 good Monday morning welcome to run it back I like that you guys are chilling this is good Chandler's here that's nice that is Chandler Parsons that is Lou Williams on the end there and Shyam Sharania joining us from his palace in Chicago guys you know when something happens and it's super predictable and then it happens and everyone's like oh my god why is this happening that's where we start the show today with the Los Angeles Clippers and the numbers we're about to say are offensive all right the Clippers are oh and four since acquiring James Harden okay that's not good but the loss of the Grizzlies is probably what put them over the top he's posting a plus minus of minus 67 eggs when he's on the floor compared to a plus 24 when he's on the bench is this a mistake did they make a mistake Lou yes moving on I mean so far so far it's all bad and I think I think that's a fair criticism you know you have three guys that play the same position on offense you're asking them to do things differently that they're they're not used to doing on a defensive end you know you got Kawaii Garden fours and fives when they're doing so much switching it's a rebounding problem and so it's just it's just a bad it's just a bad mix so I'm gonna change course I'm not I'm not gonna be a James Blamer I think that's I think that's the easy route out I'm gonna I'm gonna blame whoever decided to make a decision at all for anybody when you felt really good about where your group stood you guys were building chemistry you were getting really good minutes out of Russell Westbrook and it's and it was took a while for him to get his get his get his groove back going and so you kind of take him out of that Bones Highland has a DMP last night it's a lot going on over there so I would say why make a move at all not not a move for James Harden why do anything when you feel really good about your group yeah we said before this happened that this was gonna be the built an excuse right and all lies are on James Harden and these stats these plus minus stats his percentages they are rather offensive like you said they're pretty astonishing when you look at it as we're used to James Harden lighting up the court offensively and he just hasn't been able to find his rhythm but this is the built an excuse everything was working Russell Wilson Russell Westbrook's back playing at a high level he's happy why fix what's not broken and then they do this so it was a little shock but anytime you can add a talent like James Harden I respect them for making the the you know the swing for the fence now to me now it's on Tyron Lou now because not now you listen you started all four of the guys you didn't want to ruffle any feathers all these guys are Hall of Fame type players that are all NBA you didn't want to piss anybody off now you're only four with in this new era it's time to piss someone off now he's got to take that next step now he's got to make some adjustments or it's gonna come down on him because they just moved a lot of pieces around to put this team together to have this buzz going into their new arena they tried it I said two to three games now it's four get four losses went to the Memphis Grizzlies who can't beat anybody for ugly losses bad the bad losses so now it comes on on the front office and the head coaching which is Tyron Lou that he's got to make a change now because this is getting worse and worse shams any rumblings that you're hearing about mistakes regrets I think when this first when this first started it was sacrificed right Tyloo got all four of those guys in the room Russell Westbrook Kawhi Leonard Paul George James Harden talked about sacrifice and that's the one thing that you've seen these four losses so far it's like one of these guys has to play that role where it's not going to be about who we were before stature wise and you saw Paul George tried you know he came out and said I had to sacrifice I thought I had to play the glue guy rolled and Tyloo came out yesterday a pregame saying I'm a glue guy Paul George is not a glue guy we need him to be aggressive and then yesterday Paul George I think has his best game since James Harden got there but then the other guys coout Leonard Russell Westbrook and James Harden struggled 15 to 41 from the field so I think finding out which guy because it can't be Kawhi Leonard it can't be Paul George out of Russell Westbrook James Harden who's going to be willing to make all the sacrifice and that's not that's not only on offense that's on defense too and again like like the will said these guys haven't had that where they had to just sacrifice defensively just lock in defensively and that might be the only role they have for the night I mean I'm curious from from loose perspective you've played with the Clippers you play with James like how do you get these guys all sacrificing how do you get one of these guys to actually commit to that it's too it's just too many guys honestly like if Tyloo says we're gonna play through James we're gonna play through James Harden you have Kawhi Leonard Paul George and Russell Westbrook looking like why are we you know so I just think it's I just think it's time to mix that rotation up you know put put one or two of those guys on the bench or and put them in positions where they can be successful man I think James I think James can be successful off the bench I think Russ can be successful off the bench and that gives you a great that gives you a great balance right now I think they're top heavy still trying to figure it out but it just it just looks bad like and I hate and I hate to see that Bones Highland didn't get an opportunity to play last night like I know they're trying to figure out the rotations but again the guys that are having to sacrifice at this moment are guys that have been or guys that that are being asked to sacrifice are the guys that's you know had early success in the season and none of these guys have been in this position other than Russell Westbrook and that's what he did in LA and