's like no no no i will buy her To have you take her i will pay you to take her away It's funny to watch the chat eventually catch up to the joke that i've already made Yeah, yeah They're all they're all insulted by your disgusting your degeneracy And so would so would acid is that an orgasmic birth reference you fucking bet your ass it is That is a rlm reference passionate Coming and going seven and eight And episode nine has yet to be released, but for what it's worth Ray was just kind of stranded on jacu and was basically a scavenger her entire life And like i mentioned these wow, so she should be shit at basically everything gotcha. Yep. Hey, man. She's a scavenger She should be good at scavenging I you wonder how she even learned how to read in that setting Like oh Don't bring these things up. Where's our education coming from? Uncapple it is cool for Franchise children Now read on out with me see I think these are those levels These are the classes It is very stranded on jacu from the battle of jacu Which was the final battle in the galactic civil war? So these are the same ships around the time that the millennium falcon was made or put into commission at least um Is he trying to outdo the car that was made Well, if the and there's a general thing we've discussed this before Somewhat that in the last jedi and in star wars really in general There's like a technology stagnation that keeps the theme as it is thousands of years ago You had the older public and all that stuff It's like warhammer and lord of the rings stuff like that. So it doesn't matter if it's a little older I'm fine with that I think it's reasonable to think that there's sort of a standardization of technology that occurs and things stay the way they are So most things are going to be older than ray anyway So that shouldn't have anything to do with it that it's necessarily an older ship I think he's trying to say that the falcon is from the same era as the down ships in the graveyard Therefore it makes sense that she would learn how to possibly drive them would translate to the falcon No, I can believe that she can turn it on that she could start the ignition I I I know I I can believe that she knows how to take it out of park But the kind of incredible blue angels maneuvers that she's pulling Yeah, gotta be a little bit more stretch people will counter with well don't you remember? She hits like the ground at one point. It's like she also does something more incredible than anyone has ever done with that thing so Hard to believe that that's like a world record speedrunner for 0.03 seconds getting hung up on a pixel And what's annoying about it, right? Is that that like, you know chase scene with the millenium falcon and the tie fighters? If you just look at that by itself without the context, it's really awesome It's a cool kind of you know space battle 15 was cool moves and everything But it's completely undermined and robbed by the fact that it doesn't make sense that she can even do it And it's just like well and to add insult to injury. He's like, you know, what the fuck just happened? She's like, I don't know. It's like what? Oh I did it all by accident the force Oh, no, another one of my fuckups Is another one of my flaws The second time this movie my fuckup saved everyone's lives We talked These are the same ships around the time that the millenium falcon was made or put into commission at least I mean, let's just apply this to real world stuff though for a minute too I mean, I can't drive stick shift But if I had that's because you're fucking version loser cars and Just kind of worked on those cars for years. Then yeah, odds are I'm not insulting him. I'm describing it He also like that he just created a bit of a straw man. Is that like his point isn't Completely applicable. Ray isn't repairing anything. She's pulling things apart. She's scavenging At no point did it establish. She is building and fixing things and saying Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah Well, I was just saying that his whole argument was that if I was a mechanic and I was fixing cars I would know how to drive them, but that's not what ray is doing false equivalents Exactly. If you are a scavenger and you survive by Associating certain parts with certain returns and food You don't have to know what they are what they're called what their function is on the ship All you have to do is be able to know Oh, this kind of part that looks kind of like this is valuable and I get a lot of money or a lot of food for this But these parts over here. Ah, they're so common. They're not worth bringing back That's all you have to really do in order to survive in that gig And I would have been fixed really easily if they just added a small scene or just replaced front of the scenes with her Actually building a ship She wants to you know Well, she's waiting for someone But maybe she might be playing with the idea of getting free herself to find them And that she's building a ship to use to fly off done That would solve the fact that she knows how to build something and if she's been practicing flying it That could explain maybe briefly a small not as fully as how good she ends up being in that fine scene But it can establish somewhat that should be out of fly And yeah problem solved, but there's nothing like that for us to be out of draw from I was supposed to say some people are referencing. Didn't she build a speeder bike? Didn't she have the simulation in her helmet in the ship? It's like none of the shits in the movie This is all from third party books and shit and I don't know if you guys know about this but like the book tried to justify why she's so powerful She apparently like downloaded Kylo's abilities when she forced sexed him What? That's canon They try and explain that the reason she's so good with the force is because when she was doing her forced tisms with kylo She like copy and pasted his training into her own head by accident So how does she beat the shit out of him? Wait, but yeah In the force awakens. I don't even have the answer She's so powerful. She accidentally stole someone's powers. Let the guy let the guy who writes the next book worry about that bit It's bad. It's bad. Hey, I've got to run you guys I'm sorry. I got a I got a head out, but uh, listen man. It was a lot of fun. Thank you for the invite No problem dude. It's been fun. Oh, yeah And I hope you make it the 24. I think you will we got it He's gonna do you go handle it. We got cheerleaders in chat. We'll do it Awesome, you guys will Thanks a lot you guys. Thank you so much You're under pleasure Ciao and the force be with you always I'll download it later Tell you what if I knew that the force couldn't pregnant my wife, I would not want her near it It's like you want to be a Jedi? No So shad your editor just super chatted rags is a sick puppy. Also, hi rags Hello I feel great. I'm very well. I'm very healthy dog. Yeah, look at that picture. He's very healthy. Yeah Am I on the far? Am I on the far right on your stream because that would change my view of the person you whoever is my You're giving shad a look Say that. Oh, yeah I don't know what this look means, but it's a look See that red. My editor is awesome. I just see late guys know that. Oh, he's a champion Editor but I hardly know her Got him All right, let's see where this goes Probably be able to drive one if need be and probably be better at driving a stick shift Then your average novice who doesn't really know anything about bullshit There is no fucking way that as someone who is someone who has only Owned who learned who my my dad taught me how to drive a stick ship. That's my first car That shit is fucking hard With somebody telling you how it's done figuring it out on your own Oh, yeah, that's gonna be a bumpy ride literally Yep, I mean again cars kind of desperation or house. Yeah, it's that's that's desperation. I'm sure you've figured out Yeah, maybe you've given enough training in time and Oh, no, that's just work So, yeah, it just kind of checks out to me as to why Ray might be such a good pilot And also Ray and Luke also have something called the force inside of That's what you've given up by the way, that's what when you say the force did it. It's like you gave up It's magic Force did it guys. You're just nitpicking I don't fucking know the force did it So so the force made her press the wrong button and then Have a giant squid jelly monster fucking killer It's a force like you gotta press the button, bitch It's like, you know, just to clarify it's not the same as Literally when when obi-wan is like use the force guide the rocket into the desk star with Accuracy plus force It's like because we know the force is actually able to do stuff like that But when you have this ability that's not connected to the force whatsoever You just go the force to it. I don't fucking know The force it lets you can can the force help you like be a great bartender. Yes Can the force help you be a fantastic? I don't know Hotel concierge. I mean, what is the limits of what the force lets you do exactly? Well, how dare you imply there are limits previous Yeah, if we go off the previous movies the force establishes much faster reflexes which translates You know into like piloting, you know flying to be really really good and stuff But you need the you need to know how to pilot in the first place To be able to get that benefit from the force and that's kind of the big question We're trying to say here's like the fact that she even knows how to pilot isn't established or not And even to pilot to that level of competency And if she can't do that, it doesn't matter how much help from the force She could get and the other side of that is that she isn't really supposed to be that You know well trained in the force at this point in the movie at all and so Even if it's a a kind of uh, you know inherent thing like young anakin did with his pod racing that he was a great You know pod racer because of inherent force attributes Well, he was training and he knew how to pilot already to be able to get that benefit Ray doesn't well shouldn't have that she just gets it out of nowhere So you're saying it can teach you to be a masterful composer Yes Well, of course, I mean it should be able to teach you to do anything I just picture like Amadeus Mozart obviously had force powers I saw Amadea Amadea Well, that's gonna be a meme uh, but yeah, you know what I agree. Let's see what else he's got It's not like we saw that in the original trilogy when luke Called on it to blow up the death star when no one else could and he was kind of a novice around that time too, so uh I don't know just just a just a random thought so, you know, we already addressed this so we're good He's having a random fault guys leave him alone Now let's move on to the complaint that ray is just so skilled with a lightsaber There's no way that she would be able to use it that well on her first try Here's the thing ray is so skilled with a lightsaber Oh, do tell sir, please keep going. Yeah, I was gonna say why did you pull? I'm so excited I I am listening with such interest because she used a staff which is a very similar weapon Not in any way no Not in any way That is an insane thing to say Look a staff is just a big sword think about it It's a big stick And the other thing it only showed her beating up some thugs Which we could assume have nowhere near the skill or competency of the imperial guard. All right And she was a bit flailing with the avatars on jack who? Oh, so they must be able to do everything of course. Sorry. Yeah Oh, jeez But even if even if we would say which you can't that all staff skill fighting ability is 100 bit transferable to swords which we know it's not It wasn't even showing that she was a master staff fighter She just knocked around some thugs and that was it. She's not at the level of the imperial guard by any measure But shag she's a scavenger Oh She has the force. Well, what am I saying? It makes sense if you don't think about it You defend yourself so when you're given another sword-like weapon Sword-like weapon See this stick basically a sword-like weapon I mean, they're all the same think about it. You see this Glock. This is a sword-like weapon You see this pile of papers Sword-like weapon This is an artillery piece That's why she was so good at flying the millennium falcon. It's a sword-like Why do we even have words everything is a sword-like weapon Translate her skills and kind of applied her previous skills with the staff You're right. That's how she mind-controlled the stormtrooper her words are a sword-like weapon People actually try and argue out of that one too. It's like it's only natural You know, you're you're sitting there thinking like, oh, you know, let me go uh mind trick I don't think that follows through Other people like oh, she would have heard stories It's like all you had to do for that was have a like have some kind of fucking exposition line Where all she knows about jedi she's talking to fins like oh they can like mind control people or some shit Easy but no she just pulls it out of her ass because she she does with everything It ass is a sword-like weapon I'll tell you cat marvel's ass ain't like a It's like a pancake like weapon We love captain marvel here actually no yeah, the uh, millennium falcon is a weird sword And again, none of these none of the even if there's explanations for all of this It still wouldn't help her character at all Lightsaber and I mean we see that in the force awakens and even more directly in the last jedi Winner a picks up the lightsaber and starts swinging the thing around and You swung a staff and then she swung a sword that means they're the same And the way she was swinging that thing around did not establish her with any level of competency That rock didn't stand a fucking chance The rock got fucking obliterated Yeah, I don't know what I'm doing, but you guys get the point and of course somebody had to comment back on my thread on Twitter about this and say i'm actually i'm a martial artist and a sword and a star So can you believe that I was on twitter and some fucking experts some ass films an expert told me I was way wrong But fuck that guy, but I corrected him. It is a sword-like weapon. God damn it I'm sure he's drawing off a well of experience and knowledge on the subject Fucking so-called experts. Fuck him. Look mr. martial art fighter. What are you talking about? I make star wars videos on youtube I know a thing or two about weapons I'm floored by the idea that he's talking about a specific subject someone who claims to be an expert gives him information He's like fucking experts is coming up to me with a shit Fucking I want like there might be a lot of people who actually aren't aware of my background and you know youtube channel and stuff So when I talk about weaponry and combat and stuff, it's coming from experience with historical swordsmanship Okay, I train in it and I study it for most of my life. So Trust me guys. I was a scavenger on jacu I think I know my way around There we go, we hit it right from shad mostly everything is a sword-like weapon. Thank you dude Fuck y'all She probably had youtube on on jacu. So, you know she spent a lot of time watching sword tutorials jack youtube jack jack tube Sword and a staff are too entirely different weapons. So she wouldn't know how to use them and so that I say We're in space movie. Oh, so it doesn't make sense then Space movie The man who's been using an attempt at logical arguments for the past like five fucking main statements suddenly goes logic Doesn't even matter. It's a space movie I can't explain my shit. It's a space movie for kids. Okay. Fucking hell Remember when force gumps force choke the man to death? Well, it doesn't have to make sense It's a comedy you can do anything Remember that animated movie where they all ripped each other to shreds toy story It's bad toys didn't have to make no sense Remember in Jurassic park when the dr. Hadouken never lost a rameter It's a fictional movie about dinosaurs. Why are you complaining? I've said before reaching giving up. This is the bedrock of giving up. It's like it ain't supposed to make sense Okay, I hate that argument so much and people bring it up. It's fantasy. It's not supposed to be realistic Of course, that's why there's gravity in the world. You know, like, uh, well Hang on gravity. Yeah, no gravity fair enough, but calm down Sword-like weapons shad really you're gonna pull the same kind of thing with sword-like weapons. Come on I'll get back to that a little bit later And also I mean it just kind of makes sense how if I had a stick-like weapon and then was given another stick You just you just Isn't a stick Oh, it looks like it looks like the it looks like the sword trees are coming in nicely this year. Why'd we have bumper crop? Uh Christ sake if you have no argument don't make it You know like the idea that you your actual argument is I have no argument like just you just you're being redundant Just say just say it doesn't fucking make sense. Yeah, save us the fucking time Jesus Christ Like weapon then I could probably put two and two together and apply some skills I know from that skill to a new found shad. Tell us about self-taught swordsmanship versus train swordsman Well, it depends what you mean by self-taught you can't you were a scavenger on jack who with a stick Okay And if you didn't have anyone to train with regularly, uh, no your your skills are probably gonna be real And again, if it's just with a stick she could get competent with this stick, okay But only certain things would translate to a sword And there's Yeah, there's certain moves that would Throw you off completely and a lot of technique and I mean a lot of technique that you would be wholly oblivious to That is related to swordsmanship if you are only ever using a quarter staff And if you're finding someone who is aware of those techniques, they will trash you like Complete. Hey, hey shad just just a year ago. Did you see yourself in the future justifying? Self-taught stick like craftsmanship on on a live stream the 3 000 people Oh, of course You don't foresee this kind of thing. It's the peak of a career That's why he got into this business. Well, it's funny like On my channel, I do um, uh argue in support of Self-teaching yourself swordsmanship because there's actually a lot of good online resources you can look to I'm not sure ray had the internet. She could look up Say Of course Have the resources relax. She gets in the jacuzzi jacuzzi Don't laugh at that That was great. Don't don't abandon that one. Don't encourage me frags. Keep going. Keep that shit Frags, we've we've got a we're only just passed halfway. Oh, yeah, we are halfway now. We did it with five minutes Hooray, well, we'll edit some edit some confetti and uh, there's like some kazoos in post Wow, wow, that's amazing. You see it coming. Oh, wow, it comes to the top. It's so colorful. Wow Yeah, what are we talking about? Millennium falcons of sword-like weapons? What? We were talking about how shad began earlier by saying He was beating the shit out of his brother who was a total novice with melee weapons and here we are in that Something I remembered randomly all of a sudden this is where it just seemed topical It's a great video actually and it's if you ever want to get an insight as to The the the level of difference like you ever see those fights where a swordsman is just trashing heaps of people And it's if they're because they're it's untrained There's actually precedent for that if you actually watch someone fight who has some measure of knowledge in you know Swordsmanship fighting someone who has no measure. It's amazing how like the skill difference and how easy it is to beat them The the contest is almost non-existent. I take umbridge with you describing one of your videos is great And I'll tell you why that implies that some of them aren't Which is offensive to me shad I I should have more faith in my own work. Yeah. Thank you. I'll remember that You are the Mary Sue of youtube. How does it feel? Oh, I would say it's balanced out quite nicely by my many character flaws. Oh neat. Yeah, okay You know what one of them is What's that? I didn't like far from home done. I mean a lot of people did and you're right Aha, there we go On skill or technique the only reason why Ray was able to wait. Sorry. Did he just flash on screen or did I skip forward? I think I might have skipped forward Sorry, let me play that again. That was terrifying together and apply some skills I know from that skill to a new found skill or technique the only Oh, he did He fucked up I knew something terrified me. He didn't he didn't drag his uh, his footage together There's a little gap and underneath it. I guess he was still playing. How do you know that wasn't on purpose rags? I got done done done done Well We've yeah, I did that it was in my last video There was a tiny little moment where one of my dog transitions was just barely It was a little bitty moment where he just wasn't on screen for just a blip The problem is that editing software is not a sore like weapon, so he's not One more time to that I say we're in space movie, but I'll get back to that a little bit later And also I mean it just kind of makes sense how if I had a stick like weapon and then was given another stick like weapon Then I could probably put two and two together and apply some skills that I know from that I like sorry that statement implies that stick fighting is like a craft that has been honed like to fight with stick It's like you do understand that sticks. They're not consistent There's a lot of different types of space movie Most people probably don't resort to using sticks as weapons But it's stick like it's also It's a false equivalence in what I'm what is saying you're saying Some things would transfer and you know, yes some things would transfer But you know what's happening in the movie all skill is transferring In fact, she is arguably better with the lightsaber than she is with the stick And so what you're arguing here isn't exactly what's happening. It's not justifying what you're saying False equivalence if she was fighting some random guy who didn't you know have a never picked up a lightsaber Okay, finally makes sense. But this guy is supposed to be trained for years Yeah, people say there that he was injured that that would affect his fighting ability Outlaw being injured of course does affect your ability to some measure But then you can gauge how injured he is by the level of mobility He has in the scene and he has pretty full mobility. Okay And his head isn't injured He would still know the technique and stuff and when it comes to sword fighting in particular It's one of those kind of realms in which strength isn't a huge Benefit it and offers certain benefit, especially when you want to obtain leverage in the bind against your opponent Strength has a benefit. But in regards to many other aspects Swordsmanship is one of those areas in which you don't need strength to be able to be very competent And skillful in it and even if he has lost a bit of strength because of his injury He would still be fighting at a way higher level than rate in my opinion Yeah, but you're kind of biased you know stuff Damn my research if only this wasn't a space movie Yeah, I was gonna say what do you know about space chad? Hmm. What do you know about space? I mean, yeah, have you had experience with force dad? Like, you know, clearly it's the force here Because kylo he's kylo. He doesn't have the force in this fight scene I mean he like is injured and so if he's worried that his physical ability might not be up to spa up to par You would assume that his force of powers should be still high And if he has the ability to stop a blaster bolt in flight He could have just thrown ray 100 meters picked her up snapped her neck force choked her But he decides not to do that because he's gonna rely on you know a skill that is based on physical ability when he's injured And even though I still think he would be able to beat ray with his while being injured Clearly the force ability he has here should have been out at just destroy ray I was I was partially disappointed like red lair media I love the show of those guys, but they're like, oh, I still stupid The people think it's ridiculous that ray beat him here. It's like why though like he was shot in the kidney He's bleeding. He's not even trained. It's like he was trained by snook and luke He also did something that we've never seen before where he literally grabs a force bolt Like a sorry a blaster bolt in the air. That is like a oh crap moment. And honestly, it was really cool. That was like Okay, they're sitting up this guy to be Wow, this guy isn't too weird at all. Yeah I know and then They don't don't like they don't play on that at all He should be able to just literally pick her up and rip her limb from limb with the force ability Yeah, he should just force choker. He'd just be like, yeah, you did that. Remember he picks her up and throws it But then he just doesn't later He's like why why what you doing kylo? If I was a jedi, I would abuse the shit out of I would be that guy in the server everyone calls a faggot I would be I would be abusing that stuff all the time how you do by the rock fly you break your neck choke you Uh, turn you around spin you throw rocks here. I didn't I don't want to get close to a lightsaber Yeah, I know this thing you'd go as far as be like a force bad thoughts and you're still like your your mother hates you And you're like, oh no, oh man. You're like, haha, I can get the jump on them now Yeah, she's bitching. He's trying to pull the lightsaber to him and somehow she's able to pull it anyway Right it goes past him. I guess it's it's it's more his than it is his I think in a drunken episode nine we'll care to explain how Mazcanata ended up with a lightsaber that fell down a fucking like shoot in Bespin Nope, nope. I the fuck would they explain? Well, it's a story, but for another time and maybe that time is never Oh, yeah, and the obvious thing that uh wildness chatting. I think wilderness chatting someone I think we mentioned this on the part one, but uh Pain and anger is supposed to fuel sith So if you're in pain and you've been wounded that's supposed to make you go Oh, I'm gonna be even better now But no apparently made him worse People in my discord are posting pictures holding Chopsticks a stick a laptop a plate and they're saying these are all sword-like weapons Everyone who uses chopsticks should be out of be just pick up a light saber I mean it's kind of like a stick Story Skill to a new found skill or technique The only reason why ray was able to best kylo rin in the fight at the end of the force awakens was because she Oh, that wasn't anything kylo did It was the force guys Over kylo who's been using the force this entire life Let's say it was like beyond a shadow of a doubt that that was the case. How fucking unsatisfying is that? Oh, okay Yeah, classic dais ex machina where The force is always gonna save the day because the force I mean, well, okay, so what if someone said well, that's what happens in a new hope Luke doesn't beat darth vader in new hope doesn't beat darth vader in their first fight like even if it's all about the death star right technically Even if this all the reasons in the world you don't want to if you're having a trilogy You don't want your hero character to beat the bad guy in the first movie easily Oh, totally. Well, I was gonna say I have my own counter argument But I was gonna let you guys jump in on it So if someone said why is it that this isn't applicable to luke and a thing using the force to to nail the death star Well, I would say a couple of reasons one technically Luke only saves a day because of han showing up and saving him And you could try and say that's dais ex machina, but no that was kind of foreshadowed Yeah, it was kind of foreshadowed with you know, han's whole character arc And it is completed by the fact that he comes in and saves the day and so That's if you try and argue it's a dais ex machina. It's a far more palatable and acceptable one and So that's the first thing set up Exactly it was set up and foreshadowed quite nicely and luke only briefly gets the you know, like You could say he would have made the shot without the force We don't know how much force is actually helping luke out in that situation Yes, he gets the obu one whispering in his eyes and he turns off the thing But he did say he could eyeball those type of targets already in his other ships And so That's not saying the force comes in saves a day And the reason why if you're gonna try and use the force in the ray example Why it is very unsatisfying because you're basically taking the rules away from the force, you know that it's it's Undefined how it works and therefore it is only coming in in service to the plot which is absolutely dais ex machina I was a part of the argument. I was going to make it along with what you've just said is that um So the force user is fighting a force user and force user b Decides to use the force against force user a and defeats him. You're like Why couldn't force user a defend himself? Well, how does that work? The forces decide that it's going to power up ray and not kylo Not the death star was like I will use the force to defend myself. It's like no, I don't think that's how that works So just said ray beat him with the force like doesn't kylo have the force Exactly exactly and I mean you would think the dark side of the force would have as much invested in kylo When if not more the light side of the force exactly and so where's the dark side backing up kylo here, you know People have been saying in chat that they're fueled by pain rage and anger and is pretty darn, you know On edge emotionally here He should be getting a huge power up if you're following through logically and consistently With how even the vague rules that exist within star wars and how the force works if you even follow those vague rules here Kylo should be getting a power up. You should be going for snuts To death star as a force like weapon He just killed his dad shouldn't that like shouldn't that be the dark side be like wow, you just sacrificed your own father Wow, that was fucking metal, dude. That was pretty beat Yeah, so and this is the other thing by the way as far as I was to understand it The dark side gives you access to more power but at risk of like you have less control You're emotionally driven like crazy You'll hear people around you as well as yourself like there's supposed to be a drawback Well, it's interesting like if you actually go into the philosophy underpinning the force in star wars there are some interesting implications because It's never really implied directly that The light side of the force is good and the dark side of the force is evil What they're actually saying is the light side of the force is about balance and the dark side of the force is about emotion attachment and passion and things and That's got interesting implications, especially when obi-wan in The last of the prequels says that only a sith deals in absolutes That's a very loaded and definitive statement there because it's essentially applying I mean Wouldn't you want the jedi to believe in absolute good absolute justice and like though these are absolute standards, right? It's an absolute as well though Exactly He states an absolute by saying that he doesn't deal in absolutes. So to me when I first heard that I was like, okay That was badly written Whoops I honestly think george might have missed that like he was like Absolutes are bad. It's like that sounds pretty absolute Yeah, and the fact that the jedi insists you give up all material attachment I don't think is fully moral in my opinion You want to be attached to certain things in the world like your loved ones All right, you want to protect your loved ones and things like that But the the jedi is saying no no attachment. You have to have no attachment. I'll give up on them And and then it kind of contradicts the fact why the the jedi They're there constantly protecting people when their main goal should be balance And if their main goal is balance They would like there's there are contradictions in the underlining philosophy is what i'm saying Yeah, yeah, sorry for going off on that. No, it's all good. I was going to say I want to bring in uh Just baowen made an argument. Um, you guys are missing the biggest point. Kylo was not trained as a scavenger on jaku He was trained by trained by elite guards and sith lords and yeah, what a scrub I've heard about but never really fully grasped until the end of that film. That's like how did she grasp that? Well, if you remember kylo says I can teach you the ways of the force and then she goes the force and then she channels something and just wins It's really sad. I don't know what the force is, but if you're out there, help me I've heard it. I swear It's so boring. It's like, okay She won because he measured the force and she was like, oh, fuck. Yeah, that's shit. Uh, Go go force. Do your thing Like yeah, you nailed it. This scene goes on for like there's like six seconds of rage is like sitting In the middle of a sword fight breathing slowly Kylo is like, wait, so do you agree? Are you on my team? What's happening? He wasn't what we do it. Um, she's thinking about me In Chad, um For yes, sir. You're as the sword fighting connoisseur here. Um, what are what's the general? Um advice when it comes to, uh, closing your eyes for long periods of time Well, if you have the force then of course it's sort of It's like a