 We're going to talk to Clal Bitt, which is the IT group, IT division within Clal, which is 100 different companies. The CIO slash CEO, Yossi Yan, is joining us. Yossi is to my far left, and then Chaim Enger is the CTO of Clal Bitt. Now, as I said, Clal is the second largest insurance company in Israel, and Clal Bitt is the IT group division within Clal that services 100 different companies within that organization. So welcome. Welcome to theCUBE. Appreciate it. Yossi, you were telling me offline that it's a common model in Israel that an IT group division is a sort of separate entity and services that many companies or multiple companies within that conglomerate, which is a little different than it is in the U.S., often times that may or may not be the case, a lot of times it's very much embedded. Talk about that a little bit. What's that model like? Well, we're working on a yearly, maybe, multiple year budget with a specific project to every company, and the decision is made by the board of the company. And then we are following a specific budget to every project during the year, or if it's a multi-year project, then we're working on a multi-year budget. The way is that actually we have an accountant that follow the budget and the project and monitor in every month. So time and budget will be exact as planned. So how large is CLAL? CLAL is less than 5,000 employees and about the same number of independent brokers that are working for us all over the country. We have two daughter companies, one in the U.S. and one in England, and we are dealing with life insurance, elementary insurance, investment house, health insurance, and so on. So very much a diversified insurance company, essentially your financial services, your health insurance, quite different disciplines. You service the agent community as well. Is that right? Yes. We are supplying the IT system for the brokers, for the agents, and they are all connected to our computer system. So what are the big apps? I mean, obviously, claims is going to be a big app, and I'm sure you got HR and other things. So talk about the application portfolio. Well, we have, of course, the claims management for different versions of insurance, which is very unique. We've implemented it on SAP technology. Actually I think that we've been the first all over the world to implement it, but this was before my time. We have an application that is on the broker's office that they can do, actually, most of the work until customer gets his policy. Actually they are working on our IT system. That's the agent system. Very important, obviously, because it keeps sales going. Yes. Okay. So those are a couple of examples. All right. So we're going to talk a little bit about your IT environment, virtualization. You've got SAP, you mentioned, you've got Oracle applications as well. Right. Okay. How much of your environment is virtualized? Well, we actually have almost a little bit more than 1,000 servers, and only two servers are now physical. We are waiting for the next release of a Veeamware in order to virtualize those two also. So for last calculation, it's 99.9998, something like that. 4-9s. Yeah. You're 4-9s virtualized, which, of course, if that were your availability figure, you'd be in big trouble. But if you're virtualized, that's a good number, and that's the physical hardware. How about the application portfolio? What percent of that is virtualized? Well, actually, everything runs on virtualized servers. That's SAP, that's, we have Siebel from Oracle, all of our Oracle databases, all of our SQL databases, even, we even have very old legacy applications. We have an application that was migrated from a Unisys mainframe into micro-focused cobalt running on top of Red Hat Linux over Veeamware. So that's 1960 technologies running on the 21st century technology. Is Oracle friendly or toward Veeamware in Israel than it is in the United States? Or is there a lot of this going on? No, there's a lot of this going on, but in their favor I could say that when I do open a case for any technical problem, they do not ask me if it's virtualized or not. They just solve it. We did a little technical thing by, I don't know how technical you want me to get. What is technical as you like? In order to prevent a case in the future when they tell me that, okay, that database is on a virtual system. They cannot support it. All of our Oracle databases are running on Veeamware, but using an RDM file system on VMAX machines. And I left one physical server with the Oracle installed on it, just standing there, doing nothing. In any case, that Oracle support will tell me, okay, we cannot solve this problem because that database is on a virtual server. I will have to, in a few seconds, I can move it into that physical machine. The problem will probably reappear, and they'll have to solve it over there. But I don't get the state of mind of Oracle. Why do they don't declare, like Microsoft did, that they simply support Oracle on Veeamware? Well, I'll give you my perspective as because Oracle wants to own the world. Yeah. I guess Microsoft does too, but I don't know. Okay, so obviously the sales guys don't want you to do this, and that's understandable. You can understand that, but you're saying the support is excellent. Oracle is a good support organization. And so now, Yossi, you must have been involved in the original decision to go down this path, the virtualization. Talk about the business case. Why did you start on this journey to the private cloud?