he took a backseat and he was in these talks for six man of the year and he kind of started flourishing in that role now fast forward to this season he's back starting he's now playing better than he was when he was in on the Lakers off the bench so I think he is the obvious choice that Tyron Lou has to go to he's got to move him to the bench it's not going to be Paul George not going to be quite Leonard but I don't think it's going to be James Harden either maybe they can like you were saying before the show maybe they can get him in this mindset that he was the sixth man of the year early in his career you know a kind of wholesome story that now you can in that anything for a championship right if that's all he wants to do which is everything he's saying publicly everything his team is putting out there all he wants to do is winning if that is requiring him to come off the bench then we'll see if he's ready to make the next step to me though it's it's it's Russ just to just to play yin and yang to that right if you put if you put Russ on a bench you still have James in that lineup and if you're not going to play Bones Highland you need somebody to score the basketball off the bench so I put James in that position and everybody is using his term where we need guys to do the dirty work we need we need guys to be glue guys Russell Westbrook is playing the hardest in that starting five I think you keep him in that lineup and if anybody is James coming off the bench you know it sounds crazy but I think James can give you twenty twenty five off the off the bench tonight well here's the thing the starting is the big everyone's focusing on who's gonna come off the bench here's the other question is who's going to close out games and the tweet last night that was just sort of Clippers were down 15 when Russ subbed in for Harden with a minute 20 left in the third Clippers came back with Harden sitting on the bench they tied the game and then Harden checked back in for us with 155 left in the fourth and then of course the Clippers went on to lose Chandler so like screws coming off to start and who's coming off the bench who needs to be closing it's gonna be different every single night and again this is on Tyron Lou this is a feel you have momentum this unit is rolling stick with it I don't care if James Harden just got there like that that's a poor substitution right and again maybe it's early he's just trying to please everybody but with this team with this much talent I don't care if it's bones Highland Terence man Norman Powell and two of those guys and two of them don't finish the game they're gonna have a different hot hand every single night and those closing lineups are to be earned on this team starting lineup do whatever you want figured out they got to make some adjustments but that closing lineup is gonna could be different every single night based on foul trouble or who's hot or whatever the scenario is but last night that was an interesting substitution you can see the viral video of Russ he's not happy when he's coming out he looks probably just as confused as we are and me and Lou said before when you come off the bench and those coaches have the hands out you see them so you don't dapp them up you're pissed off and Russell Westbrook was clearly pissed off last night as he should have been because I thought that was a poor in-game substitution with the game on the line and it paid off it didn't pay off for them and the Grizzlies got the win I feel like we don't question Tyler a lot this one was just a very sort of head scratching moment from Russ on down I think all of us watching do you expect changes Lou soon to this yeah like soon soon yeah I say the next game well we've seen a change I'm harping on the bones Highland thing yeah he's been very positive for his basketball team and to get a DMP last night to me I thought was was was interesting and so I think we're starting to see it but I definitely see a lineup change the next game and here's the thing to work it's this reminds me of the Kyrie Irving traded Dallas last year but that was in the middle of the season and they've only had a short time to figure it out and it didn't and it felt like the whole world was on fire they didn't make the playoffs it didn't now you're seeing that kind of flourish little bit this year the good news is for the Clippers it's four games they have the rest of the season to figure this out and this again this is small sample size and we're go there are two or three game winning streak away from us not talking about this anymore so that depends on how they get to that one yeah so that's the good news until someone gets benched and demands a trade then you have a whole other topic but that's the good news for this team they are talented enough it is early enough for them to figure this out it just to me it comes on the coaching staff of the substitutions the rotations house how is Tyron Lou gonna do this team let this team win and to make all these guys happy look I don't know how much say he had or didn't have I'm sure he wasn't against this move but now Tylu of course is gonna be the guy asked about everything and the quote that came out was interesting here's what Tylu had to say he's doing too much about James Harden to try to fit in he needs to be James Harden we have to allow him to be himself and here's the kicker we're going to play through James should they be I mean that's weird to say that's weird to say a loud rude James hard no he's project you're going through quite later you're going through Paul George I understand what he's saying this is a motivational thing James Harden stop being passive stop turning down our shots you see him in the Brooklyn game he's turning down wide open shots to plum fake to take worse shots like James be aggressive be what got you here be the Hall of Fame MVP type player you are that I think is why he's saying this now if that was not interpreted that way in the locker room if that pissed off a couple people which I'm sure it did