charger, right? She's charging. It's absolutely stupid But what we're seeing here the swords crossing and then the opponents staring off at each other Uh, is one of the most bull crap and pervasive things in hollywood in regards to sword fighting Because in real sword fighting what they do there, that's called the bind when the swords clash They're in the bind and when you're in the bind there are so many things you can do to Manipulate your opponent's sword to open up to bring an opening and attack And if the opponent is static and not doing anything you can just destroy them so quickly from this position And so the fact that you know weapons where most of it doesn't even have mass Yeah, like my goodness and and so if if ray just angled her if she took a step to her right And angled her sword on point to kylo She would smack kylo in the head completely Um, and the only way kylo would be able to respond to that is if he moved his sword to The side to counteract it to reposition it to be it on his center line And so whenever you're in the bind it is a constant dynamic moving thing as the opponents try to get the advantage on one another If they're trying to win there is never a static pause when your weapons clash like this in real sword fighting Yeah, like that other person is trying to kill you You will do something about that Oh, absolutely. And and so yeah, the the whole hollywood trope that they're just playing on here It's bull crap, but of course you see it so often in so many hollywood sword fights So I see you have trained since last we met robin hood Mer We're not considering that the shape of the eyes is around so they're not sword-like weapons So they just get in the way of fighting Closing off the non-sword-like weapons will power up your sword-like weapons Your eyes are really more like um morning stars mostly because they cry It makes sense to me Even coming Halfway through baby Pieces of character development and it's still completely dumb fouls me how some people aren't able to grasp the sponsor See that scene of her just so Calmly standing there is like how is he not just pushing your own sword into your face right now? He is so much stronger than you. I've seen him shirtless. He is so much stronger than you It's true. Uh, I like that this the same guy I sort of real quick the same guy who's advocating that it doesn't make sense on purpose is saying he's dumbfounded that people don't understand the logic Like uh, I thought okay All right, tell me about logic Just in that in the sword clashing scene with the paws and the eyes closing and stuff There are thousands of things that either opponent could have done to get the event I mean one of the most simple things kyle could do is just give her a solid boot in the chest and knock her off the cliff like it was Yeah About a million ways that this fight does not go her way and it just does it's like, oh, okay She would force fly back up to the top or some shit Like I said, she would turn him into atoms and waiting for that to be something she does to somebody Completely dumb fouls me how some people aren't able to grasp this concept And if you look at the majority of the final duel between her and kyla ren It's mainly just rey running away and jumping around to avoid kyla ren And this supports the argument that she should beat him. Okay Yeah, uh while you're playing clips of her blocking his blows and turning around and okay, sure. Yeah, uh, that wasn't wasn't really the Before this the force would just increase your reaction time, you know, make you better at things you already knew how to do It didn't impart Wisdom a knowledge on you that you didn't know didn't say oh now you know how to That's not the matrix. It's fucking binary with rey. It goes from not learned at all to fully learn. You're like, oh I'm a master of all things question my ability She's going by the tree. Ah, this is cypress. Oh If she ever met vader and they compare their abilities and she's just better than him and he's like, wow How long did you train and she looks at him like, huh? And he's like, yeah I you know, I entered a school late at like, you know, nine years old and I was in this till I was like 21 And and I trained under the emperor. It was like one of the most powerful people ever And I became pretty powerful. But but you know, what about you like, you know, how long have you been training? She's just like sweating I absorbed your ability when you fathered me Oh, right. Yeah, who this is gonna be such This is the thing like She inherited luke's ability when he grew when she grew out of his hand. That's all I'm gonna do Um, I was thinking about like how, you know, some people are upset that I won't be able to get my tfa series done before episode nine comes out and it's like, yeah, but You realize that whatever happens in episode nine will drastically be able to to improve my scripts because I'll I'll have answers Because imagine I think that JJ is gonna answer a couple things He's obviously gonna create more questions than provide answers, but we will get answers to some stuff For example, rey's parents that's been answered like seven times already. We're finally gonna get an answer on that probably I swear to fucking christ if someone says your parents don't matter to her in that movie Tell me very end of the fight when all hope seems lost for wow, look at her running away Not totally blocking every single blow that he makes towards her Did you already just say it's like she's constantly running away and when she's at a wits end she wins You're like oh, wait, what? It's like the opposite of what was supposed to happen, but okay It's not like kylo ren being surprised by rey besting him was also supposed to surprise us the audience as well because It kind of surprised me because I wasn't expecting that It surprised him because he wasn't expecting it. Thank you for explaining what a surprise is That makes it good Do you know why he wasn't expecting it Because it's dumb because it wouldn't make sense. Yes, because it's dumb If only kylo knew that he was in a space movie, he might have been more prepared I lived my whole life in a world where things don't make sense Now we aren't sure about how rey is so strong in the force just yet But keep in mind that there's still one chapter left into so your other argument is that they might explain it at some point Okay I'm sure they'll fill us in on all the well, this is supposed to be an argument for why it all makes sense And she's a great character and your argument literally is Let's wait for the next episode. I don't know I'm sure this guy's a nice guy. Okay. No hating on him His argument here is that rey is not a mary's sue because it's going to be explained in the next movie I know I'm you know Dude people said that about tlj They're like tlj will explain him very soon as it is like it didn't and they were like, okay, fuck uh, the next one will Episode nine what I meant to say was episode nine. Hi. I just I'd see and then when that doesn't they'll be like, uh, I bet episode 10 Episode 746. Yes the books will explain it all Downloaded the force from the pirate bay What I'm sorry, but with a force on a really suggestive frame here like what is luke doing behind rey and rey has a certain expression on her face I'll tell you what he's doing. He's like hey rey do whatever the fuck you want and then he's disappointed that she was confused I hate this scene. It's so dumb like the force is everything check it out And she's like oh neat and then he's like whoa. Why are you checking it all out? What the hell I did not tell you to do that. You're an evil He unironically like condemns her when she's up absolutely confused She said they're like, I don't know what the fuck just happened. I like I got splashed with water. There was some dark stuff Am I evil now? He's like, yes. He's like, oh fuck. Well, it's like, oh, that was that it didn't expect that with how The system would be but yeah, yeah, that's how it works. Dems the brakes The dark side is it's it's oddly stick like I can't explain it Feels familiar Equal trilogy it's obvious that she isn't supposed to be in the story But why do I feel a stick like object? Sorry what it's obvious she wasn't supposed to be in the story. How was that? I want to hear what he just said audience as well because It kind of surprised me because I wasn't expecting that Now we aren't sure about how rey is so strong in the force just yet But keep in mind that there's still one chapter left in this sequel trilogy It's obvious that she isn't supposed to be in the story But brings up a great theme that anyone can impact It's obvious that she's not supposed to be in the story What does that mean? I don't want to translate that for me Okay, I think what he means is not supposed to be this powerful in the story There's like that. It's a surprise. It's a surprise. It's so powerful in the story and that there's to be an explanation. Okay. Don't worry. He's supposed to be arguing against She's not maybe Maybe what he's trying to say is that she Came from nowhere and got involved in all of these major players in this galactic story that was playing out the resistance and the first order and the skywalkers and leia and Han Solo and all this stuff happening between these two factions and she had nothing to do with it But then she got swept up in it That's That makes more sense his things worded with Greatism But if anything that just makes us wonder why she's sticking around what if she's not involved with this in any way Not supposed to be then why is she even here? Why does she care? What's the point? What's going on here? What a strange thing to say I do not understand the galaxy whether you have famous blood or not and even snoke says Oh, it was that's dumb. That doesn't matter. We're what's pose famous blood. What's finn's famous blood I was gonna say do you think anyone would have a problem with you know John schmushen And he trained for 60 years and he has a good handle on the force like a really great handle on the force Do you think any of us would have a problem with that? We'll be going. He's supposed to be a skywalker He's not he's not a kanobi Frog it's like no, we just wanted to be earned beyond say she's not even got the right blood She's got nothing. She's got no trading or blood Wasn't he arguing to be retconned I reckon. Yeah, like Kyle was lying Yeah, wasn't he arguing in the beginning of the video that she did have you know, she's like, oh lukin heritage To pilot the piloting blood from his father I assume he was arguing that ray was inheading this piloting blood from someone else too I'm just gonna draw it back Act and save the galaxy Whether you have famous blood or not and even snokes says in the last jedi directly to ray That darkness rises and light rises to meet it. Yeah, which is really fucking stupid The idea being that they always have to reach a constant ballads Like i'm sorry. So when all the jedi were in power during the prequels Are you telling me that palpatine was supposed to be the direct like Opposition to them and then when anakin was half and half How does the force figure that out? Does that look like a little abacus? It's like All right, alex anakin you have reached balance. Uh, you're ascending into nirvana or whatever your jedi master now Good job. You gots balance really early, but uh, good job. The murder probably helped accelerate that But um, yeah, yeah, good job That is not george lucas's intention with balance what the disney are doing disney are like good and bad guys equals balance It's like george is like no, no, no, no. Yeah, literally just jedi is balance sith cause imbalance Wouldn't that wouldn't that make mean that the jedi are like highlander like if they went around killing each other They'd absorb the power because there's less people. Yeah literally that A lot of fucking good it did by the way with all of the jedi being nuked obi one could still did do Shit to veda. I mean in the new hope. I guess he fucked him up in revenge of the sith. So There's such tizmy rules, man See the prompt so you know that makes sense though because luke had luke stole the balance away from obi one So that's why that's why luke was right to just have his trilogy where the force was i was gonna say and it was Oh impactful, but yoda died too, which gave all of that Abacus power to luke as well. That's why he bit defeated veda Makes total sense and then figured out the mystery luke wipes out them both It's just luke left and then snow congeals in a cave. He's super powerful just like luke He creates kylo who's 50 50 false the dark side ray is born Makes total sense and now and now that luke's gone ray is gonna be even more powerful. Oh, no Enough i think we don't need more she's like jet lee in one That's an underrated movie I've seen that as could you That darkness rises and light rises to meet it I mean the force always has to have a balance if you're looking for a better explanation on that Then check out the mortis trilogy of episodes in the court. Oh, this is slightly off tangent someone linked in my general challenge discord Eric taxon who is i guess who's patricia taxon i guess now Sorry is is what so i guess is eric taxon trans Now we're supposed to know who this person is. Oh, well, eric is someone who's covered us previously and we've covered him back Yeah, here. Let me someone linked this so i don't i don't know what's up because His name is patricia now and they got a trans flag there um, but He said i just found a rags video where he says the n word the hard r and everything Wish i'd chance to cross this one before i finish my script proof the rags as a racialist Yeah, i did it in my whole video That was called rags as racist Where i constantly talk about there's no evidence for me being racist or doing anything racist and i say the n word Yeah, i say it plenty in that. Yeah, absolutely because i'm talking about the word Yeah, duh And i'm not hiding it. Well, you know how it works right in in his world You're done once you've said that way no matter the context. You're done. You're just done. I didn't know that This was like something he was unaware of I thought that was like obvious about me. So yeah patricia. He's got hundreds of thousands of views patricia taxon is that a what's the youtube channel look like Eric Is that eric taxon? Oh, wow. Yeah, I guess he's renamed it to patricia taxon Oh, oh, he's he's linking a different video. Yeah, because I say it more than one video. Yeah I thought he's talking about the that i'm sexist when i pd pie's heart is a fucking sewage pump Is the video where I say it? Yeah I guess he switched his name to patricia taxon then. All right Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I i'm guilty is charged. Yeah Well, this is the problem. I call someone that is a racial slur We it was the thing we we don't hold to the same values as Miss taxon, I guess would be the correct pronouns now. I have no idea if this is even what they're going gunning for or not, but um so Me and rags. I'm not going to speak for anyone else here, but me and rags are very much Intent on judging someone's use of language based on their intention and the context. It's never about the word on its own um The easy counter to this would be so what if you're quoting someone who said it and what if it's in a What's what's the book rags? That's now evil because it's in the book that's the adventures of huckleberry fin Yeah, that's an evil book now. Um lord of the rings has um a certain word associated with a bundle of sticks, uh and also the hobbit as well Oh, does it I didn't know that? Yeah I gotta reread those books But yeah, so you can actually grab the hobbit and open it and read you the uh the the section because I know exactly where it is I just want to highlight by the way from that tweet. So as rags read it out, um patricia taxon said I just found a rags video where he says the n word with the hard R and everything wish I'd chance to cross this before I finish my script. So so two issues one That's all it takes to be labeled the bad man from their side. It doesn't matter how you said it while you said it Two, you can't be bothered to fucking edit his script. He's like, uh, it's done. Fuck it Yeah, it's like if I found information that would be oh, it's a destructive death blow to my enemies Now I'd be like, yeah, I should probably put that in my script. No, fuck it I already wrote it down guys. What am I supposed to do? He said the naughty word the silk. He said the I can't I can't believe we're getting another video from Eric on you Yeah, it's only like an important social justice thing that I take very seriously But I can't be bothered to sit down and fucking rewrite some shit You know, racism is so important, but uh fucking hands are tired So this is the thing though that everyone should go Everyone should go read hobbit page 47 The hobbit page 47 everybody wait wait, what will it taint them? Will will they become evil having read it? This is the thing man like The only way to judge this perfectly is to actually get to know someone and their core values and how they actually explore this Shit and we're back. He can wonderfully rename rename Remain nameless, but Fringy was in the conversation for this We spoke to somebody who publicly referred to me as a homophobe and I went over the use of certain words And once you define how and why you use them and for what reasons they're stuck They're literally in a corner because they're like, okay, but but they have no idea Like they don't I don't think they expect you to have a system Basically, like the reason me and rags use certain words where we use them We take everything very seriously We may we're very fun right like we want to create a fun environment, but everything we say has a lot of purpose behind it Yeah Hey, I'm getting heaps of requests for me to read this section Go for it if you want to The context the dwarves have just arrived at Rivendell and the elves meet them and they start singing a song And there are four verses in the song and I'll just only read the second verse and it says Oh, what are you seeking and where are you making the faggots are reeking the bannocks are baking Trillily lolly the valley is jolly. Ha ha And clip clip that exposed Cancer shadow versity hashtag The thing is with these people it is literally to them the vibrations of the sound waves in the air that you Created that is the sin Your your your usage of it the context of it It doesn't matter if you make the vibrations in the air if it comes out of your mouth Regardless of context you have sinned. I had to explain to joseph anson on twitter Like you read the hobbit Now you're uh, you're worth, uh, you know the crucifixion like yeah Yeah, speaking of that word specifically I had to explain to joseph anson on twitter because he he believed I was using it like derogatorily towards homosexuals and I was like no, no, no It's an absurd statement. I am calling because I called him a massive faggot. So it's a large gay So I was trying to tell him I was like calling you a large gay makes no sense at all That's why it's funny And he was like no, I don't see how that's a joke And I was like so if I called you a lamp like do you get how that's absurd And he was like how is calling someone a lamp the same as large gay? I was like, okay Same as large This is what I mean. It was a fucking meme factory. He was he was fucking joke policing me It's so funny how absurd they are Well, they want you to be evil They can write you off the second you're evil. They can write you off Oh my god That is hilarious It's all just he could talk to me. The thing is he could talk to me at any time he wants I am an open book Does it just for context does everyone know what the word is referring to you in the hobbit a bundle of sticks Is it referring to a bundle of sticks? That's what the original word meant before it was reposted I said that to Jo's fans on the possibility. He was like no one uses it to mean that. I was like, okay You know talking one of the greatest writers of our time did you know, just just the small guy Was was he fluent in stickcraft? I don't think so He was like and he was what a professor of language Like what a faggot What a massive All right, anyway, it's weird if you will You will never find me In a serious context calling someone a racial slur to actually insult them No, I wouldn't expect so it's it's just the most weird because but to them context doesn't mean anything Right, the reason why you say it Well, you give you give power to the words the words of press people and then it gets really confusing Because like I said Fringy was in the call with me and he used a certain word that you're not allowed to use And then the guy was like shocked and the freak was like I'm black and he was like Oh, and it was funny to watch him squib because you can't the gears You're like This the thing the rules are all confusing. It's like a black person's allowed to use it. You're like, wait, what? Why how? Like how does that make sense like well, they were they they cut Because if you think everyone should be allowed to use the same word you're racist I've just read in the um a super chat that Groot in Guardians of galaxy is by definition He's a massive bundle of sticks I am We are That's fucking cracking the universal code right there We're such evil Terrible people. Yeah, stop stop laughing 3 000 viewers. You racists. What's wrong with you? Stop having fun. It's funny that it's also funny that knowing your show's co-hosts that you're a homophobe mauler It's really kind of weird It's a shame that the news finally had to be broken to me in this way Yeah, so well, I mean, you know Jay is also very commonly here you and wolf you all you're all interested in in the man side of life as well as the You know, Jay is I believe by Um, and I put up with all of you I put up with all of you just for the views. I don't like any of you The person who does all of the art for my channel She's brown. I'm my goodness shitty racist He's shitty, right? I'm the underworld shittiest racist Like fuck. I was supposed to hate you. Damn it. Let me make a note. Hang on Brown and a woman Oh, hey, we've got one of them in the stream today. How dare you? Yeah Yeah, I hate I hate people like that. You know hall monitors Pretty much. Yeah, it's fucking patronizing pieces of shit I The word just can't just it's gonna deplete your melanin if you hear that word Well, we're all at a table having a laugh people out there who say the word We go but destroy you we go back and forth having lost this some guy at the corner like hey, hey racist Okay, Billy you're doing great. You're doing great. He's like, yeah I'm gonna tell someone about this Oh, apparently there's a longer thing. Um On second thought. I don't know if I need to mention in my videos Oracle methods Whereas this is just him being a shit I guess I don't even know if I have rhetorical methods. I I actually couldn't I don't even know. I just talk like a talk. I don't there's not a system to it Actually say the n-word. What's a rhetorical method? I don't know. I can't wait to find out. Um, he says granted. He's not using it to refer to anyone But he is using it as part of his sincere defense of someone else saying it to refer to someone And then an hour later he tweets god, he's saying it constantly how do everyone miss this dude He unironically is playing He's unironically playing trace the racism. He's like how far does it go? He's following a big live like Um, it's funny that he came back an hour to the same thread Somebody stop him Can you believe that no one's been killed yet? Well, this is the thing when you live inside a fucking bubble on the internet You have no idea that there are whole cultures that have no fucking issues with certain words Like it you know shad you can back me up on this but australia using the word cunt is not exactly that harsh at all No, there's a heaps of people. I mean, I'm a very clean-spoken individual myself. I'm a good boy, but I like I know it's shocking right, but uh, that word is You know That word's used uh quite frequently by people who use colorful language and uh, and yeah It's more accepted in australia than i know Yeah, what i'm saying is like there are some cultures that will be like that's the worst thing you could say it's like oh Is it And then there are you know in australia the worst thing you could probably say is gonna be different Yeah, but no one seems to give a shit the the analogy I gave to the guy I was talking to at that conversation. I think i mentioned this on e-fap before I was like what if the culture emerged from the amazon that was previously undiscovered and they said toilet was the most offensive Where you could ever say ever would you stop using it and he was like no, that's ridiculous. I was like Interesting how that works. He was like yeah, but that's like a tiny group of people I was like, okay, so what if it was a huge like millions of tribe they lived underground They hadn't been found they came from space They said toilet was offensive send in all the cops to stop This is the thing it was established then that he was like, okay Yes, and I was like so it's literally down to the unit measurement of amount of people before a word is not allowed to Be used it's not about what it means or how it was used It's literally the amount of people that find it offensive How fucking arbitrary is that? I actually clicked on the link to the video this old video from 2017 the the PewDiePie's hearts are fucking sewage pump where the Guys from the podcast make fun of PewDiePie when he said the inward What's interesting? I looked at the comments Which interesting is the second comment And this is so this is so topical. It's a coincidence, but it's this Oh, yeah, well ego raptor has actually kind of flushed his history down the toilet now Sorry using the toilet. I didn't mean to offend So he's he's he's basically gone To the point of being like i'm sorry for everything I did in my No online personality up to now. It's just like ego raptor. You're one of the funniest fucking people back in the day and And the in the sixth comment is a black person says he didn't care if people say the n word It just doesn't matter. Yeah, well, he can't speak for all black people some some other white dude can though People can only speak for black people if they have the right opinions on what black people should be thinking exactly. That sounds fair That makes sense Just strange. So anyway, star wars A sword like weapon For certain people reddit is hilarious Uh, yeah, i'm gonna hit play now Gonna be wonderful. All right nigger Oh Did you just use a sword like weapon upon me? Oh my god We couldn't possibly go 24 hours without it happening. We should have prepared for this everybody hit the button the escape button Better explanation on that then check out the mortis trilogy of episodes in the clone wars as they described it really well There too, and can you just describe it for us? No? Okay, could you give us the reader's digest version? No Oh, do your whole work if you want the explanation jesus. No Do you think this is what i'm saying is totally right? Wars as they describe it really well there too and keep this in mind Ray is still a beginner with the force. Do not tell me ray is a beginner with the force Do not tell me that Ray is a beginner. Now here's a clip of her moving dozens and hundreds of rocks Boulders they're fucking big Monday mat would be impressed like it's literally just dragging them all out Oh, look a mountain below. We haven't seen her do anything crazy with it yet other than lifting rocks What you can't just say that's lifting Just just yeah, it's not like we have a comparison for that Oh, right luke halfway through his training with yoda. He lifts like one. Was it two? Like I think it was one. This is like oh, she could just lift all of these are any And then after luke after like yeah after luke is struggling yoda shows him I'll show you what the force can do and he lifts an x-wing This is her like lifting multiple x-wings and it was established that lifting an x-wing was something really impressive that a master could just achieve like even in the prequels when Count dooku tries to knock over the pillar to crush anakin after he was defeated yoda catches the pillar with his force powers And he is really struggling to hold on to it. I was gonna say do you remember even in empire yoda like sighs Like oh, what do you put style the x-wig? What does ray do? She's like, oh, this is kind of annoying Waving her fingers and she is lifting multiple x-wings And she's even luke was able to do that with minimal training It's a false equivalence Because they're rocks and because they're rocks we talked about this Ray lifted rocks we talked about this on a previous e-fab But how much better would this scene be if she knew her friends were in there and that if she doesn't pull those rocks out They're all gonna die and so she struggles like hell to lift these rocks bleeding from her nose Screaming in pain trying to move them How much more effective that would be amazing that would have been such a good scene Yeah, and even if she had to do it one at a time with great difficulty like and imagine imagine She pulls out enough to make a make room as Blastifier starts coming in and people start getting killed and she only gets several of them out And get them all why are you trying to add emotional weight to a scene in the movie? I'm so sorry. I don't understand what you're talking about It's uh, man, there's so many easy tweaks you could make even to just pull heartstrings, you know, I mean It's like this was designed to be the flattest most boring movie of all time Oh, apparently this stream has now been reported for hate speech. So I was just like that. Okay. Well, whatever Literally, so yeah, someone responded. How could you report that when it's a woman who said it? That's sexist Oh, well, well, it'll probably be demonetized. I hope it doesn't get boot off youtube, but this is the stupid of youtube, so It's very possible This is the thing I wouldn't I don't I don't want to restrict anybody who comes on here in any way And it's not anyone's fault if anything happens. It's just dumb rules. I've actually said for a while. I'm surprised eFap is still functioning because it's just completely free language here, which is not uh, not something that's typically enjoyed On the internet right now I disavow I disavow It's evil Hey, the biggest complaint that I usually see about rey is that she has no training and is able to do this Now I've watched the original trilogy again before filming this video And guess what luke learns from obi-wan and yoga? Nothing right away What are you doing right away? He doesn't learn anything from obi-wan. What about the fucking first time they're in the millennium falcon? He's learning from obi-wan Well, what about that? Why is he wait? Is he actually referencing by the end when he's about to leave that? He's not lived anything from okay. I'm rewinding. This is the hit my brain already training. So hey About rey is that she has no training and is able to do this Now I've watched the original trilogy again before filming this video And guess what luke learns from obi-wan and yoga? Nothing right away what I mean by this is what luke fail and he learns from experience Wow, he's actually saying that just before he gets to veda. He's learned nothing from obi-wan and yoda at that point What wow, I've not heard anybody take this position That is insane He must have watched a different he must have watched like the ewok Animated I was about to say my first response to this is did you watch the movie? It's like well this argument began with him saying he watched the movies so Is he saying that or is he trying to compare luke targeting the death star and moving a little bit of footage a couple inches he's comparing that to rey moving all the rocks He's showing empire. I'm pretty sure he's talking about empire. How would luke have learned anything from yoda? Anyway, when you had you met him at that point Not only is he moving rocks? But when he goes to confront veda veda even remarks on how much he has learned and how well he's been trained Like he falls in the carbonite chamber and he literally force jumps out of it and starts, you know climbing up things with the force Yeah, he's impressive Most impressive most impressive one has taught you well Veda even says obi-wan taught him stuff Do I what would kylo say some who taught you? Yeah, well, I was gonna say so you find out these secrets with luke. He's like impressive. What is with rey's just like what? Like you put on a cheat code like this isn't wait, this is just silly You can't do this The mistakes that he makes and is able to build up experience and training great Doesn't make mistakes though. What they're to learn from him. Hey, man He went over all the mistakes earlier just because we disagreed and destroyed each of them does not mean they're not mistakes Oh, okay. Remember. She's too nice Yes, even if we assumed that those things he mentioned really were mistakes The mistake was she hit a button and the other mistake was she hit a button Don't forget where she thought kylo was savable that pesky rey thinking she can rescue family members. What a horrible person The whole you better you'll learn from that You'll learn better next time Next time someone needs your help Fuck them Kill them all they're slipping. I have a feeling they're gonna fucking flip that shit Like kylo will turn out to be a good guy by the end of episode nine or some shit. You'd be like, oh my god. Luke was wrong Remember when you killed your father Luke's like no no no