 Tom, were you aware of any neighbors that want to participate? Not at all. I'm sorry to hear you. No. Okay, thank you. So I'm going to call the meeting to order since it's seven o'clock or somewhere thereabouts. This is a regular meeting of the development board, the meeting of the 17th of November. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. 2020. And we have one application tonight. It's an application by Gerald stuff. And that's for request to add an additional use of a home business to residential use property. And the residents of the rest of the home business would be a auto repair and service is that correct? Yes. Thank you. Thank you for we start the meeting is I need to swear you in. And also the zoning administrator. You swear to tell the truth. The truth and then before this board tonight on the penalties of perjury. I do. I do. Thank you. Okay. Would you please describe to us what you'd like to do with this business and your property. I want to do an auto inspection station. And oil changes, tire changes. In order to do the inspection part, I need to get the board's approval, I guess. The auto inspection requires a zoning compliance statement from the town. Okay. What else would you be doing besides. Oil changes and inspections. Would you be doing repairs? Yeah. Some transmission. Motor work. Excuse me, Gerald. Excuse me, Gerald. You're breaking up. So I'm going to turn your video off. But leave, leave your audio on and see if that helps. Okay. I'm going to turn your, I'm going to turn your order. But we could still be able to hear you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Hopefully that'll help. So, Gerald. Go ahead. Describe this what you'd like to do there. I'd like to be able to do. Seasonal tire changes. Exhaust work breakwork. Transmission. Change transmissions out maybe once in a while. In Vermont state inspections. I've got a question. Will you be doing body work as well? What's that? Will you be doing body work as well? No, I'm. I'm no good at that. Okay. Tom, do you have any. Thank you, Gerald. Tom, do you have any comments with regard to this application? I do not. The reason it was brought to the developer review boarders of really. Two step process. For unlisted uses, one, the, the town administrator. The zoning administrator could approve it. I really thought that this was beyond the, the purview of the zoning administrator. And that's why it's in front of you folks tonight. Okay. Thank you. Questions by the members of the board. Okay. If there are no questions at this point in time. I think what we have. Before us tonight is. Covered under. Conditional uses. Covered, which is a 21 oh eight C. It's covered under the home businesses, which is 3103. And it's also a, the primary thing that Tom was referring to was just. Two zero zero five C. Period scene, which is unlisted uses. So I think the board has to determine that this is a. A reasonable use based on other unlisted uses. Other, other listed uses. If we go to unlisted uses, it basically says that we have to. Determine that the, it's the same general character as those permitted or allowed as conditional uses. And that will not be detrimental. To other uses within the district. And the adjoining land uses. So I think that's the first question before this board tonight. And then we have to go through the criteria of conditional use. Okay. Mr. Chair. Mr. Stop also provided a site plan. Review for, for this board to, to, I think, to enhance his application on. Why would not be detrimental to the neighborhood. As well as text. Addressing the criteria. Yes. Yeah. I'm aware of that. Thank you. So. It would appear to me. That this is not a use that would be. Does everybody sort of recognize where this property property is? Yep. It's sort of pretty much out of sight. From the road. Which is route 12. From the road. Also the town road. Well, yeah. So it's not a use. Lower Lane. Right. In fact, you have to look really hard to find it from my driveway. So. But. I don't know this dissimilar in use to things like. Contractors yard. Right. Mr. Stout, will you be having employees? My apologies, my daughter. Me. Pauli von Denver. Carol, will you have any employees? No. Thank you. Thank you. She only calls about once a month. This was the night. Any questions by the board with regard to being a similar use of being compatible with the area? Yeah, I know, but I just have a, I don't think it's similar to a contractor's yard because he says there will be no stored vehicles. There won't be any unregistered vehicles. So it sounds like there's no parts cars there. Is that correct? Correct. But I think the, my take on that is that it's less of an impact than a contractor yard because it doesn't, yeah. That was my point. Yeah. I agree. Any further questions about the use being appropriate as a business in the area? No, not for me. In that case, I'd like to go through the site. I've lost them. Site plan criteria. I'm here somewhere. And parking use, you indicated you have some parking at the property. Gerald, can you hear me? Yes. Can you hear me? Yes. Yeah, we do. Yeah, I have, I have a parking available there. We have your text before us, but just ask you to sort of address it a little bit yourself. The properties located quite a ways away from Lovers Lane. So you have parking on the property for six cars more. Yes. If you're looking at the picture there. In front of my garage. I've got. I figured out that 200 feet. Those, those on the video is this one. This, what he's referencing. Looks like there's plenty of wrong. Yeah. But there's, there shouldn't be. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. There shouldn't be. Maybe one car overnight. If I don't get it finished. That day it comes in. I'll finish it in the morning. And then. That'd be all that would be stored there. But they'd all be registered and insured. So will you just do appointments? Yes. Just to kind of control the flow. Yeah. But I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. The part store trucks that come in and out. Yeah. The, um, Which brings us to access the circulation a little bit, Carla. It's a private drive. Um, the, um, I guess I would ask you to address the fact. It's right across the railroad tracks. Do you see that as a problem? No. It's the train before the COVID stuff came by like four times a day, once at like two in the morning, nine in the morning, noon, and six o'clock at night, and now it doesn't come by. I don't remember the last time I heard it. It's pretty rare. Yeah. Not to digress, but what train goes through there? Amtrak. Oh. Yep. Haven't you ever seen the pumpkins from the train? I have. Yep. It's been a long time since I've been on that train, so. Oh, okay. It's convenient out of Montpelier. Yeah. Yeah. I used to go to the city, New York City in it, but that was a long time ago. The, so what it is, is that his driveway is immediately after the railroad tracks. Right. Well, but as probably most of you know, Lover's Lane is now closed through traffic. Really? I don't know what the, yeah, the bridge deck needs to be replaced and the town does not have a budget, does not have the budget to replace the bridge deck right now. I think the town is applied for state funds to help deal with that or not. My sense, Mr. Chair, is that there may be an article on town meeting day to address the Fisher Road Culver, that deck and one other infrastructure at Richardson Road Culver. And you're working on that tomorrow night. Okay. Yeah. So, but right now it is closed. It will be hopefully open again, although I have to tell you that there are a number of people that live on that road that hope it will not be open again because of truck traffic. But anyway, you were talking about how many trips a day. You're talking about maybe six customers a day. Gerald? Yeah. How many customers a day? Probably around six a day. So that would be two trips per customer, maybe more. That's not a lot of traffic. Well, the other thing is it's the first drive off of Lover's Lane, right? Yes. Right. Yeah. I have more friends and family that come down the driveway than I would customers. How many people do you have coming down the driveway and want to go swimming? Oh, there. Questions on access and circulation, landscaping and screening. What was that? Gerald, the chairman was asking the commission if they had any further questions on access and circulation and they did not. Oh, yeah. I'm sort of going through these one by one and see if the board has any questions. So in this case here, landscaping and screening is the next criteria. Any questions with regard to landscaping and screening? No. We all have the narrative before us. It looks really well worded. Yep. As I say, I live right near here and I can't see it. Outdoor lighting. Questions on outdoor lighting. No. My understanding is you're going to have a motion sensor light wall light over each door. Is that correct? No. I couldn't understand it was all broke up. My understanding is you will have a wall mounted light over each door. Yes, those are, they're already on my garage. They're those decorative wall sconces for when you drive into your parking car in the garage. They come on automatically. So are you adding any new lighting? I'm not adding any new lighting. No. I'm going to have to add a sign light for, for my building. Okay. Well, How light will that be on, you know, in the night? Maybe, but it's not, it's not to see. It's just they're, they're called sign lights. beam the light onto the sign that's on the on the building right so I don't think that's in time Gerald will those lights go out at a certain time every day yes what time probably nine o'clock that that will likely be a condition of any permit are those would be motion sensor lights or the full time on timer no those are on those are on a switch okay so you'll be turning them off manually Gerald yeah you'll be turning them off manually yes okay Gerald would you have a would you have a problem putting it on a timer so there's no a possibility of you forgetting to turn it off no no you don't have a problem with that I don't have a problem other questions there we know other outdoor lighting correct Gerald don't Gerald no other outdoor lighting correct what's that no other outdoor lighting correct right thank you questions on lighting none I have a question are you asking the DRB to prove the signs or are you proving those Tom the question to you Tom I will prove those administratively okay so we're not going to hear the criteria on a sign okay okay so the RV is not going to review signs the zoning administrator will take your sign application so losses we've heard about a sign that we don't know which which right outdoor use areas any questions about that my understanding Gerald is there will be no outdoor storage of any junk materials goods equipment or unregistered vehicles is that correct correct because I think it's a big question for us my apologies thanks sir I just took my phone down to my husband the performance standards 3208 the applicant has addressed orders crash and so we have any questions on that but I just have a question about because I was looking at a map and it looks like your closest neighbors there's a house on Haskins Terrace I guess and also there's some houses the houses closest to route 12 on Pine Hill Drive seem close how close are those houses to your house um probably a quarter of a mile away at least okay I just didn't know they seem closer than any houses on Lovers Lane okay probably the house on Haskins Drive is the closest house yeah but it's on the other side of the river yeah and I believe quite a bit above your house is enough Gerald oh yeah that's Keith Herring yeah they're there that house is quite a ways away from mine across the river yeah I'm looking at Google Maps it doesn't look like there's a house very close doesn't look like what like there's other than that house across the across the river there doesn't look like there's anything very close no just just the ones on Pine Hill Drive but that's across from route 12 so yep erosion control man standing there'll be no land development done here there'll be no construction plans so some water management is not relevant you just have the existing property you can use it as it's being used now traffic is kind of an issue with me I was but in this case here I don't see very many trips involved I am concerned about the fact that driveway is only about 75 feet from route 12 so our standards but that's an existing driveway and there's not a lot of additional traffic so I I have no questions about traffic does there may have questions about traffic no we're in the conditional use standards right now so we're talking about the character of the area mm-hmm this would be a different use than what's in the immediate area but on the other hand it's right next to