yeah that's another problem that he's got to deal with but this is just a coach trying to get his guy get him going but again you got three other guys looking like I don't know about play through him so that's tough man I I understand what's he Lewis trying to do here he's trying to get James to feel acclimated feel like he's a part of it and just be yourself and go out there and give yourself an opportunity to be successful but again you got a lot of alphas in that locker room you got a lot of guys that feel like you should be playing through them and so they got to find that balance you know they they they have a they got a problem on it it's very juggly all right Shams you announced Mason Plumlee is going to miss a couple of months with an MCL sprain not good news for the Clippers who need who needs some size what are they going to look to do yeah this is this is tough for the Clippers because he was their depth behind Evisa Zubaj right now they are severely lacking big man depth and they're looking at a big man one guy that they're targeting they're pursuing is Daniel Tice of the Pacers he's not in that rotation in Indiana he would need to reach a buyout to get free but you know in the hardened deal they had to get rid of three four power forwards and that that obviously has depleted them of the depth and I think there's of course like we've been talking about this this entire show there's pressure on this organization there's pressure on this team and so Lawrence Frank and the Clippers organization is trying to find a big man because they're without a backup center for the foreseeable future it's just getting better and better it's a good topic let's move on Milwaukee Bucks they are five and four right now but bigger stories they've lost two straight while giving up close to 120 points again oh look at that pretty bucks greed it just flat surprised me they're 25th in the league defensively they're not shining stars at this point and obviously their team that's always looking for the championship the next one are you considering them contenders with these types of numbers what these types of numbers know is glaring and you look at this trade and everyone that doesn't really know basketball sees oh my gosh they get Damian Lillard he's gonna make the offense so much better which he can and he will because he's gonna open up the floor for Yanis there's not gonna be as much help defense he's gonna be able to knock down shots when Yanis is going downhill in transition but there's a glaring hole here and it's defensively and that's something you can't just replace with but through holiday gone he's probably the best perimeter defending guard other than our guests coming on here in a little bit but he you can't just replace that and he's so valuable on that end where there are gonna be holes and there's gonna have to now be a collective effort for everybody to kind of get on the same page they're gonna have to communicate a lot of times defense is all about effort and communication this team's just not doing that right now and Damian Lillard he's not and he's not an all defensive team guy they can out score people he can space the floor but yeah to me this trade it seems so obvious when you when you do it but would you rather have the six or eight less points from do holiday and or have these huge holes defensively we know without him so it's kind of give or take again it's early for this team to anytime you add someone like Damian Lillard it's gonna take time to get them involved but you can't really replace true holiday defensively that's yeah that's the question when you add a new piece or make a big move we're all gonna be like well I don't know shams on your end what have you been seeing from this bucks team what's the biggest issue in your mind yeah there are two incidents that that have happened two things that I think get glossed over one in mid-October there's an incident between Adrian Griffin the new head coach and Terry Stas Terry Stas long-time head coach he was the lead assistant he steps down after an incident at shoot around and and that obviously that was a relationship with Damian Lillard but also that's your lead assistant so they're down a lead assistant before the eve the season started and then two weeks ago against the Knicks there was you know a scenario where Brooke Lopez all year has been playing this new style of defense that Adrian Griffin is implemented he's been guarding players on the perimeter but in in previous years he's been playing drop coverage and that allows him to get blocks that allows him to get steals inside and I think that that's changed in two weeks ago players went to Adrian Griffin and told them we want to change how we want to go back to how we played defense before and Adrian Griffin changed the defense back to drop coverage and you've seen them be a little bit better last couple weeks but they still like we see right here in these stats they're not playing as well defensively and where they hung their hat the last several years and even from Damian Lillard and Yanis's perspective like having more picks pick and roll coverages and even Damian Lillard being aggressive out of them and not always deferring to Yanis I think the town is there but from from a gelling perspective cohesion they clearly have a long way to go that's interesting I mean we'll get to Damian a second but you you brought up coach Griffith and now I'm wondering hmm how much of this is his responsibility or does she take on his shoulders I mean a lot of it you know a new coach new system new guys everything is gonna be on him this team is gonna have his personality written all over so he has to find his stamp and figure out something for this team very soon and again when it's a new coach you have to have the team and the guys buy into your system to your philosophies and it seems like there's been some confusion with whatever they're handling pick and rolls or pinned down so the fact that they're just now getting on to the same page you know nine