that was the other I mean yes. Yes That was me Obi-Wan Kenobi or Yoda right away But he realizes that in the end they were absolutely right, especially in empire. There are some truth in legends I do believe that and there are some truth in legends I mean legends are often based off of something that has a foundation in reality if that's what he means No, I just mean like wouldn't you say there is some truth in legends? I'd do that all the time I was genuinely asking because nobody else seems to have a problem with this. So maybe I'm wrong But I don't know what he's saying it's gonna be anything But Why is he saying that like what is that to in support of? Because if oh, I'm guessing it has nothing to do with the video, but it sounds quasi pseudo wise So if he's like it that in yeah, he's like a young brown table. He's still not figured out how to be To do until actual yet. He's on the way young brown table He's he's leading or this There's truth in legends and rey has heard the legends thus. She has heard the truth of the force People are saying there's too much content from this long ass stream of people to be able to tell what we've said throughout it Anyway, like they're not gonna fucking go through it Who from youtube is gonna watch it like a 16 Asshole can tell us to go and watch a trilogy of shit and they can sit through an efab. Okay. It's only fair Hey long film bad He doesn't listen to obi-wan kanobi or yoda right away But here's by the way This is a this is almost a tangent now because the original point was how is she so good at what she does and he's like Hey, luke isn't very good at what he does and then he doesn't really listen to what they say It's like okay, but we're talking about their abilities. He clearly has honed his use of the force Like that's a thing that happened We saw scenes of it Not to mention just general fitness and then learning the philosophy of how the force works Why empire was such a great little template for how training works Trying to cover all their bases and then they just translate that into i'm going to teach you three lessons Teaches her one and then runs away and the one lesson was the forces like everywhere A good good job. She's already using it. So I don't think she needed proof for that but Congratulations, like and then you have interviews where people are asking him like what the lessons were not even don't even mark Abel is like I don't know. I think it was one He says he says you're shooting my train ray Ray train yourself. God damn it In the end they were absolutely right, especially in empire. There are some truth in legends I do believe that and there are interesting things and stories and we see characters do You started it. I assume you believe it. There are some interesting things in stories. All right Yeah, I agree Who disagrees who disagrees come on take an old take an old bed That reminds me of uh brown tables video where he said I like some art. I dislike other art Whoa Taking the hard positions there Calm down brown table. Jesus. What a rattle said the n-word That's that that would that is his n-word art is okay sometimes There are some truth in legends I do believe that and there are interesting things and stories and we see characters do really You know larger than life beats and the fact that ray was able to do a mind trick so well on her first try She didn't even know if that was gonna work I That's the justification help your argument. That's not your argument I don't know man. I just I operated a nuclear reactor. I didn't know that I could but I could That's even worse Also, how awkward is it if you're the storm trooper assigned to guard the prisoner and you stand there Not to mention like she she fails She fails the mind control at first, right? He's like hey keep doing that Tighten these restraints. Oh, that's suddenly it just works. It's like, oh All right, then Ignore what I said previously I mean ray hadn't used the force up until that point and she just did it because she was in a dire situation That's not an excuse. I don't when I'm trapped in a fucking room. I don't immediately go mind control Well You have superpowered Exactly now that I've seen trinobyl. I can walk into a nuclear facility that's melting down and just save everybody Oh, wow I'll let this I've just been made aware of this. Uh, so rags. This is a comment from I'll just say it's somebody Uh, hello under the thin veil of edgy humor none of which I have found funny rags is boring without the doge avatar He would be nothing and that graphic is a derivation of someone else's meme. What a pathetic waste of oxygen Without the doge I hope that's in his video so much. Please. That's not that's not from eric taxon. I'm not gonna say who he's from but fucking hell Oh my god. Do it. Do it. Can I really not know? It's someone who watches this show. So like I don't want to I don't want to be you got me I don't stitch not you I don't people the dog pilot your shit without your little suit in your big-ass mouth. Oh my god, but holy fuck man What is it what is it when people like I don't know if you guys have heard of this but like me and rags have been referred to as Sola shells of men or that are a blight on humanity. We've been referred to as that because of this fucking stream What the hell Remember when you criticize the movie I liked you sold this blight on humanity You're the worst that humanity has to offer raise a mary sue. I think you should go to jail All right, the chew is between without the doge. You're not moller. I would choose a hundred Jeffrey Epstein's Jesus Christ. So if anything that that's just says that I'm clever to prop myself up using alternative methods I don't know that nice job rags. Apparently you gave the system I did look like if anything I'm currently proving that I have invented a system that other people will draw my shit for free What an idiot I am Well, you're a waste of oxygen sir. No one no one is here to Fucking listen to this this profile picture stealing oxygen wasting Waste of oxygen oxygen waster there I've spent on pictures of my stupid fucking dog face It's because you're stupid Freeloader good lord. It fuels us further to listen to these criticisms. It's like wow All we had to do was talk about star wars and we did it if anything, I am I am supporting um The minority community and women by hiring my artists to draw all these images and paying them and Helping to finance their lives stimulating the economy. Right racist. That sounds like slavery You pay some kind of slave master Glimpse of you're a chest breather That'll breathe. I just drink now. That's all I do fucking oxygen drink it I thought maybe This method I believe in might be able to help me out Maybe this method I believe in will help me out the method of mind control. Why the fuck Guys, I'd ironically try that if you ever get kidnapped by somebody just look at them and go you will release me I don't know man. I watched star wars. She seemed to get it to work No, we're not until the bus says so what are you talking about? And sure enough it did and further solidified her belief in the force Which had already been kind of solidified by haunt. So yeah, so all you needed was for him to show the audience She was aware of mind control. That's all you needed Oh Just anything this just This highlights how recently she comes to be made aware that the force is even real Yeah, you have to get haunt to say yeah, by the way, it's a thing. She's like, well, what? What Sam even exists. She's like, well, mind control is real and he's like, no, I didn't say anything about Mike What would you would you get that from? I mean, it's not only that it's even if she learns about the force They're what indication did she have that she was force sensitive I had the ability to use that before Kylo Ren tries to do the mind meld thing with her and then she tries to push back Was there any indication at all she could use force in any measure before then? Oh, this guy said no, I'm trying to remember if there actually was any I don't think there is Yeah, I don't think so other than the force vision she has if you count that Oh, yeah, when she picks up the lightsaber I want to point out that we're nearly nine minutes into this and we still haven't gotten one fucking inkling To why she's a great character I think he thought defending her as not a Mary Sue would just Fill in for that aspect too. She's like if you're not a Mary Sue, you're great. It makes sense Out and sure enough it did and further solidified her belief in the force Which had already been kind of solidified by Han Solo earlier when he told both Ben and Ray that It's true all of it But ultimately though Wait, it's it's true. It's true that the the rebels used an army of midget bears to kill the emperor. He's like Well, yes Yeah, kind of they sort of help if you want to reduce it to its most base form kind of There's just like these weird rumors like it's true that luke was a sex pivot. He's like, whoa, whoa I heard he used to fuck the bears There's piles of them I heard the alderaan was an inside job. What about that? He's like, I I wouldn't I wouldn't know anything about that. I heard their princess was in on the whole thing. That's why she's the Thing is fucked up that she calls herself the princess of a dead planet, Han He's like, I wasn't ready for this. I don't The thing is some of those conspiracy theories Are aren't too far fetched when compared to some of the true stories like if he says is it true that Leia and luke had a thing even though the brothers and sisters is like, oh, well actually that one is is true It's like you didn't know it at the time so I mean you can't blame them for it But just yeah, so it would be interesting the type of rumors that would logically exist in this world Based on all the things that happened before and so Yeah, it would have been funny if array actually met like throughout some weird ones It's funny how he he darts between Arguing there's no logic to it arguing his own logic to make it work And then arguing that it may not make sense, but it happened before like the three They're like almost conflicting those arguments anyway Like the base levels like either it doesn't like if you're gonna argue nothing needs to make sense Then why even bother with any other arguments space movie Oh, imagine that video. It's like why everything makes sense in star wars begins like hello My name is bulwa and here's my video to explain why everything makes sense in star wars. It's a space movie Please subscribe to my patreon. You like Who cares about these complaints? Who cares if she can fly a ship on her first try? Who cares if she's so good with the lightsaber? Who cares about luke? Who cares about Who cares about rags? Who cares about my beloved character? Was this video for me? Just admit it rags you're racist sexist and you don't like any characters that aren't women I mean man, which one is the correct one? I forget which one makes him the bad guy I I let me think about what I've been told. I've been I hate women and the blacks And the gays The Caucasians those guys are fucked up No, they're they're all right. They're all right. Oh, okay And the Peruvians they're they're cool, too But the other brown ones no no good. No good. Yeah white white people are basically the 9 11 of people They're like 9 12 Did he get hit by planes E-fap after dark this is the edgy times You hear you hear his son piker said that america deserved 9 11. What? Yeah, dude. Oh, yeah, I bet stitch knows. Yeah Yeah It's like a live stream. He's just said he's just basically fuck it. I'm saying it america deserved 9 11 Was it a joke? What was the context for that? I don't think so wasn't it it was the same. Well, no because he originally said The what what's the name of the uh representative that is missing an eye Again Crawford Yeah, he said that he said that the person Great halloween member that blew up his eye was a hero And then he got in the trouble for all that and then in his stream to clarify that statement He said america deserved 9 11. How the fuck does he shouldn't like I don't fix everything This is on twitch, right? I would have thought twitch would boot in for someone like that Well, but he's a a brown person Oh, he's a brown socialist. He could save it. He's a pussy fart. That's what he is Brown fobio Who cares about these complaints who cares when she said older on deserve to be this It's true all of it alderaan deserved to be destroyed. He's like whoa Said that what the fuck I don't know how maybe you shouldn't say all of it is true Yeah, sorry, so ironically he's actually saying who cares about these complaints. Why make a video if okay I'll let him say it first All of it, but ultimately though hear me out Who cares about these complaints who cares if she can fire ship on her first try I don't understand. Why are you making this video if no one cares? Obviously a lot of people care obviously I mean particularly people who appreciate logical plot progression like No, fuck those guys Who cares about emotionality they ruin movies with with them in charge We won't get such amazing classics like the last jedi and season eight It came with ruins And fasten furious part seven Hobbes and shaw spin-off movies give them I want to watch that that looks every time I see that trailer I just have a disbelief that that's where the fast furious franchise went Well, if you can't beat them join them Hey, it could be a great film It's not I Who knows how physics work in their universe come on Maybe the people who made the trailer just no explosion cell. Maybe there's a lot of heart in it So good Who cares about ray these are space movies for kids about magical space wizards This is like fucking hate that argument video essay bingo Oh Fuck you stop insulting children like leave them alone. They deserve good content as well Christ, I swear to god When I was like eight years old If you just had luke swapped out with fucking jake skywalk I would have been pissed at that point too I'd be like, what the hell is this they go? You're a child. You don't appreciate good things. I'm like, oh Shut up child. Shut up little stupid kid. The larger fan base of star wars is grown up now. I like To say that is only made for kids is just ridiculous Right, but it explains why the toy sales are doing so good. It backfires so hard They're trying to say it's supposed to be stupid and you're like, what the hell are you trying to say? That's what we're arguing. It is stupid Exactly To die on yeah, that's yeah, that's the point. It's like why why are you arguing this? Stop caring about it. Is your movie shit or not? I don't I don't get it Is it a subversive masterpiece of meta narratives or is it a stupid? Silly cartoon movie made for children. That's the thing when you combine them all up That's what it gets funny So you have patrick will be saying stop caring about it's for kids Then the person he advocates for movie bobs saying it's a complex meta narrative describing the current landscape And it's like wait, but it's just for kids, right? The movie bobs like, um Yeah But there's there's adult themes I guess and then the next guy's like nobody cares about any of that. Anyway, it's just a space movie It's like no we care about it So you could just see them all get into a huge argument about just how in what way we are wrong They'd be trying to identify how we're wrong in loads of different ways I can imagine a movie bob meme where he's just chuckling Also and the caption says like laughs in cholesterol Laughs and ranch dressing Laughs and eugenics Most people don't even know about that Shad for reference movie bob says that the nazi's ruined eugenics He said he said he laments the fact that the nazis gave eugenics a bad reputation He's he's quite the character we've got a lot of characters on this show There are layers to that comment Wow Jenna Jenna has pointed out, um, whoa, this is a dumb movie for children. Also. This is my inspiration for writing Oh, that's right It was our it was our inspiration for a fucking response podcast. So there you go. Yeah fair He was a dumb children when he was inspired. He was a dumb children What a fucking was a dumb children Ships around they blow crap up and swing little laser swords around all out lifting rocks with their hands now So why the fuck did you argue all out of this shit then? What was the point of all of that this movie is so stupid. I'm gonna make an 11 minute video defending And they felt like laser swords floating rocks that does not inherently make a movie Un Serious or you know for kids and stuff like that. There are a lot of serious movies that can have those elements in They they're not exclusive things like It's a I hate this remember that dune story. It's got giant worms. It's got to be for little kids clearly And you know, you know that game of thrones thing that's based in a fantasy world with dragons dragons Children made for kids like only kids would enjoy these children would appreciate the incest Let me wait Whatever what's that this the edipus complex or something like that? There's some kind of theme we could draw I just want to kill my dad and fuck my mom Look, whenever it doesn't matter what the rating for the thing is if it's badly written it was for kids Or if it has fantastical elements, it's for kids because you know dragons, they're not real Therefore only kids can enjoy things with dragons in them So how do you compare this to what brie larson said about a wrinkle in time? Because that just makes it seem really condescending jl. Have you seen a wrinkle in time? Uh, no, do you know that that movie is meant for you? Do you know that? How fucking offensive is that? My fucking melanin starts tingling every time I think about that All is oh, yo, can you don't watch it we'll invite you for an e-fat movies and we'll totally record that film is fucking bizarre It's hilarious Oh, that that'll be the highlight of my year I just love that brie larson advocate that movie is meant for you I'm gonna fucking say that like seven times when we're watching that movie is meant for you What does that say? Oh It's classic This is the thing like around the time I made my black panther review. I was 25 and um The the patrick williams video. He says I don't want to know Uh a 25 year old white dude's opinion on black panther And I was because he wants to know black people's opinions of black panther ever being like He told him about me Because I made the video shit on it like oh shit Why does every guy have like a 25 a huge white guy? I guess it's who could be me Well, he also um, if you remember he said that like why would I watch five hours of a guy angrily ranting about tlj? And I was like, oh, that's me Yay, he doesn't dare speak my name, but that's what I got about me Um, oh man. Good memories. I can't wait to bask in my coonery. What? Oh You're offending yourself stop it Obviously I just heard like 12 people drop dead I just got lashed by my ancestors Oh Much more than this but George Lucas has said numerous times that Despite really heavy themes and characters and strong stuff in star wars These movies are ultimately meant for children. What does that mean to you that it's supposed to be stupid? What is it? Why do you love it? So what does that mean? Despite characters and strong stuff. It's meant for children Is he trying to imply the children like weak stuff and non characters? Yeah, he's he's giving up. He's saying I don't have to defend this. It's for children. Stop saying this Then he's a child by association because he's defending this bullshit Oh God now when did look when did George start saying star wars was meant for kids because I only heard him say that After the prequel started again. It was lacked in reviews Like right around the time that Anakin started killing children Like that sounded like a reactionary comment saying look everyone who has a brain Hates the prequels but kids love it because action fighting lightsabers and things and so that's what it was meant for He didn't mean for the prequels to be only for kids He made it for star wars fans hoping all star wars fans would like it and the original trilogy was absolutely meant for everyone not just for kids like Oh goodness I never thought about that though Like the idea that he says that and then you play the clip of Anakin threatening to fucking obliterate a bunch of children They're like, this is for kids and you just be sweating again. Like yes Just does it. Well what I'm saying is there's no scene where we watch him do it. Yeah, they don't show it Right, right, right, but did you show him getting burned horribly if you play that scene is implied and ask him to reconcile it I could picture be like, okay, that'll not see the other stuff like The other response is like it was meant for kids was it because kids love learning about trade disputes and debates. Yes I'll be honest with you guys. I saw it when I was so it came out in 99. So I would have been six Because I saw it I'm pretty sure I saw it when it was out. So I wouldn't have understand fuck all about the the trade federation I know I didn't I just went along with it, but I was like daddy. What's a trade federation? Shut the fuck up little rags. You don't know shit about trade federation Stop where I'm going to explain this as a little kid. I found the prequels boring as hell when I was a kid I found the second one boring. I remember that I remember being bored of shit with the anakin Padme stuff. I like the third one though a lot That's because you're a toxic masculine male. You know, I still love story a strong memory. I have was telling my dad I was really gutted that uh, um, Christopher Lee was killed in the third one. I was like, no, I really like Christopher Lee Come on died. I'm dying and everything. You're awesome Choke like a bitch at the end daddy. Hey twice the pride double the fall is a good quote All right, don't have me Wait, am I the only person who knows where that's from here? You guys suck. I have no idea That's when they're facing off against Count Dooku. Hey Shad's a good person. I'm well a powerful The rest of you are bad people Was Count Dooku gay like tywin lanister? Yes apex There's plenty there's plenty of room on that mountaintop for all kinds of gays So at the end of the day, I do feel like there are a lot of large reasons to back up. How Ray is It's for children and apparently I mean, he's obviously referring to the arguments he's made through the video thinking that they're logical reasons But I mean, I'm sure the guy's a nice guy, but I haven't seen those logical reasons. They they are not making sense So I have to disagree with that. So no, no, he was talking about logical arguments in other people's video Does he think that all children's content is shit? Like I always reference Wally. I'm like that film is fucking amazing But it's definitely for kids voice story. Oh, yeah, because that's typically known as being terrible Master's Inc Fucking iron giant treasure planet We've been through this before so many times, but it's the idea that like I had children's content typically known for being terrible No, and you can take the content that is appreciated by kids seriously and appreciate Some, you know more sophisticated, you know, story plots and character development things Absolutely, that's generally what elevates children content to be appreciated by adults Right, that's that's why everyone remembers and praises the the batman the animated series because they're like Oh, it was like a serious series. It didn't treat us like dumb idiot children like star wars did And there you go if you just briefly look at shout you just go all these suggestions including Shrek Shrek is there. Shrek is good shit All right, we got a birth of a nation. I agree Good children's content for children. Oh, yeah, Ringo Ah, there you go. Uh grant lion heart has explained this he's making youtube videos for kids. This isn't supposed to make sense There you go ultimate escape card He is not and I feel like it's kind of a double standard when you try to apply the stuff for rey To lose hate that scene. Holy crap She's literally standing with her legs apart swinging it like a baseball bat from side to side Oh, hey, she's oh my god, I remember when Oh, I remember when the choreographer was fucking boasting bragging about oh, she learned the whole routine in like, uh, the 10 minutes Yeah, that was a complicated routine. She had you know I don't know how she did it here and just swing it back and forth and you'll do the rest in post Oh, yeah, yeah, she's doing it. He goes no no no like a fucking idiot. Yeah, there you go You know like you have bees in your hair I don't know what accent we're supposed to be. I don't know either I don't know where the choreographers from I We should have made him pompous british Yeah, swing it from left right there. No Jerk it up and down Beautiful darling It apparently makes much more sense for some reason even though it's kind of the exact same dumb complaint and I don't understand You didn't establish that so don't even try and make that fucking connection And it's and real quick. I'm also not saying that you're dumb if you don't like ray as a character All film is subjective. Thank you. All art is subjective. All of film is subjective. So why even bother making an argument? It's crazy how they aimed for his crossguard like Yeah, it's weird how that works that his crossguard, I guess is made out of material that is just as strong if not stronger than lightsabers Yeah, that was right in the join there. Yeah on the joint. I mean the same stuff that Their shields are made out of except it's upgraded to be a 100 chance of fiction. Oh, yeah true true um But I like by the way, he spends all of this time making these arguments And then you make some really stupid ones like it's all stupid on purpose and it's all for kids Anyway, and then the final the way that you just shut the gate on this entire thing. It's all subjective It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's all subjective. So what I said is completely irrelevant So you may as well just skip to this part because this is like oh So nothing you said bad as anything even to you you don't even care about this You're like, oh, well, it's just different for everybody. Anyways, it doesn't fucking matter I mean if it's subjective He wouldn't even think he's actually right He think that he would think that like there's no point in making the argument then because it's just you feel you like You know the thing Fringy has been pushing this He's like, I don't think any of these people actually believe that statement that everything is subjective when it comes to I don't think they believe it He said otherwise why make the argument why he also obviously make these argument because he thinks is right And he would only think it is correct if he feels that they're Substantiate which would kind of edge on the objective kind of standards That we like to refer to to be out established that is correct I mean, I don't want to use the word cowardly But it's like we put a bunch of things on a table and been like acknowledge these and then you put a bunch of His things on a table and just before we got to actually like counter you put up a giant shield and said by the way You can't counter this even if you tried In my opinion Subjective My opinion is immune to your opinion But your opinions are shit Yeah, children suck big bad content for them Ultimately it's up to you, but I feel like if you're gonna call rea mary sue It's just an unjust claim. I can respect different opinions, but I can't respect unjustifiably Putting a false claim on a film I respect other opinions, but I can't read back unjustified this guy's struggling bad He hasn't figured this out yet. You need to redraft. There's a whole bunch of times We can justify it. I The amount of people that go through that justification doesn't count because Yeah, you're terrible. Like if I'd love him to have a short circuit if I said, uh, rea is not in this film She's not in the last Jedi and he goes, yeah, she is. I can prove it. It's like do you not respect my opinion? You are you insulting you are you preventing me from having feelings? He'd be like, no No, I can respect specific opinions that coincidentally align with my own It's actually an interesting counter argument if you followed it through if because the only way they can counter is like by saying She is objectively in the film is like, aha objective Because otherwise if everything is subjective, you can subjectively believe rea is not in that film at all Like and it's valid The only way that you could believe that is that you've never seen the film But that's what everybody's told you and so you take their word for it And then you can sincerely believe she's not but then one person says, yeah, she's the main character and then you'll And then it all comes crashing down It's so untenable I don't think they think it through at all and for some reason there's this air of like You know what's easy to prove as well, especially having shad here. So it's like Is everybody on even keel and everybody's absolutely valid no matter what they say when it comes to film criticism For some reason everyone seems to think yes no matter what is said like is that the same case for talking about swordcraft? Am I just as valid in whatever fucking conclusions I reached compared to you shad? It's like I go Well, a sword is really just a stick and it's the same as a staff You you have to accept on the internet Who's who is an expert told me I was wrong in my half-assed assertion I was about to say this this fucking guy actually said that was a problem Like that was a bad thing that happened But and even with history as well like it's funny There are some like subjective interpretations based on evidence, but it's always based on what the evidence is and stuff And and not only when I say evidence There's a broad range of what qualifies as evidence and things like that But the point of history is to be as objective as you can to get to what really happened because we know What happened in history was a definitive truth something literally happened It wasn't multiple things that change based on your own subjective interpretation Something literally happened actions are things that happen and they're set in stone. That's what happened And so the point of history is to discover What actually happened in its Uninterpreted. Oh, just the pure fact. That's the whole point of it You know, I can almost say that's for science as well There's there's no such thing as your truth and my truth is like no There's two perceptions and one of them aligns with reality and you want to have that one be yours Exactly Like if he said if I said ray is not in tlj he goes well, that's your truth. I'd be like no actually it's just false, but okay He's I guess Easier for me because I'm never going to be proven wrong that way It's just another form of id by opinion another form of it's all subjective It's like don't believe something that's so ambiguously unfalsifiable Because then you'll never ever be able to find out of what you believe is actually true or not You've not given yourself criteria to judge it They will argue that the whole objective thing actually limits conversation I always felt there's the opposite because we never get anywhere when it's, you know Was ray in tlj or not? Yes or no? Well, it's up to you Oh Okay What? So you have two guys who like a complete opposite ends of it. They don't listen to each other They just blitz out their perspective and then walk away. It's like well. That was really great guys. I hope we do that again next time Like well is two plus two four Yeah, it's it's just you start the most basic stuff Maybe by your truth. You can work away from maybe by your truth. I call you That's just your opinion. No, it's my it's not just my opinion. It is my opinion, but it's not just my opinion Such as it also forms the reality Yeah, exactly my opinion. It's a fact Okay, it's like the christmas lights thing. I was talking about it's just like a bunch of fucking words floating around They're all intended to prevent that one moment where you go. Oh I was wrong. Oh wait This breaks down at this most base level. Oh, okay. I was wrong Fuck I found out what's right and now I believe that right thing now So good. This is what I mean. It's like once you've made a video essay. None of it is wrong because that's That's cruel. You can't you can't get to that point fucking hell Well, if nothing's true, I can never be wrong That is true and speaking of being wrong. Hello desk bullshit What'd you call me? You were wrong Is a man under a water balloon Yeah I see you're using the art from an artwork that I haven't shown on stream yet. It'll be great. Yes Yes, the context will come later. Can you show it on stream? Is it one of those pictures? I will I get a lot of those pictures I'll see if I can find it. In fact, we could probably well, okay Wait, let's let's finish this video and then I will go to uh meme images. That's that's that's agreeable Uh, desk bullshit. There is a link you'll watch together if you scroll up Enough first one you find that one. I'm already in sweet all right Boop. Boop. No, I'm kind of bummed that I wasn't a part of the uh, the gym sterling video earlier that this Oh, did you see the coverage rags missed it as well? He was pretty fucking terrible Yeah, yeah, yeah It's funny because like, you know, I wish I was a part of it because uh, I uh, I really I have I have an htc 5 I really love vr. I mean, yeah, it's got oh that would have been yeah You could have given us goggles, man. I feel the privilege every uh every A few months when I am not lazy enough