a railroad track which used to have four trains a day or more and probably will again and will again yeah will again hopefully when I first bought my house here the first night we slept here I lived across the road from his place on Pine Hill Drive okay first night we slept here about two o'clock in the morning train went through I said what the hell is that sound I didn't realize it was a track that close and it's nowhere near as close as it is to him how long you lived there Gerald four years four years so you got used to it by now it still catches me off guard sometimes I love the sound of a train going through it reminds me of my child I live in in my house and see if you still want that yeah well what where he lives and where I live the house rocks oh so I anything about character there questions by those members of board no natural resource natural resource protection we do have an issue here Gerald I have a question for you was that house damaged in 2011 no no from flooding from no not that I was aware of do you have the garage it got there was water up in the yard I guess because the train they called the day before and and the train that stuff back up underneath the trussel and they told them that it would be fine and apparently I wasn't fine the 2011 flood was larger than the hundred-year flood so it was actually above the hundred-year floodplain in this area that's why I asked the question the but according to floodplain map Tom it's not in the floodplain is that correct that is correct mr. chairman thank you and your business will be out would be controlled would be regulated by home myself in the Vermont Department of Motor Vehicle okay I think it's pretty it's pretty rigorous to get a dealer an inspector yes I just have a question about you know the storage of the oil that you change because you are right next to the river and I just want to make sure that the the water is protected so you you mentioned I guess that you will have sort of a some kind of a waste of disposal system describe that yeah I when I do oil changes I I got a self-contained unit that sucks it out and then I pumped that out of there into a 55 gallon drum and then a local garage that uses it for heat will come and take it from me for nothing so basically storing 55 gallon drums yeah until it's full and then it's it takes quite a few oil changes to fill one of those my question is who lifts it after but left probably okay so you may have any additional questions for this Africa no Tom do you have any additional comments no sir Gerald you have anything additional you want to add to your application no that just in the summertime there'll be a lot of traffic but it won't be mine yeah I fully aware of that they like the park the bottom my road they like they like the park everywhere yeah yeah no I'm good there's no other questions I'll move to close I have a motion to close the hearing portion of this application second second that motion second thank you John we have a motion by Carl is second by John is your discussion of the motion your no discussion all those in favor of the motion please signify by saying hi hi hi John post motion is passed thank you Gerald for your application thank you thank you we're out of the jar Gerald the Gerald Gerald before you leave the process is the board will then tonight likely go into deliberative session and from that deliberative session there will be a minutes and findings of fact written and a decision issued to you likely in 30 days but I can I'll talk to you tomorrow about all this okay okay right thank you for your time thanks thank you thank you thank you okay is this the staff out off the line now yes or orcas still on bomb or you're still on okay yes the one of the things we don't do with orcas still on is we don't talk about the minutes of the previous meetings and we probably should approve the minutes of the previous meetings while while we're still being recorded before we go and deliver a session so I'd like to do is jump ahead of delivery session on this application we have two sets of minutes that have not been a previous to prove to my correct with that Tom correct we have the minutes of September 1 and we have the minutes of September 15th that tells you how long it's been since we know yes can you remind us what projects those four I can September 1 was a Mark Nicholson's application for site plan review for that building he wanted to put it on his property okay and I made comments Polly and you made comments and Christy revised those per our comments she revised them on 915 and and I think we all said that looked good yeah and I would be prepared to make a motion to prove those minutes but we also have the minutes of September 15th and that was an application not an application is petition by the state of Vermont with regard to the site plan review we did for their park and ride oh right what they did is they petitioned us to change our findings right which I believe we did in accordance with their request and I'm trying to remember what the final resolution that was I made a number of edits yeah to that those minutes and I never heard anything further on that but I would probably why don't we go ahead with September 1 first I'll make the motion to prove September 1 as revised on 915 by Christy all second discussion comments questions I don't mean to go by too fast that was just that one application by Mark Nicholson and it was kind of technical stuff about how much of the criteria she needs to include in the text and she did okay most been made seconded if there's no further discussion all those in favor of that motion to approve the minutes of September 1 please say bye bye say hi hi hi thank you and on the minutes of September 15th I made my comments actually provided edits I suppose the comments and Polly you said you thought they were good yeah and I heard from none others but I'll make a motion to approve the minutes per my edits I'll second that is there discussion that motion all those in favor of that motion please signify by saying hi hi hi and we have approved the minutes of September 15th now food that's for the right all that's for the record at this point we can probably release orca you're going into deliver session mr. Chair I'm going to deliver session at 734 735 second second by Polly motion made by Carlo thank you all those in favor hi hi hi and we are in deliver the session thank you very much everyone