games into the season is a little concerning but again they're missing their head of the snake defensively and drew holiday and that is a huge hole they're gonna have to have guys like Beasley and Jay Crowder and campaign these guys that aren't usually used to doing that they have to take that on us and they have to start locking up because they're gonna score points the honest is gonna have huge games dames gonna have huge games for them to be a real championship contender they have to start locking in defensively I know it's only three weeks in but at what point do you start to hear mumblings of perhaps like a little buyers remorse or maybe maybe we did the wrong thing here with true holiday and dame I don't think I don't think quite yet obviously if they go on a skid like like the Clippers are on then then yeah there's gonna be some chatter and that's the beauty about being in a small market Milwaukee we're not gonna we're not gonna hear as much about it how dare you but I don't think so I think they got a full season again I think Damien Lillard such an attribute to that team offensively where they're gonna figure it out on the other end and I and I agree with Chandler this is a scenario where dame has to be dame this is where he actually has to be dame and his first ten years he's always been the headliner he's always been the star player on that team and now he's going to a team of former MVP NBA champion he's he's in a different type of water that he's never been in before and so he's trying to figure it out I think this team gets it right at the end of the day though Shoms I know I know you're always keeping your eye out your ears out it could we see moves from this team if things don't get back to wherever it is they want them to be they made their moves I mean they completed their assets they gave up the their draft picks they gave up their swaps I think from Milwaukee the talent is there like Chandler just said like you it's hard to have buyers remorse this early into the year because a lot of it is corrective a lot of it is is schemes a lot of it is Damien Lillard being more aggressive and being the guy that they wanted to be and kind of what Tyloo's doing with James Harden right now with the Clippers Yanis I think has tried to do that to the best of his ability in terms of saying this is Damien Lillard's team we want dame to be dame like they need him to be aggressive off-picking roles they need to be aggressive on offense and then from a defensive perspective they need to figure out how they can play because Drew Holiday was massive for them you know on the perimeter and who knows I mean clearly they didn't know that he would end up with Boston so again in that scenario if they knew 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tell you all the story behind that since you want to get on some gossip and shit so like I got uh I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to beat Jerry Millen shout out to Jayland I'm trying to beat jane bling for a star spot remember he just come off Linsanity the odds are against me once again right so I go to channel I channel hey man channel I guess channel dad was a chef so we make wordplay on that like yeah it's a new sheriff in town you know I had to shout out to shout out to big parsons too that's my big guy oh that's too good Pat let's talk about something serious here that your sixers they're off to an eight one start you guys haven't lost since opening day what's been the single reason in your opinion for your guys success early on I think uh instantly like knowing your role and y'all played on teams with me and y'all know me I'm the guy in the locker window go go get the roles established quick like now my boy that ain't you you don't do that you don't you don't work like how I reach the road you don't work how Joel worked like you know you got to provide something else you know it's it's a dinner table but in order for the food to be good you got to have nice chairs you got to have nice silverware you just can't be the the the turkey and the chicken now you got to be the fork you might have to be a spoon you might have to be a plate so you know we got our roles picked down real well and we take them very seriously and it makes the game that much easier well said and with that being said you are plus 58 coming off the bench which is the best in the NBA so shout out to you obviously it's my first time ever coming off the bench in my 11 year career I think people forget about that I don't be the ton of people out for starting jobs people that ain't playing basketball no more so I appreciate that thank you yeah and you guys are obviously doing this without James yeah we both play with James we know how close we are with James how was that whole process with you were you disappointed were you hype was it getting distracted like how did that shake out for you but you know like the hoopers at the table you know we naturally hoopers and we understand like a good team and a not good team so like with James we would have we would have been like we would have been stumping shit but without James we still would have been stumping shit it just might have been a little harder we might not have to go through the front door we might have to sneak through the window and what it's done you know it's different it's a hundred ways to skin a cat we just had to find our our our way and our way is you know defensively playing fast uh posting it uh making reads off that and it's been it's been a vibe it's been a vibe I feel like we lost in like two months Pat I for those of us who just are fans right we don't understand sometimes the behind the scenes the business of it all you know obviously if you're close to James and when he wants out how does that play into relationships do you try to convince him to stay like how how does that work out no so when I got to the team it was already a it was already conversation so you know uh so I kind of knew that coming in but when I seen him at training camp you know he