to move it into my living room being morbidly obese Do you feel that it is preventative to you? Yes, I'm oppressed. I'm oppressed as shit right now After every sentence, I have to catch my breath It's like walking up a staircase In my opinion It's all subjective in my subjective opinion I believe putting a false claim on a film or a character within that film. It's just Kind of ludicrous if you're asking me. So you saying they could be objectively wrong. Whoa And oh no, no, no, no, don't say that That being said, I just kind of wanted to talk about it because I've been rewatching star wars and talking about star wars Stop touching hands! Oh, look at them go! What is he? What is he sitting? Oh, that looks really uncomfortable. Stop cooperating! I love that we're finding the b-roll background footage of a video and we're inching at what it's saying Oh, yeah, what is he saying? It's just reminded me of TLJ. TLJ is a fucking disaster Like it's just so fun to keep looking back and be like wow that happened. That's it that exists That's the thing and some people think it's great and I just cannot fathom Hundreds of people work together to create that with millions of dollars that happened in our universe. We're on that timeline This wasn't an accident. I'm so sorry This wasn't like major fucking up into whatever it is. This was all deliberate This is why we're all here by the way This fucking movie is why all of us are here right now in this way in this matter If it wasn't for the last Jedi, yeah, then we would have never met and I would have been together What a bittersweet movie. I'm here. I'm here from the Dark Souls video. Yeah, but I didn't meet you until e-fapper started up, right? You know, yes, I suppose. Oh, I was gonna say there's a good chance I may have met other people in different ways, but as we are right now This this wouldn't be the same if not for this movie. So thank you, Ryan. Thank you. It's true Our words more online and it's just been a fantastic experience online So I figured why not translate all of that to my channel because it just might be interesting to discuss it here as well Plus on twitter like I said, I'm restricted to like 280 characters whereas I can just kind of ramble on and discuss my you know points here there and yonder on video So I figured it'd be kind of a more personal way to connect you guys And just a more elaborate way for me to connect with you guys. So that being said, thank you guys so much for watching my video It means a lot. Uh, please give it a share and but and this is something that I'm sure I've literally seen Well, I was gonna say despite the arguments with Laffy taffy jokes Despite rice saying there's shit, which it is which is okay. By the way, keep at it. You'll improve It's all right You'll either get better or you'll just keep continuing down this terrible Pit It's the pit some call it This is this is after you've stabbed his corpse a hundred times with a dagger like it's okay I was gonna say why does it matter? It's all subjective anyway Yeah, it's all equally shit and equally as amazing as everything else You could say he risks going downward at maximum thrust, but I almost wonder if that's even a bet I just love the fact that he he was like, it's all subjective, but if you get things wrong, that's unacceptable Wait Big thumbs up. I'm frame by frame. Remember the name. Don't forget to like I'm frame by frame. Remember the name. See you guys in the next video. I worked on the force Yay, you set me the whole thing with you Clearly missed a few frames He seems like a friendly guy. He was he was dropped on a few frames when he was young Hey, man, that's a subjective statement. I could mean anything his his mother should have swallowed his frames Oh This is your man. This is your mind on vise. This is your mind unframed Well, that was bad. Yeah. No, I was hilarious. Not fantastic Yet another fantastic video though for for our cavalcade tonight Um, next up we're gonna we're gonna check out a whole series of of images and um, if if shad Uh, PSA j long bone even death's bullshit. If any of you feel like you have no fucking clue what's going on You have better things to do in your life. I I wouldn't hold it against you to want to leave You are welcome to stay for as long as you want. Don't feel like it would be offensive in any way I mean a lot of these actually have shad in them. So Oh, do that. Well, I I better stay for that then. There's some are that you'll Yeah, yes, actually and it became Oh, wait. Yeah meme videos. Me and rags are definitely gonna get to meme videos I'm just looking for a good opportunity. I think we're getting there nearly now because 4 a.m. British time, which means give it another few hours and we're gonna be at like the dead zone when no one's around Everybody's everybody's gonna go to sleep and all that so we'll be able to do whatever we want All right Well, let's let's get these memes afoot shall we? I thought this was pretty funny in relation to talking about how the stream might have been reported or it probably was but you know, this is funnier Reported for bullying because they keep picking on the girl with the jaw closing impairment The jaw closing impairment Um, this is so I think we were we talked about this before but no bullshit created a um a guide to social media marketing And they got the fucking red skull from infinity was like I guide others to treasure. I cannot possess That's so fucking perfect Matt Jarbo may not know bullshit Sorry, the noble shit. I met Matt Jarbo. Yeah my brain. I've had a little bit too much to drink I'm gonna have to stop No bullshit social media marketing Yes, um still poignant as fuck Um, so this is in relation to the look review when Sorry Book review when Who for what when for where for that for no bullshit social media marketing tips and tricks on how to create and sustain a If you want to fucking read it, you can review Audio audio book e-fap Uh Oculus pro privilege goggles I like it good at it This is the thing that alex suggested I might be 30 person here against this outside of that's bullshit Maybe but um he said you need to have the oculus vision where because basically jim sterling was arguing that like anybody who Can't see can't use them and this is like am I disabled? More oculus memes I come these were not my twitter. I found all these in the discord They probably were sending me on twitter. I just missed It's it's horrifying spongebob combined with jim sterling undeniably Perfect and it's terrifying. I don't want to look at it. Does he have a corset on his fucking cat? Have you seen jim sterling? Very stylish man How's he supposed to keep the head fat in come on um Why have I forgotten who's fight productions? Oh, no, I imagine not even being remembered by e-fap that we might have gone chat. Help me out. Who's fighter productions? I actually don't know I mean, I've probably said a lot of people who are wrong. So it makes enough sense. I just There's a lot of wrong people on the internet. Sometimes it's uh, Tough to keep them all in uh check Why wings scattershot? That's pretty good One of rags's creations brought to life very quickly Well, that was a meme before Oh, that's why I called it that. Oh, well, they said this one This might have been a repeat one that but I still it was said as soon as you said the meme is a callback But if this is a new meme then this is good as well because oh my day is totally a lot. Oh, yeah. I'm a day I love Not scientifically possible I mean, it's a good movie. It's a stick like weapon. You guys agree, right? Oh, yeah, absolutely sword like weapons Well, the mother's just no text and it just speaks for itself. I was gonna say we know exactly what's going on there So this one's from back when the middle references were coming out. I think rags will get this. It's all good This is like I have to specify who here. I'll actually understand this shit because it's still like in-depth lore Long man good because more middle Like some of these you need specific people. I'll just direct them to this shit. What's the just go to the meme channel I don't care for j I care for j to to a minor degree, but it's all good This was our holy crusade. I feel like we may have shown this one before but it's all right in case I haven't But this is this is us talking about film criticism from several perspectives that involve our our opponents in in debate Take this very seriously as you can tell Also, this is a great Serious podcast and we talk about serious things. No laughing aloud great quote from uh, olena tyrell that now applies to the uh The rest of the series of game of thrones unfortunately Yeah, I imagine that must really be Tough if you try to get back into it This is um, I guess bane came to brown tables birthday party. He's a sexual harassment For you But for me I see you have a piece of cheesecake The long mint cometh Oh god rags. Look at that neck on you. Look at you. Oh, yeah, we beautiful. Oh, we fluffy. We've some fluffy boys I guess i'm jod wicked this scenario Captain midnight cosmonaut cinema wins extra credits ryan johnson majorly quintin reviews h bomb a guy mark brown movie ball Patrick Holmes jack st. Eric taxing just said there's a lot of fucking people we've covered And I forget some games Growing rogues gallery right there molly. It's hitting yourself up for a whole panel It's like less than half of them honestly Man, there's a lot of wrong people on the internet We got it. There's like a selection of four of these, uh New john This is there's a bunch of don related stuff. I mean, this is good shit These are all uh, e-man gameplays edits that are always very slick Look like they were made made that way. Yeah, looks good. The don this is stuff that don would do And who would be facing the don I wonder well, of course, it would be brown table Using sexual harassment also spider-man is coming out These are important beams It's very Even even this degree of of like sketching makes it hilarious You're a broken person. You don't deserve vr I went to privilege goggles Is that something he actually said wait what so did he say that Deserve it. No, he didn't say deserve so he said the reason vr will fail is because it prevents people without legs People who are blind and people who have Obesely fat people that we know famously control the market This is the thing you could he said like physically abled is the only people can that can do You know, there's lots of blind people on the video game market already. So oh, yeah No, they've gone they've gone over that plenty. It's uh, yeah, they designed to pull out 76 I don't know about you. That's a lot that argument sounds perfectly logical because that's why sports just no one plays sports So ableist We actually it's all in it's all in the first third. We are the dawg make america smile again I don't like it Oh my god, I actually I was in the process of making a Some commentary like a reaction on that Deleted captain marvel scene and I made a joke about how They it was cool. It's a joke, but how they kind of subliminally subliminally implied that the don was the don old don Trump like he represented him I mean They named him after after don from I was gonna say there's a there's a chance they would have done that But fuck they didn't really make it clear beyond If that's the reference alone because the people who made captain marvel were Like they're the ones that have all the characters. They're like, you know why they call it the cockpit, don't you? Oh, that's that's a line Uh, so this is obviously Aquaman walks up to wolf and says I heard you talking shit about my live action So I did let me shorten it to a 10 minute video Attention span fuck aquabad and then he gets slapped by him. I feel like that's just the first half of the story Wolf would probably kill him um Good old simpson's reference for the middle There's no end only middle How confusing would this be out of context? He's like, what the fuck you want that even me wouldn't know the hell Wolf wielding some deep hole building a pizza in an axe natural state wonderful rendition So this is this is about I think this was us trying to talk about the politics of old video games that we went back to pong The neocons paradise It makes enough sense to me deep political imagery. Yeah It's I think it's communists personally. It's trying to address the issues while also projecting the positives We've seen stuff like this before when we started getting mass shooters as we know the important thing is the dawn appears in borderlands We've had several screenshots of this. I just want to make sure everyone's still aware of this. He's He's stuck on the epic store. I guess if this is borderlands 3 This is referencing the sausage doom guy Wanted that are alive glowing yellow pole for the high crime of causing cry more undue stress Besides his name cry more I think so Um, is it really This is actually a fringy meme that got converted into something else that we will cover. Um, this is this is the foreshadowing Let's put it that way If you know the simpson's episode it's referring to it's basically just uh, I Eyes sight your bob cannot escape the rakes of but the comics The video vision will make it well more I don't know what you're talking about shan. I don't know what you're talking about We've got too many too many memes buddy too many memes to go through Dirty deeds don dirt cheap Hey, this crime's at affordable prices Um, I consider this semi-accurate because I did make a two hour video on her specifically so That's pretty good So this Fuck what was the context exactly for this? So Thanos snap is removing half And Wolf's snap was to remove stupid people So only the guy with the dunce cap gets removed. I think this is a better world. What do you guys reckon? Oh, man, it's not moldy at all. Well terrifying. I still think that's half Oh, I think it's all I was gonna say that's just very conservative to assume that it's just half Wolf's snap would be empty panel Right. Well, what is the context for this one? I can't quite Oh, we said what if there was a guy in america named joseph stalin and nobody ever explained why in a story This is a genuine quote from good old totals just because it's bad doesn't mean it's bad It's just having a react to it Oh Yeah, we got another another one from the joseph catalog. I mean stalin catalog What a handsome lad. Oh, yes I'm not sure what is referencing. I guess wolf is half buried but he's got his phone there and Many of rags images as well as a go go away gay thoughts pizza So when he was really into muscle This is a beautiful rendition of the dawn taking care of the cosmic chicken Oh, you don't understand the context. You are um, probably a horrible person just saying probably Thought it was the other way around. Yeah, well, it depends on which is the new testament versus the old testament really This is uh, wolf staddled Yeah, he's gonna be The beard is how you know there's so many fucking extra credits beams when this first happened It all started when I was young I played cops and robbers with my friends and then it escalated to payday two It normalized bank robbers and made me get this retarded extra credits haircut I love I love how they're more they're more well known now for that terrible video than being a youtube channel that explores topics Yeah, man. Yeah, that's weird So pretty sure by the time they saw that video like everybody in the world was all like, oh, yeah, there's still a thing So this is uh Shad is battling the most dangerous noodle A lot of the dox old weaponry there Nice little picture of Sloan old poke probably get some Sloan old before the 24 hours That's good Again with no context. It's an interesting one say the line wolf Oh The the the fantastic thing with that is it wasn't his line. He was reading out someone in chat, but it became his line Damn it. I'm the woman again I Kind of a relevant one He's being very specific to me. Is that the point? It's like yes, but some people will not get them The fucking variety we have today they did it okay the way that they did it bill baeus Baggilius the second baeus baggilius the second what it means to slice and dice and a pin He's one of the biggest and still is one of the oldest ones. Oh, yeah, he was almost pre-fab, right oldest Yeah, definitely one of them. He might actually be pre-fab Somebody touch up my spy date Is that a watercolor meme? Yes, uh There's not many mediums we have left for the fat meme to be coveted We've had literal Legos and like fucking We have the the connect Bead things as well that we're getting through them. We've got all kinds Uh, I love that one. I wonder how many people get the spaghetti bolognese Uh, me now. Oh true fans will absolutely get it. Let me get that Let me say that if app is uncultured. We got watercolors I feel like I may have posted this one already, but hey the hue vegetables is uh Something I said and you got the the quintin I want to say I'm not good with with with what I know broccoli, carrot and corn Is what's the first one? I want to say eggplant. I think that's an eggplant. It's an eggplant plant The quintin sideburn is beautiful I fucking hate orange, man. Long man bad. Now, please super chat You could cook me like a grenade and make me into a sandwich for bark brown Oh that cooked me like a grenade Man, we've got so much history And then the last one says Can spiders actually tell the future from j Memories. Oh, yeah, that's right Oh j this one's interesting. So you got a liter of shit from wolf and you've got everyone and shad and me charging against him I um, I I don't even know that I had an opinion on that. I remember being like, oh, I haven't seen it Well, I belong there I don't need the charge We're in good hands This may be a small meme you have to zoom in or whatever, but it's a good one Oh wait, you guys might want I have to but alid yells at middle Wasn't alid pro middle wasn't his whole thing that he was okay with the middle. I can't remember now Pointing out how the middle is Oh, this is a fucking a 300 meme But like not used in the in the manner you'd expect We had that I remember that's from 300 actually. It's that we had seen with it's like an oracle or whatever Prophet rags has foreseen the dreaded episode nine You see the movie he has taken it up the ass He has felt the fan sadness. He's heard the producers excuses. He has watched the shills defend He has read the critics be puppets all will be as he has were told you know, that's what's gonna happen Yeah, I was gonna say it'll just be another cycle bullet likely The cycle shall be getting a new There I am shooting down my straw man and all of a sudden in my subjectively objective a pity of wolf Fucking him troubled to dust for this. I didn't choose this yet. Here it is. I guess quintons become Nazi he's a long man bet. I'm not sure the narrative is unclear here Treated no differently than being a massive Quinton hasn't earned the title of massive that you know you need to have certain qualities to get that He think he's gonna eat his way to the title perhaps That's a pleasant image or the rings and pizza. It's all you need. Oh, yeah They they blended it quite well, you know, I can see that these sort of these sort of match the image. I'm liking it Wow, which Superman is that Who knows this Superman here I think it's number two I haven't watched too many Like it was actually blended so well I thought that the text was like the only part of the joke and then I actually Got the the wolf cinder block low durability, but high damage rhino Ivory chainsaw not bad e-fab weapons and the cold dagger of boredom freezes weaker enemies instantly and slows down others Can be thrown at enemies and retrieved by making an okay sign I think this feels familiar to me actually I may have read this up before has previously been used to harm the elder god tonal does mentioned in 111 in his video anthem almost ruined my summer. Oh wait, we only covered that recently ish though Yeah, I think this is new. I think this is a new one. Yeah, this is a new one So do you really want that ball this absolute subjectivity this what I actually feel like I've read out before But then I can't tell the difference because I've seen all of these before in prep for putting them up so There are strange What a strange image it is some of these you have to decipher like this one's very clear though I understand the meme here right away. Oh, yeah I wonder if there's a mod for the slender man game that has Slender man, whatever you escape him in the game. He should be like you just hear a distant who wrote this Cape from the middle I can see it I don't know if you've caught this but there's a recurring theme of the middle being the enemy of e-fab in some ways This I don't know if maybe jay should have been the head here, but I think the writer works regardless I am the milk man. My milk is delicious Fucking contact I think this is in reference to me saying at the beginning of e-fab like 47 like who likes effort and then a bunch of like comments were like Fucking you. I was just like I just fucking I don't know Start the stream Imarus Got got more e-fab weapons We are uh, we're three quarters of the way through by the way, and I usually I save the um The more artistic pieces for the end. I think the last one might actually be where smud boys is uh That's not smud boy fucking death bullshit pictures from You got gay donut dispenser traps enemies in sticky queer glaze leaving them open for follow-up attacks The yellow pole launcher fires large glowing yellow poles towards enemies causing massive damage The magna glock while it's magnetically drawn to their target That's just a fantastic reference And just a flashlight although it looks like a simple flashlight It is actually a grenade launcher. It is best to know this before playing so you don't kill yourself in starting Uh, you know that reference rags starting over starting over. Oh That's actually I I thought immediately reminded me of where that's from. Um Do you remember pressing f in a certain game to try and activate your your light and it fired a fucking grenade I remember pressing f in a certain game to activate my flashlight. It was a particularly well made game Was that alien colonial marines a particularly well made game I'm thinking you don't even walk out of the freaking first room you spawn and like oh it's dark in here I would like to see This is just full of references Who wrote this bark at least got my fucking pizza wait, I definitely read this one out, but I still love it So I don't even care Because uh, this was relevant to the I want to say efap 46 We five I can't remember it's the one we covered the I'll say buzzfeed. Why is crack. Hmm. Sorry too many of the names are interchangeable. Leave me alone Um, yeah, it's good shit Now this one This is a bit of a deciphering have to do here because it's Think it's a reference to shinobi defending the Jurassic Park movies. That would make a lot of sense to me But I don't know much more beyond that it was definitely sent at me in relation to efap, so It's a cool drawing regardless. Lots of clues and stuff And again apologies if I've shown these on stream before because I'm I'm blending together I've shown Do you remember this one rags? I remember talking about this with somebody Oh You got the rhino the cosmic chicken Fraggled, I think wolf is supposed to be goliath godzilla there that a spider with a with an orb I just got an efap production. I just love the whole thing I do like it. Yeah, I like the orb of the spider guy massive rhino At first glance you might think that they're all just the people from all the monsters from the film, but no No, it was so artistically intertwined within the narrative the uh Uh film that it just works like it was made for it Must demonize the nazi Of a stressed face Um, oh, yes, this was from cynic snacks. Uh, he did it on a stream out of request in his chat I just want to make sure that we actually showed it here as awesome You got a cj stacks a pipe man throwing some making it rain on rags while he's doing his uh His set I guess while I'm sorting out music and uh little wolves cut the drink This is uh, it doesn't necessarily have to be connected to efap at all But this is just a really great drawing of the dot. I guess like I'm not sure like Oh, that's so good Did someone do that for us? I do this is the thing. I don't know if this is connected to efap or not Or someone just did it in general because there's nothing in the picture that implies efap But there's a good chance that it's to do with efap because I don't think anybody has glorified the dot as much as we have That shows him in a very positive light, you know as the don deserves to goodman he was Betrayed and abused by the horrific monster known as captain marvel Well, bravo. I love it. I do uh This is the alan pocalypse. It's not the end. It's just the middle The power of apotheosis compels you I guess that's wolf rags be I think that's the pizza slash cynics next and the dawn and I want to say the cosmic chicken it would make sense It's almost like a movie poster How does it look? I like it's got this kind of It's got this whole video game cover vibe to it some kind of It's it's like a 70s trippy sort of film cover. Maybe I really like it. It's got it. So it's very unique It was the other one for the wolfenstein stuff possibly the best one just for explaining the narrative here And Legal legal and that fucking bozo on the left. I think it was I am that robbie was that guy Man, that was a weird phase in ifa. We're going through captain marvel defense videos Um So I wish jay were here, but I don't know what to make of this. I'll just present it It's it's an interesting drawing say the least it's a bit of a sausage and a cup of rhino milk probably and a bag of what seemed to be geodes And that's definitely jay Who knows what's going on here. He's just having he's frolicking. I would say it's a good piece of art though undeniably well-drawn Yeah, looks like a good time. I don't judge you Did I show this one before I can't remember if I showed this on a stream, but um, this is I think this is omega ridley, uh Makes fucking badass looking pieces of This is this is gonna be a long one for read it out super chas with this Series, I'm not sure where I'm fitting it in but it's gonna happen Here we go again So I guess like you you the lore of I guess you have like the skeleton spine I think yeah, possibly, you know, this is the thing. It's it's always changing. You never know exactly what the truth is this was uh tildia or tildia who um I believe mentioned ifap and um, we'll probably guess on this show eventually But it's like a a dia vision of me as well Because we're hanging out we're clearly friends in this in this scenario What do you call yourself? Uh, I'm gonna let the fans come on. Yeah How could I how could I do that when I'm already moving on to the next piece of art which we have to appreciate? Look at this shit Why does rags have titties? Because rags is always the cute I didn't ask for this Holy shit though. How cool is this drawing? Wolf the pizza demon. I love it I'm just a fucking tranny hook He's a demon with food. You've got some Fucking gun a massive go We're just turning tricks to buy a mcdonald's burger to keep me going another day You never know what kind of all comes out of e-files. I'm saying nope Rags you're looking pretty pretty neat there as well. Everybody's uh Oh, this is gonna be some kind of out of me reference that I'm not aware of And then this one's just adorable got the pipeman wolf me Uh al fringy jay and rags I really like that style. It's really cute. Yeah, you always gotta love the cute ones Ah Love it Very cute. This one's just speaks for so you don't even need to know the fucking right. It looks like a kebler elf You're not as smart as you think you do Man, this is a This is a lot to take it when you first see it. He's like, whoa. Okay. So you got If I have episode 41 her um now, here's why you're wrong. I don't like spider-man homecoming What are your thoughts on interstellar did wolf ever ask you that? I don't remember that Why a shadow bottle of something Is it because I don't drink and it's a play on the Maybe is that shan? I'm assuming. Oh, maybe. Oh Did he not like homecoming either? No, he didn't Ah, oh no, no, I'm thinking far from home. Sorry. I'm going. Oh, I can't remember what he thought of far He made a video on it. Uh, I remember him thinking it was I can't remember if he thought it was better or worse than homecoming actually Then you got people in the chat. I guess saying that uh, we don't like avengers civil war Well, that's on you chat. That's on also. This was the one I was talking about rags. You got version one, which is the alternate, uh Me and me and wolf being put into a singular Dog, which did anyone watch cat dog? That was a show I remember that. I remember it being around you That reminds me of this funny. I like his face Style's great. I was gonna say and I think we mentioned in some way she before the rags get added to it and he did that Disgusting third wheel Oh my god And right You don't know I'm just gonna sprout arms and legs and fall off We don't know if I'm happy or sad about this series of events. I like the wolf's high though Ah, this is the one that uh, it's the same guy at stratomire. Oh, you're right. Yeah Jesus christ, dude. Oh, who is this guy? Uh, I just saw the stream going Oh shit's going down. Oh, hopefully it comes back up. We this has happened like We're back. Okay. All right So What what stream was this from? What's true? So this would be the um fireman base. Yeah, you weren't you missed the the ones we shared Yeah, the unassailable spaghetti bolognese argument Which apparently very much impressed the three of us that were listening You could as you can tell from the spatial expressions Oh, yeah, he's in chat by the way Radomire and he said that uh, but hello, it's me. It's like, yeah, this work is fucking great It's great. I love it. Really good. I obviously loved it That's crazy. And yeah, sorry it took so long to like feature them But like I said, I was saving all the beams for efab 15 because it made sense to have a big showcase And it looks like they're the same person who drew them Yeah, uh Because it's like different styles Um, so if you remember we saw the wolf version. This is the rags one from those like Efab icons. Ah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My epic game store is the big gay And sure enough the more time goes by the more awful the epic game store gets I'm I think it's just like scrap the road map sort of thing I still haven't fucking added Yeah, all this promise they just dropped having it. I guess it's just forget it I guess I should move this one. This is the the me vision of it You even got a little little orb with the spider on it Yay Beautiful little trio. Yeah, fuck it. Awesome Okay What's that you're holding? That's a spider with the oracle spider hat bloom on it like the fortune teller I use it to see the future Ah, I had to blow it up a little bit. There it is. It's adorable. He builds the most impressive of wheelchairs. I got this one Got on the flag it says praise be the chicken guided by the loke. Blessed is the dawn You got Goliath watches A little armored up on my on my horse as well with the efab shield rags as I'm guessing having a snooze I guess It could be a number of things. Yeah, you know, who knows what's going on exactly captain american in the back. I guess Oh, yeah, I guess I'll be j Because he has the shield in his icon Am I like the fucking? Oh, of course. I don't know. He's riding a rhino as well. That would be j Ah, yes, of course Um, this one. I don't actually know exactly where it came from but rags sent me it and it's wonderful Someone drew me as a cat Because I don't know how I feel about I don't know how I feel about it Again cannot stress enough how amazing some of the art we get is like it's just like what the fuck are we supposed to do with this? Why are you doing this to us? We we we can do nothing but say this is amazing. I'd love it Are these like um, you said we have we had like a uh unofficial website Yes, which I believe all of them get stored on for easy viewing, but you can also find them in the It is live. It is live. Um, it says current runtime as a vfap 49 So what's interesting is that if you go to the website now look at the top um Click here 24 hour 50th special live now best wishes wolf. Oh, that's cool I get links here sure enough it links to Yeah, he's uh, I guess the person behind this is is constantly tweaking it to be um Like more user-friendly and it goes and yeah, see this is the meme section where you just it's like ease of access to every Meme that's ever been showed. I'm not sure where the source for this is I don't know if he's using the discord because that would make a lot of sense, but That's a lot of memes Hey It's incredible so many memories And look this it look everything looks slick too Like it doesn't take forever to load like all the shits just fly it out as you're clicking Yeah, dude, this is like professional tier stuff Oh, this shit can bring a tier to your eye. Look at all the memories This is something we'll probably do maybe like efap 100 we could just look through this entire list I'm gonna get lost in this I need to stop. Oh, yeah. No, they don't they don't stop I like how if you go to hosts it has you and it says rare owner of a twitter account The last word I was gonna say the sick I just said is this this drawing of I guess efap going to war again Just fucking fantastic got So much detail and the thing that's really cool, right? So you can obviously tell exactly who a lot of these people are but then the clones