 Okay, now what you're probably saying at this point is the reality of this thing is that it's a table That it's a table. Okay So you say it's a table and you probably say it's made of you know Like I said earlier, it's made of wood metal and plastic, right? That's what the thing is. That's what composes it May we peel the Thiele's NXMN or NXMN as we point to what composes it It's composed of these different sorts of atoms these different chemical substances Okay, maybe you peel the Pythagoras or play you know Pythagoras and say well the form of it Is that it's what the kind of thing it is is that it's a table? It's okay I mean you could try that right you can try that so you have the appearances on one hand and You have the reality of it on the other Okay, well Here's another question What of the reality of this thing? Did you get from the appearances?