looked in shape you look good you know I'm saying the energy was great you know I'm saying like his he was you know he was the you know same James he was he was good in practice he was coaching in practice so uh I didn't think you know I didn't look for anything different I was actually just excited to see you know be back on the on the team with you know an old friend of mine I mean there's a guy uh Dallas Mavericks you the guy the reporter the broadcaster knows he had a he had a rant the other night it went viral and when your friends with someone and they're the target of moments like this and I want to play a little bit of it and get your reaction on the other side hey James you're the problem if this doesn't work this year in this system with this team you're going to go back home and you're going to start swiping right for another team there's not going to be anybody left because James is not the beard you're not the system you're the problem I mean it's okay he practiced that in the mirror a couple of times it was delivered without any sort of stumbles or anything what you think uh first off right everyone's entitled to their opinion right and and and us as athletes like you know it started you know from the heckling fan and it started you know more on the instagram then it got awful on the twitter so like from a basketball player like we see this you know we see this and it's funny but one thing that the media don't understand is that you can say something like this and the team is playing bad and it might not be for a James Harden it might be for you know a mid-level guy a guy who you know earns 10 of 15 million dollars and you say something like that about him you talk about this can potentially make sure this guy's not in the NBA anymore you know so like I want I want to be aware of like the things that says throughout the media for basketball players is his opinion his opinion of course you know I'm saying the stats that the the facts that he brung up you can really look back and be like damn like he's absolutely right but that's his truth and it's you know it's always three troops is his it's the other guys and it's actually the truth so uh I think it's ballsy I like that he did it but you know do I agree with it as a as a player no but it comes with the territory you know we get a lot of money we're on the pedestal all the time and when you don't win and you don't you aren't successful and at a high level all the time compared to the greats you're going to get some of this kind of uh backlash and criticism patch you know we still got we still got brothers in that in that clippers locker room off to a slow start since since the hard and trade 0 and 4 there will be an awful regular season team they go be a dangerous playoff team because you know the playoffs are all about matchups but when it comes to offseason they go be they go be god awful because this is going to be like it's going to be it's going to be one person that's go be left out you know and what you see what you what you see is the issue though no it just it just camaraderie like they spend a lot of time with each other you know I'm saying and like you can't practice a lot because you practice a lot it now you got to worry about your health you know I'm saying throughout a long journey of a season you know it's hard when you get new guys from training camp you know I'm saying that they haven't been in training camp with you and don't know the plays and James not trying to step on nobody told you know what step backs and kawai go get his so it's going to be an odd man out they just got to pick who they want the odd man out to be and if y'all was watching my podcast I actually spoke about the subject to like inform everybody so y'all you know maybe y'all have a little bit more tasteful information while I'm on y'all show but we're on it's going to be an odd man out for sure and now Pat who who is that going to be we kind of argue all the time on this I think it's going to be Russ he thinks it may have to be James it's not it's not going to be core RPG so one of Russ or James have to come off the bench right now I wouldn't say technically come off the bench it's just somebody got to be cool of reading the game understand okay one of them got to come off the bench bro let's go be a seven to 11 type of game and I got to do other things like I might have to go in there I might have to be a defensive guy tonight you feel me like and in another game as pros we understand like it's you know we're doing all this to get to the playoffs when we get to the playoffs they're going to be one of the most dangerous teams because it's all about matchups so like they just have to weather the storm throughout the season I think that's you know now you see you see coaching you know now you get to see how good Talu Talu is and uh you know I'm excited to see it yeah now going back to your guys co-op at Joel obviously they're god awful right now god hot garbage yeah I'm saying and it's and it's it's unfortunate but these are the woes that you got to go through to become a successful team in order to you know I'm saying to ride your bike you got to fall in order to know how to rollerblades you got to fall in order to ski you got to fall so that's the falling point right now we said this to and they're also about a two or three game win streak from nobody talking about this anymore anyway so the winning solves everything which is what you guys are doing Joel MVP season Tyrese Maxi obviously is blowing up looking like the most improved player in the league and your opinion is this the best duo in the NBA or is this one of the way where do you rank those two guys because they are straight balling right now I mean it's you know we've been having a our schedule has been fortunate you know we play some good teams we play some young teams and you know also our schedule has been fortunate we've been you know we had some you know some some some home games um we're not even really like I think we like 40% of like our