are A specific as well so you got like the clone with the pipe And the british flag so it's obviously pipeman Um, then the the dog bones on his legs. That's cj Uh I'm trying to actually figure these out as I go Like there's a lot of details. I see an ice pack. Oh, yeah, that'll be you Keep out goliath. He's got a british thing on him. He's got a mushroom So I guess that's cynic snacks Uh, another british one with the bones. All right, cj. There's bill bow, of course. Mm-hmm. There is I love him Oh, yeah, kyle. Let's see. There's das both shit. He's got the Water bottle thing on his head I'll say dormant outside Tributes demanded I got efap like, uh, I guess they're like notches for each episode And smile got a smile for me Uh, look at that. You got even logic has a rapier Assuming that's that is that weapon shad could confirm that for me Yeah I tried I tried Um, am I right on this and saying that a lot of us have lightsabers. Is that accurate to real life? I you know, I think that's correct Thank goodness Yeah, um, that's actually I think that's it for the actual the pictures. We got a shit ton of videos to do as well We will you know Looks like I'm shooting. I'm firing a awkwardly shot lightsaber out of my gun. It's like I can't I can't unsee it This is what it's uh, the simpsons reference individually. We are weak like a twig, but as a bundle we form a mighty sword-like weapon Um I'm so glad I was on the stream for the birth of that meme. Oh, yes. It's a it's a good that's got some staying power You can already tell There's got to be like quotes like when the uh, like when the website kind of expands out and stuff You need to be like a quote every time you visit the page. There's like another one Yeah, like a call of duty thing Yeah, pretty much Okay, um that pretty much. I mean we're at we're at 6 20. So, um I have a choice of we we could cover another video. We could look at meme videos or I could Try and get some super chats done or at least get through a few of them. So Multiple choice chat. Oh shit. Like no, I have no choice but to do something else. I completely forgot Oh, we got a we got a meme quiz to do Oh I'm gonna say again you guys I have been drinking more than normal Don't feel like you have to stay for any of this. Absolutely. You could do whatever the hell you want Is this a is this a quiz for e-fap memes or a quiz in general memes quiz for e-fap memes So when the hell did you get here again? I have a couple of emails that I'll need to get through so I might hop off But I could pop in again a little bit later So we we will see you guys got another at least like 10 hours, so What? Oh, good luck I know you can I thought we were near the finish. Fuck. No. All right. We got this 10 hours. We can do it You're more than halfway there Yeah, you know, I'm gonna hop off too like until you know when you're and when you're done I might come back Yeah, with the memes. All right problemo Memory All right. Good to be in the same room with you. Yeah, long bone. I uh, I love your video Oh feelings mutual. Thank you I also love my videos Yeah, I think I'll see any remaining guys later Yeah, all right guys. I'll see you around. Yeah, you bet I'll see you around. Thanks for having me again guys. Happy 50th Happy non-fifty Thanks. See you later All right, you're ready for this rags. No, we can't look at chat as well All right, let me Bring up a new tab. Let me put some porn on any tab or something I can I can read the questions to you unless you want to pull up my stream and you'll be able to see them, but um So first question. I'm checking on the stream on which episode did we discover? And again, I'm not going to look at chat at all for this. Okay. This has got to be genuine answers Hide chat button. Yep. Fuck. There it is. It shows up on the stream though Me and me and me and rags are gonna do this from memory. We'll agree on on a choice. We'll see how we do Can you not link it to me? Oh, well, I guess we can't but I I'd like us to do it together You know as opposed to having I'll put them down the same answers. Yeah, so they're at me the same It'll just allow me to read along in such linkarood um Okay, so uh history of every frame of pause quiz this quiz will probably turn you into a nazi But if you don't take it you have boring taste and I don't want to be friends with you That's some fucking Deep memory right there um This whole thing is deep memory. I'm glad someone actually made this Also too as well in addition Rags is wrong because he's a chair Malbo Baggins did you? Malbo Baggins Slice and dice hate mongers and verbal terrorists of the toxic brood get your rhino milk ready man Toxic brood that's got some staying power. Absolutely Okay, I thought I was ready for this but damn. He's going ham on this shit I don't know if i'm ready anymore on which episode did we discover that spiders could tell the future I know it was when we were covering cinemas sins and it was j It was j with cinemason. I think it was Everything wrong with avengers infinity wall. That was it. I'm thinking so. Yeah, because it has to have j in there Um, so when did the star wars episode nine questions start? Oh I actually have no idea I want to say it was when we were covering major lee's third number 13 What why just to get like what what what makes you think that because I have got nothing Because I don't feel it was like super super early But I think that it was still the product of a star wars related discussion I think that makes sense. You reckon 13 That's what I would put I'm gonna. Yeah, I'm gonna agree. I've really I really can't remember the one Which of the following is not Librarians Again chat will 100 percent this I'm not looking at chat for the duration of this quiz. Yeah, I'm not looking at Which of the following is not a quote from rags. Look at what the fuck I can do. I'm jesus Hmm, I can't Tomorrow day is the satyr. That sounds like something you'd say How dare you shoot me? I'm a woman. I think you've definitely said that How dare you shoot me a woman? I think that was probably during the bat woman thing too Chew that spit and walk to the bank with it. Is that Does that sound like some reason? No, I I I know that would be something along the lines of why don't you like stick that and your Smoke that in your pipe and walk it to the bank or something like that. So maybe Um I sure do you love women. They are nature's gift to women kind I could see you saying that All I remember is the bog. All right I'm kind of fucked on this which of the following is not a quote. So you said all of these except one Like I've never even heard any of these I think I think chew the spit and walk to the bank with it I think that's similar to something I've said because I've been like such and such and take that to the bank or something to that Some oh, you think it's a trick question Yeah, I think it's similar to something I've said, but I can't remember because all of these obviously I could say anything. I don't have much of a filter But I know like tomorrow day is the satyr. I'm pretty sure I've definitely said that look at the fuck I can do. I'm jesus Uh, I think it's chew that spit and walk to the bank with it. I'm willing to agree with you on that one It's also important to note that I am rags and I'm not sure Yeah, let's go back real quick. I just want to make sure my answers are filled in with you guys. Uh, number one was um 90 a oh b. Okay. What 19 13 chew that spit 19 13 chew that spit Got it 19 13 chew that spit All right, where did the insult massive originate? Oh, that's easy. Joseph Anderson twitter argument just right today. Uh, oh so technically speaking where does it originate is Not necessarily the twitter argument. Is it it's an e-fap because it's something I believe rags or wolf created the uh The insult calling I think wolf created it you you called him well Yeah, because that was the thing wolf Either you or wolf said the the offensive part was massive. It wasn't I'm pretty sure that was that might have been you Yeah, I was like, oh, I can't you believe he called you a mess You said this was an easy one. Well, it was it wasn't It was until I thought about it Um Fuck I should really be awake during these things all right, okay, so Because he because here's the thing Three of these questions have the right person Joseph Anderson So damn That's the thing. He knows that we're going to probably know it's joseph um My my guess would be 11. It would have been the first time we talked about no I don't was it the first or second comment when I 11 was a long time ago also, um Since we're doing the quiz someone wanted to jump in Um No way Oh my god Hello Hello Hey Hello, hi. Hello. Hello. Hi. You said that at the beginning of the fucking history Oh How are you doing? I'm I'm okay You know the not too sleepy. Are you we've got this this wonderful quiz that goes over all of you fab. I'm pretty I uh got off work about uh That was about an hour ago, so Well, good shit playing title two an amazing game had Oh, yeah, I played a match and was looking at the memes. Um, whoever made the cat dog meme with rags as a horrifying tumor That's amazing. I I don't know whether to thank you or avoid you for the rest of my life Uh, if you want to If you want to click the link in the the latest link in the in the description It'll pull up the the quiz for you and then we're all basically going to decide on an answer and then choose it And we're not allowed to look at chat Because they have all the answers. So if you want to follow along with us the first answer we gave was shut down Yeah, yeah chat likes to think they have all the answers. Yeah, I sure do They're a they're a neural network. All right. So for the first question We're running with um episode 19 for when spiders could tell the future. I know that's right I I have a perfect memory of that one. Oh, yeah, because that was uh, I remember seeing like one of the birds a little from with the sun videos where we were watching like that clip When spider-man was going over the bridge and that was when jay asked it and then Rags told him he was a fucking idiot Idiot When when did star wars episode nine questions start, um I couldn't quite remember rags. His logic was it would have been past episode four And it would make more sense to be a star wars centric episode. So he's going with 13 I think it could be 13 or 14, but I I'm willing to bet it was 13. Yeah Ah This next one I feel like it might be 13 Which of the following is not a quote from rags? What would you even guess here? Well like fucking what is this? Like one of these what the fuck I can do. I'm jesus. That's definitely a rags quote Tomorrow day is the sadder. That's definitely a rags quote. How dare you shoot me? I'm a woman That's definitely a rags quote chew that spit. What is the all I remember is that okay? No, the last one is definitely me Really oh I'm almost positive. That's me. Oh That's actually More than we were yeah, I was gonna say why would rags reference a bong. I don't I don't know if I've ever heard him reference a bong That's true. I could do the thing that I do you could yeah, you could Could do the thing that he does though like I could have pretended to be wool He could have but I'm almost positive if that's a mequel and only you weren't smoking at the time You're you're you're drug add-ons You're always what do we do the cat dog drew you with red eyes. Hey, I'm not drug-addled rags I'll have I haven't a pizza or had caffeine in like 15 days and it's that's difficult In that so which would you go with out of these? The last one You reckon right? He seems more confident than I am which is weird because this is supposed to be my quote But that that could very well be true. So I think we'll go with his answer. Yeah, all I remember is the bong Right. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. All I have to do all I have to do is say All but one of these well no because I could be the one that I have never seen Wait, you can just say all of them and then the question's wrong. Yeah, the question's oh No, no, no, I think we're right Yeah The next one we're stuck on because is where did the insult massive originate and we got the joes fanneson twitter argument That's where it there was the source of the discussion that created the insult. So that's not that that wasn't where the insult came from Yeah, it wasn't the just right debate, but it it's between efab 11 and 16 now it could be 11 But I think it might be 16 because I would have gotten into a back and forth with him on twitter as a result of efab 11 I feel like I feel like 11 is too early I feel it's 16. I think it's 16 too. I don't yeah, let's get it's gotta be 16 because like I remember We started using massive around the gadelb two time And that was after We made a time in gadel long ass quiz. I didn't scroll all the way down Oh my god Well, this is interesting though because I want to see if we could which one of these we could nail between the four Was put together. Uh, who was the main guest when massive faggot was originally shortened to massive So that would be efab 16, right? If if we're going to have a cheat and look at the thumbnails I'm gonna say we shouldn't do that. We should go from memory. We can do this so Why horror games don't scare me chase face and metal commander And someone was it smud boy? I can't remember the three guests for that one. Joseph Anderson versus subjectivity. I know Me rags and wolf roll there, right? Which means That was theo because we write his oh Oh wait, theo came in Like halfway plus through so who was the other person we have because he was the one who wrote the comment Was it cynical reviews cynic snacks voxels productions? I mean theo counts. I think theos comment was in response to joseph anderson The fact is it says main guest though main guest. It's probably theo doesn't count I don't think voxels was on there because voxels came on when the the first time I think it was jared on cynical reviews. No Oh, I don't think it was cynic snacks Main guest kills me because I'm just sitting here and all I can hear is the word faggot in voxels voice Faggot You faggot because voxels I'm I'm certain it wasn't voxels theo was the the the other guest the non main one. So I'm almost certain it wasn't cynics next to literally I the only one that I can't confirm wasn't there was cynical reviews That's the only one I can't confirm for sure. I know the other three went the the required thing of it Do you think it was just the three of us and then theo came in later? Unless well, then how would you answer this question? Well, then I guess I'm gonna go with theo. Oh true I'm gonna go with theo Yeah, I kind of think it's theo because I know you I think I'm pretty sure he was there Remember if we get these wrong, it's literally like apocalypse times Oh, no. Well, let's get it over with then. Do we want to go with the other? Yes, all right, we're going with theo. All right, go see you. Are you a scroll down next? Are you a bad person if you haven't seen lord of the rigged trilogy? Yes. Oh, yeah, see yeah, we Can you actually With no points. Oh, definitely. I'm gonna go with we I'm going yes Because the best goddamn country in the language in the world wolf wrote Wolf wrote which of these books obviously It's number two because I was I was just reading the I was just on every e-fap and that's on his bio dude. No bullshit social media marketing I want to go with on number three That is a long ass name for a book That book's title is a real book name Yes, yes, it was written by mad job Yeah, it's mundane matt's book We had a meme on it earlier. It was great. I was genuinely about to look it up to see if no bullshit wrote Oh, yeah, the youtube channel. What was bailing the dragon's first feature drawing creepy Yep, I remember that shit. Yep Uh, which non e-fap stream introduced us to fred the cosmic chicken So that would be jay. That was I wonder Yeah, that was jays because that was the glide stream. That one is deep lore Who's full length meme video was the first to be played on e-fap? Oh A little potato. It was a little potato. It wasn't gray sheep No, it was a little potato But I thought the the first one we played back in like episode like four or five whatever was if you remember the I was I was thinking No, I was thinking of like the first meme video ever before e-fap was made when yeah, that was first one I think he made the first one with the just right stuff But I'm pretty sure the first one we ever showed was gray sheep and it was um dothmole fighting Obi-Wan and quaggon. I'm pretty sure that was the first one we showed It was the three of us versus jared Yes, which is is recontextualized now that he's in jail What was he in jail? I was about to say like what I mean, I mean, I heard he was arrested. So oh, I mean, I know the police came to his house But I think he was arrested Oh, I I I can't confirm but I mean I'm pretty sure it was gray sheep though. That would be my guess Keep him the hell off youtube Which of these guests informed us the don's wife. I already know his robot head Does anybody have any other takes the confidence? It was 100% robot head. He made a shit out of it Maybe he made one of the best e-fap memes Oh, well, he was the one that because I remember listening back to it He's the one that it's like he starts the tragic history of the dawn. He starts talking about it and then we all add to it So did one of us add to it? Oh, totally. We all added to it one of us added to it Like we all we all add elements to a story. I mean, we all have said pretty much, but he was I believe With 100% certainty that he was the one that started the uh, that don't there's more to don than meets the eye But was the wife dying of cancer or something that I add because I can't remember. Oh Oh, no, he's not in jail. He's I could have screaming Just worn that was robot head that said that but now I'm not so sure But I don't know I could have been you because we might it because we were all adding to it Yeah, no, you're right and it blossomed so Even though he's the one who began it and kicked it off I don't know. That's like a 50-50. I really don't know if it was I'm gonna go with robot head, but it definitely could be right Robot head. Yeah, we'll stay robot head. When was it established that j was efaps manager. Okay. This is tough Was it the jack saint eric taxon stream that I could believe that It wasn't five and seven. I know that much Well, if you interpret him Is uh becoming the manager when we first met him five could be correct Oh, well, he said what is established. He was He was there on 19 And I want to say that it was because he was there for so long and the the arc had been like you come full circle as of 22 Because he was helping us respond to criticism of us when he first he was featured first on your fap So I think I made some kind of joke about him being manager. I I want to say 22 Say anyone else has any takers for that one Yeah, I got nothing All right, uh, whose video was covered when the fat people can vote twice meme started One sec. What did we what did you decide on on that last? Uh 22 Whose video was covered when I want to say mark brown for some reason Who makes sense for it to be movibob, but we haven't covered movibob Other than recently and then ages ago I can't speak because the movibob video or at least the the one of the however many I I dropped out of because I couldn't do it. I heard that he killed a whole bunch of people Couldn't do it either. Yeah, he he made it everybody except me and rags We've survived so far I want to like I said, man. I so regret not being there for that episode. Oh, no I want to say mark brown myself, but it could be mark brown or quinn No, it wouldn't be quinton because we never covered him outside of episode like Eight and nine and the fat people can vote twice me was after that. So it's between joseph and mark It's between joseph and mark. I thought it was movibob and mark No, no movibob. It can't be because we've only covered him very recently and then ages ago Oh Got it. So what would we have been covering for joseph anderson to give birth to that me? See, I think I I don't know but I also don't know the answer to that for mark brown But I'm almost for some reason I'm really inching towards mark brown Yeah, that doesn't sound like anything that would come out of a joseph anderson video, but like It shouldn't come out of either of the videos, right? That doesn't make sense for you either of them He's I guess it's just least likely to come out of joseph anderson really because I again I used to watch his channel up until he pissed me off about sona summer Sona does anyone sona here. Does anyone object to me choosing mark brown? No, let's go ahead and go with it. Yeah, let's go with mark brown When did wall first say hello all my n words? I want to have sworn between five and 20 I was gonna go with 19 Just swan j was there for it wasn't he Five seems like it kind of a uh Too young or there because of I'm pretty sure it was just the three of us that started off that stream though because Yeah, there was the three of us that started off that stream. I don't know if we brought on a guess later on What do you reckon rex that was Man, I honestly have no idea. Oh, no, it couldn't have been five because fringy wasn't there Well fringy was there on five. Yeah, yeah, yeah for when And then a rhinos with the memes checking up bad criticism that was j long bone was there And I I really don't remember her being there for the creation of that Oh, you might be right. It might be 19. Yeah, I think it was 19 um All right, good stuff process of elimination people who tweeted at mohler in other words I had no virtual visually no purpose on youtube until I made a six hour long review where I bitch about a 2.5 Hour movie now. I was good for you really. Yeah, that's majorly Yeah, majorly. He's a smart lad. Even dead tists don't like game of thrones season eight Which of these movies have never been mentioned leaf up masquerade has because that's rags Yes, snow piercer has because of the comparison with child and chocolate factories So we're down to a company man and cast away on the moon I never heard of either of those two movies I want to go with cast away on the moon because I feel like a company man may have been mentioned Yeah, I I can't even remember cast Yeah, it doesn't trigger any memories for me All right, uh, according to someone red apple means communism I could be a critical drinker. Yeah, I didn't say anything. So nerd erotic. Nerd erotic I'm going with erotic. Nerd erotic, huh? Why why would garrison red apple equals communist? Who could have possibly I think logic might have said that that sounds like something you might have said Could be drinker, nerd erotic or logic Oh, I guess I don't know the context of if this is just something they said unironically or ironically Oh, yeah, I'm assuming it's a fucking joke You never know that's true. Very strange nowadays Yeah, but these people are all normal people He said I personally I would vote for logic I feel like it would have come up with him in some way shape or form as a dumb joke I don't remember it being associated with critical drinker Oh, we could have been that could have been something in the er stream. Actually, I'm not sure Damn it. This is too hard Yeah, come on man. You got to think of difficulty curves here Don't think Okay, you know what I noticed though this quiz you you made this quiz for A number of people who have the combined intelligence of like I don't know like the combined IQ of Forced gump. I like you got to make these questions easier. No, I like that. They're this tricky I think this is like a good level. I did want to be too easy, but these are also like some things I don't even believe happened somebody said I don't know if this is in purpose or nothing But I was also noticing that some of the questions were easier in the middle Oh Well, the the middle isn't very long Are we toward the end? We are toward the end Okay What what do you guys reckon I'm gonna go with the logic to myself and that's not because I think that's true I just I've got nothing else in terms of I I pitch him at like a Higher likelihood than the rest Yeah, let's uh, yeah, let's go for it. Let's see. All right Which videos featured on e-fap haven't been completed yet. There's multiple choice. Oh, it is. Okay. This one's worse All of the all of these are multiple choice. Yeah, we did not finish the rags video I we didn't finish the game of thrones genius of darkness video either. So that's the two Uh, we definitely finished the sjw moments Everything great about stars. I'm pretty sure we finished because I took two streams Why core is better the avatar than ang I'm almost certain we did that one as well Yeah, there you go pretty quick. Yep. Yeah, which of these lines was said by mohler There is something to consider as in the other option Don't be a Don't know what you're talking about Tell them I died as a beautiful woman Can't say that I'm your uncle. I'm actually beaut Which of these are so one of these were said by me I feel like it's the second one. I think it's the first one I'm pretty sure he said something like that before I I think I really think it's the first one If I was to go for one of these I probably would go for the first one But again, I could be wrong. It's hard to remember exactly what I've said These are fun questions because you're like, what did I say? Um Are we are we happy to go with the first one? Is everyone all right with that? I don't I do think no No, what do you reckon you? Who cares Oh, I don't know I really think it was the first one I'm fairly confident Well three against one, uh If it's wrong I was gonna say it's possible. It could be any of them. I wouldn't I don't think any of these is something I wouldn't say The correct answer is to leave it blank Oh M&M's or skittles if you want to move on skittles skittles, obviously. Oh m&m's of course. I was about to say M&M's yeah He both are both are we'll find out who's right or wrong about that one. We'll see the results Worth any points? So we're equally Which character did Shadavisti choose for most inconsistent in Star Wars episode nine right? I'm pretty sure he was no. No, I was about to say I thought he said Finn Yeah, he did say fan keep for keep forgetting who the one person is who agreed with me What did you say? There's only one person who agreed with me I said ray. I think I know there was one person. I think a couple of critical drinker The top votes of a Finn and Poe I think right now I'll check as soon as well once we've done the quiz. I'll check but uh, yeah, I think we're going with What do you mean the top foes? You're not supposed to be looking at the chat No, no I'm talking about I've got I've got a list of who people are voting for in terms of the uh inconsistency Question Gotta keep track of it. Otherwise what's the point? Um, when did downward thrust officially become tonal bloke? Oh my god I want to say episode 21 Because he's been tonaled for such a long time, but I think 30 would be too new Yeah, he didn't he didn't start off That way start off tonal. Yeah, it was it was 21. It was he was molded by the tonal It's gotta be 21. I think 21. Yeah, I remember that street. That was the one where he fucking he was talking about a child And he said a whole bunch of tizami shit. Yeah, we had to stop at like 12 times Was that the first time that Sloan old became a thing or was that possibly that's probably another question with having in the quiz What was rags first action in aliens colonial marines turning on his flashlight shooting? Yeah What was Mola's final rating of avengers end game in efap 33 Oh, oh that one that was um, I know you gave it a nine Oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure I gave it a nine subjectively. So it's the first one. Yeah, I think it's the first one I was the 9.5. I think All right, that was easy Because I was like I know I was crying like a fucking bitch But I knew that there could be something that comes along that's even more emotional for me Like shrek 5. Oh, yeah, so I'd have to save myself some room In case that ever happened if shrek 5 happens, I'll definitely be crying How about how long did it take the efap gang to cover extra credits 5 minutes 57 second videos? Stop normalizing nazi's socially conscious game design Oh I think it's two hours four minutes But the thing is is this counting so the moment we finish the video at what timecode are we at or is it from the moment? We started covering it does it it that wouldn't matter. Oh, we have How long we're our intros help you how long are our intros help you we have like half hour intros That would actually check look how close these answers are rags. You gotta consider how long my podcasts are Yeah, that's the fucking point of the question is the I know I think it's really long Yes, one and three are really similar So, yeah, the problem is between minutes apart one and four Yeah, you're not gonna differentiate between like 12 minutes or 30 minutes worth of time I don't think covering a whole video with how much we stop and we know you're right But this is the thing to at least try and figure it out. It's like do you think this question is accounting for an intro? Probably maybe I don't know No, if it if it is accounting for the intro like it's all included I'd probably go with two hours and four minutes myself If it's not including the intro I'd go with an We must have taken longer than an hour and a half we must have I think so too. I think it's happened between one or three I'd say go one. I'd say go long. I say long man. Good. I'm I'm okay with voting for one as well Yeah, one was kind of what I was looking at first. Yeah, I'd go with one Well, yeah, of course. It's what you looked at first. It was first on a list Well, it was the longest one fucking bird that that video sucked shit As of e-fab 49 which guest has been on e-fab for about one hour and 41 minutes Oh, fuck off. It's not 40. Um, he was on an almost full episode. I'm gonna say doom cock x-man, but he's not on here It's doom cock. Yeah, you're right. It's doom cock was only on the one Yeah, and he had to leave as well. He did had to leave. Yeah I was there You were it was my first appearance All right, we got it. Well, where did the adoption question originate? That would be the arrival debate. Yep Easy which of these people chose luke as the most inconsistent character in star was episode nine three points Well, it wasn't me. I feel I feel like that was act man I think if we can just figure out for his who's the one out of the four that didn't vote for Because I know I didn't so it's between the remaining four What you haven't voted no, I voted for uh finn I believe so I know I'm not the guy who voted for luke Means either Jeremy act man weekend war it Weekend war voted for luke. Did he or did he? I wasn't around for the act man one so maybe I was gonna say we can I'll just tick the four and we have to figure out which of these to un-tick Have we even had that star was girl on oh, she came on another the game of thrones finale discussion and she did vote during that Oh, okay, but I can't quite remember what everyone's votes were This may have to be a guess Oh, damn Who's all thinking like They're all checked except for you right now. Yeah, because I know I didn't vote for luke right So wait, it makes us think too hard. We're not that smart I mean, I don't know. I don't know Hardest ones always at the end of Jeremy. Yeah, I'm actually thinking did you I don't think Jeremy voted for luke So we should be all right with me. Should we just go with it? I'm happy to go with that Yeah, let's just go with it. All right. I think I I vaguely remember star wars girl voting for luke. Yeah Is spite about homecoming good Yes Meh here we go All right. Are your schools been recorded view it? How did we do? 21 out of 30 Wait, I got 16 out of 30 Oh No, no, we answered the same thing While copying the same answers I don't know which ones did we get wrong? Okay. So yeah, so the episode nine questions started in the Jurassic world stream, apparently It was not the other one with oh Yeah, I wasn't there for that one on me, uh, which the following is not a quote from rags. So The correct answer was how dare you shoot me. I'm a woman. You didn't say that Wow, I didn't say that. I thought that's what I certainly would have said That definitely sounded like something that you said well played quiz maker if this is true because I would believe he'd say that Wow, you know me better than I do I guess You know me better than I do too because I swear I thought the last one was a meat quote Where did the insult massive originate? It says the twitter the twitter argument. I don't think that's accurate Because uh, who will quiz the quiz makers This is the thing unless they can quote it in the actual Thread that someone made the joke of calling him a massive was the insult. I'd be wrong I'm almost certain it was one of you two that converted massive faggot into the offensive part was massive I could have sworn that was you two that did that I demand a fact checker I want to recount Boxes was the guest when massive faggot was officially shortened to massive What? My instincts were correct. I hate it. I feel like I have to watch all of efab again because I'm a bad fan at this point All right, we nailed that one because there was no wrong answer Nailed that one Yeah, the wrong answer was no wait Bayowins first drawing was kyle benn Just one was a creepy alien. I thought it was the creepy alien Yeah, I did too because I know the kyle been picture, but I thought oh, okay Is that right? I guess that Are we is our memory faulty? Um Okay, so we got the