offense and like 40% of our defense like we like nursing really even like open it all up so like we still like you know we just made a trade obviously the James Harden trade we got you know Coventin and Batum and you know we were used to PJ Tucker through the whole training council like this is a this is a learning process for us also but uh I think when you have a monster like Joel and B and I and you know and Lou and channel y'all know when you get a young player like that and you just want to you know as me as being one of the veterans on the team you want to just this is how you do everything right so you can maximize all your opportunity you know and mix with he's in a gym first you know earlier than anybody else he's the last one to lead you know when you get that type of potent duo I think it uh it sets it sets up success instantly yeah and you've played with a lot of big greats Dwight Howard, Deondre Jordan, Rudy Gobert, Cap, AD, is Joel the best big you've ever played with? So when you play with bigs right and that's and that's your perspective you think the big at the time that you played with is great until you see another big it's true you know what I'm saying so like I thought Dwight Howard I've never seen anything like it until I seen you know Carl Anthony Towns you know I'm sending I seen Carl Anthony Towns I'm like man it's my fuck cold until I ran into Joel and B that man is different he's different it's different playing with him and playing against him you know he know how to like he and I don't think people understand his IQ and it's like his his his understanding for the game of basketball he's his his shit is at all time high respect for him respect him I like that also you play with Anthony Edwards another star the other night he was covered a week week week technical foul just staring down Dario Sarich do you agree with that do you think the refs are getting a little too loose with these with these whistles no that's perfect right you got to understand the game that the that the NBA and this media like to play it I think that's why I've been fortunate to be successful throughout you know this is kind of kind of media stint while I'm in NBA you stop a play like that you put highlight on the play right you keep that play going maybe it's too fast maybe Steph Curry comes down bangs the three right I don't even think the referees are ref it actually what's going on you stop that play you can you can put that play on instant replay twelve times before a play gets going on now you the more fans get to see the dunk over and over and over it's like an algorithm you know you just got to understand the symbols everything don't let that get over your head I know I'm giving y'all a free game but not I disagree with you though patch if if if you make a if you make a play like that I think you draw more fan you draw more fans in when you when you allow the guys to show emotion you allow that that element of the game back into it if we can keep it under control I granted some guys are gonna take it too far you know what I'm saying somebody gonna mess it up but you but you you talking to the the casual fan anyway you know I'm saying you cut you talking to the fan who don't think dream lines a good basketball player pad bales a good basketball player because of points so you can't you can't you can't feed that to them you got to feed the other stuff to them the catchy stuff the technical foul and oh yeah yeah you know you got to feed that to them because we're not dealing with real basketball fans a lot we're dealing with the casual ones so look since we talked since we're talking about fan celebrations and bringing it back you've championed the two small celebration right yeah is there one guy you still got on your head list that you trying to you trying to hit him with the two small hey Lou I ain't gonna lie if you came out of retirement I'm looking for you you know me but you know I got my first 40 point game against pad bed and you did you played well I didn't get a chance to tell you the way I need it but you know me I'm pulling that I'm pulling the too little on everybody I don't care I'm here to play basketball I'm here to have fun playing basketball I'm here to impact winning you'll be like I'm pulling it on everybody look I'm looking at you on the screen patch how are you so that's what I'm saying how can you advocate for them to stop play like that that's a distraction too so how you don't get a technical file for that I wish I would have how much money have you paid in fines and technical files in your career what they say something to like 700,000 I'm close to hey I'm sure you're gonna spend there some good places man good charity work yeah no it ain't NBA care it ain't it ain't it ain't it ain't it ain't but channel you feel I'm having my way right now man life is good I can't look at you got the vibe that I'm there man crossy got the big mr. nice watch I see what's going on that ain't going with my head you know life is this old this old thing life is good oh this little that bell pie cat come on I thought y'all had some folks I had some good questions for me let's talk about how we just we just wanted you all so we had a good time yeah I just wanted to hang out with us brother for a while Brian Pat I got something I got something all right give me a good one who is an all NBA type player that you kind of think is trash that you lock up every time and you can go old school or you can go new you can't count because the way I be feeling after the games I'm 35 years old the way I feel right now very different than I felt before so I ain't gonna go old school you know they be in a feelings anyway so I'm gonna go to old but I'm gonna go I'm gonna go new school I'm gonna go new school that I lock up that's that's enjoyable like I enjoy locking them up oh shit who we who we play I don't know I'm really good to touch that game a lot um I don't know man we got to do it again next time I'll play somebody I lock them up then I'll pick that guy you got to