j one the next one right and the next one right and the next one right and the next one right Oh, man, we got a whole slew. You were right about the middle being the easy part Right, right, right. Ah, there you go. It was j longbone that said red apples equals communism Oh, fair enough. I really can't remember that at all. So All right. Sorry, nerder. We nailed that one. Which of these lines was said by moeller because you can't say that I'm your uncle Okay, I can believe it Really, I I could have Sworn you've said the first You never know these things M&M's or skills M&M's was the correct answer Maybe you said it in the video In a video on your channel that you did maybe or But because I could have sworn that somebody in a video said there are no other options Like in like in a discussion like it has to be this there are no other option You're like there is something to consider as in is like there's nothing to someone said There's like there's nothing to think about or consider There are no other options and you'd say like yeah, there is something to consider as in the other options Oh shad chose what those options were bad shows rey apparently not fin I was right Dun dun dun So that one right that one right listen to me. You see what happens when you don't listen to me You guys hear something. Oh, we were we we were wronged by the degree in which we said was probably gonna happen Because it was it was between one and three and we chose the wrong one out of the two But we were only off by like 12 minutes, which percentage wise is pretty close Correct, correct, correct. Does it have a point? Oh, yeah in spider-man homecoming being good. Yes is correct. I knew it Knew it. All right. We did it not the best score ever, but not bad considering, you know 21 out of 30 not bad and some of them may need to be You know fact-checked just saying not not not suggesting anything here since it's all good, but um That about does that Every history of every frame of pause quiz. That was this good shit I feel like this might encourage other people to make more of these and i'm not against doing them. They're kind of fun Yeah, I don't know where we should just fit them in exactly, but I like it Um episode 650 we're not gonna remember what happened on episode one I suppose we've kind of spoiled all of the answers now if you're watching that So I guess there's no point in linking this but i'm gonna link it regardless in the description of this video once It's re-uploaded because if I touch the live dashboard right now it like tisms out my internet So, oh no, I'm staying away from it. Also er is in our chat And he's uh, he's willing to drop by I can't actually click on his head Come on in e semi colon r. You have to knock out Critical drinker. I will remove Fuck you. So sorry What you get for being a filthy scott Hi Hitler raise. Yes. You say hi Hitler or hyal Hitler. There's a very big difference Seag hey me and Hitler on good terms. Oh Yeah Hey, how you doing? Hello. How are you? How was uh, how's hitler doing? Hey guys, you're buddies Go out and watch movies together. Holy fuck the lightning outside is insane That's your opinion Doing just great looks like er's eyes Close and stay forever into er's eyes I don't know We just got we've done with like every single picture meaning and quiz me. Oh, he doesn't hear anything He can't hear us Here man all this Oh, no, he can't hear us. You need to adjust All those loving comments and he heard none of them. Mm-hmm. We had to talk a piece of shit Let me just uh, I can't hear Quite frankly you disgust me I can't imagine the world will be any worse if you weren't in it Uh, I hope you get our crash and your ears get chopped off. Mr. Er. Can you hear us my dear? Oh, oh, yeah. Well, maybe hitler did do something wrong. How about that? Whoa Back it up. Maybe maybe he's the villain all along. You ever think about that? Maybe he isn't Okay Yeah, I guess what I think that's even wolf is like I'm not finding any solutions here guys. Oh, no. Yeah Uh, yeah, the brickwork at Auschwitz was shit. Yeah, what did what now? Did you try turning your computer? I don't think you can hear us We can't help try all of the things y'all you can do it. I believe in you Don't tell him I don't maybe say something text wise. Yeah Yeah, that was a good idea nice one Yeah, we got that confirmed No swearing this is a good christian leave server and you'll sell you got this stuff. Oh got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Oh my god Oh, all right. Yeah, can you hear us sir? I can hear you just fine. Why do you sound strange? There we go Because it's late at night and I've had a very busy day. Oh, no, I was talking about the microphone. Good Oh Calling from the bunker Yep, so you're saying that we are in your bed right now. What are you saying? Close enough. I mean, I've never tried to five somebody, you know, I've always wanted to fuck Always the first for everything Yeah, and and now the question becomes what in the world should we do we've got another hour before we can split for another stream so Then we got to make like a banana in split. I get it. Well The earlier suggestion we can ask a chat like one for a video and two for more me Oh, yeah, because we've got plenty of meme videos we could react to or do you want us to try and tackle a video? Let's see what chat seemed to say meme or video even though meme video, you know, you get what I'm saying One for meme two for video. Yeah, that's the easy way of doing it cool and three for the um For the manatee Three for the manatee, which you'll milk on the island. I'm seeing more twos than ones tasty Oh, oh some ones two ones two We uh, what was one and two again? I That two was two two was a video. Oh, okay. Oh, we got a lot of ones. I guess we should do a poll at this point Oh, yeah, okay. Sorry for wasting your time chat Sorry chat. It wasn't ubiquitously Unceremoniously Deppered actlessly obvious Do a straw pool Yeah, let's do that. Yeah, I'm set one up, buddy. I'm doing it right now. Keep the audience busy Keep your numbers together Come on. I'm wacky in the leban We're linemen All right, choose the thing meme that chat. Don't make us call you fredo video reactions Well, cack xd there you go. Mozambique You can't use the cack word. I did it and no one stopped me. No one could Did someone say did someone say cock? No, that would be offensive Don't cook Don't cook Oh Nearly there hang on chat just hanging there buddies. You can do it We're almost there. Who drew your uh, who drew the little dude, uh rags? Is it a meme or somebody do that? I'm gonna be robbed by Tony the tie. What? Who's uh Pikachu from out here What? What a response. I love it. Who did the what? No, your avatar was that it was that from a meme or did you? Yes, that is yes, not a man Pikachu did this Ah, unpeach. Now are there are there variations of everybody else? Uh, there's a variation of this with where with my big-ass cock just Flapping out on the floor there, but I can't show that one for yeah, I can't show that one with this score It's not my channel, but I do want to come back. Uh, I want I want to continue to be a guest Okay, cool. Cool. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah Actually, I get well. Hmm. Yeah, I do. Yeah It looks like the video reactions lel cack xd has the votes right now Yeah, we just went The pretty harsh split buck me dry missus video are we gonna watch and actually manage to complete in one hour Uh, well, we can go over one hour actually we're capped at 12 hours. It's just that it would be a nice round off So don't worry. Don't don't feel too don't feel too affected by I was actually gonna say We can totally cover a tonal video by the way I wanted to cover. Oh, yes. Did we cover the one where he screams? Oh, we could do that one too. I want to do both of them He's got the first video. I'm probably not gonna stay on for this whole time. So I would like to see the screaming one Okay, we can do that one first. Uh, just gotta find it It's been too long without tonal. I feel like I haven't had my daily dose of autism in quite a while You need a good old shot in the arm All right, this is the skittles poll over again. Well jay the the videos have it. All right J. Can't win all the time if you had the arrival debate. That's your one win for life I went all the time Yeah, Rags specifically went all the time. Can you name a single time? He's not one. I don't I didn't do nothing But winning I'm just like a win machine. W's everywhere that wonderful link If you have not already clicked it jump into this watch together and we shall Check out He's our good friend tonal gloke and he is you know what he's had enough. Wow You had enough. I knew this is this is the ugly truth behind ea fifa and live video game services These characters are like someone hit randomize on the sims Look at money Yeah He's black Jared Black That's not a good thing. I mean blaret. No, it's No black jared is basically just um jared from subway, but black So for context tonal tonal reserves himself As as a professional does they they they get the job done. They talk objectively about what is happening in the world You know what they went too far with fifa and so we're about to experience Full emotional unyielding elements of this wonderful content creator Being pure let's say that he's being pure. All right. Is everyone ready? Here we go The day was coming the day where games would make more money with micro transactions subscriptions were in game purchases then they would Selling their actual game. No Do we have him on Sloan older? Is this really just how he's talking? He's just talking this slow Also, I'm pretty sure it isn't gta 5 already crossed into that that it's micro transactions make more than the sales of its games I don't know his gta 5 video didn't make any sense. So Well, I Grand theft auto has been out for so long I was just gonna say like the question is did it fail? Oh, no Because this is his contention in this video is that fifa is now making more money from its micro transactions that it is From selling the game itself Which doesn't surprise me by the way. I was just like, yeah, okay People sell fucking shit tubs on the uh, the what is it like dream team shit making codpacks? I don't know. I don't know how a football works. What am I a scientist? Didn't know that that day would come so soon Because we know that the majority of people who buy games don't buy end game purchases or loot boxes A small minority does and those people don't account That was a weird pause It was a weird pause. I mean we are watching a total video. That's just a normal pause It's like only the small minority do not the majority and most people do not do it It's a case we missed the point. You got to be careful So great buy end game purchases in battlefield one where we replayed the clip like 11 times he had a battlefield one clip playing and we just couldn't figure out what he was saying Or no, we we knew what he was saying We were trying really hard to believe that it wasn't what he was saying We were giving him more benefit of the doubt than he honestly deserved. Yeah Bad games are not bad or something. We are nothing if not generous It was definitely stupider than that. It was it was a it was a complex stupidity. I swear Yeah These are loot boxes a small minority does And those people don't account for the greater population of sales. Well, that's This is a self-fulfilling statement. Say congratulations Yes, that is correct. Thank you for telling us this total minority Does not account I should be I should be gidelbing this. What was the statement? Back it up. All right, we want to make sure it's proper The gidelb man would be unhappy with me if I was to mishandle a quote from to Purchases or loot boxes a small minority does And those people don't account for the greater population of sales. Well So a small minority do not account for the greater population of sales No for the greater population of It's random pause is a fantastic Oh, that small minority of people is very lucrative into a game called FIFA As we now know that that game makes more money with its ultimate team packs than it does Selling the actual video game, which is absolutely crazy Whoa It's absolutely crazy, man By the way, just for context, I don't have the tweet, but I'm pretty sure he tweeted this video I was being like, sorry guys, I get really emotional with this one Chill the fuck out total Jesus. Happy worry of 2019. FIFA 19 has been estimated to have sold over 20 million copies This is the most emotion I've ever heard in his voice And I have seen almost every tonal video in existence. Doesn't it make sense great from the fart That his favorite game of all time is fucking FIFA FIFA is the one man, that that does make a strange kind of sense. Yes, like of course it is you robot $22 billion in sales 20 million copies You're telling me that's only a fraction a tiny fraction of what fiva ultimate team brings. Well, no No, it's not that it's a tiny fraction of what it brings in. It's that it's now making more money off microtransactions That's probably inevitable, right Yeah, like eventually Yeah, probably eventually especially if it's a game as a service that continues on and on and on Hmm I love that when tonal actually gets emotional his voice starts cracking and it sounds like he hasn't gone through puberty yet Like it also kind of sounds like he's got a stuffy nose He's not used to this guys. He's given him a chance his usual voice is like a farce and this is his real voice He just sounds like a little child trying to sell really emotional. They they fucked with his fiva He'll fuck with tonal's fiva I can't believe the only thing that would be better is if you liked madden Yeah, like so I'm trying to think what's the most like generic Fucking video game you could have a huge passion for like if you ever ever heard someone be like, ah fiva, man That's top of the line video gaming right there. You're like because people who like football fair enough in my fan FIFA Don't don't take offense to people in chat like fiva. It's okay to like fiva I just find it amusing that this is like peak gaming for him This is the one that broke tonal. I'm telling you for real I honestly didn't think this was real when I woke up and saw this article So I had you do your own digging god. That must be a shocker. It's a prize. You have to do your own digging for your video Yeah, you had to open up google In type I mean Who was she would let everybody else do all the digging for you and you just compile the information lazily and pass it off To But if he wouldn't have how could you imply that I pulled up the 10k annual report myself and I read the entire thing Whoa I didn't even read halfway through and stop like uh, can you can you like Roll it back like five seconds. This is his forte, right? This is this is was his job He was like an accountant or whatever didn't he say that in another video. So this makes sense This is in line with his law He seems intelligent And well, he sounds like he's about to cry Is it you guys that? Oh, okay. Let's pull it back I'm telling you for real. I honestly didn't think this was real when I woke up. I'm telling you for real I did not think this was real Okay, buddy, you know what it's real It's all this article So I had to do my own digging and I pulled up the 10k annual report myself And I read the entire thing and it is true. So let me spit some He really does sound like he's on the verge of crying. Did you did you hear that like waiver in his voice? Yeah Dude, they fucked with his fifa they fucked with his fifa drinking up with me I cannot But life of I believe that tonal is getting like on the verge of tears over fifa I'm so glad for something in the world. He's passionate about this. This might be the most poetic thing I think I've ever seen Some numbers that you guys that it will blow your mind as of today total umbrella of revenue under that umbrella 45 percent of it comes from live services That's 45 percent half of that number 45 percent is almost half Like yeah What happened to him saying a small tiny percentage early? That's the pulse I He was referring to a small percentage of people doing microchess actions. Was here. Yeah I think he said he said after he was talking about people contributing to more than almost more than half the revenue No, he said like I think he said something else like because I interjected Small minorities don't account for the greater population of sales Oh the thing 45 percent is almost 50 and 50 is almost 60 and 60 is more than half I think we need to slow like pull it back and slow an old that 45 percent is almost half I I do think I I don't know if this was anyone else. I might think i'm crazy But I know i'm not crazy So there must be I I just could have sworn that he Said a thing that he's saying something different now I was saying it's not I had that I thought I had a feeling and I read the entire thing And it is true So let me spit some numbers that you guys spit some numbers low your mind as of today total umbrella of revenue Under that you always slowed old works is because it really accentuates which words he pauses on and you're like Why is he pausing there? Yeah, the cracks in the pavement become mighty chasm. Yeah umbrella 45 percent of it Comes from live services That's almost half of that number ultimate team accounts for 28 percent What that number's on the rise In 2018 it was 21 percent. Okay 2017 it was 16 percent So over three years It's grown 12 percent All right, not Necessarily it's important to note that this is percentage of their total revenue. It's not direct profits being made off of the game So if they're losing money in other aspects or not making as much generally Then this might just can constitute a larger amount just a Difference that must be stated so that no one is confused Right, it's just that's just how the chunk of the total profit at ultimate team Is being accounted from fifa their number one game The rest falls into like I said subscriptions and game purchases lube boxes EA origin access Stuff like that 45 percent which is soon to be over 50 percent. I guarantee next year That is absolutely I can't believe there are people out there that have spent more than 1.2 billion All right, no one out there has spent 1.2 billion dollars. I don't know why he phrased it that way It's not one person. It's a lot of people. Yeah, it's not just the one dude one big whale Who would spend voting five times dude? I need to hear that billion Stuff like that 45 Which is soon to be over 50 percent Guarantee next year That is Absolutely crazy I can't believe there are people out. Oh god. Here we go. I have Spent More than 1.2 Oh Waiting for an explosion it was dazzling now that that was an epic gamer moment Total do you breathe life into me? I Just watch tonal videos to cure my depression it seems super Billion is way more than a billion from anyone a total billion. It's like a baker's dozen We look we let me say I hope he makes millions more videos. He's a fucking treasure I love him I want him to be successful on youtube just so we have more Excuses to watch this Packs We might have to put it to normal. I don't know how much I can take Right side mode in the game. Anyway, we have to assume it's either a kids with their mommy's credit cards He just he just ate kids with the mobby's credit cards totaled How could you oh my buying packs in the ultimate team mode? Which is a side mode in the game. Anyway, we have to assume it's either a kids with their mommy's credit cards So he was supposed to say it's either a kids with a credit, but it sounds like he said it's either eight kids with their Eight children must be found and brought to justice specifically eight of those fucking children I can't believe that eight children have spent 1.2 billion I think it's just a lot of normal people who just spend money on it. This is one of their money sinks I want to take that billion clip and make it my ringtone Which is a side mode in the game. Anyway, we have to assume it's either a kids with their mommy's credit cards Who don't understand the concept of well well money well money This is the thing that he always does. He does not he writes his script assuming He will enunciate properly or break it up properly, but then he just reads it all as once was like, uh, well, buddy You're like no no total no of well money. You don't sound human sound like a robot Well, yeah, well money. I think of like a bunch of money at the bottom of a well Yeah, it pulls up a bucket just a fence going for the leprechaun that the bottom of the well I also like the idea that if you play this back to him, he would just have a blank expression like yes There is no I detect no issue I cannot ascertain any problems with my speech patterns. I apologize for my emotional outburst during this particular video And you're like, that's okay We have to assume it's a kids with their mommy's credit cards who don't understand the concept of well money or of well money Well money. Am I sure I wrote the I love that every single video he makes is like this My I will seek maintenance at the mechanical institution Sports fans that must have everything right now these two groups of people These two groups of people Why do you talk this way? It's almost like he was gonna say a really nasty slur and he stopped himself and said groups of people these two People these massive groups of people The reason why this crap gets crammed inside video games Unnecessarily at every opportunity not just sports games. That's the best single player every game at every opportunity Not just sports games I think I think you covered that it is I get a point. It is getting prevalent in the only recently. Oh, yeah That's the only reason they do is because people buy it If you didn't buy it if if you if you there's a lot of people out there Who are just normies and they don't give a fuck about the industry about the health of the industry They don't care about the the aspects of the game and the mechanics They just want to play their stupid fucking soccer game And they'll spend they'll pour money into it so they can get their magic little shiny ass cards for it And that's why Everybody has to suffer because of fucking Derek playing his FIFA game He's got to have his shiny ronald o soccer man card Yeah, fuck you Derek. Fuck you Derek piece of I'm actually picturing an animation with this poor little chubby kid playing FIFA and you're in the background like fuck you Derek And he's like Derek you are one of the eight children. How do you feel why it's like it's like in um Uh the movie we saw um Uh the mexican one wait what oh scario Yeah scario, it's like scario They gotta lie the reason these drug these drug cartels never go away And they're only around because all the people who smoke crack Like if people didn't buy the product and use it and ruin their lives with it then these drug cartels wouldn't exist That's the big true true 1.2 We got to do that one more time when this Had the build up to that franchise games the infected who's orgasmic Great And also of all the examples you can pull for predatory Loot boxes and microtransactions shoved into games. This is honestly a terrible example I mean especially with the FIFA No, we're wolfenstein one. Oh wolfenstein, right? I mean with all the apex crap that's going on and with all of the stuff that There's way better examples than this game, which Is honestly get I think getting undue hate but the microtransaction in this game you'd forget they were there Well It did after his precious FIFA so nothing is off the table now I think Tonal just declared war on microtransactions As a side note we'll have to talk about that undue hate comment later rags Undue hate for this game. What do you feel about it? Well from everything I've seen it looks like a giant pile of garbage. Have you played it? No, all right Rags did a review. I think I think I think it's I think it's fine I mean I've seen a bunch of clips from like the campaign and like the dialogue from the characters. Oh, yeah, the dialogue is terrible Oh, yeah, the dialogue's terrible. The protagonists are awful. The plot is fucking nonsensical Fucking retard. I mean I I don't know anything about the gameplay of the gameplay if it's anything like the last game then I assume it'll probably be fine, but yeah, I like playing the game I don't know how to feel about like the Gorgeous making it into more of an rpg light. It's it's okay. It works fine. It's not like a huge deal it seems kind of like It's I don't know antithetical to Wolfenstein It kind of does fuck me depends on execution Um, I think that it's done well enough that it isn't an issue I'd prefer it not be in the game, but it's mostly inoffensive They're very generous with how quick you level up and what they give you for everything So it's not like you're grinding to try and get upgrade and stuff It's pretty much just a replacement for your character. Just get stronger over time I just kind of feel like it. I don't know If I It's really disenfranchised with the series after the new colossus. Yeah, the new colossus was yeah It's just such a shame because it's definitely a downturn for the series. Um new order was so good I even made a new blood the new blood wasn't or old blood rather. It wasn't a great game But it was at least entertaining that new colossus was just garbage Yeah, it was yeah, it sucks because like the the new order actually works as a standalone really well, so Kind of sucks that they decided to take it and Fuck it over Well, I would say if you're gonna if you're gonna have an incredible hate and vitriol Um, you probably better targets than young blood young blood's pretty offensive and or sorry inoffensive in the overall thing There are far more things that deserve your hatred. Do you mean like in terms of microtransactions or oh, yeah Well, yeah, just just in general I'd say I mean like right now apex is the big offended people hate respawn If you're gonna direct your hatred towards anyone respawn is fucking pre-marrow Numero uno targato right now I'm probably actually gonna. I was talking with people play apex, but But um, because we're a bunch of we're a bunch of fucking freeloaders. You see Um, I think i'm gonna make like a fucking respawn video Oh Because I fucking hate apex Yeah, what about the uh CEO that uh responded and apologized recently? Oh, fuck him Fuck him. All right. Mike really no like that. I don't his this and this disingenuous fucking garbage bullshit That he's gonna give out about oh, we just want to make a game with fair microtransactions and a good model for Yeah, fuck you asshole. This game's had broken microtransactions since day One and it's only become so egregious recently that people just can't contain itself It was a straw that broke the camel's back This game has always had shit microtransactions It's such shame because I love apex legends as a game play it all the time But you can't you can't support it. There's no way to really support it because you're getting fucking ripped off with everything So it's just I think it's just gonna die eventually because it's just it's too That's okay, honestly because the entire battle royale genre needs to die because it's garbage and terrible I don't I mean it depends. It depends on how it's done like pub g and apex legends play like two insanely different There's so different. Yeah pub g plays like a broken pile of shit Well, the hurt has gotten a lot better recently and I probably put about 200 or so hours into it I'm mostly liked it through I put like a couple hours into it This is a while back though And I mean the game ran like shit and the ping was horrible Yeah, yeah It used to be really rough Uh, it did get better over time, but yeah, it's definitely a rough game Remember when it came out for the xbox? Oh my god. Oh, yeah the xbox one x Can you play pub g at 4k? Oh I was at a friend's house a while back and he was playing it and it looked like a ps2 game It was terrible the textures wouldn't even load Exactly like the objects are like tarps everywhere Yeah, it looked horrible Yes chat. I did just say I agree though. I'm I'm sick to fucking death of the battle royale genre and I Like I'm dying for something with that'll stick with me for once. What do we have? Yeah, that's what I'm looking forward to ori in the will of the wisps and doom eternal cyberpunk Oh, I pre-read this other game Let me see. I don't remember what the name of it was But it looked really fucking cool death stranding is really strange as hell and I'm just I'm really curious Indivisible. I know I've got remnant on my list ion fury I'm gonna make a review for that which is what I want to done would have done and finished today But if happen Um, yeah, there's all sorts of crazy stuff coming. I got into a city builder game recently cliff empire Oh, you know, I've been playing sacro lately. That game is so cool It is pretty cool. It's pretty cool. I really liked it. I gotta out of worlds is coming out But it's a epic games tour exclusive, right? It doesn't mean you guys you guys should see it's a it's in relation to the quiz. We just did Oh, I consider it a beautiful piece of artistic-ness not autistic-ness artistic Hey, the growth is back No, make me beautiful. You're too talented to not make me beautiful Rags demand beauty horrible demented You look like you look like shift boy rd Oh Should we see what tonald has to say the end of his Watching a tonal video. Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes games. They infest single player games. They infest franchise games They infest all manner of titles Why why bother specifying two types if you're just gonna say all of them You're a special man. He's like I like that He's like making little pauses to breathe like they're taking Single player games and multiplayer games and everything else. I want to experience that in slow and old act I'm I'll I'll stick up for tonal here a little Yeah, I totally agree. I absolutely agree with the point. It's just just hilarious. Let's go say it's phrasing I'm fine with but just to get the point of cross single player. It happens to knives forks and cutlery All kinds of games. It's just to wrap it all up all the stuff. I didn't mention all those games I'm just trying to get we all know you're given you given tonal to pass because you're in love with him We all know it. No, I'm not video games This is a This is a professional courtesy and every opportunity not just sports games They infest single-player games They infest franchise games You could hear his individual breath By the way Franchise games and single-player games those are where it's franchise What do you mean by that? I guess games that have like They're in a franchise a lot of like like Like uh, okay, how many single-player games do I need to point out that are french? That's what I mean is a strange separation I'm a said Nissan That's weird. I don't know why but my brain said Nissan like that was super in franchise. They infested jeeps Yeah Toyota Honda Hyundai will now ship with microtransmitters. Oh my god steering wheels They they're here and they're going to do this I don't blame whatsoever As a business it makes complete sense that if people are willing to pay for something that you Put that crap inside your product a cracker crap It makes sense people are gonna pay for it to put crap inside your products He's not like a crack the drug. I already said the drug crack Would he be wrong if that was what he said? I don't think so. Oh, no, it works both ways. That sounds absolutely I don't think it's ethical though to do this to chase around litigation across really fast now Yeah, I put him to 0.75 Okay, I thought that he was like speeding through like doing a whole um movie bob thing I can't believe he's he's kind of nailing this though. It's like yeah, the problem isn't the legality. It's the Ethicacy so good job tunnel. That is actually what we typically discuss with this stuff It's not necessarily that they've broken a law, which is a problem or anything It's just the fact that they're operating within the law doing things that we consider to be Going a bit far and different which is good for the long-term health of the industry. Absolutely No, how is he going to How is he gonna mess up this point? I don't think that's the right thing to do morally But there is a business at stake here There is a customer that demands this product. They are willing to buy them So can you really blame them at the end of the rainbow? All right, I don't I don't understand that's supposed to mean Day You could have said at the end of the road at the end of the day Hey He was going for the end of the road, but then he messed it up and kept it I have a theory. I have a theory and it goes as such All right There he is tonal is an epic gamer. Okay, we all know He writes up in mario kart. What's the last level on every mario kart game rainbow fucking road Rainbow fucking road tonal was thinking about rainbow motherfucking road in his head And so instead of putting down a road he put down rainbow You know what would make him short sick if you show him one of those rainbows as a circle He'd be like what the fuck Where's the end to this rainbow We got some rainbow milks in chat and I've got rainbow milk. What the fuck man So What was the thing he said the last time you guys covered him that was really odd Uh, the wheels got to keep turn I was gonna say well, he'd be more specific. He says a lot of weird shit Well, well, I feel like the last time you guys covered him. I wasn't there for that Uh, he said something to the in the same vein as this at the end of the rainbow like a phrase that you understand Oh, uh, twiddling your fingers Oh, yeah The he You're sort of that you can tell this is a totalism because he's just put a word in that's not supposed to be there A totalism. I want to I want to listen to it one more time and slow it old right There is a customer that demands this pride They're willing Totally killing your rainbow So can you really blame the end of the rainbow? What a piece of Some people are saying in fairness you have the whole there's a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow Look at the way he just used it. He's absolutely supposed to be saying at the end of the day But he says at the end of the fucking rainbow What Damn it my rainbow road hypothesis might not be correct. It is absolutely a totalism He's combined like two different sayings without realizing it. He just thinks it works twiddling his fucking fingers It would have worked if he didn't construct it like that If no one is willing to stop them if there's no laws in place to do so They have the incentive to keep doing it Especially when you consider this small tidbit that I hunted down, which is that their net bookings Which is another word for sales or net income for these particular products is down $236 million from last year at this very date. So what are they doing? They're relying on their most popular game to carry them to the finish line while their other products Perhaps are suffering in the digital sales department. So if the players this is exactly why this crap will never go away Yeah, there's no finish with anyone. Yeah, I know finish line It's just they're just gonna keep that gravy train rolling as long as I can. Yeah, it's all middle. They can Yeah, it's not like a business is like I don't want to make a million dollars. We're closing up shop You know, I'm just saying at the end of the fucking rainbow. Like what do you really expect? Bayowin said he said small tidbit Of course, Bayowin would notice I Lying on their most popular game to carry them to the finish line while their other products Perhaps are suffering in the digital sales department. So FIFA players. This is exactly why this crap will never go away Ever any lapse delay or failure in our ability to provide high quality live service content to consumers over an extended period of time Could materially and adversely affect our financial results consumer engagement with our lives What was the first one could materially and adversely Materially and adversely. Okay, that first one's odd, but all right And cause harm to our reputation and brand Oh my god, they are on planet mars I never thought the day would come where I would hear tonal doing the fake youtuber laugh I know How robotically he insulted them like they are on planet mars You're like, it's literally like data got an experimental chip for his robot brain He's walking around saying weird stuff that isn't quite right Right, I agree captain. That is crazy as if it's from planet mars But man, they are on planet mars. Oh wait. He said it twice. Oh, he said it twice and that was it Wait, we have to why are you sure we didn't just in hand? That was it in hand That weeds They are planet mars Mars If this is all they care about man They are Planet mars Subscribe It's like it's like Like a subconscious. Uh, what was it called? Um subliminal messaging. Yeah Subscribe Thank you, tonal. He's you know what sometimes you think like oh, we're gonna cover a tonal video Will it you know provide us the memes that we we wish for and it doesn't fail It never fails. It is the dude's a gold mine. He's amazing. I love this bad There's not a single video. He's made that isn't perfect Tonal, we love you here. I we love you 1.2 We love you I was wondering where you were going with the 1.2 for yeah, for a second. All right for god. I was like, where's it going? Bill. Yeah, like a fuck 1.2. I thought it was like it was like, oh, look, it's a beyond number. That's cute. Um Yeah, I suppose, um I just I just added because there was there was actually a super chat that says I think something on the lines a while ago That uh, james moor should pop in episode 50. I've given him an invite to this group. Oh, there he is Fucking paid for it. Mr. James moor. How'd you bill gates? It all makes sense Let's go Howdy God Hey, how you doing? Hi is oh, yeah, yeah me too We tired of your boys. I just fucking popped my monster right now Have you fucked your monster? No, I just popped one right now. That's my first one. Oh energy drink, right? Yeah, I was gonna say three years. Oh my god. Are we driving you to drink? No How how much of the stream of had you been have you have you when did you join us? I missed the first two hours I haven't actually cracked open any energy stuff yet. I've got a little prepped in case I'm still wired, but I've got another eight hours I had one, but I got three more. I I went and got some I gotta be careful because if I have them too early the come down will push me into like super sleep modes before we're done So I gotta aim to I want to start them about five hours before I think we're ending my name to keep going, you know Gosh darn it. I don't plan on going to bed I'm going straight to work after this Oh, man Don't let efeb do this to you There's some this is the sad pause. I don't know how many people in in the chat will have been We've been here for the full 24. Um I know I know a whole bunch of honestly, but there's gonna be a bunch of people who did it And I will will will not even know their names will not even know they But I will never know the name of The best smuggler except we do and his name's Han Solo. No, he was the general He was the general of all the smugglers in the army. He's the army general general smuggler He smuggled he couldn't he could smuggle entire armies Um, I was actually gonna say since I think I think it makes sense. There was a video I always wanted to cover out of curiosity from I believe it was just right Oh, um, and and I just I don't know it just it seems to line up and it's not necessarily a bad video It'll just be interesting as a sort of vehicle. Uh, it relates to A little little thing because I know I know I know we all have had difficulties with just right It was called what we can learn from legend of kora What can we learn? Yeah, well, this is the thing. It could be a trick It's the it's the kind of thing where it's like we could learn from like I could have made a video called What we can learn from tlj, you know what I mean? I'm almost positive actually that this is a pretty positive kora video What do you mean? I've watched it if it is about kora before. I don't know if it's this one I think I've watched this video in the past and Disagreed with it. Well, I'm excited then Shouldn't shouldn't this be capitalized for the period at the end Oh, we're up and making two another one of these things also, uh, james if you want to join us Uh, if you scroll up in the in the chat, you can find a link to the watch together That'll jump you right in if if you're interested of course Yeah, I'm in all right now. I haven't uh, I haven't seen kora, but thankfully we have a kora expert I was about to say I'm just gonna relegate this If we got experts in here, we'll enjoy the commentary from because I don't fucking know what the shit is It's like a show for kids or whatever some space wizards. I don't know. I saw I saw the original avatar just not kora Good keep it that way don't ever watch anything else. Yeah, the things are getting weird around kora I couldn't really do I dropped out like halfway through season two. It was horrible same same You guys on true fans then I'm perfectly fine with that. I was about to say just agree with me. It's okay You're not a fanatic. It's fine Whenever someone asks me why I love the legend of kora. It's a good question. Holy fuck. He loves the legend of kora Oh, no What did you do justy? What's his real name? I shouldn't call him justy Justy, I think his name is I think is just right. He says it with the double. We should call him whitey. Justin right. That could be it Justin right the papyrus. Don't use papyrus. Whenever someone asks me why I love the legend of kora I tell them because it is a show about that's something. I just ask you Stop putting words on the screen. We've had enough of that for this whole stream. We can't do it anymore It's what does that say big idiot big idiot? He's an ancient scholar big idiot The problem with papyrus you have to put a double space between the words for it to be legible Oh, fuck, right. His name is sage. I forgot his sagacity I totally was sage Sage had been if we put his name is literally sage Yeah, sage haden Sage hide it in it Is it hated or hide it? I forget if it was a y or a it doesn't matter I thought it was hating because I could be wrong. I should be talking about big idiots big idiots This is gonna be memes for big idiots already It is me. It is I big idiot kora scholar. Someone already put in big idiot's baggins I imagined big idiot's baggins Down syndrome he sounds so real big idiots Guys, this is a serious video. We have to We can't spend all this time talking about big idiots. Okay. Yes. Someone can Someone in the chat. I'm sure someone will know there's this video made by these like down syndrome people On youtube. Okay. There is like this. There's one chick who's like What's going on here? And then there's like this turn around from like one of the down syndromey dudes before another one's like it's backfist Yeah, he doesn't pronounce The the retard that turns around like photoshop his face on the bilbo and that'll be big idiot's I'm sure I'm sure someone will know big idiot's can slot right into efab law Like he could be one of the first people to note the adventures of goliath and Fucking just everything about the wheel big idiot He'll be the holy The scholar of the first chicken Scholar the first oh, I gotta answer this wolf. What do you think of tool's new song for your inoculum? It's fucking great Everyone listened to tool are amazing I haven't listened to a band in a long time. A lot of it is video game. Have you listened to anything by big idiot's Well, big idiot's has proven to us that the story and the legend of the cosmic chicken is always moving Yeah, he's he's created the first second third and eighth testaments He skipped a few one might even say that the legend of the great cosmic chicken is poultry in motion I I appreciate that I get it golf club. That's you know, it's yeah, I think that was uh, okay. Well, let's back to big idiot back to big idiot They show about big ideas big idiot. It's about a gout big idiot. Terrionism terrorism Theocracy anarchy freedom fascism all villains d just to name a few I'm sure that all of these ideas were presented really well and nailed in terms of their meaning and what they mean for society Yeah, all from villainous standpoint. So that kind of colors it a little bit Just a bit And even though it is allegedly a children's cartoon it deals with these allegedly This is the picture of big idiot's being allegedly also known as biggest dickest biggest Themes in a highly sophisticated way You see most great stories when you get down to the core of what they're saying operate exactly like essays Whole stories operate like assays. All right I would say that a story is like an essay in action It's a big claim cotton. Let's see how it pans out In fact, I describe a story as an essay in action That's because both stories and essays are about presenting an idea. No No, no, no, no, no, no Well, I guess the idea They can be is Try to present like a world and characters as true to believe in Well, the thing is like if you want your story to present an idea as in I don't know fascism bad So let's go with that one for simplicity sake You could also just run a story and someone could be like, ah, so your idea was fascism bad And you just look at them like no, I just wanted to make a story about this awesome character who lives in this society That's uh difficult for him to operate and you know like I'm sorry, but why why did he put his like 37 spaces between story and essay because he ain't doing big idiots again They say papyrus anymore Yeah, even Theo said that's a fucking reach my man. Oh Present an idea is true. I think what well, what if they're just asking the question Well, so this is presenting the the the idea. This is the problem with interpretation as well Yeah, exactly when people are like game of thrones seasons eight episode five Daenerys fucking obliterates everything and she wins king's landing So they're saying we should burn people in order to save them. It's like no It's like, oh well well She saves the city by killing everybody isn't that what the story is saying? It's like, yeah. No, I don't Just because uh events take place. It doesn't necessarily mean they're absolutely justified as the best thing to do in the circumstance. So What i'm trying to say is story stories have things happen in them and to then conclude the story is saying those ideas are true or good Well, something like that is like that's you need more evidence for that like actual characters trying to support it or um The opposite being presented as inaccurate That's what I think he might be going for That a character within the universe Or that the story itself would present the idea is true in the universe, but not necessarily true out here Like what is the what is Think about movies where you would just scratch your head and say what idea here is being presented as true Like what is like dual Spielberg's first movie. What is the idea that's being presented as true? You'll find John wit someone will be able to go. It's an interesting one. What would people say is Don't fuck with pets Don't kill yeah And if the idea presented is don't kill dogs your history will always catch up to you. There you go You can do this forever everyone can even if the author was like no, there is no point I just wanted some badass like no I can see a point in your story and your ideas were presented as true with supporting evidence. You're like, uh It's like what if you come there are no doubt stories that are designed to simply ask questions about the way you view the Then make you question the way that you do see the world or maybe try to Color your perception in a more sophisticated way or portray things as not quite as black and white as you might think that they are These are things that are purely presenting Not an idea is true But asking questions are relying on interpretation While an essay is almost it absolutely like essays are constructed of i'm going to prove a point is true Or at least present all of my evidence for one I mean if you have 10 people and you talk to them about what is what did x makina Teach you what what idea did it did that movie present as true? You might get 10 different answers Oh, absolutely our arrival god forbid We discovered that what idea was presented as true But what was the point of arrivals thing that that wasn't being presented as true It depends on who you ask I guess people are getting um Uh upset that like am I am I not ending when we've reached the eight hour? We're gonna push it past It's all right. Apparently the cap is 12. We cannot we absolutely cannot go past 12 We'll go as far as whatever this video leads to and then I will cut it This is the middle portion Thus the longest portion as we are aware the middle has to be the longest For the for the sake of four equal sections Do we need to cut it here and then just do it in the four sections? Well, there's only three sections Three hours eight 60 24 so it seems yes, so it seems so this one Let's say this one goes to 10 hours. Then the final pot will be six hours Okay, it'll all work out. Don't worry. We'll be fine six hours of superchats So I'm gonna have to I might have to stay awake beyond the 24 hours just to read them It's gonna be fun. I have energy drinks. It'll be fine I've got three as well, and I've already had more alcohol Parade see disc discredit opposing positions stories don't necessarily do that whatsoever. They can support one idea Yes chat. I know 24 divided by three is eight. I thought it was six I thought we were doing six section six hour sections And then he said then I was like, oh, yeah, that's right. We're in fairness to rags. That was the original plan actually Yes Sorry, so I may have fumbled my words there So discredit opposing positions to the idea that a story presents one side is great And then it's go. This is the other side. Look how stupid they are Some stories will present two sides that are both equally valid or at least have pragmatic slash altruistic elements to them We've just talking about civil war in the in the first third Totally tries to argue that both sides have credit and discredit But then there are also stories. They're like this side is great You're like, what about the opposing side and they're like, hmm What opposing sign? No, mind anyway moving on and you're like, oh, they didn't even talk about it This is the problem with trying to Talk about because like what someone would probably say is a good or bad assay is ones that do or do not Um discredit like the idea that you go It is just simply true that everyone drives a car And you're like, you're gonna talk about the people who don't like no like that would be a shit assay But a story could do that and still be of interest like a world where everyone drives cars I don't you get probably what I mean. There's a difference between stories and essays as far as I'm considered I think we're all agreed Yeah, I'm there Positions but to understand the way that kora does it we have to talk about a 19th century german philosopher. He's a fucking christ Yes, we do What is that cool? I have to talk about some fucking philosopher We're writing that one down. Let's go in and get down. There was this exact same fucking shit as uh What was it? Karl Marx was the last one we came across this with Yeah, er, uh, so it right in the middle Right in the middle of a brown table video. He's like, um, I enjoy good art. I can just dislike bad art Uh, art is subjective, but art can also be bad. This brings me to Karl's Marx. He's just like wait, what? Wait, wait, wait, I want to go with you on that one Uh, yeah, how did he jump here to talk about a 19th century german philosopher 19th century german Why was his last name a different font than the rest of his name? That really irritates the shit out of me Human Boss I gotta get all this down accurately guys. You know how gadelb is like he lost the font and forgot what it was Didn't bother looking under font dot com for it Um he wants For arguing that good ideas can come from unexpected places Including our most hated enemies according to haggle human civilization. Wow, you came over that all on his own Huh? What a wise man. I think Theo wants in on this because Theo's got uh, but I was gonna say what Who who I don't want to I don't want to uh, that that's fine. I can jump out Um, are you a tired man? I am a tired man Okay, I mean, you know, I just completely up to you. Um I was gonna say it's it's you you've been uh trying to keep track of these streams in some way shape or form Right, I was just gonna say this so the people know that you've seen um You'll see the meme videos that involve you and stuff If we get to you mean on this stream or if I cover them in in in the third part you you'll end up seeing them I I think all I'm saying is that people probably would love to know that you uh Get to see all the all the stuff. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I've been lucidly what or Lucidly loosely watching them. Uh, you could like send me uh timestamp or whatever and I'll Get to them later Um, like what's there? Oh, yeah, definitely. I'll let you know and I'm glad you got you got in for the quiz. It was good shit. Mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah, I'm I'm uh Personally, I'm just really super happy to have you here and it was great to talk to you and I think many are hope Hope everything is uh, hope everything goes great. Yeah. It was it was nice coming on 50 Very good chat went wild when you showed up, buddy I couldn't see it because he told me I wasn't allowed Well, go watch the replay. You check them out going nuts. That's great All right, I suppose I'll have to do that. But yeah, I'm gonna jump off here. Got a bunch of stuff Got to do tomorrow. I adopted a cat or kitten yesterday. He's extremely high maintenance Excellent. Yeah, of all of all the cats of all the like 80 cats at this animal shelter I managed to pick the one that has a sinus infection. So And So I had to take him to the vet this morning and He'll be fine. I just like he's like really small and he can't breathe very well because of it And it's like keep going down to check on him. Like, you're not you're not dead yet, right? That'd be really depressing Don't die Yeah, gotta take care of him got people trying to look at my car as a whole Stupid piece of shit car soon Yeah Oh Probably won't be on for a while because I gotta Go do some stuff But Yeah, it was Awesome, haven't you? Yeah for the first time. Yeah, shit. Yeah, man Yeah It was nice seeing you guys and I'll catch you some of a time Yeah, we'll catch you later Love you wolfie Yeah, whenever philosophers are mentioned Goal Theo happens to have all the information we could ever need about them. Um I'll drop Fucking capping me at 10 is the most annoying thing Dun dun dun dun dun Also, I'm gonna switch devices real quick. Very well I wish I had all the information you could ever need. I don't know about that Theo literally knows everything and if ever he doesn't come through on that he's lied to us. All right, everyone great Oh, shit All right, cool. Oh, so Theo, what do you know about fucking? What was it the 16th century for some shit? It's haical. I know bits and pieces. I can't say I have you strong knowledge on you Have you got access to the the horch together? Uh I can't look all these links. I'm gonna dig it up. Yeah I'll try it there We'll draw it back and we'll get all the information we need Um, there is six of us and only five names. I don't know if this is because somebody is I think it might be james more. I don't know. It'll be there's six now. Excellent Let's draw it back and learn Beans draw back even more 40 seconds credit opposing position but to understand the way that We have to talk about it. Oh, it's james. Oh james. Your your microphone is your computer playback James with that 19th Do you think james? Did I boot him? James your your volume, uh, you're we can hear your computer through your microphone If you can do the push to talk singing that probably James I advise you to fix your shit. I think he said he was going to switch devices. He might not be the He might have switched to a sound card games. He might have pooh poohed games Yeah, I will I I cannot mute him for everyone. Well, I was gonna say I can I can give him the old boot arena. I guess Oh, you perished you killed a Tism bullshit Another famous. Oh, yeah, is there anything you wanted to talk about with with this thing theo? Little story versus assay thing uh, I guess all I'd say on that point is Uh, the intent of an essay is fairly simply just to convey literal meaning. That's all it really wants to do Primarily, so all ambition is to convey convey what I was trying to say Uh, there's a story that's you know a lot more going on There's a lot more layers of uh, I guess meaning there's different kinds of meaning being used metaphorical poetic and such like So, yeah, would you say that an essay is more objective? I mean shit, maybe yeah, because it's a lot less I didn't know you were racist flower. Uh, neither did I today Something new Erday Positions but to understand the way that cora does it we have to talk about a 19th century We have to do is George Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel You're right. Why the hell did he change the fucking format right at the end? Why why would you do this? That you understand that his last guess is everyone knows Every we have to talk about Hegel to understand cora Yeah Well, yeah, er, how many times do you specifically reference Hegel in your works discussing cora? I'm sure it's all It's not really a necessity. I don't know. It sounds like a lie to me. Each of the intro is like so Hegel I was watching through those, uh, your cora videos. I was like, where's the Hegel though? Man, just get to the point. It was the main thing that was amazing Johann Friedrich Begel, why does justry feel the need to do this? I don't think I've ever responded positively to going on the internet watching a video essay and having someone try and rope in a Philosopher, this is the thing. This is the what are the video essay trips? We could actually have someone build a bingo card for like video essay trips We could start running it whenever we go for a video essay. You'd obviously have to have a random random reference to a philosopher out of Fucking nowhere Um words on the screen like almost appears at randomly strange pauses Uh a lot of like so buzzwords. So I guess you could have these be separate things but like um meta narrative Um writing a pretentious book perhaps Oh, yeah, like didn't just write like cite like uh some sort of Philosophy book or some shit at one point I think so that sounds familiar and is I think it's just to kill jade video Uh, this is the thing people probably hopes of obviously the soft essay voice The the crappy music like it's usually piano often piano it could be like Chill chill chill hop chill hop is one of the ones that people have the low low five beats to study artsy filter As jade just had artsy filter. That's another one. Um artsy filter blur. Don't forget the blur the blur thus That's a that's a brown table original. I think There's a reason no one uses it But uh, yeah, you could there's a we're gonna get a whole bunch of uh submissions for that I would imagine but there's so many more so to anybody who wants to make it take your time Make it great and we'll totally consider using it in future Whatever we hit any video essay because that should be funny If we get a we'll probably we might get a lot of really good ones We might combine them into one super amazing bingo table We need to be so awesome if you download a different one for each e-fap And if you could like download it as an an app that I can like bring on screens You know like same as like a calculator sort of thing, but I can just click and it'll like cross out the box For the relevant bingo card. Yeah, you could just make it an image and like gemper paint and then just Mark it. Yeah, um when people just quote someone else And act like the fact someone else has said it means it's true. Yeah, we had a lot of that with alan Alan said this like okay if alan said it. I don't know Yeah, well me hi cheek sent me hi Oh my god, it is it's very fitting that this is the episode we have so many fucking throwback references like oh Look how far we've come so many fucking tisms Who knows what tisms he will have tomorrow also known as well. Fuck. We'll be here tomorrow. Yep. Well, it is my tomorrow I will tomorrow. Oh, it is fucking already. It's 12 41. Jesus Christ. It's already tomorrow. I have to poo. I'll be back. Okay You know when nature calls is nothing you It's because it's tomorrow you see One poop per day for rags. You've got to get it in I'm I feel like it's a lot of fun to actually uh Figure out what else there is to it. We've covered. I think all of the main ones like the really memorable ones Oh, I guess you can count the titles and the thumbnails So like the title what writers should learn from legend of kora. That's totally fucking click um, and then I guess there's a lot of different kinds of I'm trying to think of clickbait thumbnails I mean, I don't think just right does clickbait thumbnails. You'd be right on that Get hit with that uh His thumbnails seem fine Just then you get into the video and he brings in hakel and you get worried So, uh, I will uh make sure wolf sees this if he doesn't see it through the stream, but uh That would be the the wolf vision of the the one rags has already got us is um Fp awesome. I'm I'm now I'm now assuming I get one too or am I just not cool enough? I don't know Okay, you're not adorable enough. I was about to say mask man. Do you make a scary mask man adorable? Can you make a long man adorable? I don't know Over eight hours mola. I know I know we're gonna we're gonna push it as far as it needs to for this video It's gonna nice and complete. This is to go even further beyond And who knows how long path three will be maybe 24 hours. You don't know you don't know All right, let's see what hagel had to say And he is known for arguing that good ideas can come from unexpected places including our most hated enemies You really needed hagel to say that you can learn shit from bad people Okay Is he going for the is he going for hagel's dialectic? Is that what he's doing? Why would you even ask that question just right doesn't know the answer to that I guess he's probably just did a scroll of a Wikipedia page. That's my guess I'm starting to think he has an idea of some kind and then he just googles it and then plus the word philosopher He's like, oh shit. This guy said it Neat, so their word must be true and I must be smart for finding it According to hagel human civilization progresses by swinging from one extreme position to another until an equilibrium is reached He uses this way of thinking in his writing style as a way of reaching the truth by exploring both sides of an idea It's what's called the hagelian dialectic. Oh, there you go. It doesn't know what it is Ah, Korra, please Don't even wait. This is totally relevant to Korra. Okay And it has three parts first it presents a thesis an idea Then it presents the opposite of that idea or the anti thesis and no the antithesis. That's the cool way of saying that Anti thesis was a Tithesis the tension created by these two ideas leads to a new understanding or synthesis The important part to remember here is that unlike the essays you probably I mean I like that he's making fun of it But it's kind of how his videos feel just If he's called just right If memory serving that's Very much a big oversimplification of the hagelian dialectic But I guess because he wants to squeeze it into the video. So I don't want to give it too much time And somehow related to Korra. We're getting there. I'm sure of it. Korra's coming in any second. It's necessary to understand it Oh, god He wrote for school where you present an idea and the proof behind it in the hagelian dialectic There is a transformation of the original idea and that brings us back to the legion of Korra. There we go As the avatar Korra finds it too long She doesn't but okay I do just want to point out that's about one minutes 45 and yeah hagel said this goodbye Oh, yeah, you'll kill you'll probably come back to the end. That's that's how they do this, right? You'll be like and you'll say a bunch of shit about korra and then go and that's really what hagel was trying to explore in his book Yeah, that seems like a fair guess the hagelian dialectic There is a transformation of the original idea and that brings us back to the legend of korra as the avatar Korra fights to maintain balance in the world and each season She is confronted with an antagonist who disrupts this balance and tries to maintain So I already go from what I've seen in the os videos. I don't know about that She seems pretty disruptive Yeah Yeah out of all the people I think korra has made the biggest dent Not these guys These guys are the innocent people An antagonist who is representative of a particular ideal The quality is gonna do this My mind definitely wasn't about quality. I can tell you that And why is that have to be a massive hypocrite? Well, that's because he's a bad guy, but you can't that's his point. He may have been bad, but his idea wasn't so bad Right, you speak Yeah, yeah, it was fake I mean, I can't actually add to this. I haven't seen it, but I'm gonna go ahead and assume that you guys are right Yeah, I'm gonna see where he's going with this In other words, Korra is the thesis in this equation and they represent the antithesis The critical part of all this however Is that the legend of korra makes sure to give each of its villains some sort of ideological merit They are not all pure must-ash twirling evil people like the fire lordy. I know he was tremendously better Ooh, I was gonna say that shot's fired. Also, um I like that he establishes korra's the thesis like does she actually Think about any of these issues in any larger aspect than that person's bad stop them No I mean if she's the thesis and isn't she against equality? Apparently Yeah Or is it two sides of the coin of equality or some shit like the idea like if she has different ideas on equality to the bad man Not really 100 clear on that one. We'll reach that synthesis about this you know one so Pushing back and forth. I guess the synthesis is when the show tries to tell us that korra's learned from That particular season Which she never really learned The funny thing is that this sounds pretty complicated involving the the german philosopher plus the those four very large ideas And and trying to combine it all and explain how she's the the thesis to their antithesis that leads to a synthesis like seven and a half minutes Bloody hell me. You're gonna have to crush this Those are the deeper concepts, but all right. Yeah, if you could do is representative of a particular ideology In other words, korra is the thesis in this equation and they represent. Oh, yeah. Yeah the wolf one. Yeah, we Through it on can we put that up? Oh, yeah, I did It's so good. Oh my gosh. It's so