come back on patch before before you go let me let me ask you this you know we've played for a number of coaches different ones give me one coach and I'm gonna see if we agree on this give me one coach that you just absolutely don't agree with this dude don't know what he's talking about we want to go viral too patch okay okay but our relationship with him was different Lou who you feel me our relationship with doc was very different yeah I think I think I think you know like like doc used to have conversations that you know nobody on the team that we was having y'all probably had the same thing too I think you look at the doc situation you should be looking at the clippers ill frank situation yeah no we love that we love that we love that yeah I think the clipper situation you get it you give away your backbone you know that's why people need to understand what the heart and soul and I'm not talking about now I'm talking about how they got to now right you make the Chris Paul trade people clown but it really turns out to be a diamond in the rub you got me Montrez you got Lou will you got guys that's going to do whatever for your organization literally boost your organization so you're able to to attain kawaii Lenin and Paul George now what you don't do is the organizations with with you know people don't understand yet and they and there's some some organizations do they do understand you know the heat they understand what the culture is they and they and they and they pay the culture and they they take care of the culture but if you don't take care of the culture the domino effect is now if this team doesn't play now you talk about a potentially somebody in the upper office losing their job if we've been real all because you didn't want to you know you didn't want to uh this shit we we we ain't even the oil Lou you just didn't want to put no motherfucking um car washing fluid we the car washing fluid yeah and I'm saying that we're okay for being a car washing fluid but we understand what the engine oil is we understand who the gas is we understand that but you still imported the seat you need car washing the fluid they're going the windows so like they they they they mishandled that they misjudged that and now you're in a position like a guy or guys an organization might potentially lose their job or these guys might be traded channelers so lost on the analogy understand the words what is wrong with you my last question pat this in season tournament I still don't fully understand oh for the guys they're like an incentive for a guy like you to to just just motivate you at all just the 500 racks is that is that hell yeah what is that is that the that's so the money is the incentive on the just in this tournament no I don't think the money is all I think you know naturally hoopers regardless like I'll guarantee channel you go to a while right now and it's a great pickup game you go to take your game to another level regardless if you plan for money or not so I think they just getting the you know I'm saying I think them putting the you know the end season tournament in I think it's great for the fans it's a different court you know but the vibes out there it's real competitive we played Detroit they all they was on our ass you know I'm saying so like like it makes the game especially for young teams young teams or this is their championship it makes it makes the game much better you know why Detroit was on y'all ass hmm it was that 500k they got a lot of young boys on that team that's 500 gonna go a long way where that's like 500 500k in Vegas for Pat Bev go a long way you know how we do and I think it's coaching to I think coaching when you when you get to a team like that the Detroit's and you know the team that's not you know you know it's probably not gonna be in a playoff contention or might be in a plan I think this this shows your you know how good how prepared you are how good a coach and you are how you have your team ready I think it helps coaching to and coaching jobs Pat Beverly this has been I've just been thoroughly entertained it's the question honestly because I think it's better if they do it to be quite frank I just feel it's not true yeah it is I promise it's the the podcast the Pat Bev podcast subscribe and listen it's free for God's sake everybody subscribe and we speak about women's basketball we speak about women's basketball honestly you're women up here you're a woman up here and we're gonna get a woman always credit because we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the women so we speak WNBA they are underpaid they need to get more team the guy Clay Travis made something about a high school team WNBA team like no none of that so like all love to WNBA also yeah we'll edit that name out we don't even like to say it Pat uh we appreciate the time this was awesome and uh we'll be back with that man's got family rest up Kelly Ubrey too for sure for sure y'all didn't even ask about how my guy doing y'all something else on this show run it up they run it back run it back run it up run it back oh yes it is time and uh mr. Holmgren yoinks welcome to the league well said it that's the moment that's it huh just happened to be why a second year player which isn't dope what if it happens twice what does that mean no can that happen is that even possible it is that's in the same game well different guy yeah listen as a big as a big you're supposed to get dunked on yeah yeah even when you look like that well you more when you look like that this is more more so and boy what do you mean but what do you mean you people you don't even try it we already got in trouble with Pat Beverly I don't want to by the way for the record I don't even listen to my own podcast if we're being honest John Collins a semi-slam this is what he does semi-slam is funny come here oh and he gave my love choked him out and he choked him out hot oh speaking of who did what did you say Jaime Hacquez looks like he looks like a 70s born star nice breaks oh my oh who's that Jaime Hacquez UCLA from Camarillo shout out the shout out cousin Braden with the high school with me house yeah I'm sorry I'm not going Jaime Hacquez you can do it at me I mean it's good hair hey I like that was that even a push-off yeah he actually broke him off who is that oh that's my boy bogey no bogey that's all he just tripped y'all it's a complete side no there's two bugged on it but they're not related not related yeah just the very it's like John Smith it's a common name I guess Giannis breaking news Giannis gets kicked out for dunking on this guy because the referees are so weak yeah that was not my favorite moment that was nice hmm I feel like we're numb to him doing this though make shouldn't we be though who is the who is dude coming over who's 35 a guy just got dumped on oh oh that's fun do you think the nicks miss obi toppen no all right that was my question that's all I have for you no he is bouncy though I know there's moments all right I'm glad you brought up the technical on Giannis because there have been a few technicals that have been um sort of question marquee for people so Draymond we'll start there ejected after review of a play with Donovan Mitchell taking through this this is Saturday so the review if you look at it shows that he had committed a technical foul would have been a second on a prior play they were reviewing a foul by Mitchell and gave Draymond the tee for shoving him on the previous play it's such a weird way to do it uh come on Looney said he didn't think it was possible to actually get teed up for a previous play I didn't think you could either it's almost like statute of limitations Taylor but have you seen this I've never seen it no usually it's called right there on the spot yeah and obviously you know Donovan Mitchell got into it and that was a second tee and I think this is a situation where Draymond greens I know you could do that reputation and I think listen those refs are human beings they're probably just as sick of you know the chirping and the the arguments with him just it probably annoys them just as much as a fan so I I've never seen this happen where you kind of go back right hey want a technical foul but again this is this they're kind of used to this behavior from him so I think this is just a reputation thing that's I mean that's he just has a target at this point yes some guys have more leeway than others and so I think this is just on brand for Draymond anybody else I think this is they just move on yeah um the Anthony Edwards one first of all just love love it all but um he got called for a technical I hate this tee yeah I hate this tee this is not I mean come on that's not I don't get it's like the honest I don't think that's taunting maybe has to relax man they got to relax I understood at one point we had an image issue with so much trash talk so many guys talking about agrees after every single play but this is good basketball this is emotion this is what the fans pay to see they want to see your best athletes play above the rim play with emotion like they're having fun if you're taking the fun you can't criticize players for not caring about games then when they do you team up when they're showing emotion the NBA got to relax does that even consider is that a stare down no that was weak and the honest one we're about to show is even weaker and here's my problem with the NBA too you want to harp on players resting and all this load management stuff and it's not as good for the fan experience well neither is kicking out yonis and three minutes into the third quarter of a game in the second in the second half with so much basketball to be played up so you want to get on players for resting and not being able to be on the floor don't kick out the star players for doing things like this if that happens to be their second so that's his second second technical foul you got it he's tossed again no I get he's tossed from the game and now the little little Johnny that came to see him that we're protecting from load management now he doesn't get to see him play anyways because the guy can't show emotion after banging on somebody I never thought about it like that it's ridiculous clean it up you gotta clean it up you can't harp on load management but then kick out a player three minutes into the second half well she's obviously talking about yonis because yonis got booted in that game and then sat on the bench and then you know fun stuff came from that at least but I don't think anyone was in support of him the superstar getting kicked out this again he does that every time he does it I think they thought he was staring someone down but if you really watch the video from the other angle he's just looking into the air he's just showing emotion it's a great play they're going on a run here again it's three minutes into the second half and now 90% of this crowd came to see this guy play and he's no longer in the game and the rest of the game to me this is weak this is wack they can't do this you know what's funny he wasn't done celebrating he was giving them a two-speed he did he did the double pad he wasn't even done yet he still had more to say but NBA y'all gotta chill man let these guys show emotion let these guys be the best athletes in the world and let these fans have some fun too thank you they're performing let them perform yeah it's a performance that they paid a lot of money to see we'll be back after this well that was a show it happened it's over Pat Beverly matted all of us look you didn't even know this show was in progress I didn't we didn't know I did not know I don't I don't listen to podcasts I have one this Joe this Joe Rogan I hear all about never listen to one apparently that's a big one as well Lou threw us under the bus though so I'd like to just point that out as a teammate you want to talk about it I was running in the stampede I had to take care of Lou one time now we know now we know how it's going to go down if things get weird oh that does it for us we'll be back tomorrow