cute. So cute The antithesis the critical part of all this however is that the legend of korra makes sure to give each of its villains some sort of Ideological merit. They are not all pure must-ash twirling evil people like the fire lord is in the show's predecessor series the last airbender Well vatu is since he is literally the manifestation of evil But otherwise the show remembers the synthesis step It synthesizes the good parts of their ideas into the world of the show when the show ends Benders and non-benders are equals the spirit world is reconnected to the physical world Hereditary monarchs are going away and there is peace and order all four villains can claim a victory in this regard In other words, the world of the story itself has a character arc in season four Well, I know How dare you challenge that seems very reasonable to me I mean, they don't even they don't even explore most of this stuff like benders, which is non-benders being equal Not even remotely brought up It's just pay to have us to book one. Yeah again, I've got a problem at the start of season one and then Never really show it. They show it once to show pay Look, this is the problem of this particular arc and then completely ignore that that needs to be a recurrent thing For the villain to have any kind of point Yep Also, yes, uh, I was gonna say it's not happened as of right now But uh, you might be making some strange noises every once in a while. Yeah, is there any, uh Any possible way to Unplug and reach try to fix that. Hmm I think it's just me basically I do want to bring up quickly remember an avatar didn't have the literal manifestation of evil in it That's a carpet. Yeah Yeah, who doesn't love the carpets I remember when it was more than a christ and an anti christ I think it's it's it's it's for kids. Okay. It's for kids It wasn't me That was that was made for adults because it was better And order all four villains can claim a victory in this regard in other words the world of the story itself I haven't even seen this and that seems like a very It's just right. So we already know that this is like Don't trust you Germany. So in a way hitler won Funny because Kuvira the villain of the fourth arc is just hitler She just is Well, yeah, I described her as the she she's promoting fascism. Is that is that what's going on there? I haven't seen She's basically just hitler in almost the precise same circumstances hitler during his rise to power Oh, so it's justified Incorrect. It's hilarious. How on the nose the comparison is Richter arc in season four tof basically gives kora a lecture on hegellian philosophy Encouraging her I don't remember that bit hegellian philosophy I don't remember tof to be a character for that kind of thing either Yeah Is hegel in this universe the german philosophy pretty sure Heger sure to learn from her adversaries You ever consider maybe you could learn something from them. Oh, wow. That's pretty blatant But you can learn something from other people. Wow. That's hegellian philosophy Not something that like toddlers know Dude bad people never have any good ideas. All right This is this is evil the evil The problem was those guys were totally out of balance and they took their ideologies too far By analyzing radical price. That's a really baby way of looking at it They had some good ideas that they did bad with them. They took their ideas too far He's like, well, do you think this guy with the demon behind him and the glow your red eyes can teach you How to fucking summon cool ass demons absolute Or anything else to him. That's just sounds like that's him Stop to finish Kind of looks kind of just wants to destroy the world And they took their ideologies. Well, you should destroy the world in moderation By analyzing the merits and flaws of her antagonists Cora is able to arrive at the overarching thesis of the show that the ends do not Justify the means and that no one ideology has all the answers This is what makes to show a truly centrism does She's an she's an extreme centrist Ecology has all the answers this is what makes to show a truly contest talking to children You can see this strategy at play in a less political way when Cora deals with post traumatic stress disorder Her anxieties are visually presented as a shadowy version of herself thesis antithesis Only when she confronts and accepts her situation thesis antithesis. Yep. What? No, no, that's not how that works at all Reaching antitha reaching It's like I would say antagonistic force sure an antagonistic concept not antithesis Oh, it starts with ant. It must be the same thing Also, I don't like he's trying to get really abstract with it. I gotta use those callbacks, man Cora post-traumatic stress disorder thing is kind of bullshit as well because they they kind of just suddenly decide The consequences need to be a thing and that she needs to you know Have issues Yeah How does she get out of it? Don't they don't the old avatars just show up and just give her all her shit back and say it's all No, that was That shit's so funny God No, it's not so much grammar bad man. It's like just using the wrong word for the wrong concept What I mean, he's totally reaching because he's trying to In in very much the style of a video assayist trying to bring everything together desperately So it's like if it to be like the philosopher I mentioned early because you're not gonna get halfway through video realized. Oh wait, I'm grasping straws I'd better restart my video and start to get fuck. No just reach and make it all Gailing in philosophy the last thing we need now is this is a scene where she's jumping And he's like an attempt to use upward force in relation to gravity preventing her from doing so thesis antithesis Like what he's like. Hey big sense and the directional notion synthesis. There you go Instead of avoiding it as she has been is she able to overcome this mental block synthesis I see so many stories where the opponent is Irredeemably evil where the hero has nothing of substance to learn from them and that makes for a stale story So sarah, I'm sorry Lord Lord is a stale story. Yeah, we were doing right there. Yeah, sorry. Sorry It's hulkin. You need to study up on your hegelian philosophy Like a legend of what did Luke learn from the emperor exactly Is he gonna is he gonna argue that Luke learned that you shouldn't be fully evil that the emperor They can all learn just don't be you don't be sarin Stale that's interesting. See this is the thing It's like so you think a villain that can't have anything be learned from them Like they're one dimensional and straight up evil. They're just stale Of all the shows to bring that out for uh kora doesn't get that because kora's villains most of them They kind of make like the book ones villain amon is the best example because he kind of yeah has a point But they never show us that he actually does have a point They just pay lip service to the fact that he does and then he doesn't have a point because he's a massive hypocrite and a complete liar Uh, and then they just throw him in the trash and That's that I Is it just me or are her arms really fucking long? Um Yeah, a little bit. I mean he's a long one. He is freaking slender man over there Bodies are wasting a hegelian worldview the legend of kora is able to navigate complex ideas while also making its characters more interesting But when handling all of these and if you say that's true, you know Without supporting it. It didn't handle them. It just presented them kind of Off the ideas the writers definitely ran the risk of coming off as too preachy You don't want to sound like j. Walter weatherman from arrested development That's why you always leave a note Now kora is not without a few scenes that state the theme explicitly the top scene from earlier is an example of that But it's yeah, it seemed horrifically bloody obvious Yeah, like talking to an adult like you're a four-year-old child. You know bad people aren't 100% bad I mean in fairness kora and her mentality Oh, you're saying that she needed it that way because kora's not She went to the spirit world once and got turned into a child because of how she was acting I think she went to the spirit world on the short bus Yes All right It's also brilliant at showing the superiority of one ideology over another through action Especially in the third season finale. It does this by using a technique called poetic justice If you need it more it's like big go dig dig dig How condescending as if no one's ever heard of poetic justice Goddamn it Now kids this is called an essay Is basically when the good guys are rewarded and the bad guys are punished but usually The good guys are rewarded and the bad guys are punished is poetic justice I think that's just regular justice Poetic justice that that's just justice. Yeah No, no, he added that it's done in an ironic way. Oh, the guys are punished in some sort of ironic way Yeah, okay, so in some kind did he did he say that was an option? Or did he say that was just the way it is third season finale It does this by using a technique called poetic justice Poetic justice is basically when the good guys are rewarded and the bad guys are punished But usually the bad guy said but usually it's like He acts like it's not an essential part of it. I was about to say it's like No, I'm trying to think of an easy analogy because without the without the poetic part. It's just justice It's like it's a wet noodle, which is a noodle that usually is wet. You're like Uh Missing a key component Bad guys are punished in some sort of ironic way So in season three Cora is facing off against Zaheer and a small band of skilled benders trying to take down all governments and institutions His henchmen are each defeated when their own power is ironically turned against them Which is a simple form of poetic justice, but Zaheer's final Is that irony though? Yeah, this is where it gets complicated. Yeah, I need I need to know the I need to know the content by water. Is that irony? Ironic that the one thing uses as a weapon was what defeated him. Wow. It was ironic that uh Kylo was defeated by a sword-like object Oh I guess now we're re-incorporating. We taking it back Like degrees of irony, I suppose it'd be like if I don't know man like this is this gets complicated because I need to know what actually happens with those things. So is this what what gets done to those benders Is it like a guy uses fire gets killed by fire? Is that is how simple it is? Anyone know? one of them shoots an exploding beam from her face and Uh blows up her head What really? Yeah, oh shit. Well Yeah, I don't see how that's irony though It's like it's not irony if a soldier goes into battle and gets shot by another soldier on the other side That's not ironic. What if he shoots his gun? I don't think it's irony if his own grenade misfires or something I don't know Is it even would that even be irony? No It would depend on the setup, wouldn't it? Yeah, it would Well, let's let's get some examples going. Would you say it's ironic to have been killed by an ambulance? Well, I think both of our examples are kind of the same thing Fires but it is on fire itself. You know, I was gonna say in getting run over by an ambulance and killed is like The purpose of the fucking vehicle was to save lives to save you ended up being the thing Yeah, based on how it's presented both of those can easily act as irony Yeah Um, so it's not like ah, but I just reflected your back back at you. That's irony I was gonna say the person with exploding powers uses it and it explodes their face. Is that really what happens? Uh, she goes to fire the beam thingy from her forehead and someone covers her head in metal Oh, yeah, and Explodes and the results are yeah, I don't I don't know if I see that's like poetic justice at all That's just wow rib getting killed. Yeah, this is they killed you like Yeah, I was like if you can find a video game If you're playing a video game and you throw a grenade and then you accidentally kill yourself with a friendly fire explosion I don't know. That's ironic It's just like whoops It's tough subject. I'll let him continue or really consider it in a colloquial sense No one's like, haha, dude. That was kind of ironic It's ironically turned against them, which is a simple form of poetic justice But Zaheer's final defeat is astounding in its multi-layered use of It's multi-layered use of irony Lay it on me just right go for it irony. It's not just one ironic reversal that does him in It's five distinct reversals working in harmony. One, Zaheer is an airbender, but is defeated by airbending. That's ironic That's not ironic at all. If I had a fucking gun and I was shot to death, that is not an ironic death I don't I sense like he sucks at being an airbender. Yeah Ironically, he's so good at it. Even though he wasn't a bender previously. He just became one magically And then became the best death by loud soup I'm looking through the definitions of irony. It doesn't really fit any of them Well, he's got five examples that the first one was kablooey. So let's see what else he's got Is an airbender, but is defeated by airbending. That's ironic. Two, the same event which gave him his powers gave power to the people who beat him Three, see here. It's not ironic. How's that ironic? Was that not ironic? How was that ironic? I don't understand Coincidence maybe. Yeah People confuse the two all the time when they're almost like the opposite and a lot of ways Yes, so whatever event he caused to get him his powers. It provided the powers to the people that eventually killed him And he didn't even cause it. It was core that caught it How is that? How is that irony? Was that ironic? I also noticed that like I also noticed some Bit of a tangent, but like um, I also noticed that like the british like don't entirely agree with The same definition that irony is used by americans It seems like we can't really agree on what irony even means. I don't really know why that is. There is an ongoing discussion about that shit Yeah Ironic that the one word that's constantly in flux To be discussed as to what exactly it means is ironic. Is that ironic? I don't By one of the definitions is that ironic? Like for the example he uses if the event was that he created a magic portal or something in order to specifically give Someone power But then it was used by people against his will to give themselves power that they used to defeat him That would be more ironic because there's an intention there There's a specific sort of usage that that he was going for He had a purpose and a goal that was ultimately There I say subverted in order to and something else happened contrary to what he wanted as a result That would be more closer to irony But not just like Not what he described And the universe describes in these powers because The universe thinks that the world is out of balance And so by balancing it it creates him a villain to unbalance it. Maybe that's ironic I just I think the component he's missing is like The purpose being completely flipped So like the idea that he was provided power by this thing It's like so therefore the purpose is flipped by providing his enemies his powers like not necessarily The irony there would be is if he lost his power to that same source Or if he was killed by that source that was attempting to empower him Wouldn't that be the ironic thing to be killed by people who gained power from a thing you gained power from That just sounds like a fair and square battle Yeah, I don't know I think poetic justice necessitates any kind of ironic sense to it Yeah Kind of yeah If someone said oh my god of all the ways to get killed on a battlefield You were shot and you're appears with a gun how ironic it's like that's not ironic at all Okay, yeah, because that's what you'd expect oftentimes the soldiers to shoot at each other Exactly and I mean last it's the last e-fab we were talking about uh, Hieronymus Bosch came up And in his uh with three panel work, uh the Garden of Earthly the lights you have the purgatory heaven or you know, you just a hell part And in the hellscape that he painted people who committed certain sins were Punished in ways that were appropriate. So like gluttons were consumed and then shout out and things like that So that would that would be is people say that's ironic. It's like no, that's not it's not irony In that sense the opposite Trouble is I think we need a more, uh I think we need a more solid definition on what irony is before we can really continue on Well, I'll listen to his other examples. I think they seem to be Coincidental seems to be the running theme for his choice of uh, well his choices Oh, yeah Reversals working in harmony one Zaheer is an airbender, but is defeated by airbending. That's ironic Two the same event which gave him his powers gave power to the people who beat him three See here's entire philosophy is about the need to disband institutions But he's defeated by a group of characters just now learning to operate as a cohesive group It's not irony Wouldn't that just be a conclusion then it's like he wants to disband institutions and an institution defeats him It would be ironic that he has to use an institution in order to abolish institutions that he thinks are evil That would be irony Senate Brahms. I just mean like army x wishes to defeat army y, but they are defeated by army y It's like damn how ironic the one people they tried to stop beat them. It's like that's I don't think that's ironic I don't think it's ironic so much. It's just their ideals clashed and Zaheer is lost What I mean is weird to draw these like this is I stay away from the fucking word It just makes everything confusing anyway This is you know, if he just defined what he means by irony That would be great, but he isn't so I'm just using the definitions of irony and it ain't checking Just now learning to operate as a cohesive group four Zaheer's arc this season is about becoming unfettered by this world both metaphorically by giving up all worldly desires And literally by learning to fly in the end He is torn out of the sky and arrested five. He only loses what wait what part of that's the irony so okay, so He wants to rid himself of like things that connect him to the world and For some reason learning to fly means that he did that It gets I guess because three of the bonds of gravity. I don't know As you recall that's yeah, that's ultimate airbender power as you get to fly Okay And the irony is he's pulled from the sky Okay He's a weird man. That's not irony. This all seems very I could call a lot of this poetically just if I wouldn't call much of it ironic Yeah, led the police in a vehicle But how ironic that he had to be stopped and then pulled out of his vehicle to be arrested The criminal was committing a crime how ironic that he was arrested Yeah, all right. Yeah I don't understand this just right. You're confusing me To fly in the end. He is torn out of the sky and arrested five He only loses because he chained cora up for a guy constantly talking about freedom. He's guilty Context well, no, he lost because the airbender showed up and His ass Yeah, so what is he talking? What does cora do after being chained up? Well, she goes to the avatar state, which is like they're super sane and See, he whips her around a bit And then they better show up and rip him out of the sky and I said Could it be argued that the whole reason the airbender showed up is because of what he did to cora? Uh, yeah Yeah, that's true. They're there to save cora. That's probably what he's referencing then because again, I haven't seen it Yeah, maybe Um, so I guess he's saying how ironic that you tried to to I don't know chain up this person And it eventually caused your downfall. I don't know if that's ironic either It's like, oh, you believe in freedom yet you imprison people What a reach He's like, okay. I I I think if you went to most people and said, what do you think about freedom? Oh, freedom's good. It's like, oh, so you think we should lock up criminals I should be like Just writes kids in the boarding. It's like they put milk in the cereal. He's like, how ironic What do you mean dad? He's like of all the things you put in your cereal. It's milk Like He's Cook a zucchini is like, ah, yes Lemon pepper how ironic It's ironic that the avatar expert It's ironic that the avatar expert in our lineup as mike is dog shit or someone just Yeah, it's not too bad. It's making like little fart noises a lot whenever you speak Whenever I speak always pretty much. Yeah, kind of pretty crackly Yeah Oh Not to worry. We are nearing his uh, the the the thesis of his video. I don't fucking It's gonna be ironic. Whatever it is five. He only he's reaching to bring it all together You know what? I'm gonna make a note for gdell as well. So like make five random points That's uh, not the least bit ironic date That's a Thank you. Just right Allowing me to have this wonderful moment in the future gdell. It's gonna be a long gdell stratomire Stratomire says hey moller. Check your twitter. He says sorry to rags in advance Oh, no. Oh, no You're gonna draw me some fucking monstrosity checking twig. Oh, I've got a couple of memes. I gotta go All right. Well, I need to collect a few things. So Entertain people guys talk about tizms. I don't know Oh, dude, that's awesome Blackbird ink that shit's cool. I'm gonna show everybody in a second Okay, I just saw the what he's talking about right Excellent, uh, okay good pop that over how is Christ our audience is way too talented. It's unsettling, you know Wait, hi Nearly done guys. Don't fret Thanks for entertaining the audience while I was doing that by staying fucking silent I can't wait to see if number five is actually an irony. One out of five ain't bad, right, right? Yeah, uh, wait Wasn't five the the chain-up thing. Yeah, he's done his five. Oh, yeah, so he's got to be wrapping it up soon bringing it all together Hegel Hill boy Big idiot scholar of the face Dude, I'm not gonna get tired of saying big idiot Big idiot How ironic that just right wanted to make a good video, but actually made a bad video that's there you go nailed it Rags I think you'll love this one. I'm sure I will Oh Rags don't don't be bad Make me beautiful What have you done? Made him beautiful That's fucking had some Squidward levels of life I'm just gonna save that for later I've had some Squidward That's what I was thinking It's too perfect And uh, yeah, the other thing that I was said Who is this picture? Oh, oh, shit. Holy shit. That's really neat. Look at how handsome you get drawn. Wow Oh I like the I like that like the neck is like a spine and you got the gloves on Yeah, I like that idea like you're almost like a cyborg Oh, maybe that's what the angle you should take because like you're a cyborg, you know, you like a skeleton robot sort of thing I mean, I'm not against it. You're talking about the robot. That's kind of cool Yeah, it's fucking awesome. I'm trying to think of what I could do with it. I'm like, I want to put it somewhere That's really cool. Yeah, man. You could yeah, you crop that out. No problem making an icon anything Yeah, like if if he can provide like, um, like dng without the logo within the code There's all kinds of shit you could do I mean, I don't yeah, I'll Because I can this is a way to like say for example if I wanted to get rid of evap 50 I could probably do it with my limited knowledge of photoshop even but Yeah, I don't know. I want to do something with that. I really like it. It's awesome. Thank you very much for this Fucking cool as shit And the handsome Squidward rags, of course I just I love I could just pad back to it. It's like Suddenly rags like Oh Jesus, sorry just right for interrupting you you you clearly teaching us about Everything bring it all back No In the end he is the horn out of the sky and arrested five He only loses because he chained Korra up for a guy constantly talking about freedom He's guilty of imprisoning a lot of people when he first escapes. He doesn't just escape Can you believe if you want to create a free society some people might end up in prison How ironic rags how ironic Who can who wants a free society where people are held accountable? Sounds like a wrong man bad speaking over there That sounds like Michael and Bolin later on in the season and only releases them So he can ensnare Korra in a trap both times he fights Korra He does so while she is in chains the second time she uses those chains against him Wow, she sounds kind of OP Wow, if she didn't have those chains though, she probably would have done better the chains in which he bound her were used to defeat him How ironic Spoiler warning. She is kind of OP. What I'm trying to imply here is that she could have fucking beaten him regardless Yeah Is it did she need the chains? Did she need the chains closest to irony there? Well, but my point is like Okay, so like rags you have a fucking bazooka and I I I like I ensnare you with with Let's just say a bunch of string and then you force the string down my mouth and I choke on it Is that an ironic death because I tried to you could just fucking shot me a little bit like because You pro you What you gave me was intended to stop me But it ended up being what I used to defeat you Like you would have had it gone out of your way to do that like it's a bizarre way to kill me instead of just Yeah, it's really odd, but it is sort of I would I would call that irony I think I I'd agree is poetic Yeah, it's certainly poetic. I I would say it's like it's irony that he was defeated By the thing that he imposed on someone else in order to weaken them, but that ended up being what You know what and I'm just curious that Because again, I don't know the content but like are the chains on her even relevant Do she need them to beat him or is it just a fucking it doesn't it doesn't matter Well, no it totally matters because if he was an intention was to lock her down with these things and they don't do Fuck all to her. Well, okay Like if I put a glove on your hand and I said that'll stop you from hurting me Well, if he if he wanted to completely immobilize her he probably would have just like wrapped her in like a coil I just meant to I don't know He was trying to kill her to see the whole thing this is that she is slightly immobilized because she's been poisoned with Iron is it iron? Yeah, so she spat in his eyes and the poison she's got I get it irony. Oh, yeah I thought that's what you would do it right? You were going with that. Yeah, I like how you chain that one together hell In a single scene In dreams are dashed his Racy I find it interesting this poor man. Like he enjoys tlj on legend of kora. What are we gonna do for him? I'll be save him a thesis an antithesis Antithesis a thesis In a single scene Zaheer's hopes and dreams are dashed His ideology is defeated and his hypocritical actions are turned against it and the show does Yeah, we put a sock in his mouth. That's why the villain is humiliated You know, he can just like use his tongue and push that out No, it's this happens in a lot of content where people just for some reason hold on to it as if that's how it works Like like he's biting down at it right now. They're like, ah, you gotta Yeah, it's just use use your tongue and just push it out This without anyone ever having to say something like this and that's why you never lead an anarchist revolt The legend of kora does not have the same kind of epic sweep that its predecessor series had nor is it supporting cast as iconic But it is every bit as iconic that we can agree I like that he says that a lot of things. Well, I was gonna say he chose the word iconic rather than Better always like he's like staying clear of that environment As great as the last airbender just in a different way where that show was more about personal growth The legend of kora highlights themes of global significance. It's a global significant It presents them. It doesn't highlight them. It doesn't use them. It just puts them there Much like is how an essay will simply present ideas We're gonna say uh, I cut you off for a second there. What are you gonna say? I'm just saying he's right that it's definitely not about personal growth You know My themes oh, yeah, by the way bingo card big big big one for themes. That's that'll be several My themes the show about testing your beliefs against other people and finding common ground And that's reinforced in every plot line of the show more than anything else Legend of kora makes us wonder just as hegel does what great ideas There we go brought back in this hegel. We didn't forget about you, buddy Over the uh common ground Where hegel would have loved legend of kora beat the didn't she beat the shit out of these people? Yeah, I mean essentially in season she doesn't agree with him at all I was gonna say does she learn she just to adopt parts of their ideology in a positive way or something Yeah, and then going forward she remember. Oh, yeah, not that I remember I could use this one person who took it too far But I could use like a moderated reasonable version of it to solve this problem Cartricked him like it paid lip service to the idea that it is doing all of these things and he took the bait My god Oh god, yeah, how ironic that someone focused on writing should be fooled We need to stop doing that whatever anything happens just go how ironic How ironic that the person who should be teaching us about what good writing is is so easily fooled by terrible writing fooled by an ancient jim philosopher Perhaps you should have paid attention yourself Hegel was essential to understanding this The video wouldn't have worked without the first couple of minutes for hegel More than anything else the legend of Korra makes us wonder just as Hegel does What great ideas might be lost if we don't open ourselves up to change? No punch nazis He does Game Informer like the subscribe thing is changing. She's all her villains These are the thoughts that I didn't use but now I am Look just right. I will absolutely subscribe if you cover more of big idiots. I think that he can really improve your channel The idiot is wise man I wonder what happens if I take that subscribe there and I flip it upside down just like let me go to paint and do that That'd be ironic Okay, so um Yeah, I got nothing I was gonna say so there's a couple things I got to sort of look through with my discord I got a post a bunch of extra memes get things in order. We we're gonna be coming right back for part three of the 24 hour EFAP this is this is reaching the end of part two I'm gonna I'm gonna let it push to nine hours though. So we got Got three minutes to talk. So um, I don't know guys. So what's what's gay? How's how's things going? It just says what's gay. No, I said hey, hey, what is wrong with you? Oh What is gay what is gay that's dude, no one's made an essay about that Well, I was gonna say either way, um, I think the next one We're just gonna do meme videos all in a row and so I'll try and get a Cast for that as in like a selection of people that would actually have a fucking clue of what's happening. I believe Metal will be available. He has not jumped on yet and um Possibly jay if he's around possibly even alex making a return and fringy who even knows we still got me I mean, I still have like eight fucking hours Eight fucking hours, and that's if we actually Oh, there's some irony there. Um, oh ask the gay slash orphan question What's the gay question Uh, why are you why are you gay? Why are you gay? Why are you asking? Why are you running? Why do you ask a gay question? While I get my beverage um, but yeah I think we'll do Uh videos when we return and then I'm gonna probably at least do a half or a whole bunch of super chats It'll make sense to do it and uh Then cover who knows what I actually this this did not go the way I expected and what I mean by that is We have covered six videos in total. I thought we were gonna get through so many more than that and we didn't Complete six videos in fucking 17 hours What the hell is that a record or not? I was good, right? I was gonna say that probably is actually in line with how if I've typically goes. I don't know why I'm complaining Don't we normally here cover like two? Yeah Yeah Two two two plus super chats typically like around a normal e-fap. I think sometimes we only do the one I remember the when theo was supposed to come on to cover uh Just right subjectivity thing If I can we couldn't even get through extra credits without saying, you know, I'm gonna have to stop it there I was that that was all theos fault and stop talking. Yeah It's all me. I talk too much in the e-fap you see. Mm-hmm And we you know, we we we try to talk to him about it. I know that the fans are very upset about it What can we do? Oh, you know, it might have been one more video. I didn't realize we did cover the tonal video I'm trying to find my records of it all. I'm supposed to keep all this in tracking. No I just want to cover the holy trinity from down with thrust the fucking video But yeah, uh, I guess with that like I said, I will I will try and end it around both And um, we will come back in around about probably 10 minutes. I would like to pee But you know, it's not important compared to getting the memes in in their positions. Um So I said, uh, we are gonna come back to you. Don't worry. Thank you for tuning in this far Um, is does anyone else want to say anything before we go off lines? Stay tuned Yeah, there's a disappointing to me I'll come up with anything else. Uh, yeah, so that that's about it. I've I've delayed enough to reach nine hours Excellent. We shall see you soon. Excellent Doodle bib, cheerio